THE MAGIC TWIG IN MATCH FISHING??? IS THERE A PLACE FOR THE MAGIC TWIG IN MATCH FISHING?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- THE MAGIC TWIG IN MATCH FISHING??? IS THERE A PLACE FOR THE MAGIC TWIG IN MATCH FISHING?
Lee Kerry and Rob Wootton discuss the pros and cons of the brand new device that seems to have many anglers talking. The magic twig.
I am old school if its not broken don't fix it water craft is a art I took my son fishing he as just come home from University and we went perch fishing he has still got it so the uploads you have kept me going thanks we both caught perch to 3lb and a carp to double figures on prawn and worm
Best place for the twig is the bin.
Not for me are we taking water craft out of fishing and using a snare ..
Every fishing rig is a 'snare'. We don't throw bait in and not attach a hook to it? Water craft is about locating fish, applying bait in the right manner for the day and building an effective rig.
Do you really set up a rig and say to yourself "I only fancy catching some of the fish in front of me today"?
We all spend a small fortune on going fishing and I can't believe anyone goes out and thinks "I hope my rig is only 50% effective today."
There have been entire books dedicated to building more effective rigs. If someone had not invented the hair rig that was more efficient at hooking carp we would all stuck still burying a big hook inside a baby spud. I've watch enough underwater films to know that most of advantages lie with the fish. We all get 'done' a lot.
I build rigs that give me more rolls of the dice in the lottery of hooking a fish.
Have you forgotten the Lee and Rob are professional match anglers? Their livelyhood depends on being the most efficient fish catcher possible.
They would literally love to have a rig that catches 100% of the fish that pick it up. They literal have this channel and website in order to help anglers be more effective and efficient at catching fish. Your mind set is alien to them. faux morality is an indulgence that they cannot afford.
Fishing hurts fish. End of, but many of those fish would not exist if anglers like us did not want to catch them. The best we can do is treat them nicely on the bank and return them as quickly as possible.
I go fishing to catch fish as efficiently as possible. My aim is do the best I can because otherwise I cannot justify the time, money and effort I put in, especially when time is short and money is tight.
I doubt the 'twig' provides 100% efficiency. It still requires you to have picked the right location and have applied bait effectively.
I understand safety objections if there is a snagging issue, but I don't understand an angler who does not want to be better of catching fish.
Thank you. Great to be privy to your thoughts on this.
Love the fact that you addressed it, great video gents as always. Really balanced view and can’t disagree with a single point. The carp world have overreacted massively imo.
Not when carp are getting snagged up because of it.
Nonsense. Fish welfare plays a far bigger part in carp angling than it does in match fishing and this, to anyone with half a brain cell, is clearly an anchor for catching weed (check out independent videos proving this) and has the potential of catching in the mesh of a landing net. The amount of fisheries and clubs banning it is not an overreaction but proactive thinking to protect their stock. While the concept is not a bad idea, albeit taking even more skill out of fishing, the product design is poor. Needs the spring arms incorporated inside the mechanism and not outside as Lee has suggested. Then, and only then is it a viable potentially safe product.
@waynenippard5933 Totally agree , fish or see a video of someone fishing a commercial fishery where matches are regularly fished to see carp with their lips ripped off. To maximise catch rates.
Sorry guys, this is an out and out self hooking rig and should be outlawed. Your method feeder example does not ensure 100% self hooking. Fixed method feeders are outlawed on many venues.
The snagging problems were glossed over by you as it did ot include dragging great clumps of weed around. I don't think that either of you or any elite Angler would be too happy being beaten by a newby fishing the twig when you weren't.
Sorry guys it should be banned, it's unethical and will be used by inexperienced anglers to all of our detriment in the long run. Anti angling factions will have a field day with this item!
As someone who uses both carp and match gear it is obvious to me that this device has it's origins in the korda underwater videos. In those films they get done by carp, on the rigs they are most confident with, time and time again!
Edit: Having watched the OMC video I can see who would be most interested in this product. There are big carp venues around the country where 3 or 4 bites a year are the norm. The people on those places would definitely have a vested interesting in using this product! For well stocked commercials and club lakes, don't think it would make that much of a difference really.
I don’t think I’ll ever use one but it has caused a massive talking point. I did think I’ve brought in carp with a pound of weed round their head a few times on free running rigs. I’ve seen 20lbers come in completely cover in weed.
Think it’s good everyone is talking about them and the fish being number one priority. I’ll watch the story unfold.
Well done fellas.
Do we strike when feeder fishing anyway, most of it is self hooking.
I thought self striking mechanisms were outlawed anyway ?
Did you say you found this actual twig in a lake as a piece of lost rig?
Ive heard venues have banned it
The EA byelaw for the Thames region on Tackle, lures and baits, paragraph 4 says:
"In the Thames byelaw area, you must not use more than 3 separate hooks attached to the same rod and line. You must not use any device that is designed to hook a fish automatically."
-Its does not say "self-striking" or "self-hooking" it states "automatic".
The dictionary definition of "automatic" is:
"(of a device or process) working by itself with little or no direct human control."
Most carp rigs (bolt rigs, semi fixed rigs and the method feeder) are 'self-hooking'. Its the combination of the weight of the lead and line tension that sets the hook, not a direct action by the angler. Mostly by the time you pick up your rod the fish has already been hooked and is running, pulling your tip round or sending your buzzers screaming. By legal and dictionary definition, it has occurred 'automatically' without need for direct human intervention.
So, under the current (vague and poorly written) Thames byelaw most carp and feeder rigs are probably unlawful and breach the rule, not just the 'magic twig'.
This byelaw was likely written to deal with poachers using primitive sprung traps with a line, hook and bait attached to bent over branches or sticks. It was aimed at poachers of game fish and Eels in the Thames basin. It is not aimed at pleasure anglers.
A decent lawyer could easily defeat an EA prosecution attempt as a misuse of a bye law intended to prevent criminal activity. It is also so poorly written and vague that it could unwittingly criminalise thousands of anglers by accident.
The 'twig' without the arms is basically no different from an elasticated method stem. Systems like the Guru X-safe definitely help with hook up rates.
It is mechanical striking which is what this product is about,there arguably is no such thing as self hooking rigs as it is the hook that catches and movement of the fish! Whether your hooklength is 30 feet long or 1 inch long even if your freelining with no weight.
@@robertwren8878 That argument does not really work. The Twig is triggered by the fish pulling on the the hooklink. It is the movement of the fish that triggers the arms to release and allows the spring to retract. It does not employ some super-duper sensor and a Harpoon gun. Like every other rig the fish has to pick up the hookbait and move away or shake its head in order to drive the hook home.
The bye law is just that, a law that can be prosecuted in a civil court like a parking ticket.
It does not mention any kind of striking or hook link or mechanism. It merely says 'automatic' and fails to define what 'automatic' actually means in a technical sense of any kind.
If you leave it to the dictionary definition it just means 'without human intervention'. As I have said. That makes a lot of existing rigs unlawful if the fish gets hooked 'without human intervention' like the method feeder for example.
There are no technicalities to discuss because the EA failed to define them in its byelaw.
People think they know what the byelaw means but unless it's written down in black and white or established in case law by a previous prosecution then none of it exists in the eyes of law.
All fishing rigs are 'mechanical'.
They all employ a hook, line and rod.
These are all 'mechanical' devices that are man-made. This mechanism either by weight or tension drives the hook point home. When fishing the method feeder for example, a combination of the hook link, feeder weight, line tension and the pressure exerted by the quiver tip all act in a mechanical combination to drive the hook point home. I've hooked plenty of fish just like without my hands on the rod. So every fish is caught by a combination of mechanical processes often 'automatically' without 'human intervention'.
Under the byelaw all that is actually unlawful under the current vague wording'.
Read what the law actually says. Not what you think it should state.
Because it does not really state anything.
It's already banned on some waters in suffolk
Why a mark 2 with no arms? Mr Hamidi had extensively tested this in lots of venues and there is no problem so Mark 2 not needed!
So if this was used in match fishing, effectively the winner will be the one with the most feeding fish in front of them because almost every bite they get will result in a hook up.
Its called fishing not catching i think its going to far
Luton AC band it till further notice on their waters
This has no place in Angling but would very much appeal to the likes of thieves,poachers and immigrants I can honestly see fishery owners sueing Ali Hamidi if owners,bailiffs catch these thieves in possession of and dead fish costing hundreds of pounds when Hamidi is making profit from their loss! Certainly a Druggie can make thousands. It falls to the responsibility also of tackle shops promoting such a product. It should be banned everywhere!
Already been banned where I fish!!!
Completely ignored the dangers, typical.
BIG no no . Ban it on every fisheries ..... it's nothing like a feeder . I've seen you both fish feeder and still miss bites.
The magic shit
Keep it out of match fishing what next small bait boats there's enough tech in fishing its not for catching fish its for catching angler's
fish them in our lake get you a life ban,
What the hell next.
This has no place in fishing whatsoever, it doesn’t require skill to use it, just Chuck it out and wait. Why has the art of fishing been lost, I’ll tell you why it’s because fishing is no longer about going out and enjoying it it’s about the likes of Hamidi making as much quick dosh as they can.
Chuck it out and wait is 90% of Carp angling. Have you missed the last thirty years of carping? As for skill. Its about figuring out the right location and baiting pattern. Just like any Carp fishing. The twig only improves the final hook up rate, it does not put you on the fish or tell you how they want to feed.
Carp rig development like the Ronnie, the withy pool, the combi rig, etc has always been about improving the hook up rate by making then harder to eject. The twig is just another approach to the same problem. People need to calm down and start thinking about reality. The twig changes nothing about anyone's fishing except the amount their hook bait gets ejected. It does not make anyone a better or worse angler.
There is no place for it at all. It's pointless and it's something else to snag up or collect blanket weed on etc.
I've fished with grenades ... no skill there .. full belly but no skill. Lets just net the waters and be done with this pole, rod and reel nonsense. This is a very close second to long lining and its disgraceful. Very disappointed in you with this Lee.😪
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I don’t think I’ll ever use one but it has caused a massive talking point. I did think I’ve brought in carp with a pound of weed round their head a few times on free running rigs. I’ve seen 20lbers come in completely cover in weed.
Think it’s good everyone is talking about them and the fish being number one priority. I’ll watch the story unfold.
Well done fellas.