Battlespace 'The Romulan-Earth War' Battle of Cheron
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- here it is the conclusion to my Romulan war series. There was a lot of cut content so i'll be doing a Q&A soon comment any questions you have. until then enjoy.
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Ok Wow! this is my 1st video to surpass 300K thank you so much to everyone who has been watching and supporting the series. You guys made this series what it is! Thank you :)
Why did Valdore pull those 6 ships back?
Nice documentary style
You guys did it. We are the audience. We just watched your work and it is worthy of trekkie admiration! Keep it up!
Get rid of that annoying fake accent and you’ll break 10million. Hell, if you do that I’ll sub and invite 10 friends myself.
@@Scottydontno That wasnt even constructive.
I so wish they they had kept Enterprise on air to do the Earth Romulan war, much like DS9 did the Dominion war.
You'll get to see it before long. th-cam.com/users/theromulanwar
That would've resulted in a more perfect world
@@TheRomulanWar Only if CBS does not kill it, as they did with Axanar.
@@nunya3163 Axanar was released... just was much less then what it was going to be.
@@kinggoten It went from a full length movie, down to a couple shorts, or a few minutes each. Call that "less than what is was going to be" is quite the understatement.
It still bothers me after all these years that Enterprise was cancelled just as they were building toward the Earth- Romulan war. For a long time I've wished Star Trek had a Clone Wars type series to tell this story. Too much time has passed for the actors to reprise their roles in live action during that time period and it would be quite expensive as well but a CGI animated series would solve both problems
You'll get the next best thing... th-cam.com/users/theromulanwar
I agree. I wish Enterprise hadn’t done the whole Xindi thing and instead covered the Romulan war.
@@JoshuaMonjin Exactly! I liked Enterprise but the whole Future Guy/Xindi thing was a waste of time IMO. THIS should have been the series, if not the last season or two.
Richard Johnson yikes a clone wars? It was terrible...
The ugly truth, Paramount Studios leadership saw NO future in scifi (in the TV series format), and barely tolerated the Star Trek franchise (save for the revenue stream they could extract from it). The 'powers that be' sent the funding for ST:Ent elsewhere...to TV series, and movies, that hardly anybody remembers. 😒
"Archer had a bold proposition-"
Cuts to ad for whiskey
I knew there was a reason I liked him.
You know the really sad thing is garak was a really good tailor
Good Spy!
Scorpio the psycopath, dirty Harry,1971.
But Neilx was a better Ferengi
😆😆😆😆😆😆
Nobody made better BDSM outfits than Garak.
I feel like this war's outcome is what ended up propelling SF to become so powerful in its golden era. The war forced SF to build and build and build, and then when the war ended they just simply kept going.
Well, both this war and the later, 4 years war against the Klingons...
Great video! It's really a shame Enterprise got cancelled and never got to put the Earth-Romulan war on the screen. That would have been the best part of the whole series.
Wasted too much time on the temporal cold war and 911 plot
This is what Enterprise was leading up to before it got cancelled. The above storyline would have been seasons 5 through 7 and prepared the way for captain Pike and eventually Kirk. l guess what that is really calling for then is a new "Enterprise: The Mission Continues" series to fill in the gap.
22:20 "You Owe Me Pink-Skin!"
Amen.
Tell Archer that's two he owes me! Lol
Remember and be warned
Don’t push the pink skins on to thin ice!
Jeffrey Combs is such a great, multitasking type of an actor! Witty, sinister, and quick thinking....he sure made it awesome on any of the Trek shows....TNG- a Ferengi, ENT- Shran, and
, of course, DS9- Wyon!
@@Ithinkiwill66 He also played an alien business man, I think in one of the early seasons of DS-9, who wanted Quark to get him a sex hologram of Kira
I would still like to see the cast of Star Trek Enterprise return in a new series or a movie starting with the completion of the refit of Enterprise and it dramatically pulling out of dry-dock and setting out to join the fleet and the Earth-Romulan war. Each movie could encompass a documented year of the war spanning the many battles and strategies.
I recently picked up this video by curiosity, English is not my native language but thanks to these narrations I've enjoyed it and sharpen my ear to it. Awesome!
These entire series was pure joy to watch. Thank you for great work!
This hugely engaging video strongly reminds me of the seminal documentary series The World at War. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for Watching i hope you enjoyed. I'll be doing a Q&A Regarding this series so if you have a question put it in the comments below.
WELL DONE SIR !
The Romulans didn't have warp speed until the Caption Kirk days.
@@neganrex5693 originally yes. but the way enterprise portrays tech, the romulans have to have FTL for it to actually be a war.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Will that would make sense and make for a better story line by leveling out the playing field for both sides.The Romulans wouldn't think of going to war with star fleet and my take years going where they needed to be to take the fight to the humans without warp speed. Thank you.
@@neganrex5693 that wouldn't make any sense cause the neutral zone is too far away from Romulus to be within impulse range.
Fantastically detailed and narrated story. I enjoyed it immensely. Thank you for all the hard work and dedication it undoubtedly took to produce this. The effort definitely shows through in the final product.
I like your way to tell these storys! I would be happy about the next one! Thank you
My head canon for the Freedom class is that it was suppose to be warp 4 but ended up only being able to do warp 3 or 3.5 or something like that. Because given how the advancement to warp 5 is treated in ST:E it doesn't really make sense that the NX would have only been a .5-1.0 improvement over the previous warp engines. Then again I think warp factors increase exponentially, so maybe that is a big difference.
Fantastic overview of the war though, now if only we could see the Earth-Romulan war in a series.
It's a very big difference. According to the sources I could find warp 5 is over twice as fast as warp 4.
The part in the video at 22:20 when the music changes in the video to the event in the video (watch it to find out why) is an awesome change and made it look and sound awesome. Second time I’ve commented. I honestly love this video mate. Extremely well done
I find your stories amazingly compelling, thank you for making and posting these most fascinating tales of the Federation! Bravo sir, well done!!!
THANK YOU! This is fantastic! Thank You for everyone's comments. THANK YOU!!!!!
Looking forward to this.
Great videos! I know its all fiction but in reality one would guess humanity would be at risk falling back to our violent past in an extended conflict like this.
Although . .
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He is getting better at spreading them around.
rewatched my first episode of the series, however i found there to be frequent uses of however. However....
@@venomgeekmedia9886 You´re doing great. Your narration is so cinematic and atmospheric :)
As with all military the key to victory or defeat is logistics. This is why surprise deep strikes against logics and supply lines are so successful if phyrric.
The Vulcans really hate strikes against their logics. ;)
Huh?
@@davidharner5865 ever see what happens to an army or navy when systematically denied supply? I referance the battle of Tsushima for the navy and napoleons retreat from Russia. You destroy the supply chain with impunity you control the war.
I cant wait till Venom does battles from like, Babylon 5, Halo, Star Wars, StarCraft.. any of the other major sci fi IPs. The way he explains them like a classic documentary, but its about sci fi battles.. ALL OF THE YES. :)
And dont get me wrong, Trek is where I started. Not discluding that at all. Star Trek, Bab 5 and Star Wars to me are like Winnie the Pooh as I was watching all for at the same time when I was about 5-6. And Ive never stopped absorbing lore since. So this channel to me is fascinating. Job well done, Venom. Keep it up. So glad I found your vids. ^_^
thanks but i have no plans for covering Babylon 5. But I WILL be covering Halo and Star Wars in the future. star wars in the VERY NEAR future....
Very nicely done.KUDOs to all involved .Thank you very much for this.
Your artfully rolled r's and your oddly forceful delivery of "D'deridex" fascinate me to no end. As a huge Star Trek nerd, I could listen to countless more hours of this! Muhaha!!!
im sure you'll find the rest of my channel to your liking.
I can’t stand it. This guy sounds like a fedora and inspector clouseau had a love child. Make it stop.
Couldn't make it past the first 2 minutes. The affected rolled 'r' and heightened RP accent... Ridiculous
@@Scottydontno I second this. Who the hell rolls their R's in Colorado? It's just Colorado! 😩 I'd love to listen to these but I can't take the ridiculous accent.
You guys are nuts... this type of theatrical delivery is well suited to the content, and is, at least, far more interesting than the drab, dull, monotonous voiceovers I hear in so many other videos! :-)
I agree with most of the other comments, this would have been a perfect 2-3 season ending to Enterprise.
Wow fantastic wish it could have been season 5/6 of enterprise
Or make movies about earth Romulian war it would be fantastic and a big hit.
I don’t know how many times I’ve watched this now but I really love this video great work mate
that was a very enthralling story I loved it and enjoyed it very very much thank you.
You can always count on Shran to back you up
Romulan ships are such a work of art.
You stuff is about to get real when a picture of Idris Elba shows up in a history vid about war.
The way you describe Archer makes me imagine a star fairing version of Admiral Beatty.
The correct term for Beatty-level incompetence is 'mAcarthian'.
Epic.
Absolutely epic.
Well done sir.
Your videos are beautifully made written and delivered. I’ve been a fan. But this one was your concertos….rooted for the rolumans all the way…and there is no other voice like yours either! Quite the work of labor and creativity!
Man that could have been season 5 and 6 of enterprise ended on a tie with the beginnings of pike and Kirk
If ST: ENT was still on past season 4!!!
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly well done indeed, And very well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the Earth-Romulan War on the Battle of Cheron, A job very nicely fabulously well done indeed Sir!👌...
Subscribed. I need good Star Trek and I can't get it from the CBS mafia. Please keep doing what you do.
I thought the war was exclusively an Earth/Romulan conflict, with the Vulcans expressly staying out of it. Earth was nearly defeated but pulled out the victory without the need for assistance from the Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites. But the Federation was formed shortly afterwards.
You aren’t wrong but one thing that enterprise did good at showing was Archers ability in making allies. As the videos explained that joint ship fleet of Andorians, Vulcans, and tellarties where lead by people Archer made close friends with. Shran of course always playing an owe me later game with Archer and helping that specific Tellaritie out and more. They disobeyed what their planets wanted and helped them.
Wow nice story, i didn't know that Archer was in fact a military strategist. I don't understand why they canceled "ST Enterprise" there were so many stories to tell".
Nice video.
one of the reasons stated was not enough people were watching it but that was mainly due to the times it aired i mean where i live it was on at like 5am so not at the best time another is the higher ups did not like where the show was heading so they ended it
Always network execs that ruin everything
Les Moonves didn't understand nor like Star Trek therefore when time came he decided to cancel Enterprise I'm very happy that his time at CBS has been canceled.
This is really good, I was about try and rewatch Star Trek enterprise because I couldn’t remember this, but as I read the comments the show ended right before the war started…… that sucks.
If Viacom/CBS could bring everything back to the Kirk timeline I would like to see Romulan conflicts because I'm done with the constant Klingon wars and conflicts
Actually Starfleet's motto is ex astris scientia (From the stars, knowledge). Although I think it should be ex astris scientia per angustia (from the stars knowledge through adversity)
yeah i think adversity should be in there somewhere.
I love this one hope it will be a movie some day thankyou
This is better than anything in newtrek.
I love how you did this. I always figured that Cheron was the Romulan main staging base for the war. I wonder if the Federation kept that system?
probably not given that we know algeron and Galordon core are either side of the neutral zone it would probably remain romulan.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Maybe. Maybe not.
This makes me happy yet sad in my heart that no game can convey strategy on these kinds of scales.
It's always overwhelming and superior numbers, luck, or superior tech. There's never any touchy feely stuff in games.
'tis unfortunate. But this video was awesome!
Sidenote: The SS Columbia would end up having an interesting... _Future_ ahead of it.
You could say it hit Warp 8.8 and saw some serious shit.
That was truly an amazing video I enjoyed it very much
I gotta go play some Master of Orion 2 now after watching this. Well done!
You would have a perfect young Tarkin from Starwars.
Wouldn't the public love a live action motion picture or 3 based off this series?
Actually it should start with the attack on the Marshall class U.S.S. Patton serving picket duty on the Coalition frontier. This was the true flash point of the war. The Patton was destroyed but it didn't go down without a fight. Even though she was lost with all hands she made the Romulans feel her mark by destroying the Romulan ship's warp drive by taking out her engines and breaching her warp core.The Captain got out a warning bouy with a full log entry explaining the incident.
I prefer the dominion war when it comes to trek and i prefer your videos on the dominion but its only because im more interested in the laster era of trek. As always i enjoyed this video ive seen most of your dominion war vids so thats why im here. Thanks for making this man nice one
Great video ending a fantastic series on a war, that we saw the first stirrings of in the last series of enterprise, but never saw realised due to its cancellation, describing how earth went from effectively being on their last legs to turning the tide and win the war with a stunning risk it all, last throw of the dice.
Curious as if you have any plans, now that your dominion war series is affectively finished, apart from one or two videos yet to air, to do your own series, looking at the early formative years of the federations in a vein of the rise of the federation series or one on the various hostilities and flashpoints between the Federation and the Klingon empire between the federation birth and the khitomar accords.
What a great narration thank you so much
Oh my god i would have loved this as a last final episode for a new season or series this would have been so great
I have yet to see a video detailing what the future of the Galaxy would have been like if the fledgling Federation had lost their first war with the Romulans.
It’s funny as soon as Archer was getting into that much trouble I was immediately expecting Shran to show up.
Thanks for the series I enjoyed it
Not sure what I'm getting into, but I'm enjoying it. Subbed
23:05
"Men of the Imperial guard, you have done all that the honour of war demands of you. His Grace the Duke of Wellington, invites you to save your lives. What say you?"
*"MERDE!!!"*
I firmly believe that at least few humans know how the Romulans look like during the Romulan Earth War. The Romulans conquered human colonies such as Alpha Centauri, which was the largest human settlement outside of Earth. The Romulans will certainly have deployed ground forces. All colonists were not killed when attacking the cities. Statistically, a few people always survive such events. It is likely that humans saw Romulans. My best guess is that the Earthgovernment kept this knowledge that Romulans look like Vulcans under wraps so as not to jeopardize the newly formed Coalition of Planets and the United Federation of Planets from the start. Because this knowledge holds explosive political explosives for humans, Andorians and Tellarietes. It would be dangerous if that had been made public at the time.
The technique at 11:23 was actually used by the ancient Romans. Also the finale of the overture of 1812 was after Russia's defeat by the hands of Napoleon was certain. I don't know if these were intentional but if so a tremendous amount of thought was put into it.
the Romulan- Roman defensive tactics are pure coincidence. but yes i very deliberately choose 1812 specifically Napoleon Fleeing Moscow (the bit with church bells and cannons)
Thank you, that clears up a bit. Need you all to add the space opera “Honor Herrington” series by David Weber. There would not be a line abreast battle in space because of its 3 (4?) dimensions… it would circle or multi sided formations to strengthen shields and defenses.
Interesting take although it bothers me a bit, that Earth out of nowhere is able to build such massive fleets, while in the show they basically have less than a dozen vessels.
"Seldonis convention? What's that?"
-Romulans, probably.
I love your videos and the way you tell the stories
Q needs to make everyone go back in time to 2005 and we could have a season 5 with the Earth Romulan War. I have no doubt that ratings would have increased considerably and the series may have lasted 7 seasons which with DS9, Voyager and Generations is the customary time for a Star Trek series. Although I don't see Discovery lasting that long. It may last 1 or possibly 2 more. If the Captain Pike series is as good as a lot of fans hope it could last 7 seasons.
Would've been great to have a series based on Romulan-Federation war.
... instead, we got Discovery
The use of classic music and historian narrative reminds me a lot of Legends of the Galactic Heroes.
Truly great stuff.
It's like the First world war Trench fighting rather than Blitzkrieg in WW II
Great work sir. I loved the whole series! I look forward to your future efforts.
For the longest time I thought the Battle of Cheron was at Pluto's moon.
Wow what a good snap shot story.
Well done, thank you!!
Here's a problem. The freedom class. It looks the same in both the original star trek and the JJ universe so I'm going to base this on the limited information that I could find. The freedom class crew compliment is 68,(minimum, I think)and the ship has only 3 decks. The JJ ENTERPRISE has 31 decks and a crew of 1,100. Even if the freedom class can hold a bit more than 68 crew, it would be impossible for this ship to rescue even half of the minimum, (I think) crew compliment of the JJ ENTERPRISE. At least 90 percent of the enterprise crew would have to have been killed in the movie for the freedom class to be able to carry what was left. Also once the enterprise crew beams to the freedom class, they dissappear. Where did they go?
Got a love these conflicting stories with this one and the other one I thought there was 81 ships with admiral Val-d’Or
Thank - you .
These videos are great!
I'm not just a trekkie, I'm also a student of history. Romulan war tales are interesting. Remarkably like war tales from WW-I, and WW-II.
I clearly remember "Balance of Terror" (TOS). So I can't help but notice how this Romulan war seems to differ. In Balance of Terror, the cloaking device is a new, unknown, and terrifying thing. Not something that dated back decades. No living person in the Federation had ever seen a Romulan before. Specifically there was talk of "clumsy cylindrical ships" as well as wide spread use of nuclear missiles. It was just one episode. Still, I wish the writers of Enterprise had actually paid attention to it.
More importantly. I was born in 1961. A post WW-II baby boomer. My father fought in Vietnam. So I was always torn between loving and supporting my damaged father. Then hating the war that harmed him. Gene Roddenberry hated war; and the Vietnam war in particular. So, however compelling. These sequences cloaking Archer, and Star Fleet, with the glory of WAR! Are troubling. So I can't help but wonder? Are we really using the glories of a fantasy war; to glorify and justify a new world war?
thank you for sharing. i tried to pay homage to the 'Balance of terror' dialogue by including the Maseo Okazaki romulan ships. my intention is definitely not to glorify war. i mean what did this really achieve, other than setting seeds of hatred and resentment that would go on for centuries. if you watch my cardassian Border war series. i think you'll appreciate the more gray nature of that conflict and the devastating long term impacts.
Nice work and well narrated!
Voice overacting and extensive rolling of the R's make this tough.
Extensive and unnecessary. Sounds like he's drowning.
You'd think an intrastellar war would have many more casualties than 150,000 total dead...
this is a bit of a bone of contention it but i make my argument as to why this is the case in my Romulan war Q&A videos.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Well it just feels a bit smaller than what it should be considering battles taking place all over this part of the Alpha Quadrant. You'd think that it'd at least be at World War II's death tole at the end of the day.
Sisko made an off-hand comment in "Homefront" that a brutal attack on Earth had not been seen since the "founding of the Federation" - hinting that the Romulan war may have landed troops on Earth (perhaps Reman, if we want to keep the the concept of how nobody actually saw a Romulan):
They [Dominion] won't limit themselves to military
targets. They'll be waging the
kind of war that Earth hasn't seen
since the founding of the Federation.
If this is the case, then Earth would have incurred massive casualties and would have rallied for Earth to consider the Romulan war as the biggest threat up to that point that would still resonate fear when talking about them hundreds of years later.
Do you think the fleet Should have went for the romulan home world and just put a final mark of don't miss with us again?
i don't think they could have. Romulus would still be several weeks Voyage and they are already low on ships and supplies cheron was about as far as they could possibly go.
That was awesome storytelling.
144,000 is far too low of a death toll for such a major conflict. Starfleet casualties are less than the number of people who died yesterday from old age. Serbia in WWI (only including combat-related deaths) took heavier losses than the entirety of humanity, and that was one relatively small nation in a much broader conflict.
Humanity in the 2150's has 8 extra-solar colonies and, at minimum, a Mars colony in the Sol system. Extrapolating from today, a 1% growth rate means there'll be about 25 billion humans alive. Even assuming the casualties were something along Napoleonic War levels, that's still 60-65 million deaths, which should be expected considering the long-term occupation of several of humanity's colonies. Instead, this is "modern US gets into a war and suffers less than 2,000 casualties" level, which is absurd for the kind of conflict the Romulan War is supposed to be, a defining moment in both Earth and Romulan history that radically alters the balance of power in the quadrant for centuries to come.
Nick Yarka considering the number of ships destroyed I think the military casualties might be in that range. In a naval conflict there are less ”soldiers” than in a land war. Pre-TOS ships are also quite small, losing 25 ships is ”only” say 20000 dead.
@@drhibas Starfleet only (not including planetary defense forces, ground troops, civilians, etc), I could see. But the video says "a total of 144,000 died during the war", which sounds a whole lot like military and civilian casualties combined. For a 5 -year long war that was "traumatic" and where "humanity had lost much", the casualty rates are peanuts compared to today's car accident or cancer rates, lower even than pneumonitis due to solids and liquids (drinking bleach/choking on your own blood, that sort of thing) in the US alone. Spread out over the whole Earth, such a war likely wouldn't even be noticed by the majority of the population. A second page news story at best.
Nick Yarka yes, if it is the total casualties I agree 👍
Didn’t the romulans attack alpha century at the beginning whit nukes and kill almost everybody on that colony that should account for couple of million deaths at least
Fantastic video. Well done
Thank you a great vidéo
I dig this content.
Super cool!
Good, Shran deserved a promotion
Ad Astra per aspera
GOD this is such a good motto
It's the motto of the state of kansas!
The sad music at the end makes me imagine this all really happened. Did it?
You know it sounds like Archer is kinda a shitty admiral. His primary strategy is a numerical advantage he just shoves at the enemy, and virtually always loses more ships in the process.
The hardest t thing to believe here is they made that psychopath archer an admiral
How is archer an admiral, when he's still a captain during the ufp signing ceremony after the earth/romulan war.
Field promotion and then they demote you when the war is over. Custer was a general during the civil war but was a lieutenant Colonel at the Battle of Little big horn
Well, we also can assume that the last episode is an holographic representation so it's incorrect
@@FedoReds88 why would it be incorrect? Yes minor details might be off, but records like Archers rank would be accurately recorded in official Federation archives.
@@shankleythebest today is full of "historical" movies filled of incorrect assumptions, so i can immagine the same for the holographic historical work