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Magic TV Top 8 of the Week: Cards We Wish Were Never Printed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
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TSG sits down with Luis Scott-Vargas in this week's Magic TV Top 8 to discuss the cards they wish they never saw. Tune in to found out the worst MTG Cards of all time, and which cards they wish were never printed!
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Who else watched this when it came out and stumbled upon it years later? I miss these old MTVs.
I find it funny that you could easily make another two, maybe three of these lists just using cards printed in the last year and a half.
oko be like “hey guys, i’m number 1 here”
snapcaster mage @ 17.50, liliana @ 15.00...
someone get me a time machine
ben fleck if you find that time machine you wanna run me a play set if each? Thanks buddy.
"Karn, Liberated: 8$"
me too thanks
oh yeah the first thing that comes to my mind when i obtain a time machine is earning 50 bucks on a piece of cardboard.
@@gnutscha Not really the point of the comment tho lol.
Lemme tell you about true duels in 95.
Boy, do we need an update on this in 2021
About the invisible stalker:
he is cleary undressing while he is engaging into a camp or something, so he is aware that he is seeable with that silly hat
No, whatever he is doing, he is getting naked first, and we are forced to assume something sexy will occur.
just seeing liliana and snapcaster mage at such prices is insane xD
Karn liberated $8 as a perfect example.
Another ten years and you'll finally realize that prices for cards that go above one Dollar are _literally_ insane.
that's not how this works
Still true now lol
Now either.... Snapcaster at $80 and Liliana at $110
To all of the people saying Jace mind sculptor should be number 1, or on this list at all, just remember that he is A LOT easier to deal with than an invisible stalker. A simple oblivion ring, lightning bolt, pithing needle, ratchet bomb will destroy or completely shut jace down. You can't do any of that, (except the ratchet bomb obviously) to an invisible stalker. THe fact its unblockable means you can pump the shit out of it without any worries, and it's human, so gets a shit tonn of bonuses from enchantments, other creatures and artifacts. Much harder to deal, and in a lot of cases, you just can't deal with it. Not every deck has a board wipe or a bonfire of the damned.
Jace in the Alara/Zendikar standard had something like 5 commonly-played answers to him, which weren't used exclusively as answers to him (maelstrom pulse, oblivion ring, pithing needle, other Jaces, the bloodbraid/blightning combo, etc...), he wasn't a menace when the format readily provided answers.
firedrake110 Was still banned form Standard though XD
When every answer rotated out at once, bad things happened
Jace dominated a format for a long time and that's why people wanted it on the list. Granted, some of the cards they mentioned are still frustrating to play against in any format, but Jace deserves an honorable mention for its role in almost killing Zendikar-Scars of Mirrodin Standard and basically making many tournaments have a $400-600 fee (the cost of 4 copies).
it seems like i got trolled by invisible stalker so many times :(
The invisible stalker is removing his clothes in the picture
1. Tolarian Academy
2. Mental Misstep
3. Umezawa's Jitte
4. Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero
5. Skullclamp
6. Seat of the Synod (Artifact Lands)
7. Bloodbraid Elf
8. Invisible Stalker
Honorable Mention: Sensei's Divining Top
I loved invisible stalker in my dimir deck during standard. Fog bank for defense and cyphers on stalker.
innistrad> theros
everytime.
Outside of transformations, because fuck being "officially" forced to use proxies.
Yagi
agreed....then again, most players play sleeved anyways, so
Carnassious
Yes, if the sleeves are completely black or with artwork (and the latter are prone to damage) and even then you might sometimes see the back. It's way safer to use proxies and if you have to use proxies for a mechanics to work, you know you did something wrong.
Yagi Or, you could use those checklist cards that have the regular back, but the front has a spot to check off the card it is.
Leet Wizard
Which are proxies.
True-Name Nemesis seems like a major mistake to me.
"How can we make a balanced version of Invisible Stalker?"
- "Make it cost an extra blue?"
"WOAH... Balanced, not NERFED."
- "Add two power?"
"No... needs more..."
- "Make it a Merfolk?"
"Great! It'll be perfect for Legacy and Vintage! Still needs more..."
- "More than hexproof and can't be blocked?"
"Yes."
- "Protection from a player?"
"Perfect! It'll be balanced because it would be bad in multiplayer!"
- "But it's going to..."
"PRINT IT!"
- "Ev..."
"PRINT IT NOW!"
dies to pyroclasm and similar effects. Easily blocked. Not unbalanced. Not even very good.
embarkingolive doesn't die to pyroclasm-protection from a source reduces all damage from that source to 0. However, a WoG-style effect would effect it. But I agree- it really sucks for all its hype. On the other hand, Toxic Deluge is a card I definitely agree is really quite underrated, as IMO it is the best kill spell. Pay 15 life and unequivocally kill every EDH-legal creature in the game for 3, barring counterspells.
embarkingolive you're either trolling or misinformed. true-name nemesis is unblockable
Katie N Mick Witt it was printed in a commander product in multiplayer commander its not that strong but in 1v1 formats its busted
Save Mean That's my main problem with TNN. If it was meant to be a multiplayer EDH experiment, why is it on such a cheap and fragile body? It would be leagues more appropriate for EDH if it were, like, a 6 mana 5/5 Sphinx. That way, it isn't a complete joke against the players who aren't named by it. But it's not; it was deliberately pushed for Legacy, and in such a way that makes it completely laughable in multiplayer formats. It was a multiplayer experiment that was deliberately botched to push it in 1v1, where it is not fun in the slightest to play against.
And, well, Isochron Scepter was also very frustrating to play against.
$8 for karn... damn I wish I was back in 2012
I remember when I was first starting to deck build I was going to buy a couple of Karn for 12$ a piece but thought it was too expensive. If only I had known.
Modern might have only just been created and people were doing far more busted things than T3 Karn back during New Phyrexia.
@ThisIsMyRealName T3 Karn ain't busted. Also, Karn would most likely have been ~$16 so still cheap.
I'd love to see TSG and LSV again. The dynamic they had was way better than tashi + anybody else.
@Lamp Boi I was around the whole time that was a thing. He was selling eldrazi on ebay and they caught him by ordering stuff from him and comparing it against CFBs inventory. Idk what TSG was thinking.
I got incredibly exited when I saw the Liliana of the Veil prices at $15.00 on the bottom of the screen... Then I looked at the date. How depressing.
I want to go back in time and show them True-name Nemesis, see what they think...
Juan Chaguaceda What's wrong with True-name Nemisis?
It's just hilariously more powerful than the card they mention, the unblockable hexproof 1/1
Juan Chaguaceda Invisible stalker was standard and modern legal, and only on this list because it was annoying, not broken.
Nemisis is a legacy card, and not a very played one, though merfolk usually runs 1-2
Juan Chaguaceda Did you play standard when this was around? Asking because nothing hurt more than your opponent playing the Stalker turn 2. You can't kill it except for mass removal, it is simply impossible. Also, when this and ethereal armor were both legal, it was nuts. True-name nemesis only saw a widespread play for a month or two.
Taste of blood got rid of Stalker. There tended to be only the one on board anyway.
Stalker was never by himself. It was always Stalker, equip Sword of War and Peace, hit you for 9 and I gain 4.
How did Golgari Grave Troll and the entire Dredge mechanic not make this list?
I miss these videos! I hope LSV comes back for commentary since the PT is returning. :D
these poor sods not knowing that pack rat was coming....
This list would be a wild ride today.
OMG everyone I knew left Magic during Skullclamp and Affinity. It sucked.
PS The Invisible Stalker is in the middle of undressing.
I totally would've put the Divining Top at #1. That card was my first thought when I saw this title.
I didn't think about invisible stalker that way before but now that you guys mentioned it makes a lot of sense. If they don't draw the runechanter's pike he's just a crappy 1/1 creature, but if they do you die in two-three turns.
remember Jitte was so popular that all RATS NEST decks were busted open just for that card. deck could be bought for $12. card only was worth $15 before going up.
I made a deck based around Invisible Stalker. The idea is to put auras on it. Boost it's power and give it lifelink and the game is yours.
+greenghost2008 Interesting! And how was that? did you tested it? did it fare well?
+greenghost2008 That's what I done with blighted stalker lol.
Basically the moment invisible stalker gets lifelink it is an autowin. Several times the other player will concede the moment they found out it has lifelink.
Lets go blues baby!
lgb!
Invisible Stalker should have had Shroud instead of Hexproof imo
Then it would have sucked
I agree, it would give it more flavor as well.
Mos Maskinen Bad cards are better than broken ones, especially broken ones that are pretty much completely uniteractable
I miss Invisible Stalker with cypher in standard. It wasn't great but everyone hated me for it.
My opponent: "I'll O-ring your Stolen Identity"
Me: "You can't, It's not an enchantment. it's on the creature itself"
My opponent: "..."
Me: "ATTACK OF THE CLONES!!!"
Rebazar true name nemesis
Bridge from Below and Jace the Mindsculptor aren't on the list? How?
As someone who has played top for years, I agree with LSV that "people should just play faster." Only I'm not joking. Know what your deck does and play people.
*****
You don't understand the point at all. There is a huge difference between thinking and slow play. Know what your deck is supposed to do, look at your top three and make a decision.
The story I Heard was Skull Clamp was supposed to be +1/+1 but they thought that would be too good and wanted to "balance" it and make it +1/-1. They were also new to this whole equipment design.
Changing it to +1/-1 went horribly right...
Really, there was not a single "nerf", which could have broken it more than that -1.
naphackDT lol, put it on a 1/1 for two cards....... ridiculous........ luckily I wasn't in standard to see that bloodbath...
Stalker may be annoying during phyrexia I think Blighted Agent trumps it. Unblockable plus poison, by 5th turn I usually had mine boosted to +3 to +5 and that is already when they had 2/3 poisons on them.
+Paul it was basicly a core part of my dimir deck in standard. Perfect candidate for ciphers. fog bank for creature defense. The only thing that prevented Stalker from being a monster in the any format is board clear. supreme verdict or black sun zenith, so many saw play.
snapcaster and liliana can I buy for less than 20 now pls
That's on the top 8 list of cards we wish WOULD be printed and then actually got printed. Starring Patrick Chapin.
Man, the LSV glowup is so real lmao
Geist of Saint Traft wasn't an issue in limited, as opposed to Invisible Stalker.
They should rename this "8 cards you need a play set off now"
pretty much lol
I loved playing my Blue/white Invisible stalker, puresteel paladin deck, using all the swords x 4 .. maybe not the most effective but so much fun!
I feel like LSV's opinion on Tolarian Academy has changed slightly
I agree with LSV about Top. You shouldn't be allowed to play with it if you're slow. But since I play at an adequate or better pace, I should be allowed to play with it.
I wonder how different this list would look now in 2020
Easy Uro at #1.
WTF algorithm?
Great vid, too bad things turned out the way they did with TSG, he was clearly the best foil for LSV in these vids.
It's mainly from in-practise myself. Usually I had a couple Belerens in my sideboard in case I played against someone with Mind Sculptor, though. I've always won with Mind Sculptor out, though. (Usually had a card that said I had to skip my draw phase and could only draw only when I played a spell.) That and in one of my own decks, I know how to deck someone in one turn. If I used Mind Sculptor in it instead of Beleren, it wouldn't have worked. At all.
What, no Storm Crow? That shit is OP asf in drafts.
Seems interesting, but then I can't really tell, because I have not studied tournament strategies for ages. I play my friends regularly, but I can't follow most of this. It wouldn't take much to briefly explain the combos (and showing them on-screen) you are referring to instead of just abbreviating them.
Invisible Stalker just bugs the hell out of me... because the rain is going right through him.
I always think TSG looks like Glenn Shadix, who played Otho in Beetlejuice.
Yessss
I actually liked Skullclamp era affinity because it was slightly slower than post ban affinity (and cranial plating) - my Mind's Desire Deck could actually compete. Not after the Plating however.
This is such an early cycle that they have learned from, but the alpha dual Lands are stupid good. Especially them being searchable makes them just the best Lands period.
Make another video with an updated list, please
What a difference 8 years can make.
@@Vitomazzarino I bet half will be from 2019
I swear Lin-Sivvi is on every top 8 list.
@xx415pato7xx456 Some counterspells say that you can target an ability, but if it only says "Counter target spell" or something similar, then you can only counter a creature the moment it is summoned (or, of course, any other spell).
Regeneration does not couse summoning sickness, because what it does is that it removes the damage and then taps the creature. It doesn't go to the graveyard and then come back, which also means it keeps all counters and/or auras/equipments on it.
You've made this comment more than a year after this video was made. At the time, Invisible Stalker auto won almost every limited tournament, and it was brutal in MageBlade decks, when they were running Stalker, Geist, and Swords.
>.>. As a dredge player (who never got to see those days) id have put one of the old dredge cards on that list- Even though i get the feeling they will NEVER give us that mechanic again. what about mind sculptor, the blades of New Phyrexia?, heck, Necropotence?
Although i get chuckles sometimes when i play an innistrad era card at my friend who came back during RTR. he hates nearly all of them.
LOL I thought they were joking with invisible stalker and then gonna go BTW Jace.
i would like an update to this list.
Watching this in 2015 if they made this top 8 now. Wonder , if treasure cruise would be on it? My vote days yes
top 8 flavor texts would be awesome.
""i have no master. i am chaos!" - maraxus of keld
Man mirrodin was such a fun mess all around. All the bloody eternal witness decks that cropped up after affinity and KCI left the format. It's fun trying to deal with infinite tooth and nails and rude awakenings.
no winter orb?
I got a question:
Whenever the opponent uses an ability can I use counter spell to target it or does it only work exclusively when they summon it?
Do regenerated creatures have summoning sickness?
haha the guy on the left is a Jeff Gerstmann doppelganger
Innistrad is the best draft format and so many cool sweet decks and they all lose to the stupid combo of Butcher's Cleaver + Invisible Stalker. Honestly, Travel prep was sort of annoying, but invisible starker is the most frustrating card in MTG
@LSV would you suggest the art of invisible stalker should be a picture of a wall?
The ripple of a footstep in a puddle of water would be better
Just came here to give this video a thumbs-up for the Blues jersey.
Actually huge mana wasn't always broken because back in the days if mana burn you had to be careful or you'd fry yourself doing that stuff.
Why do I see Gravecrawler at 0:00? Is this a sign? Honorable mention?
if invisible stalker has a weapon, like u guys said. it will be extra hard to block it in real life lol. imagine a floating weapon... u can't predict which direction its gonna hit coz u don't see the motion of the body. it's also extra hard coz u dunno what the other arm is doing. maybe it's already coming and about to poke ur eyes befor the death blow. lol
and yes, looks like invisible stalker is about to take of his clothes so he's not a floating coat and silly hat. lol good episode :)
Hey, go to 0:00 and look in the bottom right corner, is that grave crawler?
I so agree on invisible stalker. Its either worthless or a free win. It should have had shroud and not hexproof.
I think invisible stalker is wearing that hat because he's Paul Revere. And he uses equipment because he's a silversmith.
Once I saw Seat of the Synod in the thumbnail, my mind went "AFINITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
How broken tolerian academy + 6 1 cost artifacts + mirror universe, activate = opponent screwed unless he has shatter disenchant or something simuliar in his hand at the time.
How did you search these 8 out? There are so many cards which are worse!
I also like bloodbraid elf and I don't think either of the top 2 is nearly as unfair as they're making it out to be. This list is a little more subjective though and so it's easy to see why personal bias plays more heavily here. He probably just played against those two cards a lot recently.
Delver, Umezawa's Jitte, Mental Misstep, Jace TMS, just to name a few ...
the stalker is undressing himself as you can clearly see on the jacket ...so much for the fluff flaw ;)
Holy hell these old prices
Isn't imperial armor the best card ever for limited since it was common?
Invisible Stalker + Cypher= OMG
It’s weird that LSV looks younger in 2020 then in this vid. The beard helped alot
If invisible stalker is bad, what is Geist of Saint Traft then..?
Necropotence should have been on this list, it ruined an entire season of type 2.
Vexing Devil is a 4 damage to target player for 1 mana burn spell. The most you can have is 4. 4 x 4 = 16 and is still not enough to kill your opponent. He is not broken. Good for RDW but not broken. Odds are you will only get 1 or 2 devils in a game anyway.
I praise Gregson for rocking his Shattenkirk jersey. LETS GO BLUES!!!
Thanks--I'll be using that phrase the next time I play against that miserable, game-killing card. I think the only reason it didn't make the list is that LSV is such a blue groupie. Whether or not it's really "broken," it actually makes MTG a boring, pointless game just by being on the board. And as you say, it's the most obvious stalling tactic anybody's ever seen--I virtually never play against CT without going to turns, and my meta is full of extremely skilled players.
I thought invisible stalker would be delver of secrets.
i wonder how many cards they would add to this list right now! XD
I drafted innistrad yesterday and destroyed someone with turn 2 stalker , turn 3 and 4 double spectral flight.... my opponent wanted to rip his hair out
I couldn't agree more on invisible stalker. Hexproof on an unblockable guy. Were they trying to piss ppl off?
to all of you wondering about why some cards aren't on the list. List is: Card we wish were never printed.... It is not: Cards that probably shouldn't have been printed...
"Invisible Stalker is just busted."
I hope LSV remembers this while complaining about Thragtusk.
@Nimbleroo Library of Alexandria. Pretty much autowin if they can't remove it.
uh..if you happen to have one. If not, you take 6, and only 1 to the invisible stalker. And if you go to town with enchantments, then a wrath just owns yah.
Invisible Stalker gets a whole lot less annoying with boss Miracle sweepers like Bonfire of the Damned.
SPOILER
Totally agree with no. 1 btw. IIRC it was revealed not long after an article/comment about being careful about printing cards that reduce interactivity. OH THE IRONY >:(
wishing for new episodes
The invisible stalker is clearly disrobing in the picture.
What do yo think would have happened if thoughtseize cost 1 Black Phyrexian mana?
Not a ton, tbh. It's still a sorcery, and the most damage you'll do is maybe getting two cards out of your opponents hand on turn one. If you're lucky, you could get rid of 5 of their cards, but keep in mind, it'll cost 4 life every time you cast a Thoughtseize for 0, and JUND already brings itself down to 17 on turn 1(usually), and going to 13 first turn isn't really worth the extra card.