As somebody who knows very little about cabinetry, I had no clue there was such variability in drawer slide mechanisms and their function. What a fascinating corner of innovation.
I really want to like these drawer slides A LOT, but they do not disclose their pricing on their website. I hate it when buying something on the internet is more difficult than going fishing at my favorite spot. What do they have to hide, and why??
they're ~60 bucks a pair for 53cm/21 inch, but it goes from like 20 per slide (40 for the pair) to 80 a pair depending where you get it from, so you're better off finding who stocks them at a decent price nearby or with reasonable delivery. edit : apparently someone in the comments gets them for 22 a pair, so that's probably why there's no price on the website, they're very inconsistent.
First rule is Europeans are bad at marketing. Second rule is traditional manufacturers don't want to sell direct to customers. You're completely right of course, but this is just how traditional manufacturers work.
As someone who does cabinet & furniture adjustment and repairs... these look like gold. Thankyou for going over the features which only those who actually work with these things will care about.
What I need is a side-by-side (approx) price comparison of a 24" and a 30" progressive slide 4" and 8" deep drawers. 🤷♂ Thanks for introducing Salice and an alternative slide. 🙌
Great video! At 7:25 you mention the 6 way adjustability comparison. However you didn’t mention the Blum ‘tilt’ adjustment (at the rear of their runners). Does the Salice have this 8th feature (tilt up 7, tilt down 8)?
Thank you for taking some of the confusion out of the sometimes-overwhelming amount of choices when it comes to drawer hardware. Question: I assume their F70 drilling jig will work for the Progressa slides?
Thanks for the perfect video to answer all my questions about Salice! Do the progressas offer a forward tilt option similar to the rear hook on the moventos?
I did and I haven’t regretted it. I have no negative thoughts on Blum, these are just better than the tandem I have always used. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a updated slide released from Blum now
I just got a master class on the latest advances on drawer slides...and Bent just got a 50% discount on Salice slides for life... or something like that. "Game changer" applies here.
One child is all it will take to break those plastic gears. I do not like most under mount because they aren’t as durable as a set of ball bearing slides.
It can depend on the type of plastic. For example, if you were to take the case off of a garage door opener, you would find plastic gears inside; I have two garage openers where the plastic gear had to be replaced after a little over 15 years of service - and the replacement part is also plastic. Having said that, I do share your concerns.
@@stevebabiak6997 I understand what you are saying, but there is a significant difference here. The gears on this slide will have to deal with a child trying to push the drawer the wrong way. This will add stress to the plastic. I don’t care what kid of plait is, it’s still plastic.
Thanks for the overview/comparison. The simplicity and standardized adjustments in the Salice clips is an immediate selling point for me. I once tried pricing out some Blum undermount slides and I got lost in all the options and part numbers. I've built my own freaking computers since I was a kid so I'm no stranger to selecting components based on compatibility, and I still struggle to make sense of Blum's hardware catalog. I'm sure someone who lives and breathes Blum hardware installations professionally would know exactly what parts to get for what situation, but as a hobbyist/DIYer, I need something more straight-forward.
great video! a few questions: 1. have you used the progressa's in an inset application? if so, how was the adjustment capabilities etc using them in an inset application? 2. if using in an inset , which one do you recommend ? the progressa's or the plus? We are a custom shop and have been using tandems for years but always looking for improvements especially if it means better $$ :)
That racking mechanism has a plastic interface gear, and if someone, for instance, falls against an open drawer, it looks like it's a weak point, and could fail easily under a "differential load".... Just a thought.
It was my first thought too. They look like a guaranteed failure point but I think the design accounts for this. Assuming the runners cannot slip sideways, the cog is only dealing with the rolling resistance forces as the runner extends or retracts, no vertical or horizontal loads. You'd hope the tolerances in the runners were fairly tight.
I also was thinking if something falls behind the drawer from an upper drawer and blocks it shutting, the owner is likely to apply more force and both the cog and the rack look fragile
Its a strong slide, the ONLY undermount to pass BIFMA and other tests for a 21 inch length, all others did test at 18 inch. I'd worry about anyone falling on an open drawer, depending on their weight they will destroy any drawer. ;)
That rack and pinion system on those slides man... Could almost feel the smoothness and stability just by watching it. 😂😂😂 Going to be picking up some of these for the bedroom dressers I have to build. Nothing more satisfying than furniture with doors and drawers that run smooth as silk.
"Cheaper" and "less expensive" convey different meanings to me but I'm an Ole Phart😂 Inexpensive/less expensive mean less cost or more value for same price; cheap means shoddy, ill-made, and inferior quality, regardless of price. Not complaining -- just noting.
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Always good to have alternatives and competition - Blum is pretty dominant in many markets from what I gather. I do wonder about the stabilizer, or rather lack of that option from Salice though: In our kitchen we have a few 1m wide, 30cm deep drawers, and without the stabilizer trying to pull the drawer open on a corner (or close to one) would simply wedge it against the carcass. Would the Salice slides be so stiff sideways that they really don't need that stabilizer? BTW that stabilizer has nothing(*) to do with push open; it's just to stop wide, short drawers like ours to "twist" when pulled or pushed by the corners. *: There's a separate synchronizer for push open where the stabilizer is not needed that functions the same as Salice's by linking the mechanisms. I'm assuming that if the stabilizer is installed the synchronizer is not needed.
The synchronization feature in the Salice slides makes the stabilizer bar unnecessary. I saw a video where a guy put his 150 lb wife inside a drawer shut it and pushed to open it was amazing.
@@DavidSzpiech that example doesn't say anything about how rigid it is in "extreme" cases like mine though: Would you be able to push it closed *by the corner* if the drawer was 1m wide and only 30cm deep, or would it twist enough to wedge itself against the carcass like the Blum does? The lack of that stabilizer means one of two things: Either the slides themselves are so extremely rigid they won't let the drawer twist, or they haven't had too many cases like mine. It could be interesting to test...
@@koma-k it looks like free floating slides just like Blum, slides never %100 locked in to the drawer with either system which is good, they wouldnt have that smooth motion if they did. It will always wedge itself to carcass without a stabilizer, it will be same with Salice's as well.
@@karpuzsever Makes sense - carcasses and drawers aren't built to micron-level accuracy after all, so the slides need to be able to accomodate some variation.
@@koma-k just think about regular ball bearing telescopic slides, it doesn't matter how much you spend on perfect dimensions or how good the rails are, because it just squeeze the drawer in between, which leads to less satisfying motion compared to tandem like slides. If the drawers are deep enough, they will work without stabilization fine enough, but in extreme cases like yours, they re nice to have, hell we tend to install that rod as soon as we get pass 70cms to just to have ease of mind
As someone that’s done every aspect of cabinetry. I say with confidence that it’s the installers opinion that matters the most on the quality of the hardware. I look forward to trying these, but having not used them, I can say with little hesitation that Grass are the best. The Moventos are good, but they just aren’t as seamless as the grass and they have more deflection at full extension. Sometimes you can tell quality engineering by how simple they make complex functions feel to use.
I could be missing it on the Salice website, but appears its only for business to business transactions. I didn't see a way for a home based / DIY'er to get these. Checking Amazon and not seeing a lot of options there either.
I’m a “one system to rule them all” guy. If you used their box systems with the slides, does that change anything? Particularly at a production level? What about their respective accessories and organizers?
Just ordered a set of Blum, but was able to return, and picked these up and saved a bit as well. I am hoping they are smoother, which it looks like they will be. Thanks.
Ok but what's the difference useable drawer space? The new slides look bulkier, so does that sacrifice drawer width/height/depth? Secondly, are they hidden in the same way? Would a user see them on the undermount? Thanks!
Honestly, Blum has had the largest market share for a long time. With more competition, everybody wins. Expect Blum not to sit on the sideline because of this slide.
I may have missed it, but are the cutouts on the bottom of the drawer box the same as they are with BLUM slides? Can you directly swap Salice Progressa in lieu of the supplied BLUM and not have to modify the drawer box?
The options for push to open from salice arent really all available. The f70 push to open slides have been discontinued, and so far, I can't find anywhere to purchase the progressa push to open. I have been building cabinets with the futura push which seems to be the only option readily available.
These look interesting, i always stock about 40 boxes of blum undermounts but have used the older salice for years, they were far inferior to blum, the softclose mechanism would break sometimes and the plastic 3 way adjustment clips were absolutely horrible. Glad they stepped up their game. As of right now, i pay 18$ for blum undermount from my supplier and the salice progressa are 22$, ill try their push to open variant on my next order as again, their previous offering was absolutely horrible but far cheaper than grass or blum at the loss of the soft close feature. Time will tell, but for standard drawers if there is a 4$ savings per pair ill stick with blum, never had an issue and maybe now theyll step up their game since there is actual competition on the market
As others here have already stated, I'd like to know what the average number of cycle repetitions are before mechanism failure. Also I'd want to know how the mechanism responds to strenuous loading such as a situation where I might have an object catching on the inside and the drawer requiring extra force to open. Either way, competition benefits the buyer.
That’s because suppliers can be very location dependent. There are many suppliers. Here are some to check out. Cabinetparts.com Woodworkersexpress Hafele Richelieu
Have you seen any instructions specifically for inset drawer fronts? The Blum instructions provide a formula, I cannot find anything similar in the Salice instructions. I don't see anything about inset drawer fronts at all.
Stabilization and synchronization are 2 things. All drawers, no matter which brand, requires ideally a stabilizer for drawer over 36 inches wide. 2nd thing you must not, Blum runners are tested to 100K opening/closing cycles. Public information must be handled with care ;-)
Only time a bar is required is push to open Progressa and Progressa Plus. Back of drawer is your bar for regular soft close. And Progressa has not only done the testing as they are 100 lb dynamic, 120 lb static, Plus are 154 lb dynamic, 170 lb static and are also the ONLY 21 undermount to pass undermount slide tests vs everyone else putting 18 inch slides only to test.
Jason, do the undermount mounting jigs that you use when installing the Blums, work for the Salice as well? I have the same jigs....that's the reason for the question. Thanks.
Do you have experience with Hettich's line of concealed runners Quadro and Actro? I've been using the latter mainly because of their range but I wonder how they'd compare to the Salice.
Jason, I've been a Salice user for many years. There is a huge advantage in comparison to Blum, and this video is a perfect demonstration of those advantages. I think you hit on at least 95% of those if not every single one! Fantastic video, my friend! I like using an illustration comparing them to a car... Blum would be the Volvo... Dependable, reliable, rugged, and an excellent choice. Salice would be the Ferrari... Faster, sleeker, sexier, but still dependable, reliable, and rugged.. IMHO, a better choice.
Does anyone know whether the F70 push to open also support soft close ? From the descriptions in their website, it looks like you have to chose one: push to open or soft close, cannot have both. Blum can support both at the same time?
Only thing that changes in tandem and move to is slide and locking device the only major change to the box would be the back notch and that’s a very rare case.
I really want to try these out. I visited the Salice web site. Question, they use the term "SMOVE" in some of their products, is this basically soft close?
You mentioned in the comments that you're not purchasing the Salice slides from the distributor, but rather from somewhere else. Could I please have that name? 🙂 Thank you for reviewing this product. It is very timely.
Salice has made better hinges for ever and have been using them, these slides are the best on the market by far, I am not sure how the distribution will go, I checked with my vendor and they are $5 a pair less than the Blum tandem, plus they are far superior. I hope everyone sticks with Blum because they have good marketing.
I don't know what you're talking about because I just checked the progress slides at richieliue and they are 22$ a pair, I pay 18 a pair for standard blum. The standard progressa are the same price as what I pay for the movento. I guess your supplier was just raking you over the coals...
@@thewoodologist8176 well then keep using the inferior product I guess, makes it better for the rest of us, I don't do business with richleau anymore anyhow, they are difficult to deal with
You would need to check the prices at your supplier. I try not to talk pricing on items that are sold by various retailers across the country. The prices are dictated so it may be more or less depending on the store. Then I have people telling me how I’m wrong because the price is X on whatever website or store they shop at.
Blum конечно же интересно. Но больше интересно смотреть на то, что находится на заднем фоне. Все по полочкам, аккуратно и чистота. Лучший инструмент это - Festool, а фурнитура для мебели - Blum
I was wondering why adding complexity makes any sense here. Then there was the magic explanation. There obviously are two of those things, if they both have the exact same opening and closing action it is obviously much smoother.
Has anyone ordered these? I’m finding that you have to buy the clips separately anď I’m wondering what else do you have to buy? When I bought my 6-pack of Blum Tandem slides it came with all the necessary hardware for about $180 before taxes. So far the best I’m finding for Salice is roughly $240 before taxes for 6 pairs of slides and clips. I definitely think a 33% difference in price is significantly and necessarily “comparable” but these are Progressa+ and I can’t find just regular Progressa slides for at least a more proper comparison.
this must be a deal by the supplier to package them together, as there are different clips. With Progressa and Plus the same clips are used as you would have to change clips if you moved up to movento. , cost wise, have you tried all sources who carry salice?
Good timing. I was just looking at drawer slides for my miter station build. Not really planning on undermounts for this project though but this was still very good information. Side note, that loose flap of veneer on your miter station drawer is awfully distracting! I'm sure you have the glue in that shop to get that thing fixed!
Man i like the f70 but theyre so expensiveee. Also, I've been using the salice futura line and it seems like that's a closer competitor than the progressa is. Have you used the futura yet?
The Futura will still be available. The Progressa is the middle of the road slide. The F-70 has been re-named and is now the Progressa Plus. The Progressa will be priced to compete with the Blum Tandem. Which I think will be about $3.00 more per pair the the Futura you are accustomed to.
It’s never a good sign when you go to the website and, in order to find out the price of a particular drawer slide, you need to fill out a questionnaire and submit before seeing what the price is … so unless you mention the direct price comparison, this is a pass from me at least …
Yeah good luck with those. I ordered 12 pairs of Salice Futura (undermount push-to-open) and they came all jacked up from shipping. Salice will pack heavy slides in a box that is too big for the specific product and they throw in about 4ft of craft paper as if its going to keep things from banging around during shipping. So 5 of the slides arrived jammed in such a way that the intricate plastic parts snapped off so the mechanisms don't work at all. It's mind boggling how fragile these components are made. That tiny plastic (probably ABS) rack and pinion? Yeah say goodby to that after 2 years of use in an average kitchen. Hard pass
@andrhamm; Good to hear from actual experience...as a developer of consumer products, and industrial products, I recognized a pretty weak interface element, which would likely break under any heavy "differential" load, like somebody falling against the drawer, of something like some drawer content jamming on one side....
Naming conventions have gone off the deep end... Does the "Plus" model also need a subscription.. can I get the "Plus Ultra" for an extra monthly cost for soft close.. .. Ok.. I know my comment is ridiculous.... but this whole "Plus" thing has gotten out of hand.. my sons hockey club switched their (Club Name) Elite team name to... (Club name) Travel Plus..
Maybe you should change the name of your channel to Bent's Infomercials? Woodworking does not seem to describe your channel accurately. But I do like this Italian Design, so thanks.
Yeah you’re right. Why would a channel about woodworking ever make a video showing an incredible option for a drawer slide. There couldn’t possibly be any need for a woodworker to use a drawer slide at all. These definitely fall more into the automotive field I think.
I must admit, It looks great, but I have some doubts, since everything is made cheap these days, so there is a high chance of failure. The old construction is full metal and simple, so it can last longer. While this new design is more complicated, means it gives more space for errors. Also, the use of plastic parts in critical elements is very dangerous in the long term.
As somebody who knows very little about cabinetry, I had no clue there was such variability in drawer slide mechanisms and their function. What a fascinating corner of innovation.
I really want to like these drawer slides A LOT, but they do not disclose their pricing on their website. I hate it when buying something on the internet is more difficult than going fishing at my favorite spot. What do they have to hide, and why??
"If you have to ask what something costs..."
@@teadrinker7098 But, they're drawer slides not Lamborghinis.
they're ~60 bucks a pair for 53cm/21 inch, but it goes from like 20 per slide (40 for the pair) to 80 a pair depending where you get it from, so you're better off finding who stocks them at a decent price nearby or with reasonable delivery.
edit : apparently someone in the comments gets them for 22 a pair, so that's probably why there's no price on the website, they're very inconsistent.
@@kirkjohnson6638But they're CRAZY expensive for drawer slides. Seriously just HOW much better are these, really?
First rule is Europeans are bad at marketing. Second rule is traditional manufacturers don't want to sell direct to customers. You're completely right of course, but this is just how traditional manufacturers work.
Thanks from one of your local viewers. You are one of the best on YT.
Thank you so much!! I greatly appreciate it!!
As someone who does cabinet & furniture adjustment and repairs... these look like gold. Thankyou for going over the features which only those who actually work with these things will care about.
Glad you enjoyed it
What I need is a side-by-side (approx) price comparison of a 24" and a 30" progressive slide 4" and 8" deep drawers. 🤷♂ Thanks for introducing Salice and an alternative slide. 🙌
4 inch deep?
Great video! At 7:25 you mention the 6 way adjustability comparison. However you didn’t mention the Blum ‘tilt’ adjustment (at the rear of their runners). Does the Salice have this 8th feature (tilt up 7, tilt down 8)?
I thoroughly enjoyed and appreciated your exceptionally brilliant analysis on these new drawer slides!
Well-done, Sir!
Are the plastic rack and pinon parts replaceable?
ALL rack and pinion slides use said parts. Its all replaceable.
Such a life saver the day after I was shopping for drawer slides! Just in the nick of time! Thanks
Glad I could help!
do these install like the Blums? Are the notches on the back of the drawer boxes the same?
Good stuff 😀. When you build cabinets infrequently it’s tough to keep up with the the options for drawer slides . This really helps 😀
Glad you enjoyed it
I have been wanting to tell you thank you for your service to our country.
My pleasure
Thank you for taking some of the confusion out of the sometimes-overwhelming amount of choices when it comes to drawer hardware. Question: I assume their F70 drilling jig will work for the Progressa slides?
Glad it was helpful! And I assume it does how only the name changed.
do they have installation jigs or are there jigs from Rockler for these? Do they use the same jigs as Blum?
You can use the same
Thanks for the perfect video to answer all my questions about Salice! Do the progressas offer a forward tilt option similar to the rear hook on the moventos?
I switched my hinges from blum to salice because everything works together especially lazy suzan middle hinge.
Great video, Jason! As a Blum person, I am going to give these a shot. Thank you for the video.
I did and I haven’t regretted it. I have no negative thoughts on Blum, these are just better than the tandem I have always used. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a updated slide released from Blum now
I just got a master class on the latest advances on drawer slides...and Bent just got a 50% discount on Salice slides for life... or something like that. "Game changer" applies here.
What is the difference between the Progressa+ PUSH (push-to-open) and SMOVE (soft-close)?
Great information. I still havent jumped into the undermount drawer slides. Probably going to be what I use on my laundry room makeover.
Oh you definitely need to try undermount. You will never go back!
Excellent info. What I'm finding is that the Salice is about $4 more for the 21". Negligible difference.
Plastic gear and gear rack.
One child is all it will take to break those plastic gears. I do not like most under mount because they aren’t as durable as a set of ball bearing slides.
It can depend on the type of plastic. For example, if you were to take the case off of a garage door opener, you would find plastic gears inside; I have two garage openers where the plastic gear had to be replaced after a little over 15 years of service - and the replacement part is also plastic.
Having said that, I do share your concerns.
@@stevebabiak6997 I understand what you are saying, but there is a significant difference here. The gears on this slide will have to deal with a child trying to push the drawer the wrong way. This will add stress to the plastic. I don’t care what kid of plait is, it’s still plastic.
I'm generally of the opinion that plastic should never be used for any stressed parts.
And plastic ALWAYS DIES. Nothing for long life should use plastic.
Thanks for the overview/comparison. The simplicity and standardized adjustments in the Salice clips is an immediate selling point for me. I once tried pricing out some Blum undermount slides and I got lost in all the options and part numbers. I've built my own freaking computers since I was a kid so I'm no stranger to selecting components based on compatibility, and I still struggle to make sense of Blum's hardware catalog. I'm sure someone who lives and breathes Blum hardware installations professionally would know exactly what parts to get for what situation, but as a hobbyist/DIYer, I need something more straight-forward.
Yeah it can be confusing for sure. I find Salice more user friendly especially for those not as familiar with the catalogs
great video! a few questions: 1. have you used the progressa's in an inset application? if so, how was the adjustment capabilities etc using them in an inset application? 2. if using in an inset , which one do you recommend ? the progressa's or the plus? We are a custom shop and have been using tandems for years but always looking for improvements especially if it means better $$ :)
Progressa if you want to save on $$. But again, it depends on your drawer box dimension and weight rating desired/needed.
That racking mechanism has a plastic interface gear, and if someone, for instance, falls against an open drawer, it looks like it's a weak point, and could fail easily under a "differential load".... Just a thought.
It was my first thought too. They look like a guaranteed failure point but I think the design accounts for this. Assuming the runners cannot slip sideways, the cog is only dealing with the rolling resistance forces as the runner extends or retracts, no vertical or horizontal loads. You'd hope the tolerances in the runners were fairly tight.
I also was thinking if something falls behind the drawer from an upper drawer and blocks it shutting, the owner is likely to apply more force and both the cog and the rack look fragile
Its a strong slide, the ONLY undermount to pass BIFMA and other tests for a 21 inch length, all others did test at 18 inch. I'd worry about anyone falling on an open drawer, depending on their weight they will destroy any drawer. ;)
@@HowievYT try it. its a superior slide.
That rack and pinion system on those slides man... Could almost feel the smoothness and stability just by watching it. 😂😂😂 Going to be picking up some of these for the bedroom dressers I have to build. Nothing more satisfying than furniture with doors and drawers that run smooth as silk.
Oh yeah!
"Cheaper" and "less expensive" convey different meanings to me but I'm an Ole Phart😂
Inexpensive/less expensive mean less cost or more value for same price; cheap means shoddy, ill-made, and inferior quality, regardless of price.
Not complaining -- just noting.
Its a better slide. It passed tests on undermount slides that everyone else put 18 Inch to test, Progressa is ONLY slide to pass the test at 21 inch.
This was another great video and I love everything u do and your the best and it was so much fun meeting u and thank u for being there and your the best and a great wood worker and u always will be and u won’t stop ever sir!!
Always good to have alternatives and competition - Blum is pretty dominant in many markets from what I gather.
I do wonder about the stabilizer, or rather lack of that option from Salice though: In our kitchen we have a few 1m wide, 30cm deep drawers, and without the stabilizer trying to pull the drawer open on a corner (or close to one) would simply wedge it against the carcass. Would the Salice slides be so stiff sideways that they really don't need that stabilizer?
BTW that stabilizer has nothing(*) to do with push open; it's just to stop wide, short drawers like ours to "twist" when pulled or pushed by the corners. *: There's a separate synchronizer for push open where the stabilizer is not needed that functions the same as Salice's by linking the mechanisms. I'm assuming that if the stabilizer is installed the synchronizer is not needed.
The synchronization feature in the Salice slides makes the stabilizer bar unnecessary. I saw a video where a guy put his 150 lb wife inside a drawer shut it and pushed to open it was amazing.
@@DavidSzpiech that example doesn't say anything about how rigid it is in "extreme" cases like mine though: Would you be able to push it closed *by the corner* if the drawer was 1m wide and only 30cm deep, or would it twist enough to wedge itself against the carcass like the Blum does? The lack of that stabilizer means one of two things: Either the slides themselves are so extremely rigid they won't let the drawer twist, or they haven't had too many cases like mine. It could be interesting to test...
@@koma-k it looks like free floating slides just like Blum, slides never %100 locked in to the drawer with either system which is good, they wouldnt have that smooth motion if they did. It will always wedge itself to carcass without a stabilizer, it will be same with Salice's as well.
@@karpuzsever Makes sense - carcasses and drawers aren't built to micron-level accuracy after all, so the slides need to be able to accomodate some variation.
@@koma-k just think about regular ball bearing telescopic slides, it doesn't matter how much you spend on perfect dimensions or how good the rails are, because it just squeeze the drawer in between, which leads to less satisfying motion compared to tandem like slides. If the drawers are deep enough, they will work without stabilization fine enough, but in extreme cases like yours, they re nice to have, hell we tend to install that rod as soon as we get pass 70cms to just to have ease of mind
Could find nothing on them on there web page and only 1 on amazon. Do you have a better source for these please?
As someone that’s done every aspect of cabinetry. I say with confidence that it’s the installers opinion that matters the most on the quality of the hardware.
I look forward to trying these, but having not used them, I can say with little hesitation that Grass are the best.
The Moventos are good, but they just aren’t as seamless as the grass and they have more deflection at full extension.
Sometimes you can tell quality engineering by how simple they make complex functions feel to use.
I could be missing it on the Salice website, but appears its only for business to business transactions. I didn't see a way for a home based / DIY'er to get these. Checking Amazon and not seeing a lot of options there either.
Just in time for my kitchen remodel. Thanks!
Perfect!
You mentioned the holes line up. Does this include the hole on the back of the drawer box?
Yes, same location
@@bentswoodworking Thanks. I actually just finished watching your install video and saw it was answered there too. Thank you.
Thk U 4 the video as a finish contractor that does built in & vanities much appreciated!
Glad you enjoyed it
I’m a “one system to rule them all” guy. If you used their box systems with the slides, does that change anything? Particularly at a production level? What about their respective accessories and organizers?
Just ordered a set of Blum, but was able to return, and picked these up and saved a bit as well. I am hoping they are smoother, which it looks like they will be. Thanks.
They are!
Ok but what's the difference useable drawer space? The new slides look bulkier, so does that sacrifice drawer width/height/depth?
Secondly, are they hidden in the same way? Would a user see them on the undermount?
Thanks!
Thanks for this. I'm about to do my first undermount drawer slide installation.
Are the Futura slides just the Progressa without the adjustment?
The Progressa is a completely different product than the Futura. Futura installs differently
Jason,
Have you done a video comparing concealed cabinet hinges like the ones from SOSS?
Really appreciate the in depth review of these. I've always wanted another alternative to the BLUMs tandem.
Glad I could help!
Honestly, Blum has had the largest market share for a long time. With more competition, everybody wins. Expect Blum not to sit on the sideline because of this slide.
@@youngmaster504 Yes, Blum has great marketing, but Salice has also been in business alot longer, 1st to come out with soft close ;) etc.
I may have missed it, but are the cutouts on the bottom of the drawer box the same as they are with BLUM slides? Can you directly swap Salice Progressa in lieu of the supplied BLUM and not have to modify the drawer box?
My supplier lists the Progressa as a face frame application. Is there a reason these wouldn't be useable on frameless applications?
I'm wondering the same thing
Progressa can be used in Frameless or Frame style.
They can be used for either
The options for push to open from salice arent really all available. The f70 push to open slides have been discontinued, and so far, I can't find anywhere to purchase the progressa push to open. I have been building cabinets with the futura push which seems to be the only option readily available.
F70 (now Progressa+) Push to open are available through any local Salice distributor
I can’t find 12 f70… are futura the same?
@@kevinb6102 Futura are a great slide but the F70 are rated at 154lbs Dynamic Load and they have the dual rack and pinion of the Progressa.
@@kennyclerke3404 thanks !!!
@@kevinb6102 now called Progressa and Progressa plus
They look really nice, will you do a video covering install of the Saliche?
I have a video on installing them 👍
These look interesting, i always stock about 40 boxes of blum undermounts but have used the older salice for years, they were far inferior to blum, the softclose mechanism would break sometimes and the plastic 3 way adjustment clips were absolutely horrible. Glad they stepped up their game. As of right now, i pay 18$ for blum undermount from my supplier and the salice progressa are 22$, ill try their push to open variant on my next order as again, their previous offering was absolutely horrible but far cheaper than grass or blum at the loss of the soft close feature. Time will tell, but for standard drawers if there is a 4$ savings per pair ill stick with blum, never had an issue and maybe now theyll step up their game since there is actual competition on the market
Depending on where you go, you will see it is a savings as well as a better slide. ( Progressa) trying is best.
I couldn't find anywhere online that has the progressa plus for sale, only the progressa smove.
As others here have already stated, I'd like to know what the average number of cycle repetitions are before mechanism failure. Also I'd want to know how the mechanism responds to strenuous loading such as a situation where I might have an object catching on the inside and the drawer requiring extra force to open. Either way, competition benefits the buyer.
did the veneer rip off that drawer front?
Thanks Jason. Great video/information. Makes sense to switch!
Glad it was helpful!
Great information. Thank you for the video.
I would love to buy these but I cannot figure out where to buy them. I wish you would have given us a supplier's name.
That’s because suppliers can be very location dependent. There are many suppliers. Here are some to check out.
Cabinetparts.com
Woodworkersexpress
Hafele
Richelieu
@@bentswoodworking thank you.
Have you seen any instructions specifically for inset drawer fronts? The Blum instructions provide a formula, I cannot find anything similar in the Salice instructions. I don't see anything about inset drawer fronts at all.
Great video! I’m sold.
Hope you enjoy it!
Stabilization and synchronization are 2 things. All drawers, no matter which brand, requires ideally a stabilizer for drawer over 36 inches wide. 2nd thing you must not, Blum runners are tested to 100K opening/closing cycles. Public information must be handled with care ;-)
"Requires ideally" I wouldn't use in a sentence together. It's either you require it, or it is ideally recommended. Do you work for Blum? lol
We also need more videos like this well done Bent's Woodworking. We need more Woodworking influencers, everybody wins :D
Only time a bar is required is push to open Progressa and Progressa Plus. Back of drawer is your bar for regular soft close. And Progressa has not only done the testing as they are 100 lb dynamic, 120 lb static, Plus are 154 lb dynamic, 170 lb static and are also the ONLY 21 undermount to pass undermount slide tests vs everyone else putting 18 inch slides only to test.
Jason, do the undermount mounting jigs that you use when installing the Blums, work for the Salice as well? I have the same jigs....that's the reason for the question. Thanks.
The jig will work for the Progressa, all locations are the same.
@@matthewmanz7311 Thank you.
Yes they do
Do you have experience with Hettich's line of concealed runners Quadro and Actro? I've been using the latter mainly because of their range but I wonder how they'd compare to the Salice.
I have not. I have used Blum and Salice
Is the pinion made out of plastic?
I just prefer side mounts. There is less to go wrong, they are cheap, strong, and available in a matter of minutes if a replacement is ever needed.
Jason, I've been a Salice user for many years. There is a huge advantage in comparison to Blum, and this video is a perfect demonstration of those advantages. I think you hit on at least 95% of those if not every single one! Fantastic video, my friend! I like using an illustration comparing them to a car...
Blum would be the Volvo... Dependable, reliable, rugged, and an excellent choice.
Salice would be the Ferrari... Faster, sleeker, sexier, but still dependable, reliable, and rugged.. IMHO, a better choice.
I made the switch and haven’t looked back!
Hi, i little of topic but i noticed that you have plugged the dog holes in your MFT benches and i wondered why and with what?
Does anyone know whether the F70 push to open also support soft close ? From the descriptions in their website, it looks like you have to chose one: push to open or soft close, cannot have both. Blum can support both at the same time?
That is correct! Either push to open OR soft close; not both.
Only thing that changes in tandem and move to is slide and locking device the only major change to the box would be the back notch and that’s a very rare case.
Thanks for posting this! Very informative and concise.
I really want to try these out. I visited the Salice web site. Question, they use the term "SMOVE" in some of their products, is this basically soft close?
You mentioned in the comments that you're not purchasing the Salice slides from the distributor, but rather from somewhere else. Could I please have that name? 🙂
Thank you for reviewing this product. It is very timely.
You don’t buy direct from Salice. Instead you buy from places like Wurth, Richelieu hardware, cabinetpart.com, etc
Whats the difference between progressa and the futuras?
I have been unable to find someone who sells Salice Progressa to a DIY. Blum no problem finding them for sale even on Amazon.
Salice has made better hinges for ever and have been using them, these slides are the best on the market by far, I am not sure how the distribution will go, I checked with my vendor and they are $5 a pair less than the Blum tandem, plus they are far superior. I hope everyone sticks with Blum because they have good marketing.
I don't know what you're talking about because I just checked the progress slides at richieliue and they are 22$ a pair, I pay 18 a pair for standard blum. The standard progressa are the same price as what I pay for the movento. I guess your supplier was just raking you over the coals...
@@thewoodologist8176 well then keep using the inferior product I guess, makes it better for the rest of us, I don't do business with richleau anymore anyhow, they are difficult to deal with
@@thewoodologist8176 did you try Hafele?
Has anyone tried to use these under mount slides on a drawer that has a half blind dovetail front? Is it possible without the slide being visible?
For a pull out application? There is the Progressa Plus Shelf slide, which is completely bottom mounted and has no side cage.
Great info. Thanks!
Do the new Salice slides use the same notch and bore pattern as the Blum?
The notch for Progressa is 2” (a little bigger than Blum’s) but the bayonet hole is the same size and location.
I wish you would have discussed the actual cost between the slides.
Totally agree. Price point will dictate to me what I buy
You would need to check the prices at your supplier. I try not to talk pricing on items that are sold by various retailers across the country. The prices are dictated so it may be more or less depending on the store. Then I have people telling me how I’m wrong because the price is X on whatever website or store they shop at.
Blum конечно же интересно. Но больше интересно смотреть на то, что находится на заднем фоне. Все по полочкам, аккуратно и чистота. Лучший инструмент это - Festool, а фурнитура для мебели - Blum
I was wondering why adding complexity makes any sense here. Then there was the magic explanation. There obviously are two of those things, if they both have the exact same opening and closing action it is obviously much smoother.
Tandem and movento are also interchangeable same boring pattern, same drawer box construction specs
Tandem and Movento use different front clips. The Progressa and Progressa Plus use the SAME front clips.
Has anyone ordered these? I’m finding that you have to buy the clips separately anď I’m wondering what else do you have to buy? When I bought my 6-pack of Blum Tandem slides it came with all the necessary hardware for about $180 before taxes. So far the best I’m finding for Salice is roughly $240 before taxes for 6 pairs of slides and clips. I definitely think a 33% difference in price is significantly and necessarily “comparable” but these are Progressa+ and I can’t find just regular Progressa slides for at least a more proper comparison.
this must be a deal by the supplier to package them together, as there are different clips. With Progressa and Plus the same clips are used as you would have to change clips if you moved up to movento. , cost wise, have you tried all sources who carry salice?
Great review!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great info, thank you very much.
Glad it was helpful!
Good timing. I was just looking at drawer slides for my miter station build. Not really planning on undermounts for this project though but this was still very good information. Side note, that loose flap of veneer on your miter station drawer is awfully distracting! I'm sure you have the glue in that shop to get that thing fixed!
🤣 luckily I will be building a new one this year.
Yeah I noticed that too, and yes it does distract your eyes. 😲
Who’d have thought that 150k other people would be so interested in draw slides!!
There doesn’t appear to be a link to the project website
In the video description
In the video description
@@bentswoodworkingdoesn't appear to be a link in the video description....
@@scottstarek4996 Its literally in the first line under video views
Awesome video as usual
Appreciate that
Man i like the f70 but theyre so expensiveee. Also, I've been using the salice futura line and it seems like that's a closer competitor than the progressa is. Have you used the futura yet?
The Futura will still be available. The Progressa is the middle of the road slide. The F-70 has been re-named and is now the Progressa Plus. The Progressa will be priced to compete with the Blum Tandem. Which I think will be about $3.00 more per pair the the Futura you are accustomed to.
It’s never a good sign when you go to the website and, in order to find out the price of a particular drawer slide, you need to fill out a questionnaire and submit before seeing what the price is … so unless you mention the direct price comparison, this is a pass from me at least …
Well you would be buying these from a distributor not from the company. Thats how most companies operate. I order from suppliers
@@bentswoodworking can you supply a link to supplier?
@@bentswoodworking since posting the comment, I found them on Amazon … comparable pricing … thanks!
The day after my Blum undermount slides arrive, I watch this video. Talk about terrible timing on my part.
🤦🏼♂️ next time
Great to see another lifetime warranted slide.....
Yeah good luck with those. I ordered 12 pairs of Salice Futura (undermount push-to-open) and they came all jacked up from shipping. Salice will pack heavy slides in a box that is too big for the specific product and they throw in about 4ft of craft paper as if its going to keep things from banging around during shipping. So 5 of the slides arrived jammed in such a way that the intricate plastic parts snapped off so the mechanisms don't work at all. It's mind boggling how fragile these components are made. That tiny plastic (probably ABS) rack and pinion? Yeah say goodby to that after 2 years of use in an average kitchen. Hard pass
@andrhamm;
Good to hear from actual experience...as a developer of consumer products, and industrial products, I recognized a pretty weak interface element, which would likely break under any heavy "differential" load, like somebody falling against the drawer, of something like some drawer content jamming on one side....
One thing I did notice is rhat Salice's website sssuuuuccckkss. It's borderline impossible to navigate.
Naming conventions have gone off the deep end... Does the "Plus" model also need a subscription.. can I get the "Plus Ultra" for an extra monthly cost for soft close.. .. Ok.. I know my comment is ridiculous.... but this whole "Plus" thing has gotten out of hand.. my sons hockey club switched their (Club Name) Elite team name to... (Club name) Travel Plus..
I think you may have sold me here.
They are great and I use the for everything now
Grass is the best.
The Progressa line specifically seems to be very hard to find in North AMerica. I've only found them at Hafele.
Maybe you should change the name of your channel to Bent's Infomercials? Woodworking does not seem to describe your channel accurately. But I do like this Italian Design, so thanks.
Yeah you’re right. Why would a channel about woodworking ever make a video showing an incredible option for a drawer slide. There couldn’t possibly be any need for a woodworker to use a drawer slide at all. These definitely fall more into the automotive field I think.
Excellent info, excellent. Italy is a plus
Glad you think so!
So despite you refusing to say it, they are a replacement for the Blum slides...
For the life of me I can't find pricing. Their website shows me a distributor, maybe I need to call to find out...
Edit. Amazon. 62 bucks for 21 inch
Just about to order a heap of movento slides for a job and saw this.. Awesome, a few problems solved...oh not available in Australia yet...goddamnit.
Seems odd not to even mention warranty.
I must admit, It looks great, but I have some doubts, since everything is made cheap these days, so there is a high chance of failure. The old construction is full metal and simple, so it can last longer. While this new design is more complicated, means it gives more space for errors. Also, the use of plastic parts in critical elements is very dangerous in the long term.