[𝗥𝗘𝗩𝗜𝗘𝗪] First-Ever OLED Gaming Monitor with BFI (240Hz/ 120Hz)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- We review the Asus PG34WCDM 34-inch OLED monitor with MLA panel, 240Hz refresh rate & 120Hz BFI (black frame insertion).
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I'm watching this on my 77 CX with 120hz BFI. I will never go back to a screen that offers lesser motion clarity. Gaming with 120BFi on my PC is the best experience a had, since my Plasma TV, 15 years ago.
Same. Can never play without BFI ever again. Yuk!
Same. I love my LG C9 with its 120Hz BFI unlocked via color control app
i love BFI in all coop games. In cod though BFI is only amazing for clearly seeing the enemy and is unmatched for spotting easily at a distance, but the added latency makes it impossible to compete at the closest indoor range, so if youre sniping or medium-long range, you have the best advantage in the game with BFI, but if your planning to play close to medium range, youre better off disabling BFI and hopefully increasing framerate and/or enabling vrr instead. thankfully, we have the option to turn it on and off during gameplay and also per game setting.
The difference is that a plasma will look smooth on any frame rate. 120Hz BFI doesn't work on 30 FPS games like on consoles.
Excited to see how the rgwb layout in the newer woleds will compare in text clarity
Probably MUCH better, I predict even better than QD OLED but the matte coating will bring it back to the same level clarity wise.
Disable text anti-aliasing…
I have 120 HZ BFI on my 55 inch LG C1 OLED TV and its amazing. I can't use it all the time because its hard for CPU's to get a locked 120 fps in all games, but when I can, its amazing. The motion clarity is way better than with no BFI.
And also, I can still use HDR with BFI on my LG C1 compared to this Asus ultrawide. Yes, the specular highlights are crushed, but it still improves the image quality and there are some games where I much prefer the much better motion clarity to the brighter highlights with blurrier motion using no BFI.
I only tried BFI for Bloodborne to battle the 30 fps motion judder, but it only made it worse. Darker and more flickering. Never tried BFI again. I have a C2 using on PS5
@@murray821ps5 is the problem.
@@murray821 60hz BFI (C2) on 30fps content (Bloodborne) will just create duplicated images, pretty perceivable by the eye.
There's no solution for Bloodborne I'm afraid, other than the 60fps hack.
Also, if you don't mind the extra input lag, you can also try motion interpolation from your TV to get smoother gameplay.
@@Albertredneck motion smoothing creates a lot of artifacts, the background looks smoother but the objects in front of it creates weird ghost images and other undesirable stuff
13:37, classic ;)
The video length was just perfect 👌
it was elite!
Thanks for clarifying BFI only works at a fixed frame rate. I look forward to when it doesn't!
Literally later this year via G-Sync Pulsar tech. Unfortunately, limited to LCD
@@brandnewdad2023Yeah I saw that was teased at CES. Only a matter of time before it comes to OLED :)
i believe asus brands their BFI with VRR support as ELMB-Sync, just for future reference. a bit disappointing that this monitor doesnt have it.
Is it restricted to monitors with backlights?
no! Oled each pixel is its own light.
Can't wait new coming QD-OLEDs reviews ! 😀
Same maybe helpful timestamps:
[00:00:00]
- Introduction and overview of the monitor
- First OLED monitor to support BFI
- 3440 x 1440 resolution, 21:9 aspect ratio, 800R curvature
- BFI only available with 120 FPS SDR video source
[00:01:36]
- BFI performance and limitations
- Increases motion clarity significantly
- Darkens the picture but can be compensated by OLED light
- Disables VRR, HDR, and aspect control
[00:03:35]
- Input lag and refresh rate
- Lowest input lag at 240 FPS and 240Hz
- BFI increases input lag to 10 milliseconds
- HDMI 2.1 output limited to 180Hz, DisplayPort supports 240Hz
[00:04:09]
- Suitability for PC gaming
- Supports HDR, VRR, and all three major VR formats
- Minimal VR flicker and 4:4:4 chroma
- 21:9 aspect ratio and RWB subpixel layout not ideal for console gaming or productivity
[00:07:05]
- Brightness, uniformity, and color accuracy
- Very good bright uniformity, some color tinting along the sides
- sRGB color mode recommended for SDR content
- HDR peak brightness of 700 nits, supports HGIG
[00:08:28]
- Gradiation, tone mapping, and anti-CSB measures
- Very good native 10-bit gradiation
- Cinema HDR mode adapts to MaxCLL metadata
- Screen saver, pixel cleaning, pixel shifting, and logo luminance adjustment to prevent burn-in
My problem with BFI is that I can clearly see when the black frame being inserted, the image feels like it is pulsing.
No in 120hz and above
@@ec2122ce I can still see them on 120Hz. Thats why I dont use it.
which monitor? and do you have ulmb turned on in the nvidia control panel? or just directly on the tv/monitor itself?
@@robertquinones8380 directly on the TV/Monitor it self. Ive not a 240Hz BFI if its any different.
@@Pandemonium088 if its for a game, you have to set ULMB in the nvidia settings, but if its for television, then it shouldnt have mattered. were you gaming?
You can easily get correct HDR while using bfi on LG's oled TVs on PC using a few softwares like reshade and some calibration. It sucks that they disable HDR for no reason while strobing. Not a problem on the mighty LGC1, HDR+BFI at 120FPS is just glorious on it.
Hadn’t noticed hdr being disabled with bfi on my cx. Vrr, sure, but not hdr. I don’t use bfi regardless since it dims the picture entirely too much for my liking, even on my u8k which gets far brighter.
Any guides on how to use it correctly using Reshade? I have a C1 and a 4080 Super coming so am looking into getting the best presentation of movies and games in HDR mode. I also hear there is a mod to make better HDR output on Nvidia GPU's over at Nexus mods.
Asus should definitely add HDR to BFI, that's the only reason stopping me from getting one of their new OLEDs with BFI...
You can't fix the meta data not being displayed on the screen, reshade won't do a thing to change this.
@@OniMirage you should try to read, they were talking about fixing HDR on the LG C1, which already has native HDR + BFI support
The loss of VRR with BFI is bad enough, but losing out on HDR is too much. Movies, recent good-looking games... Being forced to play at just SDR feels like missing out too much on image quality.
However... This sounds really good for online, competetive games where giving up on HDR seems more reasonable (particularly for video recording and sharing, where HDR is a hindrance in the current state of the internet).
I hate playing FPS in HDR it's just too bright here and there so it's not a problem
@@znoozarosYeah, also got some headaches from HDR. It's just too bright
@@znoozaros Not on oled, it's pretty nice in dim room with the max brightness.
With online, competitive games, you're much more likely to be able to actually hit 240fps, or near enough to get comparable motion quality. So this is actually more fit for games that would natively run at 120-150fps, which is more your cinematic games that would benefit from HDR. So it's a pretty tough tradeoff. Unfortunately the panel itself does not support strobing, so we don't get equivalent BFI to the CX where you could actually lower the persistence of the native refresh rate; native 240Hz BFI would look absolutely fantastic and be a legitimate option for competitive games. ASUS is just implementing this in firmware.
@@NameName-ll2yx I've had an oled TV for the past 5 years and samsung g9 oled monitor and lg's gr95 oled
would be nice to have feature on upcoming 480hz woled it would run 240hz 1440p with bfi so some games which don't cross 300fps could be played better in that mode while the ones which could run at 500+ fps could utilize the standard 480hz mode
To intentionally limit BFI to SDR is not a good decision because tweaking the HDR with Reshade is the best way to get a great picture quality with it enable.
I'm glad BFI is coming back but this implementation is still inferior to the LG C1/G1 OLED which looks like 312Hz when using OLED Motion pro high (3.2 ms of persistence)
Thanks for all the detailed information. Its good that companies now coming back giving us options to reduce motion blur.
But for PG34WCDM running BFI at 240Hz will still result in 4.1ms frame visibility time which will be too much motion blur for most gamers at this screen.
Remember this is a high-resolution screen (3440 pixels in width!) leading to very large pixel/seconds change for fast mouse movement.
Even the first ULMB LCD monitors offered persistence of around 2ms by hardware strobing (which in a way corresponds to BFI technique on OLED) and as @plasmatvforgaming9648 mentioned even older LG C1 offered 3ms.
What I would like to see is BFI at 240Hz with adjustable FBI frame time length (BFI frame time > game frame time) to land at 2-3ms frame/pixel visibility. But this would require higher brightness.
That is why -as many other here- I will wait for a (probably very expensive) G-Sync Pulsar LCD.
ty good one. more monitors pls :) keep up the good work!
I'm a bfi enjoyer. But I had 120hz bfi for years now, this is not an upgrade. I want 240 or even 480hz bfi, and preferably with gsync pulsar so VRR works in combination with bfi.
Loved this review, but I had to say that you should have made this video at least 30fps, but 60fps desirable to watch the monitor usage footage.
I don't know what happend to your sample but both the datasheet and the manual confirm that it's supposed to work at 240hz, native resolution, via HDMI 2.1.
I think "the display guy" reviewed the monitor and said the same thing with his, he i think mentioned it being a is that asus is working on?
No guys, it will never work at 240hz(the max hz). That will require hardware level strobing(PWM). Currently no pc monitor or tv oleds support that(laptop/phone/tablet and VR oleds all still do). The bfi on this is just inserting black frames on the scaler, so it can't work above 1/2 the max refresh rate.
@@displaytalk You just misread the comment, we're not talking about BFI and 240hz.
@@hbjigcc Oops my bad I did. Sorry lol, just woke up.
If you watch the video he mentions he is using rtx 3090 which does not have hdmi 2.1, thats why he is Dp for 240hz
I hate how they gimp BFI by not letting it be used at 60 HZ where it would benefit the content the most.
I don't give a s*** about BFI flicker give me the choice lol
Another thing that would work better would be a rolling scan BFI using the HDR Headroom of the monitor so that across all refresh rate range you get the benefit of that full 240hz at any refresh rate.
BFI is pointless on an oled display it's all marketing
@@drunkhusband6257 You have no idea what you're talking about. BFI is needed on all sample-and-hold displays, which OLED certainly is, in order to get close to the motion clarity of CRTs. You're probably too young to have ever seen what perfect motion resolution looks like with CRTs. You've fallen hook, line and sinker for the marketing of OLEDs as having instant response times, which they do but which also isn't anywhere close to enough to eliminate sample-and-hold blur.
I can't notice any blur on any of my OLED displays....@@GlassOnion23
keep telling yourself that bud @@drunkhusband6257
@@GlassOnion23Where’s my crappy scan-lines nerd? 😂
That food allergy analogy hit hard 🙃
Good test, just a shame not to see any test about flicker, which is a huge flaw for many people and will lead to a lot of headaches...
Some company would ideally invest bigtime into figuring out the perfect algorithm for inserting black frames at a variable refresh rate with minimal latency. It would require a lot of iteration to figure out what allows for a constant "perceived brightness", but I don't think it's impossible. It's just that the target audience for BFI is likely too small for any manufacturer to really invest into finding the golden solution to this problem. Perhaps if esports grows even bigger in the next few years, who knows.
Wew finally BFI on OLED gaming monitors
>Ineviteable comments about BFI
Yep that's me. Sorry.. I know you can't do anything about it, I just hope that the manufacturers see the comments instead. Thanks for the great reviews&news
This BFI implementation is really lacking. What would have been much more interesting is to have 240Hz + BFI. 120Hz + BFI should equal motion clarity similar to 240Hz without BFI, so almost nothing is improved.
It's almost like 240Hz is really good as it is
All these primitive BFI solutions are pointless. The long term ticket is going to be something like that gsync pulsar with strobing AND VRR.
You're just wasting your money until something like that gets standardized.
wait for 480hz woled this feature would make sense for games like apex
I would love to see your review of the new Dell QOLED 32 inch. That looks very sweet. It is on the market now.
Thanks for the review. What tool did you use to measure the latency, may I ask?
@AFFL1CTED1: It's the Leo Bodnar 4K lag tester.
@@hdtvtest thank you
there's also the case for emulation and other games locked at lower fps values that can really benefit from bfi and a more powerful PC can't do much there.
BFI with VRR on an OLED would basically nuke CRTs, but until then, CRTs reign supreme for the best motion clarity it seems
To bad the new pixel layout is not out yet for LG and that they use sush a aggressive curve. Personally I prefer 1500/1800cr.
800cr is more useful for 32:9.
Hey Vince I know you don’t test many LCD monitors but I was wondering if you would be interested in testing ULMB 2. Like latency and stuff along those lines. Motion clarity is important but not at the cost of input delay. So was curious if you would do this.
I hope you compare LG and Samsun new gen panels side-by-side. It would be nice to get your thoughts about both.
No way i would sacrifice VRR/HDR for BFI. Not to mention Asus's poor product quality and failure rate especially for their ROG branding. I'll wait for Alienware or LG.
I find vrr flicker more noticeable than screen tearing at higher refresh rates anyway, but no HDR is annoying
Indeed. OLED at these refresh rates is already plenty good enough for me motion clarity wise. The kids acting like this is a make or break feature are just weird imo.
Heard Alienware had some pretty bad issues with their OLED 4K 240hz
Same, love my lg 27gr95qe
Not true . Buy one if you have the money . Their last 27 inch was immaculate.
Why does BFI disable aspect control? Both functions are simple and should be easy to run even on the slowest display drivers??
Such a bummer that means I won't be paying extra for the Asus 4k as I was planning, I will just get the (probably cheaper) Aorus and forgo BFI altogether, until someone does it properly at least (probably will be Dough but they're risky to buy from)
Nice screen but I'll keep my LG C3 as a monitor for now.
Hi, I plan to buy an LG OLED color-grading client monitor. My doubt is, should I go for the C3 or C2?
I have BFI on my LG C1, it's pretty much useless for gaming except for those rare games that run locked at 120fps. Or if you have a 4080 or above then enjoy lol.
Vincent, are there any bigger ultra wide OLED monitors with higher resolution coming out soon? I have an Alienware AW3423 already but want bigger. 1440P at 40" just isn't enough.
Do you know if the new Asus 32" 4k/240hz & 1080p/480hz OLED (there are WOLED and QDOLED models) monitor supports BFI at 1080p (1080p/240hz/bfi)? Also, does it have the same console limitations as the 21:9 model in this video?
the QD OLED doesn't have that 1080p480Hz feature, only the WOLED ones with the LG panels
@@TechMediaLifr yep
I get the curve ultrawides but I’d really like a flat ultrawide with the same features so it wouldn’t have distortion for productivity work.
Will you do a review of the new 27 inch and 32 inch QD-OLEDs high refresh rates from Alienware :)?
bravo ...un domanda : che profili usi , te li crei tu ? ciao
I just cannot understand why game developers don't create a BFI option into their games so that the BFI happens at the software level instead of the hardware level
a question, and I hope you can answer me, to calibrate hdr of ps5, do I have to take into account the maximum brightness of the TV in a window of 2% or 10%?
I wonder if the WOLED version of the 4K 32” coming later this year will be able to do both BFI + HDR since it’s brighter
Pls Review asus rog pg32ucdm mla and Qd-Oled variants in detail. Qd- Oled has glossy finish while mla has matte finish. Qd-oled gets the edge in this regard.
Isn't it just better to use DLSS3 frame generation instead of BFI? If you have a GPU cable of 120fps and the game supports it, DLSS3 should easily be able to double the frame rate to 240fps.
Note: I'm not against BFI. I think it's a great technology but as others have said, it reduces brightness which is a big minus for HDR games. Perhaps BFI will be more common when OLED displays get brighter.
Adds latency. Can be very distracting for people who play fast paced games.
@@lrmcatspaw1 Latency when using frame gen at 120fps should be next to nothing. It’s already tolerable at 60fps. Double that is probably completely fine.
@@noidsuper not all games work with framegen theirs a seas of low fps locked games, that could do with a motion clarity upgrade, unfortunatly this bfi implementation stinks, it should have 48-120hz bfi modes atleast.
@@lrmcatspaw1it doesn’t add much latency especially in combination with reflex. BFI also adds latency which I didn’t realize. Of course if you can get the real fps close to 240 without running into cpu/gpu bottleneck that will give lowest latency.
@@brett20000000009 Oh yeah I was mostly just clearing up FG latency concerns. As far as I’m aware most fast paced FPS games don’t even support the feature. Only one off the top of my head is The Finals. Works pretty well there
Exciting times, would like to see a non-curved non-ultra wide variant of this.
didn't the LG CX already have this tech 4 years ago? ofc without MLA... hoping we get 240hz bfi soon
Surely BFI should be handled by the gfx card! (who is in control of the fluctiating frame rate) And therefore can work out (before the display) when to display a black frame.
Rapidly flickering BFI is a poor substitute for CRT technology.
About the "monitor classification", isn't one of them being able to display a wide variety of content? Like sharp text for prelonged period without degredation? They can't even be bothered changing the pixel layout from that of a tv. These oleds are just the early access of the monitor world but insead of a software update to fix issues its just early access to your wallet only. I hope you cover the ability to send a cropped 1440 or 1080p image for your reviews.
Waiting for the next video! 👍
13:37 perfect video length gamer 👌
It would be great it could support 1/3 80Hz and 1/4 60Hz mode, for GPUs that are not that powerful, yeah it would hurt the brightness but I play in a dark room anyway.
Also why there's still no ultrawide oled in 3840*1600?
This is where frame limiting comes into play. Look it up online for a detailed guide
120hz+BFI needs to have better motion clarity than 240hz for it to be worth it. I thought BFI would be better than this. It would've been nice if Vincent would have tested 120hz+bfi vs 240hz more thoroughly.
On my LG C1 OLED TV, 120 HZ BFI is 100% better than 240 HZ. With OLED Motion Pro (LG name for BFI in the settings) set to High, it reduces the persistence to 38% of its original one.
This means that instead of having 8.3 ms of persistence at 120 HZ, you get 3.2 ms of persistence at 120 HZ BFI which is the equivalent of having 312 HZ in motion.
Yes, the brightness is reduced to 38% of the maximum by doing so, but the motion is so much better (2.6X better exactly) that I just can't ignore it.
120hz+bfi is literally 240hz with half the frames replaced with black. It’s impossible for it to look smoother. Best case they should look the same.
This is due to how sample and hold blur works. Monitors unboxed explains it will in their “why higher refresh rates matter” video.
BFI in this context is for low-framerate only. If you can hit 240fps, BFI is pointless.
If some displays can do lower than 50% persistence in BFI mode, that could do better in theory. But ultimately 1ms persistence is the goal and for that you’d need around 8% persistence at 120Hz. It’ll be hard for oled to keep up with the fastest LCDs in this regard - the new 540Hz TN can do below 1ms persistence.
@@PumatSol No, BFI can be different than just doubling the motion clarity, the manufacturer can choose whatever persistence reduction percentage he wants. It is a tradeoff of maximum brightness for motion clarity.
On LG CX/GX OLED TV's , 60 HZ BFI set to the highest persistence reduction mode
(OLED MOTION PRO HIGH), it gets down to 25% persistence so 240 HZ of effective motion clarity but 1/4 th of the max brightness with no BFI. It goes down to 2.6X on LG C1/G1 and 2X on C2/G2 and C3/G3.
Also, OLED's are arguably better than LCD'S for BFI (backlight strobing on LCDs, but the same concept of wanting to reduce the persistence) because the clarity improvement is much more uniform across the screen thanks to OLED much lower pixel response time.
On GSYNC monitors with ULMB 2 like the 540 HZ monitor from ASUS you were talking about, even with vertical dependent overdrive which was introduced with ULMB 2, the clarity is not uniforrm. The middle of the screen is the clearest section with the top and bottom being blurrier. Go watch reviews about it from TIM on the Hardware Unboxed channel, he has videos about it.
On my LG C1, I don't see any uniformity issues, its consistently clearer in motion with BFI across the whole screen.
The only thing I am excited about for backlight strobing on GSYNC LCD monitors is GSYNC Pulsar which will allow strobing to be used in comnination with VRR, thats amazing.
Ultimately, this ability is going to come to OLED for sure at some point, its not a panel type limitation, but yeah, that aspect of LCDs excite me, even though, I would never ever go back to daily driving an LCD for gaming because the blacks, the contrast and HDR on an OLED are just so much better.
@@chrissoucy1997You obviously don’t know math 😂
@@chrissoucy1997 He's showing input lag, not persistence. You should go back to "Plasma TV for Gaming" and watch closer and understand what you watched instead of just matching random numbers up without knowing what they mean.
Will Panasonic ever bring back BFI @120Hz? Or is the JZ2000 the last Panasonic Oled that has it?
I am buying mini led 57 today! The g9 neo. I knew it's going to get out done😊 as soon as I set it up lol
That's mini led*
I would argue semantics but thank you lol
Yah nothing personal lol a bigger TH-camr saying the same yesterday and it's just wrong info, "micro led" is kinda the pinnacle of display tech 100k$+, pixel-like control of an OLED (true black) and "brightness" of an led (without the blooming). A heads up his neo g9 had real bad blooming, hope ur panel lottery was better!
@@tictechtone Yes you are 100% correct. I did not even know that there was micro LED that's probably why I said it because I have heard it in passing. Probably one of the reasons I'm not a big TH-camr. lol I make so many mistakes and have trouble remembering things and being organized.
@@tictechtone I'm not very sensitive to blooming although I do notice it when the computer boots up but when it is in HDR mode it's really hard to notice. I am definitely having other little issues like flickering but it's definitely a Windows or Adobe issue. Only happens when I'm using 2 monitors editing.
how come no dell AW3225QF? you scared for QD-OLED DISPLAY PANELS???
No 60Hz BFI 🥲 I know it's flickery for a lot of people, but it's awesome for those 60fps limited games. Also sadly software BFI implementations are just not there yet outside of Retroarch's implementation
60fps content is ubiquitous theres plently of people that will gladly take the flicker to experience better motion just like the crt days
I don't understand why software implementations aren't good on OLEDs, they have instant response times unlike IPS so inserting a black frame between each 2 normal frames should be dead easy on the game engine or even driver level?
Sadly I don't have an OLED to test with yet.
@@houssamalucad753 The software issues aren’t anything to do with the OLED display really, they’re actually the optimal display for it. It’s just in my experience every software BFI implementation on Windows has very inconsistent frametimes that cause flickering out the wazoo. The only exception I’ve found is Retroarch’s implementation, but the game HAS to have locked frametimes.
I'm super excited to see Nvidia Pulsar which will have low persistence with VRR.
Please tell me what has asus done about VRR gama flicker have they fixed the issue with this monitor ?
This issue was reported by HDTVTest on LGs 2019 OLEDS,
Vincent got a statement from LGD and acording to them the cause of the issue is the OLED Panel not the TV itself.Gamma for OLED Is opimised and fixed at 120Hz by establishing a fixed chargeing time for OLED sub-pixels, LGD will likel solve this problem by establishing multiple gamma curves to get around this issue with VRR.
This statement is on this link timestamped below. I think it about time these displays get a fix for this fault.
th-cam.com/video/Jfl3UdWZIUQ/w-d-xo.html @elcactuar3354
Please extend your work also to the monitor, thanks a lot
Thinking of using the lg c3 42in for a monitor but Mainly for gaming.
Man I just wish they've kept improving CRT for gaming. I mean. 0 input lag, already smooth as butter even at 60fps. Best of all worlds. Only bad things are that they are big and weigh a lot.
How will this monitor work with the console PS5 Slim?…thank you for the opportunity 🙏
"Thank you for the opportunity"
This isn't a job interview. It's a TH-cam video.
🤣🤣🤣
@elcactuar3354thank you for the opportunity…his explanation was great…I had a specific question about a specific console the PS5 slim but now that I think about it…the question is how will this work with the PS5 Pro?…some spec are out for it already👀
@hdtvtest what is the max birhgtness with BFI on? Is it still usable?
@hdtvtest Please review the Gigabyte Aorus FO32U2P
What is your verdict on the ASUS, MSI, & ALIENWARE 4K 240HZ OLED 32 inch monitors?
Don't agree that no HDR is understandable. If they know what is going to happen they should be adjusting the monitor output to compensate automatically. This just means that it is yet another BFI that is useless.
Given strobing and other deal-breaking issues, why do they keep adding this, especially with LCD TVs? Does anyone use BFI on any TV or Monitor other than for testing?
Any change to see Philips 908… you have had tendesy also to chow philips TV set from time to time.
Yes, a review would be very beneficial now that Philips have sent out a few firmware updates. We want to know if it's any better than when it was released, because back then it was way behind the other flagship TVs and yet it has so much potential with its Pentonic 1000 chip and MLA panel (plus Google TV and ambilight).
Can someone explain to me if OLED has near instant color change, why is it that the motion clarity isnt pixel perfect and how can black frame insertion increase the pixel count in motion.
google "why some oleds have motion blur" blurbusters explains it well. tldr it's because of pixel persistence g2g is not the only source of motion blur on a display. the longer a frame is held on the screen the more persistence blur you percieve. only way to reduce the frame hold time is with things like bfi or just increasing your refreshrate and framerate.
This is due to the sample and hold effect, inherent in LCD as well as OLED. Check out blur busters on that topic, for example
@@brett20000000009 Still I am a bit contradicted as how can it be that inserting a black pixel instead of another color increases the clarity, it is a color change either way.
@@Mirec2x ideally you would have a higher frame rate, and therefore be able to insert an extra full color frame. in the absence of this information, inserting a completely black frame is still beneficial, compared to inserting nothing.
@@Mirec2xit's all about how long a frame is held on the screen for. sample and hold displays hold a frame for the full frametime duration which at 60hz would be 16.7ms that would be your mprt and that dictates how much peristence blur you percieve(eye tracked motion blur).
The only way to reduce the frame visiblity time without increasing framerates and refreshrates is by inserting black inbetween the frames for example 60fps@120hz with black frames inbetween will reduce your mprt by half to 8.3ms mprt you have halfed the time each frame stays on the screen for which reduces frame smearing on your retina as you eyetrack motions on the screen. think about why crt's have insane motion clarity for 60fps content, because they have a very low frame visiblity time, it's why they flicker. the phospher is fading to black after each frame is scanned onto the screen. crt at 60hz has around 1ms mprt extremely low motion blur.
4K is blurrier in motion than even a 1080p clear picture. How is BFI not a bigger deal than it is???
I'd go back to my 1080p Asus monitor with perfect BFI if my strobelight app worked with Windows 10.
Could you do a vid on the CX failing pixels? A lot of owners like myself are finding the pixels along the top ofnthe screen are now dying. We have clusters of them forming and failing. Strange it's only across the top of the screen. Some other owners should check
I thought it was only Display Port that supported DSC. So HDMi Supports DSC aswell? 🤔
Yes, since HDMI 2.1.
A 1800R 34 Inch oled Monitor without a Fan is my Dream. 800R is to much for me.
Bro i can't imagine how is the image clarity in this thing
The same as 240hz oled lol
13:18 Less motionblur at 120FPS? We should stress that it's WAY WAY LESS motionblur than normal without BFI, even on the same or any OLED monitor. 120FPS + BFI should be equivalent to around 300+FPS of motion clarity on a normal monitor. And for free :) without fake frames, artifact, increased input lag etc etc
BFI reduces brightness so it's not free.. and increases input lag the review clearly states those two downsides among others. I think it's good that the feature exists though I personally wouldn't use it and would rather have 240Hz VRR and HDR
lol no that's not how it works with frame based bfi, frame based bfi can only reduce persistence up to max hz mprt. you need an oled like the c1 that supports hardware bfi to do lower mprt then max hz. c1 can do 2.7ms mprt for example
@@brett20000000009 Wait can the C1 go that low? From what I’ve read Motion Pro High at 120Hz only gets 3.2ms, unless that info’s wrong
My two year old Aorus FO48U with BFI: “am I a joke to you?”
Does that mean if I’m on Xbox series x would I still get that benefit of the BFI making it feel like I’m running on 240 or is that a strictly pc benefit
Samsung G8 have BFI for consoles (BFI does not work at standard source)
Please do a settings video for ps5 and xbox series x for the lgc3
If gamers can’t afford. Which monitors can least to buy? Just to be sure to test each monitors then will see.
27" 16:9 1440p 240Hz QD-OLED VRR, with good speakers like BenQ Mobiuz has remains my monitor holy grail.
I vote BAD. We can't test the motion blur because you don't use pursuit any screen on BFI enabled. 😕😕👎👎
for some reason i cant change the HDR brightness to 100% as my HDR is bugged on this monitor as others have experienced. I see you have yours at 90 and CAN change but mine is greyed out in HDR mode? Firmware 201 did nothing to fix this for me.
Half the point of having HDR available is to counteract the loss in brightness when using BFI in the first place geez..
The technology is not there for oled to have decent BFI this monitor is not worth the price if you care about motion clarity get a ULMB 2 monitor or a monitor with Dyac. I have a ULMB 2 capable monitor the ROG Swift 360Hz PG27AQN and motion clarity on that thing is the best thing ive seen come close to a crt monitor's clarity
If only the curvature is not that aggressive :( Keeping my 34" Predatox X34 then.
Didn't the Aorus 48 inch OLED "display" have BFI?
Oled is good but not enough to justify the high price and the risks of burning i will stick with my lg ultragear 32gr93u-b
VRR + HDR + 120Hz + 16:9 Ratio + without BFI = does it work?
Hello, the author and understanding people, please tell me whether it is worth turning on the Dynamic Tone Mapping function on LG C3 for more correct calibration, I can not decide on this function in any way. (In HDR mode)
@hdtvtest thanks for your awesome videos!
i have search the whole internet and i am wondering if we will get 21/10 38" OLED monitors with high refresh rate and minimal ms?
Where C4 42 inch?
I need to know if this one will include 144 hz
any lg cx oled has much better picture than these 4k 240 hz monitors, because they have a processor to correct the images. These monitors do not have any processing and even with a higher pixel pitch it is NOT clearer or better clarity regardless of the 4k with a 32'' screen. I repeat it does not look better than any lg oled. Positives about these 4k 32'' monitors is the display port for desktop waking up etc. Earc is super unstable.
@thang1742 if you think a tv have more charity then a 4k monitor at 32" then you are blind. Stop telling yourself lies.
You obviously do not know how tv's have superior processing of images and content. Monitors have none of these fyi. TH-cam and games are less sharp regardless of the pixel pitch. Go educate yourself and find out instead of talking non sense.@studior3dd
@thang1742 nonsense? I'm sitting right it front of it right now vs my 42" c3. You are obviously blind. There no argument.
The kind of BFI that creates fuzzy aura cloud artifacts?
GOATed
I hate the matte surface, I can control the light in my room, I cannot control how clear the monitors finish is. Which a gloss produces a better image/color transmission than matte does.
What we need: QD OLED, 480hz at 1440p/1080p, 240hz at 4k + the hardware/software (framegen) that can get those frames
Ultra wide or ultra short?