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- A grand jury in Ohio is weighing whether to indict a woman who had a miscarriage. She was two weeks pregnant when she miscarried at home, after a doctor told her the fetus was no longer viable. Now she’s facing criminal charges for abuse of a corpse and up to a year in prison. Dr. Kavita Patel joins to discuss what this case means in a post Roe v. Wade world.
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#RoevWade #Ohio #miscarriage
You cannot criminally charge a woman who has a miscarriage and not expect massive repercussions.
Republicans need to be held accountable for the disgusting and unjust laws they have implemented.
VOTE them OUT!! Vote 💙💙💙💙💙💙🇺🇸👍 Pro-Democracy 🎉
Preferably at the voting booth.
Considering it's a Democrat Prosecutor who has made this indictment you may want to rethink your stupid comment.
The lady tried to flush the miscarriage and clogged her toilet which led to this whole debacle.
@@alanakafang6143considering prosecutors in the US are party aligned that explains a lot of the BS going on in the US.
Either way this charge is more akin to some backward 3rd world country. Pretty sad.
Apparently the already dead fetus was either left in the toilet where it fell, or put in her backyard because the toilet was at risk of clogging. She was feeling deathly ill when she miscarried, after days of carrying an already dead fetus that the doctors would not take out of her. She wasn't abusing the fetal remains, she just didn't know what she was supposed to do with them, and the court STILL has not told women how they are expected to treat fetal remains. Tell me again about how abortion bans are not a sign of a state hating on women.
And probably still sent her a crippling bill for tens of thousands of dollars after doing nothing.
Women! We must vote to protect ourselves, demand healthcare, demand your right to decide your family planning & reproductive choices.
Vote BLUE🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊2024
Women, talk to your fathers, husbands, brothers, sons...educate them on the hazards of pregnancy & miscarriage and the now the very real legal dangers - if they love you and your family life..
Make sure they will fight with you for your rights
Banning abortion will never work. The fall out is immense. Women enduring life threatening conditions & cruel unusual punishment. Doctors unable to practice ethics, scared of being jailed, even leaving states. Why can’t they see that this is beyond untenable.
VOTE BLUE
@@jbutler8585 And now likely legal costs on top of that.
These lawmakers need to be criminally charged for human rights abuses. This woman should NEVER have to go through this.
Yes.
This must be what the second amendment is for
Edit: just want to clarify that I am very much on the side of this woman and EXTREMELY against anti-abortion lawmakers.
When do human rights begin?
@@ClockworkWyrm did you watch the same video we did? She didn't terminate the pregnancy, she miscarried after trying to maintain the pregnancy. She's heartbroken, and now traumatized by lawmakers on top of the trauma of losing her pregnancy. If it was your family member, you wouldn't want them treated like a criminal over something they were incapable of preventing and poorly advised on how to handle. This is inhumane to the max. Please think about that before asking that question.
No woman should over a miscarriage!
How the heck can you charge a woman for a miscarriage. Her body makes the decision it cannot handle the baby for whatever reason. This woman is Grieving the loss of her CHILD and they are adding insult to injury by arresting her for it as if this what she wanted? These people are remarkably heinous and despicable.
This has NOTHING to do with abortion, dumdums. The charge is for abused the body. Tossing it into a bucket like trash?
She wasn't charged for the miscarriage. She was charged with mutilating a corpse. Not at all related. Legally, anyway.
Stop interrupting their false realities
@@tammyhanlon3057 And the grand jury saw that charge as a joke. Good for them because it was a joke!
@@gregscott1672 I didn't say I agreed with it. As an American I wait to hear the evidence before I decide guilt. I merely said that mutilating a corpse is a crime, that the poor woman wasn't charged with having a miscarriage. See, I don't just start screaming "injustice" and "politics are bad". It's called being reasonable.
We lost our child from miscarriage at 21 weeks and it was (and still is) devastating. But to think of my wife having to potentially face criminal charges for something she desperately did not want to have happen is beyond cruel. FOR SHAME!!!!!!!
Tough...👈🤔...Toilets are for
FECES, not humans...
Thank you!!! EXACTLY right!!
Thank you for sharing. I'm sorry for your loss.
Thank you for your comment. I’m so sorry about the loss of your baby.
She tried to flush then had to plunge the fetus
My God! This is an open attack on women. My heart absolutely goes out to this young lady. How inhumane can this nation become? Just horrific.
VOTE BLUE
She's black so how does this surprise you. Stop being a hypocrite
Welcome to Gilead!
I agree 💯% My sentiments exactly.
@@genevabecker8441 no democrats want you to murder up until birth
My heart breaks for this young lady! Making women out to be criminals for miscarrying means women are less likely to go for prenatal care, less likely to announce a pregnancy, less likely to allow themselves to get pregnant or to have relations. This is so draconian!
Many of us women have suffered miscarriages, even losing our babies late in our pregnancy like she did. I lost six MUCH WANTED babies.
One of our babies died at 18 weeks, and I had to carry the dead baby for a month because no one wanted to touch it. When they realized I could die of sepsis, I was finally operated on to remove the dead child. The miscarriage was very traumatic as it was. Carrying it while people patted my belly, congratulated me on the new baby coming etc. was horrendous.
That sounds purely horrifying and nightmare-inducing.
Sorry for your losses.
I am so sorry that you dealt with losing one but so many is just no words. I'm sorry you had to deal with practically losing your life also. I can't imagine how this must feel and don't want to say I understand because I just don't and that's not right. I hope you have children eventually since you obviously want them. Good luck and know that you did nothing wrong and if comfortable please let people know your story so hopefully there won't be another you or another Britney.
We just lost baby No 5 was me at to be born on feb14 2024 but Even My husband looked at me and was like "this is not right, u do know i would wait for u to get out right?" this was 110%not her fault i feel so bad for her and the family 😢😢😢😢😢❤❤❤❤❤
@@Dontbestupidostupido I’m so very sorry for your loss. Sadly, I know exactly what you are feeling right now.
We named every one of our children that died, and I will forever remember those dates in my heart. Both the expected delivery, and the day we grieved their loss.
I pray you will have support of the ones you love on your precious baby’s due date.
Remember, grief is a process, and there is never a time limit. Allow yourself to grieve, and don’t listen to those who don’t understand that this was more than just a fetus. This was your beloved child.
@@Katfancy40 Thank you for your kind words. After a doctor figured out what was wrong with me, we were able to remedy the medical issue, and eventually had four wonderful sons. There is hope.
Besides the fact that many women have abortions due to medical issues of their own, what I am angry about, is that women are thought to be smart enough to be a mother, overseeing children, and the household, but apparently not smart enough to make life and death decisions about our own bodies with our doctor.
The lawmakers didn’t figure this out before making such a drastic change.
Who is paying for the cost of medical insurance for that pregnancy and delivery?
Who cares for the pregnant woman during her pregnancy if she is sick?
Who will pay her bills if she is told to remain on bed rest (as I was for 3 months with our last son)?
Who is paying for the baby’s formula if the mother can’t nurse? Diapers? Education?
Who is paying for the baby’s medical insurance if the child is born with serious medical issues?
Since most adoptive parents want newborns, who is taking care of the hundreds of thousands of kids left in foster care?
Who is paying for the adoptions?
The list of questions goes on and on, yet when asked, they have no answers.
How any woman could ever vote for a Republican at this stage is beyond me.
VOTE BLUE
ROE your VOTE 💙
Amen! These sort of happenings are now going on everywhere.
Get rid of this older congress & state laws causing this ..vote! get them gone!
It's not just a Republican problem, though. The Democratic party distanced itself from the abortion issue for a long time, passing up countless opportunities to enshrine abortion access in statute. I'm not saying they're AS culpable as the Republicans in this problem, but they do deserve a fair amount of condemnation for their inaction.
@@portmantologistit was codified by the Supreme Court, they didn’t need to do anything. Don’t equate the democrats with the republicans.
She was told by a doctor her fetus was no longer viable. She should have been in the hospital and induced to deliver her fetus in a safe sanitary environment. She was sent home to do what??? Was she given information on what to do in the event of a miscarriage at home?
My heart hurts for her and what she is going through. I hope if this ever goes to jury trial she is found NOT GUILTY!
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!!
This was a Catholic Hospital...they don't do abortions. Therefore she got no help from them.
From other posts they said that happened because it is a Catholic hospital .. YOU KNOW religion always wins out over the life a living breathing human in distress.
@@PaulaMion
Most people don't have the option to go to a hospital that isn't run by a religious institution.
I know many people who miscarried at home and handled it at home the same way.
according to the report I read- not posts made on social media- she went to the hospital 3 times, and all 3 times signed herself out, against medical advice. The first 2 visits while they were planning to induce and handle this. She chose to leave, on 2 occasions, and the 3rd time went back, thinking they would go ahead and take care of it. At that point, she was on the cusp of it being "too late" per the state law for allowable abortions. She assumed wrong and she should have stayed and had this handled when the hospital wanted to do it- the first 2 times she went in.
Are they being heavy handed- perhaps. But very few people seem to be aware of the full set of facts, and this is being weaponized to further an agenda.
Not only was she forced to have a miscarriage at home, which had to be absolutely horrifying considering how far along she was.... she now is having her entire life be ripped apart, during a time where the ONLY thing she needs is empathy.This is exactly why other first world countries, have warnings for when people travel here, that it is a dangerous place for pregnant women to travel. This is absolutely horrifying.
I cannot imagine the trauma she is going through, my heart breaks for her. To go through a miscarriage (which is already heartbreaking) then to be facing these ludicrous charges, fearful of potential jail time and having the world know about it all at once. Unimaginable.
I feel so sorry for this woman. This charge is outrageous.
Better folks to feel sorry for.
@@user-rg7uh9se4c With an attitude like yours, no one should ever feel sorry for you.
Yes she was failed so many ways.
@@user-rg7uh9se4c Sorry little MAGAt, but she's better than you.
She flushed the fetus and it clogged her toilet which led to this whole mess.
What kind of hateful monster is this prosecutor???
Trumpie.
This protector is eyeing a judge's bench.
@@MMuraseofSandvich Protector? That's twisted, he is protecting nothing.
A man.
He claims that he is required by law to bring the charges....
“Abuse of a Corpse?” These horrible policies made this woman walk around with a corpse inside of her. How ghastly. It wasn’t the corpse being abused.
I am so heartbroken for this woman. No help, no healthcare. She had to carry the fetus for days, it was toxic to her system. She was horribly sick and now she’s up on charges after one of the most devastating ordeals a person can endure. Why is she under attack, this is crazy.
This case should be dropped immediately. Republican Supreme Court members should be ashamed of themselves.
Lol as if they're even able to feel shame that's hilarious
They are proud of themselves. They are sending a clear message
@@nettewilson5926 And that message is, "We are old, stupid, and have no place in government. Kick us out!"
@@DarkEdgePrince no, it’s “we are re-establishing white male privilege and patriarchy and a rigidly enforced socioeconomic caste system”
The citizens of a country that allow such charges to be made should be ashamed of themselves.
You wouldn't ask a prosecutor to perform surgery, a defense attorney to prescribe medication, or a judge to provide a medical diagnosis. So why are politicians allowed to pass laws that affect women's health? If it was up to me, every member of SCOTUS would be jailed for impersonating a medical professional.
Half of them should be jailed for lying to the Senate about their belief in stare decisis.
Including the ones who dissented to Dobbs?
Thank god it's not up to someone as clueless as yourself then ...
You can thank Leonard Leo, the Federalist society and the Heritage foundation.
@@ronhall3686 actually you can thank the Democrat Prosecutor who indicted her, it was ultimately his decision.
At this point WHY would a woman risk her life and now her freedom to have a child?
I absolutely refuse.
I’m often ashamed of being from Ohio. This is disgusting.
Update: they’re not indicting her but my comment still stands. If this never caused outraged they would’ve stayed the course.
Any hospital that refuses to provide healthcare and sends a woman home with a nonviable fetus inside of her should be sued for endangerment of her life. Sepsis is a very real possibility and can be fatal.
Absolutely thank you for pointing that out.
Imagine what the foetus looked & smelt like after rotting inside her for days too! Just think about the smell & decomposition of a rat or even mouse under your fridge, then imagine if it had been at body temperature for days, would be sickening for even a healthy person to try to deal with, let alone the poor woman with sepsis from carrying it! Absolute malpractice to let her go home with that inside her!
@@mehere8038They were terrified of the right wing anti abortion laws in Ohio.
And I say shame on any cop who obeys orders to enforce such crap.
@@nbenefiel the hospital you mean? Well they have good reason to be, but this poor woman has even more reason to be. It's not right she has to be the one to make a stand against this & potentially face jail time over it. Also, she is only in this position cause of what one of the hospital staff members did in reporting her. I very much doubt they did that out of genuine terror for the laws, as opposed to supporting them
This is what full-blown misogyny looks like. The hatred of women and the desperate need to control them is out of control. These people need to be held accountable! I feel so bad for her.
I agree completely. What is just as disgusting is that there are also women supporting these laws. They disgust me more than the men do.
These women are brainwashed. If it weren't for men, they wouldn't be that misogynystic.
And they also suffer.
@@nocurefordumbThey are snakes in the grass, but it’ll bite them in the butt eventually too. I prefer to focus on the men in power who have nothing to lose and everything to gain from our oppression.
more like fear of women
Religion has blood on its hands yet again.
My heart goes out to this woman. The last thing a woman grieving a lost child needs is to be criminalized for that loss and grief.
I dont understand how anyone could criminally charge someone for something that A) They had no way to prevent and B) Happens to WAY more people than you would likely guess. Often more than once. Its ridiculous this is a thing.
Looking at America from outside, the term “dystopian hellscape” is the only thing that comes to mind.
Well, then, you have an accurate picture.
Agree
Gilead also works.
You're absolutely right.
💯💯💯💯💯💯
Had she miscarried in the hospital the fetus wouldn't have been burried or cremated. It would have been disposed of in the medical waste bin. No grand jury would prosecute the hospital for abuse of a corpse. So why prosecute this woman who miscarried at home after trying and failing to get medical help from the hospital?
Then vote Blue. No frickin' excuses. No "not inspiring." No "protest." Vote Blue. It will only get worse.
Guilty of "being pregnant while black" in the United States of Gilead.
Black and not rich. It’s open season on both.
She is black & they can fkg get away with cruelty in the name of religion & re-election! 🤮🤮🤮🤮
THIS IS A REASON TO VOTE!
We're the laughing stock of the world. Living like we're in the 1800s.
Women who are actively miscarrying who are denied medical care can easily die from blood loss (our sister-in-law almost died twice from horrible miscarriages - and she had to have medical treatment now denied - and both were highly wanted pregnancies) as whatever these men imagine miscarriages aren’t clean little neat affairs in which a perfect little baby plops out. Ffs. There is massive blood loss and pain. There is tissue from the uterine lining and blood clots that are large. A dead fetus can go septic - and these politicians would rather see this woman die without medical treatment than allow standard medical procedures to save lives. Because they want votes. Disgusting.
Twice I missacarried at 20 weeks. Both times I was alone and flushed the remains. No one held my hand. No one held me as I cried. I could never imagine being charged with anything. This whole country needs to support this woman and every other women who go thru this. I marched 50 years ago for women's. rights.. Politicians are not doctors and should never act as if they are. Nor ever have the authority to make these ghastly laws! Give women their health rights back now!
*miscarried
*every other woman who goes
*women's rights
@@alvallac2171 👎
My heart goes out to you. I miscarried at about 14 weeks many years ago. Peter (my husband) cleaned up while I cried in the bathroom, and then held me while I cried some more. I had to go to the hospital for a D & C because I was bleeding profusely afterward. I'm so grateful that I was given compassionate care. I hope none of this nonsense spreads to Canada.
Politicians are not doctors and I dare say the shenanigans the republicans are pulling on the women of this country and all other people of this country proves they aren't politicians either. They are clowns pretending to do a job and getting paid for it.
@peterdeane4490 so sorry to hear that. The emotional pain is unthinkable.
My mom had two miscarriages in her life,…I had one at about 6-7 weeks pregnant. I didn’t even realize that it came out of me and into the toilet with lots of blood. I was able to deal with it at home, and I was actually surprised it happened. The state policing women this way is unacceptable. Vote them out!
Miscarriage is so very common, male politicians do not actually realize how common they are. I too had one at around 6-7 weeks
My aunt had 6 miscarriages before successfully carrying and giving birth to two healthy girls in succession. My grandmother had 4 during her lifetime. Common and tragic. No woman should be punished for losing a child, this is ridiculous. Agreed - vote them out!
VOTE BLUE
She clogged the toilet.
@@susanford2388 should never be called abortion and should be an exception
Sounds like the only way she would have avoided jail time was to die with the child…….How is this happening?!?
This is a world where women are sent home without treatment even when a miscarriage is imminent, and are criticized by hospital nurses for having miscarried. It's disgusting.
My heart goes out to her. And all this despite Ohio voting to protect private reproductive decisions by voting to enshrine it in their state constitution. This is not right.
It's SO horrendous and heartbreaking!! She's mourning and being abused by an apathetic, low life, state attorney! This makes me livid and tearful! How dare that feckless sub human charge her with a crime!?! 🤬🤬🤬
Probably shouldn’t flush a miscarriage down the toilet and get the toilet clogged.
@@TheRealCrimdor then maybe she shouldn't have been sent home, when she sought medical care?
@@amberandrews6842- oh I whole heartedly agree with you on that
@@amberandrews6842- still doesn’t excuse what she did with the aftermath.
It's Ohio, under Republican rule. Ohioans need to vote them out of office.
The prosecutor is a Democrat ... he decided to indict ... he didn't have to as other Democrat Prosecutors have shown by completely ignoring the law in other states and letting actual criminals off.
Suggest you take your complaint up with the Democrat making this happen.
@@alanakafang6143 he isn't actually a Dem, he ran as a Dem, because there was another Republican running.
@@alanakafang6143 Your denial of reality is humiliating.
Americans always quick to mention political parties. You people should open your eyes.
@@paulorganisation1 This is a political problem created by one side of politics.
You're the sleeper child.
This is just disgusting, she should sue the hospital and the government for lack of healthcare, she could’ve come down with sepsis or worse. Disgusting!
They are prosecuting this poor lady for having miscarried. Women of child bearing age should not reside in states like Ohio, Texas etc. to avoid that potential fate. Shame on that nurse who turned her in to the police. Shame on the doctors who wouldn't help her. Shame on everyone who is persecuting her. Shame!
This woman is suffering human rights abuse courtesy of GOP.
Indeed & a violation of her privacy.
Thank you - on both - Invasion of her Privacy, and Human Rights Abuse.
Invasion of Emminent Domain.
The party who claim to be for small government, individual freedoms, and keeping the government out of our business seem to have a really tough time not overseeing peoples' bedroom and bathroom privacies
@@aazhie They are the party of perverts.
@@aazhie Not forgetting Trump saying that he would walk in on the young ladies in the beauty pageant that he owned.
This is insane. Our country is insane. The judge should not even be hearing this case, s/he should be saying "I'm setting this woman free and putting the people who wrote this inhuman law in prison."
@@nathanielalderson9111 doctors shouldn’t need to debate whether or not they’re allowed to administer abortions. The lawmakers are to blame
@@nathanielalderson9111 Honestly the fact that they're charging this poor woman just means doctors will be even more scared to do ANYTHING to help.
If they'd actually done an abortion to get the dead fetus out of her, I believe they 100% would be in the courtroom now instead of or along with her.
Yes I agree they should be required to provide the medical help she needed, and they should be held responsible for not doing that.
But the new law is vague and scary and I get why everyone is walking on eggshells so they don't end up in jail for murder.
@@nathanielalderson9111 The Dr's are afraid to do their jobs because they are being threatened with criminal charges. How hard is it for you to wrap your head around this?!? Do you think Dr's are strong enough to go against the entire government of Ohio? C'mon man get real.
First, this entire charge is incredibly cruel and misogynistic. But why is *disposing* of a corpse being confabulated with *abusing* a corpse? Not to mention, this isn’t a baby, it’s a non-viable fetus, but regardless, she did nothing more than dispose of it, and what the heck else was she supposed to do, in pain, bleeding, and suffering the trauma of losing a wanted pregnancy after being discharged from the hospital that wouldn’t assist her?
This is insane that a woman can be criminally charged for something devastating that she has no control over. I had a chemical pregnancy recently (very early miscarriage). Let me just say that alone was devastating, as well as the whole TTC process. I can’t imagine being criminally charged on top of that.
This case makes me sick. She’s being treated like a criminal for something she couldn’t control. It also makes me sick that a nurse was the one who called the police on her. This woman went through something so traumatic and now they want to prosecute her for it.
That nurse should be facing criminal charges. And lose his or her job for breaching patients privacy. I mean I bet they went behind their employer's back in making the report
@@karenlilley1770at the very least it should be a hippa violation or something.
The answer is simple. She went to a Catholic-affiliated hospital for treatment. The Catholic church’s stance on abortion is well-known, and lots of anti-abortion activists have been fantasizing for years about punishing anyone who has an abortion. In their eagerness, they imagine evidence when there is none. Her accuser needs a long, hard, and prayerful study of Exodus 20:16.
@@sheilajstorms clearly they need to be taught the differences between abortion and miscarriage as well then
I AM BEGGING PRESIDENT BIDEN TO EXPAND THE COURT. THIS SC IS BROKEN TO THE POINT OF ENABLING EVIL.
I hope the women of Ohio force these lunatics out of office.
This is BULL!!! The Dr. And Hospital sent her home!! Where tf was the "miscarriage " supposed to take place? What was she supposed to do...sit outside the morgue??How are we now labeling grieving mothers as criminals for miscarriage?? I'm so outraged by this ridiculousness!!
I cannot imagine. That poor woman. The people that are bringing these charges are DISGUSTING, HATEFUL and PATHETIC.
Conservatives told us for decades, "Naaaw! We wouldn't charge a woman just for having a miscarriage!"
This is what happens when you try to run government by social media likes.
VOTE BLUE
Miscarriage has been suspect for decades.
@@user-rr1jw9cz1u I don't understand your comment. Can you elaborate?
@@user-rr1jw9cz1u Suspect of what? So a bunch of maggot misogynists think they can prosecute women for miscarriages?
I’m actually scared for women. My mother miscarried twins that attached in her fallopian tubes. They ruptured before the doctors would touch her and she almost died. Any woman in this situation today would be condemned to die in several states. So many atrocities against women for no reason. 😭
Same thing happened with my niece. She wanted both pregnancies. Twice she had to go to the ER with an ectopic pregnancy and the second time they removed the bad fallopian tube. She now has a happy , healthy, wanted baby boy. She lives in Tennessee. If it were to happen again today, I'm scared they would just sit there and watch her die. I'm scared it's happening a lot more than we're hearing about
I'm so sorry your mother went through that. Women shouldn't be put in these situations at all.
It’s basically forced sterilization too! They could remove the twins and let her go on to have healthy babies instead of nearly killing her and destroying her body by waiting.
If these women are incarcerated or die because they aren't allowed proper health care, who do they expect to carry our future population?
The reason is control.
My sister had a fallopian pregnancy way back in the late 90s... I couldn't imagine the stress of dealing with the court system along with this ,talk about inhumane 😞
Being charged with a crime even without being convicted costs money, costs your job, ruins your life, and it's on your record....and this is awful.
Almost every woman I know has had at least one miscarriage
I don't even understand the charge. She miscarried. She had a week to go before the fetus was considered viable, which means there was no "corpse." Not to mention that the fetus was already dead inside of her. The cruelty of this is just mind blowing. My heart goes out to this woman.
that's a human corpse.
also, in America, I don't know where you live. It is illegal to remove or hide a human corpse. It's been like that since dawn of time in any society.
pleas do better and educate yourself.
@@bobbob-vw4cclike the commentator said if she had the miscarriage in the hospital they would have tossed in the trash with the blood in placenta. They would not have sent it to the morgue... So try again legally it's not a corpse. It's medical tissue. The hospital that sent her home should have told her what to do with it... If they didn't then it should really be on them. Honestly it was dead and she was due to miscarry and if she didn't she could have suffered severe infections so she should have been in the hospital. These laws are making hospitals too scared to take care of people.
@@bobbob-vw4cc You might need to get some education yourself.
If a fetus is not developed enough to be viable outside of the womb, it isn’t a baby. It’s not developed enough to be medically considered a person yet. Anything that passes during a miscarriage during this period is considered “medical waste”. Like a tumor or a dead organ that was removed from the body. There are regulations in place for disposal of these materials, but not because the materials themselves are sacred, it’s for safety in regards to the spread of disease, like any biological waste.
After a fetus has developed enough to have been viable outside of the womb, but has died before labor has begun is considered a “stillbirth”. And this is also not medically considered a person- because it was never born and was never independently alive. A parent can emotionally or spiritually consider their stillborn or miscarried fetus their “baby”, which is their right to do, but in medical terms, a stillborn isn’t a corpse, it’s medical waste, particularly if the fetus has been dead long enough to begin decomposition.
A corpse is the dead body of a person who has been born and independently alive outside of the womb. A fetus can be colloquially considered a corpse depending on its level of development, but there is a point where even colloquially, it doesn’t make sense to call a fetus a “corpse”, because it isn’t a person yet. At certain early stages, calling a fetus a corpse would be like calling an extracted teratoma a corpse. It’s dead human tissue, but that doesn’t mean it was ever a person.
@@bobbob-vw4cc Utter rubbish.
@@bobbob-vw4cc "In Texas, the health code allows for the disposal of human tissue or fetuses by seven legal means, including incineration, "disinfection followed by deposition in a sanitary landfill" and "grinding and discharging to a sanitary sewer."
In North Carolina, health care facilities "shall dispose of fetal remains by burial, cremation or incineration," per state regulations.
South Dakota stipulates that "any hospital, clinic or medical facility in which abortions are induced or occur spontaneously or accidentally … shall arrange for the disposal of the remains by cremation, interment by burial or by incineration in a medical waste incinerator approved by the Department of Environment and Natural Resources.""
Maybe you should educate yourself...
Since when is having a miscarriage a crime? All I see here is a miscarriage of justice, that woman has suffered enough already. Surely a coroner would be able to put this case to rest.
I'm so sorry to anyone affected by these abhorrent laws, especially those whose lives have been or will be endangered by them. Watching on in horror from across the pond!
Most women have had a miscarriage, it is devastating! Her reaction and how she handles the death of her fetus is her private grief. Texas and Ohio women leave your state if you get pregnant.
Texas and Ohio women should leave those states BEFORE they decide to procreate.
AND STOP VOTING REPUBLICAN! 😡😡😡😡😡👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
@@AberrationXbecause it happened on the toilet. Are you bonkers? What do you expect that she gets it out the toilet again?
@@AberrationX because that's where she had it. Blood and tissue in a toilet. Unless you're an obgyn or have had a miscarriage, your comnent is uninformed.
@@AberrationXmost women who get a miscarriage are on the toilet and they flush it out or throw it in the trash.
This is a disgusting overreach of government. Poor woman.
I've had a miscarriage. It mentally destroys you, I couldn't imagine going to jail for something I have no control over...
I would love to know what kind of HUMAN BEING thought it was imperative to call the '' The Authorities " on its unfortunate woman in the first place?
Imagine a man even comprehending the trauma of a miscarriage.
Leave this poor woman alone - she has gone through enough!
Just stop with the men Don't understand. That's nonsense.
@@billyyank5807 well it is men who are making these laws they want women to have no rights
@@billyyank5807 Really? Then why do so many men want to legislate our reproductive health?
@@sharimeline3077Why do a lot of women also want the same? Far right religious women also want to limit abortions for women. this isn’t a men vs. women thing, it’s a right vs. wrong thing. And clearly, only doctors and their patients should be discussing medical decisions. Bodily autonomy should be a right for EVERYONE and restricting abortions absolutely makes pregnant women, and any woman who wants to become pregnant, into 2nd class citizens.
@@AndrewH1994Embryos/Fetuses are not separate humans from the woman.
I'm praying the grand jury does the right thing and does not indict this woman. A miscarriage is already a traumatic event, without being further persecuted by the law. This is not justice, it's needless cruelty. This is not a matter for the public or the courts, this should only have been kept between her and her treating physicians. Shame, shame, shame on the Ohio prosecutors and the GOP!
Hopefully the grand jury is made up of sensible educated people. Plus many women have had miscarriages, so maybe there will be one on the grand jury
VOTE BLUE
The NURSE broke the HIPAA privacy law to inform the police officer what was going on. A woman ratted out a grieving and very ill patient, to a male officer, to get the patient in trouble. Why is no one charging the nurse for breaking the law?
@@ChristyKRobinson Because this is what anti-abortion laws are doing to health care professionals- making them terrified of losing their careers or even being prosecuted, just for doing their jobs. If they'll come after a woman who's just had a miscarriage, you can be sure they'd come after a nurse or doctor that they perceived to be stepping out of line as well. There's a reason doctors are fleeing red states in droves.
@@ChristyKRobinson Indeed. An ethical violation of her role as a nurse. I don't know if it is considered "breaking the law" per se. I am of the opinion when any medical professional, a doctor, nurse etc. violate the hippa oath, they only lose their license to practice their medical profession rather than actual prosecution. The AMA would strike them off. It does not preclude medical practitioners from going to another country to continue in their chose field medicine. The nurse could lose her position in the hospital of course.
This is so disgusting, on so many levels. This needs to stop now
A miscarriage that is NOT self inflicted is NOT criminal. Goodness, she isn't allowed to grieve. Having a DNC when the baby died is required for her health. Geez, I'm sooo sorry for her loss & turmoil. May she know her Bebe is in heaven & that she leans on HE whom loved her first. 🙏 😢
This poor woman. No one should be facing criminal charges over a miscarriage
All GOP are disgusting.
She's not. She's facing charges for trying to flush a corpse down a toilet.
@@frey8725 the corpse being a miscarriage she had at home. Which happens to a lot of people when they do. I dont know what they wanted from her, no one has ever been told to call 911 to remove a miscarriage from their home ever. It’s essentially charging her for her miscarriage because that law was made for grave robbing and people dead after birth. It was her pregnancy that passed away in her home.
@@frey8725 because she was refused medical treatment! TWICE
@@betsycheddar Look at a pic of a 22-week old fetus and tell me a normal person could think to flush that down a toilet... Especially if it's your own. My wife miscarried at 8 weeks and she insisted on burring it in the back yard under a tree. This woman tried to flush it down the toilet like a turd. If you don't see where she was wrong in what she did then I can't help you.
This is just beyond infuriating. I just don’t have the words to express how disgusted I am. The Republican Party needs to be dissolve.
Vote them all out of office. Problem solved... for now.
*dissolved.
@@alvallac2171 thanks grammar check Jesus
I flushed my miscarriage because it happened on the toilet and was comparable to passing endometrium on a period. Flushing is normal. There would have to be something quite large to even consider retreival. Can you imagine the trauma of it all? I don't think we should judge.
This is literally making me sick.
The intrusion
Unbelievable
So sorry for her, her loved ones and all women in America
This is so horrible. I've had 3 miscarriages and all of them were passed in the toilet... like cmon. Should I have scooped the clumps of tissue out? Like what? What do we have to do? If men even understood for one second what this poor woman or the rest of us have gone through...
Yeah, a bridemaid of my wife had one. In her hand. I am so sorry.
Some just like the idea of cruelty & possible death of the poor women!
I'm a man and I can only imagine what this poor woman is going through. I may not fully understand, but I do understand how I would feel if my wife and I lost our unborn baby and I can only imagine it would be multiple times worse. These toxic men with no empathy are only interested in power over women with no regard to what they are going through. This is a highly personal and tragic situation. Leave the poor woman alone to grieve with her loved ones and seek the medical and mental support she requires.
At this age it's actually considered a "stillborn" in much of the world, it is fully formed BUT remember in this case it had been dead for days & being kept at body temperature, so imagine the stench & decomposition. Horrific all round!
Where are the men protesters?
It should be recognized this Mercy Hospital is part of a national Catholic Healthcare corporation. The clinics & hospitals have an administrative religious policy that selectively over-rides the human need for healthcares. These hospitals send women home to wait for a "natural" miscarriage. There is little or no medical care advice offered for either the pain, duration & drama of the doomed pregnancy or the medical complications of birth or discharge of the placenta) when a fetus has been found to have died. This medical negligence didn't start with present homicidal cruelty of the republican leadership in the state of Ohio. This is a longtime anti-woman policy of the Ohio Mercy health system.
I had experience with a Catholic hospital in Ohio when my brother was dying and on hospice care. His actual doctor became very upset at what we were told and what was happening when her back was turned. I am so glad we had her to treat our brother with dignity and respect. Some of the hospital administrators and staff are rabid and horrible people in their misconstruction of "life" and what is required for care. And I say that as a Catholic myself. My heart goes out to this young woman. Condolences on the death of the baby she was carrying and the death of her dreams for a happy healthy baby; and best on getting through the torture chamber Ohio has become for women.
And this is exactly why we should not have religious run hospitals. Religion has no place in healthcare yet they keep forcing their way in
@@janemack2667sorry you're a catholic. Being brainwashed into delusions as a child is abuse, I'm sorry your family did that to you
I remember when abortion was a Catholic problem, not a protestant one. An ex-priest told me that abortion was a mortal sin in the catholic church because the unborn baby could be male, but the mother was only a woman. He could have just been bitter, but it does sound right.
The Church is second only to Trump for brainwashing the weak-minded.
They've been around longer, but he's demented enough to push the envelope beyond all reasonable limits.
My heart goes out to the women dealing with these cruel and unfair laws and mistreatment. These things are traumatic enough, no woman should have to endure medical mistreatment, or charges, or her life being at risk on top of such a heartbreaking event.
This is precisely why Roe. Vs Wade should not have been overturned. Going through a miscarriage is heartbreaking. This is so horrible.
This is so dangerous. Women are going to die as a direct result of this abomination of justice.
Roe vs. Wade was a stop-gap. We need an amendment
This is a miscarriage not an abortion.
@@serenitygilles7064what they were saying is she should have had a D&C or similar, rather than a more risky miscarriage at home.
A place where she could have been kept calmer without fear of litigation over something outside of her control.
@@kimberlycarrigan8824agreed, the Dems kicked the can along the road far too long.
Ohio - the same state that considered making it a legal requirement for doctors to move an ectopic pregnancy into the womb rather than removing the fetal tissue. Despite gynaecologists telling the legislature that such a procedure is impossible.
This is absolutely disgusting!!! Whoever gave the order to charge this women should be out of a job!!!!
Our government, at all levels is beyond f’d up.
The only "abuse" that fetal corpse had was when the Catholic-run hospital saw fit to send this ailing young mother home to deal with this on her own.
Catholic run explains a whole lot
Exactly.
Open your eyes, educate yourself and you won't be so ignorant. It isn't the Catholic Church which made and passed your stupid American laws it's your corrupt political system and its politicians!
Abortions are illegal there, so what was the hospital supposed to do?
A miscarriage isn’t an abortion. Women don’t chose to lose their child.
The state should be charged with mental and emotional abuse!
I'm hoping she will sue.
Absolutely!
Depraved indifference!
I want to see a class action suit against every individual involved in these charges being brought.
There is no “pro-life”, call it what is it “pro-oppression” and “pro-forced birth”. I really should get a hysterectomy before that becomes illegal too.
At the very worst, most distressing time of her life she has to face this?! Disgusting!! Shame on you Ohio prosecutor.
Women should have the final say for their bodies ..................Period!
This is such a serious waste of time & money. Leave this grieving Mother Alone.
What truly blows my mind is how laws like this can pass when I don't know one person, I've ever met, that would agree with law intervening into a woman's private and personal business. but yet here we are dealing with it like we're caveman. As if she's not going through the most difficult time of her life.
My mum had seven miscarriages between having my sister and myself, and i had one after i had my son. I can't imagine going through this awful situation. This is absolutely despicable. A huge attack on women.
My mom had 5 miscarriages in 3 years. Absolutely broke her heart. I am in awe that anyone would want to press criminal charges for something thats out of anyones control. It makes me absolutely furious.
Miscarriages are common. Sometimes it might not sound common, but that's because there's often a stigma against talking about them. Has education gotten so bad in the US that people don't even know this?
REPUBLICANS have shown who they truly are. Please vote them out and save women from this outrageous behavior from the courts.
Look I know it’s easy to see stuff like this and feel that way but comments about either party as a whole like this will only alienate people (in this case republicans) who might have been convinced to vote against stuff like this.
Republican voters should feel ashamed of themselves for causing all of this. Key word here being "should", as Republican voters prove every chance they get that they are relentlessly evil.
@@felesnocisif anyone can look at this situation, and still vote for the party that is in favor of causing trauma like this to women, they already have their minds made up from the beginning to do as such. I'm fully convinced that some of these conservatives out here are just filled with hate, and intent on inflicting as much pain and trauma onto people as possible if they don't fit into idealistic situations, circumstances and identities that don't exist for everyone.
@@felesnocisthe Republicans are the only ones passing anti-women bills and prosecuting women for having miscarriages. Women need to stop voting against themselves by voting Republican.
If seeing something like this going on "convinces" you vote against it but getting your feelings hurt makes you change your mind.... you weren't really going to vote against the atrocity to begin with 😒
This breaks my heart for this young woman. This is completely insane. We all know the the effects of PPD. This mom has been through an intense trauma before this. I just don't understand how anyone could contemplate charging this mom with anything.
This is absolutely crazy. How is this happening to this woman.
I hope this woman finds peace someday. To put that public eye on a traumatized grieving woman in a state of medical emergency. It is a disgrace.
Until she finds that peace, I hope she finds A GOOD LAWYER! Then she should take the state of OHIO to the CLEANERS! Since the monies would be from OH taxpayers, maybe they (THE TAXPAYERS) need to stand up & due something.
Welcome to the Republic of Gilead. How many denials did you hear when Roe was overturned that cases like this would never happen? I heard dozens and they all came from bald faced liars. The cruelty is the point here, the arrogant gloating of powerful religious interests lording their dogma over vulnerable people just to show that they can be as despicable as they want to be.
Anybody who doesn't vote AGAINST conservatives at this point is okay with abuse of power and has blood on their hands.
Spot on!
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Texas has already proven that their bs claims of "exceptional circumstances" were always lies.
This is about Christofascists starting their crusade to turn the USA into the Handmaids Tale. They will not stop at women's rights either. Fascists ALWAYS start with the easiest power grab and expand from there. Abortion rights was the easiest one to start this process because they already had pressure groups set up to facilitate the power grab. After this they will move on to LGBT+ rights, marriage equality is already being threatened.
When they're done with LGBT+ Americans they will move on to people of color, non-Christians, and anyone who doesn't have the same political opinions as them.
They are aiming for a dictatorship under a Christofascist ruler of their choosing, where white, male Conservatives hold ultimate power over all others.
I couldn't agree with you more.
How is this legal and not cruel and unusual punishment???? HOW????
Once she is acquitted, should sue the Ohio DA that decided to prosecute her and then the hospital for their lack of medical care.
This is what happens if we don't keep church and state separated.
No, this is what happens when *"Cowardice & Hidden Racism"* crawls out from under the toilet! 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
What does life have to do with religion?
@@coldstonestunners What does "life" have to do with a miscarriage?
@@coldstonestunners It is politicians with Evangelical beliefs that are driving this type of legislation forward.
@@coldstonestunners The Bible does NOT explicitly prohibit abortion of a Human foetus, but bible-bashers throughout Christendom have interpreted certain passages to mean that 'abortion is a sin.' When practiced by zealots, religion screws lives up! Nations which legislate based on religious texts FAIL!
I can't not cry with a broken heart for this woman. The trauma they are forcing this and other women to go thru, is unacceptable.
The person who decided to charge this lady needs to be held accountable.
Imagine, having a miscarriage on a toilet that is not your own. What would you do? Panic comes to mind. And then you get charged for a stupid mistake in a stressful, traumatic moment. Well done America, you are running yourself in the ground....
THIS SHOULD BE OUTRAGEOUS TO ALL WOMEN.
As a man, I too am outraged
I think this should be outrageous to all men!
Why are they not out protesting?
For me it is.
She miscarried, naturally, and is now being brought up on charges because she was FAILED by her medical providers?
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE, AND WHAT IS WRONG WITH US? We need to get a grip.! This is horrifying
If it was really as natural as you say.... Moreover reason why she shouldn't have flushed it down the toilet
@myndgodandpsyche no one can say what they would have done in her position, and she should not be judged for what she did. She was more than likely in shock, and let's face it, we automatically flush the toilet after using it. It's just something we do without thinking every day. I can't imagine what this poor woman is going through. Its horrific.
@@ladycatfern are you serious right now or just insane?
@@myndgodandpsychemost of the comments here are "it happened to me also on the toilet" or "it makes sense that it was on the toilet". I've never experienced it but I'm assuming the toilet is the logical place based on info from people who have experienced it. See how logic works when you can get info from others experiences?
*grip!
*horrifying.
This woman needs someone to come to her aid in this. Seeking medical care and being denied and then punished for it is ridiculous. This should be a huge lawsuit on her end. Absolutely awful.
Please change the description it says she was 2 weeks pregnant and not 21 which confuses people. This is so sick i cannot believe they are trying to charge her.
This country is a disgrace. Criminally charged for that!? Any other country in the world would be mourning for the mother and child, but America does this.... JFC.
Correction dude: It happens in a by republicans dominated state. You 'll never see this in a bluse state.
I can't even with this craziness. Republicans have lost ALL credibility on the abortion issue.
VOTE BLUE
Republicans do this -- anyone that votes for Republicans is a disgrace.
This is so wrong.
There are MANY similar cases where women are being denied appropriate care that are not being publicized. Women are scared to come forward, and medical professionals can't. Sometimes, the only way women can get help is through a sympathetic doctor who helps, but the woman then can not talk about all the difficulties they had getting care because they risk exposing the doctor. We are already back to the back alleys... but now it's not just for abortions but for life-saving care. I live in a similar state, and my primary care doctor and I are on friendly terms and talked about the issue. She gave examples of similar cases where women are being denied appropriate care due to hospitals being scared to do what is right. For instance she had a patient that was showing signs of miscarriage. She tried to get her in to see an OB. All the OBs here are part of hospital systems. All the local OBs said the couldn't take her as a new patient since she was going to miscarry and would need a DNC. Their associated hospitals didn't want to get involved. My doctor said she was eventually able to find a private OB in a neighboring state that would help her. Having to eait like that put her life at risk and increased the chances she could hemorrhage; become infected; and possibly never be able to have future children.
the only way to get these the laws changed is to vote the idiots that made these laws out, starting with Texas governor. The good old boys need to go! We need term limits for all government offices
This is a disgrace completely horrible that they put her through this because she had a miscarriage that she can not have any control of the loss of a baby
This is a nightmare for all women.
The GOP is a nightmare for all women.