Why the Earth Can’t be Old!
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- Is the Earth 4.5 billion years old? How can we measure age with certainty? What about radiometric dating methods-don’t they prove millions and billions of years? Does the age of the Earth even matter?
Dr Mark Harwood discusses these topics and more, focusing especially on why an old Earth sits in conflict with the Bible, while also providing evidence for a younger age of the Earth.
⏳ TIMESTAMPS ⌛
00:00 Introduction
00:48 Mark’s story: How origins affected his faith (An old Earth undermines the Gospel narrative)
11:11 How do we determine the age of something? (You can't measure age!)
13:32 The dripping tap example (Dating methods rely on assumptions!)
16:17 Radiometric dates aren’t definitive - assumptions rule
19:51 The importance of witness testimony
23:36 The importance of worldview / starting assumptions
26:24 So, how old is the Earth?
28:58 Evidence from radiometric dating / rocks
36:04 Evidence from sedimentation / erosion
37:41 Evidence from our solar system
40:09 Evidence from Earth’s population
41:43 Evidence from carbon-14 in fossils
43:28 Summary: You can’t measure age! (Everything depends on your assumptions!)
46:29 An old Earth calls God’s character into question
48:47 An old Earth calls the inerrancy of Scripture into question
50:38 Conclusion: Three reasons the age of the Earth matters to a Christian
✍️ LINKS AND SHOW NOTES
101 evidences for the age of the Earth: creation.com/age
How radiometric dating methods work: creation.com/how-dating-metho...
Does carbon dating prove millions of years? • Does Carbon Dating Pro...
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Radioactive Dating & A Young Earth: creation.com/s/35-8-626
Evidence for a Young World: creation.com/s/35-8-614
The Dating Game: creation.com/s/35-8-600
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Here's some further reading/viewing for those who are interested:
📄 101 evidences for the age of the Earth: creation.com/age
📄 How radiometric dating methods work: creation.com/how-dating-methods-work
📺 Does carbon dating prove millions of years? th-cam.com/video/I6Xv-PxSRPc/w-d-xo.html
📄 Did God create over billions of years? And why is it important? creation.com/did-god-create-over-billions-of-years
@@JV-tg2ne No they're not.
People laugh when I say the Earth is 6 or 7000 years old
@@nickmorgan8434nobody knows how long earth been here ( it's not even scripted in the Bible) the Bible doesnt say ,ppl tryna predict something of the first day of earth and don't even know the day when it's gone end (nobody knows it but God)
Anybody want to learn holiness go search (gino pastor jennings) he preaches directly from the Bible (you'll realize yall been lied to)
Anybody want to learn the truth look up (pastor gino jennings) he preaches straight directly from the bible.
Some people don't think this is a big deal for Christians but it really is. When the bible says one thing and the world says another it attacks your faith. This is a great upload. Thanks CMI 🙏
Perhaps have faith in human advancement, not a book written by people 1700 years ago, or more. They didn't know very much. We don't either, but we know a damn sight more than we did.
@@danellis-jones1591 The logical end to the human "advancement" you idolise is teaching children to cut their own balls off. You won the culture war and now the best you can offer the few children you bother to reproduce is a double testictomy. That, and the return of the Islamic caliphate to fight your finest women and trans soldiers on the front lines.
It's been less than a century with you Freemasonic naturalists at the wheel, a wheel you subverted and stole from us, and now you've totalled the vehicle. You should think about that before you go mouthing off about Christians who held Western Civilisation in place for that 1,700 years you mentioned.
@@danellis-jones1591 Based on various archological finds and "ancient" monolithic stone cutting and construction techniques, early man knew more than us... we've devolved, however our arrogance has been on the rise as each generation perceives itself as greater than the last ... to our own folly.
Read "the song of solomon" ... there is nothing new under the sun.
@@danellis-jones1591about science- yes. About God - nope. The Bible has had an unchanged message in all that time.
It's perfectly fine if you personally wish to interpret Genesis 1-11 literally. But you have absolutely no right to tell other Christians that they are simply not trusting the Bible hard enough or whatever simply because they disagree with your interpretation. No one has a theological monopoly on Biblical hermeneutics.
They used to say trees that petrified are millions of years old. But after mount Saint Helen blew , 25 years later the trees were petrified already. So that went out the window.
They used to say it takes 5 years for deceased humans to skeletonize, but then we saw humans being mummified in 70 days, so that went out the window.
I know. Totally crazy, right? How dare science change their opinion once new evidence arrives and our understanding of a topic improves. They need to dogmatically stick to their opinions! Oh wait.. that's religion.
I had to tear down a house that was built in the 1940s. I thought I would use some of the lumber in my new construction, but I couldn't drive a nail into it. The wood was so hard my nail gun struggled to get a nail in. Even then it would not properly sink the nail. I would have to finish it with a hammer and the nail would fold every time.
You are currently using a piece of technology created by the same methods it took to prove the Earth is billions of years old :D
If you were gullible enough to believe every thing petrified is millions of years old, that is on you. I just hope you aren't gullible enough to believe in things like young earth or flat earth. I encourage you to do your own research both in carbon dating and maybe critically look at the old testimate of the bible.
Your belief should be shaped by answers not the other way around.
Impossible for the sheep...
If I understand your criticism correctly, your saying he shouldn't blindly believe the Bible, and make the "evidence" fit that narrative. I think that's actually a pretty logical argument. However, the assumption he is using is the Bible's timeline. But, and this doesn't necessarily make it more incorrect, radio dating's assumption is multi-faceted. There are a number of assumptions, but really that's the case with a lot of science, and it's one of those things where you do what you can, and make the best guesses with the information you have. I imagine you'd agree. However, we have to remember that there are an extensive amount of assumptions, and guessing in science. If you're ok with that, I can't see how you could be logically opposed to the assumption he is using. Not that I can't see why you'd be opposed at all, just that I doubt your opposition would be logical, more so than emotional, let's say.
@@mpersand I agree with you 100%. However, I must emphasize just as vehemently that science is not about showing possibilities, but provable probabilities. The Bible, on the other hand, only makes assertions. These assertions cannot be supported scientifically, which means that the probability that the stories in the Bible happened exactly as they did almost evaporates. Against this argument, such attempts at explanation as "Science doesn't know everything either" and "With God, nothing is impossible" seem almost like helpless wishy-washy defense tactics. Anyone seeking answers cannot ignore the observable phenomena of the universe. That would be (as Jesus says in the Bible) a faith built on sand, a faith in a stopgap God instead of a God who actually IS the truth.
That said, none of us knows the complete all-encompassing nature of God. That is why we are all searching. Whether we call it the search for God or the search for truth is the same (at least according to this definition of God). And this is where another very important point comes into play: science only deals with a partial fragment of the truth. A fundamental one, but science cannot describe what love is, for example, nor can it contradict its existence. And this is where things like the Bible come into play again. Just because the Bible should be doubted historically does not mean that there are no truths to be found in its stories. The truth is to be found where personal experience and the experience of others meet. This applies not only to science, but also to our faith. Incidentally, it should also be mentioned here that those who handed down the Bible stories were not so much teachers of history as teachers of ethics. The interesting thing about these stories was not whether they happened exactly as they did, or what they said about the lives of others, but what they said about your own life.
If you believe the bible, certainly you believe that the Spirit of God spoke Romans 5:12. Paraphrasing: by one man sin and death came into the cosmos. The Greek uses the word "cosmos"
@@puppyupper4565 I agree. If you do something, you do it. Correct.
Excellent. I recent found this site and really love it!!
Thank you all for making these wonderful videos, you guys seriously helped me get out of my atheism. I was raised in a nihilistic family who abused me horribly. They told me that natural selection would take me out, and that life would be better if I was never born. I was gaslit into believing I wasn't abused because I deserved it for being a inferior human compared to them. I almost lost my life when I was 11-12. I tried starving myself to death, thinking that simply being alive was a sin, and I was repenting it. I was also desperate for attention. Maybe someone would try to love me if I was dying, and if no one loves me, I should just die (kids think pretty stupid things :P). I'm so grateful that many christians like my fiancé, and people like you saved me from the horrible believes my family brainwashed me into since I was a child. I finally feel free.
There’s to much beauty on this earth for anything to be meaningless. Your living proof of that. Walk with god. Fear no evil for he is with you now. God bless you.
That is an amazing testimony. Thank you for sharing 💚
I am very confused about this comment lol@@blackkman1324
The truth has set you free! Maranatha!
I thank God that He saved you and preserved your life. May God bless you and your union amd may He bountifully fill you with joy that overshadows your pain.
There is a funny moment in Doctor Who, a clearly reliable source. He has to wait, so he pulled a book out of his pocket, "How it all Began." He opened the book and said, "He's got it wrong in the first paragraph! Why didn't he ask someone who was there?"😅
Which Doctor was that? Season/episode please.
@thetravelerformallyknowasw7912 Tom Baker. I'm not a big enough fan to remember episode. The brig was involved.
@@pedalandpop783 Sorry, I don't do drugs😉
@@Torby4096 Makes more sense than this video.
37:25 here you talk about the erosion rate and I was thinking about this last night. How and where are you measuring this erosion rate? I was reading an article last night that said due to human involvement all of our natural topsoil will be eroded in 60 years. Key phrase being human involvement. Please if you can give a link to your erosion tests.
Go to their website. The research on Mt. St. Helens is there.
There is no scriptual evidence for this but Adam was created as an adult with 20 or 30 years worth of history. Trees were created with varying numbers of yearly rings, showing their history at creation. Why not then could galaxies have been created a few days earlier with billions of years worth of history built in. Logical.
You gotta ask why. Isn't it easier that the built in history is actually real. Or does the big old dude in the sky just want to f"ck with us?
If you remember one thing from this conversation for me it is this....Don't park your brains outside the church......So it is really saying...If God gave you the brain and expected you to use it before you became aware of Him doesn't He expect you to continue to use it even more after you recognise Him in His fullness. Priceless
Paraphrasing, test all things and hold to the truth. The Bible has not failed to be true so far.
@@johnglad5The Bible has so many things factual wrong with it. Snakes don’t talk, virgins don’t give birth, people don’t come back from the dead, there wasn’t a worldwide flood, and Adam and Eve 100% did not exist. Those are few big things that it got wrong, and your entire worldview pivots on those factually incorrect, and frankly, silly things.
@@roscius6204 You say the Bible isn't true, example please. Grace
@@roscius6204 Bats are flying creatures that fits in with the Hebrew word. There is no comparable translation. The same goes for whales are fish. This information is easy to find. You are not trying very hard.
@@roscius6204
Different kind[s].
Gen. 1.21 - And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind.
This is the simplest yet most logical argument on how old the earth actually is. I’m amazed.
I am a Christian and believe that God created as described in the Bible, not through evolution as some Christians believe. I will detail my thoughts here because they may help others realize that there had to be a creator and that macro evolution (a change of kinds) is not plausible.
The evolutionary claim is that evolution needs a tremendous amount of time (after an origin of life event that they've failed to explain: a few basic amino acid building blocks in a laboratory is highly insufficient) for a change in kinds to occur because the changes that might occur at any point in time would be tiny (today we see minor changes within species happening very infrequently). If all one is thinking about is that to get cumulatively big changes from many incrementally small changes, one will naturally conclude that we need much time. But there is a fly in the ointment.
The theory of evolution has the problem of living organisms with relatively short lifespans and which can't wait long periods of time for all parts to evolve--certainly no longer than their lifespan but realistically no longer than a few minutes since life can't exist at all without all parts. But even inanimate objects can pose a problem. Mousetraps, for example and if they could evolve, would rust and rot, leading to degradation of quality and functionality while waiting for all parts to evolve.
Organisms don't live forever, and skeletons with blood (heart, blood vessels, and the blood itself) can't wait even a generation let alone millions of years for the next bodily system (nervous, respiratory, muscular, endocrine, urinary, immune, digestive, or the integumentary system with skin, sweat glands and more) to evolve. Even one generation is far too much time because you can't have a skeleton with blood for any period of time let alone a whole generation. Life does not occur at all if you have only a few parts. You need ALL PARTS AT ONCE!!!
Sexual reproduction in living organisms adds another layer of complexity partly because reproduction has to happen in a period of time shorter than the lifespan of the organism in order for the continuation of the species (in humans, within about a 30-year period) and because two organisms (male and female) in the same species have to evolve complementary systems/organs within a short enough period of time (not millions of years) for the species to survive. In fruit flies with a lifespan of about 40-50 days, that window of opportunity shrinks substantially. Not only that, but there are many types of sexual reproduction (e.g., bees, birds, frogs, and fish) so one can't say that the miraculously chance event had to happen only once and then was carried into all other organisms.
I have a garden, and I see infrequent micro changes happen over the years (leaf shape or color on a couple of plants), but these kinds of changes only create variation within that kind of plant (e.g., citrus or fig tree) and don't result in macro evolution. The changes are also not rapid enough to account for the initial organism coming into existence (with all parts and systems and the incredibly complex DNA code/program evolving before the organism dies and to evolve quickly enough to enable life at all) or for the creation of a totally different type of organism. Darwin himself said that incremental micro changes (better and better, more and more) over a supremely long period of time (e.g., bird beaks changing in shape and size over a generation) might create macro evolution. But as we see above, time does not work in evolution's favor.
Additionally, that DNA code (like a computer program) had to come first before even a single part of an organism means that natural selection through an organism with many parts could not have been what birthed the code--neither instantly nor over millions of years. But for DNA to exist at all (without intelligence/design/order/code/programming ability is impossible as it is needed to create the various parts of the cell), the cell''s nucleus would already have to have existed. And the only way for both nucleus and DNA to have existed at same time is through a creator. Frank Turek (not that I agree with everything he has said) gave a great example of how an outside force can overcome the laws of physics: the strength of a human arm can lift something from low to high, countering gravity. (In the same way, we see limitation after limitation in the natural world that only a creator's power and intelligence could overcome.)
@@phillipaj.5588 Yes, I am born again!
I have used 'a' to refer to me being an individual follower of Christ and member of the body of Christ. After reading your comment, I think that both 'Christian' and 'a Christian' work well.
Also, there were Catholic influences in the early church writings (e.g., Origin's Septuagint appears to be fake--actually an A.D. creation, not a B.C. Greek translation of the Old Testament, and it contains the extra books of the Apocrypha which have doctrines that match Catholicism and which are nowhere else in the Bible). Jesus warned that grievous wolves would soon enter and spare not the flock. As such, I take the early church writings as helpful but very not authoritative, especially since opinions varied. I wear a headcovering, for example, almost 100% of the time, but some of the writers thought we should also cover our faces and look toward the ground to hide our faces when speaking with men.
@@phillipaj.5588 I'm glad you like my explanations!
@jennifereverett6298 Those Christians sadly are deceived, and Don't fully trust God's word!
Great video
Thanks Guys
Thank you for posting this!
I'm in the med device industry and I can say with absolute confidence that radiometric dating methods would never hold up to the scrutiny applied to Test Method Validation practices we employ. As you guys alluded to, most people have no idea that this is the case though; they believe that the methods have been validated and are set in stone.
please include a link to your peer reviewed paper so that others may check your integrity and qualifications.
Would love to read your evidence for that, please.
@@sids5002 i share your pain.....but we are dealing with the indoctrinated and deluded.
@@UrbFoxFact Indeed, I sympathise. It's not like there's only one dating method. There are loads.
i know nothing about dating methods....but i know poor epistemology when i see it 🤣@@sids5002
Thanks again for your time, GOD BLESS your ministry
This man's testimony and teaching is a great example of why I also am so bold to preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. It's because I too have very good confidence in the veracity and historical accuracy of the Bible, especially lately, since I've been studying the civilizations that existed in Mesopotamia from before the Flood and leading up to the days of the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Habakkuk, Ezekiel and Daniel.
Imagine if you did something useful instead.
@@adamplentl5588 Depending upon what you see as useful, I have probably already done it and found it to be vanity. So tell me, fellow traveler, what is it you believe is useful?
@@adamplentl5588 Tell me what you believe is useful. I have probably done it already and found it to be vanity and vexation of spirit.
@@jotice9 literally anything. A culinary degree would be more useful than you going on TH-cam and jerking yourself off like this.
The Bible claims that the entire Earth got covered in water from the flood. But there’s zero scientific and empirical evidence to support that claim.
As claims ≠ evidence. I cannot believe in claims without evidence.
It’s why I also don’t believe in ghosts and aliens.
Just one reason out of the million why the Bible is nonsense and a fairytale.
As faith thrives under ignorance and discourages logic and critical thinking.
never let evidence spoil a good theory|
Hypothesis. Or rather, bad hypotheses
Or the lack thereof
I am an agnostic on a journey and this is confronting to say the least.
You need to activate the "Return TH-cam Dislikes" browser extension for this
Dear God, I ask that during this person’s search for truth they discover the imprint of Your love and mercy in their heart. Amen! God already claims you as His. But sometimes it takes a little humility and legwork to feel His spirit within you. You’re headed in the right direction listening to these fine people.
Mount Saint Helens was the opening for me as it challenged my assumptions based on Charles Lyell's uniformitarian model for everything. From there I had to explore the historical nature of the Bible and it moved on from there. In 1988 or January 1993, had someone told me "you'll become a Christian, a believer in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and most importantly the life death and resurrection of Jesus Christ", I would have said they were mad, an idiot. Then March 1993, that all changed with Mount Saint Helens- Evidence for Catastrophe. Later that year I put my faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior.
We've only been studying radioactive elements for barely over 100 years and scientists think the rates must be constant 😅
They cross reference them with each other and other methods of dating to assure accuracy and reliability.
Why would radioactive decay change over time. Why would your god purposely make the age of the Earth appear older in orders of magnitude.
They are, for the most part at least, using the laws of physics that have been studied for 100s of years, we can predict, and use our scientific theories(theories are bassically laws not like a "theory") to uncover the secrets of the earth. For example with c14 diamonds, diamonds are being formed all the time, not all are billions if years old, all they require is pressure and heat to be made, hell we make them in labs all the time
In the Christian worldview, we have good reason to believe the future will be like the past because the orderly Christian God, which is necessary for science and its repeatability of experiments. With materialism, time and chance acting on matter gives us no good reason to believe materialism produced consistent from the inconsistent. We call this "justification" for a belief.
Religion is rapidly. Becoming obsolete as Stone tools The true new age is on its way. But you keep your memorabilia. Trinkets and souvenirs For the multicultural festivities. In hell
I am a Christian and believe that God created as described in the Bible, not through evolution as some Christians believe. I will detail my thoughts here because they may help others realize that there had to be a creator and that macro evolution is not plausible.
The evolutionary claim is that evolution needs a tremendous amount of time to create life at all at then a change in kinds because the changes that might occur at any point in time would be improbable (today we see minor changes within species happening very infrequently) and tiny. If all one is thinking about is that to get cumulatively big changes from many incrementally small changes, one will naturally conclude that we need much time. But there is a fly in the ointment.
The theory of evolution has the problem of living organisms with relatively short lifespans and which can't wait long periods of time for all parts to evolve--certainly no longer than their lifespan but realistically no longer than a few minutes since life can't exist at all without all parts. But even inanimate objects can pose a problem. Mousetraps, for example and if they could evolve, would rust and rot, leading to degradation of quality and functionality while waiting for all parts to evolve.
Organisms don't live forever, and skeletons with blood (heart, blood vessels, and the blood itself) can't wait even a generation let alone millions of years for the next bodily system (nervous, respiratory, muscular, endocrine, urinary, immune, digestive, or the integumentary system with skin, sweat glands and more) to evolve. Even one generation is far too much time because you can't have a skeleton with blood for any period of time let alone a whole generation. Life does not occur at all if you have only a few parts. You need ALL PARTS AT ONCE!!!
Sexual reproduction in living organisms adds another layer of complexity partly because reproduction has to happen in a period of time shorter than the lifespan of the organism in order for the continuation of the species (in humans, within about a 30-year period) and because two organisms (male and female) in the same species have to evolve complementary systems/organs within a short enough period of time (not millions of years) for the species to survive. In fruit flies with a lifespan of about 40-50 days, that window of opportunity shrinks substantially. Not only that, but there are many types of sexual reproduction (e.g., bees, birds, frogs, and fish) so one can't say that the miraculously chance event had to happen only once and then was carried into all other organisms.
I have a garden, and I see infrequent micro changes happen over the years (leaf shape or color on a couple of plants), but these kinds of changes only create variation within that kind of plant (e.g., citrus or fig tree) and don't result in macro evolution. The changes are also not rapid enough to account for the initial organism coming into existence (with all parts and systems and the incredibly complex DNA code/program evolving before the organism dies and to evolve quickly enough to enable life at all) or for the creation of a totally different type of organism. Darwin himself said that incremental micro changes (better and better, more and more) over a supremely long period of time (e.g., bird beaks changing in shape and size over a generation) might create macro evolution. But as we see above, time does not work in evolution's favor.
Additionally, that DNA code (like a computer program) had to come first before even a single part of an organism means that natural selection through an organism with many parts could not have been what birthed the code--neither instantly nor over millions of years. But for DNA to exist at all (without intelligence/design/order/code/programming ability is impossible as it is needed to create the various parts of the cell), the cell''s nucleus would already have to have existed. And the only way for both nucleus and DNA to have existed at same time is through a creator. Frank Turek (not that I agree with everything he has said) gave a great example of how an outside force can overcome the laws of physics: the strength of a human arm can lift something from low to high, countering gravity. (In the same way, we see limitation after limitation in the natural world that only a creator's power and intelligence could overcome.)
Thank you 4 this
Great!!.. super calm and straightforward 🎉
And so wrong Q
@@slik00silk84
Always go with the science... Until it doesn't prove what you like 😁
@@jimhughes1070 Haven't run into that problem as I like the truth. This god crap comes from the "wishful thinking" of those who can't handle the truth!
@@slik00silk84
Bless your heart 🤣
"I thought, I do believe that". That sums up everything to be said after that statement.
Wow you're pissed that evolution is wrong.
Well someone said “and I think, God isn’t real” tells me everything I need to know about evolutionary theory.
it usually comes down to, even if God was real, I wouldnt worship him.
When the Believers say that science First Problem is “believing” now things get fun.
Born again again
I agree
When I started believing that Genesis was really historically correct
I felt
Holy Cow. This book is actually the Word of God
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yeah sure.
@@r.b.l.5841
I take it you are not a believer yet
Why does the Bible being historically correct reinforce your belief that the Bible is the word of God. The Jewish people do not claim it is historically true. And it was the book 1st. The Bible is a guide provided by God and he has not required anyone to believe it is historically correct only morally correct.
When Jesus spoke about events in the Bible, he talked about it like they actually happened.
@@tallywave25 you are correct. But you are basing that on the same book that already has contradiction in it. I mean Harry Potter talks about his history like it really happens but we know that it's fiction and that the other is using the story to get a point or lesson across to the reader. I'm not discrediting the Bible. It's central to my faith. But I understand that God's intent is to teach me lesson I need to be a better child of God.
This was awesome. Thank you so much
Great great interview. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Very useful! Thanks so much for this
A good solid discussion. Mount Saint Helens - Evidence for Catastrophe by Dr Steve Austin was instrumental in my conversion away from atheism and materialistic evolution to the Genesis flood and Genesis as being historically reliable. That was in about March/April 1993. Over the next several months I learned about Bible prophecy relating to Israel and Jesus. In October 1993 I surrendered to Christ and He saved me. Now a friend and I display materials relating to Genesis in central Oz and engage in good conversations from Genesis to The Cross.
Jesus said to the apostles "I will make you fishers of men". Great for the fisherman, not so great for the fish. Stop being the fish! The church is milking you for money, and making you revile people you normally would get along with, about things that NOBODY CAN KNOW! Stop taking the bait. Read a science book instead of a book written +2000 years ago by goat herders. They though lightning was created by god because he was angry, people got sick because god was angry with them, people died because of god's will, etc..your god appears to be an angry a$$, if you truly believe the authors.
Amen brother.
The Mount St. Helens/Grand Canyon argument is a classic example of a logical non-sequitur. Catastrophism and Uniformitarianism are not mutually exclusive. The geologic record has plenty examples of how both processes were instrumental in various land formations. To highlight one example and suppose it applies to all the evidence is a serious flaw in your logic.
@@Thin447Line Lyell and Darwin started from the position of a uniformitarian model for everything. Because of the evidence of catastrophic events, materialistic evolutionist adopted into their equation of 'punctuated equilibrium'. So something that evolutionist had originally rejected because it was too Biblical in consequence had to be adopted because of the evidence. Creationist also believe in slow and gradual processes but have always been a step ahead on catastrophic fluvial geology.
Where are you in Oz? Really interested in connecting and sharing about this to many.
Great video! Thank you
Excellent presentation
These guys are spot on. If you don’t believe the bible 100% you should not call yourself a Christian. Instead agnostic might be a better label.
That’s a bit harsh isn’t it? The only thing I have to believe is that Christ died for my sins. Or does the Bible teach that we have to believe Christ died for our sins AND that the earth is 6000 years old?
Which version is 100% right? King James? English Standard? Older versions written in Hebrew or Aramaic?
I do believe the Bible but you're reading it WRONG! The Bible never says how old the earth is. The Ancient Hebrews didn't even know where the Sun went every night!
You're wrong about this. As a Christian, I realize that ultimately, people wrote the Bible, not God. It's God's word as written by people, and in the case of Jesus and other historical figures, is a historical account. We aren't perfect, so the Bible can't be perfect. It's not possible. Only a book actually written by God can be literally perfect.
@@posthawk1393
You are 100% correct. These people worship the Bible as their "God." They cherry pick all the verses they like and totally ignore all the verses they don't like.
So glorious that God has given us His Holy Spirit to guide us into all truths. I believe in what you are doing is so important
So if it guides you into all truths, why do you believe his lies?
Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that the “Holy spirit” guides you to always believe in him regardless of what’s true?
Great video!!!👏👏👏
Eye opening!!
Uniformitarianistism versus Catastrophism
This is the question that needs discussion more often.
Research in both theories should be compared.
Anomalies that uniformitarianistism can't explain are easily explained by a recent single catastrophic global flood
I personally think the Flood was cosmic. Looking at the volcanism on Io, Mars, and Venus. Galactic jets. Galaxy collisions. Isaiah 34:4, 2 Peter 3:10, and Revelation 21:1 says the end will come by the fire of the stars falling towards the supermassive blackholes. Noah's Flood started it as a foreshadowing of what will become of our Solar System as it is vaporized to be part of the jets.
The biblical flood is nothing more than folklore storytelling. It originated in ancient Mesopotamia, and the same flood story is found in the Epic of Gilgamesh... though told slightly different, and with different characters. Many aspects of the story are impossible without a crap ton of God magic or intervention. It's a bit silly and illogical as well.
Besides, YEC science can not explain the heat problem that comes with all of the shifting and radioactive decay of organic materials over such a short period of time. This is a known issue.
@@andrewc1205 God magic...? Try Amos 4:13. God is the mind that governs all things. Understanding how the painter paints doesn't negate the painter's existence.
@Hydroverse with all I mentioned, the only thing you could bring up was the god magic? Do you have a response to the bigger problems in question?
The only reason I mentioned god magic is because the story about Noah's Ark is not supposed to involve any god magic or divine intervention. Otherwise, why go through all of the trouble of building an Ark and loading it with all those animals when he could just poof the evil away. Yet, for the events to take place, and for everything work out the way it portrays, there would have to be a crap ton of divine intervention (aka god magic).
@@andrewc1205 If the Flood actually happened, why wouldn't several civilisations have the same story reflecting the same event, but told differently? Since it was known to be true, they would all have different explanations, not necessarily copying from each other? Next, you'll tell me the Vikings, the Aztecs, and the Chinese copied the Epic of Gilgamesh too!!
The wine that jesus turned from water was a few minutes old but it was the same as a 100 year old fermented wine. In fact, if they could measure it, it would seem that way.
and Santa Claus' Reindeer are are all adults except for Rudolph which is a juvenile , this is all making sense now !
@@MrLeonightis nope you dont make sense
@@MrLeonightisyeah, but how old is blitzen?
Are you saying that God created the earth to look old and that could be measured as old?
God didn't create the Earth to look "old", He created the Earth to look MATURE, get your facts straight...
I really enjoyed this, thanks!
Can you explain time dilation and how it might be impacting the perception of the age of the universe?
I've wondered this often! If time essentially slows down as you get closer to the speed of light, then why is light not subjected to the same reality? If I travel at the speed of light, then I will age at the same speed as the light particle that I am traveling next to...
So curious!
You can't travel at the speed of light, because as your speed increases, so does your mass, and as you approached the speed of light you would have infinite mass, and time would stop.
@@levicraig6016 obviously. It's a hypothetical question meant to understand how time is experienced at light speed.
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No, I wondered whether the expansion of the universe is constant with respect to our perception of time. Could the expansion have been highly accelerated at the beginning?
@@loganfeller6737 @loganfeller6737 it's not necessarily obvious, I was simply answering a question, and I'm not particularly interested in your smug critique.
In this century, Islands have been created in a matter of a few days by underwater volcanic processes. Tsunamis can change the shoreline in a matter of hours. White moths can genetically alter to black moths or spotted if sudden pollution causes the flowers they rest on to change colour and make them vulnerable. Krakatoa changed the mountain in minutes. If the world was hotter previously these changes should have been more rapid than today.
I struggled with 6 days and billions of years until recently. I watched a video much like this. When they stated the death had to be here before sin, everything became visible to me. I now have no issues with the Bible. It was like a huge weight was lifted off me. I have to accept that the Bible has no errors if I am to believe that Christ died for me.
I thank you for producing this video because it helps me to be equipped to argue the age of the earth.
Thats good news brother, I hope to be there soon as well!
@@eliwilliams4686May I ask what is the issue you are are having difficulty with?
Carbon dating to be brief, it's hard for me to accept a young earth view with the scientific data we have available. Although I do believe in creation. @@warnerchandler9826
Amen, brother! Those moments are so awesome!
Go to the Smithsonian in D.C. and see skeletons. Then go to Utah & Colorado and watch them dig up bones. Go to college and study geology & archelogy. Study astronomy and math. Then you can learn the chemistry on how to make good "apple pie" moonshine!
Great Video! Definitely Sharing this to glorify God.
Great video. Straightforward and well explained.
How would you know if it was straightforward lol😅 clown
You're the one posting messages all over the comment section and I'm the clown? Okay 🤡😂
And if the dating laboratories say that young rocks are difficult to age accurately (being 350,000 to 2.8 million years off like with Mount Saint Helens), a young Earth of only about 6,000 years would also be difficult to age.
Dating laboratories? These frauds selected a test (Potassium Argon) that they KNOW is not suitable for material younger than 350,000. This is willful satanic deception
Peer review
@@matt8264is that why all the other planets are round...were the only flat planet aye? 🙄
@@vickyesperanza8267 Something can well be round AND flat, just like yummy pancakes... just saying. Planets are not just "round", they are nearly spherical.
@@vickyesperanza8267 Everything is located in the firmament not millions or billions of miles away. You cannot land on the moon or another planet. Again they were known as wandering stars for millennia.
In regards to your comment: The other planets are round so the earth must be round is akin to saying all the billiard balls on the pool table are round so the table must be round. Faulty logic.
Once again, great production value. CMI nails it!
full of nonsense...for sure
@@Gecmajster123456Why?
Do you have something better we should believe?
@@Apollos2.2 so you believe the Earth is 6000 years old?
@Gecmajster123456
Yes, I believe it's aprox 6,000 years old.I don't believe it's millions of years old.
Neither of us were there to see it form by itself or be created, so each of us are relying on evidence presented by people that believe like us.
Since we cannot "know" for sure how old the earth is, well not like the same way we know gravity works, we all believe or have faith about it.
Usually, what determines how you think about the age of the earth evidence, is whether or not you believe God exists. It's not a 100% correlation but I don't know any atheists who think the earth is young.
I think the better question is, do you believe in the God of the Bible or any god at all?
@@frigyou1078 shocking..
Great video thanks 😊
so you determine what you want to believe and then make everything else fit?
@@OnivertInHouston if you don't understand how stupid trying to throw THAT back at someone is.. 💀💀💀 bruh...
We KNOW how life works and what you need for it, and that is OUTSIDE of our planet too, and of the billions of possibilities out in space... How CAN'T there be life? Use your head once.
@@lxw6657 Bruh, yes compounds exist outside of earth to make organic compounds BUT just because life exist on Earth via organic compounds does not mean they can randomly assemble in other planets and spawn life. On earth life was created. If you're honest with yourself there is no way DNA code could randomly arrange itself, mathematically impossible. And if it did, no way it could evolve into humans through random mutations. If you believe that, you believe some pretty stupid assumptions.
That way of thinking leads you to false ideas. Listen carefully to people who have contrary views to your own. Keep doing this on a fegulat basis and truth will be yours. Grace
I believe in God because that makes sense to me.
it's called "confirmation bias"
I came to grips with this argument years ago when I realized that the Pentateuch was Jesus’ bible. If he was truly who he said he was, then he would have clarified any errors. He never sat the disciples down and said that the creation story wasn’t really six days, but several thousand, or millions of years. What many Christians tend to overlook is that His resurrection is what affirms a literal interpretation of scripture.
The writers of the gospels thought the Earth was a Flat Disk, covered by a solid plate (FIRMAMENTUM in the Vulgate or Rakia in the Hebrew) immersed in the infinite waters of Chaos. Exactly like the Babylonian and Egyptian creation stories say.. Yeah, the inerrant book screwed that one up. Too bad you are too full of pride, the sin of satan, to look into the real meaning of Christianity.
The literal creation story also tells us that the sabbath of the Lord is not Sunday, but the seventh day, which is the true Sabbath starting from Friday evening at sunset to Saturday sunset. But how sad that many Christians neglect researching the matter of the fourth commandment. They discard it and make all kinds of excuses that are not biblical.
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If you search you find that the Chabad, has nothing to do with Saturn's day or your god. Like the 7 day week, It comes from the Babylonians. The people of Mesopotamia feared the God Enlil would try to kill humanity again by sending a great flood as he had when humanity had become to numerous and noisy.
Noah is just the Jewish version of Athrahasis of Akkadia who built an ark and saved life. A thousand years later the myth was copied by the Babylonians as Unapishtin who was used by the Jews for the Noah myth.
Orthodox and conservative Jews to this day have a list of prohibited activities. It is not a day of "rest" and worship. It was a day of prohibited activities.
The Apostolic Catholic Church made Sun day Dominĭcus, the 1st day of the week, a day of Mass obligation because it marks the day of the resurrection.
@@beatricepineda5923I hear you, you are right, cuz that's what the Bible says
My unbelieving husband's reaction to my stating that I'm starting to believe in flat earth told me everything I needed to know...
He's going to get the divorce he asked for(yes, there's a lot more to it than just this). Anytime I mention anything Godly, he responds with so much hate it hurts. I cannot tolerate that in the home I pay for.
I’m curious, how did u end up with an unbelieving husband, did u come to God during your marriage, just curious that’s all?
God please heal this situation, and be glorified.
🙏resolution
When a claim made by man and the evidence of the world do not agree, I wonder which is closer to God? When a man attempts to discredit the very creation itself in order to hold himself up as a higher authority, I wonder which he serves, God or himself....
I pray that the lord will comfort you. As you go down the questioning path, as Jesus for guidance, wisdom and truth. The fear if the lord is the beginning of wisdom. Because what good is knowledge without wisdom. I have questioned my faith (while still holding on to it) through evolution, flat earth etc. So what id like to say is in summary, what this video is about is observation (which the scientific method is) and how radiometric dating has assumptions because you cant observe the past. What can be observed in the present? Earth itself. How has earth been observed? What is the conclusion based on the observation? Just a thought to saturate in. Im sorry about your divorce. A husband should be able to sit and talk, discuss with his wife. and not hate. Just first go to Jesus for wisdom and pray on it. He will show you through his word. God bless you on your adventure with him.
It is without a doubt certain that if you do not know the original state of a sample you CANNOT know how to properly age said sample. Another outstanding point!
@omutvtube3910 you can say that about absolutely every historical artifact in existence. Maybe all of history is a lie because none of us was alive to see it?
You are acting desperate with your logic. That is concerning....
@@chad1682 More faith than logic. Although, great faith usually leads to insightful logic because believing something is possible can lead to profound discovery. And I’m desperately trying not to laugh.
@@omutvtube3910 You are desperately trying not to laugh about what?
You are totally ignorant about a subject so you mock those who put in the time to learn about it.
That is the sin of pride. Repent now!
@@chad1682 Maybe I wasn’t specific enough. What I meant is that from the beginning, AND THROUGHOUT YEARS, no one can see what effects an object endures so that when dating anything it is easy to misdiagnose how old something is. That’s actually less logical & prideful ASSUMING things about a specimen without documenting its journey and what may alter its state to make a measurement illogical. This actually happened and why I laughed because it made me think about this time where layers were dated millions of years by a geological expert when the lake being observed was only 10 years old and the layers were only as old. I apologize if I sounded prideful that was not my intention. I hate pride and know it alls. When you can’t be wrong you’re already wrong. A wise man once said, “And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.” Again I did not intend to sound arrogant, maybe I need to work on the way I present.
@@omutvtube3910 You are still repeating the exact same mistake. You need to learn the basics of a scientific concept before you can debate the subject with anyone. If you cannot be bothered to learn about it then nobody will be bothered to give you a serious conversation.
What if someone never read a single chapter of the Bible but then proceeded to lecture you on the subject? I suspect that you would be shocked and annoyed!
The second thing , it's very simple if i have 1 assumption for measuring age it can't be right in every method of measuring if it isn't true. If I have radiology method , sediment, solar observations, stars on the night sky, and other. Telling me its this age so all methods can't be wrong and say the same age.
Once again pleasant to listen to this discussive style! Good job transforming your "how" without compromising any of the "what" as an organization.
It's actually called a Patsy discussion where the interviewer puts facile obstacles in the guest's path, and holds his cheek intoning Mmmmm whenever he tries to get some malarkey across the line .
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Cynicism doesn't help prove an opposite view either.
@@Eddie33154 Someone has to say it
Totally agree, Dorothy Dix questions are created to appeal to non-thinking and weak willed personalities who are easily misled. Sorry thats the truth of it !!! @@mikev4621
@@mikev4621,
sorry, but you haven't contributed anything usefull yet ('Dude') !
That idea of there being no fallen humanity (therefore no death) before Adam & Eve’s, ah, eating of the forbidden tree, is really a great point which i hadn’t heard before.
One of the things that solidified my belief in things which society deems as fairytales, such as Creation by God, and Noah’s Ark, was knowing that Jesus spoke of early biblical creation, and of Noah. Good enough for Jesus, good enough for me.
I am a Christian and believe that God created as described in the Bible, not through evolution as some Christians believe. I will detail my thoughts here because they may help others realize that there had to be a creator and that macro evolution (a change of kinds) is not plausible.
The evolutionary claim is that evolution needs a tremendous amount of time (after an origin of life event that they've failed to explain: a few basic amino acid building blocks in a laboratory is highly insufficient) for a change in kinds to occur because the changes that might occur at any point in time would be tiny (today we see minor changes within species happening very infrequently). If all one is thinking about is that to get cumulatively big changes from many incrementally small changes, one will naturally conclude that we need much time. But there is a fly in the ointment.
The theory of evolution has the problem of living organisms with relatively short lifespans and which can't wait long periods of time for all parts to evolve--certainly no longer than their lifespan but realistically no longer than a few minutes since life can't exist at all without all parts. But even inanimate objects can pose a problem. Mousetraps, for example and if they could evolve, would rust and rot, leading to degradation of quality and functionality while waiting for all parts to evolve.
Organisms don't live forever, and skeletons with blood (heart, blood vessels, and the blood itself) can't wait even a generation let alone millions of years for the next bodily system (nervous, respiratory, muscular, endocrine, urinary, immune, digestive, or the integumentary system with skin, sweat glands and more) to evolve. Even one generation is far too much time because you can't have a skeleton with blood for any period of time let alone a whole generation. Life does not occur at all if you have only a few parts. You need ALL PARTS AT ONCE!!!
Sexual reproduction in living organisms adds another layer of complexity partly because reproduction has to happen in a period of time shorter than the lifespan of the organism in order for the continuation of the species (in humans, within about a 30-year period) and because two organisms (male and female) in the same species have to evolve complementary systems/organs within a short enough period of time (not millions of years) for the species to survive. In fruit flies with a lifespan of about 40-50 days, that window of opportunity shrinks substantially. Not only that, but there are many types of sexual reproduction (e.g., bees, birds, frogs, and fish) so one can't say that the miraculously chance event had to happen only once and then was carried into all other organisms.
I have a garden, and I see infrequent micro changes happen over the years (leaf shape or color on a couple of plants), but these kinds of changes only create variation within that kind of plant (e.g., citrus or fig tree) and don't result in macro evolution. The changes are also not rapid enough to account for the initial organism coming into existence (with all parts and systems and the incredibly complex DNA code/program evolving before the organism dies and to evolve quickly enough to enable life at all) or for the creation of a totally different type of organism. Darwin himself said that incremental micro changes (better and better, more and more) over a supremely long period of time (e.g., bird beaks changing in shape and size over a generation) might create macro evolution. But as we see above, time does not work in evolution's favor.
Additionally, that DNA code (like a computer program) had to come first before even a single part of an organism means that natural selection through an organism with many parts could not have been what birthed the code--neither instantly nor over millions of years. But for DNA to exist at all (without intelligence/design/order/code/programming ability is impossible as it is needed to create the various parts of the cell), the cell''s nucleus would already have to have existed. And the only way for both nucleus and DNA to have existed at same time is through a creator. Frank Turek (not that I agree with everything he has said) gave a great example of how an outside force can overcome the laws of physics: the strength of a human arm can lift something from low to high, countering gravity. (In the same way, we see limitation after limitation in the natural world that only a creator's power and intelligence could overcome.)
Because they come from the Jewish Faith, the faith Jesus grew up in and followed. Of course he spoke about those things 😂
@@Vekkgods You fail to realize that Jesus fulfilled many prophecies from the Old Testament about a messiah who would die for the sins of the world, to atone for them or pay the death penalty on our behalf, because God is *that* serious about sin/rebellion and does not pardon (upon repentance) without justice being carried out, too, like in a real court of law. Jesus, being perfect, was the only one who could atone for our sins. (See Hebrews 9 about how he replaced the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament/covenant because they could not really atone for sin but only foreshadowed his coming.) He literally "took the bullet for you" out of LOVE for you and the desire to have you in Heaven with Him for eternity IF you will repent and serve/obey Him (your creator and savior) now, yet you mock! Psalm 22:16-17 (the piercing in hands and feet was fulfilled through the crucifixion which did not exist at the time the prophecy was written) and Isaiah 52:13 - Isaiah 53.
@@jennifereverett6298 Yes a messiah/prophet. A man sent by god, not god himself. You follow the teachings of a Jewish man who did not want to be worshipped and never claimed to be god.
And let's unpack the claim that "god created us", a supposedly all powerful being created all of humanity (capable of everything we are and having to live in a world as cruel as this, that he created) just to worship and obey him otherwise we are subject to eternal unimaginable punishment and pain. That's is not a just, nor a good creator! That is pure evil! Not someone to be worshipped, if you truly believe the bible and think god is good then you clearly cannot comprehend the difference between good and evil.
@@phillipaj.5588 I edited my first comment to clarify that evolutionists do not claim that it started the origin of life. The origin of life is a separate event that they also have not explained.
It took me a while to understand that the real person I needed to share my faith with was with myself. It took debate with an outsider to realize that while faith comes from hearing, the only real person who needed to continue to hear it was myself.
I visit the Grand Canyon and they have a historical walk showing the age of the canyon, yet what is missing from that walk is faith. That is I don’t just believe that God created Adam as a baby, I took him to be created an adult, that takes faith to accept. In the same way no death before sin points to the willfulness of Adam’s rebellion.
Thank you for your insight.
Potassium-argon dating - The half-life of potassium-40 is 1.3 billion years, far longer than that of carbon-14, allowing much older samples to be dated.
This is an eye-opener.
I always hard trouble believing the "millions and billions of years" stories, but I didn't quite know that I could get the truth from the Bible. I had never thought of it this way before.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Loving Gods were once adolescent arsonists who drowned humans like kittens in a sack. If the One True Eternal God is made in everyone's image, what's his email/twitter handle, and does He party with Hunter B. ?
@@sativagirl1885interesting response...quite creative. If those kittens are evil kittens, mass murderers or kitty pedophiles, then your analogy would be closer to the truth of the flood of Noah.
The earth IS millions upon millions of years old and God's word declares it.
@@sativagirl1885Just pray to Him. God is above such shallow, petty BS!
The Bible aren't to be taken literally. It's inaccurate ( Jesus the Christ himself said this to his followers,)
Can't have death before sin. That is a super excellent point!
Oh really? Do you know that your Blood cells die every 3 months and your liver producers new red blood cells? And every 7 years every cell in your body is replaced? What do you call that?
Then what would have happened if Adam ate from the fruit of the tree of life?
It's pretty clear that according to the Genesis Fable he would only have lived forever after he ate the fruit.
Yes you can. Your blood cells in your body die every 3 months. Your entire body is replaced by new cells every 7 years. What do you call that?
PROVE IT.
@@Locust13 unfortunately your ignorance of scripture, while quoting from it, is your downfall here.
30:00 I always thought that was so funny. They’re basically saying “It’s only accurate for things we can’t prove”
Like gravity. It only works on large bodies, that you can't prove! Or quantum physics, it only works in such a small scale, that you can't prove.
And it's all theories, based on axioms that you can't prove!
@@kk-xs3do Pretty sure gravity has been tested on a very small scale. Although, you're kind of conflating your analogy. Gravity is to the age of rocks, however the Theory of Gravity might be more analogous to the dating method. Gravity is definitely proven, just not the "how". And if as you say, "you can't prove" these things, then I'm not sure how you could assert that it only works on large bodies, although I do understand the theory behind that.
@@kk-xs3do everything has gravity, it just gets stronger with more mass
@@kk-xs3doyou can absolutely prove the existense and characteristics of gravity. Objects of mass interact with each other in predictable ways. If we couldnt, we wouldnt be able to do things like launch rockets, fly planes, or build sky scrapers
Okay. This is quite helpful. But there’s still one argument that I can’t find a way to overcome. It’s an argument that Bill Nye made in debate against Ken Ham, and this is the argument. It’s how they see the yearly additions of layers when they take ice cores. Or tree rings. If you could solve those two for me, that would be swell! Lol
Trees can produce more than one ring per year. Each tree ring is produced by seasons of drought, or heavy rain. Ice layers can form many layers per year also.
Can you find an ice core or tree ring that goes back a billion years???
Glacial Girl. There a few P-38 Lightenings landed in Greenland during WW2.
In the 1990s ateam searched for the aeroplanes and made what should have correct calculations based on the ideas contemporary regarding how long it takes for the snow and ice to cover the aircraft, how far under the surface and their co-ordinates.
The estimated depth was about several metres.
Where the found the aircraft was a few miles off from the estimated distance and more striking was the depth, which was about 270+ feet.
Using the conventional ideas about Greenland ice layers would have meant these planes had landed centuries earlier, based on the depth alone. So there has to be a rethink as to how to interpret the Greenland ice layers. Layers do not indicate years or even change of season. In fact multiple layers can form over weeks with slight variations in temperature, a storm, wind direction changes and so forth. The surprised the scientists in the labs in mainland universities but not locals.
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Ah yes, the "if i see a hole in a wall, the wall doesnt exist" Fallacy
Thank you guys for making this video!
Yes, it has been great laughing at the ridiculous claims they make!
Many don't talk about it because that information is not pertinent to one's salvation and has not been revealed to us. It's nice to speculate, but we really don't know.
Correct but fake religions purposely call Genesis fake to lead people away
Absolutely LOVE this guy!!!❤
What a powerful ministry
Amen . Hallelujah!
Thanks
The flaw is: What do you mean by "age of a rock". If you take lava which is melted and resolidified rock, why do you take the moment of solidification as t= zero ?
Exactly. If rocks had an age,they should all be exactly the same age. Sedimentary rock isn't real rock just because it got hard. It's the lack of our language that we even call many types of matter by group names. Our labelling something is not a statement of anything factual. God brought all the animals to Adam to see what he would call them. And we have been naming sh!t ever since, and thinking that by naming something, we have somehow understood and defined it. We delude ourselves with our pattern seeking brains.
There is no flaw. If you date a piece of lava at 100 mln years, it is never younger, maybe its components are even older, but then the whole young earth story still falls apart.
@@urbanguardHow did you get that 100 million year age? We have documented age of the earth by men who witnessed and wrote it down. I'll go with that.
@@johnglad5 The men you speak of were ignorant of everything around them, couldn't read or write and probably died at 30 of something they couldn't see.
Everything was all handed down by word of mouth and written down a hundred years later by some other ignoramus who wasn't there.
We have scientists now who can actually read and write and know how to use radiometric dating, so we know how old the earth is. I'll go with that.
If the moment of solidification is not taken as t=0, you in turn have the same, if not a bigger problem with the same dating methods he's criticizing. Now you have to ask, when does t=0? If it's the moment it came into existence, let's say the Big Bang, then everything would have the same date. I think he has to take the moment of solidification as t=zero, since that's probably what the sciences say. At least for extrusive igenous rocks, and upon searching this, it appears that is when that rock is considered "born".
Anyone who understands Special Relativity knows all clocks do not run at the same rate.
What about digital?
Not even the two large atomic clocks run at the same rate, one is in denver a mile above sea level and one in London 56 feet above sea level and the one in denver runs slightly faster. They continue to synchronize them because the global positioning satellites rely on them to work correctly
@@adamguy33cool information.
And? Your point? Perhaps i dont. But either way i do understand that God records in His Word that He created the whole Universe in 6 normal 24 hour days about six thousand years ago.
So i understand thats the absolute Truth, always was and always will be, no matter what any human being says.
I also understand this fact is overwhelmingy supported by the physical evidence and that this shoild be no suprise to anyone.
@@iamshredder3587 You are not understanding what I said above about Special Relativity. All clocks do not run at the same speed. Therefore, they do not all record a "normal day". Do a little research on Einstein's "Twin Paradox" if you want to understand this. The TH-cam video "Mystery of Time" is also an excellent resource. It was produced by the Moody Institute of Science.
Keep up the good work
Thank you so much for this. The argument is made very clearly,
Clear as mud.
Love to hear you interview Richard Dawkins.
Dawkins said, on his interview with Alex O'Connor, that he wouldn't bother giving his time for generic dumbasses anymore (I'm paraphrasing here).
@@arushan54 Can you blame him?
I get sick of it after 10 minutes of that type of interaction, but Dawkins has logged *thousands of hours* doing the same thing. I have no idea how he justified going as long as he did. Better to try once, and then just leave the idiots behind. Or just don't even try. People who can't figure such hideously basic things out on their own aren't going to suddenly become smart via outside help.
What John Lennox’s discussion with Dawkins, they’re excellent
When I was in university I drove a ½ day down to ICR in Lakeside. The reason was I was surprised to be the only Christian in a creation v evolution debate. I got my hat handed to me. I wish I had the internet and tons of resources to use like now. Here, 40 years later I still remember what I could have done if only...
thanks for trying though, faith is what matters, the world will always be against God's word
@@daletaco835 you're a good man, Dale. See you up there.
@roscius6204 nice try. Explain the reality of soft tissue in dinosaurs from multiple specimens spanning 6 decades. ...or is your bias too scared to even do a Google search? Are you able to comprehend the ratification of this discovery?
How about the Organic Chemistry approach? There is no way to build left handed amino acid chains needed for life in the miniscule 4 billion years, not to mention carbohydrates, lipids, etc.
You sir, are the one leaning on faith: Not i.
This interviewee is woefully ignorant of science but don’t take my word for it, do like I do and research both sides of the issue.
@@robindhood9125 the burden of proof is on you in finding fault. I spoke of reasons why I don't believe in evolution. Please either counter them. I cannot see the evidence I've seen and evolution being viable.
Based on what I've seen in the world over the last 5 years, I can see weak minded people swallowing whatever the state spoons out. Masks any one?
Right. You keep telling yourself that.
Thank you for producing this video. I would like to add to what Mark was saying about the proof of historical evidence of the biblical validation. Everywhere there is evidence of a great deluge for instance when a man made dam has catastrophically failed the aftermath demonstrates on a small scale in comparison to what the deluge was like after the great flood of Noah. The grand canyon was formed by an enormous release of water and rocks, sediment and debris. It happened very quickly and over the thousands of years since the erosion has continued on a much smaller scale. Another thing is the observation of landslides and how destructive they are and one of the best examples is the Mount Saint Helens eruption. When you look at the amount of sediment that was moved from the mountain by that eruption it's mind boggling. The destruction of the world's land mass and the shifting of the continents during the great flood was so enormous that you really have to stretch your mind to imagine the destructiveness that took place. The evidence is in the aftermath which, we see all over the world. When you examine the evidence from a perspective of an astronaut and a geologist you can see very plainly what the effect of the great flood did to reshape the world. I would love to share more of my observations with you and Mark.
I was just reading your comment. In it, you mentioned the shifting of the continents indicating that the force of a great flood caused this. The flood supposedly destroyed all life on land. So, how did life get across the oceans? Did not NOAHs ark come to rest on the mountains of Ararat. Genesis 8:4 says, "Then the ark rested in the seventh month, the seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat." So life had to cross vast oceans in order to inhabit those lands, did it not? I believe that there was a catastrophic flood in the Mediterranean. If you go back throughout history regarding this particular area and look at evidence that is found today, there are towns and cities found deep beneath the Mediterranean Sea. This is a clear indication that the Mediterranean sea back then was much smaller. When the land bridge between Europe Gibraltar and North Africa existed, this was like a natural dam, therefore separating the Atlantic ocean and the Mediterranean basin. Now imagine an earthquake happening in that particular area and the natural dam broke because it became fractured and the millions of tonnes of water pressure bearing down on it from the Atlantic ocean. Now imagine that wave that would travel across the Mediterranean basin. Bringing water levels up to the level of the Atlantic. This would appear that the flood was global to those people and explains why so much evidence can be found of such an event because of all those submerged towns and cities in the Mediterranean. The story of this supposedly global flood has been handed down from generation to generation, which is why most of the world's cultures speak of such an event. So yes, a great flood in the Mediterranean did happen, but I doubt very much that it was global.
The amount of dirt moved by an exploding volcanoes has no comparative relationship with rain water accumulating on Earth. Accumulating pools of water don't explode dirt revealing an underbelly of rock and lava. Water weighs down the surface, doesn't cause land to rise up into mountains, etc and especially for less than one year.
I do believe there was a great flood, but if anything serious happened to the Earth to transform it, it wasn't because of a single event due to water, it was geologic in nature over vast eons of time, not hydrologic over a one year event.
flood of Noah. 🤣
@oscarsotelo8548 Is that it? have you nothing more to add to your comment? At least you could give some reasoning with evidence backing up what you have to say. I would love for you to share with us your reasonings on this subject, but only if you can prove what you say with evidence to back up your claim. 🤔
The Grand Canyon is a classic example of slow water erosion happening over thousands of years. There is a massive body of evidence to support this. Least not the fact that is observed to be still happening.
Actually the problem is with the translation of the Hebrew word, "YOM". Yom is translated as "day" but it really is a period of time. It is sort of like the English word, "day". If I say, " The day of the dinosaur," I am speaking of a period of time when there were dinosaurs. In some parts of the Bible, YOM is translated as "Eternity". Unless you think we will live for only one day after death, and resurrection, this is a problem. This entire testimony is off because of a bad translation of old Hebrew. The Bible actually lines up well with science when the words, like YOM, are translated correctly, This video is suspect because two people that believe the same thing discussing the topic. Not a real exchange of ideas, but coming from an assumption that the world is 6000 years old and trying to prove it.
Duh, what do you know? The English word us used same way. So what's your point?
@@kennethhiggins5508 The point is the world wasn't created in 6 day. Faulty translation.
i have a question, using the flood as our source of most if not all major bodies of water on earth. How do we explain the fresh and salt water bodies, if they were all mixed together at one time? also how did fish survive the presents or absence of salinity during the flood event itself? More of an issue with the creation of salt water bodies, versus fresh water bodies from the immediate post flood era..
@briansmith5912 Simple: the flood never happened, because it is physically and scientifically impossible. Even as a miracle it's a poor example of bad storywriting.
@@urbanguard Even Atheists know the earth has been flooded most likely due to pole shifts or heating on the earth. Scientists have shown the entire North of Africa was inundated by a massive tsunami about 12600 years ago as evidenced by the rolling hills around the eye of the Sahara all the way to Egypt. China also has the Gun-Yu story of a massive flood. Matter of fact there are over 40 flood "myths" across the major continents. 1 or 2 I could call myths but over 40? No.
There has been sufficient time since the flood for the present salinity levels to exist in our oceans, given the current rates of erosion and deposition of dissolved salts into the oceans. The salinity levels rose gradually, fish can be quite adaptive. There are many examples of fish which can survive both in salt and fresh water. There are sharks and other fish that regularly swim from the ocean into freshwater rivers. There are amazing adaptive mechanisms that have been built into the genetic code of living organisms.
@@urbanguard The flood did happen. It is not "impossible." Saying it is impossible does not make it so. The evidence for the flood is actually quite overwhelming--if you actually look at it.
@@dooglitas We have evidence of relatively tiny local floods from much longer ago, because they happened and they left the telltale signs all over the place.
If there was ever a worldwide flood of those proportions this recent, it would leave massive amounts of evidence, science would know about it and be all over it. They are not, because it never happened. It's actually quite simple.
It all makes sense, it's clear and obvious, therefore we must stop skipping those parts of Genesis that assure us we're not living on a crazy ball turning and flying somewhere through the unknown.
My book says we are on a spinning ball tho. How do we know who is right?
This is really good. Thank you!
Fantastic!, thank you cmi for producing this. May GOD bless you and your work
which god should bless him? allah? vishnu? or your special flavour of god?
This really helped me, thank you so much!!
helped you what?
Motivated reasoning. You have motivation to find out that the 6000 years old we are scientist has the motivation to find out what the truth is. You start with your conclusion that it must be 6,000 years old and then you find the evidence to fit that where scientists look at all the evidence and conclude what is most probable most likely to be true
Evolution theory starts with the assumption that the Earth is billions of years old and they make the evidence fit that narrative. So, there are aspects that depend on your worldview. The main test is: are there other evidences in historical books, archaeology, cosmology that support your theory. And in this sense, Creation comes on top (if you're non-biased).
@@GuillermoPerez-qg8mz ouch. Zues comes on top if your non baised. if i or say somthing that does not make it true. how silly of you. archaeology, cosmology evideice. yes fossil records and rediometric dating. cosmology.... starts, light, distance speed, ... do you not read? is it a case of just being ignorant?
@@GuillermoPerez-qg8mz it is a proven fact that the earth is around 4.5 billion years old.
Physics do NOT change over time, you just need to learn and understand how they work, and then you can just extrapolate from that as much as you want, everything will work.
Physics DO change over time since time is relative and all matter used to be squished into one ball
@OnigoroshiZero You may assume the Earth to be 4.5 billion years old but it is not a fact, and there is no empirical evidence to certify this. Therefore, what you call fact is just a theory.
Right on time
Praise God! I had a similar liberating experience. Thanks be to God, I became a Catholic Christian about 6 years ago.
I had led a secular life including university studies in Biology. In university, the false teaching of evolution is taught with such zeal and shuns any dissent.
Once I learned more about the Truth and that the Bible is True, it changed everything. Thank you for your Witness.
Jesus said to the apostles "I will make you fishers of men". Great for the fisherman, not so great for the fish. Stop being the fish! The church is milking you for money, and making you revile people you normally would get along with, about things that NOBODY CAN KNOW! Stop taking the bait. Read a science book instead of a book written +2000 years ago by goat herders. They though lightning was created by god because he was angry, people got sick because god was angry with them, people died because of god's will, etc..your god appears to be an angry a$$, if you truly believe the authors.
You became a Catholic Christian? Sorry, but I think you chose the wrong one.
The false teachings come from Creation Universities and Christian apologists. They lie about many things and spread misinformation about evolution.
What truth have you learned from the bible?
The earth is not flat and stationary! The biblical flood is illogical folklore.
Animals do not talk, nor can they magically warp from one continent to another without any trace of evidence.
Stars do not fall to earth.
A man can not survive inside of a fish for 3 days.
All this, and much more!
The gospel accounts contradict each other in many cases.
So, what truth does the Bible hold?
And what is wrong with living an ethically good, secular life?
What in the bible made you say, yes this is true?
@pokerman9108 it wasn't the Bible. If they actually READ the Bible they might see how ridiculous it is. But they (most) are just indoctrinated from a young age.
Wow!! Great points!!
Imputing the character of God and not being willing to share the gospel because of our lack of true knowledge are incredible indictments on the Christian.
I studied geology engineering & some astronomy in college.
My thesis is if geology is past history suffering catastrophic events from the universe then astronomy must hold Events of the future.
Geology suggests the earth is ~ 4.5 billion
Astronomy now understands the earth as being ~ 20 galactic years…
Standing on the earth is 4.5 billion standard years
Standing outside the Milky Way the earth is now 20 galactic years….
So the question is where exactly is the firmament & what is it’s size?
The distance equivalent argument would be 3000 miles versus 21 feet.
In college 25 years ago, I learned carbon14 dating was affected by heat and pressure and can't be soley relied upon to discover age.
It’s a good thing we have many different ways to date age now. They are all consistent with one another too.
The cup analogy he used was an argument from ignorance.
@@Tabroski No they're not
@@usernametaken6659I’m interested to hear why you think that. Young earth creationism has not only been debunked for hundreds of years, but in a colossal amount of different ways as well. Don’t want to accept carbon dating data? Fine. Take your pick from the rest of the pile. It’s a huge pile to ignore and right off as “wrong”.
@@Tabroski "They are all consistent with one another too." I think they just proved they are not.
@@Tabroski "Young earth creationism has not only been debunked for hundreds of years" By whom and by which way?
31:36
Have non-volcanic rock samples been tested with potassium argon method and shown to produce inaccurate results?
Cant get that hour back 😅 well i was hoping for evidence but we all get let down sometimes 😢
This was really quite an amazing discussion.
? what discussion? This is just childish propaganda by a couple of people who have such an agenda they have no clue about critical thinking.
Yes amazing…amazingly stupid and in fact quite childish!! 6,000 years old?? Hahahahaha You do know that is absurd right??!!
Agreed. It was amazing how much Mark Harwood, who has a Ph.D in antenna design/computers suffers from the Dunning-Kruger effect believing that he alone knows more about all the different methods of radiometric dating and sedimentation rates, tree rings, ice cores, geologic strata etc than every single expert in the field of geology, biology, and basically every single field of science that uses this technique. He must think that the oil/gas industry that uses evolutionary theory to prospect for new hydrocarbon deposits must be all pure luck and/or Satanic magic. Or perhaps he should be out protesting NASA's Mars rovers (and helicopter) whose missions depend on millions of years worth of erosion and mineral deposits in an ancient lake?
And he didn't even provide a source to his either his own research paper or even his peer review of the existing papers! Oh he didn't write anything? I wonder why.
Absolutely amazing discussion that perfectly demonstrates the Dunning-Kruger effect.
@@boxofstars5491 There are at least 5 levels of extreme complexities, that the first cell would have to cross, in order, but without a creator, some of those levels would have to take several millions of years for the next step, without the benefit of life !
This has to make sense, science tries to dismiss our belief that the earth is millions and billions of years old with dinosaurs and stuff. I was stuck on the mystery of dinosaurs and how there couldve been people before Adam if God first made Adam. Science is an assumption of creation instead of the belief of the creator. We must believe in the Lord. My mind is blown away. Everything makes sense to me. Thank you.
cassim, we believers in God's Holy Bible DON'T believe that the earth is millions and billions of years old.
Human created religion ... We human we r God
@@firstbornlohe7578 We are made in the image of God as a by product of his extension. There has to be a beginning and that beginning must've started with God. So if you say we created God, then you must say that we conceived the idea of God from God himself in the beginning because every idea of conception came after that. We cannot base our thoughts and emotions on feeling, history is factually documented that if we were to say history is false then how can we believe we really created God. You don't even know where you came from with factual evidence that was conceived over time. So I pray for you brother to conceive of a idea greater than yourself because ultimately you will pass away but your soul I want to be saved before you reject the gospel and perish in hell.
For eternity*
@@firstbornlohe7578iohe, you speak just like Satan did to Eve.
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Please repent.
uranium-lead dating, abbreviated U-Pb dating, is one of the oldest and most refined of the radiometric dating schemes. It can be used to date rocks that formed and crystallized from about 1 million year to over 4.5 billion years ago with routine precisions in the 0.1-1% range.
But how do we know it is uniform all the way back? We don't have an absolute sample that we know is a billion years old to accurately test to know the system is accurate. Basically we have to believe it is accurate by faith.
@@jamminjimmy3848 physics don't change...
If you go back far enough the physics do change
@@jamminjimmy3848because if it was different...physics would have changed...and if that happens then ALL scientific theories are wrong...from germs to gravity.
and that is why you get numbers far from reality everytime you use this methode to messure the age of rocks with known age (Aetna, St. Helens. Krakatau, Hawaii, Island and many more)… very logical. We should determine the worth of a method by provable results, not by what a religion (Darwinism, evolutionism) commands
great content and well presented!
True faith is not blind belief, truth faith is logic as it should be. Great conversation you just shattered the doubts of millions faithful servant.
Everyone uses logic, does that mean it's always reasonable or the conclusion always correct?
THAT IS THE DUMBEST THING IVE EVER HEARD!
Amen
Blind Faith is the belief in something you Cannot See, but you hope it is true. Well, guess what the bibles say their "Faith" is? Yup you guess it, it says it's "Faith" is that exact same thing!
So like it or not, religious faith IS BLIND faith.
Just think, if any religion actually had ANY Real Evidence for its "god", then they wouldn't need "Faith"! They would be able to do what no religion has currently been able to do = PROVE their god.
@@gamesnroses7878 -- 1. You said to "Read the Bible for yourself"
I have. I was a brainwashed christian for the first 30 years of my life. I believed and wanted and even needed it to be true. I believed, I prayed. I wanted to get "closer" to that god, so I did something too few believers do -- I READ the bibles. From the very first page on... WOW!!!! Contradictions, Errors, and EVIL done by and Commanded by that "god". But... I was a believer, so I did the Pro Style Gymnastics and made all the Excuses. I kept reading. But it was tiresome having to make so many Excuses for something that is claimed to be the "Perfect and Flawless word of god". But I finished it.
I then told myself I would read it again, but that 2nd time with an OPEN MIND. I figured, IF there is a good god out there, then it would want us to ask all the tough questions. That would at least weed out all of the false gods.
So... I read it again, with that Open Mind. BOY WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!!! I could no longer deny all the flaws in there. After that 2nd reading and research, it turned me Atheist. All that means is = I see ZERO real Evidence for any god.
If only more people would actually READ those books with an Open Mind.
2. As for the Blind Faith thing, you said = "the Bible doesn’t say anything about “blind faith”.
I have to ask, have you Read the bibles? Because it describes in there what it's version of "Faith" is, and it is the same explanation as Blind Faith. Blind Faith is = The belief in something you cannot see (hence the Blind part), but you Hope is true. Do you agree that is what blind faith is?
This was true for me and most that read it with an Open Mind, problem is most believers never actually read it, instead they go to their place of worship and have the nice Hand-Picked parts read TO them =
“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov
Honestly, do yourself a huge favor, read the bibles with an Open Mind, not a Brainwashed one and ask all the tough questions you know you have. Do some research. You will find out that the stories in the bibles are not even original but plagiarized. Fact is, we were LIED to by all the religions.
Informative video. Eye opener
Brain rotting. This was full of BS that have nothing to do with actual reality.
Faucet analogy is excellent!
Who turned the water on, how high & when?
ie: THE FLOOD🌊🌊
Changes everything.
2 Peter 3:4-6 = uniformitarianism
“Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, *all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation*.
For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water,
by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.”
Are we supposed to listen to someone who by definition believes in faith with no evidence over science that continuously chases the evidence and then tests it. Strange world we live in
If I could ask him a question, it would be concerning star light and why, if creation is as young as he believes, we see light from stars many millions of light-years away? I would assume if I see light from a star 10 million light years away, that light had to have begun its journey 10 million years ago.
I suppose one could say God created the light from these stars continuous with long distances, essentially stretching light out so that man can see this part of his creation.
The speed of light and its impact on time is relative. It is possible that the light we see from far distances does actually reflect millions of years at the outskirts of the universe
The stars are fixed on the dome. There's no light-years...earth is flat ...
Adam was created as a full grown adult, yet you would assume he was around for at least 20 years
Once I learned of the three earth ages I stopped struggling with this. Once I started studying chapter by chapter verse by verse with the late great pastor Arnold Murray at Shepards chapel on you tube, I have all the answers with few questions.
Oh you have all the answers as well?
I'm looking at organising a protest at NASA HQ to stop wasting taxpayer money funding the Mars rovers and space telescopes because Genesis-literalist Christians have already figured it all out. Will you join?
Stay present at all times. Do not dwell on the past or future.
Bible gives us the end from the beginning.
Prophecy is one of the great gifts of Christianity.
Matt 24-25, Luke 21, Mark 13, Rev, Daniel & all the OT prophets… it’s over 25% of the Bible.
The future is certainly our concern.
Everything was perfect before sin, therefore nothing died prior to that.
Hi guys. Love your work but you mention at 36:20 that the river systems around the world dump about 20B tonnes of sediment into the oceans every year, which is roughly 6-8km^3 of sediment (assuming that it mainly comes from sandstone, silt and clays, roughly 2.6-3.3tonnes per m^3 in situ material), and I know that this was the current accepted geological stat agreed upon sometime in the 1980s and posted in current geologic textbooks but I was wondering if you could cross reference this figure with current GIS data?
The reason I ask this is because lately I've been seeing claims of 40,000km^3 per annum based on surveying shoreline profiles of sediment build up at the end of these main rivers and smaller tributaries, which is a factor of nearly 10,000x that figure. If the latter figure is correct, then that would mean that the earth is eroding at a far greater rate than previously claimed. Using this latter rate and dividing it into the current known landmass of the earth this would erode the current surface to sea level in ~4,600 years (discounting the addition of landmass due to uplift of the continents, which would be in the METERS if this were actually true)! I'm trying to find recent papers presenting this current GIS surveying info and can only find some obscure paper that I don't have time to scrutinize properly.
Do you mind if I ask that you check this GIS data for yourselves?
Massive event of Noah’s flood caused most of the sediment dump, about 5000 years ago
I watched something on the history channel were people doubted Noah’s flood and it was proven that there was a village that once was ans was covered with water at the time of the dlood
@joannea1686 the flood was global. It destroyed the entire earth ..in fact tectonic plates broke up and reshaped the land masses ..it was a complete and total catsriphic event for the entire globe..where 8 people were saved..possible more than a billion people perished in that disaster ..it was judgement on the earth by God..and it will be destroyed again..this time by fire ..you can count t on it as it's biblical and speaks of the future destruction by fire
There is also uplift due to plate tectonics that push mountains higher. There is also volcanism that puts solid material from the mantle onto the surface of Earth. This is happening today. Erosion estimates are just that, estimates. Today with Earth mapping satellites it is possible to refine that estimate.
@@joannea1686 There are numerous villages and even cities being found all the time that are currently under water. Look at the example of Doggerland (many videos with scientific studies are available on TH-cam).
The truth will set you free. Unless you decide to ignore it.
One day for the creator is as a thousand years for man