Islands Miniseries Megareview (Adventure Time S8E20-27)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2024
- Islands was a journey filled with fun, feels, and a bounty of backstory and lore. Join me in this review as I give my thoughts, analyses, and criticisms on Adventure Time's second 8-part miniseries. Let the island hopping commence! Susan Strong, Dr. Gross, Martin Mertens, and Finn's mother Minerva - we find out so much new information about these characters! And of course, the mystery of what happened to humans 1000 years after the Mushroom War is finally uncovered.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - The Invitation
06:09 - Whipple the Happy Dragon
07:30 - Mysterious Island
10:29 - Imaginary Resources
15:53 - Hide and Seek
23:52 - Min and Marty
29:10 - Helpers
30:55 - The Light Cloud - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
"Why does the guardian feel pain?" Simple. It's not made to stop people. Minerva explains this. She says "If we were strong enough to get past the guardian, we wouldn't need it." It's not a wall. It's a teacher. Monsters feel pain. Monsters would panic if their eyes were damaged.
Gene Scriptbound yeah I mean it’s a robot
Robots can not fell pain well besides neptr
Yafava kuec123 you Can program it to react to damage and situations in a way that looks like pain and fear.
I mean, Moe made it after all. Of COURSE it has f e e l i n g s
But what is it teaching?
Absolutely brilliant bro
"Your ruler is a piece of gum. Your friend's a vampire. You dated a bit of fire once." The moment when you realize how absurd this show is.
Fishbiene
You can realize how absurd the show is from the first episode
Fishbiene
more like how absurd this show has become
Fishbiene a
Marceline is a half demon that got turned *into* a vampire.
Just to pile on a lil more weird there.
+The Otaku Dragon Slayer
Become? As of "lately"?
Did you even watch the first episode? And the second? And every one leading up to now?
If this show somehow caught you off guard NOW, you might have a perception problem.
I just realized Finn probably sees his backpack as red.
Oh yeah because of "its a ruby not an emerald" episode
The release of the deadly virus is very similar to the coronavirus. Somehow adventure time predicted the coronavirus.
@@Mrcharles. do you mean that it predicts the inevitable doom of the virus orrrrrrrrrr......
@@Mrcharles. It's been well known for decades that a coronavirus would be one of the most dangerous threats to humans. Predicting "the coronavirus" was easy.
SARS-CoV-2 was _less_ anticipated.
@@Mrcharles. HOW is this related to the comment?!
Imaginary Island could be a retirement home. When someone on founders island reaches a certain age they are given the option to spend their "twilight years" in a simulated world. This could be wishful thinking, but its just an idea.
Makes sense. Futurama did that type of thing with the Near-Death Sphere...only they never got the choice.
Black Mirror did something similar that ended up being one of the only episodes with a happy ending
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I think animal hats represent safety and security. In Stakes they were used for staying safe from vamps. That's why the humans still wear hats with Minerva trying to keep everyone safe and contained. That's why Freidas hat coming off was focused on as well as Susan stepping on it. She no longer felt safe. That's my thought anyways I'm sure others have differing opinions.
good point!
:0 Yes. I also felt it was kind of like, whoosh!, she actually craves freedom and adventure. Bright red, in contrast with how she's shown as a less vibrantly acting person?
yes !
Sound reasoning.
Maybe it represent how she is no longer part of the system anymore. Seekers, helpers, and experimenters all wear animal hats as part of their station. When Kara removed Frida's hat, it was showing that she was exposed as a hider and that she was being stripped of her station. Civilians such as Martin and the Hiders do not wear hats.
Remember there was a scen in the beginning of the miniseries where a little girl was playing in a sandcastle. She pretended to be a mom warning her son that if he went outside the ocean he would die. This was foreshadowing the climax at the end where finns mom tried keeping him from leaving.
Joshua Pyun wow I didn't get that
cool I didn't see dat
Joshua Pyun
You know what the best form of foreshadowing is?
The kind that takes fans weeks to notice
It was even a teddy bear.
I've just realised the roots of Finn's fear of the ocean!
Interesting how both Minerva and Martin left their physical body to pursue a basically immortal life. I wonder if finn will follow their route or carve his own?
Roy K. Finn already decided in both "The Comet" and at the end of Islands to not leave his physical body, TWICE, so I don't he'll change his mind later on. But still, I like your idea!
I think Finn is ded
Roy K. He's sixteen I don't think he's really bound to his decision he has plenty of time to change his mind.
fern did he a sword
I mean, finn forever reincarnates..
I feel like Frieda's hair reveal was more of a demeaning moment for her. Her best friend removes the hood almost as a punishment.
yeah it feels like she was exposing her
Or its show she doesn't belong the island or fit the people in it. She looks like them but she want something different - well different then Kara and the other around her.
I thought it was supposed to represent blood
I really liked Elks note about how the hair reveal would have been better placed as a tender moment between her and Susan, not the moment she’s being defeated by Susan
I agree. I think the spot to put the hair reveal was in the “don’t you love this place” scene
Maybe the animal hats were still a symbol of safety, used originally for vamp bites but clearly having stuck around.
The removal of the hat, by Kara's hand, could have symbolised the true removal of that feeling of safety between Freida and Kara within their friendship...
When Finn met his mum, why wouldn't she be curious as to where Martin is?
Why didn't she ask Finn
Leo Kostas
she probably hates his guts now
Leo Kostas at this point she thinks Martin was a hider who selfishly ran away with Finn. She must really hate Martin for that.
Ztrikes
I hope one day Martin can clear things up with her
I think now their both technically immortal so they have time at least. But distance and motivation will be a problem.
Definitely
Frieda's hair reveal seemed to be a vulnerability reveal. Almost how someone's clothes can be torn away (taking something from them and making them vulnerable), the hair reveal seemed to be somewhat related. It removes their "status" or job and makes them human again, showing something more intimate, thus leaving them exposed.
Also it could be likened to a Bloodstain, representing how Frieda feels backstabbed by Kara/Susan
There's also some strong blood imagery, as though stopping her actually injured her in a way.
I wanted Marceline to be recognized as a hero for saving the last humans
She did though...if it wasn't for her, Founder's island wouldn't exist, and the humans numbers would never have recovered. Adding the island doesn't take away from what she did, it adds to a bigger picture.
I know right
@@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398I think he meant like a statue on the island or people talking about her.
The real hero should be Simon because without him, Marcy would just be another blood sucking vampire.
Minerva not knowing Finn was found can be easily explained by the fact that her system of consciousness doesn't extend very far outside of the island as we saw when her and Finn parted ways in VR, so she can't connect with the tech sent to find her son if it leaves that island but the hub island can since it was built for that.
Finn didn't leave immediately. They fade to black, and it's assumed that he spent some time there before the boat scene
He nitpicked over the smallest things way too often, and missed whole scenes and plot points that made his criticisms either cleared up or irrelevant. It's said he spent 3 months with her.
@@FreshAsianSwagg He discussed that he wished they elaborated on that gap. He recognized that it existed. It was a missed opportunity to see them bond after the major climax was resolved.
@@FreshAsianSwagg well, yes, for the Titan it was but not for this part. It'd be better if they cut the scene where Finn wanted to take the Humans to Ooo, and put the time into making at least some still images of Finn and the humans living and having fun together, so the final scene could feel more understandable for Finn's part
@Sun Studios You’re*
@Sun Studios don’t be an asshole
I think the implicaton _was_ that Finn didn't leave right away, we just skipped to the point where he's leaving.
It's said in the storyboard he spent 3 months with her.
i felt that was too obvious since finn himself said he will be staying for a bit
Yea, and this is Why montages or a Word things that says however much time later is important.
You forgot to mention this line of dialogue:
Finn: “Thanks for seeing us off guys”
PB: “Yeah of course. It’s my boat”
Marcy: “And we care about him you dingus! Come on!”
😂I loved that
It was really funny
@Zakk RB yeah no shit, stfu. You've replied this shit in unrelated comments a lot of times
The Guardian was made by Mo, he loved robots being 'human-like' so feeling pain isn't too crazy a concept. Besides the Guardian has probably never experienced pain before so no one but Mo might have known.
Wait so Mo made the guardian right? I don't think he never made a robot without a feeling of emotions. It would make some sense cause doesn't Bmo feel pain. I mean I could be wrong.
@Donald Trump The fire giants were never elaborated on enough in the show to figure out anything about them like that.
@@psychobratt the guardian is the big robot in the water
Mo was no fool he must have considered making robots with combat capabilities to fight off grand threats
the Guardian did have emotions sorta
I was so mindfucked when Alva started speaking Swedish. I'm from Sweden so when I first herd it I did not react because I'm used to watching the Swedish dub. But then I realised that I was watching it in English and I had to go back to understand what was happening! 😂
Elisa Adina I had the same exact experience when watching anime one
haha damn
25:02 also, if you look at the picture Minerva hangs up it says that Martin was a barber, and Durant Elements Jake says they should open a barber shop, therefore meaning Finn got that trait from Martin, just like he got the hero trait from his mom. He says they have been doing haircut therapy since they were kids, so Finn subconsciously knew about his dads job for years
I personally liked this more than Stakes just because this miniseries added more backstory and backstory is my favorite part about Adventure Time.
I loved Islands more than Stakes. Susan's arc made me cry and so did seeing good Martin with baby Finn. I want to know how he turned evil. And it made me hate Season 6 even more after turned him into a god or something, because where else can you take his character after that?
If one thinks about it. The fall of the other two islands could be tied with the epidemic that hit hub island. It's possible that these islands fell because they needed the maintenance of people and resources from the hub island. You could see the transport tubes were broken to stop the spread of the epidemic.
The virtual reality island lost its source of new residents, and the nature island's machines could have malfunctioned due to its lack of resources for its maintenance.
I think that Frieda's hair being revealed was more of a symbol of her dreams being stripped from her, I guess.
butlerkitties
Interesting point of view
butlerkitties yes! Bc unlike everyone else's hair reveal her hair went form shiny to dull. Everyone else's remained shiny
butlerkitties I feel like there's an early draft of the script or a deleted scene where they lay in that only hiders have fabulous hair or that removing someone else's hat is considered horribly dehumanizing or something.
that sort of thing happens all the time.
butlerkitties I thought it was almost highlighting how human she is, really pointing out that she doesn't have gills like the fish people
I think it is simply ironic.
She's not just a little overbearing because "it's her job" she has become completely paranoid and overprotective because she has lost everything that has come close to her and lost her mind especially after merging into an AI , she states that she doesn't even know if she is REALLY her .
I think Susan's apology wasn't as grandiose as you wanted because she had been so unaware of her past for so long... 16 years at least. So, just recently remembering all this stuff made it seem more current to her, and therefore Susan made her apology not as heart felt. I think Frieda had assumed Susan (Kara) was dead all these years so her just coming back was enough for Frieda to drop everything, and live out her dream to leave the island. Also, the guardian being not as menacing as it's cracked up to be makes sense because the humans were so afraid of everything once they got on the island. The seekers probably figured talking it up was enough to detour people from trying escape etc. when they realized that their technology was lacking.
"Oh by the way mom, the husband you assumed dead is still alive and now a space douchebag."
Cubic Complex is he alive though? or is he like at the end of time?
Vloggerihardlyknowher Who knows, but probably worth bringing up :P
..Uhm.. hello fellow.. reply section! Why is it a ghost town~?
martin had the same fate as margles
My theory as to why the Guardian is the way it is, is that the Guardian isn't meant to be some kind of unbeatable defender in the first place. I think it's meant to not only protect the Islands, but also serve as a measure of humanity's ability to survive outside of the Islands. It probably started out in the founders' minds as something like, "Once our society is able to successfully defeat the Guardian, we're ready to spread back out into the new and dangerous world". As the islands developed, the idea of leaving them became more discouraged by whoever was running the place, and the secondary purpose was lost. My idea mostly comes from just the strangness of the Guardians nature, both in that it doesn't seem as powerful as it could be like you said, and that it attacks anyone, regardless of whether or not they are coming or going from the islands.
(Also, Minerva says something along the lines of, "If we were able to get past the Guardian we wouldn't need it to protect us," which probably doesn't mean anything, but sorta ties into this idea.)
Jean Devrie I love this idea
If u guys beat this big robot up u can leave the island
Proceed to make a job of not letting u beat up the guardian
@@bluehen9533 I think what is meant here is that its sorta a final boss before total freedom, in that usually the boss is not the sole obstacle in a game. Unfortunately, people stopped trying to get passed due to fear and only made it harder out of that same fear.
when Finn was a doctor for a day he said that it felt right, like he was ment to be a doctor. Then we learn that his mother was a helper and she acts very much like a doctor. Maybe it was foreshadowing but i thought it was cute and we learn why Finn loves to help others. other than the fact he's a good person, its in his genes
This is a general thing, but was in a clip in the video, but I find it really interesting that Finn has completely accepted his father’s last name.
I don’t know what that says about Finn’s self identity, but I imagine he’s been searching for something to fill this hole in his life, as the ‘last human on ooo’
I feel like there was more to bubblegum's farewell then just being afraid Finn might get urt emotionally again.
I feel like she feared he wouldn't be coming back, leaving her without her hero.
And considering PB has been in total "make sure there are infinite back up plans for the candy kingdom" mode, I think losing her "best soldier" was not really acceptable from her "ruler" perspective.
That's a great take on it!
Would you say that the idea of PB losing her “best soldier” is/was...
*clears throat*
UNACCEPTABLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!!!!?
So basically pb doesnt care about her *champion* she only need him to defend her shit typical pb
"...you're ruler is a piece of gum..."
@@dartanyanthemeow-sketeer8674 the two are not mutually-exclusive concepts.
regarding the fact that Finn left his mum to early, the original storyboard shows (in text) that Finn stays 3 months in the islands before he leaves. But I think your idea of giving a montage of Finn and Min bonding over the said 3 months be better than a simple text.
I really wish that the implication that a lot of time passed made it into the episode in some way. Even text on a black screen saying "3 months later" would have been better than leaving it 100% ambiguous. So weird how that wasn't implemented from the storyboard.
By the way, I'm taking your word for it, but I actually haven't seen this storyboard bit that you're talking about (or if I have, I missed the text). Could you please link it?
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In sort of regard to the final scene of the mini series I feel the final scene establishes the fact finn has closure now he came to the island to get answers not go home he finally got answers about him self and what who exactly he is i'll admit I feel like a lot of it was rushed but I still think its on up then stakes
i would really have liket if one just was them bounding
I'm a bit late to the party but I really wanna talk about the Guardian for a minute.
I don't think he was really meant to be that big of a threat. The way he was made to feel pain and his slow defence made me feel like he was meant to just keep the islanders fearful. obviously, but it kind of reminded me of the whole "god is watching youi" type deal.
For a while, before I saw Martin fuck up its eye, I thought he was a hologram, kind of like that dungeon monster from when Flame Princess and Finn went on a dungeon crawl a few seasons back.
Also, I love how in the beginning of the mini series, they foreshadowed the climax of the series.
The little girl goes on to warn her son that going outside the ocean would kill him. Finns mum goes on about how if he leave hell die, hell be in danger she tries to manipulate him to stay with her, away from the dangers of Ooo.
Who can blame her though. she was brought up to believe that outside there is nothing but death and danger, that nothing other than the islands exist. She loses her family to these so called dangers, and her son returns. Telling/showing her all the dangerous things hes been doing for the past 17/18 years of his life (I think? then again he might be 16/17).
When you look deeper into the symbolism and the metaphors, you come to realise actually how awesome the series was. on a surface level, its a little bit underwhelming but when you really really go deep, its fucking just wow.
hopefully you guys get what I mean, I'm struggling to fully flesh out what I'm trying to say, since I'm in the middle of anxiety attack and its like 2am. haha.
Boy
How about me be a bit late. What if the destruction of the guardian was why Martin was in the citadel
Yeah that’s exactly what I was thinking like what if he’s just there to intimidate the Islanders and keep them on the Island out of fear and doesn’t actually have a lot of functions.
It’s terrifying that Adventure Time overshadowed a pandemic, quarantine, and frontliners within a few sentences.
“We tried to consolidate and quarantine everyone on Founder’s Island. The fatality rate for citizens rose to 62%, but the fatality rate of Helpers, those who faced the virus daily, was 100%.”
i was just thinking abt this
This is kinda exactly how every pandemic ever is
I’m now gonna think about this for the rest of my life-
Pandemic already happened a few times in the past
the idea of a plague exists yknow
The part with the hair is about how Cara / Susan is the one to remove the hat off Freeta and it is a violation. Freeta didn't choose to take that hat off and her hair aka her beauty was shown without her choice.
The feeling like a violation was definitely there. Just Kara's hand (while the rest of her is out-of-frame) slowly creeping up on Frieda felt violating, and the scenario nearly horror movie-like. The slow-mo hair sway still just ends up making me tilt my head to the side though every time I see it.
Agreed it's basically the kid friendly version of if Susan had torn off her shirt, showing the brutal indifference her implant imposed to inflict such a thing on her friend, but as an added bonus unlike breasts focusing on revealed ahir allows you to really focus on it without the lewd undertones,
There is one thing I can't understand in The Islands. How isn't "HOT BREAD STICKS WHAT WE MAKE, WE DON'T BAKE PIE AND WE DON'T BAKE CAKE" Finn's first words? I would love to see something like this in the flashback of the episode Boom Boom Mountain.
I read this comment only just now and i'm cackling quite a bit from it. This definitely needs to be canon in some way or another.
In the promo art with Martin, we can see that his head is bleeding, a part of me believes that Martin may have hit his head so bad to the point where he lost his memory (or at least some of it), warping how he views things.
Due to this memory loss, Martin may have gained a new identity afterwards, creating the criminal he is today
I kinda want a small series about what happen to Martin (in the distant lands series)
Yep I personally think it’s brain injury plus trauma
I feel that the trauma of losing his baby son and seeing no real way that Finn could have survived caused a psychotic break of sorts
the brain does weird shit to protect itself from being destroyed by trauma:
The only way for Martin to survive losing Finn was for his brain to CONVINCE HIMSELF NOT TO CARE
@@MugruncherI disagree. Although a head injury is no laughing matter let along a concussion, I still think Martin is the jerk that he always was, breaking promises and abandoning loved ones just like he did to Finn and Minerva.
@@Mrcharles. yeah I mean he was kind of already a dick, that’s fair
I think the head injury and trauma made it worse tho. Like maybe he could’ve become better but got worse instead
@@MugruncherIn Fionna And Cake we see Martin's version which surprise is not dick. But he also doesn’t have his own Finn.
I interpreted Frieda's hair reveal as a direct and intended loss of safety. The animal hats are historic to humans for the safety against vampires from when they were on the mainland. I'm sure if we had the chance to see it, the hats meanings have changed, but to us as viewers, the hats are known to us as a sense of safety. Kara, who is supposed to be an agent of safety, removed that notion with Frieda's hat, and then literally destroyed her dream. It also highlighted that Frieda doesn't have an circuitry on the side of her head where Kara does
It also felt kinda odd to me that, given how overprotective and fearful Minerva was about Finn returning back to the outside world was, the fact that he was literally MISSING AN ARM, never came up (WE know Finn likes his cyber arm better, but Minerva wouldn't; to her it would be even more proof that the outside world was dangerous and unsafe)
Yeeeeeah...good point. She should've at least commented on that.
Though she did see the moment he first lost his arm in one of the memories on the screen, so maybe she didn't feel the need to single it out. It all fell into the category of "outside world is dangerous and bad for you."
Minerva:"WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR ARM!?"
Finn:"Dad happened."
Minerva:"(sigh) Of course he did."
I feel like they almost didn’t want to develop her character any further than they did for whatever reason.
Unfair for her to mention it when she has robotic clones
I do wonder if she didn’t mention it because the creators didn’t want to paint having one arm as a bad thing, in case any of the viewers had one arm, so they focused on the more unrealistic dangers of Ooo
At the end of Stakes, I felt a bit frustrated because it felt like nothing had really changed. I know that was the part of the message, but I just couldn't help feeling that we were back where we started. I left Islands feeling a lot more satisfied.
Also I don't think Minerva's body was physically preserved, I think she was literally converted into the data that powers the AI.
Jared Hall
That's a fair point.
But at least we know Marcy has grown from that experience
The thing with that though, is that we never really got the feeling that Marcy was unhappy with her vampire powers before. That felt like something just introduced in the miniseries. So even though she did grow from the experience, it felt less authentic.
She juiced herself...she is physically dead.
Jared Hall islands did the same thing as stakes you remember how surprised people were when marcline did not want to be a vampire got it taken away a became a vampire again. islands finn actually wanted to leave the island not wanting to be the last human in ooo, bring a piece of what was literary the whole series and nothing really change at the end of the day both of these series bring the characters right back where they started with only slight difference
she was going to die anyway because of that disease, so juicing herself was for the best, since Finn could communicate with her.
I know this is a year old video, but I wanted to comment on something I thought of while watching it. We see that PB is reluctant to have Finn leave on his journey, and while this could easily just be worry for her friend and reliable defender going off into the unknown, I thought of a possible other reason. What if PB at this point doesn’t have faith in humankind? After all, she’s a researcher at heart, so she very well could have learned great detail about human civilization before the mushroom war. For someone who rules a race of docile, eternally happy, can literally die from stress candy people, our society might seem cruel or inherently destructive, or maybe even evil. Plus, the whole mushroom war thing was caused by humanity in the first place.
She probably wouldn’t be afraid of Finn finding a completely destroyed society and falling into despair since there is ample evidence that human society still exists given the existence of at least two relatively young humans living in Ooo who had to have come from somewhere (and the 16/30 odd years that Finn and Susan have been alive would be an improbably short amount of time for a society to collapse), but perhaps instead she’s worried that Finn will find a morally flawed society similar to the one that brought about the cataclysmic mushroom war.
Had this been the case, there would likely be three main worst case scenarios for PB to ruminate on: Finn being hurt or killed by the other humans, Finn (righteous hero that he is) having an existential crisis, and Finn adopting destructive tendencies himself.
The first scenario is an obvious worry, so I won’t go on about it. The second is a very reasonable fear because PB has seen Finn go through something similar after all his dealings with his father. The third is the one that I want to go into detail about.
Does PB believe that Finn is capable or even prone to the violence demonstrated by the humans of the past? He is, after all, a fighter. A fighter for good, but a fighter nonetheless. We’ve already seen how she was with the rattleballs, might she fear Finn in the same way? Might she believe that humanity has an inherently violent nature that was only tempered by him being raised his whole life in a nonhuman society?
Think about everything that PB has experienced firsthand regarding humans. Other than the aftermath of the mushroom war, she’s only had a few individuals to observe, and there are many negative experiences to consider. Ice King she likely no longer considers as truly human after his magical corruption, and Betty at this time was also in the midst of the magic hat making her behave erratically. Martin was carefree to the point of being morally deficit, and the only other humans that PB would know about are Finn himself, Susan, and Dr. Gross.
Let’s talk about those last two for a moment. Dr. Gross attempted to have Finn and Jake augmented against their will, and attacked them when they resisted, and PB had been witness to Susan being controlled by her cybernetic augmentations and becoming extremely violent. It wouldn’t be an unreasonable fear that the unknown human society that Finn was searching for would be filled with humans like Susan who are literally built to be mindless fighters and like Dr. Gross who are willing and able to alter Finn in the same way.
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There was honestly no real hype-up for the Guardian. The characters portray it as their protector of the island that keeps evil out, not some over-powered robot with weapons of mass destruction. Plus, he mostly kept humans from leaving the island and they all traveled by boat, so it makes sense as to why he only chops
as far a Minerva not being aware of Finn, it seemed like she wasn't very aware in general. four new people arriving on an island where every ones health and safety is managed by on entity should have been noticed right away and dealt with immediately. yet they were only noticed when Jake started making a fuss. plus, when fin talks to the Minerva bot it pretends to listen but quite obviously isn't actually. as well as, when she hugs fin she doesn't fluidly control the Minerva bot she has to verbally command it to do so. it doesn't seem like she's actually aware of much of the minutia the bots go through. it seems like the bots act independently by predicting how she would react and Minerva herself only managing the broad strokes.
also, from how her "body" is presented. she only needed one tower to download her essence but when fin arrives she has a whole farm of them immersed in coolant. for one individual managing that much data must be difficult. she has had to upgrade or modify herself to do so. which makes Finn's question of if she is still the same person a bit more poignant.
I understand what you said and agree with it to some extent, but I dunno, I felt as if Finn's mother resolution was done appropriately. In my opinion Finn's actually mother is gone, and now he has a program of her to kind of look to to kind of understand who she was and find some closure, but dwelling on her existence would've been unhealthy, which is why he left.
Tyrique Smith She's dead and he barely knows her so it's easy for him to move on just like Martin.
Tyrique Smith no.
I honestly see no real reason why she can't set up a long distance signal to talk to him. She is no more unliving than BMO.
A little late, Finn stays 3 months on the island, they say that in Orb, also, yes, Minnerva, as a person, is gone, what is left it's an AI exactly as Minnerva was, but it's not her.
Well said! I didnt think of that, but now that you did, it made sense for the less emotional feels we all had expected to receive from the show
U see Martin there With his head bleeding,I think that's why Martin is acting bad/bitchy in the future
Once he destroys the guardian eye,he was yeeted in the ocean,And the pirates(28:08) was showing his fingers
Meaning to see of his brain is damaged(his head was also bleeding...so ya)
I think that's why martin is acting bitchy and sometimes weird or whateve
Actually it makes sense for the Gaurdian to feel pain. As we've seen all around Ooo and other places, every robot we see has Artificial Intelligence, so it would make sense that when making the AI's, they would also add something that simulates emotions and feelings so that the robots wouldn't turn on Humans. So when the Gaurdian's eye is broken, that eye shuts down permanently and part of it breaks, possibly causing it to short circuit, and for robots, short circuiting would be the equivalent of pain. In conclusion, the Gaurdian feeling pain makes sense
Frieda's slow- mo shot is actually a really significant representation of the sharp turn humankind has made. The animal hats they wore can be interpreted as an icon for the new-founded humans, so those who do not wear said hats are opposed to the ideals or "hiders" (not necessarily everybody because of the senior citizens). Take a moment to think that Susan, in this case, is the representation of the new-found ideals of humans that is re-assured "safety" inside a technological haven while Frieda represents the conservative curious spirit humankind once had (not to mention that it's the motivation that drove Two-bread Tom and his people to the islands in the first place); the moment she took of her hat marks the separation of humankind, the division of wondering curiosity, even in the face of certain danger (that is the trait of humanity during the dawn of civilization), to the fears of death, risking the adventures this world has to offer, hiding in the name of wisdom. Ironic to think that the new-found humans are represented as animal hats that symbolized that they have reverted back to instinctive nature just as animals - content on being alive in a life void of excitement and discovery.
In regards to Minerva being aware of Finn, I would counter by saying that all the systems in the seeker island were abandoned after the virus broke out from the Dr's lab. I would hazard a guess that the ship only arrived to pick Susan up because it was an automated response, and that Minerva is no longer interfaced with that he spans due to the lack of anyone to help on that island anymore.
Additionally, I would assume that Finn spent longer than just a single day with his mom, allowing for a deeper relationship between the two. However, I do agree that they should have elaborated on the time they assuredly spent together.
Minerva choosing to not be part of that interface at all while the interface remains entirely functional - that continues to not sit quite right with me (especially since like I said, Seeker X-J-7-7 never returned either).
I'd qualify it as a very minor nitpick, but I can't overlook it entirely because when Minerva first met Finn, I immediately wondered why she's not interfaced with the Seeker system. So since it distracted me in the moment, that's why I ended up choosing to discuss it instead of letting it slide.
"the ability to feel pain is not a weakness. It’s a strength. Pain tells
a creature its vulnerabilities, and not you expose them to attack." - Yu Yu Hakusho.
Its theorised by the blood Martin has in promo art, that he had brain damage and turned even bigger con-man, with no regard for anyone but himself.
The Seeker system seems to be based on Hub island, and Hub island doesn't seem to be connected to the main island anymore. It was also run by Dr. Gross, not Minerva, so there's no reason to expect she has the credentials to even access it.
The guardian proboably feels pain because it was made like all the other robots made by Moe. He wants them to fell like they're alive like a human that can feel pain and proboably emotions.
maybe Fin did stay for a while but they didn't show it. the seeker program might have been automatic and Fin's mom wouldn't have need to connect to that system.
oh my god I rewatched marceline checking Susan out twenty times! I couldn't believe it
Aly Arelie
We are reaching levels of gay that shouldn't even be possible!!!
WHY DO I SEE ALL CHARACTERS AS REALLY CLOSE FRIENDS!!!!!
James Twinn, because you're innocent.
The rest of the internet on the other hand..... Ehhh....
James Twinn do you say good morning like that to your good pals, bc......
all the time... that kind of flattery brightens everyone day
There was a title card for the Min and Marty episode that showed Marty with a bleeding head on what I assume to be a pirate boat. What I theorize from this is that Marty after destroying the Guardian's one eye got a concussion from the explosion causing him to have amnesia of some sorts, which explains why he had such a foggy memory the last time he saw Finn on tiny raft. Marty wasn't lying about what happened when he left Finn, but his memory wasn't clear enough to know his own son, which is why he didn't recognize Finn or even knew he had a son in the first place at the Citadel. But with all that being said, this very tragic for the Merten's family, Min not knowing what truly happened to his husband and son assuming he was a hider when he was actually trying to protect the family from his mistakes a long time ago, Marty forgetting everything good that ever happened to him causing him to go back to his old con man ways, and Finn becoming an orphan as a result of this and not being able to be with his true family as a child.
While that hypothesis does explain a lot, I'm not fond of using the amnesia trope for this specific scenario. Especially since we've had Fern already suffering semi-amnesia to boot.
I don't I think it's memory loss more so brain damage. When their is a injury to the head you never know how it will effect the brain. I'm not saying Marty banged his head and now he's a bad person, I'm saying he banged his head caused some damage to his mentality probably tried to find Finn in what I assume was not in the most legal of ways, probably recovered in a negative environment and tried to survive too but things just got jumbled along the way. What probley began as a quest of a loving father turned it what's the next score for a con.
Uncivilized Elk I see what you mean but again this is really the only theory that seems viable to me without anything else shown between Marty losing Finn and the Marty we see now. Maybe he didn't really lose his memory which would still beg to question what happened to him that caused him to be an asshole. All the possibilities with this make me want Marty back because this series made me really like Marty before he was an asshole of course.
The hair thing is about how Freda no longer has any place in the society. Up to then, she could've just blended back in, but that represents the point of no return.
I know this was 3 years ago, but I think it was closer to her lost of any chance of freedom. She DID return back to society, but she could never attempt to escape again, that is until susan comes back.
Frida's fabulous hair is blood
Kara tore off her symbol of traditional protection, and the bright red dyes the area around them as if she has been gravely injured and the splatter colored the scene. Symbolic, but child friendly
I didn't really feel the romantic vibe. Frida and Susan are childhood friends and are now happy to have one another back in their lives. Their ending hug is something I would definitely do with an out of touch old friend, even if our apologies were weak and odd.
I was surprised at how Finn and his mom barely talked - not even about Martin. I was hoping there would be another episode of Finn exploring the human island and their strange culture. Maybe getting to know why Min has and accent and why she choose to be a helper.
Lastly, in the Adventure Time maker's defense, Finn is good at giving inspirational speeches. Back in the day, he convinced all the minor demons that they were being treated wrongly with an awkward rap. It was funny, but important. Imagine being a tortured demon all your life and a human comes in and persuades everyone to live freely. He has that kind of con-man like "power".
Never thought of it that way. Something he inherited from Martin, perhaps? Only in Finn's case, he uses it for good and to help people, rather than for selfish personal gain.
Let's be glad he isn't Martin.
Dude, the rap wasn't awkward
Honestly, I thought "Islands" was far, FAR better than what we got in "Stakes." "Islands" actually gave us some definitive, concrete answers, whereas "Stakes" only brought up more questions than answers.
Definitely agreed
*yes*
It's been 4 years since you posted this comment, but I 100% agree. Stakes was just unsatisfying for what we got.
@@hawktalon7890 stakes series is so much fun but it doesnt give us answers maybe island not so much fun than stakes but island give us so many answers
@@freesteylerr082 Exactly what I thought.
ngl I watch all these megaseries reviews while studying and doing schoolwork because of quarantine. idk what it is about this man but it's nice to have him ramble about adventure time lore in the background. :)
It's also sort of implied that Minerva and Dr gross were good friends and it was when Minerva was absorbed by grief that Dr gross didn't have anyone's kindness to stop her madness.
That is a pretty good theory
I honestly liked islands better. Though stakes had better music and a few good characters. But overall I like islands more.
I think Charlie might be regretting absorbing her future wisdom. In comparison to T.V
who is an immature manchild, he at least has organic character growth, albeit slow growth, whereas Charlie skipped a few essential steps.
I feel Charlie has lost all motivation to create new experiences as she is tired with life. She even greets Jake with a general apathy with tired responses that seem to just go through the motions.
shes wise and content, yet it seems like a curse, it sets up boredom in her life and she seems to not want to do anything, and knowing that dogs live short and rainacorns live long makes it even more worrying
I swear, I can watch your videos over and over again and still want to watch them again. There’s just something about how you convey the stories of the episodes. It’s truly astounding
I think the reason they wanted to sail there was since Finn was no longer scared of the sea he finally wanted to appreciate it.
Two people dont meet in space just by coincidence. That is literally less likely than winning the lottery every day of your life.
Idk man space isnt that big.
christopher crafte space is literally infinitely big
No it is not, if it was it wouldn't be expanding which we know it is.
Dan Smith much to learn you still have, young padawan. It is infinitely big AND expanding. I dont want to explain it to you, so check out the youtube channel "PBS spacetime". Start with some of the older videos though, they get progressively more complicated.
On one hand we have ridiculous (cartoon) coincidence... and on the other hand it's having the power to bend the universe to your will.
Sooooo... y'know.
The episode poked fun at itself over that whole scenario and how ridiculous it is either way (and personally I really like how it did it).
I just want Martin and min to reunite. I feel like Martin got brain damage after injuring the guardian
I accidentally saw the episode after the islands group and freaked out when Finn talked about having fun on the islands. I hadn't realized that I had missed what I thought was one episode, so I immediately stopped the episode I was watching and looked for the other one, freaking out even more when I found out it wasn't just one episode I missed.
She didn’t know that Finn was located because they aren’t attached to that islands tech. Nobody was there to witness it because it was abandoned by the humans. Just because she has tech doesn’t mean she is the actual internet. She doesn’t have access to nature island, and she doesn’t have access to ooo. She’s strictly connected to this island.
I noticed you didn't mention how billy somehow knew about finn's father being alive. I mean im pretty sure we all remember that billy was the one that told finn about martin being in the citadel. Im just saying I feel that it should've been touched on since the island mini series didn't mention billy. Either billy met martin and they just didn't show us or we have a serious continuity error.
Mega Crash The Hedgehog omg... I never even thought of this..
So much stuff to still mention! Yeah, that is a really good one, though the hand-waving answer could simply be that Billy became a cosmic presence after death or some jazz like that... since he did manifest to Finn in the stars in a Mufasa-like way and all.
When his manifestation already doesn't make too much sense when taken literally, it's not much of an extra stretch to also make him know about Finn's father.
Uncivilized Elk yeah I did think about that. Billy might have became a cosmic presence and like in most fiction that would make sense on how he knew about Martin. So you make an interesting point.
Okay, I will not give you a source on this, but I am pretty sure that according to some older storyboards (Martin was originally supposed to be introduced at the end of season 4, not 5), it was Billy himself who put Martin into the Citadel.
Vilkku oh, well I guess that makes sense. But why would Billy put Martin in the citadel, it sorta answers my question but it doesn't make a lot of sense.
the guardians pain receptors make total sence, its a one of a kind robot and pain exists for self preservation, it needed to defend itself and keep itselfs in service because of what it represented to the society and that seems to be what keeps hiders scared.
SyrusTheDemon
Yeah, not feeling pain is one of the worst powers u can give a person or robot.
That scene with Susan/Chara/X-J-7-7 destroying her best friends ship that would've helped her achieve her dream actually reminded me of a certain scene in Wreck It Ralph. When Ralph was trucked by King Candy into smashing his best friend, Vanellope's, racing car, which would have helped her escape her old life and helped her achieved the dream she wanted to achieve for years. It's kind of amazing how closely both scenes resemble each other
The islands really hit me emotionally especially Fin's mom and dad situation.
This had some of the most holy shit moments since Holly Jolly Secrets.
nah i think that goes to the intro eps of season 6
Wilfred Cthulu is yup
Wilfred Cthulu hi again
Susan: Finn we’re gonna see your momma.
Me: HOLY SHIT!!!
sladikk, What?
BMO in the fourth episode is a living Jojo reference
no
being buff isn't from jojo's bruh
Oh I’m intrigued
Hazzah , man of culture
It's a mix of 2 memes
@Starry Nights ayayaya, *STFU* *BEING ANNOYING IS NOT A PERSONALITY TRAIT*
How...?
i love how your reviews always gives me chills when you point out stuff that I didn't notice
When it comes to Minerva, I think it's really right that Finn doesn't really respond to her with the same level of love and excitement as she does to him. Coming form a similar situation of being adopted as a baby, if I were to meet the people who birthed me, I think I would be super uncomfortable, and if they acted like she did, it would be even worse. Sure Finn was really looking forward to it, but at the end of the day, Margret is his mother since she's the one who raised and took care of him, and I wouldn't be surprised if inside, Finn realized that after meeting her.
The symbol that the helpers have which replaces the [+"cross"] in the real world with a T is a bit of a reference to the immune system and the T helper cells :). The Thelper system provides support in the body and can be affected by specific diseases [like in the show, where the mortality was 100% for helpers/ HIV also eventually kills the body that way, but its a bit more targeted than in the the show]. This is just some little trivia that I thought was cool and probably many people don't know about.
Also if you were as "evil" as martin wouldn't you think you'd gain an abnormal amount of powerful enemies from your actions?
Enemies willing to use your son if they were to find one exists?
Wouldn't it be better to distance yourself from your loved ones for their safety to avoid association?
Of course in the beginning people normally would attempt to live that life until the threat became seemingly more real, that or Marlin would see the example of someone being punished indirectly through familia murder/torture/slavery.
If the guardian is made by Moe, then of course it feels pain, all his robots are alive.
Yeah kinda but looks like The Guardian is made to not have emotions but only an mission
I'm just kind of amazed at the fact that Finn somehow stayed on the raft as a baby, all the way to Ooo, especially with the guardian making such waves. and how did he make it to the boom boom leaf? It would be interesting to see that journey, which could potentially provide backstory for his old fear of the ocean
Don't kill me but I preferred Islands to Stakes.
Matthew Plays I agree. Sorry "stakes!" fans, I just was a bit more interested in "islands"
Matthew Plays I f*cking loved Islands 5x more than Stakes. Sorry Stakes fans. Islands was my favourite mini series.
Get knife
ikr! stakes are just... edgy
I think stakes lacked the marceline backstory I was hoping for - I found islands to way more in depth and satisfying. I wanted to know about the humans and they did it in my favorite way possible. Islands is my favorite part of the entire show
The slo-mo shot of fritas hair is weirdly placed, but shows she has a free spirit like Finn I guess. good video altogether!
I had never noticed the MoCo and the Two-Bread Tom references before! They significantly expanded my thoughts on these episodes! Thanks for pointing these little details out
Min and Marty is the only adventure time episode to get me to cry.
Been waiting for your review since I watched it a couple of weeks ago, it feels really good knowing other people love to watch this show.
Juan Merida I know, right?! It seems like people very rarely talk about "Adventure Time" anymore. :(
Juan Merida It took me a while to find a channel that reviewed this series. I have so many questions..
I loved this! It should've been a movie!
Joshua Pyun
It kinda is, it's total length is about 1:30 hours
I had that thought too.
26:14 To be fair, Finn DOES have Astral projection. He’s just not that good at controlling it.
I think the Slo Mo when Susan pulled off Frieta's hat was symbolism for Frieta losing her hope for freedom.
Personally, I disagree with all your criticisms. But hey, we all have our own opinions.
Daniel Schultz | But hey, at least we respect each other's opinions here. There's no justification here that says his analysis were completely correct. But hey, it's a cartoon… a cartoon we'll all miss watching because it's ending sooner than you think.
I thought the Freda scene felt right. it really worked for me.
Daniel Schultz Hey, I disagree with you disagreeing with his criticisms. But we all have our own opinions. Just thought I'd point that out.
I kinda hate when people say "i dissagre with you but i will not tell you why". Its like causing troubles on purpose
@@G.P.M_7 same
As a swede I loved watching Alva speak and then explaining to my friends what she said.
13:29 I wonder if this is a reference to one of the Adventure Time comics where BMO makes creepy robot versions of Finn and Jake. 🤔
i love how u totally bypassed the fact the bonnie was wearing marcys jacket 💀
If he was adopted as a baby how did his name remained Finn?
Oh, that's right. :P
And then he found out his real surname when his wish to Prismo changed the entire reality.
Matheus Mzillax the wiki said that there was a tag on the on finns bear that probably has his name on it
This entire video is as long as half the Island mini series
I imagine that the virtual world has ai strong enough to create a artificial version of the players once they die, so the last person in the game world would never know that they're alone.
Also, maybe the little helpers have the objective not only to keep humans comfortable, but to keep the species going.
Your last sentence would make the whole thing even more creepy for me.
minerva didnt know it was finn for sure until she did a dna test. others could have tried to use the fact that shes missing her son to get closer to her research.
the fact that finn's mother was a doctor gives a new perspective to "do no harm" when finn says that it feels right to be a doctor.
They should've downloaded some of Minerva into B-Mo.
Virgo Heart her wifi doesn't reach ooo so that would have been pointless
Funny how back when the show started a single surviving human other than Finn being seen was a big lore revelation that has a thousand theories done on it but now finding out about a whole group/colony of humans who survived the mushroom war is no big deal in the slightest
It seems like Minerva has died of the virus and the person Fin meets is just a helper AI based on her consciousness. They only dedicated like 1 exchange between the two to that, and it could have made things more bittersweet if they lingered on that state of affairs more.
I loved Cara's/Susan's backstory but how did she end up with her fish people and what are they?
maybe the fish people are dr. gross experiments that was freed by an unknown intruder (susan) at some point then was attacked by the guardian? or other creations of dr. g thus leading to her deactivated implant duo to overload
The Green Prince02 *Hyoomans
It's Hyoomans, check wiki.
in the animatic on the DVD it is shown that there is a 3 month gap between Finn saying he doesn't have to leave immediately and everyone getting on the boat
"I hope no one watched islands before do no harm.." oh shit, thats me
Thing is finns mom was AI in this episode and his real mom was dead and I think finn understood that... Margaret was his real mom and jake is family...and
jermain (no matter how obtuse a character) so his life and loves were back on the mainland ...I think this mini series made sense when factoring the nuances