Yeah, the band definitely suffered from his absence after Songs of Faith & Devotion. Picked back up with Playing the Angel, but then dropped out again.
Attached to a dialysis machine now.. music is my last soloce. Thanks all memberz of DM throughout the years! JC another outstanding release :.) My ear buds and roman nose salute you.. hee) Now i have something to do.. listen to this coldplay..bye guys.. have a pint at the pub on me)
@@Nenko_Music There is a non alcoholic wine called Dead Red created by Grateful Dead fans and/or band mates! Cherry Garcia ice cream comes without booze as well and the list of NA brew grows. Have a spectacular Olympics in Paris!
Saludos amigo desde ciudad de México disfrutando contigo a DM desde los años ochentas Con gran añoranza a esos sonidos experimentales que causaron una revolución musico-intelectual-política-industrial que difícilmente se podría repetir Sigue disfrutando de estos grandiosos sonidos todo lo que puedas!!!
Definitely, it's Alan. His voice and style of writing music somehow differentiate from Martin's. I read the wiki from the link below. I think Alan would have even forgotten them or just has denied his authorship for an obvious reason. He just cuts himself off DM. If you stop thinking of something, you make your mind up it did not happen and believe in it.
SIGH......what a gift. Thank you for uploading. There's no denying my love of Dave and his massive stage presence but I have a deep love for Alan and always have.
It IS a gift. To get to hear the fleshing out of a song, and hear it's origins before it hits the studio. To state the obvious, before the Internet, you had to be DAMN lucky to get your hot little hands on something like this. One of the many reasons I still use TH-cam are gems like this, especially from "commercial" bands like DM...it helps a music lover appreciate their favorite singers/groups that much more when you listen (not hear) to the work that went into making the classics we love still to this day.
Wow, this is awesome. After decades of failed attempts and having given up on ever seeing them, my son managed to get tickets and he took me to Manchester to see the mighty Depeche Mode in February (‘24). I prayed that Alan would be there. Such a shame he wasn’t but still an absolutely awesome set. 🫶 #LoveDepecheMode
Greets from Germanistan! I still like Depeche Mode, but without Alan this Combo is not so important anymore. Really, i love the Stones and Duran² much more.
Great remastering job - I'd heard these before but the quality here is much better. I really wish we could also hear Alan's demos for CTA and the B-sides that he wrote, especially 'In Your Memory' (my favourite of his songs).
I don't know if Alan was in The Hitmen at the time, but their single Bates Motel is such a New Wave classic. He has always been so talented. Nice to hear these demos.
You cleaned the hell out of them! They sound great. Had these since Napster, but back then had no idea whose songs "Violence" and "I Feel No Guilt" were. Never heard "Cliche" before. "Cliche" is definitely for another band to record, but sure wish DM did "I Feel No Guilt". Always really liked that one.
У DM в 83-84 году альбомы наполненные звуковыми экспериментами, полагаю, Алан внёс основной вклад. Сольно было много интересного у него. Вернись бы он сейчас в группу - было бы неплохо
@@EtsiJuuret Да, потому что главный конёк Уайлдера - это мастерский подбор сочетания звуков. В наше время DM вообще не обращается внимание на звучание, следовательно, Уайлдер уже не нужен.
@@Viktor123Viktorне то, чтобы не обращается, просто на каждом новом альбоме они заново ищут свой звук, и каждый раз попадают впросак. Успешными (и реально качественными) стали лишь Ультра и Мементо, и то потому только, что делались в соавторстве с другими людьми. С целыми коллективами. А в золотые годы это делал 1 Алан + студийный продюсер. Вентилятор, правда, тоже делали коллективно, Кеворкяна и прочих задействовали. И сотворили шедевр. У них был симбиоз, синергия. А порознь - ни он коммерческого успеха и признания не получил, ни они не родили ничего лучшего, чем с ним. Один раз, 12 лет назад, он показал, "как надо делать Депешмод", что явилось, своего рода, лебединой песней и последним "прощай" некогда великой группе. Сидя на дм-кипедии, скачивая и слушая песни, откуда Алан брал сэмплы для своего и группового творчества, я проникался его вдохновением. С его уходом, группой утрачена "культура сэмплирования". Почему-то для него важно было не просто сыграть и поставить тот или иной звучок в определённое место мультитрека. Он вырезал сэмпл, обрабатывал его (ускорял, замедлял, выворачивал наизнанку, питчевал и т.д.), и затем вплетал в ткань музыки, как некий свой знак, метку, если хотите. Возможно, это такая дань уважения его любимым артистам и музыкантам, либо, если совсем всё опошлить, он просто галимый плагиаторщик, постоянно воровавший идеи у других! 😆😆😆 Многие кайфовые звучки и фишки - это тупо сэмплы других авторов, аккуратно вырезанные и видоизмёненные. Ещё он не любил, чтобы оставалось пустое место в аранжировке, не было нудения одной ноты, как они стали делать на последних альбомах. Если один проигрыш заканчивался, сразу начинался другой и т.д. Плюс, он всегда подмешивал струнные, в том числе, и в те вещи, где их изначально не было, на последних турах. Что расширяло звучание, и давало новое дыхание песням. Что делали они? Просто тупо играли всё на каких-то левых инструментах, с этими дебильными солягами Гордены и Айгнера. Постоянная гитара, где надо и не надо. Скрежет и перденье. Не звук, а блевота какая-то. В общем, остаётся слушать классику, и ждать релиза раритетов.
THIS IS EXCELLENT, SO RARE TOO, ARE THERE ANY MORE WILDER DEMO TAPES OF HIS DEPECHE STUFF ME WONDERS. I'VE ALWAYS LOVED THE SOME GREAT REWARD ALBUM, LOVE ALL DEPECHE STUFF BUT REWARD WAS A GREAT TIME FOR THEM THEN.
Where are we going to get another Alan Wilder? I still think that his best works were in that '101' by Depeche Mode from 1988, before the very special Violator from 1990, which left us very, very remembered gems. I got hooked on Techno (the real one) with Kraftwerk, Yazoo, Mecano's first albums in Spain, but Depeche Mode discovered another way of understanding Techno, with dark but very special nuances.
Alan should’ve asked Dave to write lyrics for the songs he wrote. We now know Dave had the ability. Dave may then have fought a little harder to Alan in the band
Beside “If you want” music with no hook at all that I forgot in 1 minute after listening, now go and listen some covers of DM songs composed by Martin and think a bit whats the difference (I said covers to exclude the studio Alan Wilder factor)
last track sound a bit ( a lot?) like "more than a party". I guess he was expecting to bring more songs in the band ( and some of them are seriously top quality - remember " In your memory" being absolutely brillant as "people are people" B side). I guess he gave up after this. and he ended up being just the arranger with little songwriting credit. These demos are already quite arranged. I have to say though i m not a super- fan of the "industrial" period of DM.
Alan is great musician and genius in a studio, but I'm glad that songwriting for a pop band is not in his talents. Martin songs are somewhere both in between Vince and Alan vision)
Its written "World in my eyes" on the tape... And on the paper we can see titles like "Personal Jesus" and again "World in my eyes". But your tape is supposed to be from 1984.... Strange... Does it mean that these songs was already done in 1984 ? Is 'Quants2' Alan himself ? 🤔
No it wasn't, these tracks are from a compilation tape so it has tracks from multiple sources, there are unreleased World In My Eyes mixes on it as well as some studio outtakes and Martin Gore demos, the rest of the content is also on dmlive wiki if you want to hear it (I don't own it)
@@Quants02 funny, I have a Bootleg-CD with Mart-Demos, those same ones. Whoever is right, its a historical docoment. By the way, the voice sounds like Mart. I Know some other Demo-Tapes.... it´s the same voice.
No Mart, bro! Just listen to some interviews with Al of that period, listen to his backing vocals, & you'll find - its pure & utter A. C. Wilder in the flash!
@@Quants02 most musicians, especially those as highly successful as Depeche Mode could easily present their demos on reel to reel which in 1984 would've easily been what they did. How else would they have recorded all the multi tracks?? On a Triad??
Alan had a cassette multitrack recorder called a portastudio, he used it to record demos and also to record his first album 1+2, DM (and most other bands at the time) only used reel to reel tape in the studio because that's how you got the best sound quality for albums, you didn't _need_ good sound quality for demo tapes hence why the members were recording their demos on cassettes into the early 90s
@@mattbelinski7760 Many musicians were using home studios with cassette during this era. I watched a documentary where The Edge was showing his home recordings (on cassette) for the Joshua Tree album, all recorded and overdubbed at his house. The medium was much more flexible for home portastudios as you could play the tapes on a larger variety players (home hifi, car stereo etc) rather than needing a reel to reel.
not every song on a demo tape has to be _on_ the finished album, Alan wrote all these songs for sgr but only one of them made it to the finished album (namely if you want, which is kind of a shame because i think i feel no guilt should've made it instead)
![ALAN WILDER as RECOIL- 'Hydrology' album: [remastered by SD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RyUhNSE7kE4/mqdefault.jpg)
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Audio from/more info here: dmlive.wiki/wiki/Alan_Wilder%27s_1984_%22Some_Great_Reward%22_demo_tape
Very interesting archives... Thanx ! 🥳
I miss Alan Wilder so much ; he was the sound of Depeche Mode, a great musician !
👍
Sound and soul
Yeah, the band definitely suffered from his absence after Songs of Faith & Devotion. Picked back up with Playing the Angel, but then dropped out again.
There's a vacant place in DM's lineup right now, who knows...
@@jimbotron70they don't want him back. They are aliens for each other almost 30 years. More than he had been in the band almost x3 times.
Attached to a dialysis machine now.. music is my last soloce. Thanks all memberz of DM throughout the years! JC another outstanding release :.) My ear buds and roman nose salute you.. hee) Now i have something to do.. listen to this coldplay..bye guys.. have a pint at the pub on me)
well i cannot drink anymore but cheers anywy...from France
@@Nenko_Music There is a non alcoholic wine called Dead Red created by Grateful Dead fans and/or band mates! Cherry Garcia ice cream comes without booze as well and the list of NA brew grows. Have a spectacular Olympics in Paris!
🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻❤
Saludos amigo desde ciudad de México disfrutando contigo a DM desde los años ochentas
Con gran añoranza a esos sonidos experimentales que causaron una revolución musico-intelectual-política-industrial que difícilmente se podría repetir
Sigue disfrutando de estos grandiosos sonidos todo lo que puedas!!!
Hello from brazil 🇧🇷🙏🏡. We are together !
Definitely, it's Alan. His voice and style of writing music somehow differentiate from Martin's. I read the wiki from the link below. I think Alan would have even forgotten them or just has denied his authorship for an obvious reason. He just cuts himself off DM. If you stop thinking of something, you make your mind up it did not happen and believe in it.
SIGH......what a gift. Thank you for uploading. There's no denying my love of Dave and his massive stage presence but I have a deep love for Alan and always have.
This is awful
It IS a gift. To get to hear the fleshing out of a song, and hear it's origins before it hits the studio. To state the obvious, before the Internet, you had to be DAMN lucky to get your hot little hands on something like this. One of the many reasons I still use TH-cam are gems like this, especially from "commercial" bands like DM...it helps a music lover appreciate their favorite singers/groups that much more when you listen (not hear) to the work that went into making the classics we love still to this day.
@@uv77mc85 Lets hear yours... we are waiting.
Alan has nice vocals, softer edges and more sensitive than Dave
His singing voice is similar to Martin's, but has no vibrato (goat voice).
4:44 "If you want..." before Depeche Mode put it on their Some Great Reward album. Sounds so hypnotizing...
Wow, this is awesome.
After decades of failed attempts and having given up on ever seeing them, my son managed to get tickets and he took me to Manchester to see the mighty Depeche Mode in February (‘24).
I prayed that Alan would be there.
Such a shame he wasn’t but still an absolutely awesome set. 🫶
#LoveDepecheMode
Alan Wilder...🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
❤
Alan where are you!? I miss you., love you 💜❤💥👍👍👍
Ahhhh man, mix tapes. Drawing cool graphics on tapes for yer mates. What a marvel the analog era was. I still blend it with the best of digital.
Greets from Germanistan!
I still like Depeche Mode, but without Alan this Combo is not so important anymore.
Really, i love the Stones and Duran² much more.
First time hear it and fall for it at the very first second.❤🎉
Happy to discover that Alan wrote "If You Want To". So much fun going on re sounds. And the general mood and melody. One of my absolute favs.
Great remastering job - I'd heard these before but the quality here is much better. I really wish we could also hear Alan's demos for CTA and the B-sides that he wrote, especially 'In Your Memory' (my favourite of his songs).
I don't know if Alan was in The Hitmen at the time, but their single Bates Motel is such a New Wave classic. He has always been so talented. Nice to hear these demos.
at the time this tape was made he had been with dm for about 2 years already
Come back Alan! All is forgiven!!
I have been hoping this would happen for years now!!
Unfortunately I have all but given up on Alan ever coming back!!
Depeche Mode are not the same after Alan left...
You cleaned the hell out of them! They sound great. Had these since Napster, but back then had no idea whose songs "Violence" and "I Feel No Guilt" were. Never heard "Cliche" before. "Cliche" is definitely for another band to record, but sure wish DM did "I Feel No Guilt". Always really liked that one.
thanks, would've loved to hear dm's take on i feel no guilt too
He was insane for this
У DM в 83-84 году альбомы наполненные звуковыми экспериментами, полагаю, Алан внёс основной вклад. Сольно было много интересного у него.
Вернись бы он сейчас в группу - было бы неплохо
Не вернётся. Такие люди принимают обдуманные решения раз и навсегда.
@@ВасилийШадрунова захоти он, его бы и не взяли.
@@EtsiJuuret Да, потому что главный конёк Уайлдера - это мастерский подбор сочетания звуков. В наше время DM вообще не обращается внимание на звучание, следовательно, Уайлдер уже не нужен.
@@Viktor123Viktorего время ушло. . согласен с тобой.
@@Viktor123Viktorне то, чтобы не обращается, просто на каждом новом альбоме они заново ищут свой звук, и каждый раз попадают впросак.
Успешными (и реально качественными) стали лишь Ультра и Мементо, и то потому только, что делались в соавторстве с другими людьми. С целыми коллективами.
А в золотые годы это делал 1 Алан + студийный продюсер. Вентилятор, правда, тоже делали коллективно, Кеворкяна и прочих задействовали.
И сотворили шедевр.
У них был симбиоз, синергия. А порознь - ни он коммерческого успеха и признания не получил, ни они не родили ничего лучшего, чем с ним.
Один раз, 12 лет назад, он показал, "как надо делать Депешмод", что явилось, своего рода, лебединой песней и последним "прощай" некогда великой группе.
Сидя на дм-кипедии, скачивая и слушая песни, откуда Алан брал сэмплы для своего и группового творчества, я проникался его вдохновением.
С его уходом, группой утрачена "культура сэмплирования". Почему-то для него важно было не просто сыграть и поставить тот или иной звучок в определённое место мультитрека. Он вырезал сэмпл, обрабатывал его (ускорял, замедлял, выворачивал наизнанку, питчевал и т.д.), и затем вплетал в ткань музыки, как некий свой знак, метку, если хотите. Возможно, это такая дань уважения его любимым артистам и музыкантам, либо, если совсем всё опошлить, он просто галимый плагиаторщик, постоянно воровавший идеи у других! 😆😆😆
Многие кайфовые звучки и фишки - это тупо сэмплы других авторов, аккуратно вырезанные и видоизмёненные.
Ещё он не любил, чтобы оставалось пустое место в аранжировке, не было нудения одной ноты, как они стали делать на последних альбомах.
Если один проигрыш заканчивался, сразу начинался другой и т.д.
Плюс, он всегда подмешивал струнные, в том числе, и в те вещи, где их изначально не было, на последних турах. Что расширяло звучание, и давало новое дыхание песням.
Что делали они? Просто тупо играли всё на каких-то левых инструментах, с этими дебильными солягами Гордены и Айгнера.
Постоянная гитара, где надо и не надо. Скрежет и перденье. Не звук, а блевота какая-то.
В общем, остаётся слушать классику, и ждать релиза раритетов.
HOLY SH!!!!! thanks for that wonderful upload, my favorite album of DM, i'm speechless to hear those demos :)
A MI FORMA ALAN ERA DEPECHE...EN HONOR Y SIN PERJUICIO.
Alan experiments with pop music before his own masterpieces like Hydrology.
terrific!!! still hangovered since the lille gig last week...this soothes my soul quite a bit! thank you very much!
ok real question, why is this video blowing up so much, it was at less than 1k views a week ago and that's scaring me
It was in my recommended, so the algorithm must have picked it up recently.
In my recommended as well! But I also listen to this kind of music anyway so YT’s algo-rhythm is working good :)
It showed up in my recommendations after I had a marathon listening to Cause & Effect and early Ministry.
check the analytics to see if this is being posted on websites
nope, apparently almost all from browse page and suggested videos
What a gifted man!
Sad that Alan left the band. They would sound much better than now. Now the band is finished as good music creators
But still good as a brand.
i thought memento mori was pretty good
@@Quants02 no
@@Quants02 in the general picture of their career as a band it’s very poor. It just misses Alan. He was the drive in DM.
just your disrespectful opinion@@otreba28
This cassette is so GOOD!
How cool is this ?!!!!!! Alan !!!!!!!
THIS IS EXCELLENT, SO RARE TOO, ARE THERE ANY MORE WILDER DEMO TAPES OF HIS DEPECHE STUFF ME WONDERS. I'VE ALWAYS LOVED THE SOME GREAT REWARD ALBUM, LOVE ALL DEPECHE STUFF BUT REWARD WAS A GREAT TIME FOR THEM THEN.
i'd love to hear his demo of in your memory from this era, shame it wasn't on the demo tape
@@Quants02and his 3,5 songs from CTA era! And 0,5 from middle of ABF>CTA era)))
Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed it very much. Keep up the good work.
Como esos cassettes ..buen material de mi banda inspiradora para respirar y llegar a buen final existencial. Za onda gracias por tu publicación.
when the snare tickles my ears :D
Grande Alan ✨
Fourth track is called Until You've Sown the Seed / Cliché not Chiche. Good job on finding these recordings though. Thanks
typo, fixed
Could you imagine having Alan and Vince back in the band for a mega reunion. 😁👍😎
Да это открытие 😮 Тот самый - винтажный звук Депешей❤ и сразу вспомнилась наша "Технология"😐
Love this.
WITHOUT ALAN DEPECHE MODE ITS OVER
No way,it's different but over? Memento mori is good...
Where are we going to get another Alan Wilder? I still think that his best works were in that '101' by Depeche Mode from 1988, before the very special Violator from 1990, which left us very, very remembered gems.
I got hooked on Techno (the real one) with Kraftwerk, Yazoo, Mecano's first albums in Spain, but Depeche Mode discovered another way of understanding Techno, with dark but very special nuances.
Never, he is 1 in a gazillion... no one can come close.
... Wagner - Vince Clarke - Alan Wilder ...
Wow. Que joyas!!!
Wonderful! Thanks a lot!
It's funny how "If You Want" sounds a bit like "Fools" here.
Я тоже на кассетах слушаю
Tape Phreaks! :) 🖤
nice remastering m8
A. W es perfecto... Lo amo❤❤❤
Alan should’ve asked Dave to write lyrics for the songs he wrote. We now know Dave had the ability. Dave may then have fought a little harder to Alan in the band
I want to hear mysterious PERVERSION demo tape of VIOLATOR with the track never used for album "MOTHER ME"
Ha una voce bellissima
Alan Wilder❤😊
Alan Wilder was the sound of Depeche Mode. Nowadays, their music would sound better if they released albums "a capella" instead.
i disagree entirely
Beside “If you want” music with no hook at all that I forgot in 1 minute after listening, now go and listen some covers of DM songs composed by Martin and think a bit whats the difference (I said covers to exclude the studio Alan Wilder factor)
You meant Demos not covers and I agree with you.
yeah I just wanted to say that the bare bone compositions of MG are so good that even in a cover form they sounds memorable@@damian2779
last track sound a bit ( a lot?) like "more than a party". I guess he was expecting to bring more songs in the band ( and some of them are seriously top quality - remember " In your memory" being absolutely brillant as "people are people" B side). I guess he gave up after this. and he ended up being just the arranger with little songwriting credit. These demos are already quite arranged. I have to say though i m not a super- fan of the "industrial" period of DM.
Only "if you want" features on "some great reward".
Thanx, cap! 😂😂😂
Amazing
The mid-80s in sonic form
The third song reminds me the german banda Cetu javu
Besides If you want it lacks melody that Martin is known of.
I feel no guilt should of turned into a released song
Alan is singing?
yes
Awesome stuff!
some of the stuff Reminds a bit of FAD GADGET
Thanks for posting
Even on Until You've Sown The Seed it's Alan? Sounds a lot like Martin's vocal inflection/style...
HE SOUNDS A LOT LIKE MARTIN METHINKS.
@@Analogsoup thé bass line yes and teb'db 'db 'db
The FX part on violence at the end reminds me
ARE PEOPLE PEOPLE ?
ALAN ..RECAPACITA D.M ..TE NESCESITA
Yes i miss It to ...
How many songs write AW for DM ???
all of them.... maybe not.. but there's a reason why DM songs sounds gold.. it's him
Is that Alan singing? If it is, I must say he's not a bad singer at all.
Alan is great musician and genius in a studio, but I'm glad that songwriting for a pop band is not in his talents.
Martin songs are somewhere both in between Vince and Alan vision)
1984? 😮!
Its written "World in my eyes" on the tape... And on the paper we can see titles like "Personal Jesus" and again "World in my eyes". But your tape is supposed to be from 1984.... Strange... Does it mean that these songs was already done in 1984 ? Is 'Quants2' Alan himself ? 🤔
No it wasn't, these tracks are from a compilation tape so it has tracks from multiple sources, there are unreleased World In My Eyes mixes on it as well as some studio outtakes and Martin Gore demos, the rest of the content is also on dmlive wiki if you want to hear it (I don't own it)
and no i'm not alan
@@Quants02 Anyways, thanx for sharing !
🙂 👍
Home recording?
Sorry, this is Mart!!!! I know these demos. Text from Alan, maybe, but Mart is the voice you can hear!
no this is Alan, they have similar sounding voices but it's not martin singing here
@@Quants02 funny, I have a Bootleg-CD with Mart-Demos, those same ones. Whoever is right, its a historical docoment. By the way, the voice sounds like Mart. I Know some other Demo-Tapes.... it´s the same voice.
their voices are similar but Alan's is a little deeper, he's singing on this tape but these are the only ones he sings on, all the others are Martin
No Mart, bro!
Just listen to some interviews with Al of that period, listen to his backing vocals, & you'll find - its pure & utter A. C. Wilder in the flash!
Its not Martin 😂
Highly doubt it was delivered on a cassette tape...even in those days
in 1984? cassette was pretty much all you had back then in terms of home recording
@@Quants02 most musicians, especially those as highly successful as Depeche Mode could easily present their demos on reel to reel which in 1984 would've easily been what they did. How else would they have recorded all the multi tracks?? On a Triad??
Alan had a cassette multitrack recorder called a portastudio, he used it to record demos and also to record his first album 1+2, DM (and most other bands at the time) only used reel to reel tape in the studio because that's how you got the best sound quality for albums, you didn't _need_ good sound quality for demo tapes hence why the members were recording their demos on cassettes into the early 90s
for home demos Alan and Martin were using simple 4-track cassette recorders. it was just for capturing ideas, no intension to make big productions
@@mattbelinski7760 Many musicians were using home studios with cassette during this era. I watched a documentary where The Edge was showing his home recordings (on cassette) for the Joshua Tree album, all recorded and overdubbed at his house. The medium was much more flexible for home portastudios as you could play the tapes on a larger variety players (home hifi, car stereo etc) rather than needing a reel to reel.
DM is dead 💀
This sounds more like Howard Jones than Alan Wilder. I love Alan Wilder, but he really is not a songwriter.
Famous fake. This is not Alan, not DM too.
Who is it by?
@@rajs4719 I’ve heard it was Red Flag.
@@SOFAD1974no, you're wrong. It's not DM, it's Alan. And faking Red faking Flag!
I realized the slightly hypnotic effect of “Violence” when I listened to it on headphones. Alan used binural tones. God of sound.😊
None of these songs are even in the some great reward album. They sound cool but how is it a demo for SGR.
Ok the last track sounds like “something to do”
not every song on a demo tape has to be _on_ the finished album, Alan wrote all these songs for sgr but only one of them made it to the finished album (namely if you want, which is kind of a shame because i think i feel no guilt should've made it instead)
@@Quants02IYW is great in music but poor in text.
Texts were never been the strongest side of Alan's talant.