Fate Lore - The Tale of Quetzalcoatl
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In this series, I cover the mythology and lore of various Fate servants as they pertain to the nasuverse. Today we have the feathered serpent, Quetzalcoatl and her exploits in Babylonia.
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Quetzalcoatl is a difficult servant to cover since most of her backstory is based on a number of different versions, only one of which Fate seems to embrace. When you include just the details that Fate acknowledges, that leaves us very little to work with. I also chose my pronunciation based on the dub, for better or worse.
My favorites videos from your channel always gravitates around lore videos, but this time I'm incredible dissapointed, it takes less than 5 seconds to google the difference from south america and north america, both civilizations that had Quetzalcoatl in their pantheons are from north america and the longest their territories extended where in central america. I mean you took the time to google pronunciations but not to fact check somenthing so reelevant?
Now I'm wondering if you just copy paste some random wiki and don't do a proper research, this one hurts dude.
Still salty I couldn't do Quetzmas I wasn't able to at the time due to being behind in the main story quest. I'd like it if there was a rerun because it seems like it was a guaranteed Santa and until recently I didn't have any Santa servant now thankfully I do have one: Altera the San(ta) although I'd still like to get Jeanne Alter Santa Lily Lancer and Samba Santa Quetz. Summer servants though are the ascension materials for Scathach Assassin and Mordred Rider herself because she acts like more of a tomboy than a tsundere like her Saber Self.
do you remember which of the artists drew the thumbnail? i just love that art (good Quetz art is really rare sadly), and i cant find it scrolling through the pixiv links
@@andreas_rr That's because it's official art! Specifically it's from Babylonia's second opening.
@@otakudaikun thanks for the quick and useful answer. i guess it wasn't bad though that i scrolled through the arts from the artist and apreciated some of them
Babylonia made me absolutely love Quetzalcoatl, she is such a joy to watch. Very underrated I say.
Especially the way she interacts with Jaguar Man
She is a Luchador Queen!
She is one of my favourite character in all of fate..
Just the clips of her literally dragged me kicking and screaming into F/GO, which inevitably will drown me in the Greater Nasuverse as a whole, so yeah I'd say she's pretty cool
I like how 2 of the most popular anime adaptations of Quetzalcoatl happen to be in the form of busty blonde women
It's hard to go wrong with big-boobed blondes!
I just wanted to clarify 3 things:
1. Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli is pronounced as Tla-wiz-kal-pan-te-kutli.
2. Chimalma was a mortal woman, not a godess.
3. The rivarly between Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca, as far as the real myths are concerned anyway, go way more deeper than just one liking human sacrifices and the other not. It all started at the beginning of creation when Ometeotl gave Quetz all the credit for delivering the final blow to the primordial caiman Cipactli despite the fact Tezca sacrificed one of his feet to use as bait for the primordial monster. That show of favoritism made Tezca resent Quetz and that animosity only got worse with the previous four epochs or Suns.
The Jaguar Sun ended after Quetz with a wooden club stroke down Tezca from the sky (who was the sun at the time), the latter got pissed off and ate all the humans.
The Wind Sun ended after Tezca stroke down Quetz from the sky (who was the sun at the time), the former proceeding to turn all the humans into monkeys using strong winds.
The Fire Sun ended when Tezca pissed of Tlaloc(The god who was the sun at the time and who was created by Quetz, making Quetz Tlaloc's father (or his mother in the case of Fate)) by stealing Tlaloc's first wife Xochiquetzal, Tlaloc was so pissed of by Tezca's NTR that he refused to let it rain and when humanity asked for rain he made it rain *FIRE* that burned every human alive.
The Water Sun ended when Tezca acussed Chalchitlicue (the godess who was the sun at the time and who was ALSO created by Quetz, making Quetz Chalchitlicue's father (or mother in the case of Fate)) of only *PRETENDING* to love humanity to gain their adoration, this accusation made Chalchitlicue cry so hard that she caused a world wide flood that turned any surviving humans into fish. It also worth noting that Chalchitlicue was specificaly choosen *BY Quetz* to be the Water Sun.
I hope this information helped DaiKun! Great video as always!
There's a whole ton of origin stories on her that Fate doesn't seem to reference in the slightest. I truly felt odd trying to navigate what to include.
I love the scene where she say to Fujimaru Ritsuka to marry her and she fought Goetia for 5 second.
I dream of a day where Quetz gets more love and more merch. Shes such a unique servant and I love her Fate design.
Quetzalcoatl's Noble Phantasm against Tiamat was probably the high point of the Babylonian Anime, which is saying a lot given the quality of that whole series. She's also super cute at the very end when she is saying goodbye and her hair is down.
I wanna see Camazotz and Itzpapalotl as heroic spirits/pseudo servants. I know Itzpapalotl is technically merged with Ashiya Doman but it’s not impossible we’ve seen Jalter and Jeanne in a room together
@this city is really a city Fate is a multiverse so it’s still not impossible
@this city is really a city so it isn't likely
@this city is really a city Oso grand berserker has been revealed
@this city is really a city I feel like it doesn't even matter anyway considering the pattern of grand servants losing their title or actively casting It Off. I'm still waiting for them to BS a playable Solomon into the game. Just cuz he removed himself from the Throne of hero doesn't mean he can't be re-inducted. at the very least another Solomon in another timeline
I think the better comparison is with the Sakura 5. Like Meltryllis and Passionlip, In both cases they both have the spirit of Artemis and Brynhildr with Passionlip using a modified version of Bryn's NP
The Lucha sister is here to put unruly Servants into the Camel Clutch!
Quetzalcoatl’s probably the second best thing to come out of Babylonia anime. Sorry, nothing is touching Ushiwakamaru’s battle with the Gordon. It’s a shame we don’t get her in more events. Most expect we’ll be seeing her in the seventh losbelt if the Grand Servant Daybit summoned is actually her brother. My favorite thing about her is, despite being a pseudo-servant, she was given her own unique design and personality, rather than recycling an already established character *cough* Ishtar *cough*
Yes, another snake goddess has made it
Quetz is a very strong babe who honestly, I would not mind wrestling with and doing some ancient dances. I may suck at dancing, but I will try for her. As for her overall, I only heard of her from the name of the Legend and the fact that Quetz exists. Still a soild lore video even if the lore is small but hey we got to see beautiful fanart as the payoff!
I think the anime Onyx Equinox from Crunchyroll did a good job to when portraying Quetzalcoatl and other gods from Mesoamerican mythology.
When I was playing Babylonia I rolled for Gorgon but got her. At the time I had just started fgo and for some reason I was having luck streak with gold Riders: Marie, Drake, Astolfo, Ozymandias and Quetz.
The sun big sister video is here, keep up the good work.
Quetz is one of my favorite servants and I wished she get more attention. Really hoping that she plays a big role in the 7th Lostbelt with a new(hopefully tanned) class variation.
Turning a god into an alien, this kind of crazy yet make them somehow believable stuff is why I love fate.
A parasite from a meteor, and then Robot Olympians, I won't be surprised if all Mythological pantheons are aliens as well!
I think the Indean Pantheon has been confirmed to be exclusivly terrestrian, same with the Nordics and the Celtic pantheons
@@aablanco48 don't know about Nordic, Sigurd has a high tech glowing sword and mask
@@aminebachir3394 I think that’s only lostbelt Sigurd
I miss your servant profiles so thanks for updating man.
I know this is unrelated to the video but I found something pretty interesting I heard that apparently it could be possible for people without magic circuits to actually become powerful by using mystic codes and mana batteries to fight also apparently Keri didn't have magic circuits for a long time but was still able to serve the church well which I know involves fighting so I guess a normal person could hypothetically do whatever he did but more attracted to the idea of someone making some sort of mystic code that allows them to fight on par with servants like some sort of fate equivalent of iron Man some cool Powers I could think of for such a mystic code could be to drain opponents mana start using the mana batteries to make themselves stronger or maybe drain manna from the planet or on maybe on a even bigger scale drain Mana from the universe or even the root itself but I think it would be pretty cool to see a magic circuit less human become relevant to fights.
It would be wildly inefficient, but it seems possible.
@@otakudaikun I just think it's cool that a normal person has the potential to do great things even if they're the underdog because they don't have magic circuits it's just a personal preference of mine but I like it when in settings where there are superpowered individuals normal people can still be relevant to fights and they don't have to just sit on the sidelines while waiting for some superhuman savior to save them but instead through hard work and resourcefulness are able to make themselves strong enough to fight with or alongside the superhumans.
This took a while, I imagine it’s because of how confusing her lord is.
Interestingly enough, I heard once that maybe the reason why there is so little written about Quetzalcoatl is because she was, ironically, so well known among the Aztec people that they didn’t feel the need to write it down.
It's probably Tsukihime's fault tbh.
I enjoyed quetsocoatl more in the anime than the vn funny enough. Artstyle was Moe fluid with the cast so it didn't seem so out of place. The Babylon anime was a lot of fun to get more on the cast especially how they handled ereshkigal for anime only people hinting at her more and more and not changing to blonde immediately I thought that was cool to make her reveal More Exciting as Jp did love it from what I've seen.
Yeah while she isn't the best quetsocoatl adaption I've seen. She is one of the more fun ones but I hope lb 7 does a lot with south American servants like that spider she hates being hinted and really show if fgo can do anything other than Asia or eruope aside Nordic stuff as that stuff is awful. Area 51 here we come
Yes, the anime got her perfect.
@@otakudaikun funny enough ana and quetsocoatl went up in my list after the anime as ana was much sweeter in the anime and we got more of her and gorgan with their sisters while quetsocoatl was a lot more energetic and fun.
Even taiga had a cool fight scene early one and that like ubw Rin vs illya is when anime filler should be done that only adds to the story rather than hurt it.
Honestly Quetzalcoatl being a woman in Fate doesn't hurt the character as Artoria shows Nasu can write good gebderbended versions of historical and mythological characters.
No what really hurts this adaptation of Quetzalcoatl is that Nasu decided to make him *fucking Goku from Dragon Ball* of all things , the real Quetzalcoatl was known as *The Great Civilizer* , the god wisdom who teached humanity everything about arts crafts agriculture and many other things, even the versions that tell of a Quetzalcoatl that conquered towns where he went have him ultimately had him adopt a more peaceful way of ruling.
Nasu, Quetzalcoatl is NOT a god of war! he is NOT fucking Goku! What the fuck!
@@ollin-tonatiuh6418 it's more a kama situation where the entity uses the body that we see for the host. Quetsocoatl would be more classified as a psedeo servant since it's just a prestress and the real body would be too powerful to use
Nasu messes up a lot of things. He made Odin. Yes ODIN of all things A DELIVERY BOY for castoria as he fails every single time Nordic is done. All the fate writers do this and not sure why as Nordic stuff is better than Greek and Camelot stuff anyways from the world serpent to fanfir fenrir the rainbow bridge Thor Loki Odin of all things existing and even the Valkyrie are terrible. Then it gets mixed with Celtic stuff and we see nothing good as lb 2 is the worst lb story honestly.
@@ivanbluecool
But in that regard Kama gets more respect than Quetzalcoatl, because at least Kama was an actual god before he possesed Sakura, Quetzalcoatl is an alien parasite that choose a female vessel because he wanted to be "beautiful". I don't think I need to tell you that the real Quetzalcoatl doesn't value self beauty enough to change into a woman.
Let me ask you a question, do you see the Odin from Fate taking the form of a loli because he wants to be cute? No, no you don't because that would make absolutely no sense for the real life Odin.
See what I mean?
I legit forgot Quetzalcoatl was a guy in his mythology. Fgo is starting to get to me
Very interesting and it gives me more knowledge about Quetz
Just some Clif notes. Divine spirits summoned into the Age of Gods don't get reduction in divinity as said by Kingu he said that the Goddess Allience have the Saint graph of divine spirits but the spirit Core of True Gods.
Quetz in Babylon was boosted by that fact and the temple she made placing her as the goddess at the apex of Goodness and far stronger than the one chaldea summons.
It's why she was able to scratch tiamat with her NP.
Good point. I was trying to speak in broader terms.
Quetzalcoatl is also one of my Most Definite favorites here in FGO
She's so fun, cheerful, and looking Real Noice AF right there
With Oort being the hypothetical boss of the final lostbelt. Wouldn’t this fight essentially be alien gods vs alien gods? The Aztec being parasites
ORT has been around before FGO was introduced so basically ORT as for Nasu speak or whatever information is available pretty ORT is not only strong (well its a Type after all) but very unconventional as well including alienating the environment and lack of the concept of death (no Mystic of Death Perception for starters). Probably the only faintest of hope is the Blackbarrel since it's one few things along Slash Emperor that outright destroys a Type form but not permanently since they come back later.
I got my quetz from the new year gssr and she just killing any caster enemy in her wake
Definitely one of the most underrated waifus in the game. i really hope she gets some love and appears in LB7, hopefully in an epic showdown against Tezcatlipota (wwhile she's siding with us ofc)
The other Big Sister! If those 2 ever band together, Mama Raikou won’t be enough to save us. Or perhaps a black jaguar will come in between?
From parasitic alien, machine alien, to collective unconsious... And the other unknown deities. Nasuverse at Its finest
Quetzalcoatl is my favorite servant in Fate Grand Order. Glad she came to my Chaldea a couple months ago after trying to get her for 3 years.
I been waiting for this. Beautiful Goddess of the sun who loves wrestling? What's not to love?
I have this crack theory that the aztec, incan and mayan gods were a Velber-type creature that shut its systems down, sent itself adrift space and fossilised into a meteor that fell on the yucatán penninsula and pulled a drakengard ending E on the dinosaurs. That's why Altera and Quetz feel like they are somehow related to / as old as one another but they don't know why, also both can't recall their lives as the white titan and kukulkan.
Also i kinda low-key want Cortéz servant version to have divinity thanks to that world-renown lie about him being Queztalcoatl's re-incarnation lmao imagine losing a treasure but gaining another in death if i were kuku i would be fuming.
Aside from Ishtar and Erakigal (sry idk how to spell it) Quetzalcoatl is best girl of Babylonia
One of my few full NP servants.
I'm glad to see you back with more fate servants lore
Teacher dai kun here to teach us more and now I learnt that quetzalcoatl has more than one backstory
The fact she could've snap Tiamats skull and neck with a kick if she was at full power in Babylonia really made me wonder about her lore
Personally I honestly think she's stronger than the 12 Olympian gods we see in Lostbelt 5 (maybe except Zeus) if she could somehow be in her original form
Tho for plot armor reasons I think the gods were extremely nerfed for no reason
Roughly speaking (since we dont have anything direct to compare), both are considered Chief Gods in FGO, as is Odin. So we can definitely say that they are of compareable "might". I didnt read LB5.2 yet, but my understanding of the fate lore is, that Odin is probably the least "interested" by or "trained" in martial arts, while Quetz is probably the most, so i'd say, in raw power, Quetz might have a slight headstart against Zeus, who (in the real lore) was mostly interested in discovering knowledge and never really played the role of a fighter. However, Quetz' interests are very widespread too (and include an authority over wisdom), so they might be pretty compareable after all.
I really hope we'll see more of her in LB7, especially since i've got a ton of theories about what we might learn about her.
Rare Earth recently did some nice videos about Mayan culture and religion
You can't not love big sis Quetz
Quetzalcoatl (for future reference is pronounced ket-zal-qua-doh) and Tezcatlipoca: *anime fight cloud*
Mortals and other gods: ah boys will be boys.
I've heard a lot of versions and decided just to mimic the official dub.
Oh wait so there are even more Alien Gods in fate?
I have a small confession,this is the first Fate related video i see from OtakuDaiKun,while i know of the Fate series,i cant consider myself a fan,nothing againts it,im just not really into it,i am however a fan of some of its characters,and Quetzalcoatl is definitly one of them,as a Mexican myself,i have no idea why Japan sees this myth of my culture,and makes it an Onee-san type waifu,like with Fate or in Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid,but i hope they nefver stop!,i love onee-sans XP
It probably has more to do with their love for onee-san than it does for whichever mythology they're adapting.
YES LORE TIME
Ohhh new lore thank dai great video
All praise the feathered muscle goddess
Who doesn't like a girl who could both cuddle and piledrive you
Best Goddess, LET'S GO!!
Despite making Quetzacoatl a busty anime girl they at least had the restraint to not make him a shotacon too
in defense of that quetzacoatl, she waits for that character to grow up before actually getting in relationship with him (at least according to a vision that happened in the manga)
Based and Quetz pilled.
I always liked Quetzalcoatl as single DPS servants with a nice critical damage and she's pretty tall (taller then Medusa maybe and Gorgon mostly uses her tail to stand on) and her outfit is pretty nice since Meso American attire doesn't have the concept of underwear as far I know.
Yes!
I'd love to see the HGW iteration where the summoned Quetzalcoatl learned & fell in love with Luchadore. Perhaps one set in Mexico?
i'd love to see that too, as imo it's rather an awkward lore element, as Quetz is a chief god, and would probably neither be summoned easily in a HGW (especially an insignificant one), nor would it then be a normal HGW. Imo the description is kinda poor, since summoning a chief god doesnt simply "happen", and not without consequences, but i'd be more than happy to have it depicted or explained in a satisfying way. for me however, i consider it to be worded a bit poorly, as it'd make more sense that she happened to watch it whatever time period, but as a living being instead of a HGW participant (since she jumps from host to host and is never said to have died, so technically she's still alive, watching over us from somewhere)
This why I grail my lucho libre
Love her but *that* smile scares me
my wiiiffffeeee and Sun!!!!!!!
In a nutshell: KALI MAAA! KALI MAAA!
Hey you didn’t forget her
where did it say her favorite luchador was mistico/sin cara? because that's just plain awesome to think about
I can't recall exactly where that detail came from. I think it's just her FGO profile.
I heard that you make merchandise.
I would love to buy those that have the Rising sun flag design.
Please make those.
That's not a symbol of my channel tho.
There another more......developed quetz with multi colored eyed
Comment 69!!! Nice.
I'd really like to know more about the alien cultures of type moon🤔 I still think the Outer God in fgo is Velber 01 or 03🤷🏼♂️
Well an alien god and an outer god are different things.
@@otakudaikun the moon cell and Sefar are different, but from the same place😶 personally I think Fgo(at least mobile) takes place in the Extra verse inside the moon cell. Solomon is the overseer with 10 Regalia rings to keep it secure. The outer gods are just viruses like BB lol. And without Solomon the Alien god(Velber 01 or 03) could hack in and finish what 02 couldn't 😈 with the beasts of humanity coming to our aid in the final fight! Summonable Goetia??? Lol.
I just think the grands can't help us, cuz we're not proper human history.. but a lostbelt ourselves.. Arcade is the proper human history...
Who was the vessel summoned?
Not anyone recognizable in the franchise prior.
@@otakudaikun tsukihime, but not firmilar with the character no
@@zacharyrodriguez4348 wait, what about Tsukihime?
@@otakudaikun as you stated before it was the first that came up; just a retool
Quetzalcoatl vs Karna who wins?
Certainly nobody in the vicinity lol
Is Christmas 4 really the last thing they've done with her? Why is she so unpopular in Japan?
Did you choose her because of your lack of knowledge in meme?
Anyway I am not sure of Macuahuitl classification but this thing definitely is not blunt. It was full of obsidian blades.
Memes have nothing to do with her.
@@otakudaikun So you did not decide to choose her for next lore because you did not knew why she was among snake/dragon servants?
@@wojciechwerner8787 No, it's more that she's hot and I was sick of not knowing enough.
Rayquaza?
What?
Thats Miss Kobayashi the quetz in there in is more like rayquaza in dragon form isnt she?
Why does my reply keep disappearing
@@otakudaikun hey, does TH-cam automatically deletes comments with links in them?
@@Summer_StarRose I don't know who that is.