Knights in general? Of course the Enforcement Knight that attacked the Civilians, how can I forget him? Seriously though, I like Charli/Karl from Extella Link the most.
@@phantasosxgames8488 I would hesitate as we don't know what his sword in Saber form would do, but we know one of them is the Sword of David, and that one seems to be the one he and Mash have at their waist.
Honestly, I want to see Galahad’s full skill set You know in the Lostroom when Galahad appeared he was covered in an mostly unrecognizable mist that dropped the moment he prepared and activated Lord Camelot to deflect Does he have something similar to For someone’s honor, does his protection extend even to identity Could he summon the sword of red hilt (presumably the second sword Galahad would have) We need the full move set eventually
@@theflyingace611 Wouldn't his Saber form be similar to Galahad Alter from Requiem? I think he used the Sword of David in that, and he could fuse with his Master to turn her into a Demi-Servant like his normal form did with Mash. I remember he fought Lancer (Lucius Longinus) and was the only one able to deflect his lance because of his holy sword, but I don't remember too much else since it has been a while since I read Requiem Volume 1 and I haven't read Volume 2 yet.
@@infernousgaming1393 maybe but you also gotta remember that most alters are rather different then their original forms look at people like Jeanne Alter and Atalanta and compare them to the powers of their normal self
Part of the dificulty in judgeing this to begin with is that the arthurian legends have a bad habit of calling whichever knight is the current protagonist the best knight in the world, often multiple times. Its actualy kind of funny, it feels a bit like angry fanfic writers insisting their OC is the best at times.
If I remember correctly Lancelot is an OC created by a priest to promote courtly romance to the Arthurian legend and after a few rewrite of the legend Lancelot and almost all of his fanfic become canon to the Arthurian legend. So yeah most of the Arthurian legend is a fanfic by previous author and somehow most of them become canon.
@@iryu7288 You remember correctly. Lancelot is actually a (comparatively) late addition to the mythos, though he is still firmly in the category where he's pretty much universally agreed to be "cannon" He is also notably French, which is very telling because at the time the Arthurian Ledgends were more popular in France than they were in England. A new character gets added whos the bestest fighter ever and he just so happens to be French. Gawain is the original champion who's a stronger fighter than the King but suffers from spiritual flaws, he goes right back to the oldest oral traditions. Galahad is where real problems begin to emerge, he is such a late addition to Arthurian myth that its difficult to really call him a feature of it and he has many qualities common to Mary Sues, such as being absolutely perfect in every way, beloved by everyone and being the strongest Knight ever who god just straight up declares to be the perfect man second only to Jesus. This general inconsistency and ocasonal propaganda like tone is why Tolkien despised Arthurian myth. For myself however it doesn't bother me. While you need to take Arthurian legend with a grain of salt, and there are definitely characters that are more dubious than others, for the most part the general outline of what we call Arthurian cannon is fairly clear. Its a blurred outline, but not so blurred that we cant put our finger on it. Hopefully that makes sense and doesn't just sound like crazy rambling lol.
It's making me cringe every time some people I know make their OCs some omnipotent beings with godlike power, while I've always make mine at least have two or three human weaknesses. I can't stay away from science, after all.
@@VitchAndVorty well I do something like that but separate character or alternate universe ( one who have many flaw and one almost Mary sue ) Edit: skip this if you don't read my oc thing. One who have many flaw have godlike power but have weakness like morally complex, alway forgetting something, heroic complex and etc . (Also this oc have godlike power but still think he unworthy) While nearly so called Mary sue almost no have weakness exculding godlike entity thing.
@@CyborgAkuma20022 naw he wack perfect knight galahad can yeet and solo all of them not even spear of longinus and destiny will harm ghalahad blessed by god
My favorite is mordred she’s just a great character especially in Apocrypha with her realizing what she truly wanted and she just feels more human to me and Camelot adds another layer to it with her not caring that she won’t be accepted into the city but just wanting to be a good knight to the lion king and if we ever get a mordred alter with a full power claret I’m going broke
@@Kakaragi I’d love it and it makes since she kinda already has some type of madness to her that they could play off and if I’m not mistaken didn’t Semiramis say that she very berserker like anyway so it fits
Unfortunately for Percival, he also lost a deal of his legends to Galahad, whom would later become known as the Knight of the Grail in Percival's place
We come back months later to hear that Percival fought In two to three grail wars. Mans out here fighting grail wars like nothing other than getting it done on a Tuesday Night Shift
Everyone also has to remember, when Bedivere was journeying and doing all these feats in Camelot, he was completely human, and as a servant, he is obviously stronger
Funny thing is that Fate actually nerfed Bedivere as he was much stonger in the original and oldest Welsh myths to such a point that he was outright said to be Arthur strongest knight even through he only had one arm. He even had a magic lance as a weapon that could strike 9 times for even hit he made in his opponents unfortunately it didn't seem to have any fancy name like most of the knights weapons. This was before Gawain and favourite French Oc insert Lancealot took postion of top knight and he become a more minor character in later myths.
Finally my man Arthur getting the respect he deserves. Also, we still don't know if Arthur has Avalon, but it's not wrong to assume that he has since the story of both Arthur and Artoria is the same (except the magic dick, gender of the merlin, reason why mordred turn against the king and personality). He would be fricking OP with full unsealed Excalibur and Avalon.
We can assume he possessed Avalon (or a version of it) at one point, but the difference is the we have absolutely no idea where his version is. He definitely doesn't possess it as a servant, but that's all we know
@@lucaswinsor4469 Actually it's very possible he had it upon summon by Manaka or she gave it to him . Her father asked him for something and it was put into Ayaka during Prototype prequel and it was IT that allowed her summoning Arthur.
Honestly Fate Bedivere is actually nerfed from the myths as he was much stonger there and in the older myths was even called Arthur strongest knight. Although this was before french OC lancealot was added to the myths
You know, if we're taking into account Servant feats for Arthur, it should be noted that in his first interlude in FGO that he actually took on Arash, Mordred, and Proto-Cu in a 3v1 sparring match and they were barely doing anything to him. Mordred even had to take pride that she managed to hit him once during the whole thing lol.
Facts, Arthur has always been goated. He may have gotten shafted in fgo, but mans has always been on sight. I'm really hoping we get a lot more of the prototype verse, it's always been interesting to me.
Actually, Saber lancelot can still use other weapons as his own. He just... chooses not to. To be fair, arondite is a far better than most anything he can pick up off the ground and it's unbreakable
17:48 Was a Grand Saber ever confirmed in FGO? I've read theories that a version of King Arthur with Avalon would make him a strong candidate for a Grand Servant.
@saber 1616 if you think about arthur in his true form alive with the core and Avalon plus the seals unleashed he would easily be stronger than most grand servants in fact only people stronger than him would be beasts
@saber 1616 but i think it would be to much if merlin or proto merlin was the grand saber since he's already a grand caster and even his overall power or skills besides clairvoyance are still remain unknown as caster, but if it really is merlin or proto merlin i would not be suprised, but i would like to see if artoria or arthur to be the the grand saber sice artoria had a lot of treasury in camelot like rhongomyniad, prydwen, avalon, etcs even mash shield was made of arthur chair. maybe (just maybe) if artoria or arthur have all the treasury of camelot as a servant would be pretty enough to make her a grand servant to me. i still dont know about castoria since im not there yet in fgo tho, other than that ur theory was really good tho even i would love to see merlin proto to be grand saber lol.
@saber 1616 yes when arthur said he value excalibur more than its sheath merlin scolded him saying "Please make no mistake here. The sword slashes the enemy, but the sheath protects you. As long as you have the sheath on you, you will spill no blood and take no wounds. You should truly value the sheath, not the sword", merlin was training artoria before she pulled the caliburn, but yeah even merlin himself said he prefered wielding sword rather than casting spells since he was so lazy to cast a spell so thats made the point if he might be a really good sword wielder which can made him a saber (grand)class, but seeing 2 same character as a grand servant are not possible for me since every single hero from grand servant are different, as for grand servants theres no way it could be a *4 since the title itself means to protect humanity it will be guaranteed to be a *5. the only possibilities we know is that kawasumi is voicing grand saber. and in fate she only voiced artoria and merlin proto if i remember correctly,
Lancelot. In all the stories he's just the most relatable. His flaws make him more interesting. And that's him from the real lore. Saber Lancelot is my boy and I'm working on grailing him now lol
If we’re bringing up Arthur’s feats, do we also bring up Lucius Tiberius? An Emperor of Rome who wielded a goddess blessed blade, Florent, Hindu Demons feared him, has super-regeneration, he was able to handily defeat both Gawain and Bedivere by himself at the same time and Arthur was able to fight on par with him.
Mordred had the "too angry to die" passive skill, and I agree that her wild fighting style dismissing normal knight swordplay makes her very unpredictable and dangerous; to her, rubbles, environment, everything can be used as a weapon.
@Alex Brockmann But she’s a lolli with a reveling outfit, automatically moving her way down the list. Record of Ragnarok’s interpretation of Jack the Ripper is much cooler, you should check it out, it’s a good read.
I'm so sad there isn't an anime with Arthur being the MC hope at least they include him in FGO story for the next beast fight Arthur definitely deserved first place
@@Comet_373 Arthur more likely. They have similar stats across the board but with different focuses. Artoria has higher Luck and Mana whereas Arthur has higher Strength and Endurance. In fight without Avalon to boost them then I would give it to Arthur simply because he'll likely be able to outlast and out damage Artoria in the long run. If both had Avalon though then it boils down to who makes the first mistake. Artoria's luck might factor into that but at that point it's up the writer than based on their actual stats.
@@tronovonflidder775 If we're talking about both of them at their peak then Arthur's actually still has the upper hand overall. Under Manaka, he's got Strength (A), Endurance (A+), and Mana (A). If it's a contest to see who can outlast the other then Arthur's far more likely to win cause he has firepower, defense, and stamina down pat. This guy survived losing half his body during the battle with Ozy. That's how far his endurance can go. Even at his worst at E-rank Mana, he puts up a fight that wrecks part of Shinjuku and nearly gets Proto-Gilgamesh killed. Artoria has equal strength and mana under similar circumstances but her defense is still weaker. So unfortunately I have to pin my chances on Arthur coming out on top. In an overall fight though it would boil down to who's the more skilled swordsman. I don't see either spamming Excalibur cause collateral damage and all that, not unless it's a fight to the death anyway but like you said they'll just cancel each other out so the point is moot.
Some of the power levels compared between fate and the 'real' round table are pretty interesting. Lancelot was busted as hell in the original lore. Basically could only be beaten in a real fight by Galahad, who had literal CHAD VIRGIN powers. And then Galahad fucked off with the grail and Lancelot continued being an unstoppable monster until everyone else straight up died and he was all that was left. Agravain is implied to be pretty strong in fate, but in the 'real' lore I only remember him ever touching a sword one time, and it was when he tried to attack Lancelot while he was naked, and Lancelot killed him with a chair. Mordred wasn't really that good of a swordsman either. He gained power mainly through politics, and only managed to trade killing blows with Arthur because he was old and barely able to even get up from his desk the night before their final battle. He basically spent his final day depressed, lamenting the fact that his entire life's work had fallen apart around him, and he was going to die alone not able to fix all of the things he could have done better had he been smarter. Then STILL managed to kill Mordred. Gawain I always thought was a more interesting character in original lore. Ended up being the last knight loyal to Arthur, even though he was raised to believe Arthur was his sworn enemy. He took Arthur's ideals to heart and ended up being the true model knight, something even Lancelot failed to do in the end.
If I remember correctly, didn't Arthur also fought the beast VI/666 and defeated beast VI/666 in Fate/Prototype? and then after that it turns out the beast somehow is still alive and now he is hunting for it throughout the multiverse? Then that makes him even more respectable in terms of feat.
Gawain should be higher. Also, its kinda wack to out Galahad since we are actually yet to kow the true capabilities of Galahad. He should be at least near lancelot.
It was implied Gawain was at the same level as Artoria in Fate/Extra, it was implied with Avalon I think it was due to the sun. I didn't understand have Bevidere Excalibur overpowered Galatine either considering their strength isn't far apart
@@nevagongoflawless6340 there is sun. There was a whole bit of story of us trying to beat him by turning off the sun. It's a digital sun but to him it was real. When we beat Leo in the fight it was sunset
Going from the various stories of Galahad in Arthorian legends, he's the straight up strongest there is. There's even a story about him absentmindedly unseating Lancelot in a impromptu joust on a random road. At that point, I don't think Lancelot had ever been beaten before
I found it funny how in the novel the shockwaves from the clashes between Mordred and Siegfried was shaking the Yggdmillennia castle (that was located *miles away*) to the point where people inside worried it might collapse but then Mo-san herself mentions that Arturia is physically superior to her. Imagine her and Herc swinging at each other without having to worry about their surroundings. Guess HF clash is the closest we'll get to see it in terms of animation.
Keep in mind Mordred reinforced with a Command Spell agaisnt Siegfried. Without that, she would have lost. His advantages over her thanks to her dragon traits would have been too much. And another thing; Lancelot can use Knight of Owner as a Saber. It's just listed as a Skill in FGO due to how things are set up there, it's still a NP. EDIT: Like how it devolved into a discussion of Artoria vs Mordred
Also don't forget if we take into account her battle against sieg It was stated she would lose if sieg had been able to transform again and use all of Siegfried's powers Siegfried doesn't get enough credit which is sad
@@Nekogami04 trueee Like most servants were stronger when they were alive(exceptions such as Angra or those that rely on fame like Jason do exist) but Siegfried was just broken in life and was nerfed by being a servant
Also keep in mind that Mordred was fairly injured at the start of her fight with transformed Sieg at it said that the order from the comand seal was too vague, resulting in Mordred only getting boosted back up to her normal, uningured ability. If she had been uningured at the start of the fight, she would have been able to do the same thing without the comand seal.
@@appliepi that is true but that still speaks that Siegfried was just a superior servant to Mordred since she was boosted up to normal and she admitted that sieg would've won if he transformed again and inherited Siegfried's full power
Also, just so you know, Tristan's strongest class is Saber. He's just mostly summoned as an Archer because of Failnaught's legend outshining Curtana's.
@@tronovonflidder775 Lancelot is the most skilled swordsman of his era, but perhaps Galahad is still a better overall fighter. We saw his h2h skills in Moonlight and plus, he can fight with the Round Table as a shielder.
@@desuwa1994 Willpower and conviction, bonus against evil. Goetia, despite wanting only the best in the end, is ludicrously evil in his actions, as is the attack he shoots at Mash. Protecting you, protecting humanity, blocking an attack it's got advantage over all let the shield survive
If you're referring to the fight that Galahad had against Lancelot, he was barely fighting back and even after he "lost", he didn't even seem to be hurt.
I believe he was referring to the actual legend of King Arthur and not the singularity. Galahad did defeat Lancelot in a one-on-one duel and it earned him a spot on the round table.
The fight you are talking about was Mash vs Lanceelot whitch tells us nothing about Galahad abilities or skills as he is stonger then her so no use trying to scale him from that.
They murdered my boy Gawain in the Camelot movies also great video I am glad to have met someone who has actually read the character materials as a lot of stuff regarding skills and states usually are spread through a biased game of Chinese whisper were it turns out that the guy who started it just made random stuff up along the way and stated it as 'translation' from the character material books
@@BoopaKing Well, the extent of Merlin's magic is rather unknown, we don't really know what he can or can't do, the game won't really tell us, the anime won't really tell us either, we know he is a mage of flowers, he can summon and use Excalibur, can create illusions and use offensive magecraft like mana bursts beams and orbs.
Lancelots greatest failing in fate zero... Is his master. He wasn't operating at peak power and he couldn't remain active for long. In fact he died as his master did. Meaning he ran out of mana and was no longer supplied with enough power to fight artoria.
Excalibur was forged to destroy Sefar/Velber 02, who shitted on all the gods that were on Earth in 12.000 b.c. (the only other character/thing that was able to defeat Sefar, was Zeus fused with all the other machine gods of olympus, in the lostbelt 5 version of history). So yes, Excalibur is the goat
@@Pridam in either case arturia clapped mordred and it was morgan that dealt the finishing blow on arturia through the curse. in a 1v1 with no gimmicks or curses mordred doesnt stand a chance which is pretty much lore accurate.
@@Pridam yea shes unreasonably overhyped by her appearence in the apocrypha anime which already botched the source material. shes maybe on par with percival and other mid ranking knights but cant stand up to any of the top members. gareth can put up a decent fight against her and shes the second lowest rank among the knights after bedivere.
@@Pridam gareth is a bit of a mixed bag. on one hand she can fight decently well against other knights ranking higher than herself and on the other hand she got her head smashed in with one hit by a raging lancelot (without having her armor or weapon on her but still) and got insta killed by lion king. (befor chaldea got summoned to the camelot singularity) bedivere is supposed to be the weakest of the knights but with just his experience he can go against opponents far stronger than himself. and mordred while being strong has nothing realy going for her. the weaker knights can stand up to her and the stronger ones outclass her even tho shes an artoria clone with similar mana capacity and physical capabilities.
Agree. Reason why Arthur is scary to fight against is that he's got much more of a soldier attitude rather than a chivalrous attitude. Stil a fully fledged Knight, mind you. Just fights to kill every time, and rarely if ever pulls punches considering collateral.
For me, my favorite knight, and Servant has, and always will be Lancelot. It could be how he was portrayed in F/Z, his abilities, his badass appearance, his backstory, or all of the above. But when he first stepped on the field for the first time, and started putting GILGAMESH on the back foot, in such a badass way, I was in love. Add in Knight of Honor, For Someone Else’s Glory, and Arondight, and you have a beast of a character.
I summoned Proto Arthur on my third day playing FGO. He was my first 5-star servant and just having him allowed me to sweep the singularities clean especially when I maxed his level and stats. I was unstoppable which is why he's still in my starting lineup to this day.
As a Mordred fangirl, I will point out that during her fight with Bedivere she never actually used Mana Burst until she let out CBA. Which is a very notable exclusion.
I feel like Percy is a lot stronger since he: A. Is the OG Grail-knight and being Galahad's predecessor isn't something to sneeze at B. Wields Longinus, the lance that pierced Christ, albeit in a restricted state C. He's a buff Bro That being said I don't really see him above Bedivere and we know so little about Agravain's strength I wouldn't know where you could put him
@@gypsysprite4824 yes. The lostbelt version was just an ordinary human kid who died after one use of Longinus: Count ZERO. He had black and white hair. The one we get is the real Percy. Melusine confirms that in her my room dialogue for him
Percival is a strange hero because he's appeared in more stories than any other but you don't hear much of him in modern days. I believe he's even on the journey where Gallahad finds the grail.
Glad that Arthur is #1 in this list, no wonder he is called The First, also The First Saber, going as far as fighting a beast (beast VI) even though he might not be a grand servant. He is my favorite servant and I was soo happy when I got him.
In some of the older Welsh myths he was actually Arthur strongest knight and even had a magic spear he carried into battle. It's really odd that Fate nerfed him to such a level that he apparently isn't normal worthy of being a heroic spirt.
No one shall know the truth Behind that faithful day Artorigus went forth To where the brilliant sword displayed Twis the first of many feats So great Artorigus, we sing of him The noble and the brave -Two tales of the noble knights
As far as I know, proto Arthur also specializes on fighting large enemies and these enemies are dangerous in its own right. That makes me believe Arthur is stronger than artoria
We also have some knowledge of Sir Kay as well but its probably not enough to know how strong he is exactly, but he might be somewhere in the lower half of the table -He is weaker at pure sword fighting then Artoria but is not stated by how much -He has beat giants which has been mentioned in both Bedivere's interlude and the Garden of Avalon novel -He is said to be the best swimmer of anyone in the round table which might be referring to a very old and obscure legend about being able to go nine days and nine nights without the need to breathe or to sleep, -He was in charge of the rear guard as well as the overall logistics during campaigns and maybe in general We even have a clue to his Noble Phantasm. In case files he has one called "Camelot Image: Fleeting Forgotten Castle" and from some jp wikis it seems to be a weaker version of Galahads Lord Camelot but with the ability to reflect any attack that destroys it (but its also described as a "Virtual Noble Phantasm" so if he ever shows up in the game it'll probably be different)
So a long time ago my mom told me I was named after the knight of the round table Tristan and while researching this was one of the 1st results. I'm not even into fate(mainly because I don't know where to start) but it still makes me happy that he is a badass apparently.
@@actuallymerlin actually I've gone through character development. My mom told be about a year ago that it was actually my brother who named me, and he named me after a Yu-Gi-Oh character lol
@@ThatChristianMetaIhead also if i had a nickel for every person i’ve met that’s been named after a yu gi oh character i would have 4 nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened
@@tronovonflidder775 ????? He literally said that the only reason why Lancelot lost was because of Narrarive and because he "wanted to be punished". Yeah, its still bs but it doesn't negate everything he said about him. He was literally said Lancelot was giving Artoria a bad time and that had better skills than her and that Artoria's only had Excalibur in her favor.
@@tronovonflidder775 Thats...That's what I said. Yes, I know his reasoning is bs I know the real reason why Lancelot lost was due to the lack of mana. I know that Excalibur doesn't grant saber any kind of boost. Let me backpedal ok? Maybe I wasn't clear enough before, sorry. When I said his reasoning was "bs" I meant that it wasn't the real reason why he lost. But said reasoning doesn't hype up Artoeia either. And, idk, I don't feel he hyped up Artoria there, he already put Artoria below and hyped Lancelot up against Gilgamesh, it just doesn't sound like me that he was suggesting Artoria to be higher, but that he was basically saying "yeah, I said good things about 3rd place, now check out 2nd place who is already superior than 3rd place" In the matter of Artoria/Arthur, I disagree with you, but that isn't the point of our comments on the matter of Lancelot "being respected" here.
Watching this and looking at how Agravain was shown in the camelot movie it's a sea of difference, from scary npc to terrifying mass of destruction and shadow soldiers agravain gained my respect in the movie
Something that should be considered is how animated format may not translate properly from what was intended and may just appear some way just for the sake of it. Such as Galahad fighting Artoria Alter and winning. Then there is how context will be given to and after something happens, such as when Mashu beat Lancelot in Camelot for Xuanzang after to say he held back.
Well, yeah we never count the anime FIRST, that goes without saying. Galahad has such little showcase on his own tidbits like that are necessary. Him beating Salter isn't much of a reach anyway.
Putting Artoria below Lancelot is common sense, But Gawain is too low, not for thing Lancelot and Gawain are meant to be equals. Also, actual Siegfried (not Sieg) wouls easily defeat Mordred and Artoria.
Well the sword itself isn't meant to be a weapon, it's largely ceremonial in the path to ascending the throne, but yes. Her forcefully taking it when she wasn't worthy/right puts it an entire rank lower than what it should be.
Lancelot will always be my favorite. The existence of his saber ver is his sumbol of redemption, while his zerk version is his way admiting his own sin. Not to mention he only KoTR who choose to oppose Lion Ling in Camelot singularity.
@@joshlariviere152 Isnt galahad refused before pre camelot singularity story? and yeah, I should mention "the only knight who opposed Lion King, not including pre-camelot KoTR."
I've always liked Proto-Arthur's design since that old trailer with Shy looking waifu. I adore Saber but I'd kill for a grail war with those two directed by the same guy that did Fate:Zero.
I will admit I am a bit biased towards Mordred because she's my favorite anime character, but still. A lot of people bring up the fact that Kairi uses command seals in pivotal points to boost Mordred and use that against her. But his command seal uses are some of the best we've seen in the franchise. And everybody have access to them so it's not like it's unfair, and honestly nothing in a grail war is unfair. People often also bring up the use of drugs in her fight with Semiramis, but Mordred was already at a severe disadvantage in that fight and the fact they made it even was insane.
I haven't read the novels, but I've heard that the reasons Mordred was able to go toe toe against Sieg, and able to survive Fran's np was because of her master's command seals One to empower her vs Sieg And another to teleport her or boost her magic resistance against Fran's explosion. Are those true claims, or just people making things up?
It’s true in the anime, however I also didn’t read the novels. But during the fight with Fran, Caules commented on how stupid he felt after forgetting the opposing master could use command seals as well. Her armor was destroyed but the mana from the command seal improved her resistance to Fran’s NP. And with the fight with Sieg, Mordred asked her master to use another command seal so she could continue fighting.
@@tronovonflidder775 you are talking a lot of shit here . No offense intended mind you. You should make the difference between fgo gameplay and the actual lore. What do you mean Siegfried is niche ? He isn't. He literally hit everything hard and hit dragon even harder.
@@tronovonflidder775 how is mordred better than Siegfried when she barely could contend with sieg who is a noob with zero fighting experience ? Siegfried and karna fought for hours without a victor cause they were equals. I believe is fate extra Gawain under the sun is said to be karna equal. Mordred herself said she can't beat Gawain at night let alone under the sun. Also I want to point out the anime representation of Mordred fight against sieg and frankenstein is BS. In the anime when frankenstein used blasted tree it look like mordred just tanked it and survive. That is wrong Sisigou,mordred master used a command spell to teleport her away. Without that she would have died. However If Siegfried was on mordred position he wouldn't take a single amount of damage from frankenstein noble phantasm. When mordred went against sieg transformed she needed a command spell from her master to help her focus on the fight and be at her best. Regardless she was unable to do anything against Sieg who I want to emphasize is just a noob . Later they both used their nobles Phantasms. Somehow mordred survived the explosion that resulted from it by pure luck but was completely wasted with her armor gone. Mordred herself noted that If sieg was just a step closer she would have died . Sieg however who was still transformed suffered no damages from the explosion from their nobles Phantasms. In the anime they managed to screw that one by forgetting Siegfried is immune to anything that is B-rank and below. Even A-rank just become E-rank meaning mordred noble phantasm would have done nothing to sieg. So do you understand how much you overestimate mordred capability ?
You should have made it more clear that basically as soon as you get to Agravain you are already at servant's who are more powerful than 90% of the entire servant universe. I would have put Galahad a but higher though since he hasn't been shown as full power and yet Mash could still stop Solomon's attack, and she is only using a part of that power.
Dude, i think that people usually forget that Artoria is actually a monster of a servant, i mean: 1-She is naturally inmune to magic bellow A rank, what is nothing less that magic at the level of the age of the gods. Practically 80% of the casters can even harm her. 2-She wasn't even a normal servant in the events of the series, she was copied-pasted from that point of history previous of her dead, what means that she was not sumoned at her peak like every other servant, that's why she doesn't have avalon during the series or why she can't go in spirit form like the others. And thats why she always returned to that moment on the hill after each holy grial war (those who have readed the VN might know, but those who doesn't probably dont) 3-In most of her fights she is restricted to don't use her NP because the war must keep being a secret thing, and let's remember, the AoE of Excaliburn pretty damn huge, it's not an option nearly never when the war take place in the middle of a populated city. 4-She can heal herself, dude, who can tell me how many other servants can do that half good as she does? and let's be clear, majority of the are casters. 5-This maybe sounds funny to FGO players, but Instint is a pretty broken skill, and in conjuction whit her A rank luck allows her to dodge even Gae Bolg and survive most of the hardest oponents like the Rejend, the swallow slayer, the savior of France Koujiro. 6-Whit Avalon in her possesion (what must be the case if she is summoned as a complete servant), she can regenerate instantly any type of wound, and still have more that enougth mana to Spam a full potential Excaliburn at least 7 times in a row (like vs Gilgamesh in the end of her route in the VN) As a complete servant she's a complete monster, but even in the state she was during the series she was strong enough to reach the end in both wars.
15:27 I always assumed that Artoria won because Berserker's master died, depriving him of mana and severely weakening him while Artoria was still fighting at full strength.
Artoria was not at full strenght. Kiritsugu isnt really a good magus like Rin, he is mostly '' average'' like Kirei and also had bad compatibility with Saber which resulted in nerfing her a little in stats... but at least its way better than Shirou or Shinji as a master.
@@Azel90w Honestly they say Saber is weaker under Kiritsugu compared to Rin but I dont really see a difference. Hell in some cases I think Saber under Kiritsugu is better. Saber (Kiritsugu) has a D in luck which is a big rank down but has A in both Endurance and Speed while a B in Strength. Saber (Rin) has A in Strength but B in both Endurance and Speed, but has an A+ in Luck. Overall I think it balances out.
Wasn't Kojiro's swordsmanship better? It was stated even in the anime. Of course, she jobbed by not using excalibur or something, but thats most on her end, a fatal weakness. Also, Kojiro wasnt all in on the first fight.
That's not a weakness of her. She can't use Excalibur carelessly cause Shirou is incapable of providing mana, so she has to contain her output, since she can stay in this world only relying on her own mana reserve.
The Round Table’s power rankings is the hardest thing to gauge because they are a bunch of tales of writers all trying to one-up one another with their own Gary Stu that is the super duper ultra Knight. Amongst the Fate universe itself Artoria and Arthur self-gimp themselves by sealing their super-weapons and we never really know their raw skill level because they are very into self-deprecation (thus will always claim others are stronger). We do know at the end of the civil war Mordred was capable of annihilating most of Arthur’s forces alone but only because of Morgan’s curse. Agravain’s is strong but the guy is mostly into cunning tactics hence why it was very in-character of him to basically cheat his way to kill Lancelot. Lancelot and Gawain are equals mostly and were pitted as foils in many Arthurian tales, with their only true fight in Camlann ending in a tie. Also I do think you are underselling Percival since the man had the inner will to obtain the Lance of Longinus, at the same time Galahad (Arthurian lore’s true Gary Stu) obtained the Grail. I would say he is above Agravain. I am wondering where the other Knights would rank since there are a few yet unknown seats which were the absolutely strongest knights in the Pre-Lancelot stories.
Didnt morderd kill artoria and maybe arthur? Idk about him while artoria was wielding fucking rhongomyniad, the lanca more overpowerd than excalibur and possibly avalon
@@heliosjollywolf9552 He was wielding a sword cursed by Morgan to murder Artoria (or Arthur in Proto’s case). That is why Mordred’s NP carries a conceptual strenght over Artoria and Arthur (even in FGO). However the actual death itself was not caused by Mordred, who was already dead as she was stabbed fatally by Rhongomyniad, but by the curse itself. In fact, in Apocrypha’s novel it is stated clearly that she fell from her wound, and in grief attempted to caress Artoria’s face before death but lost consciousness beforehand. But as she fell her sword hand swung down due to the curse, catching Artoria by surprise and giving her the fatal wound.
@@lenleon3699 my point was that if she could stad arthur/arthoria when they wield rhongomyniad, their strongest weapon, she could easily beat them if they were using excalibur, also if you apply poison to your blade and your enemy dies from the poison you still killed em
@@heliosjollywolf9552 You do realize what I explained right? A frigging corpse magically moved it’s hand to stab her. Basically Morgan killed her, not Mordred.
My Favorite is Artoria because you mentioned only her Saber Form but not her Lancer Form who did a kill shot on Gawain but because he didn’t die she didn’t perceive to kill him
Also, Arthur has the Stronger Excalibur. At best, Artoria's Excalibur is Anti-Army/Anti-Fortress. Arthur's is Anti-world (if he fights the likes of 666). Also, why skip on the other version of Fate/Prototype? Where he managed to defeat Proto Gilgamesh.
@@tronovonflidder775 for the Gil argument, yes, Gilgamesh is stronger than Prototype Gil, but almost mainly because of the lack of Ea on the latter. Although he might not have Ea, Prototype Gil seems to have better speed and skill(especially with Enki) compared to Gil, with Bab-Ilu(his Gate of Babylon) being better used in high speed battles compared to Gil's GoB, even defeating Herc(Yeah, Fate Gil also defeated Herc, but it still a great feat when Prototype Gil is much more focused on close ranged combat compared to Gilgamesh) As for the two Excaliburs, Excalibur did defeat the White Titan that kills Gods and was almost going to destroy the world, it was still weaker than Ea which clashed with it, where Gil held back before he unleashed it's full power, which was negated by Avalon, not Excalibur. Ea's attack power is based on twenty times Gil's strength and the number of treasure he collected, while massive, isn't strong enough to be Anti-World(that is Ea's conceptual nature that sees the Truth that makes it an Anti-World NP, not it's power), while Prototype Excalibur was able to overpower a NP who's power is Anti-World level in the form of Enki's Flood.
@@tronovonflidder775 Gil's Ea can't destroy the world with sheer power alone, that where it's conceptual nature of Truth comes in(that's why it was countered by Enkidu's own Enuma Elish, which was based on conceptual creation opposed to Gil's conceptual destruction). Its conceptual nature would bring the earth to it's Truth and origin, the Genesis(essentially, the world when it was still a big ass circle of lava and rock). Prototype Gil basically defeated Arthur in CqC, only to be defeated when Arthur used Excalibur (but he also did survive the blast). What's great about his win against Herc compared to Gil is that he took him down with CqC aswell(also, slight advantage with his other NP, which makes him the ultimate survivor, but Herc has Godhand and his other NP that guarantees Victory, which Gil was able to overcome without using the Flood), so it's not farfetch that Proto Gil can defeat Artoria. As for the Excaliburs, while, yes, less seals were used on her part during the fight between Gil and her, it's still stated that Ea(only sheer power) surpasses Excalibur and always has been stated to be Anti-Army, Anti-Fortress at best, never above, even when it used to kill Sefar, while Prototype Excalibur's maximum potential is said to be Anti-World (even has the Ex status compared to Artoria's A++). Hell, even 666 has Nega Messiah, which is said to be the same as Taimat's Nega Genesis, which give resistance to NPs(literally was needed to be removed so Ea can finish Taimat off), even with that, Arthur was able to injure it enough using only 6 seals to split it into two and retreat. Arthur, alone, was sent to destroy 666, a BEAST, who are usually tackled by 7 Grand Servants.
@@tronovonflidder775 hm, I can agree with you on the Excaliburs. We will just wait for any potential feats in the future to be fully sure about it. While not saying Artoria would be destroyed by Prototype Gil, this is still Gil, only without Ea but bloodlusted and more CqC focused. He is famously known to counter other Servants, afterall(as seen as to what happened with Herc and Arthur), so it's not out of the realm of possibility that she would lose to Prototype Gil, especially if he would send out Dragon slaying weaponry or Clarent for conceptual advantage.
looking at their parameters and skills, both based on Ritsuka being their master (type moon wiki goo brrr) Artoria's main advantages are in her magic core (and with it A rank mana) and her A+ Luck along with actually having an avalon if she has the opprotuniy to get it. While Arthur has better raw Strength (A rank to artoria's B rank) and endurance (A+) along with stomping big bois and I get the feeling that the two excaliburs themselves are literally the same, Arthur just is stuck with an easier time actually bringing out the full power thanks to the difference in how it's power is sealed. but at the same time that sword has gone through so many retcons that at this point i might be best to not factor it in
to me bedivere was a gold coin among platinum coins better than normal knight but weak against the Demi god like upper knights of the round edit: also Gawain may possess the belt of the green knight what abilities do you think it would have if they ever use it
Who's your favorite Knight And Why?
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Proto arthur, seems like a bro
I like galahad, he looks really cool
Artoria pendragon, she's a badass
Knights in general? Of course the Enforcement Knight that attacked the Civilians, how can I forget him?
Seriously though, I like Charli/Karl from Extella Link the most.
From the Round Table, Percival, the first arthurian legend i read and a great himbo
To this day it still breaks my heart that Mordred is the only one who actually wears her helmet (aside from zerkerlot)
Mordred wins for best helmet tho
you like helmets? well Lancer Saber too in her 1st Ascension
Gareth
Gareth wears one on her second ascension, but I get what you mean. I'd love a Gawain with a helmet.
Berserker lancelot
One thing to take into account is that Mashu can only use a fragment of Galahad's actual strength.
true , but Galahad's best classes are Saber and Rider.
@@phantasosxgames8488 I would hesitate as we don't know what his sword in Saber form would do, but we know one of them is the Sword of David, and that one seems to be the one he and Mash have at their waist.
Honestly, I want to see Galahad’s full skill set
You know in the Lostroom when Galahad appeared he was covered in an mostly unrecognizable mist that dropped the moment he prepared and activated Lord Camelot to deflect
Does he have something similar to For someone’s honor, does his protection extend even to identity
Could he summon the sword of red hilt (presumably the second sword Galahad would have)
We need the full move set eventually
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Wouldn't his Saber form be similar to Galahad Alter from Requiem? I think he used the Sword of David in that, and he could fuse with his Master to turn her into a Demi-Servant like his normal form did with Mash. I remember he fought Lancer (Lucius Longinus) and was the only one able to deflect his lance because of his holy sword, but I don't remember too much else since it has been a while since I read Requiem Volume 1 and I haven't read Volume 2 yet.
@@infernousgaming1393 maybe but you also gotta remember that most alters are rather different then their original forms
look at people like Jeanne Alter and Atalanta and compare them to the powers of their normal self
Part of the dificulty in judgeing this to begin with is that the arthurian legends have a bad habit of calling whichever knight is the current protagonist the best knight in the world, often multiple times. Its actualy kind of funny, it feels a bit like angry fanfic writers insisting their OC is the best at times.
If I remember correctly Lancelot is an OC created by a priest to promote courtly romance to the Arthurian legend and after a few rewrite of the legend Lancelot and almost all of his fanfic become canon to the Arthurian legend.
So yeah most of the Arthurian legend is a fanfic by previous author and somehow most of them become canon.
@@iryu7288 You remember correctly. Lancelot is actually a (comparatively) late addition to the mythos, though he is still firmly in the category where he's pretty much universally agreed to be "cannon"
He is also notably French, which is very telling because at the time the Arthurian Ledgends were more popular in France than they were in England. A new character gets added whos the bestest fighter ever and he just so happens to be French.
Gawain is the original champion who's a stronger fighter than the King but suffers from spiritual flaws, he goes right back to the oldest oral traditions.
Galahad is where real problems begin to emerge, he is such a late addition to Arthurian myth that its difficult to really call him a feature of it and he has many qualities common to Mary Sues, such as being absolutely perfect in every way, beloved by everyone and being the strongest Knight ever who god just straight up declares to be the perfect man second only to Jesus.
This general inconsistency and ocasonal propaganda like tone is why Tolkien despised Arthurian myth.
For myself however it doesn't bother me. While you need to take Arthurian legend with a grain of salt, and there are definitely characters that are more dubious than others, for the most part the general outline of what we call Arthurian cannon is fairly clear. Its a blurred outline, but not so blurred that we cant put our finger on it.
Hopefully that makes sense and doesn't just sound like crazy rambling lol.
It's making me cringe every time some people I know make their OCs some omnipotent beings with godlike power, while I've always make mine at least have two or three human weaknesses. I can't stay away from science, after all.
@@GrimgoreIronhide oh yeah Lancelot is French, I always forget he was French.
@@VitchAndVorty well I do something like that but separate character or alternate universe ( one who have many flaw and one almost Mary sue )
Edit: skip this if you don't read my oc thing.
One who have many flaw have godlike power but have weakness like morally complex, alway forgetting something, heroic complex and etc . (Also this oc have godlike power but still think he unworthy)
While nearly so called Mary sue almost no have weakness exculding godlike entity thing.
My boi Proto Arthur showing everyone how fighting is done .
Arthur Goat, he really deserves a lot more spotlight.
The true king
@@CyborgAkuma20022 naw he wack perfect knight galahad can yeet and solo all of them not even spear of longinus and destiny will harm ghalahad blessed by god
Yeah, no need for a magic dixk; he already has one.
Arthur is best
My favorite is mordred she’s just a great character especially in Apocrypha with her realizing what she truly wanted and she just feels more human to me and Camelot adds another layer to it with her not caring that she won’t be accepted into the city but just wanting to be a good knight to the lion king and if we ever get a mordred alter with a full power claret I’m going broke
What would you opinion be about Berserker Mordred though?
Ahh my waifu, the hotheaded girl with attention to give her
@@Kakaragi I’d love it and it makes since she kinda already has some type of madness to her that they could play off and if I’m not mistaken didn’t Semiramis say that she very berserker like anyway so it fits
@@aditghifari5039 same she’s my favorite female servant and in my top 5 favorite servants in general
@@Tkyoking It works thematically too since she did die in a fit of rage wanting to crush Artoria
Unfortunately for Percival, he also lost a deal of his legends to Galahad, whom would later become known as the Knight of the Grail in Percival's place
We come back months later to hear that Percival fought In two to three grail wars. Mans out here fighting grail wars like nothing other than getting it done on a Tuesday Night Shift
Everyone also has to remember, when Bedivere was journeying and doing all these feats in Camelot, he was completely human, and as a servant, he is obviously stronger
Bedivere may have been the lowest rarity of the knights before Gareth.
But he's the strongest in my heart.
Gareth
@@cinna.meo.n Shit. I'm sorry, Gareth.
Funny thing is that Fate actually nerfed Bedivere as he was much stonger in the original and oldest Welsh myths to such a point that he was outright said to be Arthur strongest knight even through he only had one arm.
He even had a magic lance as a weapon that could strike 9 times for even hit he made in his opponents unfortunately it didn't seem to have any fancy name like most of the knights weapons.
This was before Gawain and favourite French Oc insert Lancealot took postion of top knight and he become a more minor character in later myths.
Finally my man Arthur getting the respect he deserves.
Also, we still don't know if Arthur has Avalon, but it's not wrong to assume that he has since the story of both Arthur and Artoria is the same (except the magic dick, gender of the merlin, reason why mordred turn against the king and personality).
He would be fricking OP with full unsealed Excalibur and Avalon.
We can assume he possessed Avalon (or a version of it) at one point, but the difference is the we have absolutely no idea where his version is. He definitely doesn't possess it as a servant, but that's all we know
@@lucaswinsor4469 the point his we still know nothing about his equipment and everything else, we can only make teories for now.
@@lucaswinsor4469 Wasn't it impilled that his version of Avalon might be in Ayaka Sajyou as she had a magical object put into her.
@@lucaswinsor4469 Actually it's very possible he had it upon summon by Manaka or she gave it to him . Her father asked him for something and it was put into Ayaka during Prototype prequel and it was IT that allowed her summoning Arthur.
if he had it it would've been clearly mentioned and ultilized already
Never forget, Bedivere did all of that
*WHILE STILL HUMAN*
Honestly Fate Bedivere is actually nerfed from the myths as he was much stonger there and in the older myths was even called Arthur strongest knight.
Although this was before french OC lancealot was added to the myths
You know, if we're taking into account Servant feats for Arthur, it should be noted that in his first interlude in FGO that he actually took on Arash, Mordred, and Proto-Cu in a 3v1 sparring match and they were barely doing anything to him. Mordred even had to take pride that she managed to hit him once during the whole thing lol.
So Arthur is stronger than Arturia?
@@karuto5849 Originally yes but in FGO he weak and need more buff
@@ryuisvillemaster8076 I mean not in game
@@karuto5849 then YES
@@ihateithere9298 How?
Facts, Arthur has always been goated. He may have gotten shafted in fgo, but mans has always been on sight. I'm really hoping we get a lot more of the prototype verse, it's always been interesting to me.
My favourite is Arthur, he means business and only business in battle even without avalon. And damn Mordred and Arthur got the beat drops
faxx their themes are amazing
Actually, Saber lancelot can still use other weapons as his own. He just... chooses not to. To be fair, arondite is a far better than most anything he can pick up off the ground and it's unbreakable
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Was a Grand Saber ever confirmed in FGO? I've read theories that a version of King Arthur with Avalon would make him a strong candidate for a Grand Servant.
Grand Servants aren't about strength.
@@okita_souji_alter Only Grand Casters need a high level clairvoyance, its different for each grand title.
@saber 1616 if you think about arthur in his true form alive with the core and Avalon plus the seals unleashed he would easily be stronger than most grand servants in fact only people stronger than him would be beasts
@saber 1616 but i think it would be to much if merlin or proto merlin was the grand saber since he's already a grand caster and even his overall power or skills besides clairvoyance are still remain unknown as caster, but if it really is merlin or proto merlin i would not be suprised, but i would like to see if artoria or arthur to be the the grand saber sice artoria had a lot of treasury in camelot like rhongomyniad, prydwen, avalon, etcs even mash shield was made of arthur chair. maybe (just maybe) if artoria or arthur have all the treasury of camelot as a servant would be pretty enough to make her a grand servant to me. i still dont know about castoria since im not there yet in fgo tho, other than that ur theory was really good tho even i would love to see merlin proto to be grand saber lol.
@saber 1616 yes when arthur said he value excalibur more than its sheath merlin scolded him saying "Please make no mistake here. The sword slashes the enemy, but the sheath protects you. As long as you have the sheath on you, you will spill no blood and take no wounds. You should truly value the sheath, not the sword", merlin was training artoria before she pulled the caliburn, but yeah even merlin himself said he prefered wielding sword rather than casting spells since he was so lazy to cast a spell so thats made the point if he might be a really good sword wielder which can made him a saber (grand)class, but seeing 2 same character as a grand servant are not possible for me since every single hero from grand servant are different, as for grand servants theres no way it could be a *4 since the title itself means to protect humanity it will be guaranteed to be a *5. the only possibilities we know is that kawasumi is voicing grand saber. and in fate she only voiced artoria and merlin proto if i remember correctly,
Lancelot. In all the stories he's just the most relatable. His flaws make him more interesting. And that's him from the real lore. Saber Lancelot is my boy and I'm working on grailing him now lol
Grailed saberlot gang rise up
@@retardedweeb7323 I'm half way from 79 to 80. It takes so much exp lol.
from literal lore it's between tristan/lancelot
@@demizerke I don't know all of Tristans lore other than the video tsiah put up
@@13soulsundone96 im going off of like irl books i.e le morte d'arthur (since you mentioned real lore) but im not sure about ingame lore
If we’re bringing up Arthur’s feats, do we also bring up Lucius Tiberius? An Emperor of Rome who wielded a goddess blessed blade, Florent, Hindu Demons feared him, has super-regeneration, he was able to handily defeat both Gawain and Bedivere by himself at the same time and Arthur was able to fight on par with him.
@@nhazulkimonalos9895 I just wonder how he scale to lancelot honestly since he's called sword Emperor
Mordred had the "too angry to die" passive skill, and I agree that her wild fighting style dismissing normal knight swordplay makes her very unpredictable and dangerous; to her, rubbles, environment, everything can be used as a weapon.
She is like a street brawler compared to other knights, and she WONT fight honorably, she'll fight to win.
Mordred is my fav hands down. Her and Achilles were the best characters in Apocrypha IMO
@Alex Brockmann But she’s a lolli with a reveling outfit, automatically moving her way down the list. Record of Ragnarok’s interpretation of Jack the Ripper is much cooler, you should check it out, it’s a good read.
what about karna bro?
@@Thaddyyy Karna got shafted by bad writing, he deserved so much better. I loved him too
@@PokePhan yeah Lmao it sucks he got beaten by plot armor homunculus😂
karma and siegfried got done so dirty ngl and they’re some of my favorites poor sumanai
I'm so sad there isn't an anime with Arthur being the MC hope at least they include him in FGO story for the next beast fight Arthur definitely deserved first place
@@fruktoid6950 Medusa already had all the mana storated with Andromeda tho.
@@tronovonflidder775 in a 1v1 with avalon who would win Arthur or artoria ?
@@tronovonflidder775 shit I meant without lol
@@Comet_373 Arthur more likely. They have similar stats across the board but with different focuses. Artoria has higher Luck and Mana whereas Arthur has higher Strength and Endurance. In fight without Avalon to boost them then I would give it to Arthur simply because he'll likely be able to outlast and out damage Artoria in the long run.
If both had Avalon though then it boils down to who makes the first mistake. Artoria's luck might factor into that but at that point it's up the writer than based on their actual stats.
@@tronovonflidder775 If we're talking about both of them at their peak then Arthur's actually still has the upper hand overall. Under Manaka, he's got Strength (A), Endurance (A+), and Mana (A). If it's a contest to see who can outlast the other then Arthur's far more likely to win cause he has firepower, defense, and stamina down pat. This guy survived losing half his body during the battle with Ozy. That's how far his endurance can go. Even at his worst at E-rank Mana, he puts up a fight that wrecks part of Shinjuku and nearly gets Proto-Gilgamesh killed.
Artoria has equal strength and mana under similar circumstances but her defense is still weaker. So unfortunately I have to pin my chances on Arthur coming out on top.
In an overall fight though it would boil down to who's the more skilled swordsman. I don't see either spamming Excalibur cause collateral damage and all that, not unless it's a fight to the death anyway but like you said they'll just cancel each other out so the point is moot.
Some of the power levels compared between fate and the 'real' round table are pretty interesting. Lancelot was busted as hell in the original lore. Basically could only be beaten in a real fight by Galahad, who had literal CHAD VIRGIN powers. And then Galahad fucked off with the grail and Lancelot continued being an unstoppable monster until everyone else straight up died and he was all that was left. Agravain is implied to be pretty strong in fate, but in the 'real' lore I only remember him ever touching a sword one time, and it was when he tried to attack Lancelot while he was naked, and Lancelot killed him with a chair. Mordred wasn't really that good of a swordsman either. He gained power mainly through politics, and only managed to trade killing blows with Arthur because he was old and barely able to even get up from his desk the night before their final battle. He basically spent his final day depressed, lamenting the fact that his entire life's work had fallen apart around him, and he was going to die alone not able to fix all of the things he could have done better had he been smarter. Then STILL managed to kill Mordred. Gawain I always thought was a more interesting character in original lore. Ended up being the last knight loyal to Arthur, even though he was raised to believe Arthur was his sworn enemy. He took Arthur's ideals to heart and ended up being the true model knight, something even Lancelot failed to do in the end.
A tucking chair?
Agravain should have innocent monster he was once great knight who was never wounded in battle until the rewrite he became a villain
@@durrangodsgrief6503 it's part of why I love aggy so much. Both design AND lore, both in series and irl.
@@castergilgamesh1778 Lancelot killed armored warriors with a stick this doesnt surprise me
Fanfiction.
Seeing Artoria and Lancelot in top 3 was all the joy I needed. Great video, dude
Never in my life I thought I would hear Roundtable lore with a trap beat
If I remember correctly, didn't Arthur also fought the beast VI/666 and defeated beast VI/666 in Fate/Prototype? and then after that it turns out the beast somehow is still alive and now he is hunting for it throughout the multiverse? Then that makes him even more respectable in terms of feat.
Yes, that's literally it. He was doing the job of a Grand Servant
And he fought another aspect of Beast VI in FGO Arcade timeline (with Noah Nemo and Chaldea), this man is packed.
Gawain should be higher. Also, its kinda wack to out Galahad since we are actually yet to kow the true capabilities of Galahad. He should be at least near lancelot.
It was implied Gawain was at the same level as Artoria in Fate/Extra, it was implied with Avalon I think it was due to the sun. I didn't understand have Bevidere Excalibur overpowered Galatine either considering their strength isn't far apart
@@desuwa1994 OH in extra there was no sun at all.
@@nevagongoflawless6340 there is sun. There was a whole bit of story of us trying to beat him by turning off the sun. It's a digital sun but to him it was real. When we beat Leo in the fight it was sunset
@@desuwa1994 I'm gonna check on this not to disregard what you are Saying just to be a 100%
Going from the various stories of Galahad in Arthorian legends, he's the straight up strongest there is. There's even a story about him absentmindedly unseating Lancelot in a impromptu joust on a random road. At that point, I don't think Lancelot had ever been beaten before
I found it funny how in the novel the shockwaves from the clashes between Mordred and Siegfried was shaking the Yggdmillennia castle (that was located *miles away*) to the point where people inside worried it might collapse but then Mo-san herself mentions that Arturia is physically superior to her. Imagine her and Herc swinging at each other without having to worry about their surroundings. Guess HF clash is the closest we'll get to see it in terms of animation.
Keep in mind Mordred reinforced with a Command Spell agaisnt Siegfried. Without that, she would have lost. His advantages over her thanks to her dragon traits would have been too much.
And another thing; Lancelot can use Knight of Owner as a Saber. It's just listed as a Skill in FGO due to how things are set up there, it's still a NP.
EDIT: Like how it devolved into a discussion of Artoria vs Mordred
Also don't forget if we take into account her battle against sieg
It was stated she would lose if sieg had been able to transform again and use all of Siegfried's powers
Siegfried doesn't get enough credit which is sad
@@Nekogami04 trueee
Like most servants were stronger when they were alive(exceptions such as Angra or those that rely on fame like Jason do exist) but Siegfried was just broken in life and was nerfed by being a servant
The whole dragon trait thing is only really a thing in the FGO game and is never mentioned in the game
Also keep in mind that Mordred was fairly injured at the start of her fight with transformed Sieg at it said that the order from the comand seal was too vague, resulting in Mordred only getting boosted back up to her normal, uningured ability. If she had been uningured at the start of the fight, she would have been able to do the same thing without the comand seal.
@@appliepi that is true but that still speaks that Siegfried was just a superior servant to Mordred since she was boosted up to normal and she admitted that sieg would've won if he transformed again and inherited Siegfried's full power
Also, just so you know, Tristan's strongest class is Saber. He's just mostly summoned as an Archer because of Failnaught's legend outshining Curtana's.
I sometimes forgot Curtana even exist. I know about it from Toaru in the first place.
@@adamharith782that's nonsensical since Cortana was out here slaying dragons and hes known as a warrior able to fight evenly with lancelot
But hey, Galahad's shield blocked the Humanity Incineration beam so I'll petition to put him at number 1
He has the highest durability
@@tronovonflidder775 Lancelot is the most skilled swordsman of his era, but perhaps Galahad is still a better overall fighter. We saw his h2h skills in Moonlight and plus, he can fight with the Round Table as a shielder.
There was something about Willpower that strengthened Lord Camelot that allowed it to block Ars Nova
@@desuwa1994 Willpower and conviction, bonus against evil. Goetia, despite wanting only the best in the end, is ludicrously evil in his actions, as is the attack he shoots at Mash. Protecting you, protecting humanity, blocking an attack it's got advantage over all let the shield survive
So no one talking about the beat switch at 8:40? Shit was disgusting, great video dawg
If you're referring to the fight that Galahad had against Lancelot, he was barely fighting back and even after he "lost", he didn't even seem to be hurt.
I believe he was referring to the actual legend of King Arthur and not the singularity. Galahad did defeat Lancelot in a one-on-one duel and it earned him a spot on the round table.
The fight you are talking about was Mash vs Lanceelot whitch tells us nothing about Galahad abilities or skills as he is stonger then her so no use trying to scale him from that.
@@The_Wolf_At_Your_Door Again?
With how often Fate strays from Myths, he shouldn't be counting that.
This video was awesome. You should do top 10 strongest servants in each class
Also, Arthur claps cheeks. That man shows up and is all business.
I'm happy Arthur got some love, he's my fav knight
Please do more ranking content like this. It is very good.
They murdered my boy Gawain in the Camelot movies also great video I am glad to have met someone who has actually read the character materials as a lot of stuff regarding skills and states usually are spread through a biased game of Chinese whisper were it turns out that the guy who started it just made random stuff up along the way and stated it as 'translation' from the character material books
The beast slayer is not to be underestimated
Proto-Arthur runs the block
Its revealed in FGO that gawain is stronger then mordred even at night
So Gawain doesn't need buffs from the sun to beat her
1:27 and being absolutely adorable :3
"He is your worst nightmare if you went into Camelot without an Archer."
As someone that's still stuck in Camelot . . . Yes.
slept on channel
Wonder how this list would change if Bors, Palamedes, Gaheris and Kay were released as Servants.
kay and gaheris are weak in comparison, bors and palomides would probably be lower/mid? someone like lamorak would be top tier
What about Merlin? People tend to forget that he's a member of the table too
@@vanquisher4700 Gee, I wonder where the Grand Caster would be placed in terms of power
@@BoopaKing Well, the extent of Merlin's magic is rather unknown, we don't really know what he can or can't do, the game won't really tell us, the anime won't really tell us either, we know he is a mage of flowers, he can summon and use Excalibur, can create illusions and use offensive magecraft like mana bursts beams and orbs.
Weren't they killed off by the others for rebelling against Arthuria? Although they said the same about Percival and there he is, so idk
Lancelots greatest failing in fate zero... Is his master. He wasn't operating at peak power and he couldn't remain active for long. In fact he died as his master did. Meaning he ran out of mana and was no longer supplied with enough power to fight artoria.
Excalibur was forged to destroy Sefar/Velber 02, who shitted on all the gods that were on Earth in 12.000 b.c. (the only other character/thing that was able to defeat Sefar, was Zeus fused with all the other machine gods of olympus, in the lostbelt 5 version of history). So yes, Excalibur is the goat
“No other servant with that level of endurance”
Ganesha and Lakshmibai: are we a joke to you
A point to note on mordred, the strike that took down arthur was a curse by morgan that made mordred stab artoria after mordred died
@@Pridam
in either case arturia clapped mordred and it was morgan that dealt the finishing blow on arturia through the curse.
in a 1v1 with no gimmicks or curses mordred doesnt stand a chance which is pretty much lore accurate.
@@Pridam
yea shes unreasonably overhyped by her appearence in the apocrypha anime which already botched the source material.
shes maybe on par with percival and other mid ranking knights but cant stand up to any of the top members.
gareth can put up a decent fight against her and shes the second lowest rank among the knights after bedivere.
@@Pridam
gareth is a bit of a mixed bag.
on one hand she can fight decently well against other knights ranking higher than herself and on the other hand she got her head smashed in with one hit by a raging lancelot (without having her armor or weapon on her but still) and got insta killed by lion king. (befor chaldea got summoned to the camelot singularity)
bedivere is supposed to be the weakest of the knights but with just his experience he can go against opponents far stronger than himself.
and mordred while being strong has nothing realy going for her.
the weaker knights can stand up to her and the stronger ones outclass her even tho shes an artoria clone with similar mana capacity and physical capabilities.
Agree.
Reason why Arthur is scary to fight against is that he's got much more of a soldier attitude rather than a chivalrous attitude.
Stil a fully fledged Knight, mind you. Just fights to kill every time, and rarely if ever pulls punches considering collateral.
For me, my favorite knight, and Servant has, and always will be Lancelot. It could be how he was portrayed in F/Z, his abilities, his badass appearance, his backstory, or all of the above. But when he first stepped on the field for the first time, and started putting GILGAMESH on the back foot, in such a badass way, I was in love. Add in Knight of Honor, For Someone Else’s Glory, and Arondight, and you have a beast of a character.
I summoned Proto Arthur on my third day playing FGO. He was my first 5-star servant and just having him allowed me to sweep the singularities clean especially when I maxed his level and stats. I was unstoppable which is why he's still in my starting lineup to this day.
Galahad's feat of acquiring the grail was not a show of strength but of purity and humility.
As a Mordred fangirl, I will point out that during her fight with Bedivere she never actually used Mana Burst until she let out CBA. Which is a very notable exclusion.
Bedi also have bullshit plot armour cause that singularity is his moment to shine, ain't no way normal human mind can survive 1500 years journey.
I feel like Percy is a lot stronger since he:
A. Is the OG Grail-knight and being Galahad's predecessor isn't something to sneeze at
B. Wields Longinus, the lance that pierced Christ, albeit in a restricted state
C. He's a buff Bro
That being said I don't really see him above Bedivere and we know so little about Agravain's strength I wouldn't know where you could put him
If im not mistaken Percy is not the actual heroic spirit we know and his lance is not actually longinus is the lance of selection.
@@juanaparicio3116 i believe the Percy we get to summon is the PHH version, not the lostbelt version. same thing with Gareth.
@@gypsysprite4824 yes. The lostbelt version was just an ordinary human kid who died after one use of Longinus: Count ZERO. He had black and white hair. The one we get is the real Percy. Melusine confirms that in her my room dialogue for him
Percival is a strange hero because he's appeared in more stories than any other but you don't hear much of him in modern days. I believe he's even on the journey where Gallahad finds the grail.
Glad that Arthur is #1 in this list, no wonder he is called The First, also The First Saber, going as far as fighting a beast (beast VI) even though he might not be a grand servant. He is my favorite servant and I was soo happy when I got him.
Bedi is the best companion
And he's my fav knight
In some of the older Welsh myths he was actually Arthur strongest knight and even had a magic spear he carried into battle.
It's really odd that Fate nerfed him to such a level that he apparently isn't normal worthy of being a heroic spirt.
No one shall know the truth
Behind that faithful day
Artorigus went forth
To where the brilliant sword displayed
Twis the first of many feats
So great
Artorigus, we sing of him
The noble and the brave
-Two tales of the noble knights
Still one of my favorite decks even if it's not very good
As far as I know, proto Arthur also specializes on fighting large enemies and these enemies are dangerous in its own right. That makes me believe Arthur is stronger than artoria
Loved the video! Maybe we could get a video on Arthur from the Proto Verse someday? That would amazing!
We also have some knowledge of Sir Kay as well but its probably not enough to know how strong he is exactly, but he might be somewhere in the lower half of the table
-He is weaker at pure sword fighting then Artoria but is not stated by how much
-He has beat giants which has been mentioned in both Bedivere's interlude and the Garden of Avalon novel
-He is said to be the best swimmer of anyone in the round table which might be referring to a very old and obscure legend about being able to go nine days and nine nights without the need to breathe or to sleep,
-He was in charge of the rear guard as well as the overall logistics during campaigns and maybe in general
We even have a clue to his Noble Phantasm. In case files he has one called "Camelot Image: Fleeting Forgotten Castle" and from some jp wikis it seems to be a weaker version of Galahads Lord Camelot but with the ability to reflect any attack that destroys it (but its also described as a "Virtual Noble Phantasm" so if he ever shows up in the game it'll probably be different)
Man, before I clicked this video I definitely expected chaos. And it is. Tsiah my homie, hope you aren't getting some headaches lol.
It's really going smoother than I thought. These types of videos tend to get pretty hectic.
So a long time ago my mom told me I was named after the knight of the round table Tristan and while researching this was one of the 1st results. I'm not even into fate(mainly because I don't know where to start) but it still makes me happy that he is a badass apparently.
I have a lore about him on my channel. It's not what you think
you’re named after a goat congratulations
@@actuallymerlin actually I've gone through character development. My mom told be about a year ago that it was actually my brother who named me, and he named me after a Yu-Gi-Oh character lol
@@ThatChristianMetaIhead named after a even bigger goat then
@@ThatChristianMetaIhead also if i had a nickel for every person i’ve met that’s been named after a yu gi oh character i would have 4 nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened
Good to see my boi Tristan getting some recognition
Proto Arthur also has that stylish outfit in FGO. I grailed him to 100. He carried me through my journey.
I'm not gonna lie. I only subscribed not just because you make some interesting videos. But also because I'm fascinated by the way you talk. lol
Yessir finally a video where my boi Lancelot gets the respect he deserves you love to see it
@@tronovonflidder775 ????? He literally said that the only reason why Lancelot lost was because of Narrarive and because he "wanted to be punished". Yeah, its still bs but it doesn't negate everything he said about him. He was literally said Lancelot was giving Artoria a bad time and that had better skills than her and that Artoria's only had Excalibur in her favor.
@@tronovonflidder775 Thats...That's what I said.
Yes, I know his reasoning is bs I know the real reason why Lancelot lost was due to the lack of mana. I know that Excalibur doesn't grant saber any kind of boost.
Let me backpedal ok? Maybe I wasn't clear enough before, sorry. When I said his reasoning was "bs" I meant that it wasn't the real reason why he lost. But said reasoning doesn't hype up Artoeia either.
And, idk, I don't feel he hyped up Artoria there, he already put Artoria below and hyped Lancelot up against Gilgamesh, it just doesn't sound like me that he was suggesting Artoria to be higher, but that he was basically saying "yeah, I said good things about 3rd place, now check out 2nd place who is already superior than 3rd place"
In the matter of Artoria/Arthur, I disagree with you, but that isn't the point of our comments on the matter of Lancelot "being respected" here.
Watching this and looking at how Agravain was shown in the camelot movie it's a sea of difference, from scary npc to terrifying mass of destruction and shadow soldiers agravain gained my respect in the movie
Kickass skill with kickass design, we love to see it
Something that should be considered is how animated format may not translate properly from what was intended and may just appear some way just for the sake of it. Such as Galahad fighting Artoria Alter and winning. Then there is how context will be given to and after something happens, such as when Mashu beat Lancelot in Camelot for Xuanzang after to say he held back.
Well, yeah we never count the anime FIRST, that goes without saying. Galahad has such little showcase on his own tidbits like that are necessary. Him beating Salter isn't much of a reach anyway.
Thanks for this video.
Putting Artoria below Lancelot is common sense, But Gawain is too low, not for thing Lancelot and Gawain are meant to be equals.
Also, actual Siegfried (not Sieg) wouls easily defeat Mordred and Artoria.
Great video, personally I’d have some placement changes on the list but overall great job.
Mordred is my favorite but isn't her swords power not as strong as it could be because she stole it instead of rightfully inheriting it?
She only had that sword once during the rebellion naturally she was rejected the inheretance by Arthur anyway so she had no chance regardless.
Yes it’s way weaker than it should be that’s why she has to fuel her Noble Phantasm with her hatred for her father
Well the sword itself isn't meant to be a weapon, it's largely ceremonial in the path to ascending the throne, but yes. Her forcefully taking it when she wasn't worthy/right puts it an entire rank lower than what it should be.
Agravain is my fav due to his IRL original mythos, especially the earlier ones! Plus he looks cool and his skills seem awesome
Lancelot will always be my favorite. The existence of his saber ver is his sumbol of redemption, while his zerk version is his way admiting his own sin. Not to mention he only KoTR who choose to oppose Lion Ling in Camelot singularity.
@@joshlariviere152 Isnt galahad refused before pre camelot singularity story? and yeah, I should mention "the only knight who opposed Lion King, not including pre-camelot KoTR."
You should do argonauts weakest to strongest
KING ARTHUR IS THE GOAT
What is the game at minute 16:57???
Please if anybody knows I would love to play it
@@roxas13keyblade65
Fate/Grand Order. The arcade version.
This boy King Arthur is actually out here. If only he was better in fgo
his skills are pretty good. all he's lacking is np upgrade
My biggest favorite, has always been Lancelot, I was so happy when I got him on both forms on my fgo account
I've always liked Proto-Arthur's design since that old trailer with Shy looking waifu. I adore Saber but I'd kill for a grail war with those two directed by the same guy that did Fate:Zero.
I will admit I am a bit biased towards Mordred because she's my favorite anime character, but still. A lot of people bring up the fact that Kairi uses command seals in pivotal points to boost Mordred and use that against her. But his command seal uses are some of the best we've seen in the franchise. And everybody have access to them so it's not like it's unfair, and honestly nothing in a grail war is unfair. People often also bring up the use of drugs in her fight with Semiramis, but Mordred was already at a severe disadvantage in that fight and the fact they made it even was insane.
I haven't read the novels, but I've heard that the reasons Mordred was able to go toe toe against Sieg, and able to survive Fran's np was because of her master's command seals
One to empower her vs Sieg
And another to teleport her or boost her magic resistance against Fran's explosion.
Are those true claims, or just people making things up?
It’s true in the anime, however I also didn’t read the novels. But during the fight with Fran, Caules commented on how stupid he felt after forgetting the opposing master could use command seals as well. Her armor was destroyed but the mana from the command seal improved her resistance to Fran’s NP.
And with the fight with Sieg, Mordred asked her master to use another command seal so she could continue fighting.
@@xnelson117 i would say she would get stomped if the actual Siegfried fought her
@@tronovonflidder775 you are talking a lot of shit here . No offense intended mind you. You should make the difference between fgo gameplay and the actual lore.
What do you mean Siegfried is niche ? He isn't. He literally hit everything hard and hit dragon even harder.
@@hashimalz nah bro
@@tronovonflidder775 how is mordred better than Siegfried when she barely could contend with sieg who is a noob with zero fighting experience ?
Siegfried and karna fought for hours without a victor cause they were equals.
I believe is fate extra Gawain under the sun is said to be karna equal.
Mordred herself said she can't beat Gawain at night let alone under the sun.
Also I want to point out the anime representation of Mordred fight against sieg and frankenstein is BS.
In the anime when frankenstein used blasted tree it look like mordred just tanked it and survive. That is wrong Sisigou,mordred master used a command spell to teleport her away. Without that she would have died. However If Siegfried was on mordred position he wouldn't take a single amount of damage from frankenstein noble phantasm.
When mordred went against sieg transformed she needed a command spell from her master to help her focus on the fight and be at her best. Regardless she was unable to do anything against Sieg who I want to emphasize is just a noob . Later they both used their nobles Phantasms. Somehow mordred survived the explosion that resulted from it by pure luck but was completely wasted with her armor gone. Mordred herself noted that If sieg was just a step closer she would have died . Sieg however who was still transformed suffered no damages from the explosion from their nobles Phantasms.
In the anime they managed to screw that one by forgetting Siegfried is immune to anything that is B-rank and below. Even A-rank just become E-rank meaning mordred noble phantasm would have done nothing to sieg.
So do you understand how much you overestimate mordred capability ?
4:39
Ganesha: Hold my videogames and thousands of years in a cube
You should have made it more clear that basically as soon as you get to Agravain you are already at servant's who are more powerful than 90% of the entire servant universe. I would have put Galahad a but higher though since he hasn't been shown as full power and yet Mash could still stop Solomon's attack, and she is only using a part of that power.
Dude, i think that people usually forget that Artoria is actually a monster of a servant, i mean:
1-She is naturally inmune to magic bellow A rank, what is nothing less that magic at the level of the age of the gods. Practically 80% of the casters can even harm her.
2-She wasn't even a normal servant in the events of the series, she was copied-pasted from that point of history previous of her dead, what means that she was not sumoned at her peak like every other servant, that's why she doesn't have avalon during the series or why she can't go in spirit form like the others. And thats why she always returned to that moment on the hill after each holy grial war (those who have readed the VN might know, but those who doesn't probably dont)
3-In most of her fights she is restricted to don't use her NP because the war must keep being a secret thing, and let's remember, the AoE of Excaliburn pretty damn huge, it's not an option nearly never when the war take place in the middle of a populated city.
4-She can heal herself, dude, who can tell me how many other servants can do that half good as she does? and let's be clear, majority of the are casters.
5-This maybe sounds funny to FGO players, but Instint is a pretty broken skill, and in conjuction whit her A rank luck allows her to dodge even Gae Bolg and survive most of the hardest oponents like the Rejend, the swallow slayer, the savior of France Koujiro.
6-Whit Avalon in her possesion (what must be the case if she is summoned as a complete servant), she can regenerate instantly any type of wound, and still have more that enougth mana to Spam a full potential Excaliburn at least 7 times in a row (like vs Gilgamesh in the end of her route in the VN)
As a complete servant she's a complete monster, but even in the state she was during the series she was strong enough to reach the end in both wars.
Artoria is fodder in her own verse.
And Gawain and Lancelot still are stated to be on par with her at least or straight up superior than her at best.
Bedivere. He’s still my go to single target saber
Yes, My King.
15:27 I always assumed that Artoria won because Berserker's master died, depriving him of mana and severely weakening him while Artoria was still fighting at full strength.
Artoria was not at full strenght.
Kiritsugu isnt really a good magus like Rin, he is mostly '' average'' like Kirei and also had bad compatibility with Saber which resulted in nerfing her a little in stats... but at least its way better than Shirou or Shinji as a master.
@@Azel90w Honestly they say Saber is weaker under Kiritsugu compared to Rin but I dont really see a difference. Hell in some cases I think Saber under Kiritsugu is better. Saber (Kiritsugu) has a D in luck which is a big rank down but has A in both Endurance and Speed while a B in Strength. Saber (Rin) has A in Strength but B in both Endurance and Speed, but has an A+ in Luck. Overall I think it balances out.
Tbh you right about arthur. Grand saber himself. Ngl id love to see him and the first hassan scrap.
Wasn't Kojiro's swordsmanship better? It was stated even in the anime. Of course, she jobbed by not using excalibur or something, but thats most on her end, a fatal weakness. Also, Kojiro wasnt all in on the first fight.
That's not a weakness of her. She can't use Excalibur carelessly cause Shirou is incapable of providing mana, so she has to contain her output, since she can stay in this world only relying on her own mana reserve.
kojiro is probably the best swordsman in the entirety of the nasuverse probably only being tied with musashi
I’m amazed you didn’t mention Galahad alter from requiem
Don't care, Mordred always gonna be best knight for me
Let’s be honest, fully unsealed Arthur could probably square up to chaos, and destroy anyone else
It's strange for Perceval is Always stated as one of the Strongest Knight and in the most famous book about him he beat Kay in one single hit
15:43 dawg the fucking music too is wilding rn 😭
The Round Table’s power rankings is the hardest thing to gauge because they are a bunch of tales of writers all trying to one-up one another with their own Gary Stu that is the super duper ultra Knight.
Amongst the Fate universe itself Artoria and Arthur self-gimp themselves by sealing their super-weapons and we never really know their raw skill level because they are very into self-deprecation (thus will always claim others are stronger). We do know at the end of the civil war Mordred was capable of annihilating most of Arthur’s forces alone but only because of Morgan’s curse. Agravain’s is strong but the guy is mostly into cunning tactics hence why it was very in-character of him to basically cheat his way to kill Lancelot.
Lancelot and Gawain are equals mostly and were pitted as foils in many Arthurian tales, with their only true fight in Camlann ending in a tie.
Also I do think you are underselling Percival since the man had the inner will to obtain the Lance of Longinus, at the same time Galahad (Arthurian lore’s true Gary Stu) obtained the Grail. I would say he is above Agravain.
I am wondering where the other Knights would rank since there are a few yet unknown seats which were the absolutely strongest knights in the Pre-Lancelot stories.
Didnt morderd kill artoria and maybe arthur? Idk about him while artoria was wielding fucking rhongomyniad, the lanca more overpowerd than excalibur and possibly avalon
@@heliosjollywolf9552 He was wielding a sword cursed by Morgan to murder Artoria (or Arthur in Proto’s case). That is why Mordred’s NP carries a conceptual strenght over Artoria and Arthur (even in FGO). However the actual death itself was not caused by Mordred, who was already dead as she was stabbed fatally by Rhongomyniad, but by the curse itself.
In fact, in Apocrypha’s novel it is stated clearly that she fell from her wound, and in grief attempted to caress Artoria’s face before death but lost consciousness beforehand. But as she fell her sword hand swung down due to the curse, catching Artoria by surprise and giving her the fatal wound.
@@lenleon3699 my point was that if she could stad arthur/arthoria when they wield rhongomyniad, their strongest weapon, she could easily beat them if they were using excalibur, also if you apply poison to your blade and your enemy dies from the poison you still killed em
@@heliosjollywolf9552 You do realize what I explained right? A frigging corpse magically moved it’s hand to stab her. Basically Morgan killed her, not Mordred.
My Favorite is Artoria because you mentioned only her Saber Form but not her Lancer Form who did a kill shot on Gawain but because he didn’t die she didn’t perceive to kill him
Also, Arthur has the Stronger Excalibur. At best, Artoria's Excalibur is Anti-Army/Anti-Fortress. Arthur's is Anti-world (if he fights the likes of 666). Also, why skip on the other version of Fate/Prototype? Where he managed to defeat Proto Gilgamesh.
@@tronovonflidder775 for the Gil argument, yes, Gilgamesh is stronger than Prototype Gil, but almost mainly because of the lack of Ea on the latter. Although he might not have Ea, Prototype Gil seems to have better speed and skill(especially with Enki) compared to Gil, with Bab-Ilu(his Gate of Babylon) being better used in high speed battles compared to Gil's GoB, even defeating Herc(Yeah, Fate Gil also defeated Herc, but it still a great feat when Prototype Gil is much more focused on close ranged combat compared to Gilgamesh) As for the two Excaliburs, Excalibur did defeat the White Titan that kills Gods and was almost going to destroy the world, it was still weaker than Ea which clashed with it, where Gil held back before he unleashed it's full power, which was negated by Avalon, not Excalibur. Ea's attack power is based on twenty times Gil's strength and the number of treasure he collected, while massive, isn't strong enough to be Anti-World(that is Ea's conceptual nature that sees the Truth that makes it an Anti-World NP, not it's power), while Prototype Excalibur was able to overpower a NP who's power is Anti-World level in the form of Enki's Flood.
@@tronovonflidder775 Gil's Ea can't destroy the world with sheer power alone, that where it's conceptual nature of Truth comes in(that's why it was countered by Enkidu's own Enuma Elish, which was based on conceptual creation opposed to Gil's conceptual destruction). Its conceptual nature would bring the earth to it's Truth and origin, the Genesis(essentially, the world when it was still a big ass circle of lava and rock).
Prototype Gil basically defeated Arthur in CqC, only to be defeated when Arthur used Excalibur (but he also did survive the blast). What's great about his win against Herc compared to Gil is that he took him down with CqC aswell(also, slight advantage with his other NP, which makes him the ultimate survivor, but Herc has Godhand and his other NP that guarantees Victory, which Gil was able to overcome without using the Flood), so it's not farfetch that Proto Gil can defeat Artoria.
As for the Excaliburs, while, yes, less seals were used on her part during the fight between Gil and her, it's still stated that Ea(only sheer power) surpasses Excalibur and always has been stated to be Anti-Army, Anti-Fortress at best, never above, even when it used to kill Sefar, while Prototype Excalibur's maximum potential is said to be Anti-World (even has the Ex status compared to Artoria's A++). Hell, even 666 has Nega Messiah, which is said to be the same as Taimat's Nega Genesis, which give resistance to NPs(literally was needed to be removed so Ea can finish Taimat off), even with that, Arthur was able to injure it enough using only 6 seals to split it into two and retreat. Arthur, alone, was sent to destroy 666, a BEAST, who are usually tackled by 7 Grand Servants.
@@tronovonflidder775 hm, I can agree with you on the Excaliburs. We will just wait for any potential feats in the future to be fully sure about it.
While not saying Artoria would be destroyed by Prototype Gil, this is still Gil, only without Ea but bloodlusted and more CqC focused. He is famously known to counter other Servants, afterall(as seen as to what happened with Herc and Arthur), so it's not out of the realm of possibility that she would lose to Prototype Gil, especially if he would send out Dragon slaying weaponry or Clarent for conceptual advantage.
@@tronovonflidder775 you know, this has been a great Convo. Good argument.
looking at their parameters and skills, both based on Ritsuka being their master (type moon wiki goo brrr)
Artoria's main advantages are in her magic core (and with it A rank mana) and her A+ Luck along with actually having an avalon if she has the opprotuniy to get it.
While Arthur has better raw Strength (A rank to artoria's B rank) and endurance (A+) along with stomping big bois and
I get the feeling that the two excaliburs themselves are literally the same, Arthur just is stuck with an easier time actually bringing out the full power thanks to the difference in how it's power is sealed. but at the same time that sword has gone through so many retcons that at this point i might be best to not factor it in
Ngl proto Arthur got me feeling things I shouldn’t be feeling
to me bedivere was a gold coin among platinum coins better than normal knight but weak against the Demi god like upper knights of the round
edit: also Gawain may possess the belt of the green knight what abilities do you think it would have if they ever use it