If The Earth Is Only 6,000 Years Old, How Is This Possible?
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- “How do we see starlight from billions of light years away if earth is only 6,000 years old?” Many people think distant starlight is one of the biggest obstacles to trusting what the Bible asserts about the age of the universe. Most Christians are at a loss as to how to answer this question. Join Simon Turpin and his guest, Ph.D. astronomer Danny Faulkner, as they consider God's Word and the light from distant stars.
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At the risk of being over-simplistic, why do some keep trying to explain creation with "science" when creation was supernatural, not scientific. Science cannot explain a supernatural event. The God who created the laws of science is not bound by them. He operates outside of time, distance and matter. His ways are so much higher than our ways and His thoughts so much higher than our thoughts. We are so small.
A supernatural cause yet holding to natural laws that we can observe. I always have thought God to be consistent with His Law. Not breaking it but holding to it.
Others that don't understand the outcome by an ingenious process would call it magic.
God's not bound by the laws of nature, but his creation is. Just because I build a car doesn't mean I can make it go 800 mph whenever I want. I can however add, replace, and destroy parts whenever I feel like it. Now obviously this is simplistic, but I believe it applies.
God's not bound to our ideas of the laws of nature or the universe he created it and everything we think we know about the laws of science might not line up with what God's laws are
I think people keep using science to explain it because while some people believe in the supernatural, not everyone does. Some sometimes we need science to breakthrough those walls.
And yet God is still pleased with His children seeking answers. Some of us are just built this way.
With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
With men this is impossible, but with fairy tales everything is possible
@@JuanManuel-ep8do don’t be a fool.
@@GreatOldOne9866 don't be a gullible dumbass
@@JuanManuel-ep8do only a FOOL says in his heart , there is No God
Pretty easy to explain just about everything when your God is all powerful, isn't it!
“In the beginning, Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands” -Hebrews 1:10
While many try to grapple with these types of issues, I rest in this:
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Isaiah 45:12 KJV
I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
It’s an interesting fable.
Matthew 5:11-12
@@rubytuby6369 Yes - Blessed!🙏
@@petemiller2920 Science can not explain anything, they just confirm that God did it all.
@@tonysheerness2427 Thank you for the funniest thing I've heard all year 😂
God's Awesome power is unfathomably complex, and His creation is beyond total comprehension... Science is merely our meager attempt to scratch the surface of how infinitely detailed existence is... It's difficult for some to grasp that God Almighty can literally do ANYTHING, and I Worship Him, Not His creation but the Creator Himself ❤
Thank you God for this amazing gift!!!
You are correct...God is AWESOME. In fact, we probably don't have one or even a thousand adjectives in our finite mind that could possibly describe the awesomeness of God; however, I believe even God has limits. So, to say God can literally do anything may not be 100% accurate. Figuratively, yes, God can do anything, but literally? For example, God can't lie. When he speaks, he speaks things into existence, and he wouldn't be holy if He were able to lie. Next, God can't take away free will without taking away love, and since 1st John 4:8,&16 tell us "God IS love" wouldn't taking away free will take away God since love is a principle not an emotion? And then, let's ponder these 2 questions...can God make something so heavy that not even he can lift it? Or can God make something so dense that not even he can see through it? And finally, I will close with this thought: Can God make a human go back in time? So yes, I do believe even our endless awesome God has limits.
@@brianwantz7710 going back in time... that would require power greater than light. Jesus is the light. So wether possible or not, is irrelevant, Jesus is the gatekeeper.
@Peter Steele whether that miracle can or can not be accomplished, will be something I look forward to asking him when I see him soon
@@brianwantz7710 This "Can God make something so heavy that even He can't lift it?" question clearly illustrates the limits of rational human argument. For not only the abilities, but the UNDERSTANDING of God is permanently beyond human comprehension. He is the Creator, we are the created. Love is the only transcending factor; we love Him because He first loved us. Amen.
@Ray Search "God being beyond human comprehension" ain't that the truth...but I sure look forward to spending eternity with him...I sure have a lot of questions that are definitely beyond my human comprehension.
God is going to make all things new in the twinkling of an eye.
No reason to believe that.
“Your word, LORD, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens” (Psalm 119:89). “The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever” (Isaiah 40:8). “I the Lord do not change” (Malachi 3:6). “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Matthew 24:35).
Very good discussion. I have changed my mind several times in several ways when thinking about this topic, and I think it's okay for Christians to have open minds about it. There are beliefs that are subject to change, and there are beliefs that are NOT subject to change, like God as creator of everything, Jesus as his Son and our Savior, Genesis as accurate history.
Yes, and Jesus created all things too.
God made Adam at a mature age, such as 33 years old let's say. He was a man. So if God created Man with age, then also the Universe could be created with age.
@@MilesStoner “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
King James Version (
2 Peter 3:5
Exactly right ....he created it old.
@@MilesStoner stand amazed that the Word has and explains everything............ everything. 🙏🏼
@@kentracer4129 brother in Christ thank you I had no clue 2nd Peter said that and I and I feel a kindred with Peter cuz I'm very outspoken and mistakenly outspoken often at times but humble enough to admit that, lol, All by the Grace of God!
I stand amazed at all times my brethren ... Just speaking to someone the other day and I was like I think God's trying to show off, as a joke tho, but I'm driving home in the car last night and I say to myself how do people not believe that God has revealed himself in this way when no man could do it. We couldn't string together these things that have lasted for thousands of years and generations it would be virtually impossible for us to do. Virtually, it's impossible for humans to this. Especially when you consider the story going from Jew to Gentile and it not benefiting the apostles it didn't benefit Jesus it didn't benefit the patriarchs from the Old Testament. All these men wore gained nothing other than God's presence, which to me is the goal it is the end game... To be in the presence of God Eternally.
Amen, thank you for sharing my friend
We will never really understand until we are standing infront of the father and he tells us how it all works . For now we can have ideas and theories but that’s what it will always be. God bless you all !
We read in Jer 51:15 that the Lord stretched out the heaven by His understanding. I imagine that as time, space & matter were created, it also affected distance and all of this was being stretched out. The speed of light itself, being part of that creative work was stretched, so it seems conceivable that it all took place almost instantaneously but then slowed to its present expansion speed.
That’s my position as well
Stretching can explain why we can see millions of light years away. It could also complement a kind of a big bang and creation explains how God reformed the earth six thousand years ago.
@@dok9024It was FORMED, not reformed!
That last complete comment from the doctor was like a compilation of all the theories of late, it was most comprehensive. I so appreciate him and your podcast ❤️
None of the nonsense this grifter presented count as Scientific Theories as they have absolutely no demonstrable facts to back them up. To even label them as hypotheses would be far too generous.
You are been brainwashed by an ideological based pseudoscience version of the real sciences, talk about twisting of fact and moulding it to suit faith, this is laughable yet you lap it up because it reaffirms your own desire to want to belief, you are suffering confirmation bias where you seek out in science only that that can be applied to the bible supportively.
From Southern California. Great information and thank you for sticking to the authority of Scripture especially for creation week in Genesis 1! Yes, creation is a miracle spoken into existence by Jesus.
Finally, a straightforward mistake by a creationist; Jesus could not have created the world 6000 years ago because he only came into existence 2000 years ago!
So true...Man, since the garden has always thought the order of things should be based on our understanding...not God's power.
They haven't stuck to the scriptures at all. They claimed they stuck to the scriptures but then talked about the satanic heliocentric model as if Satan is now God.
We're lucky to see *any* starlight in So Cal!
Thank you, @boysmusings6395.
Really great content and this tracks with my private belief of the way miraculous creation of a fully formed universe then entered a "run time" fully functioning universe.
Science proves a young earth is impossible
@@missouritravelersplease explain. Formerly, I agreed. But, the quest for a more robust understanding of science, particularly quantum physics, has lead me right back to the unseen realm!
Great job, Dr. Faulkner. You kept your explanation Biblically acceptable.
@@nathancook2852 Nathan, I have heard many different guesses as to the age of the universe. Some are several billion years in difference. I am not sure which one you hold to but I will assume the most commonly accepted one is now 13.8 billion years in age. How would you explain the fact that the furthest stars apart in space are over 90 billion light years away from each other? I also would ask if you think that it's coincidence that the moon and the sun are just at the right distance from the earth to provide total obscuration during an eclipse. The statistical probability of that happening by chance is fairly impossible but rather than see it as an obvious sign of a creative work, it seems that there is a cognitive dissonance that makes us want to chalk that up to chance. In the end, we will all find out the truth. In the meantime, I will trust the one who made all of these things come to be and I will pray that you will someday as well. We will all die and if I am wrong and there is no creator and the universe came into existence by chance, I won't know the difference. I have seen so many proofs of design, I will simply trust the Bible.
How can a finite mind understand an infinite mind.
The Genesis creation story sounds more like an ignorant mind. The writer didn’t know that the sun is a star, that the moon doesn’t give off its own light and that the earth orbits the sun.
Yes! 👍🏼
@@davidgardner863 The earth is flat.
@@emojidinosaur7300 , Then why can’t we see the North Star and northern constellations from Australia?
@@davidgardner863 in order to determine if the ground is flat, I must look up???
Watching from S Carolina, USA. God bless AIG
@ Chris' Wife - it's inaccurate to say that we don't know what a star is because we're studying the one that's 93,000,000 miles away from us… Our own sun. We know how that particular star behaves and we're able to recognize similar behavior in distant stars.
But when I read Genesis regarding the 6 days of creation I followed the formula I was taught early on… Look at words and phrases that are repeated again and again. Consider the biblical audience it was originally written to, look for patterns and rhythms. And during days 1-4 you're seeing separations and clarifications. You're seeing void and obscurity become defined and clear. You're seeing chaos become order. And you don't have something defining a 24 hour day until day 4. And I think it is odd that he says "then there was evening and there was morning the first day" and so on. I don't see that defining a 24 hour day ...placing lights in the sky to define a 24 hour day happens on day 4. Prior to that evening to morning could very well describe moving from void to something, chaos to order, obscurity or confusion to clarity and so on. God is the master of time not the other way around. God exists outside of time, space, matter, energy, and our physics ...otherwise he couldn't have created them. He's not from this realm… We are of this realm because we were created in it. We are bound by this realm but he is not. We don't know what his "day" consisted of in the beginning… He gave US a 24 hour day on day 4. That's what I read. It doesn't make him less of a creator. But it relieves us of the burden of trying to comprehend how he went about it because he is clearly way beyond our comprehension. He gave us a sequence of events and outline to go by and the rest is faith.
100% there’s no reason to believe that every part of the creation story is literal. It literally can’t be as you said there can’t be days with an earth spinning around a star. I have no problem with the earth being billions of years old as the objective evidence indicates and god created so of it. The only reason that can’t be true is because zealots say so
I really don't care if it's literal or if in the words of DEVO 'God made Man, but a monkey applied the glue'. That's God's problem, not mine. Only thing I have to really worry about is being Saved. That's it. None of us were there, and so none of us really knows what happened, from the creation scientist to the most materialistic atheist. We weren't there. I listen to JMG videos and it gets so funny when he finds himself basically postulating God without just going ahead and saying the G-word when he gets into Simulation Theory, but nobody knows. Nobody knows. We weren't there. All I have to do as a Christian, in the words of CS Lewis, is to think Christianity reflects reality better than the other belief systems.
God never created chaos in creation.
@@thomasspringer5187 Nor play dice with the universe....
@@thomasspringer5187 evil seems pretty chaotic for starters. Where do you get that from? What is your definition of chaos and what does that have to do with an omnipotent being? The hubris it takes to talk like you're god, it's ridiculous, and you don't even realize you're doing it. What you think or want or would do has nothing to do with anything.
I like everything Danny said, and think his Dasha solution could be correct.
It may be compatible the ASC concept, described at time 16:00 through 17:00 in the video, which I think is true.
But at time 16:24+ when describing a convention with an infinite speed of light outgoing from its source, I think Danny accidently said the returning speed of light was 2c, (or twice the measured 2-way speed of light, c), on its return trip distance, d, from the mirror, when I think he meant to say it was half the measured 2-way speed of light, or 1/2 c.
1/2c over returning distance d, combined with an infinite speed over the outgoing same distance d, averages for a combined speed equal to the measured 2-way speed of light, c, (over the combined distance 2d).
Thanks for this video.
Sometimes thinking too much is most of the problem
Occam's Razor has no place in this discussion!!! ;)
Live in the present moment
Not thinking at all is a bigger problem.
@@Name92391 It's also the solution to all problems. Just like alcohol! (ht: Homer Simpson. . .)
thinking to much is the reason why out culture advance. if we did not do that we will be still in the stone age
A humble, inquisitive mind is a good thing. Our natural arrogance is not a good thing. Read and ponder God’s response at the latter end of Job. When i consider how many times our smartest men have thought that they had something figured out only to later be proven entirely incorrect I am instantly skeptical when I hear someone who thinks they know something.
If we can only discover how to travel from place to place like Jesus in a twinkling of an eye 👁🗨 , distances no longer a problem. Lord teach us Your Ways is my prayer.
Even arrogance, in the service of God, is a Good thing. Read Paul. In Church many Christians and most pastors adopt a fake humility which is basically effeminate hypocrisy. The Bible not only condemns homosexuality, but also "soft men" at times rendered effeminate. Calling someone a gentleman is actually a Biblical insult. The evil Chivalry of Aquitaine has deeply corrupted the Church.
It is for women to be soft. A hard man is in general a blessing, physically, mentally and spiritually. There is a time to be gentle for a man, in dealing with the broken hearted. If you read most of what Christ did and said, most of the time He was neither meek nor gentle.
Or as a recent book declares, It Is Good to Be a Man.
Brisbane Australia
Love your work ❤️
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@@justinpfrunder5951 huh?
@@justinpfrunder5951 I think it’s 8631 turtles
The mental gymnastics here would win an Olympic gold medal
exactly... these people jump through all these hoops, simple answer is if you think the earth is 6000 years old you are a MORON of biblical proportions :) lol
No one required you to watch here did they boy
@@JohnnySilverfoot Tortured arguments, trying to squeeze troublesome scientific facts into Bible ideology.
AGAIN SON..NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR INPUT
@JohnnySilverfoot How come your input is OK but others are not?
God spread out the stars and the heavens, So the light was left behind! GOD SPREAD THEM OUT WAY FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT AS WE UNDERSTAND IT!❤😂
What if God, before time existed in eternity past, conceived the cosmos fully complete, then when He spoke each day into existence, it came to be in a form that is billions of years old, as each day proceeds forward in real-time? That would satisfy the six days of creation, the distant starlight problem, and would not contradict the Biblical genealogy and prophecies of God's word.
The Earth is where the Biblical story begins. Our Salvation is what His story is about, and Jesus, the Word of God, is the story's hero.
2 Peter 3:5 “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
He created them........old already.
You have the right idea, Ezekiel 28:11-19 KJV happened before Genesis 1:2. The sin of Lucifer caused the original Earth to receive judgement and he was cast out of God's presence. Some people argue with this idea, but a close look proves it true. The word "Darkness" in verse two means death, misery, chaos, and destruction. This is one of the only two places in the Bible that use this spelling. Before Adam or Eve sin, Satan already exists and is calling God a liar. The simple fact is, sin existed before this recreation, it entered into the world through one man, Adam. Genesis also makes it ancillary when it nonchalantly says, he made the stars also.
I could go on and on about this subject but it is TH-cam and I have 1 finger typing.
And the main theme of the Bible is not about salvation of man, it is about the restoration of the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven. It is about the throne that only God belongs on and the eternal judgment of sin. The two Kingdoms are not the same thing. One is physical and the other is spiritual.
That doesn’t explain the distant starlight problem. The light we are seeing today from stars that are millions of light years away had to travel millions of light years to get here.
@@kentracer4129That is not what Peter is saying. He’s only saying that God’s word was the active agent in the creation of all, and that unbelievers willingly forget that. Genesis only gives a specific timeline for creation of all life on earth and everything that is needed to sustain life on earth, 6 days. Genesis 1: 1-2 do not give a timeline for the creation of the “heavens and the earth”. It is not outside the realm of possibility that the universe/earth was created and that much time passed before God spoke life on earth into existence.
Hello AIG from Fairfield, Montana! Looking forward to what you have to say about distant starlight. From what I have read, it seems the secularists not only have their own problems with distant starlight, but they also have far more problems, many of which are far more serious, and many of them fatal to their secular model.
Aloha and God bless! Keep up the good work!
I don't know what you have read, but none of the "problems" which you allude to but don't specify are details of interpretation which in no way alter the confirmed facts of at least 13 billion years
@steve pierce "are details of interpretation which in no way alter the confirmed facts of at least 13 billion years"
Confirmed facts? That statement alone exposes either your utterly inexcusable ignorance or your total disrespect of how science works (unless, of course, you're only five).
Hello!... No mortal human being has any way to confirm the universe is 13 billion years old. You may think you "know," but it is incredibly delusional to claim that you know.
And if you're not willing to face the facts concerning the limitations of our finite existence, then no amount of actual evidence will ever persuade you to submit to the objectivity of the measurable and testable physical facts and evidence.
For instance, the big dud model's most qualified proponents predicted that the galaxies furthest from us should appear to be much older since they would have had longer to develop.
Our model's proponents, obviously, predicted they should look about the same as ours.
And, as usual, guess whose model aligns with the observable facts and evidence?
Not yours, in case you're unable to even think against your preprogrammed dogma.
If I were you, I'd be pissed off at them because of how they've been duping you with such weak and easily refuted propaganda jabs. But not nearly as pissed as I'd be at myself for allowing it in the first place.
I mean, how many times do they have to be caught lying, withholding, maligning, and modifying the physical evidence before you begin to question the validity of the things they're saying?
@@stevepierce6467 you mean the theory of 13 billion years, just like the "theory" of evolution, not fact
@@SavedbyGraceAlone1962 Based on analysis of known scientific measurements, such as the speed of light and many other things, 13+ billion years is accepted scientific fact, just as the "Germ Theory of Disease" is a fact.
Where is Fairfield Montana near? I live in Montana. Never heard of your town.
The ancient near east did not view time strictly as incremental units of measurement, but rather the period in which processes unfold.
I really like this guy. Nice to have someone on our side with expertise to explain this question. I’ve always just believed it by faith understanding that my thinking is finite and God is God. But love it when things God has done gets “scientifically” proven. Love it
....except for the fact he didn't explain the question and what "expertise" ? What was "proven" here ?
@@thecollector6746 Exactly! These young earthers start off with a bias: Creative days must be literally 24 hours. All the explanations are necessitated to retain that bias. Remove the need to throw all this together in six literal days and the existing science isn't a problem. It is the bias that leads this combat against Occam's Razor. As you point out, he didn't reach a solution, just conjectures.
Do you even understand what it means for something to be scientifically proven.
On the side of make believe and lies.
I agree . Nature isn't natural. It's super natural. All creation is supernatural. We live in a supernatural world.
With a supernatural creator, God the Father!
No we don't. That's only your imagination
There's actually question over weather or not we can accurately measure light speed so if that's true that could offer explanation. But I'm also willing to accept the ideas in this video.
Just because there are a few pieces of data that have areas we dont understand, does not discount years of scientific observation and rigourously proven facts
Actually proven facts suggest that the speed of light should actually be labeled the "Speed of Light Interaction".
Anyone carefully hearing Einstien will notice his version of Distance is through Time Only.
Secondly the type of Wave offered by the Cesium 133 is of a standing wave. In this type of wave, placing many of these events next to each other do not match the definition of velocity.
12 dudes doing jumping Jack's next to each other (regardless how fast they are doing them). They basically remain in the same position.
Glory to God in the highest!
Amen! Good work AIG
Watching from FL, but not live
Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
several verses say God stretched out the stars.
Try this verse. 2 Peter 3:5
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
King James Version (
1st Kings 7:23 And he made the Sea of cast bronze, ten cubits from one brim to the other; it was completely round. Its height was five cubits, and a line of thirty cubits measured its circumference. So according to the Bible, pi is not 3.141592.... It is 3. The Bible is not a science book!
@@markgiovannozzi642 - the brim was a handsbreadth that makes it = pi on the outside and a little smaller on the inside.
Question? Combining creation with the prophetic time variable, even bringing up current prophetic words given by the late Kim Clement, concerning " he saw a new planet, and a strange new light appearance in our galaxy " ? Could this if it appeared in our life cycle be from the Andromeda system?
I have learned something in my life, if the Bible says so, I believe it.
@@kateescarlet9693 You don't even have a Bible do you, where in the Bible does it say that. You are probably a atheist.
The Bible is trust worthy and reliable,always !!!✝️😊
Are you still, smoking Marijuana ??? Stop!!! It is burning your atheist mind 😢
Indeed.. I crawl up on Abba Father's lap, trusting all of it unto HIM. Praise HIM, everyone!💖
@@Jesusismykin So you believe:
Talking snakes
God peeking to see if Adam & Eve were naked.
Walking sticks can turn into serpents
A sea can split apart and you can walk across it on dry land.
The 4 corners of the Earth
Noah put every kind of animal on Earth in a big boat.
God told Joshua to kill every living thing in Jericho except for one prostitute
etc. etc. etc.
Okay
How about the ten commandments, and to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
How about just believing the things Jesus taught. Is that trustworthy enough to be a Christian?.
The background information for this video says 'Most Christians are at a loss as to how to answer the question of distant starlight'. After watching the video, it seems Dr Faulkner is also at a loss. I'm happy to accept 'it's just a miracle' as an explanation, but I suspect that answer won't impress many scientifically minded enquirers.
But I think the point is that it is saying it was a miracle in such a way that does not cause more questions in science. If you take the Mature Creation view (that Dr. Faulkner rejects), that could be called a 'miracle' as well. But it causes alot of other unresolvable questions. This "Dasha" views does not give rise to those questions, so seems to be a superior view.
@@ThinkingGodsThoughts Thanks Tom for a helpful clarification of Dr Faulkner's view. I think the issue for me is that in a lot of other areas of science, Christian scientists attempt to give some sort of potentially scientific explanation for the observable evidence. In this case, Dr Faulkner seems to have just given up any hope of finding an explanation and just says 'it's a miracle that we can't explain'. As I commented, based on the background blurb, I was expecting something a bit more scientific. It would have been more honest to say ' Most Christians are at a loss as to how to answer the question of distant starlight, and so are we: so let's just call it a miracle, and move on'.
The truth is that much of astronomy is a sham "science" that exists only to support evolution.
Here's the verse which explains it. God leaves nothing out.
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
King James Version (
2 Peter 3:5
Basically he views it as a sped-up process
Would love your thoughts on the position taken by Barry Setterfield that the speed of light is slowing down, and was therefore much faster in the past. He also relates this inversely to decay rates and the extended lifetimes of the patriarchs. Thanks.
I don't know why Setterfield's idea wasn't addressed here. The energy of faster light would have been very destructive, and so isn't viable.
I completely understand and agree with the supernatural aspect, and I understand the ASC side where the mathematics for the speed of light can be manipulated using a mirror to either equal the same speeds back and forth, or infinite in on direction and twice as slow in the other. But surely if you are going to use this idea of the speed of light being "fluid" (meaning it can change) depending on the situation then there has to be a mirror involved, and correct me if I am wrong but there is no mirror between us and the Andromeda Galaxy (for instance), so we cannot use this method of thinking when it comes to the speed of light and distant stars or galaxies...
Now I can also see how this way of thinking can be applied to the conventional speed of light which was measured using a mirror, which then asks the question, surely the speed of light has to be a set number, if it is infinite or "fluid" (meaning it can change) without using a mirror then Special and General Relativity will collapse, including a century's worth of scientific theories that includes this current theory. Basically we will be back at the Newtonian theory of gravity which doesn't really explain much to us.
What if the universe was much smaller at the start? And for some reason massively expanded
Job 9:8 He stretches out the heavens. We can see that happening today. The stars of Orion's belt is widening. (Job 38:31)
They say the stars twinkle wouldn't if the stretching happened/happening faster than light wouldnt we see the starlight as a twinkle almost like a morse code signal - - - - - - -
@@ericbaer9089 Your ridiculous book of bronze aged nonsense also says that the stars are fixed in a celestial sphere, and that the Sun and Moon are both smaller than the Earth and also orbit The Earth....it claims that the Earth was created before the Sun and Moon, it says that Whales are Fish, and Bats are Birds.......
@@thecollector6746cite me where in The Bible it says the sun and moon are both smaller than the earth if you want any credibility
Lots of things are said to discredit creation or the word of God, but I often find that they have been mislead or may need to study the word of GOD more. I think it’s worth reading the word a little on some of these specific topics more may help sift through what it actually says including the context.
@@THESHOWBOAT It literally says all of this in Genesis you dolt. It's almost as if you don't actually know what's in your "Holy Book"
When God said,"Let there be light". It was so. It doesn't matter if its is billions of miles away or not.
The answer to that question lies in The creation of Man. How old was Adam when God breathed life into him? Was he a full grown Man or a Baby?
The same holds true with the universe. When He spoke it into creation it didn't have to expand or evolve, it just happened.
Most people jumped into conclusions that in this verse light is shortcut for time period when Sun light is on, by their daily experience. But this verse says nothing about time period, neither Sun, so it is better just explained as it is literally, that is day = light, than followed morning and evening be explained as between or mixed of light and darkness
Very good narrative. Thank you!
Bartlesville, Oklahoma USA
This was fantastic. I thought the Word said both "stretched" and "stretches". Anyway, I love how honest and relaxed this presentation is. I'd be interested in a more detailed timeline of a matured eclipsing binary system. The point he made is well taken, that if the eclipsing we see did not actually happen then that seems problematic. Keep these videos coming
Nothing about it was honest.
@@davidgardner863Nothing about your allegation is honest. David, are you being honest? 😊 I say that slightly tongue-in-cheek; David, the entire discussion is infused with and supported by astronomical, scientific knowledge ON WHICH he builds the conclusions. We have no such information to show your allegation is a legitimate criticism.
@@kellyhudspeth1736 , He starts out with facts and then makes up stuff to make it fit in with his belief in a literal interpretation of the creation week. I’m an amateur astronomer and if you knew anything about astronomy you would know I’m being honest and he isn’t. He like all creation scientists is being dishonest because he tosses out everything we know as fact if it doesn’t fit his belief. He starts with a 6000 year old universe as a given and goes on from there.
@@kellyhudspeth1736 Do you ever listen to Stuart Burgess? He's got some incredible presentations about the design of man.
It's not problematic for God, no more than Jesus turning water into wine without an actual history, but a perceived history of fermentation.
We have to keep two major points in mind: 1) God did what is in the Bible. 2) The stars are there for reasons. If humans couldn't see the stars, then what good would they be? My personal belief is that since God made the rules, he suspended the rules during creation and then set the rules -- including light speed. If you think about this, it explains why we can see the stars, but then light speed would be as it is now. The point is, God is true and we believe Him. End of subject.
Psalm 8:3 English Standard Version
When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,
I once heard a theory that said…
If you take a string & cut it in half, take one of those half’s & cut it in half, keep doing this eventually the string would be so small that it could exist at all points in the universe at the same time. If this theory is correct & light particles are small enough to fit this criteria. Could light exist in this manner while also having a “speed limit”? The light that comes from a star might not be the same as the light that comes from a lightbulb. There could be subtle differences. The medium of space itself could also affect how we perceive light over vast distances. There could be a 1000 different things in between here and there that affect the speed and or trajectory of light. Perhaps the universe is not expanding at all how we think it is.
What I do know is that if science could ever be advanced enough to accurately explain creation than it may also be able to duplicate it. At some point we just need to except that we will never have all the answers.
Space is mostly a vacuum
God's creation of the universe was miracleas and supernatural so it then follows that the processes he used was also miracleas and supernatural which means the normal and natural way things form and grow could have been supernaturally accelerated throughout the creation week and that includes the speed in which light moves in a vacuum now of course I don't know for sure whether or not the LORD done it that way but that is the way I take it which is based on my understanding of the creation account and may or may not be the way he done it?
If God created everything then he created punctuation maybe you could use some
If you don't have the actual physical star et al it is impossible to create regardless of what the astronomers say. Example is an EKG. It is done over and over and relatively accurate. But, if a person has a third artery called a remus (I think that's the name), so this could be something in and/or around this star that is undetectable. The EKG won't show if you had a heart attack because the EKG most times (99%) cannot pick up that third artery and thus the only way to see if the person had a heart attack was through extensive blood work, not simple blood work and they have to look for certain enzymes that a markers for saying, yeah that person had a heart attack. Also, dating items they can hold well, they are incorrect at times too. So, it is impossible unless you physically have it in front of you and you "can touch it" whatever it is and even then one can make mistakes, just read the above heart attack scenario.
You may come close, but it is difficult to be 100% and if you aren't 100% then that is speculation.
God Bless!!✝️✝️✝️
For a period of time after the attack there is a longer QT interval, and ST elevation. So yes an ECG will show recent myocardial infarction. If the electrical current finds another path, it will still show but differently. If there's tissue damage, that's seen as well. Enzyme testing is for confirmation and determining timing for the appropriatetreatment protocols.
Time dilation may explain a few contradictions in reading, but doesn't explain the 6000 years old creation myth. Nowhere in the bible does it say 6000 years. That's an American myth.
Most scientists are men of God, from Newton to Mendel to Galileo. None of them would agree to the creation myth of 6000 years.
@bellavista2158 The Bible doesn't strictly say "the earth is only 6000 years old" because during the time it was written it wouldn't have been anywhere near 6000. What the Bible does give us is the genealogy of Adam to Noah, then the genealogy of Noah to Abraham, and so on and so forth until we get to Christ.
@@el-duderino975reason I believe the earth is old and and not young is the fact 6 thousand years is not long a nuff for us to be so diverse with different DNA and genes
How are you skeptical of something you can’t see physically anyways? Doesn’t that go against what you believe about god?
Thank you when so many are lied to and confused
1) ge1:1 allows for the physical universe, including the planet earth, to be around a very, very long time and ‘created’ a long time ago and allows for this ‘creation’ to be over an extended period of time and not necessarily instantaneous.
2) the 6 ‘days’ (as well as, perhaps, the period of time prior to them) are referred to, together, as a ‘day’ in ge2:4, strongly suggesting ‘days’ used in ge1 are unspecified time periods (like “… in my grandfather’s day”). e.g., heb4 suggests we are still in the ‘7th day’, or at the very least, suggests that the Christians in Paul’s ‘day’ were still in the rest ‘day’ referred to in ge2:4 some 4000 years after adam’s creation.
3) the word create in ge1:1 and the word in ge1:16 translated ‘make’ are different words with different meanings … the moon and earth were created (ge1:1); in ge1:16 the atmosphere was ‘made’ sufficiently clear so the moon, created far earlier, would have been visible from the earth had someone been there at the time, which there wasn’t.
so ge1 is both scientifically accurate and historically true. without a lot of ambiguity. not a bad summary, given Moses was a shepherd 3500 years ago.
Our Father God said that he stretched out the heavens like a garment. So he started in the centre and spread it out. It was illuminated, and the illumination was moved far away. So the light was always present from the earth's formation location yet to be,, and moved to the distant we now see. And it is still expanding.
Exactly!
Isaiah 45:12
I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
2 Peter 3:5 “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
He created them........old already.
It will be interesting to see what data the Webb telescope provides.
Hopefully it's not censored
The Webb Telescope has provided much new data since you made your comment a year ago.
One of the greatest problems when the vast majority of scientists just accept on going theories as unquestionable truths is that it makes them ask the wrong questions. They miss out coming up with theories that would truly enlighten reality. This is why creationist are so much more fascinating to listen to. They are starting with the truth of God’s word.
The great Isaac Walton believed in God's creative work just like so many other great scientists who laid the foundations for modern science. Natural sciences started to decline only after Darwin had published his "Origin of Species". It was more a political pamphlet than a scientific study, aiming to shake the powers of Church and Monarchy.
Their world view easily distorts their discoveries and even what they search for. Presuming it’s all by undirected natural forces introduces some serious problems that hinder discoveries and conclusions.
Scientist make decisions on repeatable, observable facts. Their theories are the best possible understanding of a subject. Youre right, there should ALWAYS be reasonable doubt in anything. But, if scientist were wrong, we wouldnt have smart phones, the internet, clean water, electricity, air planes, basically anything.
I've heard about the idea of the speed of light being different, as well as the speed of light changing over the years. And then also that space is expanding in every direction which means that stars were likely a lot closer in the past as they are now. So looking at something that is a thousand light years away now might have been a hundred in the past.
Nope. This is impossible.
You do know that there are untold trillions of galaxies? You are claiming that trillions of Galaxies existed in a tiny part of our present Galaxy 6,000 years ago?
As the Bible says I who have stretched out the heavens
Why doesn’t anyone explore the possibility that the speed of light is slowing down? The experiments over the last few hundred years have shown a general decrease in the speed of light even after you account for the margin of error in those older tests. Why does nobody do any research in that direction? I understand that we can’t go back 300 years and repeat their experiments, but we have good data from about 30 years ago. Is our precision insufficient to determine whether the speed of light has changed since the 80s?
Why would it?
@@imafeltersnatch7634 inertia
@@DavidRice111 You obviously don't understand the subject
When did light speed slow down?
Your apparent ignorance of the subject is the biggest problem for you
citation needed, please!
I'm late to the show, but if Dr. Faulkner considers that the way we see the universe is actually within 6,000 years (real-time view), then the assumption that light travels toward us at a known speed (a light-year), then how can we use the light-year as a unit of measurement to know the distance of celestial bodies? I'm on board with the logic, as I too have difficulties with the Mature Creation view (which I've previously held), but missing something here in regards to modern-day evaluation of what we see.
We are alive because of
GOD ETERNAL LIGHT
WE NEVER DIE.
"We are alive because of
GOD ETERNAL LIGHT
WE NEVER DIE." My death is assured.
In my solution which I get from my feeling from God is that he created the stars, galaxies, and everything else in the universe within our view and then spread out the universe. He never said where he created them so why do we assume that he created them light years away. I think he created them possibly within a few days of light away and then pushed them or spread them out as stated. On course we’d be able to see the light from them as he moved them farther and farther away.
He can create the universe with the light already on his way, light that shows events that technically didn’t happen, but did happen because God is God.
God created Adam who is already an adult, just like he created an earth that already had 4.5 billion years of history (fossils and all) inside of the universe that’s already 13 billion years old.
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
@@Eman-vp5wk What? 🤪 There's no such thing as 4.5 billion years of earth history or of 13 billion year old universe lol. That's really insane. An insane amount of (imagimary) time.
Just look how much we've screwed up the world and ourselves in just the 6000 or so years of real, ACTUAL history lol? As if we'd last anywhere near that long.
That's an Atheist/Secular Humanist creation myth. Fantasy. Delusion. Made up. Not real. Not true.
Are you a Christian or an atheist/heathen? For Him or against Him?
You can't be both so best make up your mind quick!
Don't go with "feelings from God". You may be right, may be wrong. I disagree cause fossils indicate death, which came after Adam, but I disagree based on scripture, not feelings. "feelings from God" lead to all kinds of things that aren't from God, because they never were from God. Mormons get "feelings from God" but I guarantee they ain't.
I thought this too but then in this case wouldn't we see the stars getting further away (smaller) at a faster rate? I think matured creation makes sense because God may have sped up time to create everything and allow the light to travel here
I think to a degree I agree.
The question of distant starlight was the final question I had about Biblical young creation.
The thing that answered it the most for me is looking at inflationary theory. Apparently even science has to concede that whether or not the speed of light is constant now, it was not the speed it is now at the creation of the universe, it would have had to be much faster.
***WHY IT SHOULD BE FASTER? WHAT IS "IS". THE CREATOR MADE IT THAT WAY, IT IS AS IT IS AND IS DESCRIBED IN THE BIBLE AS SO, BUT WHOEVER WROTE IT AS THE WORD OF GOD WAS IGNORANT ON HOW GOD CREATE WHATEVER IS.***
Apparently you are incorrect.. The speed of light shows no change and has always been constant.
@robotsonmars1989 there is no evidence to support your claim. We don't event actually know the speed of light. We have educated guesses, but that's all they are, are measurements and guesses.
@@BBCTopgearfan So just skipped the sciences then..
@@robotsonmars1989 nooooo. We do not know the speed of light. We have Theoretical estimate. But until we actually measure it. They conclusively we do not know we know that the speed of light changes as it goes through different. Later we types of matter so? Who. Knows what? It does in the vacuum. Of space. We do not know and we have no way to test it. That is true science let me guess you are 1ofthosequotetrustsciencepeopleinthequote
Exegesis vs. Eisegesis
“Ex-” means to take out of, while “eis-” means “into.” So quite simply, exegesis means digging into the text to pull out the meaning, while its opposite, eisegesis, reads meaning into a text that isn’t there.
I'm currently coming into the understanding that we have the same creative, creation power within us, to speak into existence things that are not yet, as long as we are in the right direction or pointing in the correct prophetic flow as for example Isaiah, then we can bring into existence, say a new planet, a new light, a new dimensional breakthrough in our perception of reality and creation, We are made from the very star stuffas the creator God. This power i believe is within us, our words are much more powerful than we know. .we can create life or death..
Why should the speed of light be different one way from the other way, towards and away from us❓️
I totally agree with you. Their theory of "speed of light" is wrong, it impedes and evades us from understanding the phenomenal substance of light. According to the bible the earth is the oldest planet and the cosmos was created on the 4th day, but this simple fact confuse worldly wisdom because people have no faith in God.
Apparently there is enough cause of concern that it doesn’t for experiments to still be done in this era. Even NASA has experimented to try and figure it out. There’s not even a consensus on how to accurately measure it
I think they have figured this out. The problem is if they admit this to the world everything collapses. Think of all the awards, grants and professors around the world that would be out of a job. Much of our physics would be proven flawed. Bad science makes money. The truth is cheap.
I like to think of the whole of the universe as a playground that God has made for us to explore for eternity. That is not in the Bible, it's really just wishful thinking on my part.
Same! It feels like it’s too big for us to never get to appreciate it
It implies postmil may be right, since we won’t create more people in eternity, so maybe we’ll reach a population of octillions before he returns
2 Peter 3:5 “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
He created them........old already.
The scientists are observing the old heavens and old earth, which GOD had subjected to corruption. Rom.8:20
The New Heavens and the New earth will be free from corruption and will be just like the original creation. Observations of the old heavens and old earth are not going to impart the true knowledge of the original creation, since sin has entered. The best thing to do is to stick to the Words of the Holy Scriptures.
@@ngdavid3925 You are the only one that has shown an understanding of what the Bible says about this. What you said is the correct answer and in a little while fools will attempt to challenge it. I don't waste time on fools because God said not to cast pearls before the swine. Open minded people in person get a detailed answer, closed minded fools don't get acknowledged.
As another option, what about Creation Time Coordinates (CTC) theory showing how God made the stars of the universe outside of creation time along a hypersurface before day four, using McQuoski timecone?
We do not know what the physics of the universe were at that time. We are just now trying to understand all of this. We may never be able to figure it out. We try to understand this in our turns. All of that said I still appreciate the attempt of trying to find these mysteries and all of the debate. The Bible tells us that it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the duty of kings to find them out.
Yes we, when examining polarized light going through dust clouds we can see that the nature constants have been the same very long time back
A thought I had regarding travel of light between stars and other objects is similarly along the lines of ASC. However, rather than have a 2x/infinite split between the directions of travel, consider the impact black holes have on light. Also, considering the proven impacts of time as a function of mass (i.e. the greater the mass, the slower time travels), it's reasonable to assume that the inverse also holds true. (i.e. the lesser the mass, the quicker time travels.). Under this hypothesis, light would travel 'slower' near the stellar bodies of the start and of earth, but may travel much 'faster' (relatively speaking) due to the absence of mass between the stellar bodies. Who knows....maybe for 99.9% of the journey time travels so fast that from our perspective it takes relatively no time at all for light to travel from distance stars to earth.
Anyways. Food for thought.
This is absolute nonsense. The speed of light is actually the speed of causality......which while traveling through space/time has an upper limit of "C". Why do you goofballs even bother trying to pretend that there is scientific evidence of your imaginary friend when your entire premise is that all of this came about via super-natrual means....AKA as magic ?
I have no way of knowing if thats true or not, but it is an interesting concept
@@djsarg7451 I don't think the argument that because God may have created "14 billion year old light" instantly means he's lying. He gave us an account of how he created the earth, and it's our responsibility to work back from there. It's not deception on God's part, it's a misinterpretation on our part.
Yes, it's true that the word for day can mean different things, but the way it's used in Genesis clearly suggests literal days.
@@djsarg7451 I think you're misinterpreting these Bible passages:
The references to the "everlasting mountains" made in Deuts and Habbakuk are figurative language, it's not saying anything about the actual age of mountains.
As for Genesis 2:4, the opening "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created", it is not referring to the previous creation account in Genesis 1, suggesting that the days were generations. What it does is introduce the following reiteration of the creation account, fall of mankind, and the generations of descendants that would follow.
You may also be referring to the second half of verse four, I'll break it down for you, because the wording is vague.
In the DAY that God created the heavens and earth (consistent with Genesis 1's literal days), he conceives of plants before he even put them on the earth (day 2). He creates Adam (day 6), and puts him in the garden of eden he planted on day 3.
I have no idea what Hebrews has to do with this, maybe a misquote.
I won't endorse everything AiG says, but they publish a variety of hypotheses from scientists like 2-way lightspeed, logarithmic light speed decay, focal earth, for you to read and make up your own mind.
The best explanation I've heard is from Jason Lisle where he explains its a matter of synchronization conventions. We use Einsteins synchronization convention which assumes light travels the same speed both ways. But what if it doesnt? What if it's a matter of the viewpoint of the observer?
The funny thing ab the constant speed of ligjt is the Lorentz- Fitzgerald transformation idea, that mass changes.
Indont buy it at all
@@HeritageWealthPlanning Speed of light is NOT constant- proven many times to be slowing down. They think it may have been 6 million times faster during Abraham's day- interesting stuff for sure.
@@bigbob3772 What of the movement of space? Space stretches easily enough (Jer 10:12). Maybe it contracts as well, I don’t know of a Scripture that speaks of space contracting unless it’s part and parcel of the same thing. How does the flexibility of space affect time and light?
@@bigbob3772Name one of these ‘proofs’ that shows its slowing down.
@@HeritageWealthPlanningOf course you don’t. You’re an id-ot.
How about answers in other parts like this:
Deuteronomy 21: 18-21
Timothy 2: 11-14
Leviticus 26: 27-30
Deuteronomy, 25: 11-12
Mark 14: 51-52
Ezekiel 4: 15
Zechariah 13: 3
Genesis 16: 7-9
1 Peter 2: 18
Ezekiel 23: 20
The term "scientific method" emerged in the 19th century, when a significant institutional development of science was taking place and terminologies establishing clear boundaries between science and non-science, such as "scientist" and "pseudoscience", appeared.
Time is relative is not a concise statement, it is better put, time is local!
That pretty much means the same thing 😅
Communications between earth and voyager space crafts can be calculated based on the speed being the same in both directions. There are no differences detected. This tells me that the the different speeds theory is not accurate, at least in our solar system. Is there some explanation for this?
Actually, you cannot calculate the speed of light in both directions. Google it.
At about 16:40, it is mentioned that the speed of light one way could be 2c while in the other direction it could be infinite. Well simple math would then say the calculation of c would then be 4 times the speed of light. ( suppose d= one way distance, and the expected time for back & forth distance with c being the speed of light is t1=2d/c, so if for one direction light's speed is 2c and the return is infinite then t2=d/2c +d/ꝏ =d/2c +0= d/2c, so 4xt2=2d/c qed).
He talked a lot but said nothing of substance.
I view that if God made the universe, then He made something outside of Himself. So as someone outside a universe expanding at nearly the speed of light, time would have slowed greatly. I have heard, and believe that the 13.7 billion years that we have measured the universe to be could be for God a mere 5 or 6 days for Him. I don't believe it diminishes God but then I don't believe God would try to deceive us. I believe Good put such order in the universe that all He needs to do is elicit the changes to form the many different creatures that have lived on this earth.
I'm not a young earth creationist, but I believe time ran more quickly in the past. It seems reasonable that as spacetime expands, something changes. I don't believe it solves the problem for YEC's, but it's interesting nonetheless. As scientists observe very distant stars with a known brightness, the stars are acceleratng faster and faster from us, the further those stars are away. Time running more quickly in the past would explain this phenomenon.
I'm with you in a way on that idea
If Adam and Eve triggered the fall and sin then how were there millions of years of dinosaurs and other animals living and dying and eating each other? This is something I cannot reconcile with that viewpoint as I believe the Bible to be true.
I’m in the young earth camp until God revels otherwise. There is too much that scientists do not know or even consider. What is space within which matter and time resides? Does space have a speed at which it travels, expands or retracts? Does space move in a all directions with varying speeds as the currents of the oceans? How much does the movement of space change perceive light velocity, distance, energy, gravity etc? As near as I can tell we are 5+ dimensional beings with a 4 dimensional consciousness (x, y, z, time).
If folks concentrated on simply spreading and exampling the Word, and Faith in our heavenly Father, YAH, in terms that effect and asssist our daily lives - the world would be a better place.
For me the answer is simple. The speed of light is not a constant. Ever since Rømer's demonstration in 1676, the measurements of the speed of light have slowed down. Now science answers this question by saying that we have gotten more precise in our measurements but what if it were true? Why should the 2nd rule of thermodynamics: Entropy, apply to everything but light?.
I saw a seminar 40 years ago (as best as I can remember) by a Doctor Wilder-Smith (?). He was a chemical engineer who specialized in carbon dating. He was trying to find a reason why carbon dating results were so far off on items of definite known dates in history. He said that the further you go back with carbon dating, the further off the dates were. He postulated a hypothesis that the speed of light was slowing down. He calculated the difference of that speed by the measurements taken of it, going all the way back to Rømer's first experiment. He concluded that the point when light was instantaneous was around 10K years ago. If true, and the speed of light has slowed down, it would have greatly affected everything having to do with the electromagnetic spectrum "including" carbon 14 dating.
@@djsarg7451 So you say the Bible tells you Earth is 4.54 billion years old (give or take). Where does it say that in the Bible? What does the speed of light possibly slowing down have to do with G-d not lying to us. So did G-d say He made light 186,000mps and it shall not be no other speed. G-d made all, I agree, so when he made Entropy (probably after the fall in the Garden), where ALL things grow old and slow down and crumble, are you saying G-d did not apply that to light?
I would like to hear you explain how the dinosaur existed on this planet And it seems like there are a lot older than 6000 years ago.
Dinosaurs are a myth created to hide the massive bodies of the Nephilim.
To prove this to yourself, look into the *actual* bones used in dino displays. You'll find they admit to using *molded* bones to create the illusion. Their "real" bones are typically only tiny bone fragments.
If I showed you a skeleton of a giant dog, say, 200 feet tall and then said "only 2% of this skeleton is actual bone"; would you believe the dog existed?
No reasonable would. This is *exactly* the same thing they do with dinosaurs. I implore you to look into it. Prove it to yourself - do not allow deceivers to lead you astray.
Good luck and may our Father bless you.
Logically explained by the phrase " after it's kind" as well as the evidence that dinosaurs were rather small when born. Ie.eggs like birds. This channel has a pretty in depth flood and ark video.very logical sprinkled wit common sense.
As far as the stars in relation to time here's the verse I believe explains it.
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
King James Version 2 Peter 3:5
@@SherylinRM 2 Peter 3:5 “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
He created them........old already.
It says it right there. He CREATED them old to begin with. And man willingly is ignorant of it. 🤷🏻
I think soft tissue finds in fossils contradict the idea that they are millions of years old quite strongly. Ofcourse the mainstream secular world will entertain any hypothesis of how the soft tissue was preserved other than the fossils being relatively recent only a few thousand years ago. And in such fashion they have adopted a number of rescue devices. The iron model, AGES, and ALES, and so on. However none of these modes of preservation seem to have been put to any rigor in regards to experimental verification, the only one that had somewhat of an experiment was the iron model, and as far as scientific experiments go, it was done terribly. The only measure done to the experiment was supeficial visual examination with no other parameters being measured during it.
Not only that, but a good number if these tissue finds fall outside even the possibility of all of these rescue devices. Things like ligament tissue, nerve cells, and the biggest problem of them all, actual preserved DNA in these fossils. Now the DNA found is massive degraded. Which is to be expected after hundreds, let alone thousands of years, but it's a far cry from what it should be, which is nothing. DNA is to fragile to last even hundreds of thousands of years, let alone millions. And you can't apply any of the proposed modes of preservation to it, because said preservation modes would destroy it.
When examined on a rigorous technical level the soft tissue preservation is a makevit or break it problem for old earth deep time paradigms. And it has broken it.
Stupid people 😂
The appeal of Humphrey’s time dilation model for me is that it explains the separation of the waters below from the waters above and the identification of the expanse - though I heard that Danny has the same idea of this, so maybe it’s not directly dependent on that model. As I understand Danny, the big reason to question time dilation is the evidence of events happening in the universe which look like they should’ve taken millions of years under normal circumstances, raising the same question of why God would’ve created galaxies to give the false impression of a collision which never happened. So whereas there may have been time dilation or supernatural increase of c, there was also evidently a speeding up of the events that were occurring out there. Although I don’t see why this wouldn’t just be two ways of describing the same thing: sped up, or time dilation. From the earth’s reference frame, more apparent time has passed in the outer universe, and so why one would imply Old Earth and the other not is beyond me at the moment
I have experiences that absolutely confirm Humphrey's time dilation model; when I am having fun, time goes really fast, and when I am bored, it just flows like molasses uphill in January. Therefore god and creation!
C assumes a constant rate, but the speed of light is not constant. I have known for a long time that current mathematics falls far short of what is needed to gain a good understanding of the universe.
@@valerieprice1745 So, there is stuff we don't understand about the universe, therefore god.
@@stevepierce6467 you're putting words in my mouth. We will never understand the universe, because we can't understand God. God is beyond our comprehension, but if we could understand the universe, we probably still would find that God is far beyond human comprehension. I suppose you believe in spontaneous generation of life, information without consciousness, and the Social Darwinist, racist justification for killing millions of Jews. The Origen of Species was written to provide the "scientific" foundation for "exterminating the savage races, and all the apes in Africa". That's a line from Darwin's other book. There's only one race. The human race. We are all God's children.
God doesn't exist. Religion is Supernatural mythology with a nasty edge.
Talking snakes😂😂😂😂
I should probably read through the comments and make sure that I'm not being redundant with this information. Halton Arp, a renowned astronomer from the last century, noticed that certain stellar entities would be obviously connected, but would render wildly different red shifts (i.e. distances). He catalogued many, many of these anomalies (maybe thousands?) and eventually came to the conclusion that the red shift was an intrinsic property of the stars, and not a function of their distance. He was subsequently deprived of his telescope time and ended up moving to... I think Germany to continue his work. He wrote a book named "Seeing Red". As far as I remember, he still believed in the prevailing time paradigm. I guess just because it was mainstream, but he was suppressed nonetheless.
how do we account for uniformity of the red shift other than the centrality of the earth? If this is indeed a reality, then analog dynamics are not applicable, rather a digital dynamic would be applicable, and distant starlight would be observable in real time. l believe that was what Jason Lisle and Guermo Gonzales are getting at, Right?
Imagine it like this:
This video will take you an hour to watch, but if you watch the first half at 2x speed and the rest at normal speed, then it will only take 45 minutes to watch. Changing the speed will have no effect on their conversation and the video will play out the exact same way. The only differance will be that it took less time to watch. It is just like the plants on day 3, which we can asume started growing at a normal speed after they were fully grown, beacasue other wise they would grow out of control.
You need to stop smoking the plants 😆
Good analogy.
It all comes down to whether you want to base things on assumptions, or on the known evidence.
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
King James Version (
2 Peter 3: 5
@@kentracer4129 Ty. I read the whole chapter.
...And it sounds like the author was generalizing. He was saying "What is time to God? A day to us is immeasurable to Him!" Not so much a literal 1,000 years = 24 hours. Boy, context matters.
Here’s a good answer. When God made Adam, how old was he? Some would say maybe 20 or 25 years old. That’s not true, he was 1 day old. God made him with age already. God can make things with age on them already, including stars, galaxies… etc, and/or matured in fast forward and have the light coming from them, stretched out already. Of course it’s fun to speculate, the science of it. Just saying, could also be added age. Another thing, certain things on earth, weird findings, a tree buried deep in the ground, it was younger than the rock above it… etc, with the flood, we don’t know how all that pressure of water changed the age of rocks, dirt..etc. plus, God probably made some mountains/rocks with age on them.
Or God created the universe billions of years ago, and the stories written in the bible, by man, are simply that. . . stories!
2 Peter 3:5 “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
He created them........old already.
You nailed it!!; Nice 👍🏼🙏🏼
Amen
@@djsarg7451 I’m not at all smart enough to figure all of that. I was just making a point, that God can make things with age already on them. Now I will make two points, not to argue, just something to think about. 1, yes no one was there to judge Adams age, but God was there. The Bible says God made Adam… and on that day, Adam was one day old.. the bible says God created everything in 6 days, rested on the 7th. 2, If everything is 100 billion years old, and the dinosaurs lived in the Mesozoic Era (prehistoric age) with no humans, then they all died, and then there was humans after the dinosaurs died off… how could the dinosaurs die off if there wasn’t any death yet? Death started after Adam ate of the fruit. Now an atheist does not believe what the bible says.. thats fine. But if a person believes what the Bible says…. How could the dinosaurs die if death wasn’t a thing yet? Something to think about anyway.
@@djsarg7451 I don’t understand what you are saying? You just resent the same reply. What you are saying and what I am saying is not even the same conversation. Are you a robot? Lol.
I am a scientist with a particular passion for Astronomy, and I teach Astronomy and General Relativity and have found a compelling argument made in the Anisotropic Synchronous Convention put forth by both Albert Einstein and Dr. Jason Lisle. And I would respectfully Disagree with Dr. Faulkner about the scientific method. The modern scientific method was developed by Galileo in response to Aristotelian thinking that the world around us can be explained primarily through logic and reasoning. Aristotle taught that heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones, and Galileo came along and tested it through experimentation. He also did similar things with observing moons of Jupiter, and sun spots which gave rise to the observational aspect of the scientific method. The modern scientific method is Observe, Test, Repeat and that line of thinking really became popular with Galileo, and not the 1980s. So I would strongly disagree with his assertion there.
I find the Dasha theory quite fascinating. Dr. Faulkner, since you state that it is based on the miraculous (which I would wholeheartedly agree to), could one possible answer to the question about the 1987 supernova and other such things be something along the line of the following? Since we have formation and rapid maturing (hence your use of "matured" vs. "mature"), could it not be that the formation of the stars and the speed of light was actually sped up initially to arrive at the end of day 6 with light then traveling at the speed which we know today? Since we are speaking of the miraculous, it would fit the theory. Furthermore, we could think of it like a car with the cruise control on. You can have your cruise set to 55mph but can speed up to whatever (let's say 90mph). For a few moments you are traveling at 90mph; then, when you take your foot off the accelerator your speed is dropping constantly until you hit 55mph, at which point you continue traveling at that speed.
Just my $0.02. Maybe there's a hole in my analogy that I haven't considered, but I thought I would throw it out there.
The cruise control picture helps me understand this better. Thanks
There is some contention woth the inflation theory, light speed was different when the universe was smaller. We don't know if it was faster, if it was smaller, we don't know what the rate of expansion is, but for light to remain a constant then as the universe expands light would have a longer trip and therfore we would have reduction in frame rate (our fps is dropping and the universe renders)
Also, I'd like to hear a credible answer as to how we have gas pressure w/o a container (firmament).?
What will a scale measure at the bottom of as stack of items, if you have 100 items of 1 kg each stacked on top of each other? 100 kg. If you placed your scale just below the topmost item? 1 kg. Molecules of gas stacked on top of each other seperated by different densities will give higher static pressure at surface of the earth and very little to no static pressure at edge of the atmosphere. Same as in a fluid column. Gravity wont act differently on gas than it does on fluid.
F = mg
P = F / A
Gravity acts continuously on everything. So even if these molecules are accelerated, they cannot escape unless they are moving at a velocity greater than the earth's gravity escape velocity. They are always attracted towards the earth.
you need to start trusting the science bro
So I listened to this thing like three times and I still haven't found the actual answer to the title question. There's something about Adasha matured theory but he doesn't explain how it actually worked. I know it was a miracle but I still think there ought to be an explanation for the light reaching the earth on the day the stars were made even though they were hella far away.
Hi. Great discussion. But what happened before day one, when God created the heaven and the earth?
Speed of light is slowing down and was much faster at creation
Ephesians 5:11-14 NKJV
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them...
For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.
But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. Therefore He says: “Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light.
Amen..
There's one debate about the speed of light that's never been solved - we only know it's speed bidirectionally. Because of relativity we have no idea what it's true one way speed is. All we have "measured" is the return trip both ways. It's staggering how little this is talked about. Glad it was mentioned here.
Wonderful article! I do have a question about water. How are we finding water in space? Where did it come from? Is it possible that the water splashed or evaporated from earth during the flood?
@@nathancook2852 Thanks for sharing this info!
I find it entirely plausible that since God is outside of time, and therefore time is a construct created by God, at creation, God could have simply "sped up" time as everything was coming into being at His command. Similar to how we might fast forward on a movie. And so there would be potential evidence for "billions of years" in geology or astronomy when this was all happening in but a moment. This is my peasant view of things at least.
Considering God made plants before he made the Sun and moon…. (Light did exist) My guess is it was not in fast forward. Outside of time entirely possibility.
our concept of time can’t exist without the sun, moon, stars and space we use to measure it.
Can’t imagine even our collective brains will ever be able to understand a fraction of Gods power and ability.
@@skylanh4319 Interesting observation. It poses a mark against the idea, and is something to chew on, though I am not certain that the presence of plants prevents it from being a possibility. Time is apparently affected by things such as gravity, so it is not simply a measurement alone. Those same celestial bodies could have "sped into" existence separate from our Earth. I am basically implying that what we might measure as billions of years, could take place in mere moments in space, at the same time that one day was occurring on Earth.
There are reasons to think that all things did not just spin out from the "Big Bang" on one timeline anyway, since as you mentioned the Sun and Moon were actually created AFTER our planet. Apparently. Thanks for your reply.
What I find interesting is that secular scientists are ok with “cosmic inflation” which is a miraculous stretching of the fabric of space to explain how the universe is as mature as it appears to be, and yet they can’t accept that God simply stretched the heavens, like the Bible says, in a similar, if not more efficient, and much quicker, matter.
@@mongoose-jc1ug I will check out this idea of "cosmic inflation", sounds interesting at least. But you make a good point, many of them seem willing to accept anything as long as that thing doesn't point to God.
Time is not a construct created by God or mankind, it is a situation created by sin. Time started the exact moment that Lucifer sinned against God. Things have a duration because they are spiritually separated from God. All things consist through God's Word, Jesus Christ. Time ends after the last judgement is fulfilled because sin can no longer exist. There is a lot to explain the details of what I say, but it is the summary of the entire Bible and why mankind was created in the first place.
I agree,I get a lot of " How that's not possible".
I'm like REALLY !!!!
!!! IT'S GOD!!!!
I see stuff and don't understand (and am not willing to read and study a little bit) how it could be, therefore god.
@@kateescarlet9693 😊
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
King James Version (
2 Peter 3:5
@@kentracer4129 One can agree with the scientific evidence that the world is 4.5 billion years old and the universe much older and still maintain a faith in a god. Since there is nothing to show that a god did NOT create everything, it could be true. Believing that the world is billions of years old in no way invalidates the phrase "by the word of god." Belief in scientific geological age does not preclude belief in a god. Scientists are only interested in finding real-life explanations for the world as we find it, and not in disproving the existence of a god. We humans created the concept of gods millennia ago and many people still find great comfort in that. Only if one insists the bible is exactly literally true does it come into conflict with reality. The evidence that things are far far older than 6000 years is irrefutable.
It’s a little mentally boggling to think that just because we understand how something can occur suddenly means that GOD didn’t do it or He doesn’t exist.
That’s an assumption I don’t make. Please don’t belittle people or make assumptions that you know why they think GOD did something because they don’t know why or how it works
I've also thought of the expanding ball as a theory for the galaxies to be stretched by the hand of God.
Firstly, according to the Bible, on the first day God created light. Since the Earth did not exist yet the six days of creation mentioned in the Bible cannot refer to earthly days. Secondly, who's to say that the Almighty God cannot create an eternal Universe?
What if the speed of light is not constant? Maybe it was much faster 6000years ago to a stage where it was almost instant, but it slowed down over time till the speed we give it today?
Speed of light occupied such fundamental place in natural laws that human can not survive if it’s value changed dramatically
What happens to you if your car hits a tree and you're not wearing a seat belt.
A particle keeps moving unless it meets resistance. Middle School science class.
Ever heard of a gamma ray or protons from the core of the Sun.
Science should have left the bats alone.
When was the last time we measured what the speed of light is, without using reference feedback loops from when we first measured it (aka driving no changes)... could it be possible that the speed of light was MUCH much faster in the past, and it is now much much slower?.... why do we think the speed of light is a constant? Doesn't seem we've been measuring it long enough to make that conclusion?!
When considering ASC (at 19:00), I assume (without further reading) that it was meant that the speed of light could be 1/2 C in one direction and infinite in the other. (not 2C and infinite as shown). a speed of half C in one direction and infinite in the other will be indistinguishable from 1C in both directions. I think he confused the time it takes light to travel a given distance, with the speed of light. C is not a time, but a speed.
I've often though about all this and I've come up with what if God doesn't actually reside within the universe and if that was the case time would be practically irrelevant. It may have been 7 days from God's perspective outside the universe but within each day was 100s of millions of years. I don't know how it all went down but I do believe it's God's work. I think everything has happened exactly the way it suppossed to work and that if the universe is 13 billion years old or 6k its because that's how it had to be for it to work. How do we know this is his first universe?
Nice to know that others live in the same wormholes, pondering the same unknowable questions.
Yom implies 'a period of time'... not necessarily a 'literal day'... YHWH employs the miraculous and the natural (my position) in the Creation Event...
It specifically says that a thousand years is like a day and a day is like a thousand years to God this only means that God can manipulate time a space and time and gravity means nothing to him. People get that wrong and assume that he created things in one of our days. The creation story is his story not ours and in that context it could have taken him a million years to create the universe only he knows.
@@kenlinden9621 You can't just read that one word. the bible says: 'evening and then morning, the second day', CLEARLY saying that it was an actual 24 hour day...
I put my ear to the book... didn't hear it say anything... "...but by every word that YWH is saying...".