The Green Way Outdoors team discuss fish pain. Do hooks hurt fish? Does a fish have the capacity to feel pain? Find out what experiments have been done and what the science says!
So refreshing to hear a fisherman saying. Fish feel pain. I think there’s been enough studies done now to prove that. I been a coarse angler for 40yrs and kept fish in an Aquarium and they clearly react to pain. I no longer fish as I don’t feel comfortable with putting fish through pain and distress . While growing up we were always told fish don’t feel pain that’s clearly wrong. I do miss not going fishing but as a person who is interested in all forms of nature I feel I’m making the correct decision.
Hey Chris! I think the science is conclusive. That being said, this world is filled with pain and illness. It’s our job to be stewards of the land and water. We must harvest the excess to make room for next years young. We eat the meat so we will keep on fishing and hunting. We are just always attempting to cause the least amount of discomfort to the beautiful animals giving their lives up so ours can continue. We also respect your decision and appreciate your kind words about our video. Have a great day!
@@TheGreenWayOutdoors Thank you for your reply. I totally agree with all you have said here. I support hunting and fishing for food. I was a carp angler and it was getting more difficult for me seeing the same fish getting caught time after time.
So I came on this video because me and my nephew have started fishing together. Neither of us have any experience. He's 8 and my sister won't let me kill the fish quickly. She thinks throwing them in a cooler with ice is the way to go. I just think that's easier for her because she doesn't have to see it die. I think throwing them alive into a cooler is horrible.Whats the most humane way to kill a fish in your opinion? How are y'all doing things differently now? So far I think that a good solid hit with a blunt object ( It's a small baseball bat) is the quickest way I have killed a fish. I don't know how to use a knife to kill them.She REFUSES to let me kill these fish that way if I am fishing with my nephew. It's turned into quite the debate. I have just been trying to find a good way to deal with this.
explosivo1980 after wrestling with this for a few months after making this video we have landed on this opinion. We cut the gills with scissors and put them on a stringer in the water. Kills the fish really fast and also removes all the blood from the meat making them taste better. Hopefully this helps you out!
In Germany peopel how fishing must kill the fish humanly direckt after catching. I still dont understand why fish are not protectet in the USA and other Anglosphere
So if a fish was bitten by a larger fish and escaped but was in pain it would not avoid capture while in pain. That doesn't make sense. Logically the fish likely feels trapped by the way it feels from the injection and doesn't move. Because the fish wouldn't know it was injected, it could assume that the object is constantly in contact with it. Much like the presence of a hook. The fish resists being pulled to the human but doesn't resist pain. If you hook a fish and release it, it can be caught almost immediately. But while it is being pulled to the human it is distracted and will not multitask and watch for other dangers. So the fish is resistant to danger but not resistant to "pain". That is not true for animals or people. Even a mouse will turn and bite if its tail is pinched whereas the fish would struggle to escape. The mouse would rather fight to spare the discomfort of pain than attempt escape. A fish never reacts this way. When they injected their lip with acid the fish rubbed its lip on items. Is that pain? If you injected my lip with acid I would avoid contacting items. If you injected a dogs lip with acid it would retreat backwards. The fish is reacting to the presence of a dangerous object on its lips. When you numb the nerves that sense danger, it stops.
No one knows or ever will, unless we figure out what is consciousness and how it works. But of course that is fundamentally impossible. It's impossible to prove that anything is conscious or otherwise. It's the ultimate mystery.
For me catch and release is practice for myself and my family with the goal ultimately being comfortable and proficient catching keepers for subsistence. I didn’t have anyone to teach me how to fish so I’m learning now how to catch and handle fish with respect for their life. I don’t think I would have been comfortable filleting or even confident in my skill of catching a fish with enough meat to harvest when I first started.
Actually the face and mouth have the most pain sensors. The question here, and this is where everyone is mixing things up, is weather or not they are conscious about the pain they are enduring. So pain in very primitive, it is necessary por survival, receptors are all over the body, specially those parts close to they brain for obvious reason’s. What is more hard to demonstrate is if they are aware of the pain they are feeling. A very easy way to understand this is thinking of grabbing a very hot potato, your instincts with make you let go of the potato and your awareness of pain will make you insult the potato for burning your hand (for example). So how can we determine they are able to acknowledge the pain they are suffering, it is obvious they they do feel pain, it’s just part of survival, it’s basic and clearly they have pain receptors, those pain receptors do not need to reach the brain for the fish to do an unconscious action as flicking the tail or swinging the other direction, the same way we let go of that potato. In conclusion, yes, they do feel pain, obviously, it’s part of survival but, are they conscious about it? How can we resolve this, well many experiments have been made and lots of test to the brain. The thing is we tend to think that brains and neurological architectures have to be built like our brains to have consciousness, emotions or other but truth is we have no clue. We are able to put lots of information in one little microchip, why wouldn’t nature try to do the same with brains? Just because their systems do not look like ours, it doesn’t mean they are not able to feel and understand many things. On the other hand, many experiments have concluded that fish are able to learn and my question here would be, isn’t it necessary at least a small amount of consciousness to be able to learn? Very hard debate… And sorry if there are mistakes in the paragraph, English is not my first language.
Just for a slightly different thought. I believe that much of the response to escape is from pressure and possibly from receptors that indicate pain. Here is a video with another thought. th-cam.com/video/_hMa8-FPwZc/w-d-xo.html (yes it was made by Shimano). Others with different outcomes were generally made by groups from a different perspective. I have had numerous fish that once I released the tension in the line would either stop fighting or go a short ways off and stop in what may have seemed a safe holding lie. Other times if I added pressure as I attempted to hold a fish, it would struggle to get free. If I carefully cradled it, it would calmly lay in my hand. I have no knowledge about the reason for this. No push for either side of the argument.
I've been cleaning fish for years to stock my freezer, and they never react to a knife touching them. I used to feel bad about it but after hundreds and hundreds of catfish that have not once given any indication that they feel pain in any way we would relate to it's not something I give much thought to anymore. If they would flinch or show any sign of suffering, I would be sure to change my methods.
painlesstom we used to feel that way too. These experiments have us doing things a little different now. But at the end of the day, there is NOTHING unethical about fishing. Tight lines!
@@Naturamorpho No, they don't jump or try to get away... they just lay there. Things that feel pain would try to escape, I've never had to fight a fish to hold still while cleaning it. They simply don't react, so I don't either.
@@painlesstom You see, I have also cleaned fish before. Many times. So I wonder what kind of fish is this you are talking about. Because all of those I have merely held outside the water have tried (and at times managed) to escape! Now, after some time out of the water fish can get quite lame and groggy. th-cam.com/video/Ekd8YhNWBgg/w-d-xo.html
Fish don't have the pain receptors like humans or other animals experience. Probably why Jesus/Yeshua ate Fish a lot, he knew a cold blooded animal was safe to eat, without feeling guilty about it.
fish do have pain receptors, and they have a central nervous systam. so they feel pain fishing is the cycle of life so its fine but don't like they dont feel pain
The fact Yeshua gave Peter a net full of fish to the point it was about to break the net, etc, tells me God had to have put less pain receptors and a better ability to handle suffering than others. I have to believe that because our God isn't cruel just to be cruel and he wouldn't tell us cruel things are ok. The law has guidelines for ethical slaughter and the angel who stopped Balaam who was being cruel to his donkey, told him he'd just as well kill Balaam and spare the donkey.
So refreshing to hear a fisherman saying. Fish feel pain. I think there’s been enough studies done now to prove that. I been a coarse angler for 40yrs and kept fish in an Aquarium and they clearly react to pain. I no longer fish as I don’t feel comfortable with putting fish through pain and distress . While growing up we were always told fish don’t feel pain that’s clearly wrong. I do miss not going fishing but as a person who is interested in all forms of nature I feel I’m making the correct decision.
Hey Chris! I think the science is conclusive. That being said, this world is filled with pain and illness. It’s our job to be stewards of the land and water. We must harvest the excess to make room for next years young. We eat the meat so we will keep on fishing and hunting. We are just always attempting to cause the least amount of discomfort to the beautiful animals giving their lives up so ours can continue. We also respect your decision and appreciate your kind words about our video. Have a great day!
@@TheGreenWayOutdoors Thank you for your reply. I totally agree with all you have said here. I support hunting and fishing for food. I was a carp angler and it was getting more difficult for me seeing the same fish getting caught time after time.
Catch and release for fun! Plus, it is also a conservation measure. It keeps a fishery from being overfished.
A trout screamed at me today when I pulled the hook out.
So I came on this video because me and my nephew have started fishing together. Neither of us have any experience. He's 8 and my sister won't let me kill the fish quickly. She thinks throwing them in a cooler with ice is the way to go. I just think that's easier for her because she doesn't have to see it die. I think throwing them alive into a cooler is horrible.Whats the most humane way to kill a fish in your opinion? How are y'all doing things differently now? So far I think that a good solid hit with a blunt object ( It's a small baseball bat) is the quickest way I have killed a fish. I don't know how to use a knife to kill them.She REFUSES to let me kill these fish that way if I am fishing with my nephew. It's turned into quite the debate. I have just been trying to find a good way to deal with this.
explosivo1980 after wrestling with this for a few months after making this video we have landed on this opinion. We cut the gills with scissors and put them on a stringer in the water. Kills the fish really fast and also removes all the blood from the meat making them taste better. Hopefully this helps you out!
In Germany peopel how fishing must kill the fish humanly direckt after catching. I still dont understand why fish are not protectet in the USA and other Anglosphere
Blunt force trauma to the head my friend. Even a pair of pliers you would use to get treble hooks out straight to the skull should work well
Obliterate the the brain by using some kind of wire
So if a fish was bitten by a larger fish and escaped but was in pain it would not avoid capture while in pain. That doesn't make sense. Logically the fish likely feels trapped by the way it feels from the injection and doesn't move. Because the fish wouldn't know it was injected, it could assume that the object is constantly in contact with it. Much like the presence of a hook. The fish resists being pulled to the human but doesn't resist pain. If you hook a fish and release it, it can be caught almost immediately. But while it is being pulled to the human it is distracted and will not multitask and watch for other dangers. So the fish is resistant to danger but not resistant to "pain". That is not true for animals or people. Even a mouse will turn and bite if its tail is pinched whereas the fish would struggle to escape. The mouse would rather fight to spare the discomfort of pain than attempt escape. A fish never reacts this way. When they injected their lip with acid the fish rubbed its lip on items. Is that pain? If you injected my lip with acid I would avoid contacting items. If you injected a dogs lip with acid it would retreat backwards. The fish is reacting to the presence of a dangerous object on its lips. When you numb the nerves that sense danger, it stops.
No one knows or ever will, unless we figure out what is consciousness and how it works. But of course that is fundamentally impossible. It's impossible to prove that anything is conscious or otherwise. It's the ultimate mystery.
nope they feel pain.
That looks like Royal Rangers star in the background on that slice of tree.
For me catch and release is practice for myself and my family with the goal ultimately being comfortable and proficient catching keepers for subsistence. I didn’t have anyone to teach me how to fish so I’m learning now how to catch and handle fish with respect for their life. I don’t think I would have been comfortable filleting or even confident in my skill of catching a fish with enough meat to harvest when I first started.
I think they have less sensory nerves in their mouth area
Fish don't feel pain at all!
Actually the face and mouth have the most pain sensors. The question here, and this is where everyone is mixing things up, is weather or not they are conscious about the pain they are enduring. So pain in very primitive, it is necessary por survival, receptors are all over the body, specially those parts close to they brain for obvious reason’s. What is more hard to demonstrate is if they are aware of the pain they are feeling. A very easy way to understand this is thinking of grabbing a very hot potato, your instincts with make you let go of the potato and your awareness of pain will make you insult the potato for burning your hand (for example). So how can we determine they are able to acknowledge the pain they are suffering, it is obvious they they do feel pain, it’s just part of survival, it’s basic and clearly they have pain receptors, those pain receptors do not need to reach the brain for the fish to do an unconscious action as flicking the tail or swinging the other direction, the same way we let go of that potato. In conclusion, yes, they do feel pain, obviously, it’s part of survival but, are they conscious about it? How can we resolve this, well many experiments have been made and lots of test to the brain. The thing is we tend to think that brains and neurological architectures have to be built like our brains to have consciousness, emotions or other but truth is we have no clue. We are able to put lots of information in one little microchip, why wouldn’t nature try to do the same with brains? Just because their systems do not look like ours, it doesn’t mean they are not able to feel and understand many things. On the other hand, many experiments have concluded that fish are able to learn and my question here would be, isn’t it necessary at least a small amount of consciousness to be able to learn? Very hard debate…
And sorry if there are mistakes in the paragraph, English is not my first language.
0:43 lmaoo factss
Just for a slightly different thought. I believe that much of the response to escape is from pressure and possibly from receptors that indicate pain. Here is a video with another thought. th-cam.com/video/_hMa8-FPwZc/w-d-xo.html (yes it was made by Shimano). Others with different outcomes were generally made by groups from a different perspective. I have had numerous fish that once I released the tension in the line would either stop fighting or go a short ways off and stop in what may have seemed a safe holding lie. Other times if I added pressure as I attempted to hold a fish, it would struggle to get free. If I carefully cradled it, it would calmly lay in my hand. I have no knowledge about the reason for this. No push for either side of the argument.
Randy de Jong That is really interesting! Thank you for the comment!
SHIMANO isa Japanese company. The Japanese live on fish. 'Nuff said.
What does Steve o have to do with the subject?
Calm down Florence Nightingale
With the glasses
I've been cleaning fish for years to stock my freezer, and they never react to a knife touching them. I used to feel bad about it but after hundreds and hundreds of catfish that have not once given any indication that they feel pain in any way we would relate to it's not something I give much thought to anymore. If they would flinch or show any sign of suffering, I would be sure to change my methods.
painlesstom we used to feel that way too. These experiments have us doing things a little different now. But at the end of the day, there is NOTHING unethical about fishing. Tight lines!
What exactly did you expect from the fish? Tears? begging for mercy? Did they not try to flip and turn and get away?
I believe it is you that have gone numb to the fish's pain, not the fish themselves.
@@Naturamorpho No, they don't jump or try to get away... they just lay there. Things that feel pain would try to escape, I've never had to fight a fish to hold still while cleaning it. They simply don't react, so I don't either.
@@painlesstom You see, I have also cleaned fish before. Many times. So I wonder what kind of fish is this you are talking about. Because all of those I have merely held outside the water have tried (and at times managed) to escape! Now, after some time out of the water fish can get quite lame and groggy. th-cam.com/video/Ekd8YhNWBgg/w-d-xo.html
and it's called dopamine
Your natural body's painkiller is endorphins. Your welcome.
Killing anyone that do not want to die is not EVER ethical
Miriam Schiro ur just a vegan obviously you’d say that 😂😂
So if you had a friend that asked you to kill them, would that be ethical?
So catch and release is fine since he will live to see another day.
@@cadenstewart9133 that doesn't invalidate the point.
Plants feel pain too.
The only thing that is ethical is not to kill them. Respect that they have feelings and want to live and let them live
Plants feel pain to.
HOW WOULD ANYONE KNOW IF FISH FEEL PAIN OR NOT🤔💭💭💭🥰
research
Becoming a fish
th-cam.com/video/y8Nj1-YZDlc/w-d-xo.html
SCIENCE!
Adrenochrome
Fish don't have the pain receptors like humans or other animals experience. Probably why Jesus/Yeshua ate Fish a lot, he knew a cold blooded animal was safe to eat, without feeling guilty about it.
fish do have pain receptors, and they have a central nervous systam. so they feel pain fishing is the cycle of life so its fine but don't like they dont feel pain
The fact Yeshua gave Peter a net full of fish to the point it was about to break the net, etc, tells me God had to have put less pain receptors and a better ability to handle suffering than others. I have to believe that because our God isn't cruel just to be cruel and he wouldn't tell us cruel things are ok.
The law has guidelines for ethical slaughter and the angel who stopped Balaam who was being cruel to his donkey, told him he'd just as well kill Balaam and spare the donkey.
@Phillip Cameron God is not cruel, He is just and merciful. Satan is the one that brings pain and misery and blames it on God.
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@@wheezy1194 god can suck my dick
If they don’t want to die then means they have feelings