Asmongold Reacts To Classic VS Retail WoW Raiding - Platinum WoW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ต.ค. 2019
- Asmongold watches a video by Platinum WoW, who goes through the main differences between raiding in Classic Wold of Warcraft and modern retail WoW...
Original Video: • Raiding in Classic VS ...
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Seeing people type "Ligma" instead of "Corona" really takes me back
Video starts
Asmon: That's true
pizza123 ok
"wow has been out for a long time"
asmon "thats true"
content 100
XD
"Ok...ok..."
Are you talking about him? The bald guy ?
ooh the irony ...
Nobody:
Asmons Twitch Chat:
*TRUE*
TRUE
TRUE LULW
BIG TRUE
TRUE LULW
no it's "TRUE LULW"
he coughed and i immediately looked at the date... rona patient zero
yes, they were talking about the bald guy's eyebrows.
Despite being a mythic raider on retail (mostly on expension launchs) I've been having a blast in classic raids, the character progression and wanting to get the loot is just so much fun the boss fights being much simpler doesn't make it bad
That shit gets boring as fuck though lmao
@@KC-py5vq I'm sorry you feel that way.
"I did that on purpose."
The way asmon reacts to the eyebrow thing, every now and again u see a few cracks in his streaming persona. Understandable tho
Classic raiding you can afk half the fights, and there’s really only 3 mechanics per boss
Retail raiding just looks cooler and keeps you stimulated during fights.
So it’s either you like to gamble for your loot or wait 3-4 months to get completely geared from raid (2-3 item drops per boss in a 40 man raid)
Yep exactly, at that is in a honest sharing loot guild, i still remember my shady GM back in the days secretly promising items to his friends and to the only girl in the raid.
I think that the gambling system might be better but atleast when you got an item it's yours and the gearing is much faster you know ?
I can't just stop laughing when people say '' yeah back in the days raiding was muuuuch harder than BFA '', and after that, i remember that Azshara Heroic have more mechanics than the whole MC bosses.
I think that retail is good for people who don't have like 8-10 hours day to spare to the game, classic is good for people who can play an insane amount of time to get '' competitive '' gear.
ZaWarudo couldn’t have explained it better myself my man. Spot on
its pretty obvious the raid is easy when a bunch of lvl 58s and a few 60s are able to kill rag for world first in like a few days after classic came out
Ehh I wouldn't mind more mechanics etc in classic but to me retail combat now is OTT visually to much lights and flashing going on
Retail raids are an overly complex mess visually. Clean the game up visually and it’s be fun. It’s an absolute mess and mythic means you have make WoW a part of who you are with how much time you invest. Like it or not, ppl choose not to play even if they want to bc they know the top of the mountain is completely unreasonable for 95% of ppl.
Both are great. classic feels more traditional grindy but finally beating that boss you keep wiping on retail feels great. I love the competitiveness of raids, pvp and dungeons in retail but the grind and loot system of classic.
5:15 Shout out to the dude trying to get off on live server under the video XD "Churn It"
They had Individual Responsibility in Classic Wow as well, where if you went for achievements or other such for mounts and such you would end up in Northrend screwing up the timing on the three dragons for the mount. All boss fights involve Individual Responsibility the issue is, that it started in Northrend.
17:02 at the bottom had me dying.
"FUCKING NERDS"
I gotta give it to him. He HAS been talking about how cosmetic progression is a powerful motivating factor that's diluted/harmed by easily obtained or store bought gear/mounts.
Liked for Zack's facial expressions at the weird noise edits.
Tbc had the best raiding and end game 25 man was perfect number for raiding
Some of the raids yes
Getting them eyebrows under control is hard.
20 minutes to go to the raid is the same as waiting 20 minutes for a raid to come out
Who waits 20 mins for raid? That's only on LFR 😂😂
The thing that's terrible about this video, is that between UbRS MC, BWL, Zul Gurub, AQ20, Aq40, and Naxx. Each raid is a giant step forward in polish and technical expertise. Like I'm just waiting for people to Twin Emps. Or Cthun with 40 people. And then see them do Heigans dance, then look back to a fight like Garr or Ragnaros and see how mobility started to play a role. How personal responsibility crept into the mechanics.
Classic WoW feels like a "retail" iteration of "vanilla". This isn't because the game is different. This is because the people are different. Classic has been out, like what... two months? People were blasting through Molten Core and Onyxia the second they had enough 55's. It's common to see a guild push up to at least Ragnaros on their first raid, and a ton actually clear the entirety of the Raid in one go. It's not the same "classic" experience. Back then, we needed fire-resistance. I have a set of fire resistance gear, just because I wanted to stay true to the experience, but I'm one in a handful of people on the server that actually farmed, kept, or crafted fire resist gear. Some raid guilds would even request their members either farm, buy, or ask GM for Fire-resistance potions. People would mind-control the mob outside BWL for the hidden fire-resistance buff. Now, there's none of that.
What about dungeons? People "reserve" loot. This never existed in Vanilla. If you lost a roll on something you needed, guess what? You had to run it again until you got it. I'm fine with a tank reserving one item, but on my server, literally every one of these faggots reserves loot for their replaceable dps roles. People LFM for shit like UBRS where half the fucking loot table is "reserve". The sad thing, people are stupid enough to join these groups. Back then, if you wanted to "reserve" loot - you invited everyone that couldn't roll on what you wanted. I.E HoJ farming with say a tankadin, resto druid, a mage and warlock. People min/maxed the living shit out of the game, removing any purpose for having a lot of classes. While classes like Rogues and Hunters are made obsolete by other classes, in terms of versatility and usefullness, other classes like Warriors, and Mages remove the need for other classes.
Leveling? Open your eyes, On my server I'd say more than 20% of players are Mages. Mage leveling was made extremely mainstream/toxic. I could go do a level appropriate quest, say... kill 10 mobs. Get 3% exp for turn in, plus mob kill exp. Overall, let's say 7% exp. In that time span, most mages aoe pulling will leave your questing in the dust. Power leveling was completely removed from the game, despite it being a true part of the classic experience. Look. I hated it. I think it took away from hitting 60, but you have to acknowledge it was there. I want to help my friends hit 60. I can't do that because they get 1% exp for me clearing all of SM for them, at lvl35.
WoW classic isn't the same vanilla experience. Don't get me wrong, I love it. I love having fun with my friends, and looking for pre-raid bis, etc. I love most of the game. I'm an ex-high warlord. I have a 60 Rogue, and I plan on leveling a tank to 60. That being said, I don't feel the need to lie to myself and call this the "true" classic experience. It's not.
You want the true classic experience? Go farm Fire resist gear. Go join groups w/ group loot, win your loot, lose your loot, re run the dungeons for the loot you lose, quest, dungeon, and kill grind to 60. Shit, I'd even go as far as to say uninstall your fancy UI's and install basic UI's. I'm a huge fan of Elvui/MerathilusUI but I would delete it if I were trying to get the complete classic experience. Just my two sense.
dollahbill510 if you expected classic to be the same experience as vanilla, you were fooling yourself from the start. Vanilla was different simply because for 2/3 of its lifespan, everyone was basically a noob.
Well, we aren’t noobs this time. We know how to run dungeons, we know how to spec, and we know how to level efficiently. Also, we are running on 1.12. It was known from the beginning that MC and most of BWL when it comes will be trivial at best.
If you are coming back to classic, you are coming for the nostalgia, not the experience or the difficulty of it. This has been known throughout the many years that people were play on private servers.
It was always going to be like this. To believe otherwise was pure and simply ignorance.
A word about cosmetic progression. This is also a difference of the time periods in which the games were played. Classic wow was played when the MMO genre was exploding, when you saw cool gear you usually didn't even know where it came from, but TBH the only real accomplishments are legendaries in classic now. It is no where near as hard as it used to be to raid because getting into the guild was 80 percent of the challenge back then, it's just a time investment.
Classic is just a different game for a different player. Retail serves a need and i'm happy it's around, i was around for classic and raided hardcore back in the day and i have no desire to relive that. However it is interesting to see it playing out with the vast amount of MMO experience the general player has now a days.
Cosmetic progression is so damn important in an mmo as discussed in the video. The feature that ruined it all was Transmog, i hate it to the fucking bone. Not only did it kill cosmetic progression and rpg aspects, it also removed any excitment of getting new gear. Transmog turned the game into fucking fashion contest with everyone walking arounding like a glowing power ranger. You're suppose to look good if u have earned it, by that it means killing hard raids / high rated arena etc.
@@bubbashepherd1843 I don't understand what people mean when they say that getting gear in the current game isn't rewarding. Is the powerspike as massive? Not really but there is character growth and my character being able to jump from 10k dps to 40 is huge growth.
Players like asmon constantly talk about 'you cant get the best gear in the game' because that means you have to get a titanforge with proper stats and a socket. Okay but to be honest do you really NEED that? Are you still doing 50k+ dps and still participating in endgame content that challanging that nobody else does?
I think what you want is a community to show this gear to. Right now in retail the only community you have is your guild and they are almost all on the same playing field you are and nobody cares because everyone is apart of their own clique.
I think if you released retail with no LFR or LFG that was isolated from the other servers you could have the same experience.
@@xeikai You're wrong, its like saying they should implement transmog into classic. It would not be the same experience.
bubba shepherd tmog is awesome, fuck off
Never was a fan of raiding personally but that guy made a good video about it
The only gear on my main I can remember is Azshara Font of Power and Ashvane Razor Coral but that's only because it was awesome when I got them since they're bis.
(Ignoring my Heart of Azeroth) the one item I can call out by name is my Cannonball Runner, and that's because being able to summon cannon balls to snipe my enemies whenever they think they *Just barely* managed to win the fight, is so fun.
did anyone churn that guys butter?
poor dude. just wanted a truffle tickle
Chat: Afflicted by Ligma Monkas
Ahhh the simpler times !
In Classic getting into the Raid is harder than the Raid itself.
Play on a mid pop server and you're in. Unless you're a moron of course.
i mean of course getting to the raid has to be an "event" when an entire raid mechanic wise doesn't even compare to LFR difficulty lol
Imagine modern mechanics at release lol
It's better to have 2 mechanics that matter than 10 you can ignore. I did Azshara when she released on lfr, had no idea wtf was going on but it didnt matter. Easy one shot with a raid full of people who had no clue
@@johannesandersen7065 that is what lfr is intended for. It is for people who cannot really play the game well to be able to see the content. There are different difficulties with different mechanics and damage. The rewards go up for the difficulty.
@@johannesandersen7065 lfr is not raiding if you want to criticize retail wow's raiding, you have to be a mythic raider everything else is a joke. why the fuck do they still have 4 difficulties, just have 1 DIFFICULTY. HARD. MYTHIC. that's all you fucking need. getting purps should be something special. instead you have 4 difficulties which devalues the gear you get. if you can't beat mythic raiding, YOU DON'T GET GEAR. simple. easy.
@@johannesandersen7065 "on lfr" No. Fucking. Shit. Go do Heroic, which isn't even the most difficult mode, and see how well you fare.
I love the shit going down in the background just as much as I love his commentary. @ 08:39
McConnell 😂🤣😂🤣
Early on asmon says something thats resonates with me.
Albeit nowhere near the same level of depth, but what I loved about VoG from Destiny, was simple getting into the raid was a nightmare at first.
Everyone did "classic vs retail" as soon as classic came out, which, OBVIOUSLY everoynes on classic. thats where its at. Now a month or so into classic. We should get a new video on classic vs retail. I just tried retail and classic made me appreciate a TON of factors to retail.
Gotta admit B.C. heroic was fun after a few attempt and a few set pieces it wasnt that bad still fun. Not just hell fire they were all good minus the one with the bone piles in acundoun and ghosts F that one .
Can we appreciate 6:45 where both says "back up", two different phrases from asmon and the video creator but the timing and similarity of the last words are perfect. Thought someone already wrlte it in the comments, but nope, found nothing
Joe it doesn’t matter bitch
lmao at the eyebrows
"were you talking about the bald guy?"
in a sense, yes
so you know, even in progression, i consider blackhand equivalent to one of the easiest fights in ffxiv. if you want balls to the wall challenge, you go for end game ffxiv savage and ultimate raids. wow is still really fun though and i love it. but i love the insanity of ffxiv
Personally I have no interest in playing classic wow BUT the traveling to the raid part is great
Yeah really is, those videos of asmon and the alliance having to fighting massive pvp brawls just to get into Blackrock mountain
Its funny because in classic, the experience of doing the raids is more annoying than the one in retail but they are more rewarding. And, the experience in retail is less annoying but less rewarding also. So i think blizzard should try to merge the two to have the perfect raiding.
Asmon's eyebrows each have their own soul I swear
Asmongold's point of view in raiding is suspect. The game can't be gatekeeping the crowd that doesnt play 8 hours per day.
100%, ppl quit bc the top isn’t even achievable anymore. But at least the ppl who play a video game for a living have stuff to do. No wonder they bleed subs
I have game take a shot every time Asmongold move his eyebrows up.
I cant believe he left out the fact that raids in retail completely trivialize all old raid content before them, which really kills a lot of the raiding content and enjoyment of getting gear in retail. This is not how classic wow is at all, ppl will be running MC even when nax is out because there is still relevant gear in MC even tho its the first available raid in the game. This is one of the biggest raiding differences between retail and classic to me
Just got through saying classic raids were better because you had to prepare to get in and then gets exposed for not preparing lol
LFR Argus was a pain in the ass because range never killed the fucking orbs
Ever tried the private server retro wow classic wow in 5 man...some bosses are easy some not so much with only one healer
for the love of god bring back the clearcut BiS. I have no interest in classic raiding and, I dont care to raid retail because of all the rng titanforging bullshit. I want to be able to find out my BiS write it down and have a clear goal I am working towards. my motivation would be through the roof if this was the case in retail
"group up in a deathball to Black Rock Mountain" or, 98 percent of the raid sits in SW or Ogrimmar pressing 123.
Imagine wiping in Onyxia after doing that long ass questline
I miss the 10 and 25 man raid sizes.
8:10 Oh man do I agree here. I have always mained as a Prot Paladin and the fights that always took the longest were the ones that gave DPS an individual responsibillity.
Individual responsibility is 99% of the difficulty in mythic. For example, Mythic Varimathras in legion. It's such a simple boss (mechanic wise). But you know for damn sure 1 fucker would simply walk to close to someone or walk to late and it's instant wipe. And because it's individual + RNG, You could be the best at it but some random dude keeps getting debuff and fucking up.
Confusing when bfa has pruned abilities yet is more difficult raid wise then classic. Lmao.
For me Retail vs Classic is pretty much like this: Retail item system Classic everything else. Unfortunately item system in WoW matters so much that it makes Retail pretty bad in general while it is not enough to make Classic interesting for me since it lacks in everything else and has the worst PvP ranking system I have seen in 15 years I play online PvP games and that is awful for me since I am a PvP player :Z.
Well I am looking forward to TBC/Wotlk Classic since it has both good item system and skill based PvP ranking system but till then neither of the WoW live versions is worth the sub money for me sadly :(.
The attunements and epic quests are also great
16:28 Eyebrows
man in classic i didn't even train
the summoning spell in classic i'm that special kind of asshole
I don't think saying Vanilla RAIDS are hard because it's hard to get in them, it makes more sense to say finding a Raid is hard, but the Raid and Raiding ín itself is not.
Also Asmongold what class is hard to play in classic lol
All of them except Mages... their OP
I wholesomely disagree with the classes being hard to play. Unless a single button rotation seems confusing for some. PvP is a whole different animal. In PvE it's a joke.
@@edgyjeans88 Homie i'm playing Hunter, the easiest to play and hardest to master class and even that is a joke compared to any class FF14 has.
Fyi i wasnt saying any were hard. I was saying they are all easy. Fyi i roll hunter class also my guy. So youre preaching to the choir
If you mean for leveling, warrior probably.
Hul is underrated
does 15 man onyxia less a month after release, says retail is easier
you do understand we have had 15 years to prepare for the vanilla content and not retail right?
@Jordan Church ???? he was trying to say that Retail raids are harder than classic the reason for that is because of private servers that we been playing since forever if u had over 15 years practice for the current BFA content you could do it a lot faster too.
@Jordan Church That is not what im talking about i am telling him WHY it is easier BFA would have been just as easy if we played it for 15 years too
Jordan Church i love how u say that but you not gonna explain why so fine *it doesnt matter why classic is easier its still easier* is a pointless argument
@Jordan Church okay good i agree with that you do know i also agreed to Retail raids are more difficult than the Vanilla ones right? But BFA would have been easy too if you had played that same old content over and over again we woulnd't have cleared all the vanilla content under a month if we din't have had the practice from before
Thumbs up for the eyebrows
Lol @ 16:30 with the eyebrows
Raiding in vanilla is very nostalgic to me since I experienced the real deal, however Classic is a figured out and dated game. It’s never going to be the same.
Yet it is still infinitely better than retail.
@@snow4709 Not as good as Tbc and wrath raiding
Deniz classic is forsure better :D it’s so fun running everywhere until 40 an out questing a zone an going to the next zone 4 levels behind 😂 or going to SM looking for a group after one run for 20 min , unbalanced pvp no arena or BG classes are reliant on engineering 😂
Deniz but ofc classic is forsure better
Deniz an let’s not forget content 😂 yay I’m 60 now imma just raid every day an be bored
LFR=CLASSIC RAIDING
thats why glamour is the real end game
Molten Core, especially the Rag fight, is a complete faceroll though. People say that classic raiding was "actually hard", but it's only hard when you do it with 0 gear; it barely has any to none actual tactics or mechanics.
Still, Classic > Retail
Retail raiding is way better. Outside of that, Classic is just the overall better game.
True but number of raids doesn’t equal quality. Besides, it’s a loot issue making the previous raid irrelevant.
@@deadlymixx I'm confused, if you're saying previous raids are irrelevant in classic, this is incorrect.
Disagree.
Matthew O'Connor No I was talking about retail.
when is ZG raid coming out???
Timboh when AQ comes out.
@@christianhawk592 actually earlier than that, ZG is phase 4 and AQ is phase 5
Does classic even have rotations? You only have like 2 damaging abilities to use per class.
You have plenty of damaging attacks, only 2-3 actually contribute to dps build.
On a surface level dps may seem like "pressing one button" but if you actually play and min/max at a high level you find there are plenty of nuisances that will increase your dps by 5-10% TAKE hunters as an example your melee swing timer is on a seperate cd from your autoshot allowing you to weave in and out of melee range between shots to up your damage or a warlock can use shadowburns on CD for extra damage at the cost of soul shards along with dot snapshotting to maximize uptime on damage increasing effects. On retail every trinket/ability is designed to be fire and forget they actively design the game in a way to minimize the difference between a skilled and unskilled player.
no classic doesn't have rotations but the pvp/open world/dungeons/leveling gameplay is much better than retail tho
@@Titi-pu2hl The PvP is not better at all. There is a very clear hierarchy of classes, with warlocks sitting happy at the top of the pile and warriors on the bottem. Dungeons are easier then mythic+10, leveling is awful in both. Open world is purely a personal thing, its never been important to me at all.
I don't really care about getting to the raid I care if I can do the raid
Raiding is Raiding.
war never changes
onyxia wipe animation is just that, and it's the first time anyone knew lady prestor was a fuckin dragon momma who wan't us to cull the onyx dragonflight, which may or may not include garnet dragonkin
raiding in classic wow is identical to vanilla in 0.5
but we're at 1.13 where BRD is the end game. Onyxia is tier 2, ragnaros is tier 2.
molten core is 40-man BRD
via conga line
dungeon companion is on archive
dungeon companion 2 has Naxx
Bestiary SHOULD have armor and resist values for 4H
what about walking? walking hasnt changed too...
the eyebrows are alive
Each time his eyebrows go up, *The Great Divide* gets bigger and bigger.
Asmon *bald* OMEGALUL
i think he has tourettes
1º The quest to be able to get in the raids are fun.. the first time.. fucking shit when u remember about that when u playing an alter. The quest are not fun at all, they are only a stupid requirement that dont care a shit. they have good loot yes, but u have to do the same fucking "joke raid" like 3 times.
In retail, in this raid for example we have to do a questchain too very more interesting and fun to get in the raid..
i'm not sure what the point of comparing anything but mythic raiding to classic raiding is.. Recent retail mythic raids are far more challenging than any boss in classic, by any metric.
“Intentionally didn’t prepare for last two bosses to save the groups moral.” What a load of BS. “That is the one I hate. Individual responsibility.” AKA YOU need to get good. YOUR TEAM needs to get good. Or nobody is progressing. “Gear sucks, it is a waste of time.” Says the guy still raiding with a 226 item level.
Classic is the new LFR
overabundance of gear is what makes me mad - raid gear still should be best with alternative of PvP gear for PVP
Retail also has flying, so that removes a lot of the social things like travelling to a raid together.
"But with CLASSIC, you can beat rag with level 50's in horrible gear"
Classic raiding is a joke. Azshara LFR is more difficult than anything in Classic.
Only trash players use lfr
@@seancampbell6292 Classic is easier than LFR, so that must make them pure actual trash gods.
@@wowzer4919 stfu zoomer
Mankrik 'The Thorntusk Butcher'
Mad cuz bad. Git gud and play retail
Shut your mouth pussy.@@seancampbell6292
The guy who plays this game for a living can’t name his gear in an rpg. Blizz, wtf did y’all do to this game
almost as if hes lying
I can name my retail gear. Or some.. I only PvP, and their name innovation for PvP gear is *season title* gladiator *gear slot*. Next season is something like corrupted gladiator, so I already know the gear I'd be force fed in the next season.
Why do these videos get more views than the original... smh
Zzzz algorithms
listening to these videos just helps me sleep in my chair. Stay Asmongold.
I named my bald scourge pet Asmongold I hope I can upload the picture on TH-cam
"classic raiding is so eeeeasy".....anyhow, lemme grab my fifteen potions and elixirs, world buffs, class buffs, fifty seven addons.....aaaand I'm ready to go.
classic raids do eventually get harder bwl aq40 naxx
Not really, Naxx isn't much harder then normal modes right now. By the point Naxx comes out, were going to be decked so hard with AQ40 gear its just going to be face rolled pretty hard.
That comment didnt age well.. Asmon just two shotted four Horsemen in naxx on ptr :D
As ins more dead than an decided person they only laugh when he does always agrees with him no matter what
Classic is Retail as well. It's not free.
LOL im old school, I did raids with 75+ players to kill a Dragon that would still kill 80% of the raid.... wish they would remaster Everquest..
Classic wow. Were looking bad ass, usually meant you were bad ass. Having something earned and to strive for it was makes it SOOOOOO much better then retail.
@Viostic1 Its more of a broad statement. I understand gear looks does not control all. BUT in classic when you saw someone rolling around with certain loots you knew he was a bad ass. In retail you can literally TMOG anything. From a pos green to best in slot. obtaining items just felt more meaningful back in vanilla days
1 person can mess it up in MC (baron?). 1 person can mess it up in BWL(2nd boss).... fake logic. The tank can get resisted with taunts and crap. I want to shit on the logic, but I just took a dump. Maybe next time.
I would skip bosses by being late so offen gay first few bosses always sucked for mages anyway
Platinum knows a lot about the game. Asmon thinking he knows more about anything when it comes to WoW is laughable
I like retail wow better then classic
But not by that much
For me the game started to go downhill was when they decided to simplify it.
I remember the satisfaction from getting attuned for Karazhan. You first had to complete every dungeon in the expansion on heroic difficulty in "Burning Crusade" to get that key into Karazhan. Once you had finished Karazhan you could then do Gruul and get the key for Serpentshrine Cavern ect. Taking this out to make it easier was a really bad move and took away a lot from the game. People simply weren't ready in terms of skill or gear to enter dungeons and that made it even more important to be a part of a community and build and maintain those relationships.
Asmon's eyebrows moving like fucking cuphead
Yo
Personally I got really bored with classic after finishing the current content.