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The Square Twist box Model used in the race:
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It's time to Race! In today's video we see who's faster printing a simple Square twist box model. The contenders are the Formbot Raptor 2, Creality Ender 3, Prusa MK3S, Prusa Mini.
The Model listed above is the model I used for the testing, If you print it please time your results and report back here! Please include your printer, Mods, Time and slicer profile type.
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I’ll tell you that you won for a great video. Congrats!
Legend has it that the Ender 3 is still working on this print, as of 2030
Great video!
Would’ve really been nice to see all the results side-by-side to get a quick comparison of print quality as well.
Without that this is useless.
Great comparison video. Thank you. I wonder of you plan on how to assemble the Prusa mini, because it comes as a kit. I hope it is easy. Anyway - you helped me select the mini as my first 3D printer.
This is so good, thank you for making this video. Interesting how fast the mini starts up, and how slow the ender 3 is!
Nice comparrison, I'm going to try your file on my BCN3D Sigma with Simplify 3D.
Nice test! I will try to print one day when there is free time on the bed. One question. how much time the cura slicer gives you for the ender 3? Mine gives 2 hours and 46 minutes. Its always accurate when I print
With Cura it depends on the version. Earlier versions were quicker. Also it depends on your settings, I printed at .2 layer height 20% infill 4 bottom and top layers, only one slow layer and default speeds. To equal what Prusa Slicer does by default. Cura spit out something like 6 hours. It’s partly due to slicer pathing and partly due to not being able to get to some speed settings that Prusa slicer has.
Really interesting! What is the music in the mini-video at the end?
Thanks for a great video! I own 3 of the 4 you tested.... I don't think I need the raptor... I converted my Ender to DD, which I love. You have me curious on the speeds in Prusaslicer.
nice one!
Hey Zelrick, thanks for the video , I'm currently debating whether to get the ender 3 pro or the prusa MINI. current considerations are the cost to print quality, and after looking around am seriously considering spending an extra hundred dollars on the prusa. I mean , I was until I watched the end of the video with the new slicer being used on the ender! Lol. again , thanks for the video and have a great week
If it's your first get the Prusa, you will thank yourself and never miss the $
I've been debating on that exact same thing. Up here in Canada, the Ender 3 is ~$300, and the Prusa Mini is ~$500. Pretty big price difference. I'd be curious to know which one you are going for.
@@Zelrick42 I got the Ender 3 Pro as my first and followed a TH-cam build tutorial to get it set up just right. I think it's great as a first get because the Ender 3 has soooo much support online that any problem you have is extensively documented.
What are your settings in prusa slicer to make the twist box on the ender 3 with PLA?
If you use the Creality slicer and use the layer height of 0.15mm you will get faster speeds than on the Prusa slicer. Also, that's the same layer height that the prusa slicer uses for the prusa mini so it should be the same resolution
Hi, thank you for great video. I have Prusa slicer installed but I haven't used it yet. After watching your video, I was tempted to slicing that same lithophan (~ 24 h printing) in cura and prusa slicer. Time of printing was similar but ... prusa 0.12, cura 0.16 but when I set both programs to 0.2 the difference was 6 hours (wow). Now i printing g-code from cura but i will make one more, similar lithophan and i want to try with prusa. Are the dedicated settings for ender 3 pro in prusa slicer OK? Can you share your prusa profile for ender 3 pro? If you can i say thank you. I'm not expert, it's my hobby and i'm still and I'm still learning with great pleasure.
The Prusa Slicer beta defaults are pretty good and faster than Cura. I can't really share my profile due to using a beta version of Prusa Slicer and having it set up to take advantage of the dual gear extruder and a few other things I have set in the firmware. A stock Ender 3 probably wouldn't work well with it.
@@Zelrick42 ok so i will try to print some parts in prusa with the default settings and see what it looks like and then try the second lithophane. I'll let you know here.
_Monter_ Any success??
LOL I was gonna comment even before you mentiond not running to the comments, but then thought better of it - and now as I'm writing this comment while continuing this video I see that we've come to the same conclusion:
It is super interesting that the mini was quicker than the mk3s, but became easier to explain once I got over the pricing of either. My main expectation is better acceleration values due to the weight
Maybe an interesting test would be to compare big cube (so long straight lines) vs something with a lot of directional switches. Either something using Hilbert curve extensively, or something like the Top Part of the knurled twist container, which on my mk3s took double the amount of time the bottom part took, while weighing only ~2/3 as much
Regarding the slicer thing - I've only ever used gcode from prusa slicer but I've palyed around with both cura and ps extensively and I'm having a hard time finding reasons to recommend Cura unless there is no PS profile for your printer. Even the UI infuriates me
BelviGER i am doing more testing. Thank you for the suggestions, I’m also finding that the board on the MK3 can be a limiting factor on complex files. Cura VS Prusa Slicer is something I don’t get into, I use them both they each do things the other doesn’t.
Very interesting your videos, I would like to ask you please the configuration of the ender3, using prusaslicer, because I cannot make it print well, thank you very much
Now that Prusa Slicer 2.2 is live, I have another video in the works.
@@Zelrick42 I´ll be waiting for thanks
@@Zelrick42 is it up?
JGAurora A5 Cura time 4:01 Prusa Slicer time 1:59 and better quality
did you buy 4 identical smartphones especially for this test? Wow! Thanks. 🙏
He could have, you know, recorded them all at separate times.
I want to get into 3dp as a hobby and currently plan to buy a Prusa Mini in about 2-3 months. Now, with me being a student and due to some limitations of my apartment, the Mini is likely going to sit fairly close to my washing machine. Is this a problem? If so, what's the best (cheap) way to dampen the vibrations in order to omit these problems?
I don't know if it will be a problem, but I would guess that unless you are placing the Mini right on top of the washer you'll be fine. I Print with two other printers on the same rolling cabinet and haven't seen any issues from vibration. If you do, someone will have designed some vibe dampening feet to try.
@@Zelrick42 Thanks; mabe I'll print a benchy or two while the washing machine is spinning its drum at full speed, just as a test.
If you want some peace of mind, check out how Prusa has isntalled their print farm.
All their printers are aligned on continuous shelves, there is no massive bracing for the shelving units, and they run 90+ Printers simultaniously per shelving unit.
A washing machine that is not connected to the printer (except via the floor which barely counts) shouldn't be able to inflict more issues than the potential of 89 printers being in sync on the y axis and whacking that one printer that isn't in sync
I'd wager that as long as you don't place the printer directly on the washing machine while its in fast spinning mode you won't notice a thing. Especially after you put a rubber dampening matt under the printer to reduce resonances
@npgoalkeeper _ It'll go on a shelf that's close to the washing machine.
@@BelviGER Good point, thank you.
What Layer height you print them at?
.2 layer height. Can't wait to see your results
Watching this makes me wonder if I should cancel my the backordered Prusa I ordered and buy and modify a Ender 3...
I think it would depend how comfortable you feel with trying to fix issues that pop up. The ender 3 would take a lot more work
@@mholder1324 I did a bit more research and did cancel my Prusa order and bought a Sidewinder x1. It seems Creality really did a great job of releasing a quality printer at a cheap price a couple of years ago. Though it seems they have stagnated a bit. Going with a Sidewinder X1 that has most of the features that I wanted, without a huge price and the headaches seemed to be the best idea.
@@SolarityTechnology Nice, let me know how setting it up/running it goes. I'm still trying to decide between printers myself. As much as I want a Prusa the wait time is too long
@@mholder1324 Yeah, it was a little to long for me as well. I started watching more videos, that was my issue. I plan to post a video on my channel, about the experience "A n00b buys a 3D printer in 2020".
@@mholder1324 my ender is reliable. No problems after 400hrs
Is the prusa mini produce the same end quality result like the prusa mk3s ?
The results are a toss up. The Mini occasionally edges out the MK3, but the MK3 will do a slight bit better with complicated prints. I would not choose between them on print quality or speed. Build volume is the only real difference to choose on.
Due to the price, I would like to have several Minis, but would want a couple MK3 for those prints that just won't fit on the Mini.
@@Zelrick42 thank you for the quick supportive reply :)
Use Repetier host. Use the curaengine slicer inside Repetier host. Prints are twice as fast and same quality.
Sorry forgot to say. This is for the ender 3
Why do you keep referencing the physical print/model as a file? The file is what's stored on the computer... had me super confused at first.
Because muricans
I’m Murican 🇺🇸, yet I don’t do it. Your theory is flawed. 😂
wast the profile for the ender 3 ever released?
No Prusa, keeps updating the Slicer, but basically you use the prusa mini speed settings and you need at least a dual gear extruder to keep up with the retractions
what was the acceleration for each machines ? thank you
Except for Frank (the Raptor) they are all at stock settings. I did a lot of experimenting with acceleration for the Ender and while I could speed the thing up, raising it caused dimensional problems with the prints. My goal with this ender is to get it print at speeds close to the MK3s while maintaining an accuracy of .2mm or less on all axises. The ender currently has many new upgrades and I'm working on a video exploring the volumetric speed settings in Prusa Slicer.
2:13 point
Just DISABLE acceleration/jerk control in Cura. Now it will be fast as the firmware
I guess the firmware has limitations the other machines don't have?
There is a bit of that, acceleration is capped lower on the Ender 3. Secondly the extrusion system can’t keep up, with consistency, to the others, even I remove the acceleration restrictions.
@@Zelrick42 Yeah it really needs a good dual gear bowden or direct drive system, the voron bowden drive systens are cool. but there are plenty of options for an ender.
PS: i just bought a Kingroon KP3S, seemed like a fun little machine, what do you think?
why not at 200mm/s for the prusa. That's what the specs say.
I was using the Slicer default’s. 200mms means little anyhow, you can set the default speed to 200 but the printer will never reach it. The people claiming super high speeds probably are no where close to what they think.
That's an Ender 3 Pro, not a standard Ender 3. Anyway, my Ender 3 with a Bondtech extruder is crazy fast with Cura 4.5. Not sure what you got wrong there, bud.
How fast does your printer print?
i can speed my ender 3 v2 up to 120ms over the standard 40ms
nice sweet holly mamma!
it's like an old joke:
- how much 2*2?
- it is 5
- hmm... not really.
- - ok ok but I was really fast! :-)
without comparison this test is pointless, sorry
The big issue with the Ender is the board and the drivers. Compared to Prusa it’s totally different.
I totally agree, the premise here was to show basic performance for the person that just got the printers set up and downloaded the community prefered slicer. The ender has a very good movement system, it's held back by the stock electronics and extruder. I'm going to continue to see what I can accomplish speed wise, because I believe it should print as fast and as good as the Prusas with the right parts. The question is how much will it cost and will it be viable when compared to the mini?
really bad video you just spoke for 11 minutes
I think you need to watch the video again. You apparently missed several of those 11? Minutes.🙄