Bad Gear - Ri-di-cu-lous
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Welcome to Bad Gear, the show about the world's most hated audio tools. Today we are going to talk about the Roland JD-08. Is this digital synthesizer, member of the Roland Boutique family and miniscule version of the somewhat legendary Roland JD-800 a worthwhile alternative to the 1991 original? Did they emulate the red glue too? Is this synth just ri-di-cu-lous ?
Thanks to Klangfarbe for helping me out with one of their Roland JD08 :
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I carpe diemed the hell out of Beeple's public domain VJ loops in the finale:
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro tune
01:07 Overview Roland Boutique JD-08
01:45 Palette Faders
01:54 Displays, Menus, Differences to the Original
02:21 Polyphony, Engine, Tone Layers, Multitimbrality
03:03 Waveforms, ROM expansions (or lack thereof)
03:27 Filter (Roland Zenology)
03:52 Envelopes
04:19 LFOs, Additional Features
04:35 FX Section
04:52 Patches (Sound Examples)
05:22 Sequencer
05:45 Arpeggiator, Clock Input
05:53 What else??? (Noise Issues, Rear Panel, Pricing, Thanks)
06:22 Hate
06:47 Jam 1
07:40 Jam 2
08:41 Finale
09:16 Verdict - เพลง
Audiopilz: *slaps roof of YT channel*
Full Tracks, Extended Jams, Sample Packs: www.patreon.com/audiopilz
"You have to proceed with caution when using the resonance." then proceeds to deafen us with ice picks to the ears. Thanks man!
Kinda sad that only decent priced synths with multi stage envelopes are either semi-toy botiques or decades old original digital rolands, yamahas ans Casios. Even the most basic CZ-101 had better envelopes than whats available as new.
@@DIYTAO ha ! My 1st keyboard synth was CZ 101, kinda regret selling it.
It had character.
"Nothing is more 80s than the early 90s" Truer words were never spoken.
The 90s began in 1988 but the 80s didn't end until 1993.
@@RodBeauvex 100% accurate.
@@scottnelle Looking back, though, I would argue the 90s were pretty much over by 1998.
I could actually listen to an entire album of this (born in 1975, probably explains 🤔🤣)
The 90s emded in 2007
I laughed so hard when I heard the pan flute sound while blowing in the cart appeared! 😂😂😂 Awesome episode! The JD-08 is is on my wish list. 😊
Thanks!!!
It's great, I just got mine a few weeks ago. Great 3rd party presets available too.
Even with your spoiler, I wasn't ready. LOL
Was that the Red Mountain music from Bomberman 64 you played? sounded like it
I have one and love it despite the shade thrown its way. I mean all that functionality thrown into a tiny box for not crazy money? I love the synth engine too, and bought the editor. But I’m definitely building a TouchOSC performance control panel for certain aspects of the JD-08 at some point.
The genius of Roland Boutique is just tapping into the impulse of humans to want to own a complete set of things.
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Poke-synth in a few ways
Goddam... Your right! 😜
I still HAVE a JD-800 with all the carts, and I STILL want this to go along the JX-08 Boutique I just got (solely because I had a JX-8P and still regret selling it 15 years ago...)
These synths inspire me to stick with my free vsts.
Roland really gunning for that "Smallest throw fader of the year" award
Yeah, it's a PITA!!!
I have toggle switches with more throw than these roland microfaders.
I just realised that a lot of these faders are both ( + & - ) values, which makes the distance even smaller.
I imagine like much of Roland gear, that down the line when fader jitter inevitable develops, the user will have a wild randomise turned on 24/7
ridiculously tiny faders, may as well have used encoders like Modal synths
@@thelateraledge I wonder if there is a notch in the middle of the fader range. Might get tricky to get precise motions.
No Friday without an episode of Bad Gear! 😊🎉
Yeah!!! Have a nice weekend!!!
So true. I haven't missed a single episode in like 2 years something.
Hell yeah ❤ love this channel, thanks for all the work you put into it.
How does he keep up tbh
Hella true 🤙🤙🤙
the third attempt jams always go so hard we need a full release
Yessir!😎
Thanks!!! Full tracks, sample pacsk and extended jams can be found on Patreon (shameless plug;)
@@AudioPilz but like on a streaming service tho cuz realistically I dont even download audio files anymore.
I can play the extended jams direct from the Patreon app, don’t need to download files. Much of the extra content is hosted on Vimeo.
As long as Roland keeps releasing, we keep getting Bad Gear episodes, it's a win-win? ;)
Absolutely!!!
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releasing or relapsing?
As long as Roland keeps releasing bad gear I will keep buying for nostalgia
The pan flute / nes cart blow is a perfectly executed joke 30 years in development. Unlimited props! First track sounded perfectly like Depeche a la Ultra.
It was a snes cart you noob
Thank you so much!!!
Easily one of the funniest Bad Gear episodes since the Roland T8 one! "Fridge magnet version" and "Vintage time bomb contraption" represent some of your finest descriptive writing to date. You have created one of the very best channels on TH-cam, congratulations! Keep up the amazing work!
Thank you so much!!!
I‘m not a musician, but this channel „ist einfach Kunst“!
Weiter so Bro...🎉👍
Danke!!!
Ja genau
I was an early adopter of the JD-08 and wasn’t particularly knowledgeable of the original. While I did start to find some of the restrictions and was made aware of more as I started reading reviews, the thing that makes me not regret buying it is … it just sounds so good. Just hoping Roland will cave in and do a firmware update that provides sysex so we can control the thing with something with proper sized controls.
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I also own a JD-08 (less than a year old). Once you turn off some of the Tone layers, you find some pretty decent vintage pad sounds. I might roll off some of the high end in an EQ, but this unit is quite powerful in crafting sounds. It does not have to be just for 90s throwback raves.
"...it just sounds so good." True dat. I just picked one up for $not_bad to give our church's keyboardist some more sonic breadth and depth for layering to pair with our new stage piano. Hey, the combo was way cheaper than a Fantom :D
These videos are so well put together. Amazing editorship and musicianship and all other kinds of ships! Well done!
Thank you so much!!!
"Nothing is more 80s than early 90s"
Goddamn that is SO TRUE!
Yes!!!
The fact this doesn't have any MIDI SYSEX is mind boggling. Like its predecessor had that!
So weird!
@@AudioPilz I was thinking stupid, but yeah weird will do. Especially since it uses absolutely abysmally small sliders.
Deal breaker
@@annother3350 I want SOOO badly to like this thing, but Roland's habitual lack of class-compliance, and the criminal omission of sysex capabilities, have put it beyond the pale, unless I stumble across someone utterly fed up with the limitations and selling it for half price :P . Maybe it's time to take another look at a Blofeld on Reverb. :D
Yes, true. The thing made me not buy the JD-08 is that it does not integrate with the old800 otherwise it could have been a useful voice expander.
When I wrote "It still sounds like every low budget 90s New Age/canned VHS training tape sound, " I meant that as a compliment. I love my JD08!
Oh, got this wrong then;)
Note to self: no more bad gear episodes while eating dinner, that cartridge pan flute almost made me spit my food across half my studio (again) ... well played sir :D
Thanks!!!
Man, I really find your videos very informative and incredibly humorous. The video work totally rocks. Thanks, Bro
Thank you so much!!!
I listen to your videos through my studio monitors. Certainly not the most expensive but I have to tell you your mixes sound great. But you make Bad Gear sound good? Paradoxical! I think you take the strengths of these products and through your composition skills make them work. Always entertaining, I always look forward to your videos.
Thank you!!!
The density and layering of the comedy gold in these videos is just too good. Like Arrested Development tier layering. I can watch them all at least twice and keep finding more gold.
Thank you so much!!!
Aww yiss another ridiculously GOOD piece of gear! Keep it coming dude!
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Hey Pilz! Hilarious and very informative video as always! And I love your articles in Beat, too! Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much!!!
There's one thing Roland needed to do that would have fixed everything with this Boutique: include a pair of tweezers.
So true!
Oh I love it. The bass sound at 8:46 went directly into my heart . nice songs, and some great memes :D
Thank you!!!
This is the best sounding synth that has been on the show
Someone missed the timbre wolf episode
Timbre Wolf FTW!!!
It does sound pretty good. Panel looks like an instrument… of torture, though.
😂 a good joke
I dunno, the Blofeld (assuming you can replace the encoders when they fail) sounds pretty awesome, and it's insanely capable at that price point
I'm really becoming a fan of this channel. The videos are so clever and full of non-stop jokes along with actual, useful information.
Best TH-cam show everrr
Thank you so much!!!
That first jam has a great Goldeneye 64 vibe going on
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I struggle to decipher what goes on the heads of Roland's engineers and marketing folks. "Yeah, we're going to do that one synth, but bite size...and leave out the entire reason it was worth owning the original!"
It's like pokemon
They have an algorithm and a score chart. If a product scores too high on the awesome chart they figure it will be so good they won't be able to sell the next version, so they purposefully dial down the features to ensure the market for their future items.
If my Farmer's Almanac reads correct, Roland should release a Sound Canvas boutique by the end of at least next year.
It is only right.
I'd buy that in a heartbeat!!!
Honestly, the music on this channel is better than 99% of all music ever.
Thank you so much!!!
With every song you played with this thing, I got fuzzies on my skin and back of my neck.. Thats a GOOD thing. The sounds on the JD08/800 are indescribably haunting and nostalgic.. I swear, I do not know what it is, but I can certainly FEEL IT. This thing is well worth the purchase and whats more, it is small enough to fit in a back pack! Thats always a plus in my book!
Early 90s in a box!
I am truly interested in how much of the editing time goes to finding de perfekte meme. You strike gold everytime
Thank you!!! It's all happening in one process so it's hard to tell
Your skills are next level, mad respect ✌️
Thank you so much!!!
is it strange that I have most of the gear you feature on your channel? Love your work and that Finale jam here is amazing! thank you
🤣 same...
Thanks!!! Bad Gear should be in every collection!
I ordered and waiting for my Roland JX-08, after watching this episode I am hoping to get this JD-08 next time I got a budget. Love your video. More power.
Thank you so much!!!
Thanks man! I absolutely love this thing. When I got mine last year, I dusted off 1 of my XP computers, linked it to an Evolution 16 and let the plug and play auto-setup connect it to those tiny slider JD-08 parameters with some turny knobs on the Evolution 16. I really like those 4 buttons that let you turn the 4 wave synths on and off live! ALL the original presets are there, plus more, plus you can build your own sounds. IT's way better than the Korg Radius, which operates in a similar way! You can also record each of the 4 wave setups separately in your DAW and mix from there with your mouse, but it ain't the same as pressing those 4 little buttons live!
Nice technique, 3d!!!
That's some good sounding synth.
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Your reviews are great, but I really love your music. Good episode !
Thank you!!!
Giving us the music genres we didn't knew we needed in our life! Thanks you for hooking me on Kitschwave and thank you once again for a fantastic episode.
Oh, and a small correction: 2:00 The JD800 did not just have two oldschool displays, but three (2 LCDs and the 7-segment LED one)…
Correction: One long 2-line by 40-character LCD, plus the 7-seg LED. :)
@@zeroequalsthree8649 Thank you, I'm stumped! So they really did mask two of the 40 character columns off? Probably because the display wasn't cramped enough for Roland's UI standards ;)
@@henninghoefer Yeah it is one single big LCD with the dark grey bar dividing it up into two smaller screens. Mental!
Thanks for the heads up!
Lovely sounds
Agreed, really liked the overall tone
Couldn't agree more! Awesome episode!
Thank you!!!
Great episode mate, thank you.
Thank you so much!!!
Love what do! A lot of great humor and I dig your music.
Thank you so much!!!
The truth is, just the sequencer on this tiny synth, plus a Boss RC-505, is enough to pound out synthwave bangers all day. Add a KP3, and you're ready to go on tour! Great show. :)
Thanks!!! True that!
thnking the same thing about the JX08
dual 64 poly seq with trigger step adv and directional option. 🤯
@@tblv9300what’s trigger step advance?
Always wanted a jd-800, never could get one.
The jd-08 is an insult
Great as always
Cheers
Have a nice weekend!!!
The brand no one expected to see on this show 🫣
Sorry, this show is all about this brand.
Biggest Roland fan of all time here;)
Wieder ein Masterpiece von Video. Danke 🎉
Vielen Dank!
Nothing is more 80s than the early 2020s
True that!!! Am I gonna be in the next TH-cam Music Producer Tier List???
Great work!
Thanks!!!
As always a great episode :)
Thank you!!!
When you're not making me miss the gear that I've let go over the years, you're making me seriously consider new gear that I really don't want or need but sounds so good in your jams that it just might fit into my synth rig. Also, did I just see a touch of 2001 slit scan flash by in the kitschwave? I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
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2:45 I died at the cartridge pan flute moment. 😂
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Sounds a cross between a snare and a fart
Just got my JD-08 used, it is just fun to get lost in sounds. It punches WAY above its size and I am glad that Roland addressed voices and timbrality concerns.
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Pleasantly surprised by this one! But man those faders and buttons are so small. The Boom bap samples and the Nintendo cartridge meme were my favorite moments in this one aside from the jams. 😃👍🎹 Thanks for another great episode!
Thanks!!!
1:28 this synth the jd-800 is giving me flashbacks of 90s drums and bass albums, russian pop and raves (this synth would be useful in my opinion).
Yeah, these were the days...
Awesome episode!
Thank you!!!
You really went all out on the video editing 😍
Thank you!!!
Bad Gear, the show about the world‘s fastest pressing of the SPACE key in order to catch all the memes ❤
10 minute videos that take half an hour to watch :)
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@@brettmaddan3255 Hahaha, so true.
Pause video, and use the "" to frame step.
Yep! I watch on my TV and constantly press the pause button.
I love the way it sounds. It's the perfect Vaporwave synth. Also have you tried powering your Boutiques from a USB power bank? That might help with the noise.
True that!!! Yeah, power banks really help
You always make so good demos❤️🙏☯️
Thanks!!!
Bahaha 🤣 that gorgeous pan flute sound with the gif of the guy blowing in the SNES cartridge. Peak Audiopilz content! I'm fully audiopil'd!
Thank you so much!!!
I don't play synths I just like how they sound and your channel, but I guess I am a mark for Roland they always sound so good to me.
Thank you so much!!!
you gotta review that new table from teenage engineering
small, but you make it sound good to my ears...the best show of the synth-channels ever. Always inspiring always fun.. Always good songs/jams and videos. love from TAO von Sweden.
Thanks, TAO!!!
I still have one gear i dont think you have shown yet, the emu proteus 2000, it would be amazing if you brought it to bad gear eventhough it is not so bad but old very old now.
Best wishes TAO von Sweden.
AudioPliz I just bought one!. Lovin how it sounds. The pads feel like they can suppport a building ! It sounds like nothing I have heard before and took the place that the Korg Wavestation used to own in my world regarding pads!
Nice!
I used to hate synths like M1 D-50 roland JV stuff and so on. But now I have changed my mind. After 20 years. Hahaha. This is the new retro.
I feel the same way!!!
My god it sounds great 😳
Yeah, it has quite some of the JD-800 DNA
@@AudioPilz there is a side by side comparison with the original of the factory patches in a video by Glenn Main (I think with the version for the Jupiter-X but it should sound the same) and I could not hear a difference.
I need to admit - you put the most darkest memes in this one. The meme with the speed of light made me write this comment. Great work! As always! I am a big fan of your creativity and humour. And I love Roland stuff, although - the older one ;) PS. Your jam is better than the latest DM single.
Thank you!!!
Great video as always! Bad Gear is my favorite part of Friday. I would love to see your take on the Ensoniq ASR X, the sampler/synth I have the biggest love/hate relationship with.
Great suggestion, thanks!!!
Maybe my favorite intro so far.
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Intro tune. I should specify
You can simulate drum kits by creating drum sounds on each layer and assigning them to key ranges. Then you essentially have a 4 track drum synth on one part. You can use the same method with melodic synth parts. Different sounds on different layers and assigned to key ranges. It's a little tedious but you could have up to 8 parts going at once in one sequence.
Thanks for the heads up!
So... they know they've made a half decent groovebox, but still let you menu dive for half an hour to make it work. Weird flex.
In the right hands this boutique can do amazing things! Still have this on my list of must-gets!
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Back once again with another banger
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Another thing not mentioned here, is that the multi-effects included in the JD-800 weren't recreated properly either. The JD-800's chorus for example has a particular sound and didn't hold up well to being mono'd at all. So if a patch relied on some quirk of the old FX engine it breaks down. Secondly, I'm baffled as to why they didn't include the JD-990's waveforms at the very least. The JV-1080 plugin is basically just the XV-5080 plugin with different patches but the exact same waveforms. That's most likely due to the fact that it was a sloppy paste job from the Integra 7 than an effort to accurately recreate it like Korg did with all of their romplers/digital synths. If I had to guess the JD-800 plugin and the JD-08 is just a further gutted version of the JV-1080 plugin since the 1080 plugin also has the same filter issue, FX issues, and has all the JD-800 waveforms already in it. Not to mention the JV-1080 also has some of the JD-990 waveforms already in there which makes their absence from the boutique and the plugin even more confusing.
Interesting insights, thanks!!!
I couldn't any more mad at Roland after watching this video. The JD-800 has always been a dream synth, thanks Roland for once again destroying my dreams. That being said, I sold a JD-XA because it turns out all of those knobs, faders and buttons can be ruined by a horrible tiny LCD and a manual so infuriating that it makes you want to sell all your gear and buy a didgeridoo and spend the rest of your life on a hippy compound tying to fit into the drum circle. I digress. I do have a MC-505 that I'm still very happy with and a new MC-707 that is a dream to use, both sound great and are a huge value. And now we're back to square one, Roland destroyer of dreams and yet at the same time your oldest best friend.
Yeah, Roland is the best and worst synth brand in the world
@@AudioPilz Aye, there's th' rub
This synth sounds absolutely incredible honestly. I usually use synths without adjusting knobs too much so with the right MIDI controller this thing seems like a DREAM
They really found a sweet spot here!
Amazing bass on the 3rd track😃
I especially mean when from the sustaining note the filter opens up and progresses in the melody of the bass line 🥰
Thanks!!!
I had one for over a year and hardly used it, it was cool but just didnt vibe with it.
Lets pray🙏 for better update policy with MIDi Sys..because this great sounding JD-08 is a closed Box...no external MIDI Sys just the dumbo Pgm Changes , Hold & Portamento, Pan & Volume...nothing else.....like the D-05 which is not updated since 01/2019...ok there are good vst controller Momo Müller Ones, but then you can go cheaper for Roland Cloud....I owned an JD-800 long time ago and the great thing was its panel , everything easy accessable....Now its alittle Rocket Scientist thing to create an 4Layer Sound: Feels like: Press button2 3times with your nose and hold button 11 2seconds after releasing slider b and c after slider TVF is closed😅......Boutique Dreams for Boutique Collectors: JP-8000 & V-Synth & Cr-78 would be cool.....tltr?...press 08:41...cheers
Word!!!
damn your closing tracks are so good
Thank you!!!
Happiest of Fridays to you my favourite austrian bald music person ever
Thank you so much!!!
@@AudioPilz thank you for thanking me for your awesome performance. I appreciate your continuous commitment into the series, and packing each episode with higher amount of memes per second than tiktok or whatever zoomers use these days
I got the JD 08 almost a month ago. I was in love with the expectations i had for it, only to be let down. It sucks. Im ready to give it away to someone who doesnt know anything about the JD 800, or anything about synths at all in general. Maybe it'll get the attention it thinks it deserves.
Edit. I am really trying hard to like it. But the more i use it, i realize i hate it, and maybe someone else can make better use of it.
Yeah, it's not easy to like it
It's true, nothing is more 80's than the early 90's. More than half of the 1980s was just a 1970's hangover.
Word!
I've got a JD-800 I rescued from red glue land, what a very cool synthesizer. I love the sounds they are very retro and pair really well with an analog synth. I like to pair a fat analog lead with some JD digital ambiance. Rolands JD-800 plugin is very good as well.
Nice!!!
Should I make this comment about:
a) How third graders can now change 64 parameters with one hand
b) Wondering how this compares to the CS-80 patch memory sliders
c) How much I love this show
Thank you so much, Rocco!!!
1:15 it means so much that you led with THAT patch. That sound was the backbone to a 90s kids show called Theodore Tugboat, so many great memories. But I'll stick with roland cloud to get it.
That two legged horse was worth the admission price, thought i was on acid for a moment.
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That downtempo jam at 6:47 is giving me the 2023 Beborn Beton release vibe
Thank you!!!
Hey, it's amazing how you make shine this synth with the patches you play through the video! The sound is awesome! Are you using any kind of post-processing or it's 100% JD-08? Sounds pretty warm and full to me! Are those all stock patches?
Thank you so much!!! Quite some tweaking and full mixing procedure in the finale
Nice one - and I mean AudioPilz and Roland. This sounds nice.
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ooooh those 90s pad sounds *chefs kiss*
also the first track is very N64 Goldeneye
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A friend has a JD-08 and I have a JD-800. Sound aside, sitting at the real thing is such a better experience and you can really get lost in it. Easily one of my favorite looking synths. The Boutique clone sounds fine but it’s just a different experience in pretty much every way. Great video as always!
Thank you!!!
I’ve been refreshing TH-cam for over a hour since I got home from work too watch new badgear vid !!!
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Always a good day when a new Bad Gear video pops up.
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wow the 5:38 preset sounds pretty awesome, i'd definitely dig a full track based on that after developing the patch a little further
That's actually a preset;)
6:54 I swear thats the "Iceman" preset, the JD-800 signature sound. Forever hardwired on my JD-800 on Preset 1.1
Classic!
Finale is on point! 👊
Thanks!
I love how you leaned into your germanic version of "available" with the whale clip. You're a funny guy Florian! Don't install the Roland Cloud Service unless you want to be constantly annoyed by pop ups about updates. I have a System 1M that I've bought a couple of the plug-ins for that are no longer supported by their old Roland Store. I thought I'd keep up to date using the Cloud, but the pop ups drove me so mad I've just accepted the versions of the plugins I was able to download way back when I bought them from the old Store instead of putting up with the Cloud Service.
Thank you so much!!!
I have one and it's one of my favourite synths. I'm into the whole late-90s videogame soundtrack thing, and although i have a JV-1080, the hands on interface of the JD-08 is more convenient and productive. I love it!
Nice!
I made the mistake today of trying to eat my lunch while watching. I had to save it for later because I realized that if I look away for only one instant I miss something. I should know I have to stay on the pause button because my old addled brain just can’t grok every awesome tidbit in real time. I have a JD-08 and love it, but also laughed out loud at all the shade thrown its way. But I also love that you find something to like about everything you review, and that plus the entertainment is worth some cash.
Hey Mike, thank you so much!!!