2025 Or 2024 4 Runner - Different For Different People - What Would You Rather Have?
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- 2025 Or 2024 4 Runner - Different For Different People - What Would You Rather Have?
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I will never understand the people who make a big deal about the power liftgate. It’s completely unnecessary and pointless, and just another thing that can break. That and the big iPad on the dashboard are a no for me. I’ll enjoy my 2021 for another 20 years, as is.
Agree 100%. I like simple and less tech myself
@@SamkoWorkShopMy niece had her power lift gate struts replaced on her RAV4 under warranty. Had she paid, it would have been $923.
@@buzzboykin9982 crazy expensive.
@@buzzboykin9982 Yeah, I just don’t get it. It’s not even a convenient feature - I’d hate waiting for it to open when I can easily open it myself, in a quicker manner. Unless someone has serious health issues to where they struggle to open it themselves, I can’t imagine the point of the power liftgate. Why would anyone else want or need that feature?
@@buzzboykin9982yep! My wife’s 2022 rav 4 prime had issues with the gate struts too. $1500 job that warranty covered. She drives 30000 miles a year so next year she is out of luck if it goes out again
Old one forsure-purchased a 2023 because of what your saying-thanks
Congratulations on such a great vehicle!
The only thing the old 4-Runner needed in my opinion was a different transmission. Could you imagine if you could put the Jeep eight speed transmission in the old 4-Runner! Wow!
Would be excellent. And better mpgs!
Im very pleased with my 2019 4runner , i will keep it until it stops running
Then you will be keeping it for decades!! Love the 5th gens and 4.0 motor
I will always prefer the 5th generation 4runner a good reliable vehicle all the way Toyota #1 in my list
Agree! There is a reason the current 4 runner still sells so well for being a 20 year old design.
I love listening to you ramble about the 4Runner. Such a legendary vehicle!
Love the 4 runner!
Just bought a 2024 5th Gen. Love it! No intention of going to the 6th Gen.
And now you won't need to buy another vehicle for a couple decades if you don't want to. Congratulations on such a fine suv!
I have a deposit on one (just in case). I don’t need one, but always wanted one. And now that they’re going away I panicked and placed a deposit on one (with an 8 week wait, so 8 weeks to think about buying something that I don’t at all need, but do want). I should just do it, I mean let’s face it who NEEDS a Corvette lol? But many people buy them.
@JoeBuck-uc3bl smart move. And with the prices of the new one I bet your 24 will be worth more than you paid a year from now
@@SamkoWorkShop I would have preferred to put a deposit on your exact trim, but for me the Off Road without the Premium is like finding a unicorn lol. Oh well, I’d rather save the money with the regular Off Road however I can’t say that a moonroof and leather wouldn’t be nice!
@@JoeBuck-uc3bl yep was so hard to find a non premium trd of. I searched forever and all states within a 5 state area regularly to find it.
The only upgrade I would have done to the forerunner is swap the old five speed tranny and replaced it with a ZF 8 speed which would have improved fuel mileage and kept everything else the same
100%
would make WAY too much sense
Fantastic point! That would be amazing
Great review and information ! I just purchased a 5th generation Toyota 4Runner because I didn't want a turbocharged engine. I believe older technology works and will last a long time .
Agree 100% with you. The 5th gen is tried, true and proven. And toyota does not do good with change for the first few years.
I agree. I had a Ford Explorer Sport turbo charged. I traded the the Explorer in for a 2022 TRD Pro for that reason. Turbos are known to have problems. I wanted something I could keep long term with hardly any problems. The Toyota 4 runner was my choice and I love it.
@booboo1343 congratulations on such a great vehicle
I just got a new 2024 and I love my dinosaur
I did buy before they gone
Congratulations on such a great suv
When the time comes when I get my future career, I want to get my wife one of these 2020-2023 4runners. Love that body styling. She likes the newer 4runner, and I'm a little on edge about it. It looks nice, but my preference is the older one.
Both will be outstanding vehicles. And a happy wife is a happy life😂
Agree. Was waiting on 2025 4Runner but after seeing the new Tacoma prices I can only imagine the 2025 4Runner is going to start in the mid50k or more after dealer markups for basic SR5. Gonna get a 2024 4Runner within a month if I can. I can cope with the sucky MPG
Can completely understand that. And the 24 will last much longer and is proven.
You’re right.
Great channel. People want simplicity and dependability
Agree simple works best for me. Glad you are enjoying the videos
That’s why this new forerunner going to sell like hotcakes. You guys are so out of touch with the market. It’s not even funny.
@@user-yn4cn3el5q like the new tacoma does?
Im 58 I traded my 22 4 wheel drive Tacoma Limited. for the 24 4Runner. TRD pro. Just for that reason, I was hoping I lived a long, healthy life, but so would the truck.
Yep the 24 4 runner will be the last long lasting vehicle made. Getting 2 decades out of it will not be hard to do. No other vehicle made today will be able to say that.
Waiting on my 24 to come in. Ordered for the same reason.
@jdogtag567 congratulations on such a great vehicle. You are gonna love it
I am 57 and traded my Ford Explorer Sport for a 2022 4-runner TRD Pro. I did it for the exact same reasons you mentioned. LOL 😆
@booboo1343 Us old guys use our heads. I remember my dad said God said brain. Some people thought he said train and stepped off the track.
I like them old and bulletproof
Me too.
I'm hoping the new seats are bigger. At 6'2", I always felt like I was sitting on an elementary school desk chair in the 4 Runner.
Thankyou for your thoughts. Great segment. From other segments/content, I've heard the change to a 4cyl turbo in the 6th gen is not about fuel economy. The change is supposedly driven more by attempting to lower emissions rather than fuel economy. Idk if that's true or not? Apparently, the 6th gen will get "1 mpg" better than the previous gen. Also, it's recommended to use premium gas on the 6th gen. Is it possible that the 6th gen will "increase" money at the pump(premium gas) compared to the 5th gen?
You are correct. It's gov and the epa that is forcing baby motors with turbos. It's all to lower carbon dioxide levels and tail pipe emissions. I don't think the 6th gen requires premium. And I'm hoping it gets better than 1 mpg better. But it sad times the 5th gen is gonna be gone
@@SamkoWorkShop Yeah, I proposed the question of mpg's and recommended "premium" gasoline because I'm really not sure and don't actually know the #'s. Thanks for the reply. I'm seriously considering trying to get a "new" 2024 before they're all gone. They aren't cheap, but nothing well made ever is. I weigh the how thirsty they are at the pump vs the potential of a vehicle that will last over 200k miles? At 55 yrs of age, the thought of a 2024 possibly lasting over 200k miles is very appealing despite the price. Thanks again.
Lowering emissions is a great thing - as long as the engine proves to be reliable and long lasting. That is what most 4Runner owners have seemed to care about. Hopefully these new engines prove to last long.
Spot on! Also, rear seats "tumble" forward and take up storage space. Rear passenger leg room appears to be compromised, especially on egress. Yes, that battery pack on the '25 Pro/Trailhunter takes up a lot of cargo area. Who needs all that "tech" when you out on the trail or in the bush!? Whole purpose of getting out into the wilderness is to get away from tech. JMHO
I agree 100%. And tech fails all the time. Being miles from nowhere is bad times to have a stupid sensor or something little send you I to limp mode and no way out.
I think it's still going to be built in japan. That's definitely good.
Far as the motor... ummm...
It's a corporate motor. Meaning they will try to put it in everything, every model they can to save money. This is how we got stuck with the 3.5 liter in the tacoma (roll eyes) corporate motor shove it in everything because it's cheaper than r,& d on developing multiple engines.
For comparison the previous 2.4 litre was in like.. camry, corolla.. 🤣.
I'm not trying to knock the new version of the 2.4 (started in 2019 ? I think the 2.5 variant in 2017?) I'm just putting this in perspective. Like. Corolla perspective. Putting horsepower and torque numbers aside this is about the size of the 2.4 early versions in like the Toyota Corolla. Wrap your head around that. It's a small motor. Getting all this power out of it creates a lot of HEAT which lowers engine life. To compensate the HEAT they pound the coolant to it. Because well. It'll go real bad otherwise.
Toyota has been making 4 cyclinderc engines like the 2.4 since the early eighties if not before.
Yet In the 2000s and even later we had some warped heads, stripped head bolts pushed out. Caused from OVERHEATING and that was on non turbos. Certain years of camry really had issues. Later they also ran into the oil ring problem (basically they burn oil like .........a lot). So I can't pretend Toyota is fully genius on making 4 cylinder motors. Some, excellent. Others. Not so great.
The current d series (think developed 2017? , and more importantly the 2.4 version , developed be beginning 2019?) have been around a while. But not enough to say long term reliability. They also haven't been put in 5000 lb trucks and pushed to 350 lb ft of torque.
They were in the Highlander. Closest thing.
I'm not knocking the idea. But i would seriously wait a few years.
Toyota, while some of the 4 cylinders were near bullet proof mid 2000s on they have had some with "problems". The verdict is still out on how long a little 2.4 new series will survive in a 5000 lb vehicle. Might be fine? But even the 4 bangers in some of the earlier camry were overheating and warping heads, blowing head bolts, burning oil. And they weren't turbo pushing 350 lbs torque in a near 5000lb vehicle.
Toyota put this motor in because a. Emmision standards ( doubt it saves much gas) and b. They could easily mass produce it (corporate motot) they can use accross multiple models. .
They didn't put this motor combination in for you I can assure you.
But it still might do okay. But i would wait. The early Toyota pickups with 4cylinders were reliable but weighed like half this with less stress on them.
If you only plan on keeping it during the power train warranty, Then hey. Have at it. More torque. It'll drive better...
Far as Toyota "we test our engines.... To extreme!!!!". Yeah whatever. If that was true the other engines before wouldn't have had issues....
Did you know if you tilt the 3.5 litre (like say going up a hill 4 wheeling?) the oil stops circulating through the motor because it's at a angle? That's how well they tested it. 🤣. Sadly that's one of their best motors and built much like the 4.0. imagine the bad ones.
They aren't perfect. Don't be so quick to trust this 2.4 idea in this particular application. Is all I'm saying. They had trouble with the 4 cylinder camry on some years never mind the 4 runner.
It might be great. But...... Yuh i have doubts.....
It's more about the tnga platform, getting ready for hybrid and electric, meeting emissions, a motor they can mass cheap produce.
Another sad reality is the 4.0 and 3.5, despite being very reliable could have been advanced to have better fuel economy. V8 motors can get better fuel economy than these Toyota 6 cylinders . Really quite pathetic. But the reality is toyota doesnt pay for your gas, they probably don't care what it cost you. The only reason they are changing the current engines is emmisions. They have too . And you probably will only get a couple mpg more. And even though the 2.4 doesnt specify it needs high test gasoline (listed as regular unleaded) remember it's a turbo and high test is still preferred if you want to keep it running right and clean getting that full power out of it. Running regular 87 .. long term... Ehh.. iffy.
This is a fantastic post! Very well said and excellent points!
I drive a old Volvo. I'm not the people they are trying to sell this too.@@SamkoWorkShop
That is the best comment here. Look at the negative comments, "You're old, you're out of touch with the market, blah blah" (the ignorance of youth is showing). Nope. It's regulations, forcing the manufacturer to tell the customer what they want. It used to be the other way around. The only thing the 4Runner actually needed was a newer transmission and they could have knocked themselves out refreshing the interior all they wanted.
If we had listened to the governments regulations and been so in touch with "the market" then we would all just pretend to enjoy EV's. The actual market means the customer tells the manufacturer what we want and they deliver. That's how capitalism works. Every other method is doomed to disappointment and failure despite what the fidget spinner generation has been conditioned to accept and their obnoxious coping with the substandard design philosophy in a desperate attempt to be young and cool is cringe at best. There is a solid and logical reason Cessna's and Mooney's are still around and relatively unchanged in the aviation world.
5th gen just needed (as upgrade) 6 speed GX transmission and just keep selling it. 😂🍻
For the price I expect these 4 runners to be, a gx550 would be a smarter buy and not much more.
Great video, thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I agree that the 6G 4Runner is pretty much an improved vehicle in objective measures and in the ways that consumers generally seem to desire. As you mentioned, law/regulations kind of demand smaller engines that are more efficient as well. But I do wish that Toyota would continue to build and sell 5G 4Runners simultaneously. Again, as you mentioned, they have sold more and more as the 5G has gotten older and I think it’s because of the design of the vehicle. It is simple, it is dependable, it is very capable off road, and (not including the TRD Pro) it doesn’t shatter the bank to get one. There is also a HUGE aftermarket scene for them, which keeps them relevant.
While I also like the 6G, I absolutely will not be trading in my 5G and I would encourage anyone who is on the fence to buy a 2024 or used 5G. The V6, while merely sufficient in power and torque output, is bulletproof and I think it offers just enough tech inside and out to be relevant for the modern driver and passengers.
Also, I think the 5G, while still aggressive, is a more conservatively-styled vehicle than the 6G and will not look as dated in 15 or more years as the new line of Toyota trucks, which feel heavily influenced by 2020s trends that I don’t think will necessarily retain their good looks once certain fads of design have changed.
Just my two cents, thank you again.
This is a fantastic comment! Absolutely spot on and I like the way you think!
The compass is in the digital gauge display next to Trip meter.
Not on my non premium
@@SamkoWorkShop Strange. My 2018 non-premium Off Road has it.
@@JoBiatch sure wish mine did! I've tried and searched everywhere. Can't find it.
@@SamkoWorkShop it’s on pages 83 and 85 of the owners manual. It does say however on page 85 that compass is only available on vehicles with navigation system, which mine does have.
@JoBiatch appreciate you looking that up and diving deep on it. I do not have navigation on mine. So no compass I guess. But I do have 2 clocks 3 inches from each other😂😂😂
5th Gen forever
Love the 5th gen
I have a 2015 LTD coming up on 200k miles. Was thinking about what I could get if I was to replace it, and the thought of simply getting a 2024 crossed my mind. Or I will just keep mine for another 200k...The funny part is that it is claimed one of the reasons for the change is for better gas mileage- I have averaged 18.2 over the life of the truck, and I do not see these little turbos doing any better....and did I mention I'm not ready to give up the CD player? lol
😂😂 all vehicles still should have a cd player! It's not like it takes up much space!
And if the CD player breaks, we can plug in a portable one because we have an aux jack. Newer models, I believe 2021 and up the removed the aux jack. My 2018 has it.
I was really hoping to like the new 4Runner Trail hunter trim as it comes with a solid lift kit and useful mods from the factory but there is one big detail I can't get past. The pre-production model is showing a payload of 895lbs. That's absurdly low for a vehicle that has a towing capacity of 6,000lbs. Let's assume you're pulling a trailer that weighs 5,000lbs and have a tongue weight of 500lbs. That means you can only have 395lbs of occupants and cargo. Makes very little sense to me. If I am wrong someone please correct me!
I believe you are correct.
Yours is better in the long run...trust me!
I think the new one will be great but it won't have the reliability or long term durability of the old one
5th gen.all day
I feel the same
If it can get close to 20 mpg it will be a game changer for the 4Runner! and not make th gas tank too much smaller like the Tacoma lost 3 gallons on the 2024 tank capacity! The 8 AT speed did wonders for the Taco and will for the 4Runner!
I'm looking forward to seeing what the new one is like. But definitely not ready to give up tried and true and proven.
I still drive my 2003 4runner daily. But most people nowadays don't keep new trucks past 5 years before trading it in anyways. I would still buy a new redesigned 4runner. If the turbos go bad, just replace it like we do tires. It's realy not a big deal. Plus you get better fuel & HP out of it.
Interesting and good points. Wonder what toyota charges to replace the turbo.
@@SamkoWorkShop I wonder what the cost of the turbo & battery will be after warranty. If Toyota plans to make this their main engine, I hope they will have a good stock of replacement parts for it.
@@MegaCityOneyou'll probably want to trade it or junk it. By then it'll have 100k + miles and might not be worth fixing .
@@MegaCityOne agree! I'd be curious what it cost to replace.
@itsallminor6133 100k miles is only 2.5 years for me. If I have to junk a 60k truck 2.5 years in when I still own 35k on it I'm gonna be pissed😂
There is some non hybrid models, hybrid is only for TRD Pro and Trailhunter.
I believe new turbo engine is still reliable as same as the old v6.
Time will tell on reliability. but nobody has made a truck with a gas turbo in it that can run half as long as a naturally aspirated on with out significant repair. So im not betting my money on it. But If 6 years or so from now im wrong I will gladly eat my words. But im not gambling on it with my money.
Theres no way the new one will be as reliable, at least not for awhile. Over time as they tweak the design flaws it will likely end up being bullet proof again though. It will just take time.
Agree toyota is know for reliability and eventually the bugs will be worked out and it will be solid. Samie with the tacoma. Took a few years with the tundra and I expect the same with these. But it will get there
Turbo requires double oil chances and more fancy oil => $$$
Please double check, but new T transmissions are “sealed” and don’t require oil chances for the “life of the vehicle”.
Personally I’m fine with turbo in a diesel, but gasoline engines run much hotter so turbo need la to be replaced more often.
Agree turbo diesels are designed to run forever. Gas ones, not so much
If the twin tutbo and 2:17 electric engine is so great, why didn't they put it on a V8 in the tundra? Or put it on a V6 in the Tacona and 4runner? The new 4runner looks great I'm in doubt of its performance though. Time will tell either way. You can't sleep in it anymore, the seats fold different
The no sleeping is something I didn't even think about. Good point!
I thought the ATRAC was missing as well at first. However, after doing some digging, it looks like Toyota is copying the way ATRACs works on the GX460. I.e it activates automatically when you shift into 4Low.
Interesting. Will check that out. Thanks
Except the change everyone!
We don't have a choice, but we don't have to like it.
Toyota is looking out for its bottom line, and using the same platform/sharing for multiple vehicles makes financial sense. I don't mind the new Turbos, what frustrates fans, like myself, is the perception that Toyota might be intentionally "dumbing down" the 4Runner avoiding direct competition with the Lexus GX. Yhey are testing the waters at our expence to see what they can get away with. Imagine if they offered the GX's turbo6 in the 4Runner! Higher torques and power makes more sense to me in the 4Runner then the Lexus, the 4Runner is the Jack of All Trade SUV in the Toyota line. that's the way I see it. So I'll be holding onto my 2023 for a while and see how this plays out.
Great points!
I’ve owned 4Runners for the past 20 years, 2 4th gen and 2 5th gen, I’m ready for a change. I know my 2021 SR5 is rock solid reliable but I’m tired of the look, driving experience, and the 15-16 mpg. So far I like the 2025 model but the engine looks like Elon Musk’s raptor 1 rocket engine before he told the engineers to get rid of all the external wires, pipes and “ fiddlly bits.”
😂😂😂 definitely a complicated set up under the hood of a new one.
2025 is also bigger...... but not necessarily better.
Correct it is bigger in some ways.
I have seen it said that the safety rating wasn't high enough for Toyota standards....they want higher. Not to mention they want to use the same frame for all their trucks so it was inevitable
Yep we knew all this was coming for a while now. And now that it's all here I honestly think toyota did a good job. But the prices are crazy high.
@SamkoWorkShop yes but it's not necessarily all toyota, all the materials have gone up globally, and if there is one thing we know toyota likes their margins 😂
@christrarback9748 toyota is definitely proud of their vehicles and the prices show it now more than ever. But they are nice trucks
@SamkoWorkShop I canada we get way more market up. Yes we have an exchange but toyota also marks up way more then they should up here
@christrarback9748 yeah that sucks. All vehicles are crazy high up there.
I don't understand why people worry about the 6th Gen not last long and not even haven't had the 4-cylinder SUV before :). Toyota has had the 4cylinder engine for a long time and has lasted very long. Let me ask you people who complain so much about the 4runner 6th Gen. Who built the 5th Gen 4runner?
I think for many of us we loved toyota because they were always ancient designs that were proven reliable, they were under powered, and ultra low tech. A combination that made them reliable. Especially in remote places and off road. All that changed now with baby turbo motors, all the tech, hybrids etc. In 2024, for the first time in history, you can not buy a new tacoma with the expectation of it lasting a decade. And in 22 same happen to the tundra and in 25 same is happen8ng to the 4 runner.
The Hilux uses different variations of the 4cyl turbo, and it is arguably the most dependable and reliable vehicle in the world. Why would Toyota give us an engine riddled with problems, yet Hilux owners never complain..🤔🤔🤔
Hilux is a diesel not gas. Huge difference.
Blah blah blah! People complained about the 5th generation, and no more V8, 😭😭😹 yet, a ton of people purchased it. The 6th generation will be a top seller and we all will be happy. Enjoy what you have….enjoy what you will get.
Most 4Runner drivers buy because the 4Runner will go for 250k plus miles, then trade them in 3 years later.
Nothing wrong with that though. It's one of the only vehicles available today that is drama free, hassle free, and is a buy it and never worry about it vehicle
I think more to the point is Toyota knows this and isn’t building the new 4Runner to last forever. Like the Landcruser Prado America is getting the new 4Runner is mostly for mall crawling.
I wish they would have left the 4.0 and granny as an option for this and the new tacoma. I know they have to update but still could have been an option. Ford still has v8 as an option, so it is possible.
@371kenny agree. Sure would of been nice and I bet it would of been a huge seller still
@redwhitenshoe very well could be true. Not alot of profit in building a truck that last forever. When you can build one that last 5 years and people come back for another.
Lets address this "bullet proof" argument for the older model. Just about anything is bullet proof when the bullet is from a beebee gun you only pumped once. I'll put money there's more "reliable" headroom in that new iforce than the old V6. If Toyota took any pointers from deconstructing the BMW B58 in the Supra, they'll be fine. The parts in question will be which ones outside of the motor are the 35s to 37s going to break?
Yep one thing that always made toyotas great and strong was they were under powered. But I'm very OK with that. It did everything well. The new one will be nice but I'm not betting my money on longevity or reliability (atleast for 3 or 5 years of other people testing it).
All I can add.....is that in my opinion......my 2020 TRD ORP "Venture" just received a very healthy resale value increase. Toyota has been in the forced induction game both Turbo and Supercharged world since the '80s. So I'm confident saying that the "math" has been done, the engineering should be sound, and......even Rolex still builds watches the same way they did in the 1950's. I would not expect any less workmanship, but what we are seeing here is from the marketing aspect of "evolving" the 4Runner. A completely unnecessary change.
Toyota should NOT have caved in to "market" perception, at the risk of losing loyalty in their community. Hell no on the laptop screen (and other accoutrements), and seeing some reviews on the trim levels.....I am quite surprised, and first glance, quite disappointed. Base MRSP just went up (I'm assuming, haha!), for absolutely no value added reason aside from.....keeping up with whom????
The 5th Gen 4Runner, it set the bar already, everybody else should follow.....not the other way around.
Great content as usual Sir, appreciate your work and time! Happy Trails!
Very solid points and I agree 100%
2026
Maybe by 2030 I'd have enough data to consider buying one. Until then I'll sit back with my popcorn and let everyone else test it.😂
one thing I've learned is that 5th gen owners are very defensive.
Why would a 5th gen owner buy a 5th gen? Simple proven tried and true and built to last. The 6th gen is none of those things. So now us 5th gen owners can no longer get a equal replacement when we want to buy new.
@@SamkoWorkShop I have an 18 OR with 33k miles and wondering if I should trade it for a 24 before they’re gone. I bought it brand new OTD for $36k. 24 will be $50k+ OTD.
@JoBiatch it's always worth looking at what you could get for it if you sold it to see if the change makes sense. But really there is very little difference between the 2.
There is a lot of ignorance being spewed out in this video. The 2.4 L turbo engine is almost 54% different than the one that you in the Lexus. It is a long stroke geometry it has had extensive heat management engineering done to it. The last time Toyota implemented a turbo charged engine was in the NX 200 T and that mule 10,000 on the bench it went an additional 600,000 miles with no problems, that is 10,000+600,000 miles. Toyota industry make the best turbo chargers in the world and their quality is second to none. The 1GR was super awesome. But the 2.4 L turbo is next level and will last just as long the naysayers will continue to spew out garbage which is totally fine. I’m gonna get a great deal on a new one, because of all the baseless negative information out there we gotta quit living in the past. Toyota has a long history of making highly reliable turbo charge engines.
Sounds like a 6th gen is perfect for you then. I hope you love it and it serves you well.
Sounds like your mad you bought a car and they switched it up a year later
Actually bought it BECAUSE I knew they were switching it up. Ad I've said in like 50 videos!
@@SamkoWorkShop bruh I don’t care about you
@@Kobemamba2357 I just farted. Shut up
Seems like they should have put an engine cover over all those wires and hoses. When you open the hood on the new 4-runners , your welcomed to a Hot Mess ! That looks terrible and intimidating to work on.
Yep looks like a rats nest😂