Strong Man vs Tai Chi: Using Tai Chi to Overcome Strength; A Secret Revealed
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- In this video, Susan Thompson Tai Chi, picks a person she does not know who has considerable size and strength advantage and experiments to see if she can move him from his base when he resists. She demonstrates using the Tai Chi principle of connecting to the opponents fascia. Watch as Susan not only demonstrates success, but also teaches the technique in a short amount of time to someone not indoctrinated to Tai Chi.
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I have learned so much from your videos. Would love to see more videos on this topic.
Thankyou for all that you do to bring our tai chi to another level.
That is my goal, to bring Tai Chi to a better understood level. I'll definitely be posting more videos on this and related topics.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Nice explanation and demo. Txs. Request for a longer in depth version of this content, especially with how to connect form practice to this.
Absolutely! I certainly will do so. Right now I'm just demonstrating and laying the ground work so people can see it's possible. Later I'll give specific instructions, drills and put it into the context of our Tai Chi movements.
@@InternalTaiChi Very cool. Tell us more please!
Will do!
Wow! Perfect! You are a incredible teacher, Susan! Looking forward and hoping to be a student of yours someday! Best wishes!
Thank you, Sam! I'm glad you're still watching. Thanks for the comments too. One day I'll do a workshop and maybe you can come and learn directly! In the meantime I always enjoy knowing you're watching, learning and valuing my videos.
Thank you for this channel, this is the first video I’ve seen and subbed! I’m currently training in TKD to build a strong leg and footwork foundation, along with agility and endurance, will move to upper body work later, but I really wanted to learn tai chi along side as my evening workout routine!
Thank you. I am honored to be your very first channel to which you subscribed! :-) There are plenty of videos on my channel from which to learn. Check out my various playlists to see videos categorized by topic. www.youtube.com/@internaltaichi then select the playlist tab at the top. Enjoy!
I love your channel. I've been watching your channel since I discovered it about 8 years ago. I don't know why, but I thought you were based in New England. This video looks like it could have been filmed on my old street in Frisco TX. What a shocker!
Thank you so much. Yes you are right! I live in the DFW area. In fact I used to teach Tai Chi in Frisco.
Thank you for being a dedicated viewer.
@@InternalTaiChi Do you still teach in the Frisco area? Or do you know of anyone that does? Thank you! Love your channel!
Excellent demonstration! Great explanation!
Subscribed.
Thank you for the comment, for watching and subscribing!
you could explain the essence of tai chi better than any master tai chi, so far no chinese tai chi master had ever explained this to us. please continue your good work.
Thank you for your kind comment! I will certainly keep producing videos and lessons to bring a deeper understanding of Tai Chi to the world!
My Chinese Master did explain...you were probably dealing with frauds .
Perfect, thank you!!! My teacher dimitris pitianoudis, instructor of wu tai chi, his teacher is bruce koumar frantzis, told me the same!! This is perfect, the real power, not from muscles, but from alignmentyour body, your bones!!! PERFECT!!!!
Thank you so much. It is great, isn't it, when hear something that validates what we have learned or heard before? Thank you for commenting and providing your insight.
Hey, that was cool. You've got great energy. Great video.
Thank you so much 🤗
@ChristianCBE Yes of course, I was talking about her personality and charisma on camera. But yeah, that is a good trick, she might have been doing a couple of other simple things too that most Muggles don't usually think about.😉
I guess you could qualify all hidden Tai Chi techniques and intentions as "tricks." That is what makes Tai Chi so magical and counter intuitive. Thanks, @alsporter88, for your comment. 👍
she legit
dont mess
Thank you. 😊
Great demonstration 👍
Thank you! 😊
Great work 💪🏼👊🏼🙏🏼🙂☯️
Thank you 🙌
I’ve been seeing a lot of these demos on YT lately and my wife saw this and wanted to try. Neither of us got any reaction at all.
Thanks for commenting. The one thing people leave out is connecting to the other person's joints. You probably had the fascia but didn't connect to the joints.
If you were here, I could teach you both just as quickly and easily as I did Casey. ☺️
Feel free to email me and we can troubleshoot.
@@ChristianCBE that might be your 40 year old trick but that’s not what she is doing. 🙏🏼
Thank you @40JoCharles for your support and accurate insight.
That was beautiful.
Thank you! 😊
More like this plz 😉
You bet! I have two more ready to go. I'm choosing random people to keep it real. Thanks for watching!
Super cool to see your success, Susan!!
I took a couple of your con-ed courses almost a decade ago now and look how you’ve grown in your practice, understanding and ability to communicate these difficult to explain ideas!!
Absolutely awesome, cheers :)
P.S. I’ve continued my personal practice at a dojo “Genji Kai Karate and Tai chi” off campus Bowie in Fort Worth for the past 8 years, would never have if not for inspiration from you along the way 💯🎶🫶
Hi Braeden! Of course! I remember you. I remember you seeing me a few years later and sharing the story of the lady at the park that started having seizures and how you used Tai Chi in the moment to help her.
Yes, my practice has certainly changed and expanded. I teach live streaming 3x a week, and still teach a few in person classes too. Plus the depth of practice has grown tenfold. It has been such a fulfilling journey.
Thank you for reaching out and commenting. I think it is great for others to read that students from my past are still in touch! I hope you are doing well. And how inspiring to me (and hopefully others) that you have kept up the practice!
We're big fans of Susan Thompson!!!
Thank you so much! 😊
Cool!
Thank you. ☺️
Oh Susan, no you dit-int !
Anothr excellent presentation, thank you !
Bill P.
LOL...yes. Thanks for making me smile. Good to hear from you. Thanks for watching. :-)
@@InternalTaiChi Always a pleasure ! 😀
It’s called the power of suggestion. I’ve seen it in Some churches people will do anything if they think they’re supposed to five bucks says you tell someone the opposite thing that should happen and you’ll see the opposite thing will happen. He was going along with you subconsciously.
The reason I am choosing subjects other than my students is because I want to have a clean slate, without the person being able to anticipate or have any idea what is going to happen. Suppose you weigh 170lbs. Do you really think you could move a 320lb man that doesn't know what you are going to do with "power of suggestion?" That is the ratio of this gentleman's mass versus mine, not to mention his strength. It is just not possible that I am moving him through power of suggestion. Gosh if I were, I would start moving a whole lot of other things and people around too! In fact, that would be alot more impressive skill than the one I am demonstrating! lol....
I actually enjoy the comments from the doubters because it reveals how challenging it is to wrap one's mind around this concept of what is being done here. When to me it has now become so easy and obvious. I lose sight of how it does not look possible. AND I used to be one of those doubters, (although I never publicly told someone that their efforts are not valid).
Wishing you the best on your own journey!
Yes, excellent. We practice to Relax completely, keep weight underside, keep one point, this is your center of gravity by your belly and finally extent your Ki.
Thank you. All good outcomes for practice!
Thanks for explaining power of tai chi over raw physical strength.
Can you pls give some demo on power of chi alone.
Yes, I will do that. I will say it is a more subtle technique and sometimes hard to show on video. Also, it will bring alot of doubters. :-) But I will make a video. I have a short showing moving someone with Song and Qi. Thanks for watching and for making the request!
Excellent
Thank you!
This was faschinating
Thank you!
I think the fascia is the body's energetic distribution system and houses the qi pathways that branch off to the organs.
What a great insight! I think so too. Have you read the book: "Fascia: What it is and Why it Matters”? From the sound of your comment, I think you would really like that book.
@@InternalTaiChi I have not read it, but thanks for the suggestion. I just found it on Amazon.
3:01 and 4:05 Nice application I am working to make this feel noncrazy that way I feel it will be more accessible for me to use.Hopefully with a little more experiance
Just a bit of practice and trusting the technique and you'll have it in no time.
@@InternalTaiChiThank you for the encouragement I go to a pushhands meet up in Los Angeles.I have an awesome teacher I met there who showed me something very similar to what your demonstrating here
Finding a good practice partner is often the most challenging part. You're lucky you have a group to work with!
@@ChristianCBEIf shes doing this by only physical means then he will feel this and resist with enough streagth not to be moved. You can move someone by bypassing the physical and using sensitivity to enter and connect to feel where there is streagth and where there is no support and yes you do change the angle but there is alot more going on
You are correct, Eric. Thank you for the insight and support. :-)
i'm a bit confused : you pushed casey over by confusing his nervous system b/c the force of your push stays in the fascial layers, not directing your force through his muscles or bones... and then you also said that if he can lift using his fascia, then he can lift more?? can you clarify? esp about how to access our fascia to lift more or be stronger (and presumably faster)...?
This is a great question. The key is to bypass your own muscular force as well and to use your fascia as much as possible instead. I'll make a video demonstrating the differences. In the meantime you can try holding and carrying two fairly heavy grocery bags. First carry them by contracting your muscles, your biceps, deltoid, etc all working. This is how we normally carry the bags. Next, let your arms down by your side while carrying the bags. Imagine the external mesh of fascia and become comfortable with the weight you're carrying, allowing it to spread over your back. Now you're sending and using the fascia to support and carry the bags instead. When you lift the bags to the counter, continue to spread the force weight across the body rather than to the muscles.
The interesting thing is fascia remodels itself based on how we use it. If it speed you want, you can develop the fascia to support speed and reduce injury.
You're confused because it's silly. Fascia Ishtar some mystical "system" that your body is confused by... your body knows exactly what fascia is surrounds every connective tissue organ etcetera in the body
I am an occupational therapist and have an intimate knowledge of the fascia and it's feedback system. I have dissected and held human fascia in my hands. What are your qualifications to make such as statement? Our muscles, joints and tendons/ligaments have golgi receptors which work and are activated through heavy work, gravity and force and gives us proprioceptive feedback. When someone issues through the body directly, these golgi receptors are activated and give the person proprioceptive feedback, allowing them to know exactly where the force is coming from and how to counter it. The fascia on the other hand does not have these receptors. Our neurological system can not interpret light influence upon the fascia. That is where the body gets confused and can't engage an immediate counter to that issuance. All I ask is that you try it before you start name calling and labeling with derogatory comments such as "silly."
Can you still do this in a martial setting? For instance if someone has a knife in their hand or if they're wearing a coat? If they're wearing a coat how can you assess the correct pressure?
You ask really great questions. I personally do not feel I have the skills (yet) to confidently use this skill in a martial setting. Eventually I will though. So, the answer is YES. All you need is a bit of contact and you can use the fascia to take them off balance. And if they are wearing a coat, you pull on the coat, to get to the fascia! The coat works to your advantage. You do not need to assess their posture, only feel and sense it. The more refined you get with the skill, the less touch pressure you need.
@@InternalTaiChi really appreciate the replies and engagement Susan! ♥
You are welcome. It looks like you are following Shifu Lin as well. He has a good video demonstrating warding off a pseudo knife attack with this fascia strategy. Check it out if you haven't already. 👍
Hey Sue, i could not see your comments on my phone's YT app at all. Did you reply to a comment that I previously posted, or did you send me a DM ?
I replied to your YT comment but maybe it is not showing because the individual we were both commenting on was deleted. I was just thanking you for your support in that exchange and that both I, and my viewers appreciated your supportive comment! Thank you! (I am not sure how to direct message you..lol).
@@InternalTaiChi Ahh, got ya. Yeah, I'm just keepin' it real and telling it like it is. Some people just love to assume things without doing full research into them first, or come from a background where those things are a normal part of life.
For those who are knowledgeable in both Chinese martial arts (not the actual fighting, but just knowledge of how they work and their philosophies) AND astrophysics and quantum physics, you would know that "chi" is basically the Higgs Field. If you know how to manipulate chi, then you would be able to manipulate matter and energy as well (since the Higgs Field is what gives particles their masses in this universe). Like "The Force" in Star Wars, if you can manipulate chi, you can use it to heal or make a living organism (or any other matter) "explode" from the inside out !! And there's a branch of Chinese martial arts specializing in this style of kung fu that not too many non-Chinese know about, and it's called "Nei Kung" (or "Internal Kung Fu") and it's sub-branch more famously known as "Chi Kung" (or literally, "Pressure Kung Fu", from which the "chi" part of the term "tai chi" comes from), and yes, you would have to spend at least 20 years of your life isolated as a hermit, away from society, focusing on learning nothing except this type of martial arts before you can even achieve any sort of neophyte results, and that's a fact !!
Anyway, I love what you're doing, spreading and teaching the basics of taichi for the benefit of society. You oughta be commended. Keep up the great work and YT channel.
BTW, it used to be that YT allowed users to write personally to each other, but it was more of like an email style where each user had their own YT inbox. So, my bad, maybe "DM" wasn't the best term to use. lol
Just tapping into the balance. Nothing "western" about the other way - in fact we know about "fascia" thanks to western science
The western example was the issuance of force without regard to the fascia. Force on force. The technique used instead, is to use a lighter touch while tapping into the fascia. This is a more eastern approach in my perspective. You are correct that we are discovering more scientifically about the fascia thanks to western medicine. Perhaps a better delineation on my part would simply be Force/Strength vs light touch and fascia connection rather than whose responsible for the concept.
You do, most don't
I see the haters enjoyed this one. That means you are doing something right. 😂👌🏼💪🏼👊🏼🙏🏼☯️
Thank you! That is what my mentor and Tai chi friend says as well. It is hard to believe and understand unless you actually feel it. Thanks for the insight, support and comments!
This is why I like to call taijiquan friction boxing.
That is a really great name for it! Superficial friction, just riding on the top surface. Thanks for watching, for your insight and comment!
Very impressive on the lady's side. But... When the man is doing it to her, i feel as soon as she gets a little bit of the feeling she exaggerates her reaction to move back. Ive trained with people who do internals that have done the same thing as if its a positive reinforcement. If he was to do it to a thrid party it might be less effectivie
This is good insight and viewpoint. Keep in mind I am about 100lbs lighter than him. If he was doing it to someone of equal size the initial results might not be as dramatic. He did learn fast and I did not exaggerate. You'll see differing results as I video more people. The good point you do make is it is important to practice with a variety of people, strengths, mindsets and sizes.
At the end.."I'm going to resist just as much" while you were obviously not resisting at all
Until you feel it you won't understand it. I was resisting as much. In fact the more I resist the more it will shoot me back. It may not look like it to you because of my size difference. I mean really, how much can I resist this very strong gentle man? But in fact I'm offering lots of resistance. That's the magic of this. It looks like nothing. Thanks for watching.
@@InternalTaiChi
I was comparing the way you resisted without the fascia trick vs with the fascia trick. Your effort level was clearly different in those two cases.
Hi Jason. It may look that way, certainly. However, the way this works, the harder I push, the more it will eject me away. So although it may not look like I am pushing the same amount of force, I truly am. Also keep in mind, the individual I am pushing is easily twice my weight, so it is hard to determine how hard I am pushing...kinda like watching me push a wall. lol. Your comment gives me good ideas for my next video, and for that I am thankful. I am a therapist and so have access to some measurement tools. I will try to use a meter that shows the amount of pressure I am issuing so it is more concretely evident.
Thanks for watching and engaging your thoughts. Wishing you all the best.
Muito simpática!
Obrigada!
Tai ji is primarily a fighting style. How is any of this relevant to actual combat ?
Great question. With the right level of skill an opponent can be easily disengaged. I am NOT at that skill level (yet). But also what I am demonstrating has other applications that I am more interested in; moving more effectively, preserving my joints, generating power with less effort, etc. The martial art application, while impressive, is the lowest hanging branch of what Tai Chi and this technique can provide to one's life. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Pretty good. Hands placement isn't issue when you reach higher stages
Very true.
@@ChristianCBE that's just a beginner stage demonstration
First subject ? 😱
Yes my first random person with no knowledge of Tai Chi or what I was going to do. As opposed to my students who have some anticipation and understanding. Casey therefore is my first random person to try this with and more to come!
Not to be a troll here as Tai Chi already receives it's fair share of negativity from naysayers within the MMA community on the regular, but did you really name your channel "Internal Tai Chi"? Talk about redundant, it's like a channel devoted to professional swimming naming its channel, "Wet Water Swimming", or a carpentry channel called "Working With Wood From Trees", or a channel devoted to art called "Painting with Pigments" or a bowling channel called "Bowling With Balls". I have been involved with Chen, Yang, and Wu styles of Taijiquan starting back in the late 80's and I have yet to hear of any branch of Tai Chi that was purposely external in its training or use. That said your skill in Tai Chi is excellent, your knowledge of Tai Chi is excellent and your ability to teach and explain everything clearly is also excellent.
Ha! Ha! I like your comment and insight. You are very correct that it is a redundancy. However, and sadly, many people only know and have experienced Tai Chi from a superficial, external manner. You have been blessed in your martial art journey if you have not witnessed that. Many people start completely external (learning just the movements for "exercise") and never realize that there is an entirely different and valuable part to Tai Chi which involves that which is not seen, but is felt and cultivated in a different way than just in movements and forms.
Also, keep in mind TH-cam algorithms works on WORDS and TITLES. So the wording, no matter how redundant it may seem, is helpful in people finding me.
By the way, I play Uke too!
Wishing you the best.
@@InternalTaiChi Ok, that's a valid point, and I can understand why you named your channel the way you did in regards to the algorithms used on YT and the misconceptions beginners may have with what Tai Chi is. That's awesome that your a fellow Uker, I love playing it daily. May you have continued success with your channel and wishing you the best as well.
@@BaritoneUkeBeast4Life Thanks for understanding. One of my main goals is to elevate the knowledge of what Tai Chi is, and ...isn't. 🙂 I have a degree in music, but my instrument was a low brass instrument. When I could no longer play it due to the weight of it, I dabbled in other instruments. I'm not super advanced, but I enjoy the Uke! That is great that you play it daily. Enjoy!
@@ChristianCBE You’re wrong, and don’t know what you’re actually seeing. If you touched hands with her you would change your arrogant tune.
Haha, hey bro, just want to let you know that you got one like from me.
It’s the same rant as my teacher talked to some old folks 20 years ago about “qi gong martial art”.
Well, good martial art includes qi in it already. If some schools need separately qi gong form, there might be something wrong.
Ah yes, bullshido. I took Tai Chi Chaun martial arts before and a black belt teacher couldn't even move me and he couldn't get out of holds from me either and that was when I was a new white belt. (3rd day). Great strength differences matter A LOT. There are many bullshido people out there that claim lots of nonsense. That is why there are weight classes in MMA. Real fighters know the difference.
Perhaps the black belt teacher couldn't move you or get out of your hold because you were employing some internal elements that you learned when you took Tai Chi Chuan. I assure you, and it's okay if you don't believe it, this is no bullshido.
Enjoy the journey and wishing you the best.
These are defensive techniques designed to literraly break the opponent arm or leg and run away. Notihing to do with MMA
@@lelfet3177 I prefer a softer approach. Disable the offense and run without breaking bones. Or just run....lol.
@@InternalTaiChi yes I do agree. Fighting should only be used for survival ... 😇😊😉
Why tai chi masters consistently lose to mma/ bjj fighters?
Because you are watching the wrong Tai Chi "masters." See my previous reply to your comment.
Little to do with the fasciae. More with the hand covering a larger surface. Just physics the chinese know already for thousands of years.
You are incorrect, but thanks for the comment. Next video I will demonstrate connecting to the fascia and moving the person with two fingers. Thanks for the video idea!
Looking forward.
@@InternalTaiChiyou're a funny girl
I’ve practiced Tai Chi for over 50 years, and this was singularly unimpressive. I looked at a few of your other videos, and you seem to be a one-trick pony, without other skills.
Thank you for your comment. I have 273 videos on my channel. I seriously doubt you have looked at more than my past four videos if you call me a "one trick pony." Still, I delight that you call it a "trick" because it really is a trick that anyone can learn!! Yay!! I tend to upload videos and teach in themes. This month's theme is connecting to the fascia and I have created some repetition in my videos for people to learn. A good teacher always repeats themselves. Additionally, you are correct in that my skill is developing. I like to be transparent with where I am in my skill set, (and where I am not....) so that others are encouraged to embrace where they are in their journey and understand that where they are is okay and they can grow from there. A few months ago, I could barely move someone in this fashion. Now I can do it with just a light touch, which is thrilling for me. In a few more months I will be able to do more, and will likely post those videos too. It is a journey which I invite my followers to join me in. If you are bored, move on...that is okay with me! Regardless, I wish you all the best in your own path.
Grote handen heeft die gast 😳
Ik ben ook heel klein.
Its not fashion .Its real body mechanic science and force science. Use science knoeledge of force vector to overcome your opponent force. The Taichi circular force is one of the most high tech understanding of force application knowledge.
I know it looks like circular force, or angled force, etc. However, it is connecting to the fascia. Your comment helps to guide me in making my next video. My next video will demonstrate the differences between body mechanics, circular force, angled force vs. fascia. You are correct in that there is a science behind it. However, this science is neuroscience instead of physics. The receptors of the fascia feel and process differently in the brain and spinal neurological feedback loop than muscles and bones. I do know what I am talking about because I am an Occupational Therapist trained in the human body and studied neurology and the fascia system. Anyway, thanks for helping to give me ideas for my next video to help clarify!
Fascia *
really just pushing a different direction, when pushing wrong she is grounding him by pushing his frame into his feet. there is no magic, its all physics and architecture
Please look at this video where I clearly show that is not the case: th-cam.com/video/YEIczxvl4AM/w-d-xo.html
No disrespect, but this makes about as much sense as as a peanut butter and mustard sandwich...
I understand your perspective. When I first saw this demonstrated, I absolutely did not believe it. But once I felt it done to me, I had a complete shift of "what the heck?!" Then when I could do it to someone else, I was transported to another level of understanding. You might want to try it before you give up on the "sense of it." Anyway, thanks for watching and even for your comment. I actually am enjoying the dubious folks because it makes me realize how incomprehensible this can be with just watching it.
What a crock
I enjoy the doubters. It points out how really special this skill can appear, when in fact anyone can do it. BTW -I was a huge doubter too at one time, (although I never resorted to publicly degrading someone's efforts). Wishing you the best in your own journey.
Bullshit
Lol....I enjoy the doubters.
BWAAhahahahaha, such fake bullsh!t...ahahahahahah
I actually enjoy the doubters. It points out that this appears pretty unbelievable. I used to be that way too, (although I never publicly lol at someone). Wishing you the best in your journey.
None of this crap works against the ancient and deadly Kung Fu style of MMA. 🙄🙄🙄
Check out Howard of Prana Dynamics using these techniques against any and all martial art fighters and then make your statement. Howard has higher level skills than me currently. I'm still in the development stages but will get there.
And as previously stated, if your focus is to beat up someone, you're missing the point of my channel and teaching. The Martial Art aspect of these techniques is the lowest hanging branch. There's so much more.
@@InternalTaiChi no thanks I can link plenty of videos of Tai chi guys getting banged out. Not fooling anyone with this nonsense.
@@InternalTaiChi no thanks....not one video of tai chi guy winning in a fight.
@@InternalTaiChi simple way to prove this BS works. YOU enter an amature MMA contest.
@@AbdulGhani-vm6oq your responses say it all.
Waste of your time
Perhaps of your time, but not others.