There are 36 teams and you can score max. 24 pts so that guarantees lots of ties in the table. This means every goal counts. If you're beating a random team 3-0, you have an incentive to widen the margin because goal difference might be the difference between 8th and 10th
Good point. Arguably this plays more into the concept of tanking and how it can unfairly skew outcomes, e.g. if a lower team realises it has little to fight for near the end, and a bigger team has a chance to obliterate them because their focus is e.g. back on the league, they’re going to have a big advantage over their rival who played that “minnow” earlier and had to fight harder for a lesser outcome. I guess you’re always going to have this potential but I’m glad they’ve given it a bit of a shake up. At least try it out. They just need to fix the offside now so that it has to be CLEAR AND OBVIOUS, “daylight”, and in favour of the attacking team. Also, it should ONLY be down to foot placement so attackers can be leaning forward sprinting and not worrying about shiz like armpits etc.
Yeah no this just isnt true tho. Has uefa paid u? I wouldnt be surprised to see less goals scored in these games than the old group stage cuz its just not gonna incentives team to score more. People and teams are more likely to say keep a clean sheet than to score more...
@@stevindieselhas to be the stupidest comment ever. Offside is offside, any part of the body that you can legally score with is just so logical. Offside is perfect rn doesn’t matter how many stupid people like you want to complain about something.
But it matters for what teams you face, if seeding is not done for pots, then teams may get tough teams from all 4 pots, so in that way teams need to be seeded accordingly to strength in pots
@@ayushmanbhan8258 its not about the what if without seeding. There is seeding, and for the first time ever that seeding is fair. Because you largely equal strength groups of fixtures for everyone. You're not screwed over for being in pot 4 compared to pot 1
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As a Villa fan I love this new format, its gives us a couple more extra games (to be ripped off for tho, those ticket prices are mental) What am I on about? Its our first time in this competition in 42 years, they could stage it in a car park and I would still love it. Just excited. UTV!
honestly this system is better for us. we get an extra 2 games garuanteed, theres less risk of getting completely fucked over by a handful of awful fixtures and we get the chance to play 8 different teams across europe. its not perfect, but i dont really see how its any worse than the old format. (also jesus christ the ticket prices are mental, especially considering how bad peoples finances are especially in brum these days) UTV
@@bigman8733 Better to stay home and watch the games from television, if they are so big greedy fuckers with the ticket prizes. The reason ticket prizes keep incresing is, because there are still pleanty of people out there that would by the seat to make the stadium nearly full, while the tickets cost that much.
Every football manager player has know about this for at least 3 years and is not 😊hard by this. You play 2 teams from each pot, 1 home and 1 away. It’s just 2 more games and nobody drops down a competition anymore. Puts more respect on lower comps
But then you also have games in January, so there’s no rest really, whereas there were no UCL etc., games in January, on top of the playoff. The playoff in the UEL and UECL may be fine for teams which are likely to be in leagues with 18 or less teams, but when some of the teams in Italy, England, and Spain will fall into it, having 4 extra games when you already play 4 more league games than your French and German counterparts
Having played this format a fair bit in FM this season, its OK. The spread of fixtures is fair, and because there's only 8 games, the league is usually still tight enough that there's some jeopardy in the final match days, be it to make the top 8 (and ease up your fixture congestion) or the top 24 and make the playoffs. Everybody gets more games and more money, so in theory everyone is happy. Apart from the clubs who don't qualify, of course.
For me this is much more exciting kind of table, because its much harder to predict how the table will go with 36 clubs in same league, than having four clubs in same group and you know who are the good clubs and the bad clubs on who is most likely to get through.
I dont think that the seeded playoff plays out like you suggest. It’s not like the best teams are going to perfectly align themselves in the table from results, there will be lower seeds that are massive clubs
Final day of the league stage will be absolutely mental. With with how easily you can drop from from top 8 to mid and mid to bottom 8. Small teams will want the playoffs for extra money. Big teams will want to avoid the extra games.
I think the biggest problem is the drop-off in quality in the Europa and Conference league. Not only do the extra spots mean they lose their best teams at the start of the competition, but there won't be any teams from the higher competition joining in the knock-out stages either. Which works to seperate the competitions more, but the drop-off in quality is huge as a result. Instead of the knock-out phase featuring the #17th-24th and #33rd-48th best teams it will now feature the #37th-60th best teams.
I like the improvement in quality of fixtures and variety, but two major gripes are the the increase to 8-10 games in the group stages with players already at breaking point in terms of load and not playing home and away against the same side makes the draw less fair. Lets be honest its a money grab at the end of the day.
No player or manager will complain about added games in CL.. They will complain about the league cup and dead comps like nation league during international break..
What it guarantees is a lot of teams not really trying after the halfway point if they know they have enough points to avoid the bottom 8 but not enough to make the top 8.
As they said, theres lots of money just for winning a game so some teams wont give up, there also isnt really enough of a divide in 8 games to give up half way through
5:20 - I think the 16-team playoff round will actually extend the drama and "jeopardy", and make sure there's a lot more cutoff points spread throughout the table where a lot more drama can happen What I mean is, if they were to just divide the table between the top half and the bottom half, then, for example, teams at the very top can qualify very early since they would have 16 teams between them and the drop zone, which wouldn't be very threatening. But by dividing the table into smaller chunks, it makes it more competitive between the teams trying to fight for only 8 qualification spots, and so on And it means you'll have some teams fighting to avoid the drop zone, other teams trying to escape the playoff zones, and other teams fighting for the top 8 spots, instead of just one cutoff points
1:09 The guy on cam is wrong. It’s literally mentioned and even visible in the graphics at the start. You play one team at home and one team away from each pot.
bro said objectively, then immediately said in my opinion. and still gets upvoted. shows the average intelligence of the youtube audience. like are you actually serious lmao funniest sentence ive ever seen. "objectively, ... in my opinion" im acutally fucking crying
How can you physically start a sentence with objectively and end the same sentence and statement with "in my opinion" and still get majority thumbs up LMAO
@@adamsheppard2451 Saying objectively was more of a dig at the guy that said it in the video. I should have probably used a question mark after that word.
On the point at 17:00, i still think a team like Celtic would take ANY game seriously, even if they couldn't get through because the prize money is €700,000 per point. 2.1m for a win. Why wouldn't they go full strength?
Every day of the CL fixtures has an absolute banger, this will be amazing to watch and when people start to realise it goes: MD1 17 Sept: Liverpool vs AC Milan (All time legacy game) 18 Sept: City vs Leverkusen (Manager mahem) 19 Sept: Atalanta vs Arsenal MD2 1 Oct: Leverkusen vs Milan & Arsenal vs PSG 2 Oct: Villa vs Real Madrid MD3 22 Oct: Dortmund vs Real Madrid (Last year final) 23 Oct: Barca VS Bayern (Lamine v Jamal) MD4 5th Nov: Liverpoool vs Leverkusen (Alonso what could have been) & Madrid vs Milan (European heritage) 6th Nov: PSG vs Athletico MD5 26 Nov: Bayern vs PSG (Covid final rematch) 27 Nov: Liverpool vs Madrid MD6 10 Dec: Leverkusen v Inter & Atalanta v Madrid 11 Dec: Dortmund v Barca & Juve v City MD7 21 Jan: Atletico v Leverkusen 22 Jan: PSG v Man City (Money Derby) MD8 PSV vs Liverpool (Slots) Arguably the weekend week But the point is that for the average viewer of football, every single day of CL mathcdays will have a banger after banger. Not even including all the incredible matchups for the smaller teams to go against one another to gain points where they would otherwise be grouped. This format will be a pleasant surprise in my opinion.
idk how I feel bout this new tournament style like on the one hand I can see the improvements, and there is certainly tangible benifts but on the otherhand, those random moments of a big team's disasterclass getting knocked out is just poofed like last season, Man United finished 4th in a group that had Galatasaray and fckn FC Copenhagen, now with this format, Man U wouldn't have that kind of diasasterclass, because it'd have to be a disasterclass of biblical proportions for a big team to get knocked out then the players playing more matches thing is a huge issue, and it seems that no governing board wants to address is cause it hurts their bottom line I'm very much in the wait and see camp, it could be good, could be shit, but as of right now I just don't have enough information to make a final decision
I know right - they don’t even realise that sometimes FM gets it wrong. When FM moved the World Cup to winter that was chaos and I’ve no idea why FIFA copied it.
I get all the negatives, even more game congestion and the pots being decided by nonsense Uefa rankings rather than success in the previous season are the big 2 for me. But we're getting the big teams playing each other more often and earlier plus no teams dropping to Europa should've always been a thing, getting rewarded for not being good enough was dumb.
Less jeopardy and more dead rubbers. Will probably end up avoiding the league stage and watching championship games instead. Going straight to knockouts would be much better but it makes UEFA less money.
On the contrary, having a top 8 that get to skip a round, and a bottom 12 getting knocked out, means it's likely almost every single game will have at least 1 of the teams fighting for something
If Football Manager is anything to go by, 9-10 points will probably be enough to make the playoffs and 16-17 points will probably be enough for the top 8
Newcastle last season gets through to the knockouts if this system was introduced a year ago and yet UEFA only introduced this system to adhere to the "Big Clubs" because clubs like Newcastle have become a threat. Honestly man, it is frustrating.
Going off football manager experience. You'll need a minimum of 8 points to stand a chance of going through, but I've seen a couple seasons with teams getting eliminated on 10 points. So I'd say 3 wins and you should scrape through
Also I don't think seeding will go ad you're expecting. Again judging off my experience in FM, the seeding is simply done by 2 groups. Whether that the play off or the R16, there will be the 1st seed and second seed, then randomised from there. (This is of course if FM has had the rulings spot on)
I think the thing I don't like with there now being 8 games in the league is that it's still a round of 16 after. Soo many managers and players complain about fixture congestion yet you're adding 2 more games into the group stage and not removing it from the knockouts? I'd rather see 6 games then a R16 or 8 games into QF personally. I also hate the whole "lucky loser" system where 8 go through then there's a second round of knockouts for the remaining 8. Feels like you're rewarding teams for doing just enough rather than rewarding the teams for actually doing well, let alone if one of those teams finishes say 22nd but goes on to win the competition, would feel levels of undeserved because of how poorly they did in the league stage.
From my fm knowledge teams won’t rank as they stand to gain £2-3m from winning each single game in the champions league which will be massive to the “lower” teams
It is actually fairer this way! Normally the top 2 seeds automatically are expected to qualify. With the new format this can be a very difficult situation for some big teams who actually need to beat the teams around them to progress
The seeded system doesn’t seem as bad to me, it incentivizes going for it a bit more in some of the “less important” games and if a team underperforms the league stage they’ll have a tougher route to the final. Only two teams can be the top two seeds so a lot of other big teams are going to be mixed in around the middle portion so I don’t think it’ll feel all that different
There's too many games already. As a Liverpool fan I much prefer CL games to any other but we are already seeing players picking up injuries because of these stupid international breaks. Piling on even more games makes it worse.
The 1999-2003 format was the real champions league ,with two group stages,and it would be better if there was a final four in one city ,which sets free playing dates,the new format is more quantity,less quality,its the bookmakers triumph
You'd want one of the easier pot 1 teams away because your more likely to beat them away than the likes of the better teams at their place and you'd want a better team at home because you stand a better chance at home
I dont mind the new format but i think 9-24 is a bit too much. Why not just top 16 and be done with it. Be interested to see this season how many of the top 16 end up as final 16. Kind of like the Euros 3rd place teams going through.
If you just do it such that the top 16 move on immediately, we'll still have the initial problem whereby top teams can qualify very early if they accumulate enough points between themselves and 16th place. But by limiting automatic qualification to 8 teams, it makes it more competitive, and ensures more late drama In the same way, splitting the bottom of the table into smaller chunks (like between the playoff and immediate dropzone), it also adds more areas where you can have more competition for places
They might as well rename it to the Super League, since that's basically what it is when you're allowing teams that finished fifth in an eighteen-team division to be a part of it. When the Champions League began, it was only for the actual champions and you only had eight teams that qualified for the group stage, of which only the top team from each group advanced, which made it feel like every game really meant something. Under this new format, we'll see far more matches that won't mean anything towards the end of the league stage, especially among the bottom teams that will be knocked out long before we reach that eighth game day and the mid-table teams, who already know by then that they won't reach the top eight or drop down into the bottom twelve. One thing that I like about it though, is that once you reach the league stage, when you're out, you're out and there won't be any chance to continue on in a "Lower Tournament". That part never really sat right with me.
Im flabbergasted that there is a single person in the comments liking the format. It is nothing but Uefas concession to the big clubs so they have it easier. Lets erase surprises, randomness and small club runs from football forever! Why watch football then anyway?😢
You guys need to play Football Manager. We've had this in the game for ages. 2 teams from each pot, you play 1 team from each pot at home and 1 team from each pot away. Generally 11 points is enough to qualify for the Knockout Spots 9-24. The lowest points total i've ever seen make the knockout rounds is 9 and they did so on Goal Difference. And it's generally 16 points is enough to make the 1-8 slots that get a bye. I think 15 points is the lowest i've seen make it. I love this system, it's way better than the old group stage. Football Manager players have been waiting for this to go live for 3 years.
Retched pathetic like begging, grow up and get off this app. This is not serious just thought it was funny seeing the other guy get mad at liking cats lmao
I want the CL to be elitist. Isn’t it what it is about? Seeing the best teams go head to head. I would much prefer to watch Madrid-Bayern rather than Madrid-Girona.
Okay, but Girona earned their place by finishing 3rd. It should be a meritocracy not “elitist”. What it’s about is the best performing teams in Europe of the previous season compete against one another. It’s not about what you’d prefer to watch, this is literally the thought process of the super league, the teams who draw the most tv revenue earn a spot.
@@1whippple1 I am not saying that teams should be put at a disadvantge. BUT I am in favour of the seeding because it will most probably mean that by the QF the smaller clubs are gone and the teams that played the best in the league playing those that qualified lowest also seems fair. As a fan it just excites me more to see the biggest teams go head to head rather than an underdog story in the ucl becuase thats what it is about from my perspective.
@@ID-ce1in For me seeing game like Girona Bayern is more exciting in the regard that the clubs have never faced against each other, when Bayern and Real Madrid have faced against each other multiple times. Still the best clubs go through to knock-out stages and forward there, so in semi-final you would anyway propably see a game between Real Madrid and Bayern Munchen, so whats the point to see it three times, when knock-out stage they already play against each other twice. This format gives smaller clubs also more chance to get through, when they wont be doomed ending up in group of death like before and its more intresting to follow this format on where clubs end up after the league is finished, than follow the group stage format that is very boring to follow and where you already know before it starts which two big clubs will go through and which two smaller clubs wont go through.
@@Jout8-re1ij I think it gives bigger teams more chance of qualifying. But we will see. My opinion is that generally I prefer to see the biggest teams play each other. I won’t watch Madrid feynoord personally but I would be excited for Madrid city. To me those Liverpool barca games are what makes the champions league. Not smaller teams going far. I can appreciate an underdog once a decade but if small teams get far often the competition would lose its stature. I like the new format because we see more big team games early on and more big teams are likely to progress due to the play offs and seeding in the later rounds. If you want see smaller teams go far in Europe that what the conference league is for
In few years time expect EUFA to change the qualification rules. The national league winners will qualify for Champion League then all other teams will simply qualify to play in a EUFA competition. What competition a teams playing will be based on their EUFA coefficient, but still with limits on number of teams from a single country allowed in each competition. That way the big teams are more likely to keep qualifying and EUFA can maximize the money the competition makes.
Here's an idea to make the tables in any league more interesting (and scary) Just change the points system. Two points for a win, one each for a draw, and minus one for a defeat. Make a loss come with a loss. Make losing mean something as much as winning, and maybe we'll produce more winners.
Congrats, you just made drawing significantly more appealing. Why do you think they switched from 2 for a win and 1 for a draw? Too many teams settled for a draw. Now if you are drawing, its 1 point, if you push for a win its to gain 1 point but the risk is losing 2. Its not remotely worth it.
There's absolutely nothing fair about a league system where teams are ranked together but don't all play each other or the same opponents, and nobody is ever going to be able to convince me otherwise. It's an absolutely shocking format, and whoever came up with it needs to be removed from football immediately.
I'm not sure there's a single perfectly "fair" way to format a knockout tournament. And this format is actually a lot more balanced and fair than the previous group stage system
I let you then stay ignorant. If your club is very good. It would beat any club that comes towards it, so this seems more fair with random opponents, than ending up in group of death like many smaller clubs in previous years have ended up in. This format seems to give smaller clubs much better chance at going through, because the game is not already over ending up in group of death like in previous years it has been. Thats why Aston Villa is already leading the Champions League as only club that has won all their three games. This is also much more intresting to watch, when clubs can compare themselves to other big european clubs on who is better by how much points you got, instead of it being a boring group stage once again where you preatty much know before it even starts who goes through and who dosent. Here its much more difficult to predict what place will a club finish in the Champions League and that makes it much more exciting to watch. For me its preatty fair, when you play against random eight other clubs from the league and, if it wasent thoese eight clubs you play against. It would be other eight clubs around the same level and good football club can prove that they can beat any other football club out there to show how they are the best indeed and 24 clubs get through this time, so you can have your moment of unluckiness, but still get through and a lot of smaller clubs are gonna get through this time, when they dont need to suffer in group of death like in previous years they had.
100% it’s the new super league and fans don’t get a say in the matter, there was nothing wrong with the old format why does everything need to be changed? Leave our beautiful game alone!!
There are 36 teams and you can score max. 24 pts so that guarantees lots of ties in the table. This means every goal counts. If you're beating a random team 3-0, you have an incentive to widen the margin because goal difference might be the difference between 8th and 10th
from my football manager experience with this system, ±18pts is guaranteed top 8
Good point. Arguably this plays more into the concept of tanking and how it can unfairly skew outcomes, e.g. if a lower team realises it has little to fight for near the end, and a bigger team has a chance to obliterate them because their focus is e.g. back on the league, they’re going to have a big advantage over their rival who played that “minnow” earlier and had to fight harder for a lesser outcome. I guess you’re always going to have this potential but I’m glad they’ve given it a bit of a shake up. At least try it out.
They just need to fix the offside now so that it has to be CLEAR AND OBVIOUS, “daylight”, and in favour of the attacking team. Also, it should ONLY be down to foot placement so attackers can be leaning forward sprinting and not worrying about shiz like armpits etc.
Yeah no this just isnt true tho. Has uefa paid u? I wouldnt be surprised to see less goals scored in these games than the old group stage cuz its just not gonna incentives team to score more. People and teams are more likely to say keep a clean sheet than to score more...
Half the teams will have between 12 and 16 points
@@stevindieselhas to be the stupidest comment ever. Offside is offside, any part of the body that you can legally score with is just so logical. Offside is perfect rn doesn’t matter how many stupid people like you want to complain about something.
One benefit is the seeding is almost irrelevant. Whether you're in Pot 4 or Pot 1, you still face 2 teams from each pot.
But it matters for what teams you face, if seeding is not done for pots, then teams may get tough teams from all 4 pots, so in that way teams need to be seeded accordingly to strength in pots
@@ayushmanbhan8258 its not about the what if without seeding. There is seeding, and for the first time ever that seeding is fair. Because you largely equal strength groups of fixtures for everyone. You're not screwed over for being in pot 4 compared to pot 1
@@chuckdavie oh yes it is good, I thought in 1st comment you were saying there is no point in seeding, now I got what you were saying
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As a Villa fan I love this new format, its gives us a couple more extra games (to be ripped off for tho, those ticket prices are mental) What am I on about? Its our first time in this competition in 42 years, they could stage it in a car park and I would still love it. Just excited. UTV!
Honestly man, my jaw dropped when I saw ticket prices but fuck it at the same time lol
You'll soon see how corrupt it all is
honestly this system is better for us. we get an extra 2 games garuanteed, theres less risk of getting completely fucked over by a handful of awful fixtures and we get the chance to play 8 different teams across europe. its not perfect, but i dont really see how its any worse than the old format. (also jesus christ the ticket prices are mental, especially considering how bad peoples finances are especially in brum these days) UTV
would u really watch jhon duran wham one in in ur car park though
@@bigman8733
Better to stay home and watch the games from television, if they are so big greedy fuckers with the ticket prizes. The reason ticket prizes keep incresing is, because there are still pleanty of people out there that would by the seat to make the stadium nearly full, while the tickets cost that much.
Every football manager player has know about this for at least 3 years and is not 😊hard by this. You play 2 teams from each pot, 1 home and 1 away. It’s just 2 more games and nobody drops down a competition anymore. Puts more respect on lower comps
I'm so glad I've been playing this in fm for the last few years. Makes it soo much easier to understand 😂😂
But then you also have games in January, so there’s no rest really, whereas there were no UCL etc., games in January, on top of the playoff. The playoff in the UEL and UECL may be fine for teams which are likely to be in leagues with 18 or less teams, but when some of the teams in Italy, England, and Spain will fall into it, having 4 extra games when you already play 4 more league games than your French and German counterparts
@@PhilliesNostalgia win your group games and you won’t have this issue
@@Carlt0nBankz Dont ruin the competition with a stupid new format and we wont have this issue.
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Having played this format a fair bit in FM this season, its OK. The spread of fixtures is fair, and because there's only 8 games, the league is usually still tight enough that there's some jeopardy in the final match days, be it to make the top 8 (and ease up your fixture congestion) or the top 24 and make the playoffs.
Everybody gets more games and more money, so in theory everyone is happy.
Apart from the clubs who don't qualify, of course.
1:24 Hot take. When has a draw not been important......
For me this is much more exciting kind of table, because its much harder to predict how the table will go with 36 clubs in same league, than having four clubs in same group and you know who are the good clubs and the bad clubs on who is most likely to get through.
I dont think that the seeded playoff plays out like you suggest. It’s not like the best teams are going to perfectly align themselves in the table from results, there will be lower seeds that are massive clubs
Final day of the league stage will be absolutely mental. With with how easily you can drop from from top 8 to mid and mid to bottom 8. Small teams will want the playoffs for extra money. Big teams will want to avoid the extra games.
Exactly. That way it could be more entertaining
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me when i watch goodfellas
I think the biggest problem is the drop-off in quality in the Europa and Conference league.
Not only do the extra spots mean they lose their best teams at the start of the competition, but there won't be any teams from the higher competition joining in the knock-out stages either.
Which works to seperate the competitions more, but the drop-off in quality is huge as a result.
Instead of the knock-out phase featuring the #17th-24th and #33rd-48th best teams it will now feature the #37th-60th best teams.
I like the improvement in quality of fixtures and variety, but two major gripes are the the increase to 8-10 games in the group stages with players already at breaking point in terms of load and not playing home and away against the same side makes the draw less fair. Lets be honest its a money grab at the end of the day.
No player or manager will complain about added games in CL.. They will complain about the league cup and dead comps like nation league during international break..
What it guarantees is a lot of teams not really trying after the halfway point if they know they have enough points to avoid the bottom 8 but not enough to make the top 8.
As they said, theres lots of money just for winning a game so some teams wont give up, there also isnt really enough of a divide in 8 games to give up half way through
I've pooed myself again, this can't keep happening Jim.
Seriously mate if you play lots of fm, not sure you are the best expert on exciting.
James and Jack to great football pundits
5:20 - I think the 16-team playoff round will actually extend the drama and "jeopardy", and make sure there's a lot more cutoff points spread throughout the table where a lot more drama can happen
What I mean is, if they were to just divide the table between the top half and the bottom half, then, for example, teams at the very top can qualify very early since they would have 16 teams between them and the drop zone, which wouldn't be very threatening. But by dividing the table into smaller chunks, it makes it more competitive between the teams trying to fight for only 8 qualification spots, and so on
And it means you'll have some teams fighting to avoid the drop zone, other teams trying to escape the playoff zones, and other teams fighting for the top 8 spots, instead of just one cutoff points
1:09 The guy on cam is wrong. It’s literally mentioned and even visible in the graphics at the start. You play one team at home and one team away from each pot.
Objectivly, the 3rd team going through in the euros groups was an awful decision in my opinion. It made the group stage worthless.
bro said objectively, then immediately said in my opinion. and still gets upvoted. shows the average intelligence of the youtube audience. like are you actually serious lmao funniest sentence ive ever seen. "objectively, ... in my opinion" im acutally fucking crying
How can you physically start a sentence with objectively and end the same sentence and statement with "in my opinion" and still get majority thumbs up LMAO
@@adamsheppard2451 Saying objectively was more of a dig at the guy that said it in the video. I should have probably used a question mark after that word.
@@adamsheppard2451 Your autism is showing.
@@SuperJJParker yeah idk about that one chief
On the point at 17:00, i still think a team like Celtic would take ANY game seriously, even if they couldn't get through because the prize money is €700,000 per point. 2.1m for a win. Why wouldn't they go full strength?
Every day of the CL fixtures has an absolute banger, this will be amazing to watch and when people start to realise it goes:
MD1
17 Sept: Liverpool vs AC Milan (All time legacy game)
18 Sept: City vs Leverkusen (Manager mahem)
19 Sept: Atalanta vs Arsenal
MD2
1 Oct: Leverkusen vs Milan & Arsenal vs PSG
2 Oct: Villa vs Real Madrid
MD3
22 Oct: Dortmund vs Real Madrid (Last year final)
23 Oct: Barca VS Bayern (Lamine v Jamal)
MD4
5th Nov: Liverpoool vs Leverkusen (Alonso what could have been) & Madrid vs Milan (European heritage)
6th Nov: PSG vs Athletico
MD5
26 Nov: Bayern vs PSG (Covid final rematch)
27 Nov: Liverpool vs Madrid
MD6
10 Dec: Leverkusen v Inter & Atalanta v Madrid
11 Dec: Dortmund v Barca & Juve v City
MD7
21 Jan: Atletico v Leverkusen
22 Jan: PSG v Man City (Money Derby)
MD8
PSV vs Liverpool (Slots)
Arguably the weekend week
But the point is that for the average viewer of football, every single day of CL mathcdays will have a banger after banger. Not even including all the incredible matchups for the smaller teams to go against one another to gain points where they would otherwise be grouped.
This format will be a pleasant surprise in my opinion.
Villa play Bayern on 2nd Oct not Real Madrid.
idk how I feel bout this new tournament style
like on the one hand I can see the improvements, and there is certainly tangible benifts
but on the otherhand, those random moments of a big team's disasterclass getting knocked out is just poofed
like last season, Man United finished 4th in a group that had Galatasaray and fckn FC Copenhagen, now with this format, Man U wouldn't have that kind of diasasterclass, because it'd have to be a disasterclass of biblical proportions for a big team to get knocked out
then the players playing more matches thing is a huge issue, and it seems that no governing board wants to address is cause it hurts their bottom line
I'm very much in the wait and see camp, it could be good, could be shit, but as of right now I just don't have enough information to make a final decision
Can't believe they copied FM with this...
I know right - they don’t even realise that sometimes FM gets it wrong. When FM moved the World Cup to winter that was chaos and I’ve no idea why FIFA copied it.
I get all the negatives, even more game congestion and the pots being decided by nonsense Uefa rankings rather than success in the previous season are the big 2 for me. But we're getting the big teams playing each other more often and earlier plus no teams dropping to Europa should've always been a thing, getting rewarded for not being good enough was dumb.
As an avid FM player I do really enjoy the new format it really grew on me as I played through 😂😂😂
Why is it better to see the biggest face each other!!!??? Seriously, what a stupid question....
The number of injuries this year will be insane.
I like the intimacy of the old group stage, but I do think this group is a lot more fair and exciting.
Less jeopardy and more dead rubbers. Will probably end up avoiding the league stage and watching championship games instead.
Going straight to knockouts would be much better but it makes UEFA less money.
On the contrary, having a top 8 that get to skip a round, and a bottom 12 getting knocked out, means it's likely almost every single game will have at least 1 of the teams fighting for something
@@BBrownyyas well as the seedings for the knockouts determined by the league results. Every goal in every game means something. Much more exciting.
If Football Manager is anything to go by, 9-10 points will probably be enough to make the playoffs and 16-17 points will probably be enough for the top 8
On the surface of it, I like more games, but I'm worried about the players, and injuries. The schedule is already so full.
What’s beneficial about being in pot 1 if you’re inevitably going to draw the equivalent amount of teams per pot?
I think that’s the point teams shouldn’t gain an advantage just because they did well the season before
17:20 For context, Celtic get more money for a win and a draw in the cl group stage than they do for winning a full league title in Scotland.
Newcastle last season gets through to the knockouts if this system was introduced a year ago and yet UEFA only introduced this system to adhere to the "Big Clubs" because clubs like Newcastle have become a threat. Honestly man, it is frustrating.
How does it adhere the big clubs if Newcastle would have gone through with it? Isn't it exactly the opposite?
I was also skeptical at first, but after considering it, I think the new format will actually be more exciting
You need a he seeing so that mid table teams don’t throw away possible victories
Going off football manager experience. You'll need a minimum of 8 points to stand a chance of going through, but I've seen a couple seasons with teams getting eliminated on 10 points. So I'd say 3 wins and you should scrape through
Also I don't think seeding will go ad you're expecting. Again judging off my experience in FM, the seeding is simply done by 2 groups. Whether that the play off or the R16, there will be the 1st seed and second seed, then randomised from there. (This is of course if FM has had the rulings spot on)
I like the new format, still no idea how it works
I think the thing I don't like with there now being 8 games in the league is that it's still a round of 16 after. Soo many managers and players complain about fixture congestion yet you're adding 2 more games into the group stage and not removing it from the knockouts? I'd rather see 6 games then a R16 or 8 games into QF personally.
I also hate the whole "lucky loser" system where 8 go through then there's a second round of knockouts for the remaining 8. Feels like you're rewarding teams for doing just enough rather than rewarding the teams for actually doing well, let alone if one of those teams finishes say 22nd but goes on to win the competition, would feel levels of undeserved because of how poorly they did in the league stage.
Those playoffs WILL have a few upsets with that amount of games. That's a good thing.
From my fm knowledge teams won’t rank as they stand to gain £2-3m from winning each single game in the champions league which will be massive to the “lower” teams
It is actually fairer this way! Normally the top 2 seeds automatically are expected to qualify. With the new format this can be a very difficult situation for some big teams who actually need to beat the teams around them to progress
The seeded system doesn’t seem as bad to me, it incentivizes going for it a bit more in some of the “less important” games and if a team underperforms the league stage they’ll have a tougher route to the final. Only two teams can be the top two seeds so a lot of other big teams are going to be mixed in around the middle portion so I don’t think it’ll feel all that different
New format is fire 🔥 .... love it
This is old. Jim has hair here, it’s a reupload
There's too many games already. As a Liverpool fan I much prefer CL games to any other but we are already seeing players picking up injuries because of these stupid international breaks. Piling on even more games makes it worse.
The 1999-2003 format was the real champions league ,with two group stages,and it would be better if there was a final four in one city ,which sets free playing dates,the new format is more quantity,less quality,its the bookmakers triumph
You'd want one of the easier pot 1 teams away because your more likely to beat them away than the likes of the better teams at their place and you'd want a better team at home because you stand a better chance at home
Just look at TNS - First ever Welsh Premiership team to reach the main stages of European leagues
The 3rd place euros team going through doesn’t feel great to me. Made the group stage very dull as everyone was happy with draws
I don't see any problem with this other than 2 more games. I don't think it requires a 21 minute discussion.
I'll give this format 2 seasons
Some one dreamed this format while high on drugs
Henry is the goat
everyone was up in arms and crying when they changed the format in 92’, it’ll be fine and in a year everyone will have forgotten how it was before
Per Mertesaker has a good English accent
Is this a repost?? A bit odd talking about this AFTER the actual draw...
Jim usually posts YT clips of his podcast a couple weeks after they air on podcast channels
I dont mind the new format but i think 9-24 is a bit too much. Why not just top 16 and be done with it.
Be interested to see this season how many of the top 16 end up as final 16. Kind of like the Euros 3rd place teams going through.
If you just do it such that the top 16 move on immediately, we'll still have the initial problem whereby top teams can qualify very early if they accumulate enough points between themselves and 16th place. But by limiting automatic qualification to 8 teams, it makes it more competitive, and ensures more late drama
In the same way, splitting the bottom of the table into smaller chunks (like between the playoff and immediate dropzone), it also adds more areas where you can have more competition for places
It wasn't a response to the superleague. This format was signed off before the superleague was announced.
Share a source if you can
Nah, Uefa decided to change in April 21. Super League was proposed in April 21. New CL was announced May 22
How does multiclub affect this, cough, Man City, Girona, cough
Henry “the goat” hill
Was this like 2 months ago?
They might as well rename it to the Super League, since that's basically what it is when you're allowing teams that finished fifth in an eighteen-team division to be a part of it. When the Champions League began, it was only for the actual champions and you only had eight teams that qualified for the group stage, of which only the top team from each group advanced, which made it feel like every game really meant something. Under this new format, we'll see far more matches that won't mean anything towards the end of the league stage, especially among the bottom teams that will be knocked out long before we reach that eighth game day and the mid-table teams, who already know by then that they won't reach the top eight or drop down into the bottom twelve. One thing that I like about it though, is that once you reach the league stage, when you're out, you're out and there won't be any chance to continue on in a "Lower Tournament". That part never really sat right with me.
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Im flabbergasted that there is a single person in the comments liking the format. It is nothing but Uefas concession to the big clubs so they have it easier. Lets erase surprises, randomness and small club runs from football forever! Why watch football then anyway?😢
You guys need to play Football Manager. We've had this in the game for ages.
2 teams from each pot, you play 1 team from each pot at home and 1 team from each pot away.
Generally 11 points is enough to qualify for the Knockout Spots 9-24. The lowest points total i've ever seen make the knockout rounds is 9 and they did so on Goal Difference.
And it's generally 16 points is enough to make the 1-8 slots that get a bye. I think 15 points is the lowest i've seen make it.
I love this system, it's way better than the old group stage. Football Manager players have been waiting for this to go live for 3 years.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!
To be fair, 6 points was enough in the og format
Aren't kittens pretty swell
Is this the shit people post for likes now?
@@colincolin5696 it's just a bit of fun mate, lighten up.
Retched pathetic like begging, grow up and get off this app.
This is not serious just thought it was funny seeing the other guy get mad at liking cats lmao
Why are you in a Scotland shirt?
I’m boycotting it simple as that 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
8 games is far too many, already too many fixtures, simple as
That shirt is horrendous James 🤮 😂
Tbf, it’s better than playing an obscure team home & away in the group stage.
I want the CL to be elitist. Isn’t it what it is about? Seeing the best teams go head to head. I would much prefer to watch Madrid-Bayern rather than Madrid-Girona.
Okay, but Girona earned their place by finishing 3rd. It should be a meritocracy not “elitist”. What it’s about is the best performing teams in Europe of the previous season compete against one another. It’s not about what you’d prefer to watch, this is literally the thought process of the super league, the teams who draw the most tv revenue earn a spot.
@@1whippple1 I am not saying that teams should be put at a disadvantge. BUT I am in favour of the seeding because it will most probably mean that by the QF the smaller clubs are gone and the teams that played the best in the league playing those that qualified lowest also seems fair. As a fan it just excites me more to see the biggest teams go head to head rather than an underdog story in the ucl becuase thats what it is about from my perspective.
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For me seeing game like Girona Bayern is more exciting in the regard that the clubs have never faced against each other, when Bayern and Real Madrid have faced against each other multiple times. Still the best clubs go through to knock-out stages and forward there, so in semi-final you would anyway propably see a game between Real Madrid and Bayern Munchen, so whats the point to see it three times, when knock-out stage they already play against each other twice. This format gives smaller clubs also more chance to get through, when they wont be doomed ending up in group of death like before and its more intresting to follow this format on where clubs end up after the league is finished, than follow the group stage format that is very boring to follow and where you already know before it starts which two big clubs will go through and which two smaller clubs wont go through.
@@Jout8-re1ij I think it gives bigger teams more chance of qualifying. But we will see. My opinion is that generally I prefer to see the biggest teams play each other. I won’t watch Madrid feynoord personally but I would be excited for Madrid city. To me those Liverpool barca games are what makes the champions league. Not smaller teams going far. I can appreciate an underdog once a decade but if small teams get far often the competition would lose its stature. I like the new format because we see more big team games early on and more big teams are likely to progress due to the play offs and seeding in the later rounds. If you want see smaller teams go far in Europe that what the conference league is for
So the traitor teams that tried to destroy European football are being rewarded instead of punished. Very cool, very fair.
Football has been placating the whims of the big teams for about 40 years now
I don't watch videos that have "The Truth" in the title cos they're gonna be shit
James how do you feel about the sheer amount of bots in the comments? 😅😅 I doubt you paid for viewers
It's fucking insane, like 80% of the comments.
plastic fans beyond europe want "more big games", actual fans want to play different teams
It's better and I'm tired of pretending it's not
In few years time expect EUFA to change the qualification rules. The national league winners will qualify for Champion League then all other teams will simply qualify to play in a EUFA competition. What competition a teams playing will be based on their EUFA coefficient, but still with limits on number of teams from a single country allowed in each competition. That way the big teams are more likely to keep qualifying and EUFA can maximize the money the competition makes.
Here's an idea to make the tables in any league more interesting (and scary)
Just change the points system.
Two points for a win, one each for a draw, and minus one for a defeat.
Make a loss come with a loss.
Make losing mean something as much as winning, and maybe we'll produce more winners.
Congrats, you just made drawing significantly more appealing. Why do you think they switched from 2 for a win and 1 for a draw? Too many teams settled for a draw. Now if you are drawing, its 1 point, if you push for a win its to gain 1 point but the risk is losing 2. Its not remotely worth it.
That was an old system and it was shit
There's absolutely nothing fair about a league system where teams are ranked together but don't all play each other or the same opponents, and nobody is ever going to be able to convince me otherwise. It's an absolutely shocking format, and whoever came up with it needs to be removed from football immediately.
I'm not sure there's a single perfectly "fair" way to format a knockout tournament. And this format is actually a lot more balanced and fair than the previous group stage system
And there,s nothing fair of being in a group of death and another team has a simple group
I let you then stay ignorant. If your club is very good. It would beat any club that comes towards it, so this seems more fair with random opponents, than ending up in group of death like many smaller clubs in previous years have ended up in. This format seems to give smaller clubs much better chance at going through, because the game is not already over ending up in group of death like in previous years it has been. Thats why Aston Villa is already leading the Champions League as only club that has won all their three games. This is also much more intresting to watch, when clubs can compare themselves to other big european clubs on who is better by how much points you got, instead of it being a boring group stage once again where you preatty much know before it even starts who goes through and who dosent. Here its much more difficult to predict what place will a club finish in the Champions League and that makes it much more exciting to watch. For me its preatty fair, when you play against random eight other clubs from the league and, if it wasent thoese eight clubs you play against. It would be other eight clubs around the same level and good football club can prove that they can beat any other football club out there to show how they are the best indeed and 24 clubs get through this time, so you can have your moment of unluckiness, but still get through and a lot of smaller clubs are gonna get through this time, when they dont need to suffer in group of death like in previous years they had.
100% it’s the new super league and fans don’t get a say in the matter, there was nothing wrong with the old format why does everything need to be changed? Leave our beautiful game alone!!
More on bhafc pls up the albion
he usually only covers teams with more than 4 fans sorry pal
@@joshbailey872 think u got fans confused w league position buddy
@@joshbailey872 palace r shit mate
The truth that it is the best thing to happen to the cl in a while
sounds awful
N1
Much better than N17!
After calafioris and odegaards injury’s after just a couple int games I am not excited for this format.