Who Is QUETZALCOATL & How Strong Is She? | True Power & Lore EXPLAINED - Fate / GO Babylonia
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- Episode 18 of Fate Grand Order Babylonia was nothing short of a visual masterpiece. With much of the stellar animation being attributed to Quetzalcoatl’s noble phantasms. Of course, if you’re not familiar with the game then everything she did likely didn’t make much sense. So I'm here to explain how she was able to attack Tiamat with what was pretty much the Sun. As well as practically replicate the meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs. Enjoy!
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Who's your fav of the three Goddesses?
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Definitely not useless goddess
Quetzalcoatl of course
Ereshkigal without question
Lucoa
Eresh, no need to think about it
How strong is Quetzalcoatl. strong enough to win our hearts.
But why is she white and blond? She's a Mayan god...she should be brown.
Eh, it's anime. Nobody looks correct in anime.
@@Needler13 Quetz in the Aztec mythology at least was supposed to have had white skin(and be bearded), so it's not too out there compared to some other variants.
@@Needler13 Because Quetzalcoatl is a body-hopping deity who can look like whomever it is they are possessing. That body was blonde and pale. Also, Golden Hair is an indicator of divinity in many old mythologies, including Mesopotamian.
@@MasterAsraSome depictions even had him with golden hair and blue eyes. Like some legendary figures in ancient China. Lotsa speculation about that.
Majora king arthur is a female lul
Fun fact: when Quetzalcoatl took the bones of humanity from Mictlantecuhtli, he dropped them and some broke.
That's how the Aztecs explained why some people look different.
He didnt drop them per se, but he was tricked by the god of death, after failing in a trap on the ground he dropped the bones, went unconscious from the hit and the bones broke apart.
Makes sense since our skeletons are basically bones in pieces ribs, hands, ett different people different pieces i guess
Hey I tried. I didn't expect the god of death to put a dumb trap on me. I swear he was lousy when it came to jokes. -_-. Still that aside people looking different makes it worth the effort. S'
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent ah the feathered snek who we sadly know vary little about
@@depressedgwyndolin
Blame greedy gold crazed spaniards, a lawyer, and religion, and very bad timing.
Least I managed to keep some type of a positive image after. Unless you believe those Christians in name only nuts that thinks anything with a IQ is the freaking devil. :P.
In all honesty even if the Aztecs had survived and thrived the origin of my story goes further back in antiquity long before the Aztecs, the Mayan's or the Olmecs. I'm very very ancient. Like predating most historical sites approaching 10000 years ancient.
Don't worry so much about it however. You humans have a knack at finding stuff. I'll give hints from time to time but for the most part I prefer humanity discovers what they desire naturally.
Gaia: Quetz has now entered the chat.
Gaia: Quetz has now been promoted to moderator.
But isn't the collective consciousness of mankind Alaya ? And isn't Gaia the same thing but for the world ?
@@muramasa7537 Alaya developed and split from Gaia due to Humanity's growth as a species. During the Age of Gods, they were still the same entity.
@@marcelocapeljunior3579 yes but Alaya is humanity's collective consciousness right ? Gaia is the will of the Earth . So it was Gaia n not Alaya that granted divinity to the gods .
@@muramasa7537 They were the same being at the time. Alaya is the Goddess of Humanity in the modern day, and her domain over all of humanity means she has influence over all points in their history, hence the counter force.
Gaia WAS Alaya at the time of the Mesoamerican Gods' arrival, but Alaya stopped being Gaia at some point afterwards. The semantics are important.
@@guilegale8942 not stopped being but separated from Gaia .
"riding trait comes naturally with riders"
Surfer mordred would like a word
She actually lost it since her saber ver has it
@@pimentinha1121 yeah its just jarring that a rider doesnt have riding as a skill. Shes cool though
@@lurker_san416 it's because Mordred is a rebel. Her rider for doesn't have riding because rebellion is on her veins, so she naturally gives up the trait all others of her class have
Kintoki raider also don't have the raider trait
Another character that has a rebellion gimmick (he's a biker and they're seen as rebels)
You missed a very important info regarding her powers:
As a goddess, she has an Authority where she completely negate/nullify any attacks coming from beings in the Good alignment. Even if that being has a chaotic behavior or has a violent behavior, as long as that being falls to the Good alignment (Chaotic Good), then he's still a part of the Good alignment. This is actually pretty useful considering that there are some OP servants in Fate that are in the Good alignment.
Simply put, she is immune to all attacks coming from beings who are good in nature/has good personalities or intentions.
Then you mean if someone were to summon Quetzalcoatl in a normal Grail War where all the servents summoned are "Good", then she is technically invulnerable and invincible?
@@zestoh_coffee_892
Yeah. Pretty much the results would be that. And it won't just limit to Servants but it also includes people and other beings as long as it falls to the Good alignment.
I think that she would have some trouble against the Assassin class depending on who was summoned.
@@9Godslayer the rules of the normal grail war is that heroes from the Throne of Heroes are summoned, and only heroes, this includes assassin as well.
Zestoh_Coffee_ The Grail’s perspective on what constitutes a hero is _extraordinarily_ fluid. How else would you explain Jack, Angra or Gilgamesh? Now that I think about it, Avengers and Berserkers could be another issue.
Quetz is so cool yet so much underrated because she gets introduced alongside with TWO rin-faces
That's so true.
Even if she is many times more powerful
@@stein192 not many times if Ishtar wont lose his beast wich able to push Real Tiamat,Probably shes gonna be number 1 also Esreshiggal(idk i spelled it correct or wrong i dont remember also my english sucks)is almost unbeatable in underworld.She is Best girl fighter for sure but not Extreme as others.But she is 100% stronger than Jaguar warrior.
@@mamedthehuman53 Jaguar is just a lower divine spirit, a familiar of Tezca Tlipoca; if you talk about gods and power, Quetzalcoatl would be much more powerful than Ishtar, because che is a demiurge rank, a "world creator" god.
Ishtar isn't even one of the strongest sumerian goddesses. Maybe ranked 25 or under of 50 major gods.
But again, Divine spirits can't command their real powers when summoned as Servants, and Gugalanna was lost long time ago anyway.
Both Quetzalcoatl and Ishtar are like hypercars with a van engine inside when summoned as servants.
Not gonna lie, Been playing the game for about 4 years now, don't remember when I first pulled Ereshikgal, but I pulled her way before I ever started the 7th Singularity and so for the longest time I didn't notice she was Rin with blonde hair so for the longest time I thought she was that Girl from the end of Unlimited Blade works with Rin and Shiro at college, and then I watched Ishtar(Rin) Sneeze and turn into Ereshikgal and my mind was blown sky high. This was like 2 weeks ago.
@@stein192 eh they are both almost equal hard to say. the only reason ishtar lost the fight to Quetz was because Quetz is the apex of good, so good servants don't do well against her
Damn so being a god is being an admin for the game called Life. No wonder gods seem to use their powers willy nilly. All the myths are just reports of admin abuse and the head GM GAIA ain't listening to the player base.
Haha good analogy
Well the player base tends to complain about everything either way haha
This made me understand easier thank you :))
ahhh those times, the age of gods.
after the creator of the game flashed them with the massive flood update
well yeah, Fate Gaia doesn't give a shit. It's Alaya that tries to help out humans, iirc.
Losing half of her divinity and still being able to do that shows how strong she is.
More than a half, as a servant she comes with one third of her true power.
@@siul1983 damn so she lost half of already losing 2/3 just for being summoned
@@mateomorales1653 correct so basically had only around 7% of her true Power lol 😂 when she fought Tiamat
@@siul1983 shit and still
Managed to bring the Tiamat brain to its knees. She’s absolutely wreck the Beast if she was alive and not a servant wouldn’t see
@@mateomorales1653 quetz literally said she stood no chance against Tiamat Even at full strength tf are you on.
Quetzalcoatl uses NP:
Me: happy mexican noises
Arriba mexicanos
FUA!
Hell yeah
tavo norris
How would you react if Tezcatlipoca and Xochipilli is introduced in the Nasuverse?
@@whathell6t tezcatlipoca is already in the nasuverse (jaguar man) but i want to see him fight quetzalcoatl on full power
Excited mexican noises*
"Episode 18 of Fate Grand Order Babylonia was nothings short of a visual masterpiece"
You got that absolutely right, time to rewatch that episode again
Right, I rewatched that episode more than I rewatched the leonidas episode
@@lionelsenga3752 leonidas episode gave me chills
My favorite, great fight!!!
*"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!"* - Tiamat
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR (TN:You dare challenge me?!?) - Berserker Lancelot
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@@tennoshenaniganizer9234 NOW HOLD ON THERE!!!
@@ewanreid3823 ▅▅▂▂▃▃▅▅! (TN: Ha! Fools...) - Heracles
Ptth, seems legit. 🤣
Quetzalcoatl: Exists in Fate universe
Me: *viva Mexico intensifies*
Viva mexico cabrones 😎🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽
@@ricardovazquez7488 Now if only she'd screamed it at some point.....
@@JebusGolpez que no hablo ingles
@@ricardovazquez7488 que hubiera estado épico que en algún punto ella hubiera gritado eso de “viva mexico cabrones”
One thing to bear in mind is that Quetzalcoatl is an old god, so much so that we don't actually know where he originally came from. Some cultures had stories about him and how he came to be, but there are progressively older works that pre-date those origins, showing that the worship of Quetzalcoatl was an accepted part of life in early Mesoamerican culture; everyone was kind of just expected to know about him, just like every Greek was expected to know about Zeus, Poseidon and Hades and accept them as part of everyday life despite a large number of deities, minor deities, demigods, and proto-deities in the form of the Titans.
So I find it absolutely hilarious that Grand Order's explanation for Quetzalcoatl's fame and worship is that she is an alien god who's been bumming around the Americas ever since she wiped out the dinosaurs, so she's arguably the oldest Mesoamerican deity and her existence is just accepted as a fact of life despite nobody knowing where she came from because she's just always been there and hasn't really bothered anyone.
@kounter El Yunce is cooler xD
@kounter But still the story changed. I like the PR retelling. Keep in mind, Tainos are descendants of Aztecs that traveled through Venezuela. You can find small but of proof like the word Macana is Spanish, from Taino, from Aztec.
@kounter Nah bro, Taino are Aztecs that moved to Hispaniola through Venezuela and later Florida. Your video starts with the book, but these people are so much older than the book and its stories. Taino are a very tolerant people, and a lot of us who aren't descendants of the Mestizo are mixed with Blacks of various places such as Africa and the the Caribs. But for all of our tolerance, don't you think it's rude to Africanize our history? I have seen the argument you put up and it's fake. I've seen the argument, and I don't mind looking at your evidence as well. But it's probably the exact same, exact, to thing the things I've seen and debunked as well.
I dislike how people take advantage of our lost history to push these theories to tie us by blood. Why can't we tie ourselves by respect? Why push false narratives?
I mean, it's been proven false down to the very blood.
@kounter I can tell you why, because Cortez arrived with Christianity and the Aztecs mistook him for the return of Quetzalcoatl. So they initially submitted to him until they realized what was going on, meaning they also took on his symbolism. If you knew about our history, you'd know that the ancestors of the Aztecs, Arawak and eventually the Taino came across the land bridge. Bro... you're nuts. Wym your Taino cousins? Me? I'm telling you in clarity that's not where we come from. That's getting rude af dude. I know the history of my own people.
Edit: Also that picture was cherry picked. He's not even the only god to be depicted that way.
Seriously it's not a black thing, like, at all. If you knew anything, you'd know that, but you don't.
For the record, Quetz was drunk when she battled Tez, which she claims is the reason she lost.
Really?
OHSNAHPZ
Yeah it’s in her servant profile.
@@wesley2161 damn 😨
@@isaaclopez63 Also in the myth of their fight, Quetz was drunk on pulque (an alcoholic mesoamerican beverage) when fighting Tezca
They're in the same level anyways
You almost said Tezcatlipoca well
*clap clap*
An effort was made.
Quetzalcoatl’s story is shockingly more tragic and beautiful than I ever could have imagined. His personality feels like a cross between Zeus and Horus; in that like Zeus, much of his motivations for his actions stems from an admiration and love of humanity that’s abundant to a fault, and like Horus in that he is a god who embarks on adventures and missions himself rather than delegating the job to mortal heroes.
To be true, Quetzalcoatl left not because he was beaten by Tezcatlipoca, but because he got super drunk with pulque and ended up soooo embarrassed that he had to flee
*quetsualcotal dies*
“Alexsa this is so sad, play Vicente Fernandez”
Quetzalcoatl,*
Don comedia
Alexa play "El triste"
*Makes a phone call*
Hey Lucoa: You seein' this?!
Hehehe this made me laugh to hard
fate quets is fit lucoa
Lucoa: Ara ara~
Lucoa and quetz: *exist*
Mages: What is th-
Lucoa and Quetz: *A R A A R A*
I wont go into as much detail as I do when it comes to Quetz, but it pisses me off how she does NOT get nearly as much love or attention as she deserves. Shes clearly an amazing servant in game, with unique lore due to being one of two mesoamerican based, and fate lore-wise shes so damn strong. I mean like you said, she could practically bring down the fucking sun if she wanted to and what we saw in the anime was her with LESS THAN HALF of her total power and she still brought the power like that of the meteor that wiped out life on earth. Shes fucking nuts and I hope this anime shed some light on just how amazing she is. This video did an amazing job at explaining things to that make it quite clear that Quetz is top tier
Well the use of the Command Seal may have brought her power back up to half or more but that definitely wasn't her at 100%. Onee-san is clearly extremely powerful. In all the Fate animes the only Rider in her league is Achilles.
@@numberhunter62 ozymandias is just as high but not in terms of power per se. His defense strengths are fucking nuts. If ever you read Fate Proto, you'll see just how nutty he can be. But yes, in terms of strength, Achilles is likely the only person who would match her or maybe slightly exceed in strength
Less than half of her powers in her Divine Spirit Form yes.
But if we're talking about her Primordial God/Chief God/Quetz True Form, then even with her Divine Spirit in full power, it's still a fraction of her true full power. Just like AniNews said, the Quetz we're seeing in the anime is a "Bunrei" or just a part of the True Quetz.
*That's just how OP Quetz nee-san is*
@@numberhunter62
If we're talking about Bunrei Quetz (the Quetz we're seeing now) then Achilles could maybe on par with her. But if it's the True Quetz then I doubt that.
Achilles is in no way on par with the goddess Quetz from Babylonia, neither is Ozy. They still have a chance as opposed to the good alignment servants, but it's less likely as Null Good still works as damage reduction and her attack power is too much for them. Against Servant Quetz however, they should be dealing full damage and might have something like - 40 - 50% odds.
As a mexican, more important Latin American, she became my favorite summon of fate. The way they wrote her and her love for lucha Libre is just A1
More important would be Mexican since Kukulkan is based mostly in Mexico and some Central American countries not all of LatAm, hell all of south America has nothing to do with Mesoamerica
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The collective unconscious will of humanity is Alaya. Not Gaia.
Also you forgot to include Quetz's ability to nullify damage from those with a good alignment, which is a major ability that helps her stomp Top Servants like Karna and Gil.
I'm actually waiting more on AniNews stating that she has an Authority where she negates all attacks from the Good alignment rather than knowing her NPs' power levels.
But sadly it wasn't included. But I'm satisfied with him pointing out that the Quetz we're seeing in the anime is a bunrei though.
Its not really wrong considering the timeframe as Gaia/Alaya split later on in their specific sides aka Earth-MotherNature & Humanity
@@demigodz6944 he did say that she has authority over everything good,, so I don't think it's necessary to say that
He also let it slip that her authority is not only cut by Merlin's trolling, mesoamerican gods by default use only fragments of their divinity on their avatars, and as a kind of bunrei, the Quetz we see is a really tiny part of her power, Merlin or not
Just like the Tamamo nine ~ their Divinity is already sliced into pieces
@@Hiken_Bakuzan 1. There is no mention of any disclosure divinity reduction from "avatar"
2.tamamo 9 is a completely different example
The sun stone tells the story of the 5 previous suns, the mythology and what the Nahua ppl (Aztec, Toltec, etc) considered to be the history of their culture, which added to the fact her chant invoking the noble phantasm mentioning that the past, present and future is here, gave goosebumps watching. Though her speaking spanish and practicing lucha libre might of felt inconsistent, she was believed to 1 day return in the future perhaps then exposed to modern meso-american culture which sprouted from the legend of Ce Acatl Topiltzin, whom was believed to be Quetzalcoatl in incarnate form.
The channal overly sarcastic productions have made a good video explaning Quetzalcoatl's orgin.
Trueeee!!
That applies to a lot of servants.
Did you know Enrique Ugartechea, the first Mexican wrestler, developed and invented the Mexican lucha libre from the Greco-Roman wrestling, which ties it back again to Venus who came from Aphrodite who came from Astarte who came from Ishtar.
And Ishtar was just like Quetzalcoatl a Godess of Venus, War, Agriculture and Rebirth.
It seems like War, Love and Rebirth can't be parted with as long as the Planet Venus shines overhead.
@@SuperAmaton Aphrodite was worshipped by the Spartans as a goddess of war as well as of love
@@CorvusCorone68 Yes i am familiar with Overly Sarcastic Producrions 😆
As born Mexican I love when I see Latin American and Mexican things in anime
Viva la cultural con sangre que arde con pasión viva México
Fun fact, Quetz actually put Gugalana (the bull of heaven) in a headlock and I belive even got it in a piledriver as part of a summer event
And you would be correct
That was because of her authority as the goddess of Venus.
Wasn't that an incomplete gugalana tho?
the best part in the previous summer event
Xiuhcoatl is the name of the weapon used by the war god Huitzilopochtli, it means fire serpent or turquoise serpent. It is now the name given to first 100% Mexican assault riffle xiuhcoatl fx-05.
You know I am happy that I got Quetzal as my first SSR. Top favorite servant is Scathach but still Quetzalcoatl's positive radiance just keeps her up there with her.
Who wanted to see Momma Tia get hit by Wrestling Quetzy present which commented by Tiger Man?
*Emiko_Lina got killed by angry jaguar man*
I kinda feel like she'd have caused an extinction event within the singularity, or at least wiped out Uruk, had she not been nerfed by Merlin's trolling.
What do you by Merlin's trolling? I think i missed this but why quetz only had less than a half of her powers?
"Her divinity was cut by more than half because Merlin decided to be a troll" is a sentence I thought I'd never
hear yet here we are
Luchadora-oneesan is also going to grace the NA server with her ruler version that ONLY APPEARS ONCE.
Most welfares only appear once anyways (which are those with no reruns), not to mention welfares are easy to get. She's not as rare as you exaggerate her to be. Fujino is like 300 times rarer than a one-time no rerun welfare
Main interludes: Just you wait
When is that?
@@C4shaRaM4 December this year, and it only appears once.
@@Sutobuto what do you mean most welfares only appear once. As far as I can tell each and everyone of them have had a rerun. I mainly play on NA so I don't know about the Ruler Quetz situation. And from my recent experience in JP they did all the rerun for Year 4 servants. So wth are you talking about?
Somehow it feels like a coincidence when you took Kimi no Nawa's meteor as a sample, where in fact it was also named "Comet Tiamat".
The best of the three goddesses is Quetzalcoatl. There is no other.
Have no fear, Quetzal. You will be level 100 soon. You are the greatest Rider, above all others.
Good Sir best goddess is Ishtar. Also best Rider 2in1 package
quetz and ozy best ST riders
@@saltandluck nah Medb is better
@@acertainbastard5579 medb is useless against non-male servants quetz and ozy are tanky and more versatile than her :D
@@acertainbastard5579 Ishtar is a bitch not a goddes
I disliked her at first but she really grew on me
i could say that too except with moss.
I don't like her Character, but i like what she is/what Nasu made her to be.
Unironically put herself over and drawing dimes!
When I rolled her in the game I was like meh I don't know shit about her and her character did not interest me (it was around Nov 2019 and I just started playing) but then after all the quest where she carried my team she grew on me. I like her character and her character in the anime impress me even further. Now I need to hurry up finish Camelot so that I can use double her on story support along.
I've actually been meaning to do a collaboration about Quetzalcoatl in Fate and other anime; it's a shame we hadn't found each other before this, but you did a pretty good job! I'm glad you mentioned the cyclical creation & destruction/life & death, as it's a pretty big deal in Aztec thought and cosmology. That being said, I have some error corrections and clarifications: Quetzalcoatl, or at least Feathered Serpent gods in general, are much older then 100BC/AD like you mention: The earliest accepted depiction of a Feathered Serpent god comes from around 1400BC, at the Olmec site of La Venta, on what's known as Monument 19 there. La Venta itself is really prominent as a major economic/political center after the then most important Olmec site, San Lorenzo, declined around 900AD (which is also where the first known example of writing in the region dates to), but Monument 19 is dated to earlier, when the La Venta was still a less notable village prior to it's ascendancy.
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Labeling the Maya as being 300 to 800AD is also incorrect. You see Maya towns and cities in the Mesoamerican Preclassic Period (defined as either roughly 2000BC - 200AD or 1400BC to 200AD, 1400 BC being when the aforementioned San Lorenzo became the region's first organized city rather then less complex villages). You noting 800AD being the ending figure for the Maya culture is a common mistake, being the period when the Classical Maya Collapse occurred, but this did not mark the end of the Maya as a civilization or as a demographic: While many of the larger city-states and kingdoms in the Central and Southern Yucatan Peninsula collapsed or declined due to a combination of political instability and warfare (the preceding century had seen a massive war between the two largest Maya Royal Dynasties (centralized around the city-states of Tikal and Calakmul) and their allies), droughts, switching to unsustainable farming methods, and overpopulation all exacerbating each other; the city-states and kingdoms in the Northern Yucatan Peninsula survived, actually growing in power and prosperity for a time. Some of the most famous Maya cities, such as Chichen Itza (which is in fact a city, the Pyramid in particular is the Temple of Kukulkan, Kukulkan being the Yucatec Maya name for the Feathered Serpent), Uxmal, Tulum, and Mayapan (which was actually the head of the largest ever Prehispanic Maya political entity from 1000 to 1400 AD) being examples of these Early Postclassical Northern Maya cities.
By the time the Spanish arrived in 1519, there were still some Maya cities and kingdoms in the Northern and Western Yucatan Penisula (indeed the first major conflict between the Conquistradors and Mesoamericans was with Maya towns before Cortes's expedition) and some having recovered in the Central and South, and with many hundreds of mid sized towns and thousands of smaller villages all over. In fact, a Maya city-state was the last independent Mesoamerican state, with the Itza Maya city of Tayasal/Njojpeten falling in 1697, but even after that you still had many Maya people living in Colonial/Imperial Mexico, with pretty much nonstop attempts at revolutions, and to this day there are millions of Maya people in Mexico and Guatemala (along with other groups such as the Nahua ("Aztec", but it's complicated), Mixtec, Zapotec, Purepecha, etc), and there are still revolutionary groups fighting for independence... so yeah, the Maya definitely didn't end at 800AD!
I'm not really sure about the Feathered Serpent's association with the wind, rain, and agriculture for the Classical Maya, as you claim, but i'm less familar with Classical Maya associations with specific dieities then I am with other Mesoamerican groups, so that could just be me. From what I know, Wind is moreso an association you see with the Aztec, where the wind god Ehecatl was seen as an aspect of Quetzalcoatl. Water associations with the Feathered Serpent IS something you see for sure with a different Classical Mesoamerican civilization, being Teotihuacan. Teotihuacan was a massive metropolis in the same valley which would latter become the seat of Aztec power and is Mexico City today, at it's height covering 37 square kilometers (bigger then Rome!) and with 150,000 people; impressively almost all of whom were housed in what were basically palace complexes. The city (like many other large Mesoamerican cities) also had a complex water management system, with a interconnected series of agricultural canals, canalized rivers, reservoirs, and even plumbing systems, toilets, etc. One of those canalized rivers was re-coursed to run perpendicular in front of the Plaza where the Temple of the Feathered Serpent was located, as if the river originated from the Temple itself, and the Plaza there could also be flooded for ceremonies. The temple itself had a massive sculptural facade on it's surface with many giant Quetzalcoatl heads alongside heads of what's either a Proto-Cipactli (an Aztec crocodile monster) or a proto-Tlaloc (the Aztec god of Rain, characterized by fangs and goggles around the eyes: This iconography for Mesoamerican Rain gods is almost as widespread and ancient as Feathered Serpents are), and a variety of aquatic and marine motifs such as shells. I could go on here more about the water associations the Feathered Serpent has at Teotihuacan, but I'll leave it here for now.
The Toltec are a whole can of worms, one which is so confusing even I don't have my head fully wrapped around it, but know that much of what we know of Toltec history comes from Aztec accounts, ones made in early Colonial Mexico by Aztec scribes and nobles recording their own history under Spanish rule. As such, these records reflect biases and propaganda not just from the Aztec themselves (who claimed Toltec heritage to justify their own power) but also from the Spanish, and it's very possible, especially based on current research, that the Toltec as these accounts describe them never really existed. In any case, of particular note here, is a king named Ce Acatl Topiltzin: He's present in these accounts and is heavily associated with Quetzalcoatl, to the point where information about him and information about the god is mixed and intertwined: The stuff you might read about Quetzalcoatl not accepting human sacrifices might really be stemming from Ce Acatl Topiltzin banning the practice... or both might be the result of Spanish influence trying to associate Quetzalcoatl with Jesus to make converting people easier... or maybe that denial of sacrifice is why the Spanish chose to associate Quetzalcoatl with Jesus after all.
Something I think is important to note which you did not in relation to the Aztec version of the Feathered Serpent, Quetzalcoatl (and perhaps some earlier Preclassical versions such as among the Olmec) is that he represented a duality: Namely, of the heavens and the divine (the feathers = flying = sky) and of the earth and the moral realm (the snake = crawling = the ground). Many preclassical depictions are also seen as boundary markers, such as of iconographic depictions of divine and earthly elements. Duality is a pretty Big Deal in Aztec thought, and Life and Death is one of those important, if not THE most important dualist pairs: these dualist pairs are opposites, but complementary and symbiotic: One cannot exist without the other even if they are in cyclical opposition: The gods gave themselves up to create the world and the sun (as you note in the video), the plants and animals consume the world, the sun's rays, and each other for their own sustenance, people consume them for theirs, and the world and the gods consume people via sacrifice. Sacrifice wasn't a celebration of death, but an acknowledgement that death is a part of and necessary for the continued life of others.
Also, I realize the part of the video this comes up in is moreso about Fate lore then Mesoamerican mythology, but the idea of Cortes being seen as Quetzalcoatl is again one of those elements of distorted history in the early colonial period. There's not much reliable evidence (in fact there is evidence suggesting the opposite) that Cortes was mistaken for Quetzalcoatl, with Cortes's own accounts not mentioning it; same goes for Quetzalcoatl being white or bearded or any similar stuff. Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca's rivalry is a real element of Aztec mythology, and indeed Quetzalcoatl (and Ce Acatl Topiltzin) is said to have fled after being embarrassed or shamed by Tezcatlipoca', though this is usually presented as "to the east", not the planet Venus (though this too had associations with the god), which also ties into the aforementioned Spanish propaganda (and even current Mormon theories) with Quetzalcoatl being Jesus going back to Eurasia and then promising to return as with the Spanish; as well as some theories by Archaeologists about the Toltec with Ce Acatl Topiltzin perhaps going to the Yucatan Peninsula in the late classic and giving rise to increasing Central Mexican influence there which is why Central Mexican versions of Feathered Serpent gods become prominent in this area during the Postclassic, though these theories are viewed as discredited these days... again, Toltec stuff is wack.
Lastly, it should be noted that while Fate associates Quetzalcoatl with the sun a lot, this isn't a particular association the god has in Mesoamerican mythology: Associations to nobility, the arts and sciences, learning, water, wind, etc all exist, but not so much solar ones in the Feathered Serpents case. To the Aztec, the Sun's associations with deity's is sort of complex, since different gods became the sun, but the primary ones are Tonatiuh, Nanahuatzin, and Huitzilopotchli, the latter of which wielded the fiery snake Xiuhcoatl, (as mentioned in the video, one of Quetzalcoatl's Noble Phantasms in Fate) as a weapon. If you ever wanna make another video about Quetzalcoatl or Mesoamerican influences in anime, hit me up!
MajoraZ wow you really know your stuff
@@itachisieteuchija Yep, Mesoamerican history is a big hobby of mine! It's super fascinating: It's got all of the same cool elements as Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Japanese, etc history does, with amazing cities, great kings, political schemeing, etc; as well as some unique elements due to the area's isolation and unique geographic conditions... it's a shame they are far more obscure then the other civilizations and cultures I just mentioned, though.
thanks for the very complete info! i'd love to have completely reliable sources, can you recomend books about Aztec mythology? please
@@MajoraZ Hey man I want to know everything about mesoamerican culture.
Where do you recommend search for info?
@@link199100 I have a bunch of resources I can send you if you have a twitter or a discord or some other way for me to contact you; otherwise I can try to post links here but youtube won't allow me to link absolutely everything, so let me know.
Shes pretty strong but those thighs, they're something else
Also day 14 of asking for fate zero iskander reviews
And she's my waifu
Those thighs save lives
Iskandars thighs are also damn good
Ishtar
iskandar. Now.
Escanor: i find my wife
Escanor: Mama! Sashiburi! 😊
Excellent video you get a subscriber.
About Quetzalcóatl this is a quote form the book "Fire & Blood: A History of Mexico" from a texan historian, best book about mexican history in english if you are interested.
"Topiltzin was respectful of the inheritors of the older civilization and gave them patronage, which was incomprehensible to his own people and which apparently aroused no little hostility among the pure Nahua warrior clans and priesthood. Even more incomprehensible to them was Topiltzin's earnest desire to abolish death and war. With Topiltzin, the one great Mexic struggle toward a newer humanism began. Topiltzin was loyal to his particular deity, the Snake of Precious Feathers, the giver of fertility and life, bringer of corn to men, the most humane
of the monster-pantheon.
Quetzalcóatl was a great god of the older civilization, worshipped along with the even older deities of fire and water. Representations of plumed serpents had covered Teotihuacán's walls. The principal god of the Tolteca, however, was the dark deity, of the moon, night, and monsters, represented by a shining mirror and called Tezcatlipoca (Nahua: “Smoking Mirror”). It is believed that the Nahuas brought Tezcatlipoca with them out of the northlands. Like the fire and rain gods, Tezcatlipoca demanded human sacrifice. Topiltzin tried to end these bloody rituals, urging that the gods be rendered only offerings of bread, flowers, snakes, incense, or butterflies.
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Fehrenbach, T. R.
The cult of Quetzalcoatl was against human sacrifices unlike every other god in Mesoamerica, that led to civil war, between the followers of Quetzalcoatl and the rest of the society, in the end Quetzalcoatl lost, and went into exile to the east.
When the Spanish arrived from the east, being white with beards (like the human representation of Quetzalcoatl) and their opposition to human sacrifices led the aztecs to think than Hernan Cortés was Quetzalcoatl returning from his exile.
Fate Grand Order makes an excellent work with Quetzalcoatl, there are mentions to Venus coming from the east, KuKulcan the Maya name for Quetzalcoatl, and the prohibition of human sacrifices.
"There were many legends telling how he disappeared from earth on a great pyre, or on a raft, sailing out to sea toward the east. But all legends stated that Our Prince Plumed Serpent assured his followers that he would come again to overthrow his enemies. His second coming would occur in some indeterminate year in the future, but when the cyclical calendar again stood at the year I-Reed. Thus a threat of ultimate destruction hung over the rulers of Mexico and their monster gods.
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Thanks for making the video, Kuku deserves more love!
This video about Quetzalcoatl is like a replacement for the supposed next episode last Saturday and I really enjoyed it💕💕 really excited for the next episode since I already played the game for a year and more and this singularly is one of my fav💞💞
There’s two Quetzalcoatl, one is the person topitzin Quetzalcoatl who lowed a regional part of the mexicas, and the other is the deity (a representation in the ancient culture of the creation)
She's as strong as the gods
She’s basically a primordial god in the Aztec mythology
@@iStranger921 fate is a franchise that will never end, be ready because one day Kratos will join the party
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Technically! Quetzalcoatl is a Teotihuacán deity, not a Nahua/Aztlan/Aztec. The deity was worshipped centuries before the rise of Tenochtitlán/Mexico D.F.
Nevertheless. She was powerful to survive the onslaughts of Cipactli, the planet eater. A monster that even made the Ometeotl (Supreme Deity) and Huitzilopochi bend their knee. It took a combined force of her and Tezcatlipoca, the Smoking Jaguar God, to kill it and molding it into the Earth.
Johny Marcial just say shes a latinoamerican goddess; well this aspect of her.
姫佐倉
I could only say that in a Nasuverse context.
But not actual scholarly, religious, and cultural context of the Aztecs mythology.
For us Quetzalcoatl is the goddess of lucha libre
I love how accurate the myth is
You earn my respect in this video just by the sheer number of time you were able to pronounce her name correctly. I was amazed by this fact all along the video.
No isn't a correct pronunciation, he say "kétsalcoal" and is "kétsalcóatl" ("tl" sounds like "tle" in "castle").
Who else really wants to see just a super over powered threat that requires every hero and servant to be present each episode focusing on all the individuals growing with each other. Imagine all the different emiya's seeing and reacting to each other much like archer did with the more sinnicle ones changing and becoming more hopeful as the more naive ones become more hardened and experienced. Or hell even Aurturia meeting her daughter mordred and the two finding peace together by the end of the story. All these different possibilities and all those incredible noble phantasms being used.
I want Morgan Le Fay to get summoned as a Caster and see how she'd interact with all the other Round Table gang.
That's basically the Greek Lostbelt. A threat so large that Alaya panicked and started mass summoning heroic spirits. I mean, the Greek pantheon blew into civil war! However, the moment we arrive there most of them are already dead and we're left with a bunch of renegades in the Neo Argonauts.
@@Byakko_Byakuya And that was only in Atlantis. I dread to think how much harder it'll be in Olympus... especially with a traitor in Chaldea's ranks.
The waifu we never knew we wanted but glad we received.
I didn't appreciate her at first, but she came to my Chaldea THREE TIMES. After Babylon, she became one of my most favorite Riders. Thank you for this video, I understand her better now.
she won my heart instantly in the game
Could you someday explain the divine/hero spirits, skills, magic and structure of the fate universe,like you once explained the game world from overlord?
Really glad I managed to help in the making of this video AniSam. Really glad it became such a great one.
I really love Quetz as a character and am really thankful for you for making a vid about her.
One small correction tho-
6:26 That is incorrect. Gaia is the will of the Planet. The unconscious will of Mankind was Alaya. Alaya wasn't involved in this, only Gaia.
Quezcoutel is my favorite amongst the goddesses.
So glad I found this channel, really like how I can atleast try to understand the fate series with these videos
She was sooooo powerful.. love her...
驚きました！びっくりするくらいしっかり説明されていて、初めてケツァルコアトルを知った人でも
この動画を見ればどんなキャラクターなのかを理解できますね！！
I'm patiently waiting for How Strong is King Hassan video!!! These last few episodes are gonna be epic
This video kinda made me realize that if she was at full divinity instead of half, she could use her combo and at least stalemate Gugalanna for sure.
Akari no Yami she’s out right suplexed a recreation of gugalanna with no effort in summer 2
How strong she is depends on the studio's visual's and sound effect!
"She won't hesitate to end anyone who is humanity's enemy."
So, that means she should have a personal skill that makes her super effective to Avengers and Beasts,
Nope,, that's not how it works,
She's amazing!! And you do a great job!
This Content is realy nice i think you should create more of this
the Fate series has so many character and noble phantasm
Knowing the facts , Noble phantasm, and legends about the character would be great because there is a lot of material in it
¡Magnifico! next do Ishtar please :)
one myth says that quetz and another god fought a crocodile monster that they used to create the earth. the crocodile monster is compared to tiamat because of some similarities, a couple being that they are depicted as massive sea monsters and they form the earth in some myths. so it actually makes sense that she fights tiamat.
has a mexican i really love to hear how u put the effor to pronounce the names of the gods from mezo América
Hizo un buen intento nada más le falló cierta información de los mitos de creación y que los mayas no le decían Quetzalcoatl si no Kukulkan
Been waiting for this one. Thanks!
Love it man!!! Incredible video!!!
Quetzalcoatl basically invented the human sacrifice, he created humanity with that purpose, and for the sun he sacrificed every god and godess to make it move.
I like how you replayed that “superb” walking animation again and again
Thank you for making this
Alaya is the collective Unconsciousness of Mankind. Gaia is the World's self-preservation.
Im pretty sure Quetzalcoatl was the guardian of the west. I think it has to due with sunset and following the sun to t he underworld to retrieve the bones of humans.
can't wait for your video on Hassan!
Thanks for the video! I enjoyed it!
Quetzalcoatl is EASILY the best servant in the game. Lvl 100 10/10/10 NP5. Godess. Queen. Besto
reminder that the "tope" in her NP might refer to being "at/from the top" and not a literal translation for headbutt, though "ultimo" might be also have the same problem with "ultimate" and "final" because the context mixes much more, so it should be considered a "definitive/maximum height drop kick"
I really want Tezcatlipoca to be put in fgo or to be expanded on more in the fate series. Hes reference occasionally and I just want to see the fate interpretation of him (or her if they decide to gender genderbend him too)
Leonardo Alonso the genders of the Aztec gods is microorganism so technically they don’t have a gender at all
@@amari7782 yes I understand that and also real world the aztecs would have impersonators that would dress up and act at as a gods so in my head I take this to be something similar as in the gods taking a host body in both real world mythology and fate universe.
Leonardo Alonso that’s more or less the case since I assume they preform a ritual of transitioning her from host to host
I really wonder who Quetz refers to with this other My-Room-Talk that was been datamined: “I’ll replace the blood in your entire body with a ‘deathly poison that goes hand in hand with the most extreme pain in this world’, and furthermore, continuously bathe solar winds on your body until it becomes only bones; after that, I’ll affix your soul to them so that you’ll live as a skeleton as well, before making you do ten thousand years worth of labouring underground in the underworld!”
Any idea who Quetzolcoatl is talking about? All i know for sure it's not Tezcatlipoca since he/she/it already has another My-Room-Talk.
Shirou Tokisada Amakusa Kotomine most likely Cortez who is basically quetz alter
It's good to be back
I expect one about King Hassan either next week or after the Camelot movie.
I love this goddess because it represents most of south/central America because it feels like its home (I'm from Peru but Mayan and Inca society were really close and both have a lot of gods)
5:27 : The comet scene from the movie "Kimi no Nawa" is such an eye candy😊. Those graphics 👍.
Old comment but your literally amazing can’t get this scene out of my head ❤️
How on earth do you find information on these lores? Its amazing.
Ultimo tope patada is literally her final drop kick.
¡Patadaaa!
One of my favorite Waifu rider servants
Thank you very much for making these videos.
BTW, istn gaia the will of the earth, not mankind??
@@Laslagos yeah, alaya is the will of mankind
This is a good reminder for LB7 and gives a sense of just how much stronger Kuku is
KUKULCAN
Its so intriguing how Mythology has different kinds of depiction and Lore. Fascinating.
So Gaia practically gives alien possessed humans that are close to gods or even as a real god admin privileges on earth
Only when they seem worthy in her eyes ie not a threat to the flora and fauna of the earth and even helpful to some extent.
I haven't seen the anime but the way they portraited Quetzalcoatl I love it I'm glad that they are a God/Goddess in the Mexican Nation and I'm glad I'm Mexican
Your pronunciation of the names of the gods is really good :))
This is the first time i see your content and only need to said thank you for doing your homework and reserach the origins of our God
I think it's also worth noting that Quetzalcoatl's "Good God's Wisdom" skill actually isn't totally unique. Other Servants have (or can have) a skill that is either identical in function or similar enough that there's very minimal difference. A good example being Scathach's "Wisdom of the Haunted Land", as that skill gives Scathach pretty much the same exact ability (the only catch is that the target must be someone she considers worthy of either being or becoming a Hero, so someone like Shirou or Fujimaru would most likely be viable beneficiaries of the skill, but someone like Shinji Matou would not).
And "Goddesses Divine Core" basically renders the owner of that skill totally immune to Mind Control effects as well (such as Mata Hari's Noble Phantasm....though if her NP managed to snag said Goddess's Master, that Goddess could still be in big trouble since Mata Hari would then be able to control their Master like a puppet until dawn broke). Skills that provide the same sort of protection would be Jeann d'Arc's "Revelation" skill, Jack The Ripper's "Mental Pollution", and a Berserker's "Mad Enhancement".
And that moment she brought down Tiamat she was only at 50% power
My first and favorite SSR Rider as she saved me a lot during Solomon. ♡ I wish she's back in Lostbelt 7.
I love these videos!
FluffyPinkChaos same!
I would love to see her fight karna and watch them throwing solar nukes to each other
She's one of my favorite fate characters
Those fights were so damn cool.
Thanks so much!!