7 Biggest Managerial Falls From Grace
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- From José Mourinho's journey from an untouchable god at Porto, Chelsea, and Inter Milan to sacked by Roma and appointed by Fenerbahce, to Frank Rijkaard falling from UEFA Champions League winner at Barcelona to total obscurity, HITC Sevens takes a look at some of the biggest downfalls in football management of all time.
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I suppose you could say that Brian Clough stayed on too long at Nottingham Forest with his final season ending in relegation in 1993 and his documented battle with alcoholism but his legacy at the club was already assured
relegation on your cv is a blemish on your career especially considering they were the best team in europe at one point
To be fair, Magath probably meant rubbing curd on an inflamed muscle or injury, which really does help reduce inflammation. It’s a well known home remedy. It also helps against sunburns.
He probably translated Quark to cottage cheese, and only the cheese part stuck. Quarkwickel are an old home remedy, although not necessarily more effective than any other way of cooling an inflammation.
@@Ladund dachte ich mir auch. Hat nie Wunder gewirkt, aber bekannt ist es 😂
Apparently Peter Taylor won promotion to the Premier League with Gillingham....
Was thinking the same. Cant remember that ever happening and cant seem to ever remember Peter Andre managing Sweden at a world cup either 😂😂😂
Must have missed that season that GILLINGHAM played in the Premier League 😂😂
I wish 😂
Really don't understand Maradona in this list. Never really achieved anything as manager. So he couldn't fall in my opinion.
Hey, he reached the world cup quarterfinals with Argentina in 2010...with a talent pool that could have won it all with a proper squad. Fun fact, Cambiasso and Zanetti had won the champions league in 2010. Neither of them were called up for the 2010 world cup! Prior to that, he only had brief club spells that went nowhere, so that run where he managed Argentina was a "rise" for him as a manager.
The part about Maradona at Gimnasia de la Plata could be worth its own video. His last birthday celebration (on TV, anyways) was in front of 0 fans due to COVID restrictions, and he was clearly in no condition to...walk, or even stand around. It was a very miserable, sad sight. After his death, it was revealed that he was hungover on that last birthday. There's so much shady stuff regarding the people that were supposed to take care of him at home (it wasn't family members, Maradona had split from the majority of his family long prior to death). It would be a grim video for sure.
As a manager he never achieved anything he only got the Argentina job because of his Legacy is a player getting to the quarter finals of a tournament isn't an achievement it's an absolute minimum requirement @@Kenny-Blankenship
If anything, it works the other way around because his last stint as a coach for Gimnasia de la Plata was arguably his most successful one. The team was really bad and it looked like relegation was guaranteed until he arrived and got them to improve enough to avoid the relegation fight altogether.
Alfie did say he has the highest win rate of Argentina managers or something
@@Kenny-BlankenshipGareth Southgate did far better than him.
I must have forgot that part of history where Peter Andre was head of England
What was that even all about? Did I miss something?
@@BriarLeaf00 there will be no further comment at this time
@@reubenmiller2142 lol
@@BriarLeaf00 I suspect Alfie couldn’t get many pictures of George Rayner and decided to improvise. Confused me a bit too.
Cant you remember he also managed Grimsby town and got them promoted 3 years in a row from div 2 to the prem and finished 4th in his 1st season in the prem and left to manage Real Madrid. Ronaldo often says hes the greatest manager he ever played for 😂😂😂
Wasn't ready for that Peter Andre slide show! 😂
As a swiss I'm completely lost...what the hell was that about? 😂
@@samuelmeier1617as a portuguese I'm as lost as you are
Gillingham in the premier league?! Sent me scrambling to Wikipedia in disbelief
The crack at Thogden
😂😂😂
That WAS a sharp dig
Now do the 7 most unlikely managers to claim genuinely big trophies. I'm thinking of achievements like that of Roberto Di Matteo (won CL with Chelsea), Claudio Ranieri (Won PL with Leicester) or Roberto Martinez (Won the FA-cup with Wigan)
Claudio Ranieri was a Top manager. He was underestimated due to him coaching a relegation survivor team, nothing to do with his managerial ability.
Roberto Martinez also doesn't belong, he really isn't nearly as bad as people say. Di Matteo, though, totally
@richardthepastamancer6619 That's like saying Benitez was a top manager, you'd still be shocked beyond belief if he managed to pull off a Prem Title Win with Newcastle. Ranieri also brutally failed both his follow-up season after the title win, and his next gig at Fulham
@gurururuwarararara8164 you are 100% missing the point. Even in the case of Benitez (who was not in your 1st comment), you would be shocked because the teams are mid to bad, not because of a multiple time CL finalist and winner has the coaching skill to win the Prem. When you put Ranieri, a proven winning manager, on the same level as di Matteo and Martinez, 2 unproven managers, you are comparing apples and oranges.
@richardthepastamancer6619 Ait fair enough actually, I see what you mean. Slash Ranieri from the list, put someone like Ljupko Petrovic on instead. Man won the CL with Red Star Belgrade after like 3 years of top flight coaching
on the 3rd of October, the champions of the Welsh prem will be playing against fiorentina in the Europa conference. despite being ignored and ridiculed for so long, this could be a massive turning point for Welsh football. please make a video about the league's history and it's future. also some videos about women's football would be awesome 🏴
I think Dave Mackay was worth mentioning, from England champions to lower league football.
I miss the 9am uploads. The games gone 😪
Woke Nonsense
Gills fan here I will never forget the season we were in the premier league 😂😂
Tommy Docherty went from FA cup winner and European Football with Man Utd to not manage a single top flight team after leaving the Red.
Rafa got old sadly.
@@HonestTom1892 that’s where we are all headed, if we are lucky.
Theres no way Maradona should be on the list. Never was a highly rated manager to fall from grace,
The well known swedish clubs Juventus, Lazio and Coventry.
Jose Mourinho, mark Hughes and Steve Bruce! I didn’t think all three would be in the same list
@@enffootballlab2022 and you were right.
Because they all aren't on the list
I did enjoy Gillingham's stint in the Premier League. Shoddy work, Alfie.. your head's gone. I certainly hope someone gets fired for that blunder.
Jose Mourinho is the AC Milan of managers in terms of his decline from his peak
José Mourinho hasn’t fallen from grace, he’s simply been left behind by time due to his pride blinding him from seeing that football is an ever evolving game and failing to adapt. He has literally tried to force the game to adjust to him. 🤭
That said, if he adapted his style to the modern game and found himself a number two and number three to support him rather than go at it the lone wolf route, he’d probably shortly return to the top of the game. Will he do it? Unlikely. Success sometimes can trick one into a perpetual cycle of failure by way of keeping one stuck in their way rather than evolving with the times.
Something people need to take into account with Mourinho is he's just as much of a brand as he is a football manager. I'm sure he could adapt better if he really wanted too, but part of his image (which is his gravity train) is being associated with "anti-football" & confrontational leadership. This is more relevant than it's ever been as he REALLY stands out from the crowd now & has provided him a huge, rebellious support base of people who'll follow teams solely because he's managing them.
Must be a burden being the most famous football manager of all time, which he undoubtedly is, the expectations people have of you to be who you're perceived to me (a collection of traits & attitudes which suit a different era) makes adaptation difficult if you care about people, which I do believe he does also.
I think the problem is not just his tactics, it's his personality. At every club, he demands certain players, and publicly calls out the board if he doesn't get them. When performances go sour, as they always do with Mourinho... he throws his players under the bus. No owner of a top club would want that at their team. It's recipe for short lived success and definite disaster
@@HHHBFResurrectedhe's the most famous manager by design, he has his own management company that handles his marketing. It's why in most youtube comment sections Mourinho can do no wrong. I think he has done amazing things at clubs but his narcissism is his main downfall, I also think he should adapt his game if he wants to manage at the highest level again. It's not hard for a manager of his style to change to a style like that of Ancelotti, for example. When Mourinho was at Madrid he was ultra-attacking counter football
@@footballhipstertv just say you hate Portuguese people at this point.
He won't do it, he has a formula but football like you said, evolved, and that formula doesn't work anymore. He is not dumb, far from it, he just lacks the flexibility to drop old habits and start again, his pride won't let him do it. So by now, he will die by the sword he helped to raise a few years ago. Will he still shine? once in a while sure, but not with the consistency he once had, whenever he joined a club you knew he would most probably be champion on his first season, now, not anymore.
Rijkaards was pretty much intentional. After Barcelona he didn't really feel up to it anymore so he only took figurehead jobs that paid well. Even though he had multiple opportunities at actual challenges. At top clubs as well. At least according to himself, those around him and lots of media reporting and club statements linking him to said jobs. He just wasn't interested anymore.
Video suggestion: Players who are/were always much better for their national team than for their club, e.g., Harry Maguire, Miroslav Klose, Memphis Depay
also: the vast majority of balkan players and for some reason the whole uruguay team except suarez...
Your channel is by far the best football channel on youtube. The level of depth of your research, your social, cultural and political awareness when talking about the world football, your critical approach to the capitalist side of the game and your witty humour are really to be praised. Amazing work mate. Cheers from Portugal!
In defence for Magath when Fulham hired him they were bottom of the league. So it is unclear whether he did a bad job or whether the team was actually that bad. He only won three of twelve games, but before he took over they had only won six games out of 26, which is pretty similar. On top of this they finished 17th in the championship in the following season, winning fourteen out of 39 games after his departure. This implies that their squad despite being one of the most expensive probably wasn't one of the best. Also he took over Taishan when they were bottom of the League, avoided relegation finished sixth in the following season and chose not to prolong his contract. Hertha hired him for the last games of the season when they were in danger of being relegated. Magath agreed saying from the beginning that he would only stay for the rest of the season. He saved them from relegation although it was close. After he retired Hertha finished bottom of the league the following season. So his last jobs weren't so bad, he simply worked as a firefighter again, being succesful in two out of three missions.
Raynor’s run in the Grease Musical was legendary.
Can you do seven most washed up clubs of all time? As a Gen Z viewer, I found the player video very informative. Many thanks, bossman.
@@SilliusSodus how would that even work? Washed up players stay washed up, you don’t get better with age as an athlete.
Clubs can have a relative decline - Real Madrid went DECADES without winning a champions league - only to reverse it and dominate for years.
Notts County, Portsmouth, Boa Vista,
@@archstanton6102 Man United, Leeds and Everton too…
@@SilliusSodus Bolton, Charlton, Portsmouth, Wigan, Derby, Blackburn and Birmingham from England. Kaiserlautent, Nuremberg, Karlsruher and Hamrburg were massive German teams. Real Zaragoza and Deportivo La Crouna, not just massive Spanish teams but also big European teams at their peak. These were top candidates.
@@Trargent_08 could add Parma for Italy, as UEFA cup winners
Regarding Maradona, he was also appointed as a "president-coach" of Belarusian side Dinamo Brest, while only being in charge here for only one game, after which he left, saying that "he was betrayed and they promised him a bigger role in the club"
In those 9 year Mourinho won two europan trophies, the Europa League with Manchester United and the Europa Conference League with Roma, more one league cup and one communitie shield with Manchester United, how many league titles those trophies worth?
Ian Coates, a manager who in his second season at Harchester United fought a referrer leading to a touchline ban and attempting to kill his successor during the FA Cup final
I have this hypothesis that the vast majority of top managers only have an approximate 10-15 year window at the top of the game, like players. The reason being that the game passes them by & they struggle to move on from the approach that brought them so much success earlier on in their careers. Sven couldn't let go of 4-4-2. Mourinho couldn't let go of defence over attack. Cloughie couldn't get on board with a more tactical approach.
That's why managers like Fergie & Pep are so remarkable. They are able to see when their former approaches are no longer viable & push themselves into the new era.
The exception might be Ancelotti, who has always been about letting players express themselves, even in an era of rigid systems. However, I think he gets away with it because he's always been more tactically & philosophically flexible
I thought SAF got better when he removed himself from the training sessions and delegated to some very tallented coaches. He knew that keeping highly motivated competent people in situe and freshening things up would do the world of good and even if he fowled a relationship he got the person out before the whole group was poisoned from the fall out. Motivation, relationship management and selective recruitment and dismissal realy served him well.
Raynor, despite being a football manager, also had strong opinions on mysterious girls, and getting close to them.
Best XI of players who fell from grace. Come on Alfie, you know you want to do it.
to Morinhos defense, most clubs he has faced and got compared to in the last 10 years had budget on mass.
Should of had Peter Andre as the thumb nail just to confuse everyone
Video suggestion Day 5: 7 pairs of footballers that fit the "regen" idea the best
Fun fact: George Raynor was the first of only four managers to have reached the final of a mens' or womens' World Cup with a national team that wasn't their own, the others being Ernst Happel with the Netherlands in 1978, Pia Sundhage with the US in 2011, and Sarina Wiegman with England in 2023. All four of them lost.
Another crazy fall from grace as manager and example of the England Curse is Sven Goran Eriksson. From 5 years as England's coach to having one of the worst coaching stints in Mexico's national team's history, then brief stints at Leicester and Ivory Coast before taking a hike to China and never coming back
Thank you Alfred for today’s gift.
Gillingham in the PL is a funny flub, but what Maniac uses a fork to eat a Döner. That's just not right.
Paul Jewell would be a shout.. around the time he was at Wigan he was held in such regard for what he'd done there and at Bradford.. most recently he was assistant at Swindon and that itself was a few years ago.
I think his success depended on the players, he signed big names at Bradford and had good and young players at Wigan. He didnt do quite well at Derby, Sheff Wed and Ipswich.
@@Trargent_08 that Wigan squad was just 👌 from listening to his interview on Let's Be Having You it sounds like he always managed a squad well, which was a great key to success at the time (see also the Blackburn teams of Big Sam/Sparky)
Your pronunciation of Rijkaard isn't as bad as you think!
Also, Sparta Rotterdam was relegated for the first time in their history, losing all but one of their last 8 games, scoring exactly 0 goals in those 8 games.
Bad as that is, it doesn't really warrant death threats in my opinion, but then again, I'm no Sparta Rotterdam supporter.
Gillingham one got me 😂 I'm sure he knows he got that wrong.
Did you forget, that Mourinho brought Roma their first ever official European Trophy, with the Wim in the Conference League? And then He took them to the Europa League Final the following Season, which Roma should have won, but were denied by some more than questionable Refeereing Decisions.
The Roma Fans Adore him and hated his Sacking.
I think you should have mentioned these International Successes, because Overall his Time at Roma has to be considered a Success for the Club.
He also had great Success at United, winning the Europa League and Cup with them aswell as finishing second in the Premier League, something that He himself describes as his greatest ever Achievement. He oversaw the best post Ferguson United Team.
Mourinho is far from washedy, He is one of the greatest of All Time.
If he wins a league title with Fenerbache, he might get his career back on track. If he fails, his career as a top, top, elite European level coach, is probably over
Not all supporters loved Mourinho, most liked his personality but hated his boring playstyle.
Roma is a team where it's sometime more important to play entertaining fotboll than winning.
I have supported Roma since 94, and Roma looked terrible under him, especially season 2 and 3. In 22-23 season we scored only 50 goals wich is the lowest since 96-97.
@@Robztraining thats why roma dont win shit
@@YashMezzala and that they don't have as much money as big clubs.
But Klopp, Guardiola and lot of other coaches can play entertaining fotboll and win. Mourinho won less and less matches the more players he took in and changed the team. He's still decent at motivation but his tactics are extremely dated. Park the bus and hope the two or three attacking players create something on their own.
@@gurururuwarararara8164 *Fenerbahce
Maradona was never a great manager tho, so its hardly a fall from grace.
Exactly, thought the same
Nice one Alfie, you made me go back to the video of managers failing upwards to check that Frank Rijkaard was there. He definitely did.
Bruce Riochs fall is actually even worse. Stewart Houston had been caretaker manager at Arsenal when Rioch was appointed and stayed on as assistant manager, meaning that Rioch left to work as assistant manager for his own former assistant manager
Assistant to the Assistant Manager. Bruce 'Dwight' Rioch.
‘Two of the most iconic venues in all of world football’. Hang on, Wembley is a dump
@@ermfwp it’s an iconic dump.
@@SKa-tt9nm you are technically correct (the best kind of correct!)
“And that is who features in seventh” genuinely had me in stitches
José Luis Trejo started off very well in Mexico, winning silverware in the early 2000s, to becoming one of Mexico’s worst!
What Leon Knight said about Peter Taylor on Soccer AM 😅
I suggest a video about the 7 most unlikely promotions to a countrys top division. We have a candidate here in Norway, the KFUM (YMCA) team from Oslo winning promotion last season and holding their own this season being undefeated against three of our biggest clubs home & away. You know, the club where players have to walk the zebra stripes to get to the playing turf with club officials needing to close and open the street before and after.
What it shows is how important and difficult it is to keep up with how football changes & how special a SAF is.
Rijkaard also retired relatively young as a player age 32 after CL win with Ajax
I love how people think that putting a good manager in or a good player means the team should finish top 5 😭😭what a joke! Owners are delusional. It’s a top manager plus a team that already has everything that does it, and even then it isn’t guaranteed to make too 5. But Roma should be top 5 with Jose? Idk. I don’t know anything about the specific situation. I just know whenever a decent managers gets a job at a big club, then it’s ohhh ange is so great, slot is so great, klopp is so great. And it’s silly
I'd completely forgotten Frank Rijkaard ever had a decent managerial career.
Maradona being listed as a managerial fall from grace makes no sense as he never had a stellar/successful managerial career to start with.
Steven Gerrard is a better shout. Won a Scottish league with rangers but within 2 years is in saudi arabian football
1:42 - That could also describe Wengers Arsenal career as well. I always knew that "Specialist in Failure" comment would come back to bite him.
Ive always maintained Mourinhos time at Real Madrid is what broke him. High pressure environment plus having to face Guardiolas Barcelona, which was the antithesis of Mourinho ball.
Also, I hope Alan Curbishley gets a mention in this video (I'm still only 3 mins in)
Poor Jose. From Roma to turkey, what an insane downfall
That thogden joke nearly made me choke on my lunch break apple 😂
Do a video on kettering town. Most goals in FA Cup, had Gazza as manager, first shirt sponsor in english football, and callum Wilson played for them
🤣 I can’t pay attention to George Raynor because of the Peter Andre photos 😂😂
Tbh, Jose always took challeging jobs. Porto, Chelse, Inter & Real hadn't achieved their tarhets in ages. Later on, he could have managed PSG & Bayern (if he had been offered those jobs) and continued to win League Titles, but he never took the easy way out.
Why do you have RDM on your cover when he didn’t even make your list?
Not mentioning Christoph Daum is an INSANE miss!
Wow George Raynor looks a lot like Peter Andre
You should do a video about, the raise and potential fall of Accrington Stanley
Accrington Stanley, who are they
@@AvatarN exactly
Alfie, i think you are more inspiring, entertaining, and handsome than Thogden
Also nice kebab homie
What a handsome bloke Raynor is
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Keep up the videos! Could you give the Women's game some more coverage, please?
Must have missed that season that GILLINGHAM played in the Premier League 😂😂
good manager means having an expensive $$$ squad of elite players
Benitez went down because of how he treated Jerzy Dudek after UCL win.
And no Otto Rehagels title witj Kaiserslautern as newcomers is the best Bundesliga title win ever!
Best player-managers of all time Alfie :)
In fairness to Mourinho, only Spurs would sack a serial winner before a cup final.
Fully expected Ranieri to be number one.
I was fully expecting Sven Goran Eriksson on this list.
7 of the most ridiculous takes in football youtube i wish you could do that one. Great video Alfie
You should really do one of your what on earth is going on videos about Partizan. Last night's spanking at the hands of their eternal enemy is just the culmination of all sorts of scandalous mismanagement and badness that you thrive on Alfie.
Because playing with stars and without stars is the same, right?
Managing Roma and Celta de Vigo for sure is the same as to manage Negreiralona and Petrodollar City
This video is truly insightful, amusing and my god that Alfie fella is handsome
Mourinho went from being a grumpy nagging but very succesfull manager to just a grumpy nagging man....
Also the best way to pronounce Djurgården is like "yur-gaw-den"
I've never been able to take Felix Magath seriously because to me he looks like Hans Moleman, or Penfold from Danger Mouse
Best German players in the premier league of all time. (Day 680)
Alternativly you could do "Best German players who played outside the Bundesliga" or something like that if you prefer.
I will not give up until the video is made or Alfie himself tells me to stop. Everyone else telling me that will be ignored.
If you don't believe my number, just go back to the previous videos. I'm at the bottom most of the time, but I'm there.
I think at this point he's just avoiding you for the luls.
@@dvdv8197I'd have to concur at this point, although I struggle with the idea of Alfie being *this* diabolical 😂
@@RyuzakiTaiyou keep going mate, your result will be pay off, I hope so.
I'd like to see that :)
Players simply dont have the spine to play for Jose. Too many are divas
There are indeed very mild car crashes!
Listening to Peter Taylor, I just wanted to say how much I hate and despise Dartford. They must lose in the fa cup this weekend
For a moment I thought this was MLB managers, because I can name a few. LOL
Don't criticize the special one like that. He is my favourite one .
lol unlucky Thogden, good luck recovering from that
You got season tickets when you were 7 years old, Alfie?
Lucky!
Porto was 20 years ago Alfie
Gillingham have never played in the Premier League I think you mean the championship
Magath looks like the warden in shawshank redemption
Gillingham were never promoted to the premier league and why when talking about the number 1 reyna does it keep showing photos of Peter Andre for 🤦♂️🤷♂️🤣
A.S. ROMA won a throphy with Mourinho.
Perhaps his last good grace.
Might be the sloppiest list so far