I would request Mr T M Krishna to put out his list of students some of them who are outstanding who are non Brahmins whom he has brought upto the performing stage. He should practise what he preaches.
Don't you think Madras Academy has Brahmin clout? I have never seen Dr. K. J Yesudas been associated with Madras Music Academy. I am a lay man who enjoys Hindustani and Carnactic Music
@@thomasthomasphilp4393 Jesudas is a great singer of all times. There are many who are sidelined not only Jesudas Sir, other established musicians who belong even to Brahmin community, other castes and creeds. They are sidelined. That is the hypocrisy everyone is wanting to know.
Kaliveerbhadran got dance slot with the fight that he is from backward caste, but TM Krishna made sure he gets the chance on stage. Grow up. It's time to wear simple cotton saree and instead of silk saree atleast God listens .
Every group has a costume and signature tunes and lyrics. So why not leave the Classical Carnatic musicians to themselves. I am with the Trichur Brothers.
Very well put that "Music Academy has served us this opportunity on a platter, to voice our concerns about the view of the artist in question!" Absolutely - there are so many of us who have kept quiet for too long.
So articulate Trichur brothers excellent explanation and understanding of the issue and beautiful English words🎉 I also noticed that all the musician are intelligent in articulating their opinions and about the subject Carnatic genre !Iam so proud of indian musicians especially southern Carnatic musicians! 👍 Trichur brothers!
I would like to know what Akkarai sisters, especially Subhalakshmi has to say about the whole issue. She has been a constant accompanying artist for TMK and has been quite appreciated by him.
Chinmayi is always about her agenda me too. I do not trivialize metoo and was a supporter of Chinmayi when she was targeted. But why does she bring that as whataboutrry? That is not the only issue in the world
I appreciate the legends are vocal and showing their respect on the Carnatic music and values. When u r seeing who is coming forward to support to T m Krishna, we can make out the political involvement he has and trying to pollute the eternity
We complete agree with the two brothers , Rajini Gayathiri & other who oppose TM. Krishna. Such a respectable, reputed award to be given to Mum Moothigal which TMK dont deserve.
Think many of the musicians listed here are not protesting the award to TMK they appreciate his prowess...but they are boycotting his ideology of vilifying other musicians and the community of brahmins. They have a right to protest if they are personally attacked.
After listening TMK speak at 23min, I believe he is the best person to get the Pappu Haritage award in honor of the youngest scion of the illustrious Gandhi family.
Hats off to Ranjani Gayathri and Trichur brothers. A person who earns money bcos of Kritis of stalwarts, divine people and if he is siding with group's who vilify a particular community and gods of that community, it is pervertedness of highest order. If he had been from any other community, his life wud have been in danger. Wishes and prayers for TMK to recover his sanity and wisdom. We all are so ignorant that the caste system is prevalent only over the last 300 years. Before that we were one of the advanced civilized country. Caste system was brought to play by the Britishers to aid there divide and rule policy. Since fundamental history is lacking in us, we believe whatever a famous personality tells. Please read authentic books on our History by Sanyal, Vikram Sampath, Rajivji, Saideepak which are published over the last 15 years. Please read. Our civilization is the most open minded. There was grouping of people based on Class for smooth functioning of the society. It was not suppression.
TMK, Periyar, DMK, Music Academy committee and President on one side. True Musicians and exponents of art who do not unnecessay divide, insult or denigrate for little reason, create controversy or strive for publicity on the other side. No contest and no question on the weight of righteousness and Dharma, which is not what "The Hindu" (sic) says.
Music Academy is just an auditorium. To sustain the investment, it has to attract people. Just because they started first does not mean it is the most coveted. Awards are given merit by the awardee. Alfred Nobel invented explosives. The prize to whom the awards were given gave the Nobel Prize value.
Kudos to Ranjani and Gayatri for taking a courageous stand. It is not sufficient for artists like them, and others such as Vishakha Hari, Ravikiran, the Trichur brothers, and Dushyanth Sridhar, to boycott the Academy; like-minded Carnatic music Rasikas should avoid patronizing it. The Academy president, Narasimhan Murali, said, "According to me, they are disappointed that they have not been awarded; that is at the root of all this." These statements only indicate the arrogance of a rich, senile man. Ranjani and Gayatri have been quite vocal about their disagreement with T. M. Krishna's attitudes and behaviors for a long time. Their opinion was not formed recently after the award was announced. In fact, the two sisters have every qualification that makes them more suitable for the Sangita Kalanidhi Award than T. M. Krishna. Krishna most likely got this award (and others) because of The Hindu Group's nexus between T. M. Krishna, N. Ram, and N. Murali. In fact, how is the award decided? Does the Academy have any democratic process for it? What qualification does N. Murali have (besides being rich) to make him eligible to head the Academy?
Meerabhai got award from Music Academy?. All are waste and cheap. Arts are spoiling by artist. If she doesn't want to sing in Music Academy, sing somewhere in Kapalieswarar let's get mukthi
You are a bhrammin. Brought up in an atmosphere of divine music a true reflection of sanathana dharama n great rishis and sages of hundu dharma. Tyagaraja sangeetgam gave you life n career and fame. You learnt this nadavidya from great gurus Semmam gudi a pure bhrammin by word n deed who taught this sacred vidya without taking a pie to many people. Whle making a big n long travel through this path, you never felt anti bhrammin philosophy and accepting rewards awards big remuneration foreign travels only because you are an erudite in nadavidya an outcome of samaveda. It is definetly not artificial intelligence... that gave u an established career. You forgo all this n give up all n criticise the community to the brim. If you burn the boat after crossing the river TMK irrespective of his extraordinary talent is deceiving himself. To conclude as tyagaraja rightly said sangeeth jnanamu bhakti vina sanmargamu kaladey... If that bhakti sustains, then that sangeetha jnana will fill the life of musician with radiance. Othrrwise drown him into worst contraversies. Pitiable
Naive false equivalence with a motherhood statement to boot! Abrahamic & Marxist cults are inherently intolerant, predatory, and monotheistic based on a male prophet while Hinduism is a pluralistic, all-inclusive polytheistic faith that vastly predates all other religious faiths and ideologies based on unifying thoughts emanating from the cosmic consciousness of many sages that has matured over a period as ‘Sanatana Dharma’ (eternal truth/righteousness). Such Dharma has conferred divinity in animate and inanimate matters consistent with the simple aphorism enshrined in the Vedic scripture that "Truth/God is one, but the sages call it be different names". Such precept explains why the Hindus worship all beings and matter, be it males, females, transgenders, animals, fire, wind, water, earth, and cosmos (Sun, moon, planets, stars, etc.) as manifestations and attributes of the divine spirit. Historically, Hinduism has accommodated all faiths, never launched religious wars, crusades, inquisitions, Jihads, proselytization, fatwas, etc. and continues to survive despite a millennium of invasions, occupations, oppressions, subjugation, and violent conversion campaigns by the predatory Abrahamic forces that, as summarized by historian Will Durant, "have written chapters of horror in human history"! Thus, knowledgeable ones should resist the compulsion of political correctness to pronounce all faith as equally good or bad. Most items are relative. That is why we have adjectives (good, bad, worse, and worst).
Carnatic music is universal and belongs to every Indian especially South Indians. It should not become a personal property of a few families. This art form was originally developed by the Non Brahmins of South India. M S Subbulakshmi its is non Brahmin Tamil Shanmugha Vadivu from Madurai. Purandadasa and Kanaka dasa too were non Brahmins.Let's not allow a handful to brand it or patent it as their private intellectual property. Kudos to TM Krishna for popularising the music to all have nots or those who cannot access it. Congratulations TM Krishna for bringing all sections of Hindus for unifying through carnatic music. A great human being you are and God bless you. Jai Shri Ram. Jai Bharat mata.
Just watch TMK treat others who do not support his ideology...he just sees through everyone who do not agree with him....Shiv Aroor you should ask TMK the same questions.
this guy T M Krishnan or whatever is the Kanhaiah Lal of Carnatic Music ; A Tukde Tukde version of mutiny is what he is refering to thanks to Ford Foundation & other Chrislamist divisive forces
Iam/was a fan of TMK. AM still stuck awe by his musical abilities. This is a storm in a cup. No one wants to learn C Music. The common man on the road does not want. He wants . CM won't give you job, make money. But TMK went overboard is when he started pelting stones againts "mamas and mamies" (WOnder if he has personal issues?) That was unnecessary. World over classical music is with the elite who can find time and wealth. WOnder if TMK himself would have made it this far if not fo his family wealth and background etc.. That is how society works Western Classical Music is supported by a group of ELite, even thou they do not have caste system? It is not about caste. It about means Instead TMK could have called on other CM Musicians to support his venture in taking the CM to the common man.. I can confidently say that no common man would have wanted to seriously engage in CM as a career. If a certain community prevented other from career making fields like Engineering or medcine or university. That is a different case. In fact it was the Brahmins communiy that helped preserve it. Like the Vedas. LEt them be If you want social reform it is happening and Tambrams are fleeing TN because the genocide that is unleashed on Tambrams by the DMK When they are all gone There won't be Temples (Only churches) There won't be Carnatic Music There won't be the Vedas THere won't be Baratha Natyam and Hope TMK WILL BE HAPPY
Subbulakshmi and Thyagaraja were abused by anti Brahmin singer Krishna.Kudos to classical singers . Murali is brother of another leftist N Ram. It is mindset of N Ram ideology influencing the music academy. Krishna is curse to carnatic music.
Two things I see @ excellence in a filed id definitely required to hold . Second is we need a integrity on value system which is coupled with high excellence award. @ being rationalist and harming the sentiments will definitely bring dwn the stature. @ Value system matters more ..a decorum is expected. Eg . To become even a HC judge we need a moral ethical turpitudes behaviour.. in all levels failing cannot be considered .. So with regarding to T.M.krishna no doubt on his musical excellence but his rationalist approach has hurt the people who have so much ..value . It is like mocking another person values ...
Give the list of students of Ranjini and Gayatri and trichur brother and most of the so called artists who telling this.If Any non Brahmin or non Chettiyar student there we will salute its professional insecurity. Why Now?. They are fighting just because Music Academy announced the award. Why not before?. ( Modi and political agenda?. ). Dravida rastram TN. All have rights and Values. Music Academy start giving Kali veerabhran who is young dancer from backward caste. Be proud off it. Did MS subalakshmi taught any non Brahmins?. Ofcourse she is legend but did she got real mukthi giving this art to who born with talent other than caste. If you all were singing for God. All the Gods never told you to sing and the god not ows anything he gifted. So be greatful what you got share this art form for all.
Unfortunately gr2 gr 3 Carnatic artistes will be scared of going against MMA and hence will not come out against.don’t also forget the political angle and award will always be tainted. TMK will do well to decline it….
There are 1000s if not lakhs of Nadaswaram Vidwans even in the streets who have a ton of more knowledge and musical talent than TM Krishna. The madras music circle should honor those nadaswara vidwans instead of giving an award to a high caste brahmin guy like TM Krishna. Whether it is TMK, EVR, Gandhi or Madras music academy, they are the biggest mental matsurtabors and something is bound to come out at the end🙂
On what basis, have you used the phrase brahmin dominance ? Do you have data ? Please share it. Did you ever say who dominates folk music, film music or rock music ? Why not ? Is there any barrier in carnatic music which prevents non Brahmins from learning ? Please share it.
I blame TMK for this controversy .TMK s decmoceatic statements made this controvercy. As a person, who knew & knows thoroughly that 'the so called bhramnic ideology is always at loggerheads with democratic values' TMK had to abstain from those statements for a smooth enjoyment and practicing the privilages of bramanism ..
Why is the music academy sending such a threatening letter to just women? Are they sending replies to other men who have refused to sing. How dare they talk to women like that. Can you ask?
It is the President of Music Academy writing in his own way. Note the arrogance and superciliousness, including what is thrown at those who said no to performing at Music academy on hearing who the Academy is honouring this year. Look at the number of musicians, their calibre and reasons for refusing.
Let TMK perform and make a good living out of the profession. If he is using the platform to spread Dravidian agenda, i request rasikas to unequivocally show him doors. Already we tolerated one in the 70s from very same community in the name skill and competence now he is acting as a torch bearer for those who are openly supporting eradication of our dharma. Let's not tolerate that doesn't deserve to be tolerated. How many Brahmins are living below the poverty line and what did this man do for them.
The priests are living by faith. That is living in the faith that God will provide. This concept is also in the bible. It's not a very easy thing to do.
nadaswaram is one of the most integral instruments in carnatic music which has been historically played my muslims.. so where is the brahmin dominance? just using a caste position to gain popularity.. using the art to gain popularity and the trash its doyens.. shame on you TMK.. shame!!
மியூசிக் அகடமி, சனாதனத்தையும், பக்தியையும் கேவலப்படுத்தும் பாடகர்களுக்கு, இனி சங்கீத கலாநிதியை தவிர, சங்கீத தயாநிதி, சங்கீத உதயநிதி, சங்கீத இன்பநிதி போன்ற விருதுகளையும் அளிக்கலாமே.😅
T M Krishna claims that he wanted to bring carnatic music to the masses . , but not by denigrating the community which kept this divine music live for centuries !! I fully endorse the musicians who opted out of this season for awarding Sangita Kalanidhi to a hypocrite
T M Krishna is the tool kit of DMK. The haters of Brahmins joined hands again to vilify the community for no fault of theirs. Love for music is a personal choice. If one believes that the people other than brahmins do not join in large numbers to learn carnatic music, the fault does not lie with brahmins. If pop music is not popular in Tamil Nadu, will the Took Kit blame the British or Americans? Well done Trichur Brothers for hitting the nail on its head.
Tm krishna can perform wherever he wants. Its his choice. But honestly indian govt have been supporting some subgroups of hindus past 75 years. But brahmins does not enjoy such leisure . And has to work double hard to reach their goals. Now is TMK itched to see hard working brahmins grow?? Whats his real problem?
Why dont tmk go to vengaivsyal and find out the truth. Then go to draupathi amman temple and solve the problem there.Drinking water problem is more important than carnatic music for them
TM Krishna does not have a specific set of example of voices being muffled in democracy. All he has is a eloquent way of stating bullshit. He may be a great carnatic singer but his heart is not at the right place when he has to single out on certain section of community like Brahmin and then cry for the fact that other communities are discriminated, what his is doing is discrimination. These DMK stooges need to be taught some lessson in the next TN election.
The thing is u never can take side of people.....u only can take stand on opinions of people...... Im a die hard fan of The raga sisters , but they keep defending tat carnatic music was never confined within the Brahmin community...... while everyone knows in the past , it was not the case , Brahmins did restrict the carnatic knowledge within thier community for centuries , but with changing times the carnatic world has changed (or rather still changing)......... Tat being said , im definitely against "the ways" tat TMK is using to approach this....... I would say People like TMK should rather Handel this very carefully and not hurt sentiments of the whole Brahmin community......and the Brahmins on the other hand should accept the mistakes that happened in the past n should agree as a whole for a changeover in the system n work together for the betterment of people n carnatic music in itself!
The world won't crumble and shatter if the sangeeth , academy and awards were to go hibernation.. Utter verbicide to eulogise caste ridden musicology. Any vocal chord or instrument that lures human beings is music. Don't wash your dirty linen in the public.Every body wants to raise their clumsy hands when the flash radiation of cameras and electronic instruments revolve. It is a world of arts in which every body can act according to their whims and fancies. Besides this negligible inside goals and petty quarrels, there are everso many burning problems, remain unsolved. Don't exceed the plimsol line, ...to expose your lingual arrogance and fluency.😮
Why TMK has Brahmin Accompanists. Why not he make revolution.He should practice what he preaches. As Rightly said, will TMK pay equal amounts for Co artists. TTK family influence. TMK should refuse this award.
Nowadays for political reasons it has become a dirty habit to villify brahmins every where especially when they are minuscule minority who have no reservations in present times have to struggle hard to come to the top position in any field 😢
Will a musician who is a follower of Hitler, praises him and supports his ideology be given a Grammy Award even though he maybe the best musician. Ramasamy Naicker was a hate preacher who has even insulted the Tamil language. He was not just against the unwholesome practices in Hinduism but also hated it wholesale. He was a separatist and Nehru called him a madman who should be locked away in a lunatic asylum. The blessed Carnatic music is not just music but is based on Hindu values & culture. One of the iconic & leading exponents of it was Tyagaraja who was a Rama bhaktha. There were others like him. To extol a man who supports EVR, who threw slippers on Rama & other Hindu idols is to disrespect this genre of music. Though I empathise with Chinmoy personally I cannot go along with her stand taken on this matter unless those whom she accuses have been proven guilty. Her support for this guy is just quid pro quo & not based on objective assessment of principles. He supported her then & she owes him.
I live in the US & 100% I agree with Maestros in their fields like Ranjani Gayatri & Dushyanth Sir! The foundation of our Carnatic music is devotion. All the composers like Dikshitar or Thyagaraja were abounding with devotion for the god. I am myself a trained Carnatic musician (may not be famous). Technicality without devotion is useless completely. If you have unwavering devotion and the blessings of Maa Saraswati, technicality in music is handed over to you by the Goddess herself. Definitely TM Krishna DOES NOT deserve this award. It’s slap to the very core of our Hindu Gods & beliefs
@@srikanthsv79Hatred for Brahmins appears to be in the genes of this awardee musician. Yes, he is a genius and highly talented musician. But, genius and talent will not give any licence to hate Brahmins and Brahmin greats. Before hating Brahmins this guy must know that talent and greatness, godliness, and divinity of music is above every thing and IT IS ONLY INCIDENTAL THAT BRAHMINS NURTURED AND LOVED MUSIC FOR CENTURIES AND GENERATIONS. ALL OTHERS CAN IMBIBE THE MUSIC INTO THEIR BLOOD JUST AS BRAHMINS DID. DMK etc. are born to hate Brahmins and sanathana dharma. This hatred will not give any esteem to music. For politics and votes hating Brahmins has become a fashion.
@@satyanarayanaguda4848 well nothing wrong when BJP does the same against Muslims. People hate whoever tries to dominate or consider themselves high & mighty
Time the stuck up, rigid, arrogant Brahmin dominated incestuous cabal of the Carnatic music fraternity so far is broken and pure talent & merit irrespective of kow towing to this mind set and cabal is given rightful regard and recognition ❤. Full power to TM Krishna ji and hearty congratulations to the vidwan on his being conferred the prestigious Sangeetha Kalanidhi award 🎉. All respects to the selecters for doing a dispassionate and objective job without succumbing to the pressures of the existing cabal.
Ranjani Gayatri , Kiron and others who are not going to participate in academy programme. Sky is not going to fall by non-participating. This shows their sangi mindset. These musician can do concerts in foreign countries whereas Krishna should not do in urur kuppam and other places with non brahmin students.
PIG skin (not just cow skin) is also used in making musical instruments. Is TN Krishna pushing Muslims to support using PIG skin and teach his weird music?
TMKrishna calls himself as I am periayar's grand son" . In the last ten years he has not produced single stage mucisician from schedule and backward cast. All his students are brahmins and forigeners who give more tuition fees.
Arent we giving this too much attention than it deserves. Basically, the RaGa sisters are not some divine incarnate. They just are another simple attention seekers. Not commenting on other singers. Further, cmon, its just the music academy. And basing it on muical excellence, is alright. He is good teacher. Now, that doesnt mean, I support his opinions. I dont. But if this based on musical excellence.. i think its alright. Othewise, we are just giving this more attention than it deserves.. ...
How could it be based on music excellence when he has boycotted the whole December season since 2015 and has hardly done any concerts in and for the music academy or any other Sabha? There are many other singers who are equally adept at music like nithyasree and are loyal to music and the Sabhas who deserve this award even more. Music excellence is just a sheild music academy is using for its political agenda .
Why is everything has to be pro modi and anti modi. Music, architecture every damn thing is all about left and right. TM Krishna is scar on carnatic music. If he's against modi, doesn't mean he should be spirituality of carnatic music. Carnatic music is married to spirituality
Again like the White man's gaze, you have an example of a Bhramin man's gaze. Bhramins complaining about genocide is like A white man in America complaining about discrimination against them. One should understand that Brahmins have always been on the top and if you are stiff-hearted about ideas it won't work. Any group of people who have been responsible for generational discrimination should have a bigger heart in accommodating opposing views and should try to understand where such expressions are coming from.
More power to TM Krishna for standing out and calling out the castist behaviour of people. Castism is inherent where people who are on top of the cast structure are playing the victim card.
why don't criticize the Devar community,Nadar community,Vanniyar commmunity? you won't because they will do the worst in retaliation. Brahmin community is too tolerant and that makes them easy target on casteism to brainawash lot of really dumb driavidans that brahmins are the only casteists.
The definition of Sangeeta Kalanidhi as carnatic music's grammy is latent colonialism. As far the choice of Mr TMK, it is not surprising considering the credentials of the family heading MMA. The artists who have come out openly boycotting MMA is taking on the might MMA. I fully support the boycott for TMK nonsensical outbursts. The response from Mr N.Murali is on expected lines, The HIndu has become Mao of Mount Road
I would request Mr T M Krishna to put out his list of students some of them who are outstanding who are non Brahmins whom he has brought upto the performing stage. He should practise what he preaches.
Don't you think Madras Academy has Brahmin clout? I have never seen Dr. K. J Yesudas been associated with Madras Music Academy. I am a lay man who enjoys Hindustani and Carnactic Music
Isn't not Devdasis who preserved our traditional music and dance?
@@thomasthomasphilp4393 dance yes, music no
@@thomasthomasphilp4393 Jesudas is a great singer of all times. There are many who are sidelined not only Jesudas Sir, other established musicians who belong even to Brahmin community, other castes and creeds. They are sidelined. That is the hypocrisy everyone is wanting to know.
Kaliveerbhadran got dance slot with the fight that he is from backward caste, but TM Krishna made sure he gets the chance on stage. Grow up. It's time to wear simple cotton saree and instead of silk saree atleast God listens .
Every group has a costume and signature tunes and lyrics. So why not leave the Classical Carnatic musicians to themselves. I am with the Trichur Brothers.
Carnatic music is not a handful of Brahmin's personal property to patent it according to their whims and fancies. Music is universal.
Very well put that "Music Academy has served us this opportunity on a platter, to voice our concerns about the view of the artist in question!"
Absolutely - there are so many of us who have kept quiet for too long.
So articulate Trichur brothers excellent explanation and understanding of the issue and beautiful English words🎉 I also noticed that all the musician are intelligent in articulating their opinions and about the subject Carnatic genre !Iam so proud of indian musicians especially southern Carnatic musicians! 👍 Trichur brothers!
Trichur brothers great....many of us learn music...we have students like us from various backgrounds.....
Salute to Trissur brothers and Ranjhani & Gayatri for their principled stand against fame seekers and left leaners
It is a dispute between Academy and Carnatic Musicians. Leave it as it is. Don't bring politicians whether it is for or against.
Politicians already inside the committee
A few carnatic singers opposing the award given to TMK itself is dirty politics.
I would like to know what Akkarai sisters, especially Subhalakshmi has to say about the whole issue. She has been a constant accompanying artist for TMK and has been quite appreciated by him.
She will play it safe since she knows that the Rasikas would boycott her
Chinmayi is always about her agenda me too. I do not trivialize metoo and was a supporter of Chinmayi when she was targeted. But why does she bring that as whataboutrry? That is not the only issue in the world
She seems to bring it up into every topic to be in the limelight & thus is trivialising " MeToo"!
Kollywood icons have not supported Chinmayi ma'am claims. She should be questioning them.
Nice interview from Trichur brothers...Awesome
I appreciate the legends are vocal and showing their respect on the Carnatic music and values. When u r seeing who is coming forward to support to T m Krishna, we can make out the political involvement he has and trying to pollute the eternity
We complete agree with the two brothers , Rajini Gayathiri & other who oppose TM. Krishna. Such a respectable, reputed award to be given to Mum Moothigal which TMK dont deserve.
What renowned rajani gayathri ..we tamilians dont know about those ppl even a bit ..we know only about Great carnatic singer T.M.Krishna Sir
Think many of the musicians listed here are not protesting the award to TMK they appreciate his prowess...but they are boycotting his ideology of vilifying other musicians and the community of brahmins. They have a right to protest if they are personally attacked.
After listening TMK speak at 23min, I believe he is the best person to get the Pappu Haritage award in honor of the youngest scion of the illustrious Gandhi family.
Tbh he is right though, what do delusional idiots like you who worship fictional beings be called?
Sanghi fellow
@@lifecome8695 periyar cult
@@lifecome8695 Pseudo secular activist and a dravidian dogmatist 💩.
Hats off to Ranjani Gayathri and Trichur brothers. A person who earns money bcos of Kritis of stalwarts, divine people and if he is siding with group's who vilify a particular community and gods of that community, it is pervertedness of highest order.
If he had been from any other community, his life wud have been in danger.
Wishes and prayers for TMK to recover his sanity and wisdom.
We all are so ignorant that the caste system is prevalent only over the last 300 years. Before that we were one of the advanced civilized country.
Caste system was brought to play by the Britishers to aid there divide and rule policy.
Since fundamental history is lacking in us, we believe whatever a famous personality tells.
Please read authentic books on our History by Sanyal, Vikram Sampath, Rajivji, Saideepak which are published over the last 15 years.
Please read.
Our civilization is the most open minded. There was grouping of people based on Class for smooth functioning of the society. It was not suppression.
Well said 👌👏👏
TMK, Periyar, DMK, Music Academy committee and President on one side. True Musicians and exponents of art who do not unnecessay divide, insult or denigrate for little reason, create controversy or strive for publicity on the other side. No contest and no question on the weight of righteousness and Dharma, which is not what "The Hindu" (sic) says.
True musicians here - brahmin assholes
I can't believe that these Carnatic artists are so eloquent and clear.
Music Academy is just an auditorium. To sustain the investment, it has to attract people. Just because they started first does not mean it is the most coveted. Awards are given merit by the awardee. Alfred Nobel invented explosives. The prize to whom the awards were given gave the Nobel Prize value.
Kudos to Ranjani and Gayatri for taking a courageous stand. It is not sufficient for artists like them, and others such as Vishakha Hari, Ravikiran, the Trichur brothers, and Dushyanth Sridhar, to boycott the Academy; like-minded Carnatic music Rasikas should avoid patronizing it. The Academy president, Narasimhan Murali, said, "According to me, they are disappointed that they have not been awarded; that is at the root of all this." These statements only indicate the arrogance of a rich, senile man. Ranjani and Gayatri have been quite vocal about their disagreement with T. M. Krishna's attitudes and behaviors for a long time. Their opinion was not formed recently after the award was announced. In fact, the two sisters have every qualification that makes them more suitable for the Sangita Kalanidhi Award than T. M. Krishna. Krishna most likely got this award (and others) because of The Hindu Group's nexus between T. M. Krishna, N. Ram, and N. Murali. In fact, how is the award decided? Does the Academy have any democratic process for it? What qualification does N. Murali have (besides being rich) to make him eligible to head the Academy?
the Blood speaking the truth...
Meerabhai got award from Music Academy?. All are waste and cheap. Arts are spoiling by artist. If she doesn't want to sing in Music Academy, sing somewhere in Kapalieswarar let's get mukthi
Ask T M Krishna if he pays his accompanying violinists and mridangists as much as he demands. That will be equality....lets get that out next.
for that matter does MMA pay equally to all performers singers, violinists mridangists ghatam everyone. that would be equality and social reforms.
You are a bhrammin. Brought up in an atmosphere of divine music a true reflection of sanathana dharama n great rishis and sages of hundu dharma. Tyagaraja sangeetgam gave you life n career and fame. You learnt this nadavidya from great gurus Semmam gudi a pure bhrammin by word n deed who taught this sacred vidya without taking a pie to many people. Whle making a big n long travel through this path, you never felt anti bhrammin philosophy and accepting rewards awards big remuneration foreign travels only because you are an erudite in nadavidya an outcome of samaveda. It is definetly not artificial intelligence... that gave u an established career. You forgo all this n give up all n criticise the community to the brim. If you burn the boat after crossing the river TMK irrespective of his extraordinary talent is deceiving himself. To conclude as tyagaraja rightly said sangeeth jnanamu bhakti vina sanmargamu kaladey... If that bhakti sustains, then that sangeetha jnana will fill the life of musician with radiance. Othrrwise drown him into worst contraversies. Pitiable
Every community has some bad biased elements Some have more some less! Never paint any community with a broad brush and hurt them!
Naive false equivalence with a motherhood statement to boot! Abrahamic & Marxist cults are inherently intolerant, predatory, and monotheistic based on a male prophet while Hinduism is a pluralistic, all-inclusive polytheistic faith that vastly predates all other religious faiths and ideologies based on unifying thoughts emanating from the cosmic consciousness of many sages that has matured over a period as ‘Sanatana Dharma’ (eternal truth/righteousness). Such Dharma has conferred divinity in animate and inanimate matters consistent with the simple aphorism enshrined in the Vedic scripture that "Truth/God is one, but the sages call it be different names". Such precept explains why the Hindus worship all beings and matter, be it males, females, transgenders, animals, fire, wind, water, earth, and cosmos (Sun, moon, planets, stars, etc.) as manifestations and attributes of the divine spirit.
Historically, Hinduism has accommodated all faiths, never launched religious wars, crusades, inquisitions, Jihads, proselytization, fatwas, etc. and continues to survive despite a millennium of invasions, occupations, oppressions, subjugation, and violent conversion campaigns by the predatory Abrahamic forces that, as summarized by historian Will Durant, "have written chapters of horror in human history"! Thus, knowledgeable ones should resist the compulsion of political correctness to pronounce all faith as equally good or bad. Most items are relative. That is why we have adjectives (good, bad, worse, and worst).
Carnatic music is universal and belongs to every Indian especially South Indians. It should not become a personal property of a few families. This art form was originally developed by the Non Brahmins of South India. M S Subbulakshmi its is non Brahmin Tamil Shanmugha Vadivu from Madurai. Purandadasa and Kanaka dasa too were non Brahmins.Let's not allow a handful to brand it or patent it as their private intellectual property. Kudos to TM Krishna for popularising the music to all have nots or those who cannot access it. Congratulations TM Krishna for bringing all sections of Hindus for unifying through carnatic music. A great human being you are and God bless you. Jai Shri Ram. Jai Bharat mata.
I fully endorse the views expressed by the musicians who opted out of this years music festival.
Just watch TMK treat others who do not support his ideology...he just sees through everyone who do not agree with him....Shiv Aroor you should ask TMK the same questions.
Agreed it is Mr TMKs view of things. But isn't it hypocritical for Krishna to criticize everything without providing a solution.
Now Kanimozi has issued statement supporting TMK. It has become political issue.
Some BJP will support RAGA and other.
Hats off to Gayatri for her courage in speaking what she believes in.
its like a person doing job of a priest while abusing the rituals and traditions.. will it be accepted??
TM Krishna should be packed as a sweet gift from Bharat to Pakistan. We didn't reciprocate when Adanan Sami came over.
this guy T M Krishnan or whatever is the Kanhaiah Lal of Carnatic Music ; A Tukde Tukde version of mutiny is what he is refering to thanks to Ford Foundation & other Chrislamist divisive forces
Iam/was a fan of TMK. AM still stuck awe by his musical abilities. This is a storm in a cup. No one wants to learn C Music. The common man on the road does not want. He wants . CM won't give you job, make money.
But TMK went overboard is when he started pelting stones againts "mamas and mamies" (WOnder if he has personal issues?)
That was unnecessary.
World over classical music is with the elite who can find time and wealth.
WOnder if TMK himself would have made it this far if not fo his family wealth and background etc..
That is how society works
Western Classical Music is supported by a group of ELite, even thou they do not have caste system?
It is not about caste.
It about means
Instead TMK could have called on other CM Musicians to support his venture in taking the CM to the common man..
I can confidently say that no common man would have wanted to seriously engage in CM as a career.
If a certain community prevented other from career making fields like Engineering or medcine or university.
That is a different case.
In fact it was the Brahmins communiy that helped preserve it. Like the Vedas.
LEt them be
If you want social reform it is happening and Tambrams are fleeing TN because the genocide that is unleashed on Tambrams by the DMK
When they are all gone
There won't be Temples (Only churches)
There won't be Carnatic Music
There won't be the Vedas
THere won't be Baratha Natyam
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Hope TMK WILL BE HAPPY
Good questions.Answered well by RaGas and Trichur Bros
TM Krisha is a loyal to DMK and DMK is using power to give him award. DMK is anti Hindu so he is
Are you sanghi
T.M.Krishna can join DMK and can share stage with Anti- Sanatanis
@@lifecome8695 you seem to be a mangi
they just want everythng from rich indian culture.. but want to disrespect our Gods..
Subbulakshmi and Thyagaraja were abused by anti Brahmin singer Krishna.Kudos to classical singers . Murali is brother of another leftist N Ram. It is mindset of N Ram ideology influencing the music academy. Krishna is curse to carnatic music.
I agree completely, this man TM Krishna is not even equal to the dust of MS Subbulakshmi Amma!!
Are you sanghi
Two things I see
@ excellence in a filed id definitely required to hold .
Second is we need a integrity on value system which is coupled with high excellence award.
@ being rationalist and harming the sentiments will definitely bring dwn the stature.
@ Value system matters more ..a decorum is expected.
Eg . To become even a HC judge we need a moral ethical turpitudes behaviour.. in all levels failing cannot be considered ..
So with regarding to T.M.krishna no doubt on his musical excellence but his rationalist approach has hurt the people who have so much ..value . It is like mocking another person values ...
Give the list of students of Ranjini and Gayatri and trichur brother and most of the so called artists who telling this.If Any non Brahmin or non Chettiyar student there we will salute its professional insecurity.
Why Now?. They are fighting just because Music Academy announced the award. Why not before?. ( Modi and political agenda?. ). Dravida rastram TN. All have rights and Values. Music Academy start giving Kali veerabhran who is young dancer from backward caste. Be proud off it.
Did MS subalakshmi taught any non Brahmins?. Ofcourse she is legend but did she got real mukthi giving this art to who born with talent other than caste.
If you all were singing for God. All the Gods never told you to sing and the god not ows anything he gifted. So be greatful what you got share this art form for all.
What does Sanhay Subramanian say?
T.M.Krishna can join DMK and leave the field of music to pure people
Great singer and a nutcase. I was giving a concert with LGBTQ banner in the background which shows he does not understand Carnatic music philosophy.
He is a black dot in beautiful music .
TM krishna is also known by his other names Blade Pakiri, Touser Pandy.
Unfortunately gr2 gr 3 Carnatic artistes will be scared of going against MMA and hence will not come out against.don’t also forget the political angle and award will always be tainted. TMK will do well to decline it….
Most decent maestro’s are making a unified statement please do not politicise this but TM Krishna’s award should be taken back he doesn’t deserve
There are 1000s if not lakhs of Nadaswaram Vidwans even in the streets who have a ton of more knowledge and musical talent than TM Krishna. The madras music circle should honor those nadaswara vidwans instead of giving an award to a high caste brahmin guy like TM Krishna. Whether it is TMK, EVR, Gandhi or Madras music academy, they are the biggest mental matsurtabors and something is bound to come out at the end🙂
Why should RaGa be apologetic?!! They are right !!
Mu sick acadamy
On what basis, have you used the phrase brahmin dominance ? Do you have data ? Please share it.
Did you ever say who dominates folk music, film music or rock music ? Why not ?
Is there any barrier in carnatic music which prevents non Brahmins from learning ? Please share it.
sure white dominance in the fields you mention have been discussed.
Word salad! 25:02
I blame TMK for this controversy .TMK s decmoceatic statements made this controvercy. As a person, who knew & knows thoroughly that 'the so called bhramnic ideology is always at loggerheads with democratic values' TMK had to abstain from those statements for a smooth enjoyment and practicing the privilages of bramanism ..
Why is the music academy sending such a threatening letter to just women? Are they sending replies to other men who have refused to sing. How dare they talk to women like that. Can you ask?
It is the President of Music Academy writing in his own way. Note the arrogance and superciliousness, including what is thrown at those who said no to performing at Music academy on hearing who the Academy is honouring this year. Look at the number of musicians, their calibre and reasons for refusing.
Look who is on the right!
Now TM Krishna will claim that he is a victim. You can never straighten a dog's tail.
Let TMK perform and make a good living out of the profession. If he is using the platform to spread Dravidian agenda, i request rasikas to unequivocally show him doors. Already we tolerated one in the 70s from very same community in the name skill and competence now he is acting as a torch bearer for those who are openly supporting eradication of our dharma. Let's not tolerate that doesn't deserve to be tolerated. How many Brahmins are living below the poverty line and what did this man do for them.
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The priests are living by faith. That is living in the faith that God will provide. This concept is also in the bible. It's not a very easy thing to do.
nadaswaram is one of the most integral instruments in carnatic music which has been historically played my muslims.. so where is the brahmin dominance? just using a caste position to gain popularity.. using the art to gain popularity and the trash its doyens.. shame on you TMK.. shame!!
மியூசிக் அகடமி, சனாதனத்தையும், பக்தியையும் கேவலப்படுத்தும் பாடகர்களுக்கு, இனி சங்கீத கலாநிதியை தவிர, சங்கீத தயாநிதி, சங்கீத உதயநிதி, சங்கீத இன்பநிதி போன்ற விருதுகளையும் அளிக்கலாமே.😅
T M Krishna claims that he wanted to bring carnatic music to the masses . , but not by denigrating the community which kept this divine music live for centuries !! I fully endorse the musicians who opted out of this season for awarding Sangita Kalanidhi to a hypocrite
T M Krishna is the tool kit of DMK. The haters of Brahmins joined hands again to vilify the community for no fault of theirs. Love for music is a personal choice. If one believes that the people other than brahmins do not join in large numbers to learn carnatic music, the fault does not lie with brahmins. If pop music is not popular in Tamil Nadu, will the Took Kit blame the British or Americans? Well done Trichur Brothers for hitting the nail on its head.
Very true,it is apparent
Tm krishna can perform wherever he wants. Its his choice. But honestly indian govt have been supporting some subgroups of hindus past 75 years. But brahmins does not enjoy such leisure . And has to work double hard to reach their goals. Now is TMK itched to see hard working brahmins grow?? Whats his real problem?
Why dont tmk go to vengaivsyal and find out the truth. Then go to draupathi amman temple and solve the problem there.Drinking water problem is more important than carnatic music for them
Don't elivate this choir singer to the iconic singer. He is one of the representative of soros like Burka dutt.
We can ask what periyar contribution to society upliftment?
Pl just ignore that fellow dontcwant to name him
TM Krishna does not have a specific set of example of voices being muffled in democracy. All he has is a eloquent way of stating bullshit. He may be a great carnatic singer but his heart is not at the right place when he has to single out on certain section of community like Brahmin and then cry for the fact that other communities are discriminated, what his is doing is discrimination. These DMK stooges need to be taught some lessson in the next TN election.
The thing is u never can take side of people.....u only can take stand on opinions of people......
Im a die hard fan of The raga sisters , but they keep defending tat carnatic music was never confined within the Brahmin community...... while everyone knows in the past , it was not the case , Brahmins did restrict the carnatic knowledge within thier community for centuries , but with changing times the carnatic world has changed (or rather still changing).........
Tat being said , im definitely against "the ways" tat TMK is using to approach this.......
I would say People like TMK should rather Handel this very carefully and not hurt sentiments of the whole Brahmin community......and the Brahmins on the other hand should accept the mistakes that happened in the past n should agree as a whole for a changeover in the system n work together for the betterment of people n carnatic music in itself!
Shame on MA ..MA and The Hindu must be boycotted
The world won't crumble and shatter if the sangeeth , academy and awards were to go hibernation..
Utter verbicide to eulogise caste ridden musicology.
Any vocal chord or instrument that lures human beings is music.
Don't wash your dirty linen in the public.Every body wants to raise their clumsy hands when the flash radiation of cameras and electronic instruments revolve.
It is a world of arts in which every body can act according to their whims and fancies.
Besides this negligible inside goals and petty quarrels,
there are everso many burning problems, remain unsolved.
Don't exceed the plimsol line, ...to expose your lingual arrogance and fluency.😮
TMK is not "sangeeta kalanidhi"; the apt recognition would be " sangeet karunanidhi", he is so venomous and mischievous like politician karunanidhi.
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Super and corrupt intellectually just like kattumaram
10-15% of Gurus did mentally or physically abused students for generations. he speaks against that, n hence ppl hate him
Why TMK has Brahmin Accompanists. Why not he make revolution.He should practice what he preaches. As Rightly said, will TMK pay equal amounts for
Co artists. TTK family influence. TMK should refuse this award.
Even if there is no war 😂 India today will create a war 😅
Nowadays for political reasons it has become a dirty habit to villify brahmins every where especially when they are minuscule minority who have no reservations in present times have to struggle hard to come to the top position in any field 😢
Mam, all money invested in Seshmahal, & shared among AAP party members, pls don't try to fool people of Delhi. Everything visible
Will a musician who is a follower of Hitler, praises him and supports his ideology be given a Grammy Award even though he maybe the best musician. Ramasamy Naicker was a hate preacher who has even insulted the Tamil language. He was not just against the unwholesome practices in Hinduism but also hated it wholesale. He was a separatist and Nehru called him a madman who should be locked away in a lunatic asylum. The blessed Carnatic music is not just music but is based on Hindu values & culture. One of the iconic & leading exponents of it was Tyagaraja who was a Rama bhaktha. There were others like him. To extol a man who supports EVR, who threw slippers on Rama & other Hindu idols is to disrespect this genre of music.
Though I empathise with Chinmoy personally I cannot go along with her stand taken on this matter unless those whom she accuses have been proven guilty. Her support for this guy is just quid pro quo & not based on objective assessment of principles. He supported her then & she owes him.
He is not periyar, instead should be calle chutiyar
I live in the US & 100% I agree with Maestros in their fields like Ranjani Gayatri & Dushyanth Sir! The foundation of our Carnatic music is devotion. All the composers like Dikshitar or Thyagaraja were abounding with devotion for the god. I am myself a trained Carnatic musician (may not be famous). Technicality without devotion is useless completely. If you have unwavering devotion and the blessings of Maa Saraswati, technicality in music is handed over to you by the Goddess herself.
Definitely TM Krishna DOES NOT deserve this award. It’s slap to the very core of our Hindu Gods & beliefs
Nope it has nothing to do with fictional gods, when did a dance form associate with fictional beings?
@@srikanthsv79Hatred for Brahmins appears to be in the genes of this awardee musician. Yes, he is a genius and highly talented musician. But, genius and talent will not give any licence to hate Brahmins and Brahmin greats. Before hating Brahmins this guy must know that talent and greatness, godliness, and divinity of music is above every thing and IT IS ONLY INCIDENTAL THAT BRAHMINS NURTURED AND LOVED MUSIC FOR CENTURIES AND GENERATIONS. ALL OTHERS CAN IMBIBE THE MUSIC INTO THEIR BLOOD JUST AS BRAHMINS DID. DMK etc. are born to hate Brahmins and sanathana dharma. This hatred will not give any esteem to music. For politics and votes hating Brahmins has become a fashion.
@@satyanarayanaguda4848 well nothing wrong when BJP does the same against Muslims.
People hate whoever tries to dominate or consider themselves high & mighty
It is clear that the award to TMK was a good orchestrated one, to create confusion.
We shud be clear and avoid his concerts in any form totally.
Time the stuck up, rigid, arrogant Brahmin dominated incestuous cabal of the Carnatic music fraternity so far is broken and pure talent & merit irrespective of kow towing to this mind set and cabal is given rightful regard and recognition ❤. Full power to TM Krishna ji and hearty congratulations to the vidwan on his being conferred the prestigious Sangeetha Kalanidhi award 🎉. All respects to the selecters for doing a dispassionate and objective job without succumbing to the pressures of the existing cabal.
Ranjani Gayatri , Kiron and others who are not going to participate in academy programme. Sky is not going to fall by non-participating. This shows their sangi mindset. These musician can do concerts in foreign countries whereas Krishna should not do in urur kuppam and other places with non brahmin students.
It's created by dmk
PIG skin (not just cow skin) is also used in making musical instruments. Is TN Krishna pushing Muslims to support using PIG skin and teach his weird music?
TMKrishna calls himself as I am periayar's grand son" . In the last ten years he has not produced single stage mucisician from schedule and backward cast.
All his students are brahmins and forigeners who give more tuition fees.
N Murali should accept others opinions as well and not treat TM Krishna as the supreme court of Carnatic Music.
Arent we giving this too much attention than it deserves.
Basically, the RaGa sisters are not some divine incarnate. They just are another simple attention seekers.
Not commenting on other singers.
Further, cmon, its just the music academy. And basing it on muical excellence, is alright. He is good teacher.
Now, that doesnt mean, I support his opinions. I dont.
But if this based on musical excellence.. i think its alright.
Othewise, we are just giving this more attention than it deserves..
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How could it be based on music excellence when he has boycotted the whole December season since 2015 and has hardly done any concerts in and for the music academy or any other Sabha? There are many other singers who are equally adept at music like nithyasree and are loyal to music and the Sabhas who deserve this award even more. Music excellence is just a sheild music academy is using for its political agenda .
Anyway Music Academy is largely run by TTK group to which family TMK belongs...so N Murali is guarding his position. Wake up world!
What value system you people have?
Boycott TM Krishna period. Music Academy has their own agenda. Boycott Music Academy too
TM Krishan is a shameless person.
Not getting enough fame now your cerating some problem.what your people thing your r only want to dance dont want come others.
Why is everything has to be pro modi and anti modi. Music, architecture every damn thing is all about left and right. TM Krishna is scar on carnatic music. If he's against modi, doesn't mean he should be spirituality of carnatic music. Carnatic music is married to spirituality
TM Krishna க்கு பைத்தியம் பிடித்து பல காலமாச்சே! Someone must have done this to him. Bad karma must have reached his address correctly’😅
What is Tamil Isai and why was it transformed into Carnatic music by Brahmins.
Does changing the name make it Brahmin's?
Again like the White man's gaze, you have an example of a Bhramin man's gaze. Bhramins complaining about genocide is like A white man in America complaining about discrimination against them. One should understand that Brahmins have always been on the top and if you are stiff-hearted about ideas it won't work. Any group of people who have been responsible for generational discrimination should have a bigger heart in accommodating opposing views and should try to understand where such expressions are coming from.
More power to TM Krishna for standing out and calling out the castist behaviour of people. Castism is inherent where people who are on top of the cast structure are playing the victim card.
why don't criticize the Devar community,Nadar community,Vanniyar commmunity? you won't because they will do the worst in retaliation. Brahmin community is too tolerant and that makes them easy target on casteism to brainawash lot of really dumb driavidans that brahmins are the only casteists.
His Megasese award few years back made him to take a wrong path deviated from cultural hertage
Tm krishna to be banished
The definition of Sangeeta Kalanidhi as carnatic music's grammy is latent colonialism. As far the choice of Mr TMK, it is not surprising considering the credentials of the family heading MMA. The artists who have come out openly boycotting MMA is taking on the might MMA. I fully support the boycott for TMK nonsensical outbursts. The response from Mr N.Murali is on expected lines, The HIndu has become Mao of Mount Road