I can see where Battinson might take inspiration from this story. Seeing as it's a younger, inexperienced Batman and he's actually showcasing his detective skills.
I feel like Pattinson actually did read this and enjoyed it, because this story is just weird enough that he'd love it and draw some esoteric knowledge out of it.
Yeah, you can tell from the interviews leading up to the premiere that he read a ton of Batman comics like he said he did, with this and Court of Owls being his two favorites. When he, Paul Dano, Jeffrey Wright and Zoe Kravitz did the Vanity Fair fan theories episode, they had to pause because Pattinson and Dano were having their own nerdy Convo about a Batman comic Pattinson recommended. I like Sal but I think he's sometimes too quick to judge.
I'm pretty sure Sal knows this but I'ma say it anyway: Gordon's personality in this comic actually does track with how Pre Crisis Jim treated Bruce. In one of the first Detective Comics Jim does THIS EXACT THING and invites Bruce Wayne to an active crime scene. It's kinda crazy
You can call me a liar, like with Robert Pattinson, but this comic have a special place in my shelves, because it was a present from my father when I started reading superhero comics. It was one of my first Batman comics
I think it’s great that Robert Pattinson said this was one of his favorites. I’m glad he didn’t say something like The Dark Knight Returns which was been played out to death by everyone who says they read comics but they actually just read the greatest hits. It showed me he actually read a bunch of different stories.
It is my favorite Batman story, actually it was my first Batman comic book along with adventures series so that could be partially due to nostalgia but it’s still decent.
I remember searching the internet for some sort of reference of continuity to read Batman in following ‘year one’ and came across this title. I was so excited to find it at a comic shop n really enjoyed it and is def in my head canon
I love that Ben thought the same thing I did at the same moment about Bane! Lol Also, Batman Forever, Val Kilmer, the Dr.with the whole mask thing.....maybe...
In defence of Pattinson’s defence. As a Canadian, who shares more imports and publishing deals with the UK. (We were a former colony who were given independence rather than go to war for it). Our local libraries had a library edition collection of Batman books, and the featured comic, with its art on the hardcover, was Batman Shaman. I read this countless times as a kid, and I’d confidently say this copy was published in the UK (most of our library edition collections were). I will also say, Batman is often portrayed as being still and stoic in this book, it’s artistically very moody and gothic (jump to 25:07 )
Another parallel this book predicts is the Bat/Vulture connection. Batman 89 - Batman is played by Michael Keaton who would then play The Vulture in Spider-Man Homecoming, thus showing how he is both the villain and hero.
Clicked so fast! I love when Sal and Crew go back to older Batman stories. I remember the Shaman story and loved the artwork. Also I must say that even tho TDKR changed how most ppl viewed Batman, I think Denny O'Neil did that first. He brought in a more serious tone in Batman before Miller did.
This has been in reprint HELL. I've seen it listed for a reprint no less than 5 times since 2016. For a few years the official DC website even claimed a new printing was released when it never was.
I don't know about favorite, but this is definitely in my top 5 Batman story arcs. One of the comics that really stuck out from my early collecting days. And I can directly credit Batman '89 for getting me in to comics, so, technically, I did read this because of the movie.
Since they've already done the first two Legends of the Dark Knight stories, I can't wait for them to do Batman: Prey (arguably the best Hugo Strange story).
25:07-25:15 I know there was a large amount of time spent discrediting Bat Pat's take on this, but Sal, That is 110% the impetus for the opening reveal of The Batman when he's clunking through the darkness like a slasher villain lol.
Ya know sometimes I look at the comments to see any further discussion of the topic but all I’ve understood is that Doom is THE ultimate Karen of the marvel universe
6:25-7:59 Basically almost every actor or director involved in Superhero movies when they’re asked about the movie they’re in and what story it’s adapting or based on.
I read Batman: Shaman in a single afternoon before watching this episode, absolutely loved it. 7 minutes in and Sal's already saying this story arc is no one's favourite Batman story... Jokes on you, Sal.
This did turn out to be a really cool story. I actually like that Bruce ended up telling the story because this is still a young, inexperienced Bruce. He spent all those years honing his body and mind, but that doesn't translate to being socially conscious in any way. I like that he ended up thoughtlessly doing something pretty boneheaded and then had to see and live with the consequences. But what I LOVED was the conclusion to the whole cult plot. I love seeing Batman really go to great lengths to spread his legend as this pseudo-supernatural being. Having stories like this permeating the environment lends credence to the idea that Batman would be considered an urban legend. And it also was just pure awesome.
*Alaskan Girl:* “Please…don’t appropriate my culture.” *Bruce:* narrows eyes *Bruce (one year later):* returns to Alaska, finds her, leans in close to her “Can’t appropriate what doesn’t exist. Now give me that mask.” *Alaskan Girl:* “Wh-what’re you going to do with it?” *Bruce:* _”Nothing.”_
The golden age Gordon/Wayne relationship sounds like the 1920's fictional amature detective Philo Vance and his New York DA pal.I'm stumped your rich and smart here is all the files and access to the crime scene you solve it.
Whether Robert Pattinson has actually read Shaman or not (and I think he has), it was really cool to hear the actor of a big superhero film talk about this story.
I think a bunch of commenters here don't realized that Matt Reeves wrote and directed The Batman, not Robert Pattinson. Its 100% could be Reeves gave Pattinson books to read for reference and Shaman was one of them and was his favourite. Thats the extend of it. Don't give Pattinson writing and directing credit too lol. Thats all Matt Reeves.
@@comicpop Its just wild seeing some people mentioning things that Reeves was responsible for, but for some reason Pattinson was being praised for it. Yeah Pattinson was great at his role, so give him credit for that instead and not for the other things too.
39:00 Sal you of all people should know that Bruce drinks ginger ale in champagne glasses. It’s literally a line in your favorite what you’ve repeatedly called the greatest Batman Comic of all time.
@@comicpop ok thanks a lot of people keep saying read the long Halloween next but I wanna go in as much of a consecutive order as I can it's quite difficult jumping into this after 1000 Batman issues but I guess u know that as whell lol
@@burgerking8475 I did and they were very good I'm up to the last Halloween but I wanted to read a real comic of that and not digital and I haven't found one yet might order it online I'm not reading that one digitally thou
this comic is awesome i can see someone being inspired by it. also they should've brought this comic up during dark knights metal. the people could be followers of barbatos and the gun didn't hurt him because he was protected by a literal bat god.
Wow, the rare L take from Sal. I LOVE this book, and so do any Batman fans that I let borrow it. I really enjoy those early LoTDK books before they became done-in-ones. They not only are self contained and easy to read, but they somehow capture that same feeling of reading year one. It made the mythos feel more real than it had before, and for the most part, since. I also enjoy how they have a slight hint of the supernatural like with Mr. Whisper or the Shaman, but leaves the door open for you to be a non-believer. Kind of like JMS's Spider-Man but less forced. Also, unflattering portrayal of Native Americans? Where? Just because minorities are in an old work of art doesn't make it racist. I could believe Pattinson read it too, it's not THAT obscure, early in continuity, similar in tone to The Batman, and made to be approachable EDIT: he sort of came around by the end of the video
I love the cut of Ethan beginning to list Superhero movies and it immediately cutting after Superman 😂
Pretty sure nothing else got released around that time….nothing at all 😂
@@lebeaumuni6247 definitely, but the comedic timing is just emphasized by the editing 🤣
I love how theguys spout out Green Hornet lines from Franco 😂
"I'll spread your legend."
I can see where Battinson might take inspiration from this story. Seeing as it's a younger, inexperienced Batman and he's actually showcasing his detective skills.
I feel like Pattinson actually did read this and enjoyed it, because this story is just weird enough that he'd love it and draw some esoteric knowledge out of it.
Agreed. He also named Batman: Returns as his favorite Batman movie. I believe him, he just digs some of the more weird/obscure kind of elements.
Yeah, you can tell from the interviews leading up to the premiere that he read a ton of Batman comics like he said he did, with this and Court of Owls being his two favorites.
When he, Paul Dano, Jeffrey Wright and Zoe Kravitz did the Vanity Fair fan theories episode, they had to pause because Pattinson and Dano were having their own nerdy Convo about a Batman comic Pattinson recommended.
I like Sal but I think he's sometimes too quick to judge.
Bait and sinker.
I agree. It's a shame how much hate he gets when he actually brought us the detective Batman in movies.
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I'm pretty sure Sal knows this but I'ma say it anyway: Gordon's personality in this comic actually does track with how Pre Crisis Jim treated Bruce. In one of the first Detective Comics Jim does THIS EXACT THING and invites Bruce Wayne to an active crime scene. It's kinda crazy
That happens literally in Batman's first appearance. 😂
I am very surprised someone didn’t say “My butler is a JUNKIE!” when Ben was joking about Alfred taking the heroin lol
I had the same thought lol
You can call me a liar, like with Robert Pattinson, but this comic have a special place in my shelves, because it was a present from my father when I started reading superhero comics. It was one of my first Batman comics
I think it’s great that Robert Pattinson said this was one of his favorites. I’m glad he didn’t say something like The Dark Knight Returns which was been played out to death by everyone who says they read comics but they actually just read the greatest hits. It showed me he actually read a bunch of different stories.
It is my favorite Batman story, actually it was my first Batman comic book along with adventures series so that could be partially due to nostalgia but it’s still decent.
1:02:09 that car is a 1960 biscayne. The fins on the back of the 1959 and 1960 Chevy line were known colloquially as "bat wings"
I remember searching the internet for some sort of reference of continuity to read Batman in following ‘year one’ and came across this title. I was so excited to find it at a comic shop n really enjoyed it and is def in my head canon
I love that Ben thought the same thing I did at the same moment about Bane! Lol
Also, Batman Forever, Val Kilmer, the Dr.with the whole mask thing.....maybe...
They should totally do Batman: Dark Victory the direct sequel to Long Halloween!!
In defence of Pattinson’s defence. As a Canadian, who shares more imports and publishing deals with the UK. (We were a former colony who were given independence rather than go to war for it).
Our local libraries had a library edition collection of Batman books, and the featured comic, with its art on the hardcover, was Batman Shaman. I read this countless times as a kid, and I’d confidently say this copy was published in the UK (most of our library edition collections were).
I will also say, Batman is often portrayed as being still and stoic in this book, it’s artistically very moody and gothic (jump to 25:07 )
@@benparrish672 what on Earth are you talking about?
I'm so glad I found you guys in 2015.
Dennis O'Neil saw the "YOU WANNA GET NUTS?!" scene, and he took it to heart
25:08 This shot does feel very Battinson. Particularly the intro
Another parallel this book predicts is the Bat/Vulture connection. Batman 89 - Batman is played by Michael Keaton who would then play The Vulture in Spider-Man Homecoming, thus showing how he is both the villain and hero.
Top 5 Batman arc ever.
One of my first Batman stories I went in blind reading. Really enjoyed your guy's look at at this (I always do!)
Oh boy the first Batman legends of the dark knight story this is going to be really awesome and tons of fun.
Week 7 of demanding Infamous Iron Man on Back Issues And DOOM'S WORD SHALL NOT BE DISOBEYED!!!
Doom......the Karen of marvel😂
@@darthpaul490 😂😂😂😂
@@darthpaul490 No Karen's generally only have the power of calling the manager....
@@Ashguy733 Doom calls the manager just for it to be another Doom
@@Extradecentskeleton Doom literally is his own manager, dude has Doombots that do his bidding that are used for more trivial matters.
The "ridiculous beep" is the Batman 66 theme song... 😂
Clicked so fast! I love when Sal and Crew go back to older Batman stories. I remember the Shaman story and loved the artwork.
Also I must say that even tho TDKR changed how most ppl viewed Batman, I think Denny O'Neil did that first. He brought in a more serious tone in Batman before Miller did.
I agree with your comment on Denny O'Neil. I also enjoy Steve Englehart and Gerry Conways run on Batman.
This has been in reprint HELL. I've seen it listed for a reprint no less than 5 times since 2016. For a few years the official DC website even claimed a new printing was released when it never was.
I’m always hyped for a new Back Issues
I don't know about favorite, but this is definitely in my top 5 Batman story arcs. One of the comics that really stuck out from my early collecting days. And I can directly credit Batman '89 for getting me in to comics, so, technically, I did read this because of the movie.
That TITLE card.... Fuggin Butter.
I can't wait for someone to retcon that Chubala was actually Barbatos
30 minutes in and this is just a fun tale to listen to. I can only speculate what a ridiculous ending this will have lol
"Hello, Speedy. It is me Alfred. I have what you are looking for."
Since they've already done the first two Legends of the Dark Knight stories, I can't wait for them to do Batman: Prey (arguably the best Hugo Strange story).
I miss the piano outro/intro. I love the class it gave the show. Maybe im the minority
Thank TH-cam for forcing us to stop.
@@comicpop man youtube really sucking the fun outta creators videos
25:07-25:15 I know there was a large amount of time spent discrediting Bat Pat's take on this, but Sal, That is 110% the impetus for the opening reveal of The Batman when he's clunking through the darkness like a slasher villain lol.
90s artistic Batman art is some of my favorite / best Batman art out there, This should be fun
Ya know sometimes I look at the comments to see any further discussion of the topic but all I’ve understood is that Doom is THE ultimate Karen of the marvel universe
I remember reading this, being a bit put off, and then being surprised as I got into it.
The final tricky showdown with the cult leader is magic!
6:25-7:59 Basically almost every actor or director involved in Superhero movies when they’re asked about the movie they’re in and what story it’s adapting or based on.
43:20 time to make some heroine toast *proceeds to have a good time before having a bad time*
the bit at 43:59 might be the funniest thing to ever come from the couch. Def top 3
I really liked this one, early career batman stories are always fun
I read Batman: Shaman in a single afternoon before watching this episode, absolutely loved it. 7 minutes in and Sal's already saying this story arc is no one's favourite Batman story... Jokes on you, Sal.
Hell yeah another legends of the dark knight episode
I love recommending Shaman as a companion piece to Year One, I love it as an introduction to the more esoteric batman stories.
One of your best, guys!
Ah... Wednesday. The best of days to watch the best of shows. 🙏
Perhaps the final Batman cover represents Batman the legend being eternal.
Legends of the dark knight is dope! Love the books youve done from them, ill add this to my read list in DC U now!
The “Hook” reference made this episode even better
This did turn out to be a really cool story. I actually like that Bruce ended up telling the story because this is still a young, inexperienced Bruce. He spent all those years honing his body and mind, but that doesn't translate to being socially conscious in any way. I like that he ended up thoughtlessly doing something pretty boneheaded and then had to see and live with the consequences. But what I LOVED was the conclusion to the whole cult plot. I love seeing Batman really go to great lengths to spread his legend as this pseudo-supernatural being. Having stories like this permeating the environment lends credence to the idea that Batman would be considered an urban legend. And it also was just pure awesome.
Watching this channel is like watching someone who’s into comics discussing about them with he’s friends who don’t read comics.
You just described the premise of the show.
Bruce doesn't kill bats...but he doesn't have to save them either.
I read this when I was a little kid.
Too young because it didn't make sense to mee.
Loved the art though (and especially the covers)
*Alaskan Girl:* “Please…don’t appropriate my culture.”
*Bruce:* narrows eyes
*Bruce (one year later):* returns to Alaska, finds her, leans in close to her
“Can’t appropriate what doesn’t exist. Now give me that mask.”
*Alaskan Girl:* “Wh-what’re you going to do with it?”
*Bruce:* _”Nothing.”_
There are at least SIX different known species of bats in Alaska. The More You Know...
26:22
Did… did Ethan just make a Seth Rogen Green Hornet reference?
I love this channel.
Shaman is in my top 10, I will throw down
21:25 Scott will probably retcon that the shaman was placed by Barbatos so he becomes Batman
Incredible! Unhinged... but incredible.
34:49 sal out hear just trying his best
The golden age Gordon/Wayne relationship sounds like the 1920's fictional amature detective Philo Vance and his New York DA pal.I'm stumped your rich and smart here is all the files and access to the crime scene you solve it.
This one's been a long time coming, boys! You guys are the best and never fail to brighten up my day. ❤️😊
Love these early post year one Batman stories.
There's a large chance Rob is lying as he lied for most of the press run for all of the Twilight movies, which adds to my enjoyment of this episode.
Sorry but Shaman is one of my favorite stories.
It's here! btw, I really want to see the episode for batman abduction's sequel.
Batman: Cult is a 10/10 pick for me
Whether Robert Pattinson has actually read Shaman or not (and I think he has), it was really cool to hear the actor of a big superhero film talk about this story.
Still no hope for 52 😢
I think a bunch of commenters here don't realized that Matt Reeves wrote and directed The Batman, not Robert Pattinson. Its 100% could be Reeves gave Pattinson books to read for reference and Shaman was one of them and was his favourite. Thats the extend of it. Don't give Pattinson writing and directing credit too lol. Thats all Matt Reeves.
Don't worry, nobody is.
@@comicpop Its just wild seeing some people mentioning things that Reeves was responsible for, but for some reason Pattinson was being praised for it. Yeah Pattinson was great at his role, so give him credit for that instead and not for the other things too.
Have you seen some of his other films? Robert for sure read this and liked it lol.
39:00 Sal you of all people should know that Bruce drinks ginger ale in champagne glasses. It’s literally a line in your favorite what you’ve repeatedly called the greatest Batman Comic of all time.
I don't know why I thought that said shazam 😂
The endless jokes about Batman killing everyone who may know his secret are hilarious
I like Pulaski I think people just dislike her cause she used to give fan favorite Data shit
I think Robert Pattinson read stuff.
This is the one book collection i keep holding out for dc to reprint.
One step closer to Batman: Odyssey.
Funny that Sal mentions Batman 89 being huge considering what just happened in Zdarsky's run
Is this a sequel to year one I read this directly after year one just want to make sure I'm following the right order
Yes
@@comicpop ok thanks a lot of people keep saying read the long Halloween next but I wanna go in as much of a consecutive order as I can it's quite difficult jumping into this after 1000 Batman issues but I guess u know that as whell lol
@@RedRider763read “Monster Men” and “Mad Monk” both by Matt Wagner. Those serve as nice sequels to Year One. They’re great
@@burgerking8475 I did and they were very good I'm up to the last Halloween but I wanted to read a real comic of that and not digital and I haven't found one yet might order it online I'm not reading that one digitally thou
SUPERMAN SECRET IDENTITY!!!!!!!!!!
I knew it! SUPERMAN IS BRUCE WAYNE! IT ALL FITS! we're past the looking glass people.....
OH yes please I love that elseworlds story so much! The art is GORGEOUS
Happy birthday, Denny O'Neil!
If Battenson had said legends of the dark knight: sanctum or faces. That I'd believe.
But those are way more obscure 😂
What luck, a Bat Issues on a dreary, rainy day!
Yes it's the best time of the week and it's a bat issue!
@30:58 why does he look like Mayor Hill from Batman the Animated series? LOL
I disagree. Shocker is an awesome movie! Never gonna win an Oscar, but I think it's fun.
There's no way Pattinson pulled Shaman out of thin air as his favorite book. It's too niche imo
I do like the new end credits sequence of the episodes, but I miss the music. 😢
this comic is awesome i can see someone being inspired by it. also they should've brought this comic up during dark knights metal. the people could be followers of barbatos and the gun didn't hurt him because he was protected by a literal bat god.
You know Robert Pattinson likes to troll people, especially in interviews
41:00 the scalp joke is be a short
Fangorn Forrest? Worse...the Pine Barrens!
Home of the Jersey Devil
Batissues returns?
Wooo Batman Wenesday 😊
Love this book
Heh, interesting they are doing this story today. I just ordered this story arc. A shame it’s not collected somewhere
Here's me kindly asking you guys to cover Barry Windsor-Smith's Weapon X❤️
Never expected to hear my last name in a batman comic 😂
What? Thompkins? O'Neill? Pattinson?
Hope you will do "Strange Apparitions" one day...
Wow, the rare L take from Sal. I LOVE this book, and so do any Batman fans that I let borrow it. I really enjoy those early LoTDK books before they became done-in-ones. They not only are self contained and easy to read, but they somehow capture that same feeling of reading year one. It made the mythos feel more real than it had before, and for the most part, since. I also enjoy how they have a slight hint of the supernatural like with Mr. Whisper or the Shaman, but leaves the door open for you to be a non-believer. Kind of like JMS's Spider-Man but less forced.
Also, unflattering portrayal of Native Americans? Where? Just because minorities are in an old work of art doesn't make it racist.
I could believe Pattinson read it too, it's not THAT obscure, early in continuity, similar in tone to The Batman, and made to be approachable
EDIT: he sort of came around by the end of the video