Yes!! More Rob! I’ll be switching to the Salice as well. Definitely more superior to the Blum. And one clip does all the adjustments versus 3 different clips for the Blum.
Maximum drawer height is (opening - 21mm) So you can take your opening and number of drawers and calculate the max sizes then subtract a little extra for between the drawers. I think they say minimum of 6mm between drawers.
In the cabinet shop I work in we have a automated machine that does dovetails, sometimes we make our own drawers other times we get them from Conastoga along with our doors, all depends on how busy we are. Quite honestly even at Conastoga quality levels they they make a nicer cheapper product than we can. We have specialty shop make us 8ft maple boards that we cut up into drawers that are already grooved and prefinished. Where Conastoga and other companies I have noticed use those boards that look like they are made out of a all the scrap cut offs from other projects that they glue back up to make new boards out of. While visually that looks so cheap, construction wise so much more stable.
We’ve found that clients would just rather spend a little less or spend that money elsewhere in the project. We like the build them ourselves when we can but the client dictates what we can and cannot do! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
I heard a saying once, Every day that goes by & you don't learn something is a wasted day. That window bench is gonna look cool when done. Hoping all is well guys, Dirty Jersey out!!
Jeff, here! I can’t speak for Rob but I’ve found the slotted holes give me more trouble than they’re worth sometimes. When you tighten your screw the rotation wants to move the slide either forwards or backwards depending on which side you’re working on.
Ahhh, gotcha! As Rob was saying we want it as close to perfect as we can in the shop so that we can utilize the full range of adjustment on site if necessary.
I have a few sets of a different brand, looked at them for an hour, tried to youtube them, went with old school self closing.....now I understand how they work.
great video. i see you used salices vertical mount slides , thing is I don't know the difference between their vertical mount slide and standard slide for the f70
Ah. Yes these are the locking device “with flange.” I prefer these because I always hate installing the angled screws into the back of the drawer box face. These screw right into the bottom edge which is less prone to cracking.
Thanks for posting this . I’ve been out of the game for a while. I’ve used side mounts 30 years ago . ( bearing type ) . and tandems at a kitchen company. Qst. When you have this system figured out completely . Is it faster and easier? Seems like it has more user friendly adjustments? I can see the drawer construction is different also . Do Salice /Blum / Other. Generally share the same specs. for the width of the drawer versus opening of the cabinet ?
I wouldn’t say they’re necessarily any faster but we definitely like the quality. I’ve used Blum, Grass, Hettich, Salice, etc and always used cabinet opening minus 3/8” for drawer width and it’s always worked out! That’s for 5/8” drawers.
I have installed the Blum brand before, and I have seen Salice ones, but never used. What do you like better about the Salice brand, if you don't mind me asking? Thank you!
Are the offsets metric with these like Blum? I always pull out my metric tape do the inner width minus 42mm instead of using imperial approximations and it has been golden (and easy to do).
Are you looking at the specs for the Progressa/Progressa+? I know the Salice Futura called for a 7mm hole. Check out page 16 of the spec sheet. It shows a 6mm x 10mm deep hole. www.salice.com/media/Catalog/runners-and-drawers/progressa/Salice_Progressa_usa.pdf
There’s adjustment in all directions on the slide/clip but you want to dial it in as close as possible in the shop so that when you get on site you can fine tune with those slide/clip adjustments.
Grass Dynapro slides are a 70kg undermount that accept an optional push-to-open product called Tipmatic. Like the Blum the Tipmatic product is a separate module that attaches to the Dynapro slide. Unlike the Blum the Tipmatic module remains stationary attached to the rails fixed to the sides of the cabinate as the drawer box slides out. Dynapro with Tipmatic is equivalent to Blum Movento with Tip-On. Both require a synchronisation rod for wider drawers.
I came across your video just to show to my shop guy how to pronounce SALICE, haha. Anyway I ended up watching a bit further just to see how you set your slides inside the cabinet, specially with the FACEFRAME application. I don't like the way you do. I worked as a carpenter for over 6 years in a shop in Port Chester NY, custom face frame cabinets is all I was doing for years. I don;t like to set the slides like you show (placed sitting in the bottom of the cabinet) just setting the 5/32 set back. What I do, I place them 1/8 of the ground too. They will sit behind the DRAWER FACE, so you will never going to see it through the 1/8" gap between drawer faces / doors. ALSO the 1/8" "room" for adjustment that you are going to have if some of your installers do a "NO GOOD" job. So if they ever set the cabinets out of level, or if they tweak squeeze or distort the cabinet during install you will have room for adjustment DOWN at the slides. Because a lot of the time only lowering the DRAWER face does not fix the problem. Sometimes something is distorted and only moving the slides will fix your problem.
I love the f70, they're fabulous and they have the rack and piñon that allows you not to use the bars for wide drawers, but for most drawers they're complete over kill, on my smaller drawers I still use, the Dynapro, I like them the best, Blum is over rated and over priced they're good at marketing
You can definitely get away with a lesser slide (not that the dynapros are bad, they’re great slides,) but we find it easier just to keep one type of slide on hand!
@@TodaysCraftsmen that's true too, I got rid of Blum during the pandemic and switched to salice because Blum wasn't available and I realized that the salice hinges were actually better and they were almost half the price as the Blum. I used the Futura slides for a while but the dynapro are a little smoother, I just can't see putting an f70 on a small upper drawer, but you can't beat the motion that they have
It is very strange that Salice cannot produce an all-in-one Push-to-open and soft-close like Grass and Blum. If they built a Push-to-open onto the F70 Smove they would probably penetrate more into the market dominated by Blum. Especially if the add-on was trivial in expense, ordering and installation. I recently spoke with a cabinate maker here in Australia, who uses Salice and Grass, and they said using the F70 and Dynapro was over engineering the job in response to my request to use the products (Dynapro for a Push-to-open drawer holding waste bins). I thought that was odd and suspect they might be focused on products with higher margins. It seems like the F70 is priced competitively enough to use it everywhere. What about narrow drawers (400mm or less)? The company uses Cabinet Vision and their workflow is all computer driven manufacturing with large format routing. Thanks for your videos 👍
Great video . Nice to see Rob in front of the camera .Keep it coming fellas
💯💯💯 Thanks, Rob!
It's good to see that Blum has some competition. Keep up the great work!
Thanks, will do!
Yes!! More Rob! I’ll be switching to the Salice as well. Definitely more superior to the Blum. And one clip does all the adjustments versus 3 different clips for the Blum.
We had to force him on camera! 😜
@@TodaysCraftsmen Tell him we think he did a great job and should do more on camera.
Will do!
I have a some tight-fitting inset drawers. What is the min required vertical spacing? I like that you gave the min horizontal space of 3/8”, thanks!
Maximum drawer height is (opening - 21mm) So you can take your opening and number of drawers and calculate the max sizes then subtract a little extra for between the drawers. I think they say minimum of 6mm between drawers.
In the cabinet shop I work in we have a automated machine that does dovetails, sometimes we make our own drawers other times we get them from Conastoga along with our doors, all depends on how busy we are. Quite honestly even at Conastoga quality levels they they make a nicer cheapper product than we can. We have specialty shop make us 8ft maple boards that we cut up into drawers that are already grooved and prefinished. Where Conastoga and other companies I have noticed use those boards that look like they are made out of a all the scrap cut offs from other projects that they glue back up to make new boards out of. While visually that looks so cheap, construction wise so much more stable.
We’ve found that clients would just rather spend a little less or spend that money elsewhere in the project. We like the build them ourselves when we can but the client dictates what we can and cannot do! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
I heard a saying once, Every day that goes by & you don't learn something is a wasted day. That window bench is gonna look cool when done. Hoping all is well guys, Dirty Jersey out!!
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 We hope to help teach as much as we can!
Great video.. appreciate the work you guys do in doing these videos.
Thanks for watching!
Where did the drawer boxes come from? I have too many projects going on in my home shop. Thanks; that was a great video.
We buy them from Häfele.
Thank you for the info
We’re not worthy! Thanks, Matt. Love your work.
@@TodaysCraftsmen thanks!!
Just curious, Rob. Why move the slide and redrill the mounting holes instead of using the built in front to back adjustment?
Bill
I was going to ask the same.
Jeff, here! I can’t speak for Rob but I’ve found the slotted holes give me more trouble than they’re worth sometimes. When you tighten your screw the rotation wants to move the slide either forwards or backwards depending on which side you’re working on.
@TodaysCraftsmen I agree about the slotted holes, but Rob showed us front to back adjustment built into the blocks. That's what I was wondering about
Ahhh, gotcha! As Rob was saying we want it as close to perfect as we can in the shop so that we can utilize the full range of adjustment on site if necessary.
@@TodaysCraftsmen Makes sense. Thanks Jeff.
I have a few sets of a different brand, looked at them for an hour, tried to youtube them, went with old school self closing.....now I understand how they work.
Glad we could help!
Where do you get your drawers and under mount drawer slides?
We buy them both from Hafele.
great video. i see you used salices vertical mount slides , thing is I don't know the difference between their vertical mount slide and standard slide for the f70
Thanks! What do you mean by vertical mount?
@TodaysCraftsmen sorry, not vertical mount slides,,vertical mount locking devices.
Ah. Yes these are the locking device “with flange.” I prefer these because I always hate installing the angled screws into the back of the drawer box face. These screw right into the bottom edge which is less prone to cracking.
Thanks for posting this . I’ve been out of the game for a while. I’ve used side mounts 30 years ago . ( bearing type ) . and tandems at a kitchen company. Qst. When you have this system figured out completely . Is it faster and easier? Seems like it has more user friendly adjustments? I can see the drawer construction is different also .
Do Salice /Blum / Other. Generally share the same specs. for the width of the drawer versus opening of the cabinet ?
I wouldn’t say they’re necessarily any faster but we definitely like the quality. I’ve used Blum, Grass, Hettich, Salice, etc and always used cabinet opening minus 3/8” for drawer width and it’s always worked out! That’s for 5/8” drawers.
I have installed the Blum brand before, and I have seen Salice ones, but never used. What do you like better about the Salice brand, if you don't mind me asking? Thank you!
They’re definitely more robust and seem to have a smoother operation and soft close.
@TodaysCraftsmen I am building a dresser soon and I am going to try these. Thank you for the video!
Probably a great choice since the rack and pinion keeps big drawers aligned.
Are the Salice slide sold as individual or as a pair? Thanks for sharing
We buy them in pairs but they do come in separate boxes (left and right) when you buy more than 6.
Are the offsets metric with these like Blum? I always pull out my metric tape do the inner width minus 42mm instead of using imperial approximations and it has been golden (and easy to do).
Correct! So it’s 42mm - 2x drawer sides (~16mm x 2 = 32mm) = 10mm (roughly 3/8”)?
What size hole is that on the back?
It’s a 6mm hole for the bayonet.
@ cool thank you I was looking online and they say 7x10 but not specify actual hole from what I could find
Are you looking at the specs for the Progressa/Progressa+? I know the Salice Futura called for a 7mm hole.
Check out page 16 of the spec sheet. It shows a 6mm x 10mm deep hole. www.salice.com/media/Catalog/runners-and-drawers/progressa/Salice_Progressa_usa.pdf
happy to find this. thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Looking at Salice slides…have you guys used the Salice “futura” drawer slides? If so, how do you think they compare to the F70s?
We have! They’re great for the money. Not as nice as the F70 but for less than $20 they work well.
I was surprised that there was no adjustments on the slide mechanism to fix the alignment issue.
There’s adjustment in all directions on the slide/clip but you want to dial it in as close as possible in the shop so that when you get on site you can fine tune with those slide/clip adjustments.
Is there a preferred online distributor that you would recommend for Salice?
We’re partial to Hafele.
Are there any undermount slides with soft close and push-to-open besides the movento Blumotion+Tip-On?
Unfortunately they are the only one as far as I know.
Grass Dynapro slides are a 70kg undermount that accept an optional push-to-open product called Tipmatic.
Like the Blum the Tipmatic product is a separate module that attaches to the Dynapro slide. Unlike the Blum the Tipmatic module remains stationary attached to the rails fixed to the sides of the cabinate as the drawer box slides out.
Dynapro with Tipmatic is equivalent to Blum Movento with Tip-On. Both require a synchronisation rod for wider drawers.
Good to know 💪🏼
I can't find the Salice F70 in that link. Only showing the Salice Progressa+Smove.
The Salice F70 is now the Salice Progressa+
@@TodaysCraftsmen Thank you, but what is the +Smove?
+smove is what they call their soft close.
I came across your video just to show to my shop guy how to pronounce SALICE, haha. Anyway I ended up watching a bit further just to see how you set your slides inside the cabinet, specially with the FACEFRAME application. I don't like the way you do. I worked as a carpenter for over 6 years in a shop in Port Chester NY, custom face frame cabinets is all I was doing for years. I don;t like to set the slides like you show (placed sitting in the bottom of the cabinet) just setting the 5/32 set back. What I do, I place them 1/8 of the ground too. They will sit behind the DRAWER FACE, so you will never going to see it through the 1/8" gap between drawer faces / doors. ALSO the 1/8" "room" for adjustment that you are going to have if some of your installers do a "NO GOOD" job. So if they ever set the cabinets out of level, or if they tweak squeeze or distort the cabinet during install you will have room for adjustment DOWN at the slides. Because a lot of the time only lowering the DRAWER face does not fix the problem. Sometimes something is distorted and only moving the slides will fix your problem.
Good points! We do all of our own installation so we don’t have to worry about bad installers! 😆
@@TodaysCraftsmen So if I see metal (slides) showing through the 1/8 I will know the cabinet was made by you guys! haha
Yes. Keep your eyes peeled.
$60 for that drawer? That makes money all day long, incredible price fellas. 🎯
For sure! And it’s an 8”H drawer.
I love the f70, they're fabulous and they have the rack and piñon that allows you not to use the bars for wide drawers, but for most drawers they're complete over kill, on my smaller drawers I still use, the Dynapro, I like them the best, Blum is over rated and over priced they're good at marketing
You can definitely get away with a lesser slide (not that the dynapros are bad, they’re great slides,) but we find it easier just to keep one type of slide on hand!
@@TodaysCraftsmen that's true too, I got rid of Blum during the pandemic and switched to salice because Blum wasn't available and I realized that the salice hinges were actually better and they were almost half the price as the Blum. I used the Futura slides for a while but the dynapro are a little smoother, I just can't see putting an f70 on a small upper drawer, but you can't beat the motion that they have
100% super smooth
It is very strange that Salice cannot produce an all-in-one Push-to-open and soft-close like Grass and Blum. If they built a Push-to-open onto the F70 Smove they would probably penetrate more into the market dominated by Blum. Especially if the add-on was trivial in expense, ordering and installation.
I recently spoke with a cabinate maker here in Australia, who uses Salice and Grass, and they said using the F70 and Dynapro was over engineering the job in response to my request to use the products (Dynapro for a Push-to-open drawer holding waste bins). I thought that was odd and suspect they might be focused on products with higher margins.
It seems like the F70 is priced competitively enough to use it everywhere. What about narrow drawers (400mm or less)?
The company uses Cabinet Vision and their workflow is all computer driven manufacturing with large format routing.
Thanks for your videos 👍
I wish they would too!
I have moved from blum to grass.
Grass? Is this a new brand?
No. They are little more than blum but are synchronized in all sizes without having to add the synchronize bar to the back with blum.
We’ve used the Dynapros pretty extensively too. Much prefer the Salice!
Grass is another Austrian manufacturer that’s been around for ages.
The Grass are definetly nice but I hate the ratchet-action locking device.