I’m not worried. Because if it doesn’t look good then I won’t waste my money on it. If Bethesda wants my money they have to earn it by making something worth it.
@@FurywavezI guess it depends on what your expectations were. I picked it up at launch and enjoyed it for about 60 hours. I got my money’s worth and was satisfied with that. It doesn’t have the same longevity or absolute level of enjoyment of their other games but if you take away the comparison it’s a competent game on its own
@@THEpicNDtaking away comparisons, and it's competent with its own? Seriously? It's not competent, how can it be if only when you take away comparisons? It might good, but not competent, that's straight fact.
@THEpicND It doesn't depend on anyone's expectations. Way too many people are complaining that Starfield was lame, boring and a significant decline in quality for a Bethesda game, and we've been seeing the same thing in the content released for fallout 76 recently as well. You coming in contradicting someone's given opinion doesn't invalidate anything. This video is about a widely held concern that Bethesda lost their touch and the quality and character of previous beloved titles we all want more of might very well be something we will never see again. So if you don't share that same concern like everyone else... why are you even here? Shill harder bro. Bethesda should stop paying shills and just hire more competent devs.
Bethesda went from a "I will always pre-order their stuff" to a "I'll get it if the reviews are good" to a "If fan reviews are good and I watch five hours of it being streamed and it looks good, then I will consider buying it" real fast.
I'm already at "I'll pirate it first to try it, maybe play it until 500 hours if there's a worthwhile mods to download and only then, maybe I'll consider buying it when it's on sale"
This is something you don’t see mentioned enough. Despite Starfields limitations, if it had a solid storyline and good voice acting, it would’ve been forgiven easily. But it didn’t excel at anything.
I initially gave this video a like but after hearing from him that he thinks the biggest issue were the loading screens, I pulled my like away. Starfield has many issues and goes far beyond just the loading screens. That’s why many said that starfield can’t be fixed, because it’s the core of the game that is rotten and you would have to completely overhaul the whole game.
I don't really mind the old janky engine. I don't mind the loading screens. And I don't mind the outdated gameplay mechanics. What I absolutely do mind, is the awful writing. Starfield story is boring, lore is boring, mission design in uninspired, dialogue is cringe and characters are instantly forgettable. The number one biggest attraction of TES as a franchise, is the writing. It is one, if not the, best franchise ever in terms of lore and story. Bethesda have for over a decade now show that the cannot write anything competently, and it is just getting worse and worse. Unless they make drastic changes, I see no way that TES 6 end up anything better than "a semi-fun sandbox experience if you turn your brain off", just like Starfield turned out to be.
@@rickinielsen1 Disagree, one of the attractions of TES is the lore, which already existed since Daggerfall and Morrowind and has been degraded over the years. The writing has been average since Oblivion and been degrading since then. The writing is the weakness of any Bethesda game, so I'm surprised you chose that as more important than anything else.
Yea, they also seem to have bled a serious number of their talented devs over the years. On top of switching their philosophy to "let's make the minimum recquired effort and take the shortest path to making money" It "worked" for a while because people where absolute fans and would buy the products with their eyes closed but now that all the good will is gone and Bethesda doesn't seem like they want to course correct it's probably no going to go that well for them.
Yeah Skyrim was a long time ago and it would be incredibly mediocre by today's standards and it was already kinda overrated in 2011 but it didn't have much competition so it became a cult game. It will be nearly 2 decades old by the time TES6 arrives. I don't think many people realize the extent of improvements needed for TES6 to be even remotely competitive. Witcher 4, Red Dead 3, Squadron 42, future Fromsoftware games and God knows what else could be out by that time. Games that will be compared to TES6 extensively. And Bethesda is not only not improving they've been steadily regressing
It wasn't even the fast travel for me. It was the overuse of the same assets in the game with procedural generation. I should not be coming across the exact same building, right down to loot and enemies, within 10-15 minutes of each other.
Ya the teens that played it originally are in their late 20's early 30's now. They fumbled the bag so hard by not making es6 within 6 years of skyrim. That game was a cultural phenomenon, and they could have released anything with the title of es6 and sold a 100 million copies and made a billion dollars.
Starfield is bare bones. Previous BGS games had: 1. Named NPC’s had daily routines & day night cycles. It made BGS games feel alive! 2. Every Named NPC in cities/ villages had their own homes/ bedrooms! 3. Slow mo ‘kill cams’, & combat/ stealth finisher animations (Skyrim/Fo3/4). 4. Decapitation (Skyrim)/ dismemberment (Fo3/4). 5. The Ability to swim underwater. 😅 6. Radio stations for different factions in FO3/4! 7. Puzzles for the Temples (dungeons) to get shouts/ powers (Skyrim)! 8. Elevator Loading screens were hidden in FO4 so they appeared seamless! 9. Skyrim has 5 major cities & 4 major towns. Starfield has 3 major cities (now 4 if you count the DLC). 10. Loading screens had 3D objects you can rotate as you wait. 11. Save files with thumbnail images! Makes it so much easier to find saves; 12. Settlements had optional settlers. 13. Evil/ neutral companions (Fallout 4) & many more romance options. 14. New titles / promotions as you move through faction ranks. 15. You can loot the clothing / armour enemies are actually wearing & not have a random drop chance. 16. Factions in Skyrim all had interesting NPC members to meet at the headquarters with scripted moments (like the Companions or Dark Brotherhood). 17. Guards comment on your skills and the specific weapons you are holding. 18. Guards also react to shooting weapons in a city even if it doesn’t hit/ hurt anyone. & they can be bribed.
Juice, you're approaching this as if Bethesda can't fail because they already have a working formula for ES games. The problem with that, is that they've been taking parts out of the formula over the years. Vital parts. Parts that players might not miss so much when they have a brand new ES game in front of them. But after a few hours of playing, they notice things missing. They notice they're not having as much fun as they did in the previous iteration. They lose interest in the game and move on. They might even go back to the previous ES or Fallout game they enjoyed and have a ton more fun. Bethesda is slowly eroding their own games for some reason. They either think gamers want simpler experiences or they think nobody will care that they didn't put as much effort into their latest tittle. We should all be worried about the next ES. I don't think we'll ever be playing another true Elder Scrolls game. I think they're a thing of the past.
"Bethesda is slowly eroding their own games for some reason..." Bethesda is INTENTIONALLY eroding their games so they fill in the gaps via purchases through the 'creation club'. Whether that means paid mods made by Bethesda themselves or by modders, THEY win either way. They've created a microtransaction vector that is less repugnant to gamers, so they're all-in on exploiting that to the fullest. (There's a reason Microsoft acquired them for $7.5 BILLION, and no, it's not because they were big Morrowind fans.)
There's no point in worrying about the inevitable. Its not even just Bethesda, nearly all the big studios are following the same plan to implode and destroy themselves.
-Excretion Club -Fallout 76 -Nylon Bag -Starfield -Broken next-gen update -So-so DLC The track record has not been good the past few years, to say the least.
@@anthonypuk5190 the DEI main characters killed it for me. Also they come over as dumb morons most characters in the show. Im a fan but not a fanboy to like that
i'm sorry but i'm calliing bs on the last statement in the video, if es6 isn't a game of the year contender after 15 years then it is a disaster.........15 fucking years!!!!!
To be fair about GOTY its extremely hard too get GOTY like Wukong i dont even remember seeing its a choice for it yet everyone and their mother was playing it
Worried? Nah. That would assume I'm emotionally invested in it. I've been completely indifferent about it for years at this point as expectations could not be lower
@@CollideFan1 nah man, most of the good stuff coming up is from indy studios, unfortuntaly they are not big enough to really do what they want but you can clearly see the creativity and talent in those titles.
@@CollideFan1yea they also make games that u touch ones and never again and forgotten. Avowed looks just very boring and mid. Im gonna play kingdomcome deliverance 2. Its unique and a very fun game tho more story focused on ur named character. Combat tho simple looks more fun then the garbage screen filling combat i saw from avowed
Starfields writing was horrific. That was the worst part. They could have worked around the engine with good writing. But they didnt. It was bland. It sucked.
Why write the great American novel, when players will just make paper planes out of it, and spend hours being shacks - Emil Pagliarilo, lead writer. Paraphrased.
I fear for the writing of elder scrolls. It's gotten so bad at the point you're. think you're better off letting the writers of Elder Scrolls online take it over. Sure, they're not the best, but it's better..
Bethesda has missed the boat on worrying about negativity for the next title. Apathy is what comes next, and an apathetic market will be a million times worse
BGS needs an actual project manager. And no, the content and quests that are currently there are not fine. Everything is railroaded and nonsensical. The multiverse mechanic also just needs to be stripped out because it nullifies the purpose of anything that happens. It would need a complete rewrite, which will never happen.
Google "fallout van buren design documents pdf" and decide if BGS need a project manager, or people that can actually produce a design that's deeper than a puddle.
If they can't be bothered to fix Fallout 4 after breaking it, then yes, I'm concerned about the next TES. I'm also concerned about them dropping random patches to break their other games too. Even waiting 10 years isn't enough to stay safe. I'm starting to wonder if they'll try to break Oblivion shortly before releasing a remaster. I love the games, but the company really sucks, and they are alienating me.
I don’t think that Skyrim 2 would be enough after 15 years of waiting. And I don’t think that Bethesda could release something better than Skyrim.(tbh I don’t think they’ll be able to release something on the level with Skyrim)
The cream of the crop in the games industry with the resources of Microsoft and possibly the most beloved IP of any fantasy video game ever? Should we expect something great? Nah, lets hold them to the standard of 5-year-olds playing soccer. 🤣
I'm sorry JuiceHead, but your hope is cope. Every bit of evidence shows Bethesda doesnt want to listen, won't listen, and can't listen in time enough. The people you're siting who 'know better' aren't even on the team working for the game anymore. Starfield wasn't supposed to be some sideproject, starfield was supposed to be the new starwars, you saying 'next time will be their A game' is ignoring that this was they're A game and then some.
its a new ip that is different enough from TES and fallout, and usually thr first of a franchise is overshadowed by its sequel. fallout 76 was a zenimax mandate (like eolfenstien new blood and such) fallout 4 despite people saying they hated it was still one of their most successful games. bethesda is fine, people just dont like change or accepting that a dev team should try new things, not being a falloutTES machine til the end of time.
Im fine with them not being a falloutTES machine but if its gonna be 20 years between fallouts or TES games they have got to do something. Let someone else make a spinoff or remaster at the very least. Obsidian proved with new vegas that they were qualified. Blue point's demon souls remake was phenominal. The problem is 'thesda just sitting on their big ips doing nothing while fans put their 6753rd hour into skyrim because thats all we have
1:54 Yeah I doubt the channel almost entirely focused on Bethesda that gets to go to Bethesda events would ever say they completely lost hope in Bethesda.
Honestly, if Bethesda allowed us to fly from planet to planet instead of fast travelling from planet to planet it would make the game feel a lot better. Why would I spend hours making a ship if all I can do is hit a couple buttons in a menu while in the pilot
At least with Banjo and Kazooie Nuts & bolts I could drive it around to different areas lul, I wish Microsoft would do actually do something with Banjo and Kazooie, Conker, Grabbed by the Ghoulies?.... heck ill even take remasters on PC at this point and be super happy, but they don't sound like they want to do much of anything with them or any of Rares old games. Only ways next to the actual cart is to get Rare Replay which are mostly older Xbox 360 ports which are "ok" still not on PC, NSO I guess now at least has the second Banjo game? but that is still just a rental, and dumping the carts to play on an emulator, which N64 emulation has always been hit and miss...
Flying from planet to planet would not improve things. You would need something engaging to happen between planet travel so it's not so repetitive. The engine as it is will never be able to do what other space travel games do they were in a lose lose situation and never noticed.
The worry has passed, the excuses have run out. I gave Fallout 4 the benefit of the doubt, they were experimenting. It was still pretty good. I gave Fallout 76 the benefit of the doubt, it was the B team, they'd never done online before. Starfield? What excuse is there to give?
Fallout New Vegas was also developed with a smaller team and within 1-2 years. I like Fallout 4, I only just now like Fallout 76, but Starfield? Nah this game shouldn't have taken a full development cycle.
@@heroicgangster9981 Not sure what New Vegas has to do with BGS. New Vegas was developed by actual talented people that were aiming to provide a deep RPG experience. That hasn't been the objective of BGS since Morrowind.
most people didn't like, not some. edit: being the bigger selling game doesn't mean it's good necessarily, how much it can hold players after launch and how many return after updates and DLC. Starfield is mediocre and sometimes downright ridiculous. (IM A HUGE BETHESDA FAN BTW, LITERALL THOUNSANDS OF HOURS PLAYING THEM)
I spoke with a fellow gaming buddy of mine about my concerns with ES6, and the conclusion was, "why are you worried about something that doesn't even exist yet? seems silly. Wait until they start showing off trailers, gameplay, and etc. and decide for yourself there." I'm willing to remain skeptical and and treat ES6 like I'd treat any release from a studio I'm not familiar with, simply because they burned a lot of good will with thestate of starfield, fallout 4, and the asinine way they've handled PR post-starfield release, but it's no longer a blind buy day 0 preorder like it would have been before. I know it's foolish and you should "never preorder games", but I genuinely love skyrim and fallout 4, and I was willing to take that leap of faith since they hadn't truly let me down (I skipped fo76 - multiplayer games aren't for me) I now view them as more akin to a bioware, or blizzard. used to make games I loved, now I'll be very wary and less willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with new titles, will be waiting on reviews from critics I trust and what the community vibe is before I dive in, which I think is a more reasonable stance to take. No blind faith, no blind hate, if you want my money you have to earn that goodwill and loyalty back, Bethesda
In every interview Bethesda never admits anything is wrong with their games. They are stuck in the past and don't seem to even like videogames. There's is no evidence can or even want to change and improve their games.
@@hovsep56 it definitely isn’t mid. 80% of the mechanics and stuff in the game is sloppy and the other 20% is under utilized. And there’s a difference between being neutral and coping. A neutral statement he could’ve made is “although Bethesda games have been pretty horrible the past 10 years, we should still have hope that they’ll make a good elder scrolls game. But by the looks of it, we shouldn’t expect anything positive from Bethesda.” Instead he said “starfield and fallout 76 are good games (despite the poor feedback on both) and Bethesda will continue to make amazing games”
People need to quit tossing out that old chestnut. Obsidian is a shell of what it was when they made the best 3d Fallout and one of the best games of all time. No Chris Avalon, no Tim Cain, no Josh Sawyer.. Everyone who made the studio legendary has gone their separate ways. Obsidian is a competant but mid studio these days. Outer Worlds was mid af. New Vegas 2 would be a travesty, a meh tier game that mars the legacy of the IP. I pine for the good old days as much as the rest of us, but we need to stop dredging up old IPs to reclaim their glory days if you can't have all the original ingredients and a bottle of lightning. It sucks, but that's just the way it is now.
We can only hope that someone higher than bugthesda in the company will wake up one day and give a chance to others because its clear that they just ruined the IP nothing more.
You're saying that like you don't know that all ot the people that worked at Obsidian during FNV left. Look at Outer Worlds to see that a FNV 2 by Obsidian would be pretty boring.
@@brovid-19people also seem to forget that they released Fallout New Vegas as a buggy mess and Knights of the Old Republic 2 was released unfinished
I remember my junior year of highschool in 2018 I saw the trailer for elder scrolls 6 come out. Me and every guy in the classroom got excited. We convinced our teacher to play it 4-5 times on the big screen. We deconstructed and made theories. Now I’m in my senior year of college and I don’t feel anything for Bethesda or elder scrolls 6. I’m unsure if I’ll even get it if it comes out, unless it surpasses everyone’s expectations and is a masterpiece then I won’t be buying it. Bethesda has failed me time and time again. When fallout 76 came out I thought it would be a co op fallout game that I could play with friends. It turns out it was a poorly implemented mmo that has pay to win mechanics. Then I saw starfield and I felt happy and excited but then I played it and poured 100+ hours into it (without watching reviews) and then I realized that Bethesda doesn’t care about customers anymore and want to just pander to a small niche group of gaming journalists.
@@EliJahFedgo4tr Wrong. Todd Howard and his friend Emil still work at Bethesda. They still have control over the games being made. Elder Scrolls 6 is being made on their shitty Creation Engine 2. So yes worry.
I am not worried, because I am not buying ANY future Bethesda products. They have only show incompetence since 76 and part of Fallout 4. I even refunded Star Field. Unless they clean house, I have no hopes for Bethesda.
I'm sad to say this, but I'm not "worried" 'cause Bethesda has killed any enthusiasm I once had. I don't trust them to put out a good product. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I have zero confidence in Bethesda.
Reviews go along way with me, just as when purchasing an item on Amazon, I take into account reviews, when Starfield was mentioned, I didn't hesitate, I purchased the prerelease, I won't make the same mistake again. ES VI, I won't be among those that purchase beforehand, instead I'll be sure to read/watch reviews first.
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Saying starfield could’ve been good if it had better exploration and writing is asking for a different game. Starfield is a tech demo of how not to make a game.
All i'm worried about is bathesda updating their old game after releasing TES6 so that the old games with mods became broken in hope so that people will play/buy TES6
I cannot wait for this game to be disappointing, and then for all the retrospective videos of Skyrim and how that game actually wasn’t that good either. It’s gonna happen.
It was good for it's time, can't imagine playing vanilla skyrim anymore, I still play because the mods make the game feel like I did when I first played
With paid mods what will a 100 mod load order cost? Will the cost of mods prevent experimentation to find mods I like? What is the value of those paid mods if they are repeatedly broken constant "updates?" CD Projekt Red has it right. As someone who became a fan when Daggerfall was released I hate to say this. But if BGS continues down this road TES6 will for me end up like FO76 and Starfield. A no sale.
Going almost 20 years by the time it comes between single player game releases is almost inexcusable. There are better alternatives that look great (The Wayward Realms, KCD2) that are coming at the same time. They have killed the enthusiasm compared to what it could have been.
Yeah Juicy Boy we already know you have your own perspective… and usually is the one that fits great for Bethesda. *Shocking* Btw you love to use Loregrim or others Wabajacks packs/mods for your thumbnails… its great to know those came out for free, from dedicated moders and not from that Creation Club that you love so much. At the end of the day its great to see you keep beating the dead horse while others youtubers (more unbiased and realistic than you) are worried… its not just an Engine problem, bugs or a clunky gameplay, its a narrative/script problem something that Bethesda know they can’t solve with Pagliarulo at the front of the ship.
Its a "how do you fill a game with interesting quests and side quests" kind of issue. Also moders saved all their games. The same moders they are trying to cut out.
I feel more confident about ESO 6 than I do the next Dragon Age. Dear Lord, what i’ve seen of Veilguard is a hot mess. And what they did to Quanari is downright criminal. I’d had preferred returning to the DA 2 style for them. Instead it took the design of DA 3 and doubled the aspects people hated.
I think it’s worse than being worried, I just don’t care anymore. I could cope with that potato of a engine and the game design of 20 years ago, but Bethesda’s writing is so bad lol. I just know it’s going to be a super dated game and I don’t care anymore.
Switching to Unreal Engine would be a big mistake for this kind of a game. I've seen mods for games that use that engine. The best you can do is swap out textures and models. You wont be able to make new areas or new quests. It would suck!
Anyone who says the engine is an issue probably don't know anything about game engines. As for me, if ES6 has been touched by Pagliarulo, I ain't playing it. Simple as.
Bethesda say things like "our best game ever" not for the benefit of the audience or customers, but for the benefit of the shareholders. They are the important ones now.
Ungodly amounts of loading screens, no performance mode at 60 fps, ugly npcs and buggy A.I, and subpar writing and a non existent dynamic choice system that effects relationships and the world. If these issues aren't addressed, it will be a failure. Like seriously, their is zero excuse that Bethesda's games play and look the way they do with modern hardware. It's really just embarrassing. If a small studio like Larian can make BG3 then Bethesda that has over 500 developers and tons of resources has no excuse for any it. Their delusion will be their downfall.
starfield was just soo different. and didn't have ANY of the good lore writers that the elder scrolls and fallout games had especially before the new head writer came in and said stuff like "writing doesn't matter because players don't care", probably to cope with his below mediocre writing skills. if TES 6 is bad. i won't care because CDPR is out there making unequivocal masterpieces
For me, i've lost all hope or hype for TES6 for 3 main reason : 1. I replayed Skyrim vanilla and absolutly couldn't last more than 3 hours because of how bare bone the melee and magic system is and i don't think Bethesda can't change that without changing the identity of the serie. 2. I liked Starfield but i can say with 100% that if it's their "best and biggest game" then it's really saying "Yeah we can only give you 100 systems that are very shallow" 3. Let's be serious, they can't bring back the community of modders after the "waiting for 1 year for the modkit" in Starfield. Most modders gave up on Starfield and you can see it, if you go on the nexus. But i want to make it clear. I want to be wrong on this. I want to be amazed by TES6 and to feel like Bethesda is the king od rpg. Until then, i'm gonna be ignoring every TES6 news and waiting for the reviews after a month of release to know if i'm going to even buy it.
Another problem with modding Starfield is that some of the core problems with the game are not possible to fix with mods. They simple lie so deeply rooted into the games very design that, at best, you could try to paper it over, but it will inevitably rear its ugly head regardless. Skyrim has its own problems, but the criticisms of Skyrim are much more easily addressed through mods. Improved magic systems, progression, new content and other overhauls, etc. You can extensively mod Skyrim without it ever stopping being Skyrim. Whereas with Starfield, the ideal set of mods Id love to theoretically have would mean essentially remaking the whole game from scratch.
@@snaggiz Yeah, i imagine removing loading screen and adding actual travel between planets can't be added without remaking the game. A shame that most mod for Starfield is just replacer and a bit more ship parts. I do think that Starfield had a lot of potential for modding but Bethesda kinda fucked up with the modkit and paid mods.
Bethesda has gotten lazier and lazier every release since skyrim, their games get more and more dumbed down and monetized, i have absolutely zero faith in them to deliver on TES 6 or Fallout 5
@@dingledongus yeah i actually agree with this, oblivion from morrowind dumbed down alot of interesting mechanics too, though it's not as egregious as oblivion to skyrim, or skyrim to fallout 4
Nah, I ain’t worried. As matter of fact, I’m not looking forward to the next Elder Scrolls and just sticking with Skyrim and Oblivion modded playthroughs. If I’m wrong and elder scrolls 6 actually becomes a hit. I’ll be humbled and not complain. But if not, then I won’t be surprised.
The biggest problem is just how bad the writing has gotten. The main quest from the last 3 single player games haven't been great (FO4's story has so many problems). There are only a couple of quests in Shattered Space I liked. The rest are bad. The sad part for me is that you saying the next game isn't going to be a GotY contender is already damning. I think the next game is going to be like Starfield in that it will be mid/average. Worse for Bethesda, a lot of people are indifferent or feel burned and not listened to that initial sales are not going to be as high as Starfield. I personally don't plan on buying until it's been out a few months and people have settled on whether it's good or people hit the wall, like Starfield. I'd like the actual good writers to get more control, but I doubt that based on the senior management that remains at Bethesda.
Yes, we should worry. If Sweet Baby Inc has their way, they will ruin it, just like they have so many other games. Sadly, Bethesda does work with them.
Fan disappointment makes so much sense to me now. Fans want them to succeed. That latest interview showed that Bethesda may be regressing. Improvement (the opposite of regression) requires awareness, acknowledgement, and humility…which Bethesda refuse to do.
you cant compare fallout 4 with emplyfield, at least fo4 is a full game, with quests, side quest, a landscape filled with things to do and explore, the dlc re fun and again filled with things to do. the mods (not only pc master race) on console re soooo many you can create a new game inside fo4. Now on the other hand you have a half baked and bugged out game with the only "good" thing is the ship building. the "huge" city of atlantis is just a white run size settlement only taller with zombie npcs. The "quests" re just go to this moon grab this and come back for a flew credits and maybe maaaaaaaaaybe a "unique" weapon thats exacly the same than the others. The new game plus its just ok how about start again the game over and over and over so you can have the starborn armor, ship and powers to the max... by the way everything starborn FKING SUUUUUUUUCKS SO MUCH!!!! The planets re just emply spaces, teh space is just another boring sandbox and loading screen... god! i dont want to adress everything thats bad in this game... the mods (againg not only for the pc master race) for console they just sucks!!! and i undertand the modders they dont want to waist a good chunk of their life doing something for this piece of sht of a game
I gave up on bethesda along with so many game developers that being worried about a game that may or may not come out isnt even a thing for me anymore.
Juicehead, mate, This is the problem innit. Bethesda used to be the Kings of Open world RPGs, and so it is disheartening to see them fall this low and to not expect Elder scrolls VI to be Game of the Year material. Fallout 4 with all its faults, is still a Great game, and much in part because of Fallout Lore which is so Darn Interesting. Whereas Starfield just feels like a world without much identity, it is mundane and too clean. You're right in your approach that ES VI will pick up from Skyrim, but that was 13 years old, and Games have evolved quite a lot from that. As to your example of no other game scratching the same itch, I would argue Kingdom Come Deliverance delivers the Oblivion experience Excellently, whilst also keeping it modern, rich, and fully immersive. I think Bethesda really needs to stop thinking itself as the Studio that can do no wrong, Times have past, but with Larian and CDPR Resurgance, the battle to the top is going to be tough.
I am genuinely worried! I don’t know what’s causing Bethesdas issues (leadership, structure, or people) - but whatever the case they have not put out a 10/10 since Skyrim in 2011. There is no reason to think they will suddenly rediscover their magic. ..I thought they would do that with Starfield. ..I then thought they would do it with Shattered Space. ..I have now lost hope.
I feel you’re being too optimistic for your own good. Bethesda has been way too consistent with their actions to suddenly do a 180 degree turn. The momentum is too great in the wrong direction.
Starfield was solo and offline, and so was Shattered Space lol. At least the ESO team embrace complex fringe lore and provide actually decent expansions.
The worst part of eso is that it doesnt even feel anything like an elder scrolls. Its completely a reskined wow with elder scrolls slapped into the title. If it actually played like an elderscrolls it might have been ok
Unless they ditch their current plans and go back to the Skyrim model, they are toast. Remember Bethesda trotted out the rainbow clad modern audience dev, they are done if they don't radically change.
I agree, they have been misusing the engine a lot, they need to design fun stuff using what they have and deciding in loadscreen simulator was them trying to to something the engine is not able to do
I see a developer that has changed it's focus from creating a great game to a developer that's soul focus is how to maximise the financial opportunities of each product. How is it possible to gain yet further funds from an old product? How to gain an increase in more funds from something new? It's not a creative anymore it's just another big ugly corporate maximising profit
Yes, if you still have hope against hope of them creating a strong RPG, No, if you had all hope and faith in BGS beaten out of you if FO4 didn't do it already. Now, can we stop re-treading water on the "future of Bethesda"?
Yes be worried, based off of starfield the only way to travel in between holds will be by a loading screen via a carriage. To which you load into the city gates. The whole map is so big that each section of a different dungeon or home will be split into these mini sectors that can only be reached by wagon
I'm starting to slip beyond TES6 and starting to turn to indifference. In other words, I'm starting to just...not care about Bethesda games anymore. BSG is clearly showing they don't care about their fans and are taking criticism very badly.
I'm going to disagree with you right here at 5:11. Fallout 4 has become more accepted because of the ability to mod the game to be what and how people want. Let's compare NexusMods pages, shall we? What does the "Most Downloaded" page look like for Skyrim, Fallout 4, and Starfield? Skyrim is mainly huge bugfix mods, massive overhauls, and then followed by character customization overhauls. The same could largely be said of Fallout 4. Now, let's look at Starfield. Bug fixes. None of the major mod authors, who are known for making "unofficial" patches for fixing things. Page upon page of nothing but bug fixes. And this is to say nothing of the lack of mods overall in Starfield. Modding Starfield itself is, as I've seen, heard, and taken to saying myself, hostile. Mod authors have left in droves to create, or continue past projects, for Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, NV, and 4. Starfield is broken in a way that needs BSG themselves to look inwards, look at the mods being created, and take feedback and criticism properly. Reviews are harsh, loud, and vulgar because the people writing them are the ones who care the most.
I think our boy's being awfully optimistic. Bethesda are simply not who they were. They haven't made a decent game in a long time & if the Starfield modding scene is anything to go by, ES6 will not be anywhere near the cultural phenomenon that Skyrim was.
Yeah I'm past worry. The leadership at bethesda can't seem to understand how much they are ruining their own formula and thei writing continues to get worse.
I’m not worried. Because if it doesn’t look good then I won’t waste my money on it. If Bethesda wants my money they have to earn it by making something worth it.
I still feel sorry i wasted 50 dollar on starfield. Wont fool me twice bethesda
@@Furywavez I got a refund!
@@FurywavezI guess it depends on what your expectations were. I picked it up at launch and enjoyed it for about 60 hours. I got my money’s worth and was satisfied with that. It doesn’t have the same longevity or absolute level of enjoyment of their other games but if you take away the comparison it’s a competent game on its own
@@THEpicNDtaking away comparisons, and it's competent with its own? Seriously? It's not competent, how can it be if only when you take away comparisons?
It might good, but not competent, that's straight fact.
@THEpicND
It doesn't depend on anyone's expectations. Way too many people are complaining that Starfield was lame, boring and a significant decline in quality for a Bethesda game, and we've been seeing the same thing in the content released for fallout 76 recently as well.
You coming in contradicting someone's given opinion doesn't invalidate anything. This video is about a widely held concern that Bethesda lost their touch and the quality and character of previous beloved titles we all want more of might very well be something we will never see again.
So if you don't share that same concern like everyone else... why are you even here?
Shill harder bro. Bethesda should stop paying shills and just hire more competent devs.
Bethesda went from a "I will always pre-order their stuff" to a "I'll get it if the reviews are good" to a "If fan reviews are good and I watch five hours of it being streamed and it looks good, then I will consider buying it" real fast.
Thats where im at too
I'm at waiting until it's half price on steam if the mods look good two years later
I'm at: "If the TH-camr I watch who likes Bethesda jank can do 100 episodes without eating his shoes I'll buy it".
I'm already at "I'll pirate it first to try it, maybe play it until 500 hours if there's a worthwhile mods to download and only then, maybe I'll consider buying it when it's on sale"
All games should be at the last stage, regardless of studio. I don't pre-order anything. I need to see what I'm buying.
I can concede to technical challenges. What I won't forgive is story and lore that is shallower than a puddle on a concrete sidewalk.
I'm calling it shallower than a puddle on the moon.
This is something you don’t see mentioned enough. Despite Starfields limitations, if it had a solid storyline and good voice acting, it would’ve been forgiven easily. But it didn’t excel at anything.
I initially gave this video a like but after hearing from him that he thinks the biggest issue were the loading screens, I pulled my like away.
Starfield has many issues and goes far beyond just the loading screens. That’s why many said that starfield can’t be fixed, because it’s the core of the game that is rotten and you would have to completely overhaul the whole game.
I don't really mind the old janky engine. I don't mind the loading screens. And I don't mind the outdated gameplay mechanics. What I absolutely do mind, is the awful writing. Starfield story is boring, lore is boring, mission design in uninspired, dialogue is cringe and characters are instantly forgettable.
The number one biggest attraction of TES as a franchise, is the writing. It is one, if not the, best franchise ever in terms of lore and story. Bethesda have for over a decade now show that the cannot write anything competently, and it is just getting worse and worse. Unless they make drastic changes, I see no way that TES 6 end up anything better than "a semi-fun sandbox experience if you turn your brain off", just like Starfield turned out to be.
@@rickinielsen1 Disagree, one of the attractions of TES is the lore, which already existed since Daggerfall and Morrowind and has been degraded over the years. The writing has been average since Oblivion and been degrading since then. The writing is the weakness of any Bethesda game, so I'm surprised you chose that as more important than anything else.
Skyrim was a looooong time ago man. Its a totally different studio. Im defintely going to temper my expectations.
Yea, they also seem to have bled a serious number of their talented devs over the years.
On top of switching their philosophy to "let's make the minimum recquired effort and take the shortest path to making money"
It "worked" for a while because people where absolute fans and would buy the products with their eyes closed but now that all the good will is gone and Bethesda doesn't seem like they want to course correct it's probably no going to go that well for them.
Yeah Skyrim was a long time ago and it would be incredibly mediocre by today's standards and it was already kinda overrated in 2011 but it didn't have much competition so it became a cult game. It will be nearly 2 decades old by the time TES6 arrives. I don't think many people realize the extent of improvements needed for TES6 to be even remotely competitive.
Witcher 4, Red Dead 3, Squadron 42, future Fromsoftware games and God knows what else could be out by that time. Games that will be compared to TES6 extensively.
And Bethesda is not only not improving they've been steadily regressing
Worried? No.
I simply don't think it'll be good. seeing as it's already been over a decade since they've put out a great game
It wasn't even the fast travel for me. It was the overuse of the same assets in the game with procedural generation. I should not be coming across the exact same building, right down to loot and enemies, within 10-15 minutes of each other.
So, the Halo series?
It's been 13 years. So far. No we're not worried about it, we have kids now.
Right. They failed us, LONG AGO
Right bro, my kids have beat skyrim by now
Bruh 13 years☹️
It's funny because it's true. It's also depressing for the same reason.
Ya the teens that played it originally are in their late 20's early 30's now. They fumbled the bag so hard by not making es6 within 6 years of skyrim. That game was a cultural phenomenon, and they could have released anything with the title of es6 and sold a 100 million copies and made a billion dollars.
Starfield is bare bones. Previous BGS games had:
1. Named NPC’s had daily routines & day night cycles. It made BGS games feel alive!
2. Every Named NPC in cities/ villages had their own homes/ bedrooms!
3. Slow mo ‘kill cams’, & combat/ stealth finisher animations (Skyrim/Fo3/4).
4. Decapitation (Skyrim)/ dismemberment (Fo3/4).
5. The Ability to swim underwater. 😅
6. Radio stations for different factions in FO3/4!
7. Puzzles for the Temples (dungeons) to get shouts/ powers (Skyrim)!
8. Elevator Loading screens were hidden in FO4 so they appeared seamless!
9. Skyrim has 5 major cities & 4 major towns. Starfield has 3 major cities (now 4 if you count the DLC).
10. Loading screens had 3D objects you can rotate as you wait.
11. Save files with thumbnail images! Makes it so much easier to find saves;
12. Settlements had optional settlers.
13. Evil/ neutral companions (Fallout 4) & many more romance options.
14. New titles / promotions as you move through faction ranks.
15. You can loot the clothing / armour enemies are actually wearing & not have a random drop chance.
16. Factions in Skyrim all had interesting NPC members to meet at the headquarters with scripted moments (like the Companions or Dark Brotherhood).
17. Guards comment on your skills and the specific weapons you are holding.
18. Guards also react to shooting weapons in a city even if it doesn’t hit/ hurt anyone. & they can be bribed.
#15 They transferred the loot system from Fallout 76, which may be necessary for a live service, but it kills the immersion of a single player game.
Juice, you're approaching this as if Bethesda can't fail because they already have a working formula for ES games. The problem with that, is that they've been taking parts out of the formula over the years. Vital parts. Parts that players might not miss so much when they have a brand new ES game in front of them. But after a few hours of playing, they notice things missing. They notice they're not having as much fun as they did in the previous iteration. They lose interest in the game and move on. They might even go back to the previous ES or Fallout game they enjoyed and have a ton more fun.
Bethesda is slowly eroding their own games for some reason. They either think gamers want simpler experiences or they think nobody will care that they didn't put as much effort into their latest tittle. We should all be worried about the next ES. I don't think we'll ever be playing another true Elder Scrolls game. I think they're a thing of the past.
This 💯
"Bethesda is slowly eroding their own games for some reason..."
Bethesda is INTENTIONALLY eroding their games so they fill in the gaps via purchases through the 'creation club'.
Whether that means paid mods made by Bethesda themselves or by modders, THEY win either way. They've created a microtransaction vector that is less repugnant to gamers, so they're all-in on exploiting that to the fullest.
(There's a reason Microsoft acquired them for $7.5 BILLION, and no, it's not because they were big Morrowind fans.)
There's no point in worrying about the inevitable. Its not even just Bethesda, nearly all the big studios are following the same plan to implode and destroy themselves.
Exactly. Gotta make the game for them audiences that dont exist.
It is the problem when a company must think about "Line must go up"... they eventually become Ubisoft.....
All except the East Asian game devs
I have a theory. The bigger the company, the lazier they get.
@@ImOnGearSoWhat Because they know what sells and dont ignore it but play into it
Worried? No, I'm not funding it, Microsoft should be worried.
-Excretion Club
-Fallout 76
-Nylon Bag
-Starfield
-Broken next-gen update
-So-so DLC
The track record has not been good the past few years, to say the least.
Exactly.
Don't forget that Fallout TV show which more or less killed what the franchise was.
@@anthonypuk5190 fr.
@@anthonypuk5190 that show wasnt that bad tbh if you dont link them
@@anthonypuk5190 the DEI main characters killed it for me. Also they come over as dumb morons most characters in the show. Im a fan but not a fanboy to like that
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if ES6 comes out and then a month later we all just go back to playing Skyrim.
i'm sorry but i'm calliing bs on the last statement in the video, if es6 isn't a game of the year contender after 15 years then it is a disaster.........15 fucking years!!!!!
To be fair about GOTY its extremely hard too get GOTY like Wukong i dont even remember seeing its a choice for it yet everyone and their mother was playing it
Worried? Nah. That would assume I'm emotionally invested in it. I've been completely indifferent about it for years at this point as expectations could not be lower
I'm not worried about Elder Scrolls 6, I'm indifferent and just don't care. Bethesda have no trust or hope left.
First Bioware and now Bethesda. My only hope left in the gaming industry is Obsidian.
@@CollideFan1 nah man, most of the good stuff coming up is from indy studios, unfortuntaly they are not big enough to really do what they want but you can clearly see the creativity and talent in those titles.
"The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference." - Elie Wiesel
@@CollideFan1yea they also make games that u touch ones and never again and forgotten. Avowed looks just very boring and mid. Im gonna play kingdomcome deliverance 2. Its unique and a very fun game tho more story focused on ur named character. Combat tho simple looks more fun then the garbage screen filling combat i saw from avowed
Starfields writing was horrific. That was the worst part. They could have worked around the engine with good writing. But they didnt. It was bland. It sucked.
Why write the great American novel, when players will just make paper planes out of it, and spend hours being shacks - Emil Pagliarilo, lead writer. Paraphrased.
Starfield was the first game where BGS coulnd't rely on existing lore from 25 years ago or an acquired IP.
I fear for the writing of elder scrolls. It's gotten so bad at the point you're. think you're better off letting the writers of Elder Scrolls online take it over. Sure, they're not the best, but it's better..
Starfield ended up being Skyrim in space because of the Powers with a 2001 Space Odyssey tryhard ending.
Bethesda has missed the boat on worrying about negativity for the next title. Apathy is what comes next, and an apathetic market will be a million times worse
Apathy is death
Agree. After apathy is death.
Short answer:Yes
Long answer: yes, but with 16x the detail
It’s honestly crazy how Emil by himself has destroyed so much faith the community had in bethesda
BGS needs an actual project manager. And no, the content and quests that are currently there are not fine. Everything is railroaded and nonsensical. The multiverse mechanic also just needs to be stripped out because it nullifies the purpose of anything that happens. It would need a complete rewrite, which will never happen.
Google "fallout van buren design documents pdf" and decide if BGS need a project manager, or people that can actually produce a design that's deeper than a puddle.
If they can't be bothered to fix Fallout 4 after breaking it, then yes, I'm concerned about the next TES. I'm also concerned about them dropping random patches to break their other games too. Even waiting 10 years isn't enough to stay safe. I'm starting to wonder if they'll try to break Oblivion shortly before releasing a remaster. I love the games, but the company really sucks, and they are alienating me.
I'm not worried I'm very confident it will be garbage
I don’t think that Skyrim 2 would be enough after 15 years of waiting. And I don’t think that Bethesda could release something better than Skyrim.(tbh I don’t think they’ll be able to release something on the level with Skyrim)
hopefully, one day, people will realize that its not a bad thing to express worry or concern about something you admire
The cream of the crop in the games industry with the resources of Microsoft and possibly the most beloved IP of any fantasy video game ever? Should we expect something great?
Nah, lets hold them to the standard of 5-year-olds playing soccer. 🤣
Bethesda: "Pay more. Expect less"
I'm sorry JuiceHead, but your hope is cope. Every bit of evidence shows Bethesda doesnt want to listen, won't listen, and can't listen in time enough. The people you're siting who 'know better' aren't even on the team working for the game anymore. Starfield wasn't supposed to be some sideproject, starfield was supposed to be the new starwars, you saying 'next time will be their A game' is ignoring that this was they're A game and then some.
its a new ip that is different enough from TES and fallout, and usually thr first of a franchise is overshadowed by its sequel. fallout 76 was a zenimax mandate (like eolfenstien new blood and such) fallout 4 despite people saying they hated it was still one of their most successful games.
bethesda is fine, people just dont like change or accepting that a dev team should try new things, not being a falloutTES machine til the end of time.
Yeah this video is 13 minutes of cope.
Im fine with them not being a falloutTES machine but if its gonna be 20 years between fallouts or TES games they have got to do something. Let someone else make a spinoff or remaster at the very least. Obsidian proved with new vegas that they were qualified. Blue point's demon souls remake was phenominal. The problem is 'thesda just sitting on their big ips doing nothing while fans put their 6753rd hour into skyrim because thats all we have
@@loafheresy5729 cope
@@loafheresy5729I'm sick of the "trying new things" cope. They simply failed and made a mediocre game that was worse than fallout 4.
Not a single update in 6 years...
1:54 Yeah I doubt the channel almost entirely focused on Bethesda that gets to go to Bethesda events would ever say they completely lost hope in Bethesda.
Did you watch his videos? He critized starfield aswell snd shattered space.
Even in this video he critized it.
You didn't watch the channel during his coverage of '76. He was very critical at times.
I just hope Xbox will license out the Bethesda IPs...Soon
The only possibility to anything good will happen with Fallout.
Honestly, if Bethesda allowed us to fly from planet to planet instead of fast travelling from planet to planet it would make the game feel a lot better. Why would I spend hours making a ship if all I can do is hit a couple buttons in a menu while in the pilot
At least with Banjo and Kazooie Nuts & bolts I could drive it around to different areas lul, I wish Microsoft would do actually do something with Banjo and Kazooie, Conker, Grabbed by the Ghoulies?.... heck ill even take remasters on PC at this point and be super happy, but they don't sound like they want to do much of anything with them or any of Rares old games. Only ways next to the actual cart is to get Rare Replay which are mostly older Xbox 360 ports which are "ok" still not on PC, NSO I guess now at least has the second Banjo game? but that is still just a rental, and dumping the carts to play on an emulator, which N64 emulation has always been hit and miss...
Flying from planet to planet would not improve things. You would need something engaging to happen between planet travel so it's not so repetitive. The engine as it is will never be able to do what other space travel games do they were in a lose lose situation and never noticed.
So on point on that.
Adding 10 minutes of travel time between planets won't save the game.
The worry has passed, the excuses have run out.
I gave Fallout 4 the benefit of the doubt, they were experimenting. It was still pretty good.
I gave Fallout 76 the benefit of the doubt, it was the B team, they'd never done online before.
Starfield? What excuse is there to give?
Fallout New Vegas was also developed with a smaller team and within 1-2 years. I like Fallout 4, I only just now like Fallout 76, but Starfield? Nah this game shouldn't have taken a full development cycle.
Yeah unlike the first 2 games starfield has no future nor any hope.
@@heroicgangster9981 Not sure what New Vegas has to do with BGS. New Vegas was developed by actual talented people that were aiming to provide a deep RPG experience. That hasn't been the objective of BGS since Morrowind.
If TES6 is a Skyrim 2, I don't want it.
most people didn't like, not some.
edit: being the bigger selling game doesn't mean it's good necessarily, how much it can hold players after launch and how many return after updates and DLC. Starfield is mediocre and sometimes downright ridiculous. (IM A HUGE BETHESDA FAN BTW, LITERALL THOUNSANDS OF HOURS PLAYING THEM)
11:35 what was that cut?
I spoke with a fellow gaming buddy of mine about my concerns with ES6, and the conclusion was, "why are you worried about something that doesn't even exist yet? seems silly. Wait until they start showing off trailers, gameplay, and etc. and decide for yourself there."
I'm willing to remain skeptical and and treat ES6 like I'd treat any release from a studio I'm not familiar with, simply because they burned a lot of good will with thestate of starfield, fallout 4, and the asinine way they've handled PR post-starfield release, but it's no longer a blind buy day 0 preorder like it would have been before. I know it's foolish and you should "never preorder games", but I genuinely love skyrim and fallout 4, and I was willing to take that leap of faith since they hadn't truly let me down (I skipped fo76 - multiplayer games aren't for me)
I now view them as more akin to a bioware, or blizzard. used to make games I loved, now I'll be very wary and less willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with new titles, will be waiting on reviews from critics I trust and what the community vibe is before I dive in, which I think is a more reasonable stance to take.
No blind faith, no blind hate, if you want my money you have to earn that goodwill and loyalty back, Bethesda
This is a great take. Thank you
In every interview Bethesda never admits anything is wrong with their games. They are stuck in the past and don't seem to even like videogames. There's is no evidence can or even want to change and improve their games.
When you tell people your fans that their criticism doesn’t matter, you’re indicating that their praise doesn’t matter
Yeah this video is just a lot of copium.
“Starfield wasn’t that bad and the shattered space DLC wasn’t that bad, Bethesda is fine”
The guy is nuetral he already critized starfield and shattered space.
In this video he also critized it.
And he is right, it's just mid, not bad.
my copium is that the past decade of cashgrabs was to develop a new engine (they were talking about it for 7 years now) and make ES6 worth the wait
@@youdontknowme3935 they said for ES6 that it’ll still be in the same engine.
So the cash grabs weren’t even really worth it.
@@hovsep56 it definitely isn’t mid. 80% of the mechanics and stuff in the game is sloppy and the other 20% is under utilized.
And there’s a difference between being neutral and coping. A neutral statement he could’ve made is “although Bethesda games have been pretty horrible the past 10 years, we should still have hope that they’ll make a good elder scrolls game. But by the looks of it, we shouldn’t expect anything positive from Bethesda.”
Instead he said “starfield and fallout 76 are good games (despite the poor feedback on both) and Bethesda will continue to make amazing games”
The only thing I worry about is that Bethesda will not allow Obsidian make New Vegas 2.
People need to quit tossing out that old chestnut. Obsidian is a shell of what it was when they made the best 3d Fallout and one of the best games of all time. No Chris Avalon, no Tim Cain, no Josh Sawyer.. Everyone who made the studio legendary has gone their separate ways. Obsidian is a competant but mid studio these days. Outer Worlds was mid af. New Vegas 2 would be a travesty, a meh tier game that mars the legacy of the IP. I pine for the good old days as much as the rest of us, but we need to stop dredging up old IPs to reclaim their glory days if you can't have all the original ingredients and a bottle of lightning. It sucks, but that's just the way it is now.
We can only hope that someone higher than bugthesda in the company will wake up one day and give a chance to others because its clear that they just ruined the IP nothing more.
You're saying that like you don't know that all ot the people that worked at Obsidian during FNV left. Look at Outer Worlds to see that a FNV 2 by Obsidian would be pretty boring.
@@brovid-19people also seem to forget that they released Fallout New Vegas as a buggy mess and Knights of the Old Republic 2 was released unfinished
I’m willing to shelve this argument until we see how Avowed turns out. Anyone else?
I remember my junior year of highschool in 2018 I saw the trailer for elder scrolls 6 come out. Me and every guy in the classroom got excited. We convinced our teacher to play it 4-5 times on the big screen. We deconstructed and made theories.
Now I’m in my senior year of college and I don’t feel anything for Bethesda or elder scrolls 6. I’m unsure if I’ll even get it if it comes out, unless it surpasses everyone’s expectations and is a masterpiece then I won’t be buying it.
Bethesda has failed me time and time again. When fallout 76 came out I thought it would be a co op fallout game that I could play with friends. It turns out it was a poorly implemented mmo that has pay to win mechanics.
Then I saw starfield and I felt happy and excited but then I played it and poured 100+ hours into it (without watching reviews) and then I realized that Bethesda doesn’t care about customers anymore and want to just pander to a small niche group of gaming journalists.
Exactly how i feel.
After Fallout 76 and Starfeild, I've lost all enthusiasm for all Bethesda franchises.
Worried? Is that a serious question?
The time for worry is over. Now, the ice age of apathy has come.
Yes. Juice is very...how should we say? Well, a lot of cope.
I still haven't played star field. after fallout 76 i just play the old games
I don't worry about things I won't buy lol
Those that dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
If the same people behind Starfield are making Elder Scrolls 6, then logically yes. Players should be very worried.
But they're not
@@EliJahFedgo4tr Wrong. Todd Howard and his friend Emil still work at Bethesda. They still have control over the games being made. Elder Scrolls 6 is being made on their shitty Creation Engine 2.
So yes worry.
I am not worried, because I am not buying ANY future Bethesda products.
They have only show incompetence since 76 and part of Fallout 4.
I even refunded Star Field.
Unless they clean house, I have no hopes for Bethesda.
I'm sad to say this, but I'm not "worried" 'cause Bethesda has killed any enthusiasm I once had. I don't trust them to put out a good product. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I have zero confidence in Bethesda.
Reviews go along way with me, just as when purchasing an item on Amazon, I take into account reviews, when Starfield was mentioned, I didn't hesitate, I purchased the prerelease, I won't make the same mistake again. ES VI, I won't be among those that purchase beforehand, instead I'll be sure to read/watch reviews first.
Fans -"Should I Be Worried About The Elder Scrolls 6?"
Juice -"Should I Be Worried About The Viability of my Channel?"
"Nahhhhhhh! It's fine, everything is fine "
Saying starfield could’ve been good if it had better exploration and writing is asking for a different game. Starfield is a tech demo of how not to make a game.
All i'm worried about is bathesda updating their old game after releasing TES6 so that the old games with mods became broken in hope so that people will play/buy TES6
That's why I'm moving from Steam to GOG for many games. I can be sure they won't update unless I want them to.
I cannot wait for this game to be disappointing, and then for all the retrospective videos of Skyrim and how that game actually wasn’t that good either. It’s gonna happen.
It was good for it's time, can't imagine playing vanilla skyrim anymore, I still play because the mods make the game feel like I did when I first played
The cope is insane
With paid mods what will a 100 mod load order cost?
Will the cost of mods prevent experimentation to find mods I like?
What is the value of those paid mods if they are repeatedly broken constant "updates?"
CD Projekt Red has it right.
As someone who became a fan when Daggerfall was released I hate to say this. But if BGS continues down this road TES6 will for me end up like FO76 and Starfield. A no sale.
Going almost 20 years by the time it comes between single player game releases is almost inexcusable. There are better alternatives that look great (The Wayward Realms, KCD2) that are coming at the same time. They have killed the enthusiasm compared to what it could have been.
if ES6 turns into a constantly updated live service game, we're doomed.
It will
Yeah Juicy Boy we already know you have your own perspective… and usually is the one that fits great for Bethesda. *Shocking* Btw you love to use Loregrim or others Wabajacks packs/mods for your thumbnails… its great to know those came out for free, from dedicated moders and not from that Creation Club that you love so much. At the end of the day its great to see you keep beating the dead horse while others youtubers (more unbiased and realistic than you) are worried… its not just an Engine problem, bugs or a clunky gameplay, its a narrative/script problem something that Bethesda know they can’t solve with Pagliarulo at the front of the ship.
Its a "how do you fill a game with interesting quests and side quests" kind of issue. Also moders saved all their games. The same moders they are trying to cut out.
@@Joseph32547 they are lazzy AF after Skyrim and greedy like Activision.
I feel more confident about ESO 6 than I do the next Dragon Age. Dear Lord, what i’ve seen of Veilguard is a hot mess. And what they did to Quanari is downright criminal. I’d had preferred returning to the DA 2 style for them. Instead it took the design of DA 3 and doubled the aspects people hated.
I think it’s worse than being worried, I just don’t care anymore. I could cope with that potato of a engine and the game design of 20 years ago, but Bethesda’s writing is so bad lol. I just know it’s going to be a super dated game and I don’t care anymore.
I'm not worried about ES6. I haven't bought Bethesda games since FO4...
Switching to Unreal Engine would be a big mistake for this kind of a game. I've seen mods for games that use that engine. The best you can do is swap out textures and models. You wont be able to make new areas or new quests. It would suck!
I'm not worried about elder scrolls 6, because bugfesta is a 1 trick pony, that trick works on a Skyrim style single player game
that's assuming it will be a single player game and not a live service. that's what i'm worried about at this point.
Anyone who says the engine is an issue probably don't know anything about game engines.
As for me, if ES6 has been touched by Pagliarulo, I ain't playing it. Simple as.
Just call him emil, hes f*cked us enough all ready.
I really don't understand why changes haven't been made at the company. This is what happens when you don't prioritize competence in a work setting.
Bethesda say things like "our best game ever" not for the benefit of the audience or customers, but for the benefit of the shareholders. They are the important ones now.
Ungodly amounts of loading screens, no performance mode at 60 fps, ugly npcs and buggy A.I, and subpar writing and a non existent dynamic choice system that effects relationships and the world. If these issues aren't addressed, it will be a failure. Like seriously, their is zero excuse that Bethesda's games play and look the way they do with modern hardware. It's really just embarrassing. If a small studio like Larian can make BG3 then Bethesda that has over 500 developers and tons of resources has no excuse for any it. Their delusion will be their downfall.
No because when you take this long between games, people just stop caring really. Just like I don’t care about GTA6
Definitely the biggest mistake they made. Way too many people have since moved on and no longer care.
starfield was just soo different. and didn't have ANY of the good lore writers that the elder scrolls and fallout games had especially before the new head writer came in and said stuff like "writing doesn't matter because players don't care", probably to cope with his below mediocre writing skills. if TES 6 is bad. i won't care because CDPR is out there making unequivocal masterpieces
For me, i've lost all hope or hype for TES6 for 3 main reason :
1. I replayed Skyrim vanilla and absolutly couldn't last more than 3 hours because of how bare bone the melee and magic system is and i don't think Bethesda can't change that without changing the identity of the serie.
2. I liked Starfield but i can say with 100% that if it's their "best and biggest game" then it's really saying "Yeah we can only give you 100 systems that are very shallow"
3. Let's be serious, they can't bring back the community of modders after the "waiting for 1 year for the modkit" in Starfield. Most modders gave up on Starfield and you can see it, if you go on the nexus.
But i want to make it clear. I want to be wrong on this. I want to be amazed by TES6 and to feel like Bethesda is the king od rpg.
Until then, i'm gonna be ignoring every TES6 news and waiting for the reviews after a month of release to know if i'm going to even buy it.
Another problem with modding Starfield is that some of the core problems with the game are not possible to fix with mods. They simple lie so deeply rooted into the games very design that, at best, you could try to paper it over, but it will inevitably rear its ugly head regardless.
Skyrim has its own problems, but the criticisms of Skyrim are much more easily addressed through mods. Improved magic systems, progression, new content and other overhauls, etc. You can extensively mod Skyrim without it ever stopping being Skyrim. Whereas with Starfield, the ideal set of mods Id love to theoretically have would mean essentially remaking the whole game from scratch.
@@snaggiz Yeah, i imagine removing loading screen and adding actual travel between planets can't be added without remaking the game. A shame that most mod for Starfield is just replacer and a bit more ship parts.
I do think that Starfield had a lot of potential for modding but Bethesda kinda fucked up with the modkit and paid mods.
Bethesda has gotten lazier and lazier every release since skyrim, their games get more and more dumbed down and monetized, i have absolutely zero faith in them to deliver on TES 6 or Fallout 5
nah their last game that wasnt plagued by this laziness was Morrowind
@@dingledongus yeah i actually agree with this, oblivion from morrowind dumbed down alot of interesting mechanics too, though it's not as egregious as oblivion to skyrim, or skyrim to fallout 4
Nah, I ain’t worried. As matter of fact, I’m not looking forward to the next Elder Scrolls and just sticking with Skyrim and Oblivion modded playthroughs. If I’m wrong and elder scrolls 6 actually becomes a hit. I’ll be humbled and not complain. But if not, then I won’t be surprised.
The biggest problem is just how bad the writing has gotten. The main quest from the last 3 single player games haven't been great (FO4's story has so many problems). There are only a couple of quests in Shattered Space I liked. The rest are bad.
The sad part for me is that you saying the next game isn't going to be a GotY contender is already damning. I think the next game is going to be like Starfield in that it will be mid/average. Worse for Bethesda, a lot of people are indifferent or feel burned and not listened to that initial sales are not going to be as high as Starfield. I personally don't plan on buying until it's been out a few months and people have settled on whether it's good or people hit the wall, like Starfield. I'd like the actual good writers to get more control, but I doubt that based on the senior management that remains at Bethesda.
Christ...
The amount of Bethesda ɗįçƙriding...
I know right? Bro cant be serious
Bugthesda is the abusive boyfriend telling us it was our fault for being hit ...
No, Bethesda is more like the woke green haired wahmen with pronouns who don't need no man.
Yes, we should worry. If Sweet Baby Inc has their way, they will ruin it, just like they have so many other games. Sadly, Bethesda does work with them.
False hope. Bethesda has shown complete unwillingness to change, and thus one should expect any new game from them to be trash.
Fan disappointment makes so much sense to me now. Fans want them to succeed. That latest interview showed that Bethesda may be regressing. Improvement (the opposite of regression) requires awareness, acknowledgement, and humility…which Bethesda refuse to do.
So sad to see such a beloved company squander it all
you cant compare fallout 4 with emplyfield, at least fo4 is a full game, with quests, side quest, a landscape filled with things to do and explore, the dlc re fun and again filled with things to do. the mods (not only pc master race) on console re soooo many you can create a new game inside fo4. Now on the other hand you have a half baked and bugged out game with the only "good" thing is the ship building. the "huge" city of atlantis is just a white run size settlement only taller with zombie npcs. The "quests" re just go to this moon grab this and come back for a flew credits and maybe maaaaaaaaaybe a "unique" weapon thats exacly the same than the others. The new game plus its just ok how about start again the game over and over and over so you can have the starborn armor, ship and powers to the max... by the way everything starborn FKING SUUUUUUUUCKS SO MUCH!!!! The planets re just emply spaces, teh space is just another boring sandbox and loading screen... god! i dont want to adress everything thats bad in this game... the mods (againg not only for the pc master race) for console they just sucks!!! and i undertand the modders they dont want to waist a good chunk of their life doing something for this piece of sht of a game
I gave up on bethesda along with so many game developers that being worried about a game that may or may not come out isnt even a thing for me anymore.
We're going to get GTA 6 before Elder Scrolls 6
probably gta 7 too
We got Spiderman 2 on pc before gta 6😂
Looool what a dishonest video.
"Should you be worried? No. Buy Skyrim with my affiliate link."
Imma crack open some New Vegas and relive the good ol days.
Juicehead, mate, This is the problem innit. Bethesda used to be the Kings of Open world RPGs, and so it is disheartening to see them fall this low and to not expect Elder scrolls VI to be Game of the Year material. Fallout 4 with all its faults, is still a Great game, and much in part because of Fallout Lore which is so Darn Interesting. Whereas Starfield just feels like a world without much identity, it is mundane and too clean.
You're right in your approach that ES VI will pick up from Skyrim, but that was 13 years old, and Games have evolved quite a lot from that. As to your example of no other game scratching the same itch, I would argue Kingdom Come Deliverance delivers the Oblivion experience Excellently, whilst also keeping it modern, rich, and fully immersive.
I think Bethesda really needs to stop thinking itself as the Studio that can do no wrong, Times have past, but with Larian and CDPR Resurgance, the battle to the top is going to be tough.
I am genuinely worried! I don’t know what’s causing Bethesdas issues (leadership, structure, or people) - but whatever the case they have not put out a 10/10 since Skyrim in 2011.
There is no reason to think they will suddenly rediscover their magic. ..I thought they would do that with Starfield. ..I then thought they would do it with Shattered Space. ..I have now lost hope.
I feel you’re being too optimistic for your own good. Bethesda has been way too consistent with their actions to suddenly do a 180 degree turn. The momentum is too great in the wrong direction.
At this point: just give us more Solo, Offline, Non Monetized Elder Scrolls.
That's all we want. Eff ESO.
Starfield was solo and offline, and so was Shattered Space lol. At least the ESO team embrace complex fringe lore and provide actually decent expansions.
The worst part of eso is that it doesnt even feel anything like an elder scrolls. Its completely a reskined wow with elder scrolls slapped into the title. If it actually played like an elderscrolls it might have been ok
Unless they ditch their current plans and go back to the Skyrim model, they are toast.
Remember Bethesda trotted out the rainbow clad modern audience dev, they are done if they don't radically change.
The people complaining that the Creation Engine is the problem are the same people who don't know Titanfall/Apex Legends are on Source engine.
I agree, they have been misusing the engine a lot, they need to design fun stuff using what they have and deciding in loadscreen simulator was them trying to to something the engine is not able to do
My last Bethesda game was Fallout 4. Bethesda games aren't good without mods and I won't allow Todd and co. waste my time or money anymore.
wish you talked about the engine instead of cutting it.
I see a developer that has changed it's focus from creating a great game to a developer that's soul focus is how to maximise the financial opportunities of each product. How is it possible to gain yet further funds from an old product? How to gain an increase in more funds from something new?
It's not a creative anymore it's just another big ugly corporate maximising profit
Yes, if you still have hope against hope of them creating a strong RPG, No, if you had all hope and faith in BGS beaten out of you if FO4 didn't do it already.
Now, can we stop re-treading water on the "future of Bethesda"?
Yes be worried, based off of starfield the only way to travel in between holds will be by a loading screen via a carriage. To which you load into the city gates. The whole map is so big that each section of a different dungeon or home will be split into these mini sectors that can only be reached by wagon
So it'd be like Daggerfall?
Nice!
I'm starting to slip beyond TES6 and starting to turn to indifference. In other words, I'm starting to just...not care about Bethesda games anymore. BSG is clearly showing they don't care about their fans and are taking criticism very badly.
I'm going to disagree with you right here at 5:11. Fallout 4 has become more accepted because of the ability to mod the game to be what and how people want.
Let's compare NexusMods pages, shall we? What does the "Most Downloaded" page look like for Skyrim, Fallout 4, and Starfield? Skyrim is mainly huge bugfix mods, massive overhauls, and then followed by character customization overhauls. The same could largely be said of Fallout 4. Now, let's look at Starfield. Bug fixes. None of the major mod authors, who are known for making "unofficial" patches for fixing things. Page upon page of nothing but bug fixes.
And this is to say nothing of the lack of mods overall in Starfield. Modding Starfield itself is, as I've seen, heard, and taken to saying myself, hostile. Mod authors have left in droves to create, or continue past projects, for Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, NV, and 4. Starfield is broken in a way that needs BSG themselves to look inwards, look at the mods being created, and take feedback and criticism properly. Reviews are harsh, loud, and vulgar because the people writing them are the ones who care the most.
I think our boy's being awfully optimistic. Bethesda are simply not who they were. They haven't made a decent game in a long time & if the Starfield modding scene is anything to go by, ES6 will not be anywhere near the cultural phenomenon that Skyrim was.
Yeah I'm past worry. The leadership at bethesda can't seem to understand how much they are ruining their own formula and thei writing continues to get worse.
Starfield is not a bad game it just sucks.