It’s pretty easy to see what the plan was here. They wanted to release a game they could sell paid mods, paid quest for $10 and single city(plant) size DLC’s for $30 bucks a pop. They can start extracting money on a per mission per world basis, basically pay to play on the next interesting planet.
This! The things they forgot about is gameplay (e.g., Cyberpank vs Starfield fight mechanics), world that lives instead of artificial decorations like in a museum, living characters instead of empty speaking dolls. Oh, and story that matters...
The “future” is Todd and Emil being replaced by Microsoft, since neither of them seem to know what they are doing Todd doesn’t play games anymore and Emil has been using the same character motivations for 20+ years.
If Microsoft replaces the staff it will be all DEI hires. More than likely they have no good original developers at this point anyways based on their last good game coming out 13 years ago.
Emil couldn't write a children's book if his life depended on it. Just because characters are non-stop yapping, it's not good. BSG doesn't get " show, don't tell". They just tell and tell and tell and everybody falls asleep
@IchbinX it's not even his genius. He's said you could write the great American novel and gamers would just turn it into a paper airplane. Pretty much people are stupid so I will give them what they want. It's not arrogance but pure disdain for the audience.
There was a time I wondered if I'd care about Beyond Skyrim if ES6 released first. Now I know Skyrim will be eternal and Beyond Skyrim will be a more hype release.
Starfield already feels like something released in 2015 or earlier so it’s roughly a decade behind right now. Es6 isn’t coming out til around 2030 so by then the next next gen of console will be on the horizon and the game might unfortunately still feel like it’s a decade behind its peers.
@@PlayerJay425which is fine, as long as the player knows WHY they're playing what they're playing. The perfect game doesn't exist, you are always compromising somewhere.
"People aren't connecting with Starfield" The game isn't doing anything new. It's exploration is hot garbage and playing it will put you to sleep. That's why people aren't "connecting."
The universe is also pretty boring, it doesn't have the tasty sauce Elder Scrolls and Fallout has. I don't see a mobile game spinoff of Starfield, the space game with no fun alien and robot characters (plural emphasis)
@@arclicht2930this is my take from the game also. Lore and universe isn't just that exciting.. But still passable game imo, sometimes i wanna eat bowl of bland apple sauce, so sometimes i might wanna play bland open world too.
I honestly think Emil’s ego is the biggest problem. He is a legitimately terrible writer and refuses to internalize any criticism, even well meaning, and improve
@@NightDocshe hired a nearly entirely female team to help him write. Gone are the DND nerds that wrote the original series and now it’s a bunch of social justice women.
Juice you are being INCREDIBLY optimistic.... BGS said they JUST started full production on ES6 last year. It takes them roughly 5-6 years to make their games. The EARLIEST we're gonna see ES6 is 2029-2030, which will be 18-19 years after Skyrim.... that's just insane to think about, especially since devs are already expecting fans to be disappointed in it. I gave up on BGS when Todd said he didn't think other studios needed to work on their IP's during his interview with Matty when their gaps are that big.
Imagine how us Fallout fans feel! We are going through what could be the Golden Era of the franchise thanks to the explosion of the Show and yet here we are having to wait on Bethesda until AFTER the release of TES VI for them to work on Fallout 5. I blame Todd and Emil for all of these after they got outshined by Obsidian with New Vegas they have been insecure about letting anyone else touch their IPs. The only possible saving grace for Fallout right now is if Microsoft finds someone else to make another Fallout New Vegas spin off instead of waiting on Bethesda.
@@skaetur1 I have a feeling as the industry continues to lose money, etc. on AAA scale, things will probably get reined at some point. Or else it dies.
It took them 7 years to build Starfield. That's 7 years to build a brand new IP from the ground up with a major new engine upgrade that greatly slowed development and to make matters worse there was a pandemic halfway through development. None of that will be an issue for TES VI. Plus they have all the funding and backing they could ever possibly need from Microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised if it released as early as 2027.
I'm honestly worried I will die before they get the next Fallout game out. Just wish ghosts were real so if it happens I could haunt Todd Howard for the rest of his life.
Agreed the community could've started modding/ fixing Bethesdas half finished creation I'd be happy instead 6 is still 3 years away by then all mods may come with a cost?
I don't want to be too optimistic ... buuuut, maybe, just maybe the failure of Starfield will prove to be good for ES6. Maybe they can learn and do better. Fingers crossed.
@@rainervogel4012 Don't be Optimistic. Bethesda is a company at the end of the day, and Starfield, despite not being the revolutionary game we wanted, still made money. So they don't have much incentive to change for ES6.
I found a new mod for Fallout 4 (Turning the game into a Desert) and I'm looking forward to Fallout Nuevo Mexico for Fallout New Vegas whenever it gets done. Not to mention the recently released Fallout London.
@@ImThaProdigalSonGaming The project was on hold for a while because the Lead of the project was going through some stuff but it's back in full production and just released a trailer so go look it up.
Last week I crossed 7K hours in Fallout 4. Add in the years of F3/NV/Oblivion/Skyrim and you could say I'm a fan... Or was. F76 showed the crack in the armor and Starfield sealed the deal. The teams, people and mindsets of those who made greatness are gone. Todd is beholden to corporate. It's over. It was great while it lasted.
Painfully true. The difference being that Cyberpunk 2077's main problems were technical. Starfield, on the other hand, was working largely as intended from day one, and the expansion was Bethesda doubling down on that.
Emil Pagliarulo is the architect of all our pain. It’s actually mind boggling how one morons decisions can make or break a product. Look at far harbor DLC, Emil had nothing to do with it and it was leagues above the base games story in terms of choice and player freedom à la new vegas. Far harbor didn’t have any essential characters and had far more speech check involving perks and special levels. Fallout 4 and starfield are essentially linear story games and not RPGs. Emil simply refuses to write a story that doesn’t require essential characters and bethesda games will continue to suffer because of it. He has a story he wants to tell and you WILL play HIS story.
What are you on about my guy? Base fallout 4 has like 5 essential NPCs total and none of them are even important faction leaders except for Preston (pretty sure most of them are just early story chracters that become less relevant like Nick and Piper). You can kill 99.5% of npcs in the game as soon as you meet them and the game accounts for it. Have you ever tried playing fallout 4 in an interesting way or are you just complaining about your personal experience with the game and ignoring holes in your arguement so your point sounds better?
I’ll put it this way: I’ve put more hours into Fallout London, a fan made mod, than I’ve put into Starfield. And it’ll probably be the same case for Fallout Neuvo Mexico and Fallout Miami. Why? Because the writing and role playing elements have been superior than anything BGS has done since -Fallout 4- Skyrim. More-so, we’ve seen the tone deaf and arrogant responses of Todd Howard and Emil Pagliarulo that insist, despite low critical ratings for both the main game and DLC, Starfield is their best accomplishment. They’re living in their own fantasy bubble. You can’t reason with that.
I am traditionally a big Bethesda mark, but they just seem out of ideas with Starfield. They recycled the idea of Dragonborn as "Starborn", even with the same powers system shoehorned into it, but instead of an interesting location or dungeon housing each one, it's the same boring minigame over, and over, and over, and over. Every location feels the same, it feels like there is nothing interesting to discover, even when you find a point-of-interest on a planet, its like... oh wow I found a diseased biosphere or something, what does that do? Nothing.
13 years we’ve anticipated the next elder scrolls game… at the end of the day, I know they are just “games” but for many of us Skyrim/oblivion/morrowind have been our own personal Narnia … a place to escape reality even if just for a moment.. it kinda hurts when you’ve looked forward to a NEW Narnia, full of new adventures, for so long.. and as you slowly approach the door to open the new world up, step by step you begin to realize it’s seemingly as lifeless as a wardrobe.. Guess it’s just our fault for being so excited for over a decade, as if we’re owed something.. who knows. Bethesda, I still have some hope left that you can bring this home for your true fans.. don’t go out like these other money hungry gaming companies … please, just this once, be the good guys.
That's kind of my worry. their push for these Microtransactions/Add-ons have only been getting worse and worse, but the game quality has only stayed the same or gotten worse. I just feel like Ubisoft and EA, greed is getting to their heads right now because they are not hitting the profit goals... and I worry it will get worse with ES6, and people are not going to be happy...
@@LucasMcQueen-g4z "they're just games" doesn't apply anymore. Anyone who says that is a total hypocrite. The best games are as compelling art and literature, sometimes more so. Anyone who wouldn't scoff at award shows for movies, galleries of art, performances of shakespeare - but would at games- is totally ignorant.
@@Sgt_Kane agreed, unfortunately we also live in a time where a large portion just can’t see it as anything other than “just a game” because all they know is that Nicki Minaj is in Call of Duty and you can twerk emote in Fortnite.
Apparently Bethesda's biggest concern is modders who upload FO 4 console mods with the words F!amer or Id!ot (Savant) in the mod name or mod description.
You know how Ubisoft is on life support? Bethesda is not far behind. If ES6 flops, it's gonna take a miracle for people to believe in them again. Really the future of Bethesda lies on ES6
Cool cool cool now you wouldn't tell any reason why you don't like it or why is it so bad or if you even play on it a negative comments and then to the next video with another negative comments
@@bhavyasharma4115and why should he? Its safe to assume he already expressed why he has that opinion . Besides that Bethesda aren't giving us a good reason to believe the future will be better, just look at emils response to the dlc.
@@shadowlegends721 the end outpost module unlock reward system was something they really did good i know so many things it does so good I don't get what trashing the game will get out of all this
I am one of those "dedicated fans" that paid for the early access release and already own the DLC, and no, I didn't reinstall and will probably never play Shattered Space. It's not worth the HDD space. I already know what Bethesda will deliver: Subpar chat GPT levels of dialogue and story, all milquetoast and boring, and static NPCs that stand around and wait for the player character to arrive so they can blurt out lame exposition and deliver you fetch quests
Todd Howard has a serious ego issue. It’s okay to not be the best. It’s okay not to get the most credit for projects. Let the creative passionate people do what they do best. Put emotions and effort back in games.
Shattered Space only fills me with dread for TES 6, but I will stay cautiously optimistic because what else can you do, you know? With that being said, NEVER preorder a Bethesda game, or any game for that matter. Can't be too careful with the amount of trash-fire "AAA" games or DLC being released these days.
Hold Bethesda to higher standards? Start being active, let these companies know that their current course isn't good enough. They have done better in the past, and at minimum they should be matching that, not delivering objectively worse. And yes, current Bethesda is objectively worse. Even adjusting for inflation, they ask for more and deliver less. Not a good strategy to be competing with your own backlog, and losing.
They say Atomic shop and updates don't impact development. If they added/Saved everything for the DLC atalest it would have some variety and features, and had been closer to it's asking price. I don't see how anyone will be hyped for another DLC if this is all we can expect from Bethesda.
I started fallout on fallout 4, have since gone back over the last 10 years and learned and played *everything* in this universe (including all 6 years so far of fallout 76) bar BOS and tactics - the latter of which I intend to play. I am so disappointed about how far Bethesda has fallen. I last played starfield over a year ago, and started skyrim just last week. My jaw dropped. I have little to no hope for any of their future games. Old bethesda was special, the bethesda we have now is sub-par at best.
A year ago and now are completely different starfield the performance is actually a lot better they have added so much free stuff with creations and if you love Skyrim let me tell you shattered space will give you a Skyrim map like vibe so much to do everywhere 😊
@@bhavyasharma4115they haven’t fixed the terrible plot, writing, mechanics, immersion, characters, the lack of player agency or freedom. It’s still a joke, shattered space is frankly an insult.
@@samuelfawell9159 plot wasn't terrible (no giant snake 😭🐍), and the side quests I am doing isn't letting me out of shattered space 🚀 i love how beautiful it is and the feud between brother is absolutely best writting everything I had thought how younger brother should be tried to fix everything was already tried by big brother revealed as you speak to him the writting is nice (pursuasion needs work though)
I personally love Starfield. I bought it, couldn’t play it because my graphics card isn’t good enough. But LOVE the aesthetic. I can really see the potential modders could do for the game. Soviet stylization of characters, Star Wars, you name it!
Microsoft are the owner of bethesda and they need to grow a backbone and tell bethesda to try better. They said they will constantly improve on this game and they have done very little of it. They can't rely on mod authors to do all the work.
They've been scared of doing ES6 for ages now because they knew they would have to deliver or else take a massive hit to their name and fanbase, but even if they released it 5 years ago and it was only okay, people would still have accepted it. Now, most people have completely lost faith in bethesda, and if ES6 is even slightly bad, the studio might as well close, because people will not be coming back to play their mediocre games for the studio name alone anymore. (From someone who has 3000+ hours in bethesda games and used to be blindly optimistic about their future titles)
@@btbarr16 yep, that and another garbage story from Emil. It'll bomb and their response will be "you guys expectations are just too high, we can't please you". Dated gameplay, dated graphics, dated storytelling, dated game engine and the same game and immersion breaking glitches that have been prevalent in their games for the last 30 years because of said dated game engine.
The point you made about Bethesda not even making an attempt to win people back reminds me a lot about how I felt about the base game. There were several situations or game systems where I found myself saying "didn't we solve this like 6 or 7 years ago?". Like it felt like Bethesda hadn't paid any attention to what the rest of the industry had done and had zero interest in building upon what others had already solved. Bethesda feels like a complete insulated silo.
It is a real shame that they screwed this game up so much at it's core. If they had made the space surrounding a couple of the major cities, handcrafted and filled with content. Basically, having multiple large maps with a ton of content with their own in depth stories. This could have been amazing. Also, instead of the 12 procedural generated dungeons, times that by 5 or more. Make it so you would hardly see the same place again. But sadly that's not what we got.
I enjoyed Starfield for what it was but it’s obvious to anyone that Bethesda has lost its way. Starfield has NONE of the magic that BGS titles had in the past. It feels soulless by comparison. I defended Starfield for a while and thought that it was actually pretty great until I went back and played Fallout 4 for the billionth time (which even then was treading in the wrong direction for the company) and it’s just like night and day. Starfield has no memorable companions or really even characters, the exploration is non existent, the quests are uninteresting, the loot is absolutely meaningless and boring. I don’t know what the future holds for BGS but unless it’s substantial course correction this company is in trouble.
Man, I'll play shattered space at some point as I bought the expanded game. But I'm enjoying Fallout London. Man, what a great game from Modders. There is work around for every glitch I've run into. Thank you, Reddit and Wikipedia. Everyone should download if you're on PC.
Old Bethesda games doing better than Starfield? Not surprising. Older games are better (generally). Wait till Bioware releases the new Dragon Age game. I'll do my part to make sure Dragon Age Origins has more players than Veilguard.
No one is going back to that game. It is slow and ugly. The same way there wont be a mass resurgence of Morrowind or Oblivion players. It was certainly very good but also extremely overrated. Kinda odd that you have already decided Veilguard is bad without even playing it.
bethesda is getting near ubisoft levels of hate with how they pretend to listen to the fans then do the complete oppisite i personallly havent bought shattered space just because im poor and 30$ is alot for just a few hrs of enjoyment and from what all my freinds and youtube tells me people arnt really happy with it which makes me sad i actually enjoyed the base game untill i seen how it ends (kinda felt like a F U to me...Hey u did all this and well now u can leave and do it again in a diffrent universe) felt like a cop out to a actual real ending meh i loved the pirate and UHC storylines the most
We really cared about your concerns, until you mentioned you're poor. Unfortunately Starfield, may just not be for you. We're hunting Whales! Best Regards, Bethesda PR Department
Starfield got good reviews because reviewers don't have time to play the game much outside of the main story, and the main story of Starfield is actually really good. I still think the game is worth playing for 40-80 hours for most people. It's not as re-playable as Skyrim or Oblivion.
I'm still playing Shattered Space, and I'm enjoying the new world to explore and the quests and stuff, Sympathy for The Living is a really solid questline. Over all though there's not a whole lot that's NEW AND WOW like past DLCs, it's just more Starfield. I don't think that's a BAD thing, but I do think that Bethesda is focusing far more on the world creation side of the game, and not as much the stories that take place INSIDE that world. Writing has always been their weak point, and I hope they improve on that while improving on other aspects of their games going forward.
There really should have been a Fallout 4 dlc. Something related to the tv show that came out like a weapon pack, outfit pack, or more settlement stuff would have done really well.
The issue with the gaming industry at the moment is that indie studios, are the only ones left who want to make games. For the rest of the industry, it's just about profit. Passion falls by the wayside to get products out as quickly as possible to keep development cost down. Sure devs working at big studios might be passionate about games, but much like VFX artist in TV/movies these days, it's hard to enjoy creating something when people come down from above with their deadlines and idiotic ideas. It's especially hard on devs and artists when their rushed products go out and bomb, because they can do better and they know that.
@@Argornash Me too. I used to love big developer games on console. But their quality dropped off hard in the late 2000's early 2010's. 2014 was the first time I got a laptop and discovered indie games. The only games i've put in more than 10 hours from big studios in the last year are cyberpunk(They really did bring it back from the dead) and baldhurs gate 3(masterpiece)
Todd needs to go. Emil needs to learn to write. Since neither of those things are likely to happen, not excited for ES6. Which is so sad, the IP is rich and the game could be amazing... if somebody else made it.
Emil wrote "The Great American Novel", it's not his fault gamers "Ripped out the pages and made them into Paper Airplanes" It's true, because Emil didn't just write those quotes, he spoke them. Okay, technically he said them as hypotheticals, but does that really change much regarding his attitude?
The sad part is the game is fixable with an overhaul it could be saved. The chances of it happening are about the same as a NV sequel. I wish I could hear BGS’ reasoning to Microsoft as to why the game capitulated and then got worse after content was added
man I can't bring myself to play Starfields DLC, put a few hours into it, and it's just painfully below mediocre. Really said BGS's turnout the last decade. (liked fallout 4 but wasn't a good RPG)
It's all about the mods. While Bethesda's story and gameplay choices continue to deteriorate, they also continue to deliver some of the the most mod-able gaming environments in gaming today. It was not the original games or their DLCs that keep such prolonged interest in FO3, 4, NV, or Skyrim. It's mods. In spite of Bethesda's attempts to monetize that aspect of their game worlds, with a PC and an internet connection you can find a mod that does almost anything you might desire in any one off those games I mentioned, and reams of instructional videos on how to make mods if what you're looking for isn't there. A year after release and only a few months after the Creation Kit, and there are already nearly 10K mods available for Starfield on Nexus. As with other BGS titles, in time modders will figure out how to do almost anything, and many of those mods will be (or are now) available cross-platform on Bethesda's Creations platform for X-box and PC. And every year Bethesda will deliver some mid DLC, and players will come back, and find all this new stuff modders have done. Then maybe in six or so years comes the Special Edition, with all the DLC, a bunch of mods-now-part-of-the-base-game, dozens of bugs people have been complaining about for years suddenly fixed . . . . And a whole world of mods from Creations or Nexus to go with it all. Just like with FO4, FONV, Skyrim, FO3, Oblivion . . . etc.
The difference between cdpr and bethesda is cdpr is listening to the fans they are eager to revive the game and add the features that are missing when the game is release compare to bethesda they rely on modders to fix the game they don't even add the missing features and sometimes in the newest updates they will f***ked up your game
Starfield is barren. It's full of empty areas and boring landscapes that you are forced to slog through while dealing with all the issues of the Creation Engine that have yet to be fixed and excessive loading screens. Cyberpunk is vivid. It's chock full of awesome sidequests, random activity, has almost no empty areas, and few loading screens while nearly every problem with the RED Engine has been fixed. Which of those sounds like more fun?
That's ok, I am still enjoying making mods for Starfield. I really like playing with CK and the engine allows a lot of tweaking. Many of the weird elements of Starfield are slowly but surely being replaced or overhauled with cool mods.
If your gonna force me to wait 13 years between releases of my preferred franchise your stupid sci-fi game needs to be perfect. It wasn’t. Simple as. Todd states he doesn’t see an issue leaving huge gaps between games, well here it is.
Starfield was the first game I ever paid 100 dollars for. Something about the cost relative to the quality of the game and the hype for it just completely broke the spell of video games in general for me. I’m so much more skeptical around video game purchases now. I used to view them as adventures but now I treat them like products and don’t play anything until it’s released and had time to be patched.
I tried to get into the game. I gave it 30 hours, and i honestly couldn't keep playing. I didn't feel that special feeling I've gotten with previous games. Sucks but i hope future games can bring that feeling back
Outside of certain story and event arcs the writing in Starfield is so contrived and poorly executed it detracts from the good points of game mechanics and the limited good character interactions that do exist. I wanted it to succeed. I want to like it. I wanted it to launch into the cosmos as a scifi masterpiece of universal story telling and interaction. I am disappointed. That is my opinion.
I'm perfectly fine and even supportive of paid mods, however I think that paid mods should be worth their price. I see too many mods for $5-10 that are so small that they might as well be free. I was saying with Skyrim paid mods that their price should match that of the DLC. A $5 mod should have as much content as Hearthfire or more. A $20 mod would have as much as at least Dawnguard. However, I think Bethesda needs to redo their price share and give way more to the developers of these mods. That $5 to $20 for Skyrim DLC had Bethesda taking all of the profit, where as with these mods, I've heard that they're only getting a 25% share which is far below the industry standard of 70%. So until then, we'll be seeing mods that are 45% to 75% (depending on how you look at it) less valuable than they are sold for (assuming that effort is maximized for what they are paid).
After almost 10 years of paid mods, what of it is actually good? I can only think of one: Bard College expansion. Almost everything else is extremely basic, shallow and far worse than you can find for free on nexus.
My biggest problem with starfield is still gear progression the whole refined advanced thing makes starting a new file suck cause I know I'm gonna end up tossing 99% of the gear I get rather quickly
The only way for Bethesda to save itself from a Ubisoft style implosion is to downscale all their projects significantly. Their engine obviously can't handle half of what they want to make, and their employees are stuck choosing between quality or quantity because of it.
I was playing on Game Pass I stopped for various reasons one single player games destroy my sleep schedule. I personally enjoy playing Call of Duty more. Game Pass is another subscription that I'm paying on top of all the others. I didn't come back for shattered space because I personally don't feel like paying $30 especially since I just be playing with a Game Pass subscription it should have been free with Game Pass. I'm not going to buy the game until there's a version that has all the DLC bundled with it and there are more cool mods made for the game.
Ok, guys, we heard your criticism and complaints loud and clear with starfield. And that's why we are pleased to announce Skyrim on the starfield in-game watch for only... $60. Tod Howard probably.
Same thing that's happened to other 'beloved' studios - the people who made their best games are no longer there, current teams are living in the shadows of giants, and they're developing by ticking boxes.
I've always appreciated your takes on things Juice. Honestly I never thought Starfield was a good choice for bethesdas wheelhouse from the first trailer. Personally have enjoyed the last few years of 76 and I think Bethesda just needs to dial it back a bit if they want to deliver in the future
Starfield is cool but not cool enough to keep the Fallout and Elder Scrolls franchises on the sidelines. It’s ridiculous that Skyrim was released 13 years ago and we still have to wait until the next generation consoles for the next one. Give the IPs to someone else who will make the games we want.
This is really simple Phantom Liberty was an excellent addition to the game not only had new area, side missions and activities but it elevated the whole base game even more. Shattered space sadly did not I completed the main quest around 11-12 hours and it was more of the same bethesda formula. Even if you provide valid points the game is lacking BGS doesnt even take them seriously.
I don't know why you guys are all hating on shattered space, it expanded on the lore, gave a 10 hour mini campain that has replay value because your choices kinda matter. It was never going to change the game. With games costing around 70$ now 30$ for a DLC isn't that wild. I had often a worse time paying way more.
I think the fate of Elder Scrolls 6 lies in whether Starfield's failer was caused by a failed game design experiment or caused by the draining talent of people working for BGS. It's probably a little of both, but I'm hoping that Starfield was just more of a failed experiment than indicative of the decline of BGS. The last game that BGS (the main studio) made before Starfield was Fallout 4 (not Fallout 76, which was a different time almost entirely, plus Todd Howard overseeing it). Fallout 4 had it's own disappointments, but I feel like they learned from that with Starfield. It's just that they messed up in all brand new ways with Starfield. Elder Scrolls 6 could be a return to the formula they know works and works well with their engine.
A failed experiment would be if they kept the "Bethesda magic" but in space. A failed experiment brandish a cult following that says, "Yeah, space doesn't work for their type of games, but I can still find a little fun. They tried!" This is a failure on their whole design team. No effort, no love, and definitely leaning on the goodwill of their fans (what is left at least). This game is devoid of life. Just like the space the ships fly in, there is no atmosphere. Starfield is more equivalent to a black hole at this point. I have no faith in ES6, and it is a CRIME that they are doing nothing with the Fallout IP right now.
Bugthesdas goal is to release a bare minimum game and have the community fill the game with content. Starfield is the prime example of this. I will never support this business model and wish they go bankrupt and leave room for creative and not greedy or lazy developers to take there place...
I feel like they are sacrificing great storytelling and creative world building for micro transactions and visual spectacles. It’s not a good trade off.
Bethesda fans have been waiting 13 years and counting since Skyrim came out. We all figured about 5-7 years after Skyrim's release that we'd have TES6 around the corner. That feeling of neglect from Bethesda as they focused on Fallout 76 with it's monitization, Elder Scrolls Online that isn't an actual Elder Scrolls game, and the focus on pushing paid mods on yet another re-re-release of Skyrim primed their fanbase to be upset with them. They give us Starfield with some of the most shallow, empty, and pointless exploration I've ever seen in a video game and they wonder why fans are not interested. I've been a fan of Bethesda since I played TES3: Morrowind on the original Xbox. I remember sitting at my computer and seeing Oblivion's count down on their web page. Waiting impatiently for the timer to end and see what was to be revealed. I remember recycling scrap copper to get enough money to buy an Xbox 360 just for TES4: Oblivion. I remember being so excited for every DLC that came out for Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Fallout 4. I'd be waiting in line at midnight launches or sitting at my computer waiting for the content to be unlocked so I could play it. Starfield came out and something felt off. I hesitated, but ended up buying it on launch. When Shattered Space came out, I didn't know. Even after I found out, I had no interest in playing it. I only picked it up because I figured "They douped me into buying the deluxe edition for the season pass, so I might as well get this crossed off my list of things to do. I've never felt that way about a major Bethesda title before. I'm tired of Bethesda chasing after the money and not the art. Going after easy income from paid mods instead of delivering what their most loyal fans have been begging them to make for 13 years now. They know we want it. They had to let us know when announcing Fallout 76 because every suspected leak was followed by "Is it TES6?" I want to hold onto hope that when TES6 comes out, it will feel like the Bethesda I grew up with as a kid. A return to the franchise I've grown to enjoy the most. But I fear the talent that made Bethesda so great in years past has already left the company.
my problem with Bethesda is I think they gotten quite a bloated ego. I think what they are making is the best thing since slice bread and are out of touch what a portion of their fans want. Like to hope that the negative feedback from reviews can help them realize that, but I doubt it.
I’m one of the many people that bought the premium edition… i loved the first 20ish hours of base gams starfield, but by the end i couldnt finish the game fast enough and never bothered doing the unity. Couldnt get interested enough to play shattered space either. I still play fallout 4 and skyrim…
The fact the "good" part is meh yearly exspansions and paid mods does not make it sound good going forward lol, i'd rather they take the feedback on Starfield and make a great game.
I’m in that camp that played early access and had fun for awhile, but the game quickly got old, and I cannot get myself to care enough to go back to it to play shattered space
You are being too nice when your own data says otherwise... is all doom and gloom, there is no way around That being said, there is hope, some company in the future will do great things, just not them in the current state, nor the current year companies... lots of things need to change, and that will only happen after a collapse, we are heading to a new video game crash
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Bethesda's biggest "haters" used to be Bethesda's biggest fans.
I'm one of them. And the state of the company makes me angry/sad.
Same here
agree i am one of them
I had a glmpse of hope for TES6, now i have absolutely none
same brother.... i cant believe elder scrolls 6 is going to be trash.
Same here, im even making mods for this shi
It’s pretty easy to see what the plan was here. They wanted to release a game they could sell paid mods, paid quest for $10 and single city(plant) size DLC’s for $30 bucks a pop. They can start extracting money on a per mission per world basis, basically pay to play on the next interesting planet.
This! The things they forgot about is gameplay (e.g., Cyberpank vs Starfield fight mechanics), world that lives instead of artificial decorations like in a museum, living characters instead of empty speaking dolls. Oh, and story that matters...
The “future” is Todd and Emil being replaced by Microsoft, since neither of them seem to know what they are doing Todd doesn’t play games anymore and Emil has been using the same character motivations for 20+ years.
If Microsoft replaces the staff it will be all DEI hires. More than likely they have no good original developers at this point anyways based on their last good game coming out 13 years ago.
@salikali2 well the white guys aren't doing any better on their own
Emil: "The Players are stupid, and don't appreciate my genius. So why try?"
followed by
Todd: "I just want to go home and sleep."
Emil couldn't write a children's book if his life depended on it. Just because characters are non-stop yapping, it's not good. BSG doesn't get " show, don't tell". They just tell and tell and tell and everybody falls asleep
@IchbinX it's not even his genius. He's said you could write the great American novel and gamers would just turn it into a paper airplane.
Pretty much people are stupid so I will give them what they want.
It's not arrogance but pure disdain for the audience.
There was a time I wondered if I'd care about Beyond Skyrim if ES6 released first.
Now I know Skyrim will be eternal and Beyond Skyrim will be a more hype release.
Put it this way. I don’t have a lot of hope for ES6.
It will be dated on release, with even less features
Starfield already feels like something released in 2015 or earlier so it’s roughly a decade behind right now. Es6 isn’t coming out til around 2030 so by then the next next gen of console will be on the horizon and the game might unfortunately still feel like it’s a decade behind its peers.
@@PlayerJay425which is fine, as long as the player knows WHY they're playing what they're playing.
The perfect game doesn't exist, you are always compromising somewhere.
"People aren't connecting with Starfield"
The game isn't doing anything new. It's exploration is hot garbage and playing it will put you to sleep.
That's why people aren't "connecting."
The universe is also pretty boring, it doesn't have the tasty sauce Elder Scrolls and Fallout has. I don't see a mobile game spinoff of Starfield, the space game with no fun alien and robot characters (plural emphasis)
yup.
lore and story is terrible. dialogue is amateurish and safe to the point of bubble wrap
@@heroicgangster9981 exactly the universe isnt intresting like skyrim and fallout and that is i think what drives players away
@@arclicht2930this is my take from the game also. Lore and universe isn't just that exciting.. But still passable game imo, sometimes i wanna eat bowl of bland apple sauce, so sometimes i might wanna play bland open world too.
@@arclicht2930actually for a lot of us who like sci fi it's a breath of fresh air to have such a grounded setting.
Tod's ego and Emil's writing are killing Bethesda.
I honestly think Emil’s ego is the biggest problem. He is a legitimately terrible writer and refuses to internalize any criticism, even well meaning, and improve
Not killing. Killed. Past tense. It's already happened. They're over.
Did you know Emil’s writing team is 16 people of which 15 are recently hired women. It’s hopeless.
Both their egos are a problem. "It just works" is a meme that constantly haunts Bethesda releases and that was born from Todd's.
@@NightDocshe hired a nearly entirely female team to help him write. Gone are the DND nerds that wrote the original series and now it’s a bunch of social justice women.
Juice you are being INCREDIBLY optimistic.... BGS said they JUST started full production on ES6 last year. It takes them roughly 5-6 years to make their games. The EARLIEST we're gonna see ES6 is 2029-2030, which will be 18-19 years after Skyrim.... that's just insane to think about, especially since devs are already expecting fans to be disappointed in it. I gave up on BGS when Todd said he didn't think other studios needed to work on their IP's during his interview with Matty when their gaps are that big.
Game dev is like 8 years for it to qualify as AAAA
Imagine how us Fallout fans feel! We are going through what could be the Golden Era of the franchise thanks to the explosion of the Show and yet here we are having to wait on Bethesda until AFTER the release of TES VI for them to work on Fallout 5.
I blame Todd and Emil for all of these after they got outshined by Obsidian with New Vegas they have been insecure about letting anyone else touch their IPs.
The only possible saving grace for Fallout right now is if Microsoft finds someone else to make another Fallout New Vegas spin off instead of waiting on Bethesda.
@@skaetur1 I have a feeling as the industry continues to lose money, etc. on AAA scale, things will probably get reined at some point. Or else it dies.
It took them 7 years to build Starfield. That's 7 years to build a brand new IP from the ground up with a major new engine upgrade that greatly slowed development and to make matters worse there was a pandemic halfway through development. None of that will be an issue for TES VI. Plus they have all the funding and backing they could ever possibly need from Microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised if it released as early as 2027.
@@socialenigma4476 It did take 4 years to get F4 after Skyrim though, you numpty. So yes, it will take a while
I'm honestly worried I will die before they get the next Fallout game out. Just wish ghosts were real so if it happens I could haunt Todd Howard for the rest of his life.
and as a ghost you can watch someone play fallout 5! or just play it yourself late at night while the living are asleep.
Bethesda needs to take this loss and learn from it. Simple as that.
it hasn't worked so far.
“No, We won’t learn from this further failure.”
-Email Pagliarulo, Apocryphal (probably)
This has been said after 76, starfield, and now shattered space lol
They keep saying they have, yet their results haven't proven that.
Not under todd Howard leadership it won't i love todd but its time for him to step down.
We could've had Elder Scrolls VI by now. But no, instead we get this.
Agreed the community could've started modding/ fixing Bethesdas half finished creation I'd be happy instead 6 is still 3 years away by then all mods may come with a cost?
Imagine the alternate universe where instead of Skyrim Special Edition & Fallout 76, we got Elder Scrolls 6 released in 2018.
I don't want to be too optimistic ... buuuut, maybe, just maybe the failure of Starfield will prove to be good for ES6. Maybe they can learn and do better. Fingers crossed.
@@rainervogel4012 Don't be Optimistic. Bethesda is a company at the end of the day, and Starfield, despite not being the revolutionary game we wanted, still made money. So they don't have much incentive to change for ES6.
Everyone: Starfield has a new DLC
Me: found a new mod for Skyrim to download
Me too
I found a new mod for Fallout 4 (Turning the game into a Desert) and I'm looking forward to Fallout Nuevo Mexico for Fallout New Vegas whenever it gets done.
Not to mention the recently released Fallout London.
@Xion_Stellar Fallout New Mexico, what the heck is this? I actually live in New Mexico so that would be lit for a game taking place here!
@@ImThaProdigalSonGaming The project was on hold for a while because the Lead of the project was going through some stuff but it's back in full production and just released a trailer so go look it up.
Actually me. :P
Last week I crossed 7K hours in Fallout 4. Add in the years of F3/NV/Oblivion/Skyrim and you could say I'm a fan...
Or was. F76 showed the crack in the armor and Starfield sealed the deal. The teams, people and mindsets of those who made greatness are gone. Todd is beholden to corporate.
It's over. It was great while it lasted.
Someone should take the fallout ip and make it 4D
this. bethesda in name and memory only. the bethesda that we all watch content on has been gone. for Y E A R S
Shattered space sucked absolutely no consequences for your actions no matter what you choose there is NO CONSEQUENCES
Never forget that one guy who swore that Starfield would have a cyberpunk like comeback.
Painfully true. The difference being that Cyberpunk 2077's main problems were technical. Starfield, on the other hand, was working largely as intended from day one, and the expansion was Bethesda doubling down on that.
Emil Pagliarulo is the architect of all our pain. It’s actually mind boggling how one morons decisions can make or break a product. Look at far harbor DLC, Emil had nothing to do with it and it was leagues above the base games story in terms of choice and player freedom à la new vegas. Far harbor didn’t have any essential characters and had far more speech check involving perks and special levels. Fallout 4 and starfield are essentially linear story games and not RPGs. Emil simply refuses to write a story that doesn’t require essential characters and bethesda games will continue to suffer because of it. He has a story he wants to tell and you WILL play HIS story.
What are you on about my guy? Base fallout 4 has like 5 essential NPCs total and none of them are even important faction leaders except for Preston (pretty sure most of them are just early story chracters that become less relevant like Nick and Piper). You can kill 99.5% of npcs in the game as soon as you meet them and the game accounts for it. Have you ever tried playing fallout 4 in an interesting way or are you just complaining about your personal experience with the game and ignoring holes in your arguement so your point sounds better?
Bethesda is a company where level designers write the story and writers design the gameworld
and its project lead sleeps on a tower of power jackets
I’ll put it this way: I’ve put more hours into Fallout London, a fan made mod, than I’ve put into Starfield. And it’ll probably be the same case for Fallout Neuvo Mexico and Fallout Miami.
Why? Because the writing and role playing elements have been superior than anything BGS has done since -Fallout 4- Skyrim.
More-so, we’ve seen the tone deaf and arrogant responses of Todd Howard and Emil Pagliarulo that insist, despite low critical ratings for both the main game and DLC, Starfield is their best accomplishment. They’re living in their own fantasy bubble. You can’t reason with that.
I am traditionally a big Bethesda mark, but they just seem out of ideas with Starfield. They recycled the idea of Dragonborn as "Starborn", even with the same powers system shoehorned into it, but instead of an interesting location or dungeon housing each one, it's the same boring minigame over, and over, and over, and over. Every location feels the same, it feels like there is nothing interesting to discover, even when you find a point-of-interest on a planet, its like... oh wow I found a diseased biosphere or something, what does that do? Nothing.
13 years we’ve anticipated the next elder scrolls game… at the end of the day, I know they are just “games” but for many of us Skyrim/oblivion/morrowind have been our own personal Narnia … a place to escape reality even if just for a moment.. it kinda hurts when you’ve looked forward to a NEW Narnia, full of new adventures, for so long.. and as you slowly approach the door to open the new world up, step by step you begin to realize it’s seemingly as lifeless as a wardrobe..
Guess it’s just our fault for being so excited for over a decade, as if we’re owed something.. who knows.
Bethesda, I still have some hope left that you can bring this home for your true fans.. don’t go out like these other money hungry gaming companies … please, just this once, be the good guys.
That's kind of my worry. their push for these Microtransactions/Add-ons have only been getting worse and worse, but the game quality has only stayed the same or gotten worse. I just feel like Ubisoft and EA, greed is getting to their heads right now because they are not hitting the profit goals... and I worry it will get worse with ES6, and people are not going to be happy...
@@LucasMcQueen-g4z "they're just games" doesn't apply anymore. Anyone who says that is a total hypocrite. The best games are as compelling art and literature, sometimes more so.
Anyone who wouldn't scoff at award shows for movies, galleries of art, performances of shakespeare - but would at games- is totally ignorant.
@@Sgt_Kane agreed, unfortunately we also live in a time where a large portion just can’t see it as anything other than “just a game” because all they know is that Nicki Minaj is in Call of Duty and you can twerk emote in Fortnite.
Apparently Bethesda's biggest concern is modders who upload FO 4 console mods with the words F!amer or Id!ot (Savant) in the mod name or mod description.
morrowind have been our own personal Narnia
Beautifully said. And absolutely true
I'm just waiting for ES6 to feature top surgery scars for your character.
Console makers need to understand that if game developers aren't releasing good games, then people arent going to buy new consoles.
You know how Ubisoft is on life support? Bethesda is not far behind. If ES6 flops, it's gonna take a miracle for people to believe in them again. Really the future of Bethesda lies on ES6
its already over. people care in name only. most of us know they're gone
At this point fans might as well make ES6. Did a pretty good job with Fallout London.
They don't have one
Cool cool cool now you wouldn't tell any reason why you don't like it or why is it so bad or if you even play on it a negative comments and then to the next video with another negative comments
@bhavyasharma4115 calm down Todd won't suck you off for this one
@@bhavyasharma4115and why should he? Its safe to assume he already expressed why he has that opinion . Besides that Bethesda aren't giving us a good reason to believe the future will be better, just look at emils response to the dlc.
@@shadowlegends721 the end outpost module unlock reward system was something they really did good i know so many things it does so good I don't get what trashing the game will get out of all this
They released two bad games, they still have plenty of time to improve
Let’s face it, guys: Bethesda has jumped the shark.
Jumped the dragon
I am one of those "dedicated fans" that paid for the early access release and already own the DLC, and no, I didn't reinstall and will probably never play Shattered Space. It's not worth the HDD space.
I already know what Bethesda will deliver: Subpar chat GPT levels of dialogue and story, all milquetoast and boring, and static NPCs that stand around and wait for the player character to arrive so they can blurt out lame exposition and deliver you fetch quests
💯
Paying for very mid paid mods just to get very mid DLC was not my idea of "long term support"
Todd Howard has a serious ego issue. It’s okay to not be the best. It’s okay not to get the most credit for projects. Let the creative passionate people do what they do best. Put emotions and effort back in games.
Love Fallout, But disappointed with Starfield. Anxious for Elder Scrolls 6 😬
Shattered Space only fills me with dread for TES 6, but I will stay cautiously optimistic because what else can you do, you know? With that being said, NEVER preorder a Bethesda game, or any game for that matter. Can't be too careful with the amount of trash-fire "AAA" games or DLC being released these days.
Hold Bethesda to higher standards? Start being active, let these companies know that their current course isn't good enough. They have done better in the past, and at minimum they should be matching that, not delivering objectively worse. And yes, current Bethesda is objectively worse. Even adjusting for inflation, they ask for more and deliver less. Not a good strategy to be competing with your own backlog, and losing.
They say Atomic shop and updates don't impact development.
If they added/Saved everything for the DLC atalest it would have some variety and features, and had been closer to it's asking price.
I don't see how anyone will be hyped for another DLC if this is all we can expect from Bethesda.
I started fallout on fallout 4, have since gone back over the last 10 years and learned and played *everything* in this universe (including all 6 years so far of fallout 76) bar BOS and tactics - the latter of which I intend to play.
I am so disappointed about how far Bethesda has fallen. I last played starfield over a year ago, and started skyrim just last week. My jaw dropped.
I have little to no hope for any of their future games. Old bethesda was special, the bethesda we have now is sub-par at best.
You need to play Fallout London. It helps with the withdraw.
A year ago and now are completely different starfield the performance is actually a lot better they have added so much free stuff with creations and if you love Skyrim let me tell you shattered space will give you a Skyrim map like vibe so much to do everywhere 😊
@@bhavyasharma4115they haven’t fixed the terrible plot, writing, mechanics, immersion, characters, the lack of player agency or freedom.
It’s still a joke, shattered space is frankly an insult.
@@samuelfawell9159 plot wasn't terrible (no giant snake 😭🐍), and the side quests I am doing isn't letting me out of shattered space 🚀 i love how beautiful it is and the feud between brother is absolutely best writting everything I had thought how younger brother should be tried to fix everything was already tried by big brother revealed as you speak to him the writting is nice (pursuasion needs work though)
diversity. not merit or ability.
dei and feelings killed everything. and i mean everything
I personally love Starfield. I bought it, couldn’t play it because my graphics card isn’t good enough. But LOVE the aesthetic. I can really see the potential modders could do for the game. Soviet stylization of characters, Star Wars, you name it!
Gross
Obsidian we need you rn 😓
Microsoft are the owner of bethesda and they need to grow a backbone and tell bethesda to try better. They said they will constantly improve on this game and they have done very little of it. They can't rely on mod authors to do all the work.
We Gotta Talk About the Future of Bethesda... - or lack thereof. ES6 or Skyrim 2 will really be sink or swim for em'.
ES6 will be Skyrim with HD textures. A lot of people would have been happy with that in 2015, but in 2027, it's going to disappoint.
They've been scared of doing ES6 for ages now because they knew they would have to deliver or else take a massive hit to their name and fanbase, but even if they released it 5 years ago and it was only okay, people would still have accepted it. Now, most people have completely lost faith in bethesda, and if ES6 is even slightly bad, the studio might as well close, because people will not be coming back to play their mediocre games for the studio name alone anymore. (From someone who has 3000+ hours in bethesda games and used to be blindly optimistic about their future titles)
@@btbarr16 yep, that and another garbage story from Emil. It'll bomb and their response will be "you guys expectations are just too high, we can't please you". Dated gameplay, dated graphics, dated storytelling, dated game engine and the same game and immersion breaking glitches that have been prevalent in their games for the last 30 years because of said dated game engine.
Only five more years this game will be worth it, only five more years.
The point you made about Bethesda not even making an attempt to win people back reminds me a lot about how I felt about the base game. There were several situations or game systems where I found myself saying "didn't we solve this like 6 or 7 years ago?". Like it felt like Bethesda hadn't paid any attention to what the rest of the industry had done and had zero interest in building upon what others had already solved. Bethesda feels like a complete insulated silo.
It is a real shame that they screwed this game up so much at it's core. If they had made the space surrounding a couple of the major cities, handcrafted and filled with content. Basically, having multiple large maps with a ton of content with their own in depth stories. This could have been amazing. Also, instead of the 12 procedural generated dungeons, times that by 5 or more. Make it so you would hardly see the same place again. But sadly that's not what we got.
it all starts with lore. a history with stakes, and a past we want to care about.
emil is bad at his job
I enjoyed Starfield for what it was but it’s obvious to anyone that Bethesda has lost its way. Starfield has NONE of the magic that BGS titles had in the past. It feels soulless by comparison.
I defended Starfield for a while and thought that it was actually pretty great until I went back and played Fallout 4 for the billionth time (which even then was treading in the wrong direction for the company) and it’s just like night and day. Starfield has no memorable companions or really even characters, the exploration is non existent, the quests are uninteresting, the loot is absolutely meaningless and boring.
I don’t know what the future holds for BGS but unless it’s substantial course correction this company is in trouble.
Man, I'll play shattered space at some point as I bought the expanded game. But I'm enjoying Fallout London. Man, what a great game from Modders. There is work around for every glitch I've run into. Thank you, Reddit and Wikipedia. Everyone should download if you're on PC.
What about those on console? How are they gonna mod Fellout 4?
Old Bethesda games doing better than Starfield? Not surprising. Older games are better (generally). Wait till Bioware releases the new Dragon Age game. I'll do my part to make sure Dragon Age Origins has more players than Veilguard.
No one is going back to that game. It is slow and ugly. The same way there wont be a mass resurgence of Morrowind or Oblivion players. It was certainly very good but also extremely overrated. Kinda odd that you have already decided Veilguard is bad without even playing it.
It just doesn’t work!
😂😂 spot on!
bethesda is getting near ubisoft levels of hate with how they pretend to listen to the fans then do the complete oppisite i personallly havent bought shattered space just because im poor and 30$ is alot for just a few hrs of enjoyment and from what all my freinds and youtube tells me people arnt really happy with it which makes me sad i actually enjoyed the base game untill i seen how it ends (kinda felt like a F U to me...Hey u did all this and well now u can leave and do it again in a diffrent universe) felt like a cop out to a actual real ending meh i loved the pirate and UHC storylines the most
We really cared about your concerns, until you mentioned you're poor. Unfortunately Starfield, may just not be for you. We're hunting Whales!
Best Regards,
Bethesda PR Department
Starfield got good reviews because reviewers don't have time to play the game much outside of the main story, and the main story of Starfield is actually really good. I still think the game is worth playing for 40-80 hours for most people. It's not as re-playable as Skyrim or Oblivion.
I'm still playing Shattered Space, and I'm enjoying the new world to explore and the quests and stuff, Sympathy for The Living is a really solid questline. Over all though there's not a whole lot that's NEW AND WOW like past DLCs, it's just more Starfield. I don't think that's a BAD thing, but I do think that Bethesda is focusing far more on the world creation side of the game, and not as much the stories that take place INSIDE that world.
Writing has always been their weak point, and I hope they improve on that while improving on other aspects of their games going forward.
bethesda's future should be what happened to tango studios
minus being saved by another company, just the shutdown part
There really should have been a Fallout 4 dlc. Something related to the tv show that came out like a weapon pack, outfit pack, or more settlement stuff would have done really well.
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The issue with the gaming industry at the moment is that indie studios, are the only ones left who want to make games. For the rest of the industry, it's just about profit. Passion falls by the wayside to get products out as quickly as possible to keep development cost down. Sure devs working at big studios might be passionate about games, but much like VFX artist in TV/movies these days, it's hard to enjoy creating something when people come down from above with their deadlines and idiotic ideas. It's especially hard on devs and artists when their rushed products go out and bomb, because they can do better and they know that.
I only play indie games or the rare exception to that rule these days for that reason. Especially since there are so many good indie games.
This. 100%
@@Argornash Me too. I used to love big developer games on console. But their quality dropped off hard in the late 2000's early 2010's. 2014 was the first time I got a laptop and discovered indie games. The only games i've put in more than 10 hours from big studios in the last year are cyberpunk(They really did bring it back from the dead) and baldhurs gate 3(masterpiece)
Todd needs to go. Emil needs to learn to write. Since neither of those things are likely to happen, not excited for ES6.
Which is so sad, the IP is rich and the game could be amazing... if somebody else made it.
Emil wrote "The Great American Novel", it's not his fault gamers "Ripped out the pages and made them into Paper Airplanes"
It's true, because Emil didn't just write those quotes, he spoke them.
Okay, technically he said them as hypotheticals, but does that really change much regarding his attitude?
The sad part is the game is fixable with an overhaul it could be saved. The chances of it happening are about the same as a NV sequel. I wish I could hear BGS’ reasoning to Microsoft as to why the game capitulated and then got worse after content was added
man I can't bring myself to play Starfields DLC,
put a few hours into it,
and it's just painfully below mediocre.
Really said BGS's turnout the last decade. (liked fallout 4 but wasn't a good RPG)
It's all about the mods. While Bethesda's story and gameplay choices continue to deteriorate, they also continue to deliver some of the the most mod-able gaming environments in gaming today. It was not the original games or their DLCs that keep such prolonged interest in FO3, 4, NV, or Skyrim. It's mods. In spite of Bethesda's attempts to monetize that aspect of their game worlds, with a PC and an internet connection you can find a mod that does almost anything you might desire in any one off those games I mentioned, and reams of instructional videos on how to make mods if what you're looking for isn't there.
A year after release and only a few months after the Creation Kit, and there are already nearly 10K mods available for Starfield on Nexus. As with other BGS titles, in time modders will figure out how to do almost anything, and many of those mods will be (or are now) available cross-platform on Bethesda's Creations platform for X-box and PC. And every year Bethesda will deliver some mid DLC, and players will come back, and find all this new stuff modders have done. Then maybe in six or so years comes the Special Edition, with all the DLC, a bunch of mods-now-part-of-the-base-game, dozens of bugs people have been complaining about for years suddenly fixed . . . . And a whole world of mods from Creations or Nexus to go with it all. Just like with FO4, FONV, Skyrim, FO3, Oblivion . . . etc.
The difference between cdpr and bethesda is cdpr is listening to the fans they are eager to revive the game and add the features that are missing when the game is release compare to bethesda they rely on modders to fix the game they don't even add the missing features and sometimes in the newest updates they will f***ked up your game
Starfield is barren. It's full of empty areas and boring landscapes that you are forced to slog through while dealing with all the issues of the Creation Engine that have yet to be fixed and excessive loading screens.
Cyberpunk is vivid. It's chock full of awesome sidequests, random activity, has almost no empty areas, and few loading screens while nearly every problem with the RED Engine has been fixed.
Which of those sounds like more fun?
only 10% of ppl (MAX) who got the DLC free bothered to play.
That's ok, I am still enjoying making mods for Starfield. I really like playing with CK and the engine allows a lot of tweaking. Many of the weird elements of Starfield are slowly but surely being replaced or overhauled with cool mods.
If your gonna force me to wait 13 years between releases of my preferred franchise your stupid sci-fi game needs to be perfect. It wasn’t. Simple as. Todd states he doesn’t see an issue leaving huge gaps between games, well here it is.
Starfield was the first game I ever paid 100 dollars for. Something about the cost relative to the quality of the game and the hype for it just completely broke the spell of video games in general for me. I’m so much more skeptical around video game purchases now. I used to view them as adventures but now I treat them like products and don’t play anything until it’s released and had time to be patched.
I say f@ck it I'm gonna play the games I want even if no one else wants them.
I tried to get into the game. I gave it 30 hours, and i honestly couldn't keep playing. I didn't feel that special feeling I've gotten with previous games. Sucks but i hope future games can bring that feeling back
Outside of certain story and event arcs the writing in Starfield is so contrived and poorly executed it detracts from the good points of game mechanics and the limited good character interactions that do exist. I wanted it to succeed. I want to like it. I wanted it to launch into the cosmos as a scifi masterpiece of universal story telling and interaction. I am disappointed. That is my opinion.
True, I want to see them do better.
Thought it would be impossible for Bethesda to release a game worse than FO:76, color me surprised.
I'm perfectly fine and even supportive of paid mods, however I think that paid mods should be worth their price. I see too many mods for $5-10 that are so small that they might as well be free. I was saying with Skyrim paid mods that their price should match that of the DLC. A $5 mod should have as much content as Hearthfire or more. A $20 mod would have as much as at least Dawnguard.
However, I think Bethesda needs to redo their price share and give way more to the developers of these mods. That $5 to $20 for Skyrim DLC had Bethesda taking all of the profit, where as with these mods, I've heard that they're only getting a 25% share which is far below the industry standard of 70%. So until then, we'll be seeing mods that are 45% to 75% (depending on how you look at it) less valuable than they are sold for (assuming that effort is maximized for what they are paid).
After almost 10 years of paid mods, what of it is actually good? I can only think of one: Bard College expansion. Almost everything else is extremely basic, shallow and far worse than you can find for free on nexus.
My biggest problem with starfield is still gear progression the whole refined advanced thing makes starting a new file suck cause I know I'm gonna end up tossing 99% of the gear I get rather quickly
I was really hoping for Far Harbor. I still enjoy Starfield, but it’s feels soulless.
The only way for Bethesda to save itself from a Ubisoft style implosion is to downscale all their projects significantly.
Their engine obviously can't handle half of what they want to make, and their employees are stuck choosing between quality or quantity because of it.
It literally hinges on elder scrolls 6 at this point I think. They'll still sell of course, but the major fanbase would have long moved on.
skyrim: last hour 17k, 24 hour peak: 22k
I was playing on Game Pass I stopped for various reasons one single player games destroy my sleep schedule. I personally enjoy playing Call of Duty more. Game Pass is another subscription that I'm paying on top of all the others. I didn't come back for shattered space because I personally don't feel like paying $30 especially since I just be playing with a Game Pass subscription it should have been free with Game Pass. I'm not going to buy the game until there's a version that has all the DLC bundled with it and there are more cool mods made for the game.
Ok, guys, we heard your criticism and complaints loud and clear with starfield. And that's why we are pleased to announce Skyrim on the starfield in-game watch for only... $60. Tod Howard probably.
Same thing that's happened to other 'beloved' studios - the people who made their best games are no longer there, current teams are living in the shadows of giants, and they're developing by ticking boxes.
I've always appreciated your takes on things Juice. Honestly I never thought Starfield was a good choice for bethesdas wheelhouse from the first trailer. Personally have enjoyed the last few years of 76 and I think Bethesda just needs to dial it back a bit if they want to deliver in the future
I'm still enjoying Fallout London. I do own the DLC but its on the back burner for quite awhile. Low priority.
Starfield is cool but not cool enough to keep the Fallout and Elder Scrolls franchises on the sidelines. It’s ridiculous that Skyrim was released 13 years ago and we still have to wait until the next generation consoles for the next one. Give the IPs to someone else who will make the games we want.
I just dont care about Starfield. I would like some new Fallout 4 content, but after the update I was sadly disappointed.
This is really simple Phantom Liberty was an excellent addition to the game not only had new area, side missions and activities but it elevated the whole base game even more. Shattered space sadly did not I completed the main quest around 11-12 hours and it was more of the same bethesda formula. Even if you provide valid points the game is lacking BGS doesnt even take them seriously.
BGS was starting to feel oudated since 2015,
After all the great RPG's lately coming out....
Really just amplifies that.
Let's hope bethesda dossen't add creations to fo4
Serious question. If Bethesda isn’t having a problem with finances then why all the lay offs?
I don't know why you guys are all hating on shattered space, it expanded on the lore, gave a 10 hour mini campain that has replay value because your choices kinda matter.
It was never going to change the game. With games costing around 70$ now 30$ for a DLC isn't that wild. I had often a worse time paying way more.
I think the fate of Elder Scrolls 6 lies in whether Starfield's failer was caused by a failed game design experiment or caused by the draining talent of people working for BGS. It's probably a little of both, but I'm hoping that Starfield was just more of a failed experiment than indicative of the decline of BGS. The last game that BGS (the main studio) made before Starfield was Fallout 4 (not Fallout 76, which was a different time almost entirely, plus Todd Howard overseeing it). Fallout 4 had it's own disappointments, but I feel like they learned from that with Starfield. It's just that they messed up in all brand new ways with Starfield. Elder Scrolls 6 could be a return to the formula they know works and works well with their engine.
A failed experiment would be if they kept the "Bethesda magic" but in space. A failed experiment brandish a cult following that says, "Yeah, space doesn't work for their type of games, but I can still find a little fun. They tried!"
This is a failure on their whole design team. No effort, no love, and definitely leaning on the goodwill of their fans (what is left at least). This game is devoid of life. Just like the space the ships fly in, there is no atmosphere. Starfield is more equivalent to a black hole at this point.
I have no faith in ES6, and it is a CRIME that they are doing nothing with the Fallout IP right now.
I actually enjoyed starfield, however do wish bethesda would really learn from this loss.
Bugthesdas goal is to release a bare minimum game and have the community fill the game with content. Starfield is the prime example of this. I will never support this business model and wish they go bankrupt and leave room for creative and not greedy or lazy developers to take there place...
I feel like they are sacrificing great storytelling and creative world building for micro transactions and visual spectacles. It’s not a good trade off.
Bethesda fans have been waiting 13 years and counting since Skyrim came out. We all figured about 5-7 years after Skyrim's release that we'd have TES6 around the corner. That feeling of neglect from Bethesda as they focused on Fallout 76 with it's monitization, Elder Scrolls Online that isn't an actual Elder Scrolls game, and the focus on pushing paid mods on yet another re-re-release of Skyrim primed their fanbase to be upset with them. They give us Starfield with some of the most shallow, empty, and pointless exploration I've ever seen in a video game and they wonder why fans are not interested. I've been a fan of Bethesda since I played TES3: Morrowind on the original Xbox. I remember sitting at my computer and seeing Oblivion's count down on their web page. Waiting impatiently for the timer to end and see what was to be revealed. I remember recycling scrap copper to get enough money to buy an Xbox 360 just for TES4: Oblivion. I remember being so excited for every DLC that came out for Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Fallout 4. I'd be waiting in line at midnight launches or sitting at my computer waiting for the content to be unlocked so I could play it. Starfield came out and something felt off. I hesitated, but ended up buying it on launch. When Shattered Space came out, I didn't know. Even after I found out, I had no interest in playing it. I only picked it up because I figured "They douped me into buying the deluxe edition for the season pass, so I might as well get this crossed off my list of things to do. I've never felt that way about a major Bethesda title before. I'm tired of Bethesda chasing after the money and not the art. Going after easy income from paid mods instead of delivering what their most loyal fans have been begging them to make for 13 years now. They know we want it. They had to let us know when announcing Fallout 76 because every suspected leak was followed by "Is it TES6?"
I want to hold onto hope that when TES6 comes out, it will feel like the Bethesda I grew up with as a kid. A return to the franchise I've grown to enjoy the most. But I fear the talent that made Bethesda so great in years past has already left the company.
honestly the reason I haven't played the new DLC is I'm in more of a fantasy game mood these days especially with the new dragon age coming out.
Bethesda and many other game studios should get out from their toxic positivity bubble and face cristicism in order to improve.
my problem with Bethesda is I think they gotten quite a bloated ego. I think what they are making is the best thing since slice bread and are out of touch what a portion of their fans want. Like to hope that the negative feedback from reviews can help them realize that, but I doubt it.
I don't think there's gonna be anymore DLC for this game. So we might as well say it's over.
I’m one of the many people that bought the premium edition… i loved the first 20ish hours of base gams starfield, but by the end i couldnt finish the game fast enough and never bothered doing the unity. Couldnt get interested enough to play shattered space either.
I still play fallout 4 and skyrim…
The fact the "good" part is meh yearly exspansions and paid mods does not make it sound good going forward lol, i'd rather they take the feedback on Starfield and make a great game.
Financialy they're doing well...creatively they're bankrupt
I was 13 when I fell in love with Skyrim. Now I’m 25. If Bethesda cannot make an ES6 that equals or surpasses Skyrim, then Bethesda should not exist.
Uhh tough week man? This is basically an oversimplified way of saying no.
Google has place in their GRAVRYARD
Bethesda will never release another good game again as long as Emil and his shitty writing team is still working there.
I’m in that camp that played early access and had fun for awhile, but the game quickly got old, and I cannot get myself to care enough to go back to it to play shattered space
Just bought Skyrim again (VR this time) instead of reinstalling Starfield and playing a DLC I purchased about a year ago!
You are being too nice when your own data says otherwise... is all doom and gloom, there is no way around
That being said, there is hope, some company in the future will do great things, just not them in the current state, nor the current year companies... lots of things need to change, and that will only happen after a collapse, we are heading to a new video game crash