I don't think it's a bad product from a conceptual standpoint but the design leaves a lot to be desired. I can definitely see the advantages if used in the ideal circumstances but I've got to ban it on my lake because in the wrong circumstances I can see it causing a lot of harm. We don't put rules in to stop responsible anglers having fun, we put them in to prevent idiots from causing harm.
Good points well made. Regarding your conversation point re once your snaged. Two words never to use in angling always and never. Its just not worth the risk.
Regarding the disappearing fish when you snag up, is that the case for barbed/barbless or both types of hook? just curious, as this Twig is designed to stop the fish throwing the hook. In my opinion and willing to be corrected is................................. The device you hold in your hand is an over-engineered piece of elastic, there is no "trigger" in the sense that we are meant to associate it with, there is no auto hooking capability like some "anglers" have said, and it will not "Trigger from its LOADED state to recoil and prick the fish quicker" as the OMC tackle website says it will. Take the 4.5oz version for example, All it does is: (and this is a decent idea to be fair) Once the fish creates 4.5oz + of tension somewhere between the hook and the lead, the arms release so that it will help to stop the fish from shaking the hook free just after the initial turn/bolt because of the amount of time and distance that pressure is exerted on the hook-hold. In layman's terms if you imagine 15 feet of rope with a handle that grips your hand when under tension on one end, and tied off to a 20kg weight on the other, if you walk with the handle you will go about 15 feet and then encounter a 20kg+ force trying to stop you, as you take a step back you can let go of the handle, it will drop away and you can walk off, if you change 10 foot of that rope to 10 feet of pre-stretched bungee you still have a 15 foot length but when you hit 15 feet this time then the tension is allowed to return into the bungee so you will still hit a 20kg+ force trying to stop you but instead of having to take 1 step back and let go you have to take about 5 or 6 steps until you can let go of the handle as it will not be under tension any more. At the moment I think not using it within most of the Thames catchment area is better than a 50k fine, However, I do feel that the EA have banned it for the wrong reason There is a market out there for this type of device but the design has to be re-engineered to make it fish-safe, (I already have a slight design change in mind to stop those arms sticking out) and the wording has to be changed so that it is not as misleading, I would love to see some of the prototypes and prototype drawings for it over the last 2 years.
Like the others who have taken to time to comment here, I do think it’s too risky in its current form but I also agree that it isn’t the “self hooking” type device that bylaws prohibit. My understanding is that in most situations a fish only gets partially pricked with the hook point when it picks up your bait. The hook then becomes set when the fish starts to move and the rig straightens against the weight of your lead, then a full run ensues. The twig is apparently designed to increase the degree of that initial penetration making it a) harder to shake free and b) quicker to “run” but the fish still needs to pick up your bait and move to a degree large enough to engage the spring. Ergo not “self hooking” just a bit more initial penetration. And yes, I have lost fish which have snagged me up whilst fishing barbed hooks as well as barbless.
Its funny that people are talking about fish saftey. But lifting fish out with the net while they still got a rig in the mouth. Unhook the fish in the water before you take them out....
To be honest, I know anglers who talk a good safety game but who routinely flout rules at their waters; using barbed when rules say barbless, using leaders when they’re banned, not dipping their nets, retaining fish in really shallow water etc this is something I didn’t mention in this video. I think the twig can be safe in the right situation and in the hands of the right angler; and therein lies the issue. You can’t police who uses it nor how they fish so you have to assume to worst outcome.
I think it’s worth a conversation for the same reason leaders are. Some like/use leaders and others don’t. I don’t and if I ran a fishery I would ban leaders but plenty allow them so there’s a range of opinion. Waters with no weed? Does that change anything? Maybe, maybe not.
I have a sense that a safe version may win you bonus bites from wary carp but it’s anyone’s guess if it would make a significant difference to overall catch rates. Certainly fish do get away with it a lot more than we think which is why I think it’s an interesting concept. Who knows.
Thats not the question. That is a question you ask once a product has proven it is safe. Until then the question of how effective it is at catching should be irrelevant. Is it safe first and does it work second! Ali missed the first step unfortunately
There are plenty of leaders that caus consern im happy to use them with barbles hooks and i feel tje sane way abot these. I would not use them in a weedy lake however because its cluter on the line these are just my opinions🤷♂️
I don’t generally like leaders and prefer tubing. I don’t think leaders are heavy enough to shake free. Interestingly the medium twig weighs about 3 grams which is about the same as a hybrid safe zone leader but about 1/8 the length. I suspect the waters that haven’t banned the twig probably also allow leaders.
I would definitely ban this obscenity! It serves to take money out of fishermen's pockets. It is a death sentence for fish if they get stuck on dirt in the lake. On some waters, the barb hook or lead line is prohibited, and then they sell such a killer thing. Incomprehensible!!! Karol from Slovakia
Fish safety should always come first
I don't think it's a bad product from a conceptual standpoint but the design leaves a lot to be desired. I can definitely see the advantages if used in the ideal circumstances but I've got to ban it on my lake because in the wrong circumstances I can see it causing a lot of harm. We don't put rules in to stop responsible anglers having fun, we put them in to prevent idiots from causing harm.
Good points well made.
Regarding your conversation point re once your snaged. Two words never to use in angling always and never. Its just not worth the risk.
Yep. Or “should”.
Regarding the disappearing fish when you snag up, is that the case for barbed/barbless or both types of hook? just curious, as this Twig is designed to stop the fish throwing the hook.
In my opinion and willing to be corrected is.................................
The device you hold in your hand is an over-engineered piece of elastic, there is no "trigger" in the sense that we are meant to associate it with, there is no auto hooking capability like some "anglers" have said, and it will not "Trigger from its LOADED state to recoil and prick the fish quicker" as the OMC tackle website says it will.
Take the 4.5oz version for example, All it does is: (and this is a decent idea to be fair) Once the fish creates 4.5oz + of tension somewhere between the hook and the lead, the arms release so that it will help to stop the fish from shaking the hook free just after the initial turn/bolt because of the amount of time and distance that pressure is exerted on the hook-hold.
In layman's terms if you imagine 15 feet of rope with a handle that grips your hand when under tension on one end, and tied off to a 20kg weight on the other, if you walk with the handle you will go about 15 feet and then encounter a 20kg+ force trying to stop you, as you take a step back you can let go of the handle, it will drop away and you can walk off, if you change 10 foot of that rope to 10 feet of pre-stretched bungee you still have a 15 foot length but when you hit 15 feet this time then the tension is allowed to return into the bungee so you will still hit a 20kg+ force trying to stop you but instead of having to take 1 step back and let go you have to take about 5 or 6 steps until you can let go of the handle as it will not be under tension any more.
At the moment I think not using it within most of the Thames catchment area is better than a 50k fine, However, I do feel that the EA have banned it for the wrong reason
There is a market out there for this type of device but the design has to be re-engineered to make it fish-safe, (I already have a slight design change in mind to stop those arms sticking out) and the wording has to be changed so that it is not as misleading, I would love to see some of the prototypes and prototype drawings for it over the last 2 years.
Like the others who have taken to time to comment here, I do think it’s too risky in its current form but I also agree that it isn’t the “self hooking” type device that bylaws prohibit. My understanding is that in most situations a fish only gets partially pricked with the hook point when it picks up your bait. The hook then becomes set when the fish starts to move and the rig straightens against the weight of your lead, then a full run ensues. The twig is apparently designed to increase the degree of that initial penetration making it a) harder to shake free and b) quicker to “run” but the fish still needs to pick up your bait and move to a degree large enough to engage the spring. Ergo not “self hooking” just a bit more initial penetration.
And yes, I have lost fish which have snagged me up whilst fishing barbed hooks as well as barbless.
Same here not using them or putting it in my carp box not good for the carp at all
The lake owner sounds smart dosnt want his thousand of pounds worth of fish harmed just cause Ali wants money t
Its funny that people are talking about fish saftey. But lifting fish out with the net while they still got a rig in the mouth. Unhook the fish in the water before you take them out....
To be honest, I know anglers who talk a good safety game but who routinely flout rules at their waters; using barbed when rules say barbless, using leaders when they’re banned, not dipping their nets, retaining fish in really shallow water etc this is something I didn’t mention in this video. I think the twig can be safe in the right situation and in the hands of the right angler; and therein lies the issue. You can’t police who uses it nor how they fish so you have to assume to worst outcome.
The "conversation point " is dangerous tbh , it pretty much if went to the ok would make every fixed lead rig also viable ?
I think it’s worth a conversation for the same reason leaders are. Some like/use leaders and others don’t. I don’t and if I ran a fishery I would ban leaders but plenty allow them so there’s a range of opinion. Waters with no weed? Does that change anything? Maybe, maybe not.
@@davewalker791 its for this very reason I've never used leaders especially leadcore 👍👍
Totally agree needs to be a lot safer for the fish But does it catch you more fish That is the question.
Will it catch more fish ? The question is, are you
Prepared too,
knowing it's not safe.
@@andrewwing5086 No you are not
I have a sense that a safe version may win you bonus bites from wary carp but it’s anyone’s guess if it would make a significant difference to overall catch rates. Certainly fish do get away with it a lot more than we think which is why I think it’s an interesting concept. Who knows.
Thats not the question. That is a question you ask once a product has proven it is safe. Until then the question of how effective it is at catching should be irrelevant. Is it safe first and does it work second! Ali missed the first step unfortunately
@@DunkinBiscuits Yes I totally agree with you
There are plenty of leaders that caus consern im happy to use them with barbles hooks and i feel tje sane way abot these. I would not use them in a weedy lake however because its cluter on the line these are just my opinions🤷♂️
I don’t generally like leaders and prefer tubing. I don’t think leaders are heavy enough to shake free. Interestingly the medium twig weighs about 3 grams which is about the same as a hybrid safe zone leader but about 1/8 the length. I suspect the waters that haven’t banned the twig probably also allow leaders.
Just don’t use them
Cut em off and put an elastic band around them
I would definitely ban this obscenity! It serves to take money out of fishermen's pockets. It is a death sentence for fish if they get stuck on dirt in the lake. On some waters, the barb hook or lead line is prohibited, and then they sell such a killer thing. Incomprehensible!!!
Karol from Slovakia