Andy great video again. Since it is winter time there, why are you applying the windshield reflector. Leave the windshield free to get free heat from the sun to hest up the interior. Nice to have 25'C in winter. In our winters in Canada as you should now know -20' - 30'C is the norm. Enjoy your warm winters there my friend.
One reason we moved here ;) Yeah, I know how -30 feel like ;) It gets far too hot in Winter inside the car without the shield. I also try to protect the dash from the sunlight.
Rather than bringing down your voltage on a good battery why not use another battery possibly a deep cycle that would not be damaged with lower voltage but have the same effect
@@shaqalabridal6270 It won't harm the battery. it's only for a few minutes and does not do any damage. Would be different if goes all the way to 0V for an extended time. 8V is totally fine.
Secular 5% is the 2Ah between 40Ah and 38Ah. It's the "delivery buffer" default, which gets reset to 5.00% during "Control Information Reset" (one of the two BMU reset functions). This 5% default is baked into the BMU firmware (and/or MUT) similarly as the 60 day starting battery age.
Interestingly during the "Manual BMU data write" procedure (used when replacing a BMU while keeping the drive battery) only the ODO kms and battery age are allowed to be written (or restored from a previously saved file), not the Secular and Cycle degradation value.
I believe in your case you got 40Ah because they ran a DBCAM on the new battery which overrode the default sec deterioration value. I've observed this behavior before. Also to clarify my earlier comment, the "ODO kms" aka "Distance traveled" actually gets written into data list item 397 Charge&discharge integrated current, which makes sense as the BMU cares about the cycle count, not kms. The label and documentation are wrong.
Correction/clarification after I checked some data: DBCAM doesn't overWRITE the secular deterioration item 398. However the BMU Manual Write procedure writes 0% in these two fields. It's possible that the dealer did that to your car. Also if you do only the "Batt capa estimated info" reset, 40Ah SOH is shown in Dog etc. The 398 and 399 values rewritten 5% and 0% for secular and cycle. So it's possible to have 40Ah and 5% secular. The magic happens when the "Control information reset” procedure is carried out, which appears to "apply" the sec det value to the SOH. And that same magic/apply/controlinforeset seems to be happening when people turn on the car for the first time after Dublindqvist and it goes from 40soh to the "normalised" 38soh.
I voted, very nice art work, quite impressed with the all of the art on there website to tell you the truth. Keep up the good work I'm more interested in an Outlander now
Andy, good video m8, had me in fits of laughter more than once 🤣👍 Nice to be kept up to date with what's happening with the degradation, Im still more than happy with my Phev, bought used from a dealer with 91.800 ish miles (
Nice try there, with the warranty excuse! If the dealer would be able to detect a reset, you can always claim you forgot the lights on while parking the car overnight and depleted the 12V battery. It happens all the time! Anyway, it looks like my idea of buying a 2nd hand PHEV is back on track. Thanks
Does this also reset the Battery Age (birthday cake on PHEV Watchdog)??? Can you tell if this has been done by looking at the battery age and seeing if it doesn’t match the date of manufacture of the vehicle? What about the number of Ah used and number of cycles, etc for the lifetime of the traction battery? Is it all reset to 0, as if a brand new battery?
I tried the Lindqvist Method but nothing changed, I tried the Dublin method, that changed the distance from 14 miles to 22 miles. Only problem is, I depleted the battery as described and followed the instructions. The only thing thats happen is I get a whole load of faults on the dash, abs RBS asc ev system service required. I have tried to erase the codes using a code reader but half a mile down the road, the faults all return, I then read it could be a faulty aux battery, so bought a new one for the pretty price of £180, No change, still all the same faults.. really wish I had left it alone. By the way my main battery is 57.8% SOC 2014 Outlander GX 4HS
Im still holding out on trying the Dublin..dealer complaint should come first for my newer car, and I might also be doing a long roadtrip soon in a short period of time with no charging. 4,400km over 1 week. will be interested to observe degradation in that period. i should see much fewer degradation steps over this journey if the bmu formulas hold true. (time and charge/discharge) Andy, I wonder if one can deactivate the AYC (active yaw control) via the MUT? This might also solve the diagonal traction issues with 4WD lock when tackling off-road trails..
As long as you don't suffer from a significant drop in EV range I would keep it real. No YAW deactivation through MUT as it is an active safety feature. The AYC should deliver the torque to the wheels which have good grip. But it totally fails in doing that. This is the second major fault with the PHEV not many people know about. I got stuck 4 times and needed towing. Every other normal car (not 4WD) had no problem with that.
@@unpluggedEV I always look your videos and also voted the Art. 8 Weeks Model S ~ 6240km and ~1100kWh for free (not SuperCharger) and 17,6kWh/100km (176Wh/km). The difference is unbelievable 412km (72,5kWh / 17,6kWh = ~412km) range vs 42km in the PHEV. ~4 hours of Charging with 17kW * 4 = 68kWh vs ~3 hours charging with 3,3kW * 3 = 9,9kWh. I'm totally relaxed when I have 30%SoC ~120km and try to charge in the next 24 hours. But most of the time I'm between 50% and 80% SoC and use the charging stations I found/ know when they are free. That was with the PHEV not possible because after 40km the battery was empty. Tesla Model S is a real game changer. I realized that 10% SoC of the Tesla Model S is about the same as 100% SoC of the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV but I never risk to get below 10%SoC 😂🤣😂 With the PHEV I drove with this ~10% a lot of EV km but now it's the comfort buffer 😂🤣😂
I am picking up a brand new 2019 0utlander PHEV in a few days. Is there anything I should ask the dealership to do address this issue before they hand over the car to me?
Hi Andy. I bought 2017 outlander 5Hs PHEV. It’s show me 30-33 km range. I think it’s to low. Any recommendations how to increase the battery capacity? Thanks
Andy, I think the BMU is counting days instead of weeks in its secular deteriation routine. In 10 years you'll be getting 7 batteries. Your drop in 4 months should have taken 2 1/2 years remember?
How many different models of full electric vehicles and PHEV vehicles are available in Australia to choose from ? Are there any BEV importers with inventory ?
It's not just the electricity, don't forget they are actors starring in your films. I agree $10 would be a more appropriate compensation, maybe $5 :) Not sure the media exposure gets them to sell many more stones...
Andy great video again.
Since it is winter time there, why are you applying the windshield reflector.
Leave the windshield free to get free heat from the sun to hest up the interior.
Nice to have 25'C in winter. In our winters in Canada as you should now know -20' - 30'C is the norm.
Enjoy your warm winters there my friend.
One reason we moved here ;) Yeah, I know how -30 feel like ;)
It gets far too hot in Winter inside the car without the shield. I also try to protect the dash from the sunlight.
Rather than bringing down your voltage on a good battery why not use another battery possibly a deep cycle that would not be damaged with lower voltage but have the same effect
@@shaqalabridal6270 Several are trying out cheap motorcycle batteries for this purpose. Small and they quickly get below 8V...
@@shaqalabridal6270 It won't harm the battery. it's only for a few minutes and does not do any damage. Would be different if goes all the way to 0V for an extended time. 8V is totally fine.
Do we know if mitsubishi is working on any solution for this software problem
Secular 5% is the 2Ah between 40Ah and 38Ah. It's the "delivery buffer" default, which gets reset to 5.00% during "Control Information Reset" (one of the two BMU reset functions). This 5% default is baked into the BMU firmware (and/or MUT) similarly as the 60 day starting battery age.
Interestingly during the "Manual BMU data write" procedure (used when replacing a BMU while keeping the drive battery) only the ODO kms and battery age are allowed to be written (or restored from a previously saved file), not the Secular and Cycle degradation value.
PS. Just call it Dublindqvist and be done with it :)
No, that's not correct. I had 40Ah with 5% sd and fast dropping SoH. If the sd would be 0% it would have been fine. Just a guess.
I believe in your case you got 40Ah because they ran a DBCAM on the new battery which overrode the default sec deterioration value.
I've observed this behavior before.
Also to clarify my earlier comment, the "ODO kms" aka "Distance traveled" actually gets written into data list item 397 Charge&discharge integrated current, which makes sense as the BMU cares about the cycle count, not kms. The label and documentation are wrong.
Correction/clarification after I checked some data: DBCAM doesn't overWRITE the secular deterioration item 398.
However the BMU Manual Write procedure writes 0% in these two fields. It's possible that the dealer did that to your car.
Also if you do only the "Batt capa estimated info" reset, 40Ah SOH is shown in Dog etc. The 398 and 399 values rewritten 5% and 0% for secular and cycle.
So it's possible to have 40Ah and 5% secular. The magic happens when the "Control information reset” procedure is carried out, which appears to "apply" the sec det value to the SOH.
And that same magic/apply/controlinforeset seems to be happening when people turn on the car for the first time after Dublindqvist and it goes from 40soh to the "normalised" 38soh.
I voted, very nice art work, quite impressed with the all of the art on there website to tell you the truth. Keep up the good work I'm more interested in an Outlander now
Thanks Newton, much appreciated!
Are there any plug in devices out there to do it yet? I reset mine by depleting the battery.
Could a variable resistor be used or has anyone come up with an obd device?
Andy, good video m8, had me in fits of laughter more than once 🤣👍
Nice to be kept up to date with what's happening with the degradation, Im still more than happy with my Phev, bought used from a dealer with 91.800 ish miles (
Nice try there, with the warranty excuse! If the dealer would be able to detect a reset, you can always claim you forgot the lights on while parking the car overnight and depleted the 12V battery. It happens all the time!
Anyway, it looks like my idea of buying a 2nd hand PHEV is back on track. Thanks
Does this also reset the Battery Age (birthday cake on PHEV Watchdog)???
Can you tell if this has been done by looking at the battery age and seeing if it doesn’t match the date of manufacture of the vehicle?
What about the number of Ah used and number of cycles, etc for the lifetime of the traction battery? Is it all reset to 0, as if a brand new battery?
I tried the Lindqvist Method but nothing changed, I tried the Dublin method, that changed the distance from 14 miles to 22 miles. Only problem is, I depleted the battery as described and followed the instructions. The only thing thats happen is I get a whole load of faults on the dash, abs RBS asc ev system service required. I have tried to erase the codes using a code reader but half a mile down the road, the faults all return, I then read it could be a faulty aux battery, so bought a new one for the pretty price of £180, No change, still all the same faults.. really wish I had left it alone. By the way my main battery is 57.8% SOC 2014 Outlander GX 4HS
Im still holding out on trying the Dublin..dealer complaint should come first for my newer car, and
I might also be doing a long roadtrip soon in a short period of time with no charging. 4,400km over 1 week. will be interested to observe degradation in that period. i should see much fewer degradation steps over this journey if the bmu formulas hold true. (time and charge/discharge)
Andy, I wonder if one can deactivate the AYC (active yaw control) via the MUT? This might also solve the diagonal traction issues with 4WD lock when tackling off-road trails..
As long as you don't suffer from a significant drop in EV range I would keep it real.
No YAW deactivation through MUT as it is an active safety feature.
The AYC should deliver the torque to the wheels which have good grip. But it totally fails in doing that. This is the second major fault with the PHEV not many people know about. I got stuck 4 times and needed towing. Every other normal car (not 4WD) had no problem with that.
@@unpluggedEV thanks..yep i thought wishful thinking on the mut. wow 4 times towed eh😮 i bet one of those times was a light sandy beach..
Hi Andy, great video again.
Greatings from Tirol(Austria)
I totally forgot about YOU!!!!
@@unpluggedEV I always look your videos and also voted the Art.
8 Weeks Model S ~ 6240km and ~1100kWh for free (not SuperCharger) and 17,6kWh/100km (176Wh/km).
The difference is unbelievable 412km (72,5kWh / 17,6kWh = ~412km) range vs 42km in the PHEV.
~4 hours of Charging with 17kW * 4 = 68kWh vs ~3 hours charging with 3,3kW * 3 = 9,9kWh.
I'm totally relaxed when I have 30%SoC ~120km and try to charge in the next 24 hours. But most of the time I'm between 50% and 80% SoC and use the charging stations I found/ know when they are free.
That was with the PHEV not possible because after 40km the battery was empty.
Tesla Model S is a real game changer.
I realized that 10% SoC of the Tesla Model S is about the same as 100% SoC of the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV but I never risk to get below 10%SoC 😂🤣😂
With the PHEV I drove with this ~10% a lot of EV km but now it's the comfort buffer 😂🤣😂
I am picking up a brand new 2019 0utlander PHEV in a few days. Is there anything I should ask the dealership to do address this issue before they hand over the car to me?
Hi Andy. I bought 2017 outlander 5Hs PHEV. It’s show me 30-33 km range. I think it’s to low. Any recommendations how to increase the battery capacity? Thanks
Andy, I think the BMU is counting days instead of weeks in its secular deteriation routine.
In 10 years you'll be getting 7 batteries.
Your drop in 4 months should have taken 2 1/2 years remember?
Why do I like your video before watching it :D
Is that you all the time? Just published it and no views but already one like. Damn, you're fast!
How many different models of full electric vehicles and PHEV vehicles are available in Australia to choose from ?
Are there any BEV importers with inventory ?
EVs: myelectriccar.com.au/evs-in-australia/
PHEVs: The Outlander, Ioniq, BMWi8 and i3Rex
Dublin method FTW ! great news
So you disconnedt the 12V before the charger makes the click sound?
Andy you are cheap, :) you should give him more money just becouse he is nice :p 5 dollars or so.
I'm pulling his leg with this ;) We're always making fun out of each other...
Mate you could give em $10 a month
I need the money for my rehab!
It's not just the electricity, don't forget they are actors starring in your films. I agree $10 would be a more appropriate compensation, maybe $5 :) Not sure the media exposure gets them to sell many more stones...
I cannot give them $10/month. It would be cheaper to burn fuel from a pure economy standpoint.