Best intro on this entire channel. F***ing hilarious. But I do need to correct you on one point: HDD's do have a rated workload limit, check the spec sheet. For both the Ironwolf Pro 24TB and Exos X24 24TB it's 550TB/year. Considering they come with a 5 year warranty, the expected lifetime is 2750TB. And this covers both read and write operations on HDD's unlike SSD's where only write operations are counted. If you really hammer these HDD's with 24TB a day like you mention in your video, from a reliability point they will be considered end of life after just 4 months. Many do last way beyond that as it's not the storage medium that degrades like with SSD's. But the mechanical moving parts like the actuator arm and heads do have a limited life span.
Only advantage of a HDD is space. If you're using a drive for storage, and not writing from it, but using it a lot for reads, then the NVMe will last for decades, whereas the HDD won't last even half that long. Even if the NVMe's write gets filled, you can still read from it. I have had no NVMe's go bad, but some SATA SSD'S have gone bad, especially from certain manufacturers, and many more HDD's have gone bad.
Using a quartet of 2.5" Seagate 5TB HDDs in a RAID as a Time Machine backup archive for my home network. Gives me about 14TB of Mac back ups overall which is perfect for my needs. The NAS on my Win10/11 systems is a bit bigger.
Well, i had 4x 20tb X20 exos on my ds923+, its running without raid, but i have 2 nvme 250GB samsung ssds, for cache in raid 0 , i think its enough, i did think about doing raid 0 OR 1 for HDDs but even with my 10G isp speed you will not see any changes on your mobile phones photos app, or plex. 20tb was the price to performance best hdd 1 year ago, but now we have 24tb versions, iam waiting black friday to buy 24tb drives, already sold 2 of 4 hdds and 1 hdd on Unifi pro max, 1 left for my photos app and couple movies, plex waiting for the new storage :)
Finally a coherent video, thank you very much for this wonderful video, HD is indeed very useful, especially for home users who store masses of files that are lost over time or even forgotten.
A raid mirror (Raid 1) does not double the speed. It doubles the data as a backup. If anything it's slower since it needs to write the same data to 2 drives simultaneously. A striped raid (raid 0) would increase the speed and data bandwidth but if either drive fails you lose all the data. If you need both performance and data reliability, you may want to go either raid 5 or 10.
Reason 2 is just wrong. All HDDs have a so called workload rating that tells how much data can be written or read on/of the drive. A WD Red pro 20TB is only rated for 300TB per year over 5 years. That's worse than most TBW ratings.
You sold the idea to choose HHD over SSD for Long Term Storage. Now, the question is why you don't mentioned about 2.5" HDD? WHY? Is it because 3.5" HDD has bigger storage size & cheaper than 2.5" HDD? Or because 3.5" HDD is more Shake-Resistance over 2.5" HDD ? Or any other reason/s ?
Tx for what you do and bring to us. The $1k question. Hard drives for their longevity and durability. I only get SIW Pros anyhow. But tempted to experiment with the newer 26TB REDs from WD. Thoughts on making a video on that yet?
I only use a NAS for storage (archiving). I'm not doing any editing from it or running virtual machines. Just storage use. Therefore I use mechanical drives. More storage for the money. Sure, you get more speed and IOPS from an SSD or NVME. IOPS is kind of pointless when you only transfer files. Unless you got hundreds of people wanting files at the same time. But then you are also limited by the network speed, so IOPS don't really matter that much for a NAS device if you only use it for storage. A couple of modern HDDs in RAID can saturate a 10 Gbit network. Most people don't even run 10 Gbit (1.25 GByte/s) networks. Maybe 2.5 Gbit (312 MByte/s) at most. Their NAS device might only have 1 Gbit connection.
That's why i will buy intel x3d point drive (idk what they calls it but that project was ended in 2019) btw and if you left ssd unpowered for a certain amount of time data will be gone
I have been thinking about getting a single Hard Drive just for doing incremental nightly backups. If all my files are also on my m.2 SSDs, does using a single drive make sense? Or should I get two and mirror them for backup redundancy... or is the single hard backup enough redundancy?
No way am I going to give up my M.2 drives. If you want long term storage go M-disk, spinners are old school model A tech then you need SAS drives not SATA drives and I am just a old bum and know the difference.
@@theTechNotice no worries,we trust our team,we are very happy how better we are...head down step by step we are going to get there...Mclaren until the sun shuts off... i am very pissed for daniel ,he did a very bad thing for himself,and clearly someone must stop redbull owning two teams,its unfair...just me...sorry for my bad English...more Greek prevails....Thanks for the videos...
Best intro on this entire channel. F***ing hilarious. But I do need to correct you on one point: HDD's do have a rated workload limit, check the spec sheet.
For both the Ironwolf Pro 24TB and Exos X24 24TB it's 550TB/year. Considering they come with a 5 year warranty, the expected lifetime is 2750TB. And this covers both read and write operations on HDD's unlike SSD's where only write operations are counted. If you really hammer these HDD's with 24TB a day like you mention in your video, from a reliability point they will be considered end of life after just 4 months. Many do last way beyond that as it's not the storage medium that degrades like with SSD's. But the mechanical moving parts like the actuator arm and heads do have a limited life span.
Back With The Intros 😂🔥 HDD for longterm backups💯
I always use HDD for backup and longtime storage !
Until you realise that SSD will outlive hdds. I could fling an SSD and hdd across the room and the SSD will more likely survive.
@@Riyozsu yes of course, but I don"t throw my hdd. For travel etc I use SSD. But i've always keep copy on HDD in a room without mad thrower ! :D
Only advantage of a HDD is space. If you're using a drive for storage, and not writing from it, but using it a lot for reads, then the NVMe will last for decades, whereas the HDD won't last even half that long. Even if the NVMe's write gets filled, you can still read from it. I have had no NVMe's go bad, but some SATA SSD'S have gone bad, especially from certain manufacturers, and many more HDD's have gone bad.
I use disk drives for my NAS and NVR. NVME drives are used in my PCs for gaming and speed. Imagine the slow boot speed with a disk drive!
This is perfect, these are the exact 2 drives I have been looking at for archive drives!
Using a quartet of 2.5" Seagate 5TB HDDs in a RAID as a Time Machine backup archive for my home network. Gives me about 14TB of Mac back ups overall which is perfect for my needs. The NAS on my Win10/11 systems is a bit bigger.
Well, i had 4x 20tb X20 exos on my ds923+, its running without raid, but i have 2 nvme 250GB samsung ssds, for cache in raid 0 , i think its enough, i did think about doing raid 0 OR 1 for HDDs but even with my 10G isp speed you will not see any changes on your mobile phones photos app, or plex. 20tb was the price to performance best hdd 1 year ago, but now we have 24tb versions, iam waiting black friday to buy 24tb drives, already sold 2 of 4 hdds and 1 hdd on Unifi pro max, 1 left for my photos app and couple movies, plex waiting for the new storage :)
Finally a coherent video, thank you very much for this wonderful video, HD is indeed very useful, especially for home users who store masses of files that are lost over time or even forgotten.
A raid mirror (Raid 1) does not double the speed. It doubles the data as a backup. If anything it's slower since it needs to write the same data to 2 drives simultaneously. A striped raid (raid 0) would increase the speed and data bandwidth but if either drive fails you lose all the data. If you need both performance and data reliability, you may want to go either raid 5 or 10.
If you dont like fast performance then a hdd is the best thing you can buy for your pc.
Reason 2 is just wrong. All HDDs have a so called workload rating that tells how much data can be written or read on/of the drive.
A WD Red pro 20TB is only rated for 300TB per year over 5 years. That's worse than most TBW ratings.
Well not so long ago I bought 2x4TB HP 7.2k rpm SAS Premium drives for £40 each on eBay for My slowly building edit rig so I am very happy!
You’re missing a ‘u’ in the word ‘by’ in your video title. 🧐
You sold the idea to choose HHD over SSD for Long Term Storage.
Now, the question is why you don't mentioned about 2.5" HDD?
WHY? Is it because 3.5" HDD has bigger storage size & cheaper than 2.5" HDD?
Or because 3.5" HDD is more Shake-Resistance over 2.5" HDD ? Or any other reason/s ?
Tx for what you do and bring to us. The $1k question.
Hard drives for their longevity and durability.
I only get SIW Pros anyhow.
But tempted to experiment with the newer 26TB REDs from WD.
Thoughts on making a video on that yet?
I was using a HDD but my games started requiring a SSD. All I do is internet, Steam, and rarely watch movies.
I only use a NAS for storage (archiving). I'm not doing any editing from it or running virtual machines. Just storage use.
Therefore I use mechanical drives. More storage for the money. Sure, you get more speed and IOPS from an SSD or NVME.
IOPS is kind of pointless when you only transfer files. Unless you got hundreds of people wanting files at the same time.
But then you are also limited by the network speed, so IOPS don't really matter that much for a NAS device if you only use it for storage.
A couple of modern HDDs in RAID can saturate a 10 Gbit network.
Most people don't even run 10 Gbit (1.25 GByte/s) networks. Maybe 2.5 Gbit (312 MByte/s) at most. Their NAS device might only have 1 Gbit connection.
Still waiting for the zen 5 productivity benchmarks.
I'm really happy with 4x p4600s
Would one of these drives work as a time machine backup for my Mac?
That's why i will buy intel x3d point drive (idk what they calls it but that project was ended in 2019) btw and if you left ssd unpowered for a certain amount of time data will be gone
I am on HDD army for DATA storage. Use NVME for windows and games.
I have been thinking about getting a single Hard Drive just for doing incremental nightly backups. If all my files are also on my m.2 SSDs, does using a single drive make sense? Or should I get two and mirror them for backup redundancy... or is the single hard backup enough redundancy?
have ya try any gaming handheld gpu for editing
No way am I going to give up my M.2 drives. If you want long term storage go M-disk, spinners are old school model A tech then you need SAS drives not SATA drives and I am just a old bum and know the difference.
Or buy Optane
Were the nvmes you hammered already dead?
Top 5
HDD for Nas :)
No thanks. The failure rate is through the roof on them.
And 80 iops vs. 1,600,000! Case closed.
Who is convinced 😂😂😂
From someone that struggles to get research funding. Please, do not destroy valuable hardware just to get attention!!
Little secret, these were 2 nvmes that died years ago that I've saved for this particular occasion 😇
haha nice intro
If you consider to backup data that matters a lot,an HDD drive is much safer,and more lasting....also great win today hey.....mclaren...
Oh yeah, would've been better if Oscar could've made it to p2 so bigger gap for lando vs max...
@@theTechNotice no worries,we trust our team,we are very happy how better we are...head down step by step we are going to get there...Mclaren until the sun shuts off...
i am very pissed for daniel ,he did a very bad thing for himself,and clearly someone must stop redbull owning two teams,its unfair...just me...sorry for my bad English...more Greek prevails....Thanks for the videos...
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