Lets watch a $21,000.00 Magic The Gathering Deal happen in Las Vegas

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  • Behind the scenes with the some of the greatest men/women investors around the world.
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    Rudy's Magic Store
    10950-60 San Jose Blvd.
    Box # 139
    Jacksonville, FL 32223

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  • @vintagemagic
    @vintagemagic 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2951

    Everyone. We offered this nice lady around 35k in 2015. She passed. My wife and I had breakfast with her in 2016, offered here around 25k, she passed. Now, she decided to sell. She offered to SCG, they wanted to open the cards from grading to check if they were REAL. This is a perfect example of timing and making a decision best for your life. Markets change too, another lesson to learn.

    • @maras3naraz
      @maras3naraz 7 ปีที่แล้ว +468

      So, you just took advantage of her situation. Moreover you tried to go back to 20,750 after you agreed for 21k.

    • @ramses7309
      @ramses7309 7 ปีที่แล้ว +281

      Vintage MTG yeah feels are great and all but a business is a business. Most of these kids crying don't realize that this bitching is akin to watching an NBA game and saying buh buh that wouldn't be a foul in my local street pick up game... there's rules and levels to this shit

    • @Volair
      @Volair 7 ปีที่แล้ว +532

      +maras3naraz I don't think he took advantage of the situation. He's saying that the cards are no longer worth 34k they are worth 21k, due to the market. They might jump back up in price, or drop. If he had bought them 2 years ago and was unable to sell them, he'd lost 9k himself. Buying and selling collectibles is a gamble, similar to stock markets. Both are taking a risk. Next year these cards could be worth less than 15k, or go back up to 30k.

    • @professormobius
      @professormobius 7 ปีที่แล้ว +244

      As the saying goes: timing is everything. Welcome to investing. Did she lose $14k in value? Nope, the market lost that value. If she made the deal, she must have been accepting of the price paid. Maybe in two years that collection will be worth $70k, or $5k. Investing in physical assets often and unfortunately triggers sellers remorse. Vintage didn't take advantage of anything. He made an offer every year for three years and it was this year an offer was accepted. Don't blame smart business for being smart.

    • @ExtremeMusicPromotion
      @ExtremeMusicPromotion 7 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      Daniels always been shady if ou people havent noticed. But what investor isnt? Youre not there to make friends, youre there to make money.

  • @bs838
    @bs838 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2834

    I feel like the only real winners in all this are the grading companies

    • @L0j1k
      @L0j1k 7 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Same thing on the stock market, except instead of grading companies, it's the exchanges.

    • @timoschwarbe2086
      @timoschwarbe2086 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Mostly they are. Otherwise, there business wouldn't exist that long. But these companies also made a lot of people rich or at least richer. There are people out there, that became multiple millionaires. And a lot of people that easily made more than 100k of just a few cards of paper. It is incredible. The thing that amazes me the most is, that some cards can go so easy for 15k+. Sport, Magic or specific Pokemon cards. And not even talking about cards sold for 50k+ or even 100k+. These grading companies for sure have there part in making this possible. But there is a bit of "scamminess" surrounding grading and especially the grading process. I mean PSA is so untransparent, it is unbelieveable, that the majority of the people never spoke up about this.

    • @horsebones727
      @horsebones727 7 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      PSA would grade your grammar a generous 4/10.

    • @user-kf6vv2qq1h
      @user-kf6vv2qq1h 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Only true winners - WoC. They can easly make some pieces drasticly drop in price by reprinting them.

    • @SubaruWRXspdManual
      @SubaruWRXspdManual 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Александр Миранович they won't ever reprint those cards though. They're on the reserve list.

  • @AffinityforMTG
    @AffinityforMTG 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3290

    The MTG investor lifestyle, spend 21k on cardboard, go home and eat .99 cent tacos.

    • @leesalt
      @leesalt 7 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Affinity for MTG "investor."

    • @AffinityforMTG
      @AffinityforMTG 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Y'know, the MTG have-money peoples.

    • @thormosebar74
      @thormosebar74 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yeah and there soggy floppy tacos with ground up
      Greed monster.

    • @thormosebar74
      @thormosebar74 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ehm!!!

    • @GRat9717
      @GRat9717 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      .99 cent floppy tacos.

  • @breadleywheatler9242
    @breadleywheatler9242 7 ปีที่แล้ว +764

    I can't even afford to look at this video.

  • @TheDude90100
    @TheDude90100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    20k for two Alpha Lotuses? That would be an absolute bargain today.

    • @Mike0071
      @Mike0071 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      graded alpha lotuses

    • @liltimmyspeashooter
      @liltimmyspeashooter 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Mike0071 The difference between a BGS 7 and a raw one in good shape is negligible. Grading doesn't add huge value unless you are getting 9+

  • @Blade332
    @Blade332 7 ปีที่แล้ว +279

    Rudy was just sitting there... "If you don't buy it, I'm gonna."

    • @truenewsglobal
      @truenewsglobal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Mike Nelson hell ya he was

  • @Chadly1179
    @Chadly1179 7 ปีที่แล้ว +396

    Thankfully Dan's negotiation skills are stronger than his dance moves.

  • @tiresome20
    @tiresome20 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Watching in 2022- this is easily half a million in cards. The 9.5 alpha lotus she said she has at home is probably 200-300k minimum

  • @rickv5004
    @rickv5004 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    wow watching this in 2022, that 85 alpha black lotus is worth 50k alone, for the lot its probably in area of 300-400k in todays prices, not a bad return for initial 21k

    • @johnny7121
      @johnny7121 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yeah but charizard is worth more

    • @MetalFingerzz
      @MetalFingerzz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@johnny7121 Garbage comment do shrooms

    • @TheGoldenBoot-cz1do
      @TheGoldenBoot-cz1do ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MetalFingerzz sure shrooms are fun

    • @Marquis_de_Nah
      @Marquis_de_Nah ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lol there are probably handful people on earth who actually have $50k and would be willing to spend it on a magic card..... you don't stay rich by being a fool

    • @jdmasterjoe
      @jdmasterjoe ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnny7121 Garbage comment do shrooms

  • @Mijal15
    @Mijal15 7 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    This was 10x more interesting than I was expecting. Actually learned a lot.

    • @wuschelbeutel
      @wuschelbeutel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Interesting, the cards also 10x'ed in price since this comment was written 🙂

  • @TheRussianGenius
    @TheRussianGenius 7 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I thought the title said $21 million. I skipped a lot throughout the video, but this is really interesting actually!

    • @kaitain7595
      @kaitain7595 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shit, been 3 years and thought the same when I glanced. Still a fun upload.

    • @Silver-Freddy
      @Silver-Freddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same lol cheeky move adding the .00 but respec cuz it drew me in

  • @C4Explosion00
    @C4Explosion00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I’ve been to a number of grimy silver and gold pawn shops and it’s all the same. Shady shady shady. He knows he’s looking at a gold mine that he’s going to sell for triple in 2 years, yet haggles over $250. She says what the stack of rares is worth and he doesn’t even listen to her, going so far as to not even look at the cards. It’s a business and he’s gotta make money, but don’t pretend like he’s not taking advantage of the situation. These kind of people are incapable of having friends anywhere adjacent to their business; everyone is just another opportunity for them.

    • @JopeSane
      @JopeSane 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can't say that he knew it would be worth in few years. He assumed they would go up but there is no guarantee for it. If there was, no one would sell until it goes up. But that is not how the market works. Don't feel there is anything shady going on here, just business, other than calling Volcanic and bazaars "fluff". Often you do your profits with the fluff. Pay full price for the high end stuff and get a ton of "fluff" to sell.

  • @trevorscheer7544
    @trevorscheer7544 7 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    I love your vids, and this is easily one of the most interesting that you've posted. More of this Rudy. More of this indeed.

  • @jonasdash
    @jonasdash 7 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    it was a good deal for both because she got what she felt was a fair price. However, I think it's pretty clear that Daniel thought the stack of cards was trash bulk until he picked through it and realized it would be easily moved for $1,000+

    • @blusafe1
      @blusafe1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Maybe, but it comes across as a negotiation tactic imo. Put down the product and once other party has been slogged down by emotion, you compliment them a little. Probably not even realizing he's doing this.

    • @Syne111
      @Syne111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This will haunt her dreams and the dreams of her children for the rest of their lives.

  • @kirbygriffin778
    @kirbygriffin778 7 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    Notice how fast he pulled the trigger after noticing the rares?

    • @christopherbownes494
      @christopherbownes494 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      He knew what was there. He acted like he didn't so it didn't make him look like an asshole for going back down to 20.5 from 21.

    • @ainzooalgown9219
      @ainzooalgown9219 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      kirby griffin yea that card worth 2k atleast

    • @shaolin_tcg4727
      @shaolin_tcg4727 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah he knew that was a good scoop

    • @RockinBoz
      @RockinBoz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yup. Dude KNOWS at that point it wasn’t a good deal. He haggled her down to theft prices and “assumed she had shit cards” in the pile. She was trying to be fair. Which is what you actually do in a business deal. If you want return business. Ya get your edge, your percentages, but don’t steal from people.

    • @sean-pc4wr
      @sean-pc4wr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      This guy is full of shit

  • @xapemanx
    @xapemanx 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    sketchy guy on the side was like.... "there's 21 grand sitting right in front of me"

    • @shankzula6332
      @shankzula6332 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol I dont think he would of made it out the building. Surrounded by a 100s of nerds.

    • @pureleaf6686
      @pureleaf6686 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ya, definitely sketchy! He was contemplating it...

  • @deankardas
    @deankardas 7 ปีที่แล้ว +445

    damn mtg lion really let himself go

  • @danuwatwantha4489
    @danuwatwantha4489 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1192

    Asian Guy: $250 difference really?
    Girl: I'm jewish of course thats a big deal!
    LMAOOO

    • @mrcool76789
      @mrcool76789 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@gabrielperez8093 he had the same mentality, he wasn't willing to go 250 up right away either

    • @iAmIronMan0605
      @iAmIronMan0605 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Never heard a truer statement

    • @xandercorp6175
      @xandercorp6175 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@gabrielperez8093 And what kind of mentality you have, to throw $250 away just to smooth the deal over.

    • @jungy9001
      @jungy9001 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      oy vey!

    • @blue_diamond_gem
      @blue_diamond_gem 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wow, when stereotypes come to life 😂

  • @kseries1981
    @kseries1981 5 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    "And I'll buy you dinner"
    Smooth.

    • @17thstateoutdoors46
      @17thstateoutdoors46 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      bro they are both married 😂

    • @DarkestValar
      @DarkestValar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It was a floppy tacos dinner anyway

    • @phothewin6019
      @phothewin6019 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I don't think he meant it in a romantic way, mate.

    • @edu.monstrik
      @edu.monstrik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That´s what I call, a low-cost strategie. Very effective, btw!

    • @wmurray003
      @wmurray003 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tube steak with a side of mash potatoe, and apple juice to wash it all down 😎

  • @vic123
    @vic123 7 ปีที่แล้ว +258

    I'm not sure why I clicked this video, I don't know a thing about MTG lol

    • @codeninja1832
      @codeninja1832 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Vic
      You fell into the trap. I was the same way a few months ago until I found Rudy and now I have some cards and starting to play a bit.

    • @panic5306
      @panic5306 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      NEVER WATCH MTG VIDEOS AGAIN mtg is a drug. as you saw he spent 21k on cardboard and so would I. TCG games are dangerous. for your wallet.

    • @Gods_God
      @Gods_God 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@panic5306 Not always, I bought some cards at a yard sale for 5 bucks, not even looking through the whole book, turns out I have a few worth over 30 bones, some valued at over 100 (OLD split lands). It can be lucrative (though I don't intend to sell) if you look in the right places. It was only after I started following Alpha Investments that I realized I was sitting on a decent profit.

    • @panic5306
      @panic5306 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      God's God you sir got very many lucky

    • @Gods_God
      @Gods_God 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Always gotta keep one eye open, friend. Also I make sure to tap out for luck counters every morning

  • @truenewsglobal
    @truenewsglobal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Wow....what a deal. Talk about a return in 2019!

  • @thevintagevaluesexperience4302
    @thevintagevaluesexperience4302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    2017: $20k on cards? That's alot of money.
    2020: $20k on cards? That's called a Tuesday.

    • @bullet3020
      @bullet3020 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why is he haggling?

    • @venice2823
      @venice2823 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bullet3020 Are you kidding?

  • @mainmanallan4295
    @mainmanallan4295 4 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    20k for two alpha lotuses in 2020 would have been a great bargin

    • @Anthony-qu7qd
      @Anthony-qu7qd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Im watching this thinking how great of a deal it is

    • @robotickidx
      @robotickidx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I mean fuck... just that Arabians knight set is like 7k+ now

    • @McLOVIN_456
      @McLOVIN_456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is a really good deal yeah 😅

    • @Bnguyen276
      @Bnguyen276 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      21k for two lotus is a good bargain. You can sell one . Basically if he sells it now it’s buy one get one free. Black border are more expensive that white border espexiallly for 10.. they are going for hundreds of thousands.

    • @vengefulspirit99
      @vengefulspirit99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This was Rudy putting on his triangle hat and buying up the market again.

  • @tricksonafixed
    @tricksonafixed 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    5:06 the guy on the left wearing the Lodestone Coffee & Games T-Shirt is what's up! Best local game store in Minnesota hands down.

  • @edstuff1198
    @edstuff1198 7 ปีที่แล้ว +467

    It is quite obvious that many people commenting here don't know much about business. Many folks are focusing on retail, not wholesale prices. With those kinds of cards Daniel will be sitting on that inventory for quite a while, getting 0% return on his 21 K. In the meantime, the market might go up, it might go down, he is carrying the risk. In addition he has his overhead to pay all this time. Try thinking in these terms. You go to a reputable jeweler and buy a D color, flawless GIA graded 1 carat diamond (basically a 'perfect' diamond) engagement ring for your lady. You haggle a bit and get the ring for $22,000. A month later, you and the lady have a big argument, she pulls the ring off, throws it at you and storms out. You go back to the jeweler and tell him he can buy it back from you for 20 K. The jeweler laughs and says the best he can offer you is $7,000. But, you say, I paid 22 K for it. The jeweler shrugs and says, yeah, so what, I am running a business here not a charity. That's how business works, especially on high end, luxury (essentially useless) products. You don't stay in business by buying high and selling low. Huge retailers like WalMart work on very high volume and low margins and they are the exceptions. Daniel didn't do anything different than any other small business owner would do. If you think it is so easy to make a killing, go ahead and open a small business and get back to me.

    • @Morgormir
      @Morgormir 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Soak Ed A diamond is a bad example, and so are many "luxury products". I'd say it's important to point out that artificial rarity =/= actual rarity. Also most luxury items (diamonds, gold, precious stones and metals) preserve their value because they have intrinsic value. Cardboard is just cardboard, and will only fetch these prices as long as someone is interested in paying these prices. You make it sound simple, but it isn't.

    • @edstuff1198
      @edstuff1198 7 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      I understand your point but I think you missed mine. I was trying to show the disparity between 'retail price' and 'wholesale price', which I think my example shows well. As far as "intrinsic value", that is a whole another discussion. In my opinion, there is little difference between diamonds, which are nothing but pure carbon or MTG cards which are nothing but cardboard. Both are essentially useless. Using your standard of 'rarity', actually, it is far easier to find a D color, flawless, 1 carat diamond on the market than it is to find a BGS 10 Alpha Black Lotus. The former number in the millions, the later in double digits at best. There is much more "artificial rarity" in the gemstone market than you are led to believe. Remember the DeBeers Company's famous marketing slogan "A Diamond is Forever"? It's true. Almost every diamond that has ever been mined is still out there, even if it is at the bottom of a lake somewhere, diamonds are hard to destroy. Every day, the world's supply of diamonds grows by thousands of carats. The world's supply of gem quality diamonds far exceeds the demand, so the market is tightly controlled by the producers to sustain the high prices. There are currently about 500 million carats of gem quality diamonds in the world. Most precious metals and gemstones only have intrinsic value because of their beauty and relative rarity, and humans have decided to value them as such. Some precious metals have a value to industry such as gold, silver, and industrial grade diamonds because of their physical properties. Furthermore, diamonds are a very good illustration of my point because of the large mark-up between the wholesale price and the retail price, just like MTG cards. In the jewelry business, the standard mark-up is 100% and can often be as high as 300%, particularly for very expensive, high quality, gold and gemstone jewelry. Gold on the other hand has a very small markup for gold coins or bullion because of the widely accepted value of pure gold, and its use as a widely traded benchmark commodity,its use in industry, as well as its historical position as a highly liquid, valuable, easily obtainable commodity that has a generally recognized value. Pure gold is pure gold and you can buy an ounce of it at the benchmark daily price plus a small fee for the transaction. You can buy an ounce of gold one day for an amount slightly above the daily price and sell it back later to the same dealer for slightly lower than the daily price. Diamonds, like magic cards, vary widely in terms of quality and the market is sometimes volatile. It would be even more so if the diamond cartel didn't tightly control the price of diamonds and it regulates the market by adjusting how many diamonds of various sizes and qualities it releases to the market monthly, in some ways very similar to how WoTC controls the manufacture, distribution, and relative rarity of MTG cards. It is interesting to note that the modern market for gem quality diamonds was virtually invented by the DeBeers company in the early 1900s. Although not the primary force in the diamond trade that it was in the 1980s when it controlled 90% of the market, DeBeers still has a huge influence on the price of gem quality diamonds. The bottom line is, as Rudy often points out, human emotion plays a big part in the trading of any product that has no actual value, only a purely arbitrary one that various factors have assigned to it. There never was and there will never be a completely 'logical' reason for buying and trading gem quality diamonds or MTG cards other than human emotion, be it nostalgia, desire, or a business decision. My main point still stands that there is a big difference between the 'buy' price and the 'sell' price, be it MTG cardboard or gem quality diamonds. Other than the basic necessities of life; food, clothing and shelter, almost everything thing in the world has an arbitrary, subjective value that we have decided to assign to assign to it for whatever reason, most of them completely illogical and driven by emotions.

    • @fin101m
      @fin101m 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But MTG cards are artificial rarity if Wizards wanted the new duel decks could be legacy championship decks

    • @kurtilein3
      @kurtilein3 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The intrinsic value of diamonds is a myth, it is more real for the noble metals. Diamonds are kept artificially rare by a company that used to buy 90% to 95% of global rough production and selling only 5% of that. The other 95% are in vaults at De Beers. They also are credited for the best marketing campaign in history: Invention of the diamond engagement ring and coining the slogan "Diamonds are forever". Now their market share in buying rough diamond from mines is down to 60%, maybe even below 50%, and lab grown diamonds pressure the market. It could go bust any minute, its hanging by a thread. Ruby of gem quality with a nice red color is an order of magnitude rarer than diamond of gem quality with a nice white, but also an order of magnitude cheaper. So the price is artificial. I am a hobby collector of diamonds, i only buy synthetics now, not simulants, i buy the synthetics that are the same material and hardness and that will test as real with any testing method except emission spectroscopy. (Only fluorescence is different).

    • @kurtilein3
      @kurtilein3 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I am a hobby diamond collector and i only buy synthetics right now, and i agree, the market is as soft as the market for rare MTG cards. For natural diamonds it is even softer. But in both cases you are wrong about the wholesale price strucure, the profit margins are small. Jewellers just rob you blind, same is true for single MTG cards bought over the counter at card shops. More realistic prices are found in the wholesale, online and peer-to-peer markets, with margins for professionals as low as 10% to 20%.

  • @L0j1k
    @L0j1k 7 ปีที่แล้ว +441

    "You want 20, but I'll give you 10... No? Okay, I'll meet you in the middle: 12." -- Daniel, Taco Mathematician

    • @davidgzmn12345
      @davidgzmn12345 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      More like "two years ago i offered 34, now its not worth it. Ill give you 20" "give me 25" "nah" "meet in the middle with 22.50?"

    • @zyxiarigau5528
      @zyxiarigau5528 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +leon H dude, you do not know how many videos on youtube I've seen with you in the comments.

    • @srestharakesh2174
      @srestharakesh2174 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      So you don't know how negotiations work

    • @fakshen1973
      @fakshen1973 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A dealer has to be able to offer cards at or lower than the market value. If he can turn over the entire set for a few thousand dollars he'll probably take the offer. Offer him $26,000 for the set all at once and he'd be thinking about it. Getting his money out of it immediately and making a few thousand or trying to hold on to it, part it out, try and sell enough of it to get his money back and not be left with a pile of "junk" cards which aren't worth the time to sell.
      There aren't a lot of buyers with $30,000 to throw down on card game pieces that lose their value if you use them.

  • @un_cog9677
    @un_cog9677 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This was super interesting, those cards where beautiful, and the people seem cool.

  • @tartuffethespry
    @tartuffethespry ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Pros: she bought a house just before the boom....Cons: she sold Alpha cards just before the boom

    • @23evulp8
      @23evulp8 ปีที่แล้ว

      She still got a quarter mil probably in that 9.5

  • @mO3fnMon3y
    @mO3fnMon3y 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    this episode is great You should do more of these deals when your store opens, like they do in the show "comic book men"

  • @mchase4
    @mchase4 5 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Time to pick up grading as a side job

  • @lucasklingberg9551
    @lucasklingberg9551 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Very very interesting. Thanks to the asian fella for explaining everything for us casuals. Great vid. I haven't touched a magic card since Urzas saga, now i kinda want to collect again.

    • @carlschneider4229
      @carlschneider4229 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ditto; got out around Urza's, but am quickly getting sucked back in 2020.

    • @Hypnostedon
      @Hypnostedon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you start collecting though?

  • @kungfu31
    @kungfu31 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    From a guy who can’t buy a damn tropical Island because I’m broke... this is a wild fucking ride.

    • @gibsongs23
      @gibsongs23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Buy proxys from China. It's what lots of people do.
      If you mixed with original cards is hard to notice...

  • @smoothmedia
    @smoothmedia 7 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    oh yeah, well i've got a shiny rare so there

  • @slayerdemin
    @slayerdemin 7 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    and here i debate on buying a card for $14. I'll never have $21,000 to spend on cards lol. but that was a deal i would have done if i had that much money.

    • @Shatamx
      @Shatamx 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Same. I finally bought my self a play set of Arid Mesa when the re print came out. Even then I felt like an asshole paying that much money for cardboard. Vintage stuff still baffles me.

    • @CodeProvider
      @CodeProvider 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      but damnation was reprinted. it's like $7

    • @moldytaters4190
      @moldytaters4190 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dante Virgil Dude, same 😂😂😂

    • @EndZiiel
      @EndZiiel 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      How dare you not have 21,000 dollars for a few pieces of cardboard!

    • @High5748
      @High5748 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shatamx MTG card market is really werid, it's like after watching this I decided to look through my collection. The most valuable card I have is a foil Marrow Gnawer from the kamigawa block but my promo ink-eyes from betrayers prerealease has no value. But the none foils of the same card does....It's just werid.

  • @elmerluzero3puertastechito501
    @elmerluzero3puertastechito501 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don't know anything about magic, but I love this VIDEO...I love watching negotiations.

  • @Espere
    @Espere 7 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    -"wow, 250$"
    -"I'm Jewish, ofc it's a big deal"

  • @xtraflo
    @xtraflo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've been watching All of these Alpha videos for the past 20 or so hours. I must have been living under a Rock for the past 10 years because I had NO idea that these cards were were going for these prices...

  • @josephvillafuerte4107
    @josephvillafuerte4107 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I feel silly sometimes buying singles for 20...but man! never imagined this level of intensity and passion for the game haha

  • @MrFuggleGuggle
    @MrFuggleGuggle 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    >When you spend your paper just to get paper you can't use as the same paper until you turn it back into "your paper" - but more paper than before.

  • @mitch8597
    @mitch8597 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    3 years later these people must hate themselves. 2-300k plus worth of cards there in todays prices for a house that's probably not worth anything near that. Makes me sad they didn't stay the course.

  • @jwt4810
    @jwt4810 7 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    After llooking up sold listings on ebay and taking 13% off everything its worth around $26K cash. If you take off another 20% for profit as a dealer, its righ at $21K. So good deal for both I think. Yes she could have made more on ebay, but that would put paypal sales above 20K she'd have to do a 1099 form and pay taxes. Easier to do the cash deal in my opinion, so again good deal for both.

    • @Krynillix
      @Krynillix 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And it was cash now deal no waiting time and no chance of getting scammed.

    • @jwt4810
      @jwt4810 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Exactly

    • @ken90017
      @ken90017 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      eBay sucks for sellers

    • @scratchking3205
      @scratchking3205 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      James Tisdale Not to mention potential chargeback. I sold a mox pearl and guy Claims envelope was opened and it was empty.
      paypal always sides with crook buyers

    • @inferno3080
      @inferno3080 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Scratch King that sucks :/

  • @TruongMtgArenaHearthstone03
    @TruongMtgArenaHearthstone03 7 ปีที่แล้ว +508

    3:03 the big man with the hug calves like wtf lol, cant tell he is even wearing shoes lol

    • @al-td5sf
      @al-td5sf 6 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      great spot

    • @eason9115
      @eason9115 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Toan toantt04 wow good catch lol

    • @LiveItUpDaily
      @LiveItUpDaily 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      holy shit, good eye

    • @travishirschfelt413
      @travishirschfelt413 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Holy elephantitis batman!!

    • @effyou128
      @effyou128 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      GET IN MY BELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @MerlinTheCommenter
    @MerlinTheCommenter 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's always fun to see buyers, sellers and traders from all different environments. The basic tenets really are the same. My favorite part is watching the battle of two different value strategies at war with one another, it's a contest of human psychology, market knowledge and sales. Sometimes I'll flip an everyday car just to answer the question: "do I still got it? Or am I an old washed up boomer? Let's find out"

  • @Zebleblic
    @Zebleblic 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Several of those bulk cards are in my current decks. I loved seeing that stasis pop up.

  • @nickfraley7584
    @nickfraley7584 7 ปีที่แล้ว +199

    Man, Daniel got taken for a ride on this. A few hundred cards may be about 10 pounds. You can buy cardboard for $10 a ton. 2,000 POUNDS FOR $10. Rudy tell Daniel I can put him in touch with my cardboard guy. This cannot keep happening.

    • @JBBost
      @JBBost 7 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Some of the cardboard came with free plastic.

    • @brothertravis7709
      @brothertravis7709 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nick do u know MTG.

    • @nickfraley7584
      @nickfraley7584 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Travis Hathaway is that... is that a sex thing?

    • @brothertravis7709
      @brothertravis7709 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No sex has nothing to do with it

    • @alejandrapaz2864
      @alejandrapaz2864 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nick Fraley mtg = magic the gathering

  • @chrisgaus7594
    @chrisgaus7594 7 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Again, Daniel comes across super well when he is chill and just discussing things. Real knowledgeable dude.

  • @wjveryzer7985
    @wjveryzer7985 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I used to collect these a long time ago. Im so pissed i left my collection at a buddys house. I know i had some valuable stuff in there

  • @MetalFingerzz
    @MetalFingerzz ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great, informative video. The only thing holding it back is that the background noise is as loud if not louder than the subjects of the video. Very interesting either way and I hope we get more like it in the future (but with lav mics lol). Also kudos to Alpha for being fully transparent with his knowledge of graded cards and market fluctuation in front of a prospective seller and a camera. If I had a vintage magic collection I was looking to sell I would go to Alpha first.

  • @user-ps3um2ld1s
    @user-ps3um2ld1s หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What good is something if no one will buy it from you. Everyone thinks this guy made a killing on this deal.
    The reality: he's the only one dumb enough to spend that kind of money on paper cards.
    A fool and his money will soon be parted.

  • @mageius
    @mageius 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Anything vintage related is what I affectionately like to call "having a car in the palm of your hand". This is namely due to the price of things.

  • @longtinma06
    @longtinma06 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great deal dude. Some of the "bulk" cards arent gunna get on more common

  • @invertfriend
    @invertfriend 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2 Alpha Lotuses + other stuff were 25k in 2017? DAMN, that would be the biggest steal in existence now.

  • @codymavick9068
    @codymavick9068 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Looks like I need to start collecting things.

  • @janalt1120
    @janalt1120 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    13:30 " are those the bulk rares? i thought you had shit cards." polluted delta, jitte, senseis top...

  • @aistevilkaite5077
    @aistevilkaite5077 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    haha I was waiting for someone to quickly grab the cash and run away

  • @melkor4845
    @melkor4845 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    literally lol'd when he started dancing lolol

  • @TheDarkElder
    @TheDarkElder 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    21k in 2017 low prices was justified. In 2021 ... markets swing and currently the only way is up.

  • @gabrielpapi1
    @gabrielpapi1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    9:55 I'm jewish! it's a good deal!
    lmao

    • @adamkinjerski2540
      @adamkinjerski2540 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      gabrielpapi1 yeah, 21k was lower than I thought she would go.

    • @moofymoo
      @moofymoo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      it's not. good deal would be $25K and extra $5K for administrative expenses + $198.98 monthly subscription fee for next 12 months.

    • @Spiethstar
      @Spiethstar 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Look up the etymology of the word jew for another laugh.

    • @nicholaslandolina
      @nicholaslandolina 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      gabrielpapi1 Hahaha

    • @nicholaslandolina
      @nicholaslandolina 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      moofymoo She should have taken when he offered her 30k

  • @leonidesthesecond
    @leonidesthesecond 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    very very nice topic

  • @desertfrog817
    @desertfrog817 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    man I barely watching this from 2 years since it was posted, now that magic I like to see and yes it was worth watching

  • @supahnoobie
    @supahnoobie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    lmao the bulk rares "I thought you had shit cards" cause it was topped by a Royal Assassin

  • @garrigproductions
    @garrigproductions 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "because i'm crazy"...we already worked that out 60 seconds in dude...

  • @FatherAxeKeeper
    @FatherAxeKeeper 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't even like Magic the Gathering, but as a collector of vintage rare heavy metal records, I can totally relate to this. I fuckin love this video. cheers to both of you.

  • @telepathy90
    @telepathy90 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing content. Very fascinating

  • @Dante_S550_Turbo
    @Dante_S550_Turbo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    See all those ppl staring at the cash thinking if they could get out of there with it or not.

    • @mattm7798
      @mattm7798 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly, this isn't a casino...assuming they were near an exit, a good chance they could...but for $20k, well it's immoral, there's that, and you risk literally ruining your life for money you could live on for a few months and then be right back where you were.

    • @RandomPerson-nd2ey
      @RandomPerson-nd2ey 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattm7798 Plus there are cameras. They would be tracked down.

  • @wowzers3639
    @wowzers3639 5 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    bruh you know Daniel saw something in those bulk rares

    • @JCDawghound
      @JCDawghound 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      LOL for real... he was struggling to let go of 1% of the deal for a solid 5 mins. Looks at the "crap" deck and insta locks his buy.
      Daniel is the true winner here.

    • @22chickenhead
      @22chickenhead 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      lmao noticed that too from the jump

    • @CR-kr9cs
      @CR-kr9cs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He paused a few times, saw a divining top and was like “sure ok.”

    • @thereallichking533
      @thereallichking533 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Royal Assassin, none of those cards were worth what they are today, as markets change, but they were still worth a solid penny

    • @aaronhanten6830
      @aaronhanten6830 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he noticed the beta zombie master and that was what made him say yes. If its in 7 grade or higher condition I'm guessing that alone would fetch 100

  • @SoapGamingSoapbox1218
    @SoapGamingSoapbox1218 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    not a huge magic the gathering fan myself but this was really neat to see

  • @ESHABAMBOO
    @ESHABAMBOO 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Insane! Nice footage!

  • @captaincheerios
    @captaincheerios 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    1:16 I FOUND WALDO!!!!!!

  • @dschafar6679
    @dschafar6679 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Damn, yu-gi-oh cards changed a lot

    • @Zahiimchen
      @Zahiimchen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ikr. Duel masters sure has evolved.

    • @foreverfamily3775
      @foreverfamily3775 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      On gawd yu-gi-oh changed a lot 🤣

    • @sourabhsaha5773
      @sourabhsaha5773 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yugioh is shit lol.. kids game

    • @DonEnzone
      @DonEnzone 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a fake Blue Eyes.

  • @hsheeld
    @hsheeld 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Prolly cleaned up on those during Covid

  • @tunaman44
    @tunaman44 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Everything i buy goes down, everything other people buy goes up. Just the 8 lotus is worth 80k now

  • @dwdesign2873
    @dwdesign2873 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "and I'll buy you dinner"

    • @TheVermifuge
      @TheVermifuge 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a BETA investment LOL

  • @misterwile
    @misterwile 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    he's pretty uncareful with those cards, setting the binder on top of the non-jewel cased cards, not to mention the drink on the table...

    • @JarodM
      @JarodM 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, but he's worried about the 250 dollar difference in price, approximately, 1.2% of the value of the deal...

  • @travism9197
    @travism9197 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm going to check my childhood boxes lmao!

  • @h5y
    @h5y 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting video. Not into magic at all but this kept my attention for the entire video. Crazy how these cards can be worth so much.

  • @Enchurito
    @Enchurito 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I had a similar experience at 2013 GP Denver. I was leaning over a booth super jazzed up (I think channel fireball) asking to buy a foil Leyline of Sanctity for $11 and some other guy leans over my shoulder and says "I want to buy that, and do you have any other Moxes?" He was pointing at a beta mox emerald, the dealer proceeds to get a box out of a safe, put on cotton gloves, and lay out a full set of unlimited moxes. He ended up buying the full unlimited set and the beta emerald. Plus a time twister from beta. It was like $22000 in cash. He lays out a TON of $20 bills to pay it out. The whole time I am distracted from my purchase. A woman says "Ma'am I'm sorry what did you want to buy?" I snap out of it and suddenly my $11 foil Leyline of Sanctity felt alot less special.

    • @jonathanallen9239
      @jonathanallen9239 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I feel that. I thought my vamp tutor pull was cool, until a dude flexed an entire foil deck of legit cards. Jewelled lotus full arts are wild

  • @parallel5th838
    @parallel5th838 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    My favorite things about negotiations like is are when the buyer complains about "oh just $250" after nickle and dime-ing them the whole way.

  • @joeykno1373
    @joeykno1373 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:01 secs those cankles on the top right omg haha

  • @salbaca1104
    @salbaca1104 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i am a retired magic player quit a few years ago but once in a while i help my friends get ready for grand Prix events by building with there cards but seeing this video made me fall back in love with the game again as the player base is a lot better then yugioh is

  • @TheBowlingfanatic
    @TheBowlingfanatic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    lmao. This video didnt age well for the woman but aged amazingly well for the shop. With the way prices are now on these cards... insert drooling emoji here.

  • @MrInsdor
    @MrInsdor 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Very interesting insight
    Both Magic cards and US 100 dollar bills look much different than what I imagined

    • @MaestroAlvis
      @MaestroAlvis 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They got updated fairly recently. The big difference is the 100 on the side, so you can quickly flip through a stack of bills.

    • @shaolinotter
      @shaolinotter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Were you expecting it to be made of bacon?

  • @retrovideo2124
    @retrovideo2124 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He scored hell of a deal. That side stack alone is pretty hot. She lost out but she said she had more BL at home.

  • @chadvangrinsven763
    @chadvangrinsven763 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What an amazing deal
    ..ridiculous that it took to long to shoot on it...crazy how magic has become since I played in the Arabian night days

  • @Thotsftw
    @Thotsftw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He just hustled her soo bad lol 😂

  • @trainern8173
    @trainern8173 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    And I'm over here hustling for Free Shipping/ +/-$5.00 increments 😂👌

  • @bsmith8166
    @bsmith8166 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "They think becauae Im a woman, they can low-ball me."
    -proceeds to get extremely low-balled

  • @AZNCIess
    @AZNCIess ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Watching this in 2022 as a beginning ABU collector and eating myself UP

  • @maTzeprei
    @maTzeprei 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    wizards of the coast is literally printing money :P

    • @nanophree
      @nanophree 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They are not literally printing money because they are trading cards, expensive though so it's technically printing money.

  • @Thetazord
    @Thetazord 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Man in the 90s I could have gotten one of these for 250 bucks. I could be doing well.

    • @PabeLg91
      @PabeLg91 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I say the same thing about apple stock

    • @mattjereza6541
      @mattjereza6541 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's exactly what makes them so rare and desirable to collectors - in the 90s, there was no way for anyone to really know that MTG would be as popular as it is now, especially with so many new card games back then becoming popular. That's why "good condition" cards are worth so much more

  • @jennyfromtheblock9654
    @jennyfromtheblock9654 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:13 - anyone else see Waldo in the background?😂😂

  • @jasonluther3567
    @jasonluther3567 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a good deal. I remember when I sold off my collection it was worthless due to reprinting. The collector said I was like a month late on cashing in big

  • @sn0m0ns40
    @sn0m0ns40 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    And this is how BITCOIN started folks!

  • @lucascameron443
    @lucascameron443 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    13:05 post malone comes for a peak in the background

  • @DickTrickleqt
    @DickTrickleqt 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:03 there is a fucking landwhale hamplanet lurking the venue
    please call the justice league to combat this monster

  • @ahmed-alnoor
    @ahmed-alnoor ปีที่แล้ว +2

    100k today easily.. what a crazy world we live in

  • @0netyr
    @0netyr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think it's a good deal for both of them.. but I've finally found Waldo.. he in the back playing cards 1:11

  • @FormulaDrifter23
    @FormulaDrifter23 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    14:58 i didn't know Post Malone liked Magic

    • @opfnorfolk588
      @opfnorfolk588 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      guy to the right with the GTA t - shirt looks like the guy from GTA 5

  • @alexh4243
    @alexh4243 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He says "which is what I would do anyway" talking about cracking them to sell them ungraded literally followed by "I would never crack them out" in the same sentance.....

  • @gomcse
    @gomcse 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Daniel, you got a steal. I'm blown away by how good this deal was for you. Good for you...you took a risk, bought the right cards, and now one alpha lotus from that batch will bring...what? 40k+? She must be kicking herself. I hope she kept her 9.5 alpha lotus, because...400k?

    • @aaronhanten6830
      @aaronhanten6830 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      you are way off, alpha lotus thats a graded 7 or 8, won't go for 40k, like he was saying in the video, there are many 7 and 8 graded lotuses, they will still fetch a good price and he will make his money, but he won't get that kind of cash for one lotus.

    • @gomcse
      @gomcse 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aaronhanten6830 , I though he said this one was 9.5?

    • @pievancl5457
      @pievancl5457 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gomcse that was a lotus from his collection that he was showing as an example