One thing it's worth moving from SSD to HDD if you have both fitted is your browser cache. That involves lots of writes and can result in unnecessary wear.
Superb and useful information. As a photographer, I use a HDD for storage, because I work with pictures and videos all the time. The SSD drive is only used for programs and other. I might be wrong, but I imagine, it will prolong the lifespan of the SSD.
i bought a samsung 840 evo 250gb in 2013 from currys, it always got/gets heavy use, still going strong now, never been formated only once when i bought it to install windows, its been in several different laptops and pc's, currently in my gaming pc, got so much crap on it, health showing at 78% 😁
Umm... No? The only thing that should / could be cool is the SSD controller. The actual NAND chips have higher lifespans when running "warm". Say ~40C. Any cooler can result in degraded life span when writing to the drive. Cold is more likely to kill NAND than Hot. . .
@@webserververse5749 I used substandard parts in my first build and I would always get warning that the PC was overheating, two SSD failed on that machine. Built my last rig for £5500, Seven expensive fans and I've never had a problem with it..... I still think keeping the overall system cool is the best method.
Not long enough, evidently. My 2 and a half year old Kingston SSD is already down to 89% health. An HDD of the same age would be purring along perfectly fine, and I wouldn't even have to worry about how much data I've written.
I've been using SSDs where I work and at home since they came out. I found most of the time the drive outlasted the computer. With normal use the computer will be changed before the drive is worn out. I use a decent mechanical hard drives for writing data. With a computer of more than about 4 years old, when changing for a new computer I would put in a new SSD. I usually change my computers after about 5 years. I have had SSDs fail on their own. Where I was working they had over 100 computers on the floor. These computers are heavily used 24/7. Over a three year period there were maybe three failures. At home I have five computers. I had only one SSD failure since maybe the last 6 years. It was during warranty. When I sent the SSD back to the manufacture they gave me a new one. The new one worked out very well. When I build new computers I put in all new drives. I put the old SSDs and data drives in to external USB cases and use them for data backups. These drives last a long time when used only for external data backup. I do image backups on to mechanical hard drives, because doing large image backups on to SSDs would kill them very quickly since there are limited writes. I do individual mass file backups for archival on to the SSD drives. About every month or so I connect the SSDs to the USB port on to a computer so the drive will not have data fade over time. SSD drives if not powered up for a long period of time can have data fade. I also connect the mechanical drives on to a USB port to allow them to spin up. Letting a drive sit for a very long time can lead to the main spindle motor bearings to seize up especially if it is an older drive with a lot of hours on it.
I have a KIngston 120GIG ssd and its been fine since 2014 ..bought when they were quite expensive ..done quite a bit of Gaming too ...so 7 years so far .
I learned the hard way, by not doing my research. In 2018 I bought a Hp Omen, put in a 1tb WD Black with 2 partitions, one for my main OS and the second for testing different OS's, after about a year or so the SSD went out. After this experience I no longer do any testing on my daily PC, and bought a testing PC.
I pondered this question and decided to take the plunge. My Desktop has one fitted as the Boot Drive but I also use Hard Disks for Data so the write cycle is lower. I fitted one to my LapTop and fitted the installed HD into the Optical Drive Bay for use in a similar way, but I do not use the LapTop very often. I have a USB Optical Drive Burner for those occaisions I may need it. You do not indicate what the prior warning signs of imminet failure are. Are there any?
Great video, just a question, its a well known fact that if you accidentally drop a mechanical HDD to the floor the chances are that drive will get severally damaged and you would lose your data, my question is what would happen if you accidentally drop an SDD drive ? will it survive the fall? thanks and cheers!
I have a 1tb Samsung ssd that is 2tb from its TBW rating and 30% full...it's over 5 years old and I'm very happy with it...normal use..no editing or heavy gaming...Samsung magician says still good..when I ask what happens when it exceeds its TBW I get different answers. The lab tests aren't always the same as user experience. (Got it all backed up and it's replacement is standing by).
I forget who did the study but they’ve been testing some SSDs for over 5 years right now. None have failed in the test. I have an SSD running on a system that is over six years old and it keeps trudging along.
Solid state , means down' to the basic level transistors ! That's transistors holding either on and off states. Those states are binary one and zeros . As you know those ones and zeros are data So it real depends on the amount of transistor read/write failures over time That's how I look at it, super fast transistors switching logic states
Why would gaming kill a SSD any faster than any other task? Video games are write once and read many. There is no reason to state that gaming will result in lower life span. Makes zero sense.
I bought a samsung 970 nvme SSD back in 2018. So 5 years almost 6. Read and Write speeds are the same as day 1 and no errors found in Samsung Magician. So it keeps on going just fine. Also i have 17.5 TBW. Samsung specifies that the drive is capable of up to 150 TBW. I don't know maybe i'll keep it forever :P
Here is the data sheet for your drive documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/internal-drives/wd-blue-nvme-ssd/data-sheet-wd-blue-sn550-nvme-ssd-idk.pdf
Thanks for giving particular mention to the WD_BLACK series, an ad for the line was, weirdly enough, how I first learned of the M.2 NVME form factor, let alone that my motherboard supports it! XD
Days ago I just saw a video, explaining that NUMBER OF WRITES in SDDs DOESN'T MATTER, is too much and chances are it is beyond the PC lifespan, the issue are other things like electronics and CHIPs attached to them, MAY FAIL AT ANY MIOMENT, and without warning like HDDs
Bro any suggestions for bypassing plundervolt fix issue by bios update. Its unfair how these have been pushed causing all undervolting settings to waste. I even roll back the version and restored defaults yet the undervolting is not unlockable. Please give some idea. I know bios modding is one way but I feel not so confident and worry if I will brick my laptop. If no other way then teach safe way to mod bios please.
Nice video bro Btw I have a question again, is it ok that during windows reinstallation through media creation tool, laptop goes zero percent on battery and turns off and after a while plugging it and turning it on again to continue, will my windows work correctly or not?? Thnx 😊😊😊
Some folks use a SSD for the OS only with a Mechanical drive? Is there any benefit these days for doing so? My first SSD will be in 4 years for a new computer for 11. Although if there is a substantial benefit for a smaller SSD just for my OS(10 Pro) I may do so. Thanks and as always👍
@@Britec09 Was asking if a quality SSD for the OS and a Mechanical drive for the rest is still a good idea as far as speed goes and perhaps SSD lifespan, lets say a 250 GB SSD
i had a samsung evo 860 fail after 2 years and ozc, sandisk, intel, wd,and crucial still going strong after 5 years, l only use the op system on the ssd and all my home folders on a spinning drive
hello i need help with an issue ive been having with my pc . when every i try to open anything like . files . setting . programs . nothing shows up even tho those thing are open and show on task bar . when i hover my mouse on them i can see it from the mini window but nothing more then that.. i cant see anything when i search it on google . ıf anyone knows my problem or got a video about this pls share it with me
ive not had the pleasure of a nvme drive yet i have ssd drives for games and system quickness i also use a normal hard drive for my downloads as i think this will handle the constant download then delete cycle i subject it to i destroyed a brand new 2tb ssd by accident fitting it so i dont touch them now
well I have had in the last ten years five Hdd and five SSD, and two nvme drives, I have replaced the Hdd 1-4 at the nine and ten year time number 5 I don"t count As i dropped it and broke it. The 2" inch sdd all died at one year of use, and the two nvme drives only lasted one month, I do not know why they died but 100% faller at one mount or one year, not worth the money, my HDD lasted a lot longer. But like all mechcanial thing they will were out in time but as they last at lest 9 years they are worth it, even if slow compared to SSD/NVME drives.
They should last a long time as long as they are powered hdds can last on a shelf unpowered for 20 years ssd will only last on a shelf 6 months unpowered you just have to make sure they powered☺️.
I get asked this question a lot, so he is the answer is the most simplest way I could put it. Drop us a LIKE 👍
More research should have been done on how NAND flash operates and degrades. Definitely spreading some misconceptions.
One thing it's worth moving from SSD to HDD if you have both fitted is your browser cache. That involves lots of writes and can result in unnecessary wear.
Superb and useful information.
As a photographer, I use a HDD for storage, because I work with pictures and videos all the time. The SSD drive is only used for programs and other.
I might be wrong, but I imagine, it will prolong the lifespan of the SSD.
If you have a good SSD, then use it for images and videos.
i bought a samsung 840 evo 250gb in 2013 from currys, it always got/gets heavy use, still going strong now, never been formated only once when i bought it to install windows, its been in several different laptops and pc's, currently in my gaming pc, got so much crap on it, health showing at 78% 😁
Yeah man mine as well my 500 GB EVO from 2016 still up and running same speed read write no data loss ever I filled it up many times no issues
Depends on heat, keep the PC cool and the SSD should last.
Umm... No? The only thing that should / could be cool is the SSD controller. The actual NAND chips have higher lifespans when running "warm". Say ~40C. Any cooler can result in degraded life span when writing to the drive.
Cold is more likely to kill NAND than Hot. . .
@@webserververse5749 I used substandard parts in my first build and I would always get warning that the PC was overheating, two SSD failed on that machine. Built my last rig for £5500, Seven expensive fans and I've never had a problem with it..... I still think keeping the overall system cool is the best method.
To be simple, just keep your SSD in a stable temperature
@@ambatukam_omagoyd Didn't someone water cool his SSD? I remember reading about it?
Thank you Sir. I’ll have to research my SSD now
Cool
Good video...keep up thr good work...well done.
Not long enough, evidently. My 2 and a half year old Kingston SSD is already down to 89% health. An HDD of the same age would be purring along perfectly fine, and I wouldn't even have to worry about how much data I've written.
Sounds like you brought a budget drive for intensive work.
To the point video.
Amazing as always.
Thanks again!
I've been using SSDs where I work and at home since they came out. I found most of the time the drive outlasted the computer. With normal use the computer will be changed before the drive is worn out. I use a decent mechanical hard drives for writing data. With a computer of more than about 4 years old, when changing for a new computer I would put in a new SSD. I usually change my computers after about 5 years.
I have had SSDs fail on their own. Where I was working they had over 100 computers on the floor. These computers are heavily used 24/7. Over a three year period there were maybe three failures.
At home I have five computers. I had only one SSD failure since maybe the last 6 years. It was during warranty. When I sent the SSD back to the manufacture they gave me a new one. The new one worked out very well.
When I build new computers I put in all new drives. I put the old SSDs and data drives in to external USB cases and use them for data backups. These drives last a long time when used only for external data backup. I do image backups on to mechanical hard drives, because doing large image backups on to SSDs would kill them very quickly since there are limited writes. I do individual mass file backups for archival on to the SSD drives.
About every month or so I connect the SSDs to the USB port on to a computer so the drive will not have data fade over time. SSD drives if not powered up for a long period of time can have data fade. I also connect the mechanical drives on to a USB port to allow them to spin up. Letting a drive sit for a very long time can lead to the main spindle motor bearings to seize up especially if it is an older drive with a lot of hours on it.
Yeah, they can outlast the PC before new technology come out
I've been following your videos for a long time, so I inspired you to create my own channel. Thank you
That's awesome!
I have a KIngston 120GIG ssd and its been fine since 2014 ..bought when they were
quite expensive ..done quite a bit of Gaming too ...so 7 years so far .
I learned the hard way, by not doing my research. In 2018 I bought a Hp Omen, put in a 1tb WD Black with 2 partitions, one for my main OS and the second for testing different OS's, after about a year or so the SSD went out. After this experience I no longer do any testing on my daily PC, and bought a testing PC.
Yeah, when SSD fail, they can just die. :(
@@Britec09 I even tried to use a USB adapter and it would not recognize.
I pondered this question and decided to take the plunge. My Desktop has one fitted as the Boot Drive but I also use Hard Disks for Data so the write cycle is lower. I fitted one to my LapTop and fitted the installed HD into the Optical Drive Bay for use in a similar way, but I do not use the LapTop very often. I have a USB Optical Drive Burner for those occaisions I may need it.
You do not indicate what the prior warning signs of imminet failure are. Are there any?
I always come away from your tutorials feeling a bit wiser. Keep up the good work.
Glad to hear that!
Great video, just a question, its a well known fact that if you accidentally drop a mechanical HDD to the floor the chances are that drive will get severally damaged and you would lose your data, my question is what would happen if you accidentally drop an SDD drive ? will it survive the fall? thanks and cheers!
best thing you can do is to avoid dropping these delicate components, you have to be careful
If you drop a SSD, it should be fine.
@@Britec09 Thanks, Ill have that in mind..
@@nux3960 chances are you will destroy yor drive, its like droping a phone
@@blosslyn4326 ok...
Good video bruddah
Cheers
this reminds me to test my old SSD. Might be using that with the RasPi 4 I bought if it tests ok.
Thanks for the video and reminder
hmm a member
@@supermarioguardian4285 and ?
Yeah, check it out. Should be OK
Great job and video
Thanks!
Brian, haven't checked in for a bit. How are you feeling? And your brother??
Thanks as always for the quality content.
I am feeling 90% and my brother is still in ICU intensive care.
@@Britec09 Good Lord! Forza to your brother 💪🏼💪🏼
Great video!!
Thanks!
You resolved my problem britec
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You're welcome
You sound like Toby who taught the Microsoft Office 2016 application programs on the Excel at Business course.
I have a 1tb Samsung ssd that is 2tb from its TBW rating and 30% full...it's over 5 years old and I'm very happy with it...normal use..no editing or heavy gaming...Samsung magician says still good..when I ask what happens when it exceeds its TBW I get different answers. The lab tests aren't always the same as user experience. (Got it all backed up and it's replacement is standing by).
Samsung is a very good choice.
I have a old 2010 OCZ-VERTEX2 with 27701 hours and it still working fine
I have two of those die on me, but that was early days of SSD
Anyone knows the nameof this song? 7:05
I forget who did the study but they’ve been testing some SSDs for over 5 years right now. None have failed in the test. I have an SSD running on a system that is over six years old and it keeps trudging along.
Solid state , means down' to the basic level transistors ! That's transistors holding either on and off states. Those states are binary one and zeros . As you know those ones and zeros are data So it real depends on the amount of transistor read/write failures over time That's how I look at it, super fast transistors switching logic states
I have seen a few bad SSD over the years, some even good branded names.
I have samsung 850 evo 1000tb writes still healthy and working fine 6 years daily use
Lovely
Thanks for share.
My pleasure
Why would gaming kill a SSD any faster than any other task? Video games are write once and read many. There is no reason to state that gaming will result in lower life span. Makes zero sense.
Have a question, how did 6.1 TB of data get written in just 167 power on count?
I bought a samsung 970 nvme SSD back in 2018. So 5 years almost 6. Read and Write speeds are the same as day 1 and no errors found in Samsung Magician. So it keeps on going just fine. Also i have 17.5 TBW. Samsung specifies that the drive is capable of up to 150 TBW. I don't know maybe i'll keep it forever :P
Thank you.
I have a refurbished corsair 2.5 ssd from corsair a refurbesh drive bought from aria many years ago only 60 gig but still working well .
Nice
The only information on my western digital blue sn550 is 3d nand, what is 3d nand?
Here is the data sheet for your drive documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/internal-drives/wd-blue-nvme-ssd/data-sheet-wd-blue-sn550-nvme-ssd-idk.pdf
@@Britec09 thank you mate
Thanks for giving particular mention to the WD_BLACK series, an ad for the line was, weirdly enough, how I first learned of the M.2 NVME form factor, let alone that my motherboard supports it! XD
Its a good idea to buy an ssd
" used" at a "cheaper" price?
I never buy used hard drives or SSD. Why? never knows what's been stored on them
@@Britec09 thanks
Hi I have a question I have two SSD
I backup by doing a full drive image backup to a USB HD once a month does this hurt the ssd's?
😁😁😁
Thanks.
By the way, do we have to change ssds after how much time?
When they start to fail.
@@Britec09 at like, almost everything?
Days ago I just saw a video, explaining that NUMBER OF WRITES in SDDs DOESN'T MATTER, is too much and chances are it is beyond the PC lifespan, the issue are other things like electronics and CHIPs attached to them, MAY FAIL AT ANY MIOMENT, and without warning like HDDs
Bro any suggestions for bypassing plundervolt fix issue by bios update. Its unfair how these have been pushed causing all undervolting settings to waste. I even roll back the version and restored defaults yet the undervolting is not unlockable. Please give some idea. I know bios modding is one way but I feel not so confident and worry if I will brick my laptop. If no other way then teach safe way to mod bios please.
Nice video bro
Btw I have a question again, is it ok that during windows reinstallation through media creation tool, laptop goes zero percent on battery and turns off and after a while plugging it and turning it on again to continue, will my windows work correctly or not??
Thnx 😊😊😊
Never turn off computer during Windows update process.
@@Britec09 oh no I have to reinstall it again now for the 3rd time 😢
Btw thnx for your help bro, you are always helpful ♥️♥️♥️
Some folks use a SSD for the OS only with a Mechanical drive? Is there any benefit these days for doing so? My first SSD will be in 4 years for a new computer for 11. Although if there is a substantial benefit for a smaller SSD just for my OS(10 Pro) I may do so. Thanks and as always👍
Large SSD are still expensive
@@Britec09 ??
@@Britec09 Not my point?
@@ethimself5064 Mechanical drives are a lot slower, so having that as a main OS drive in 2021 is no a good idea. I think thats what your asking.
@@Britec09 Was asking if a quality SSD for the OS and a Mechanical drive for the rest is still a good idea as far as speed goes and perhaps SSD lifespan, lets say a 250 GB SSD
I think health dropped because the health is determined by ssd specific s.m.a.r.t. Attributes no. 177 wear leveling count
I figure the more expensive it is the better it is lol. Having some upgrades done to m,y laptop. The machine should croak before the ssd's do.
No flies on you lol
Yeppers, expensive ones last longer. Samsung ssds are probably best options. They more on expensive side than others but so is the quality.
My SSD Health is about 97% and have pace of 90 or 80GB and for me it's OK.
I will use HDD for Now cuz SSD are not so quiet Enough for Large Games!
TeamGroup T-Force Cardea Zero Z440 1 TB Pcie Nvme SSD has 1800 TBW limit.
My nvme shows current mode pcie 3.0x2 but supported mode is 3.0x4 . Due to this I am getting just half the speed . Please help
join my discord for help
AVOID PNY. Seriously, PNY is the worst for reliability. I cannot stress enough, AVOID PNY!
The ones I recommend are in video description
Please help my SSD sometimes shows speed of 900 and sometimes 1700 I need help
That don't sound good. What's the brand? try crystaldiskinfo
@@Britec09 Kingston a2000
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Welcome back
i had a samsung evo 860 fail after 2 years and ozc, sandisk, intel, wd,and crucial still going strong after 5 years, l only use the op system on the ssd and all my home folders on a spinning drive
Its hit and miss with a lot of SSD. What works for someone, might be a bad experience for someone else
hello i need help with an issue ive been having with my pc
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when every i try to open anything like . files . setting . programs . nothing shows up even tho those thing are open and show on task bar . when i hover my mouse on them i can see it from the mini window but nothing more then that.. i cant see anything when i search it on google . ıf anyone knows my problem or got a video about this pls share it with me
When your programs are open and showing on the taskbar, try right clicking on an empty part of the the taskbar and choose ‘cascade windows’.
@@netpilot5 I tried nothing... the only thing I can open is chrome
ive not had the pleasure of a nvme drive yet i have ssd drives for games and system quickness i also use a normal hard drive for my downloads as i think this will handle the constant download then delete cycle i subject it to i destroyed a brand new 2tb ssd by accident fitting it so i dont touch them now
NVME are super fast
I suppose my Hyundai 480 won't last too long. At $28 U.S., it's tough to complain.
I am Britec FRIEND
well I have had in the last ten years five Hdd and five SSD, and two nvme drives, I have replaced the Hdd 1-4 at the nine and ten year time number 5 I don"t count As i dropped it and broke it. The 2" inch sdd all died at one year of use, and the two nvme drives only lasted one month, I do not know why they died but 100% faller at one mount or one year, not worth the money, my HDD lasted a lot longer. But like all mechcanial thing they will were out in time but as they last at lest 9 years they are worth it, even if slow compared to SSD/NVME drives.
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Maybe be around 5 year
Depends on what your doing with the drive and what type it is.
They should last a long time as long as they are powered hdds can last on a shelf unpowered for 20 years ssd will only last on a shelf 6 months unpowered you just have to make sure they powered☺️.
If you use a good one, then yes
Till they stop working.
Nvme gang
Yeah, they are super fast.
HDD are much better in longevity
I am not so sure on that if you buy a good SSD
@@Britec09 i am not sure if ssd can last 15 years of continously work
Got it, you don't the answer.
longer than HDD that's for sure
really? sdd lasts more than hdd? I'm not aware of it
Yeah, even the QLC will last long time
I have a 7 years old HGST HDD still working. So, kind of depends. All my SSDs are still less than 3 years old. A Crucial MX500 and Sandisk Ultra 3D.
Im so early
Yes you are.
First
I am always first
@@Britec09 Yeah I forgot, you are first I'm second 😅 LOL
SSDs last up to 30 years.
USELESS INFORMATION
Thanks