Hi everybody, I’m the owner of this 200 and also “that guy” that did this repair previously. I apologize for the drywall screws and zip ties, I was working out of a friend’s garage and was pressed for time. I hate that Chrysler has “engineered” this beauty of a failure point. My dad worked for them for 40 years, most of which was in the exact factory this engine came out of. Sad to see it’s all become let’s make it easy to install and ship out, never thinking of what the mechanic that works on it will have to deal with.
Unfortunately it's also become "let's make it as cheaply and lightweight as possible" using cheap plastic that breaks easy and causes unnecessary failures. No shame bud just try not to use diy parts if possible :)
@@Racingnut24Indeed. I worked in manufacturing and can say with all honesty, that it's all about cost and speed of assembly. And to let the customer/owner/repairman downstream, worry about failures later. You did well, @filpaul. 😉👍🏼
I have a 2014 caravan with this engine and have had to replace the lifters/rockers/cams as well as this housing many times over in the 155,000 miles it has on it. Gets easier each time ha.
Actually, a friend of mine has a (magical) Toyota 4 Runner that had a plastic oil filter housing. It cracked and he replaced it with a metal Dorman part. Another friend has a 2 year old Tundra that has the same problem. So even the mighty Toyota can be upgraded with Dorman parts. 😂
I actually wonder if Norman actually design that part or if they found that somebody was making it and decided to put their name on it. Would have been one of the first intelligent things that they did.
Yeah but you gotta admit that aluminum part is far more durable than anything plastic. Doorman made a set of heater hoses for Chevy where they did away with the plastic splitter and made it aluminum. Solved that problem permanently
I've done 5 of these in the last 6 months. We also upgrade our customers with the aluminum Dorman part. One of the few times where Dorman makes a better part than the OEM.
The only problem I have with your videos is that you are intensely instructive and make the repairs seem relatively simple ( most of them anyway) so much that "every persons" think they can do them at home (lol).. As a retired wrench, I appreciate that you can instill that amount of confidence through your teachings. Thanx for your efforts.
Ive done about 6 of them this week!!!! The've become so trusted failure rate that they went on back order!!!!! I used to get the ones pre-assembled but now I get the buildable type!!! Too bad I bought an SXT Challenger but being a mechanic, so be it, I can fix it!!!!! LOL!!!!
man i wish i could afford repairs to my cars. I love watching you do this. its so satisfying to see someone who knows exactly what to do and doesnt cheat anyone in the process.
To capture a phrase from Eric on South Main Auto....."If I can do it - YOU CAN DO IT!!" Thus, you are capable of doing anything you set your mind to. Repairing things for only the cost of parts knocks the price way down.
I have done repairs my whole life, I am over it, I am still trying to find someone that knows how, but every garage makes it worse than when I started, scheduled something with a dealer, Ooof, hope they know something more than most mechanics... why is it so hard to find someone that can fix a car... ('06 Charger 3.5l, Northeast/central PA)
With our modern technology, the knowledge is getting cheaper and easier to come by. I do MOST of my own car work... and have a trusted source for things that are beyond me.
Watching this post reminds me that it is because of yourself and Eric O. that I now by brake clean by the carton. for my home workshop. Keep up the excellent posts and the fun content
Probably this is at least the second time the owner a lesson on how engineers and bean counters can make a turd out a decent engine,there must be a competition for bad engineering these days.
Dry wall screw. Tapcon. Also Mopar things. Had a factory intake plenum bolt completely remove all the threads in the plastic intake on my 13 wrangler. Goes into just plastic no threaded metal sleeve. Sooooo i had a tapcon a little bigger than the factory bolt and let it make new threads in the intake. 🤷🏽♂️ Maximum yeet.
And yet another successful repair, brake clean & pry bars to the rescue. Nice narration and documented video . More videos coming to a theater near you.....stay tuned......he'll be baaaack
Great job Ray. You have done a great service providing this valuable knowledge to the poor unsuspecting owners of these Pentastar engines. If I owned one, I would immediately run out and buy this Dorman kit and proactively change that defective part per your instructions.
@@mthompson1637the consensus across tech authority are that the dorman gaskets included in this kit are abysmal quality. Order an OEM Mopar gasket kit to use during the dorman install, it'll last much longer.
I too replaced the oil cooler on my 2012 Challenger as it started leaking, but at the same time, changed out the plastic water bypass, as well as the plastic thermostat housing. I also elected to change the plugs at the same time.
Yep! I had this issue with my Grand Caravan. Luckily I caught it when it was just a slow leak and noticed small drips on the driveway, though there was probably about 1L of oil sitting in the valley. I also replaced the oil cooler assembly with an aluminum version.
2016 Charger here. It was leaking slowly, and when I was trying to find the leak, it looked like it was either coming from the rear main seal, or I just had dirty trans fluid in my tranny and it was leaking. Either way, I thought I was going tk have to pull the transmission. Luckily this was a much easier fix.
I have this engine, I have watched this fix performed by many people. I always hoped you had a video on the subject, and now you do. I have not had to do this yet, but i am told that eventually i will have to.
So I guess it goes like this? Ray loves his job so much he does it twice! Guy who worked on this car last clearly hated his job so much he didn’t even do it once???? Keep up the great work and content Ray!
@@thk7513 I have no idea what that means, but you know he trolls you guys from time to time to pick up engagement of the community, looks like it's working…
Did it twice on Monday as well, one tooth out on the timing belt. Would prefer not to bend another 8 valves on the engine. That can be a little expensive.
Yeah, my favourite part of a long-ish job is the moment I get to switch the ratchets over to “tighten”. I usually do the first few bolts up, then take a celebratory tea break.
I love your work, Ray. You give me confidence in working on my car. I changed my own battery today! It's not big to some, but I have severe anxiety that sometimes affects how I function and think (basically in fight/flight mode a lot), and to do something that scares me and to do it right is such a good feeling and confidence booster. I felt like the smiles of a million dads and my late brother when my car started. I did it! My hands were shaking and I was chanting POSITIVE FIRST lol
Apparently, Chrysler has redesigned this specific oil cooler to address the leaks in the previous part. Dealerships are using this revised part. However, Dorman saw an opportunity and manufactured this part out of aluminum. Unlike many of their Chinese made parts, Dorman claims this part was designed and manufactured in the USA 🇺🇸
I remember the word ADJACENT. It was used by us in the Air Force Security Police and others up in Montana at Malmstrom, back in 66 through 68. I always thought that word was neato. Thanks for reminding me.
I replaced the OEM unit with the Dorman unit & 6 months later the inlet oil o ring blew out. Replaced it all with OEM gaskets & it lasted 2 weeks before I noticed it leaking again. This time I'm going ad some Permatex aviation gasket type 3 to make sure it doesn't need to be done a 3rd time.
@13:48 For those doing this task where previous technicians have not changed how the factory assembles this particular bracket, the secret is to locate the one fastener (special double-ended stud with a 13mm hex in the middle) that secures this bracket to the cylinder head. It is hidden by the plastic wiring harness support that secures the really thick wiring harness that runs front to rear above the transmission. On my car it was gray plastic. This gray plastic support presses onto the end of the stud and sort of conceals the fact that it is a stud. Once you realize that, and are able to muscle the wiring harness so that the support can be pulled off the stud, it's easy to remove the special stud holding this bracket to the engine and free up the upper plenum.
Since that o-ring on the oil filter cap is going to be affected each time the filter is changed it wouldn't hurt to thoroughly clean that each time. If that ring gets dirty you will end up with an oil leak (again?). As a scuba diver using an underwater housing, all it takes is one hair draped across the ring to cause a leak.
My wife has this 3.6 in her 18 Jeep and I am honestly thinking about upgrading her oil cooler before we end up in this situation, but I felt like it might be a little more in depth than it appeared. You made it look easy Ray, may have do this preventatively.
I've done a few of them. It's not all that difficult of a job, just get a list of what tools are necessary beforehand because there are weird fasteners all over the place like every modern car. Also a list of good oil filters to use are Fram XG11665, FS11665, FE11665, STP S11665XL, and Premium Guard PG6296XL. All of those are synthetic media filters that do not collapse/tear on these engines and filter much better than the typical paper ones. Those filters are around 97-99 percent at 20 microns vs for example a Wix that is only 95 percent at 25 microns.
Do the swap now while everything is still relatively clean. Plan on doing a coolant swap while you are in there since it is 5+ years old, and that hose as well.
I was worried replacing mine with the Dorman one because, well do I really have to go into that lol. Have had my Dorman aluminum one on my van for a few years now with no problem. Would recommend following torque spec and pattern though. They tend to warp and leak if you don't.
Great video. Just replaced the plastic coolent crossover under the plastic thermostat housing on a 3 6 Pentistar with an aluminum Dorman aftermarket part! You showed me another one. Wonder what these engineers are smoking! I do love the power of the Pentistar. I still can't get over you using flat blade screwdrivers on hose clamps instead of a nut driver. Must be a southern thing!
Plastic clips break all the time, that is why they are usually cheap to replace. Despite what many think, plastic gets brittle and does degrade over time, it just takes a few years.
I would. I only have 90,000 miles on mine and I’ve had to replace the oil cooler twice. They decided to make almost a whole plastic oil cooler and put it inside the hottest part of the the engine. I’ve only driven the car for 12,000 miles and I’ve had replace mine twice. I had to go to the junkyard both times to replace it so I didn’t have the luxury of having a aluminum one
I had a 2014 dodge journey sxt fully loaded with 20” wheels, leather, 8.1” infotainment system. It literally had every option available! I looked that manvan and got 86,000 worry free miles till I watched a TH-cam vide about the plastic oil coolers and how they last about 80,000-100,000 ! Couldn’t stop worrying about it after that so I traded it in lol!
I have a 2014 grand caravan. Same problem, the Dorman replacement had a year wait , so I went with original equipment, mopar. I also had to replace the crossover coolant pipe between the heads, originally plastic, got the Dorman aluminum replacement. Runs great now!
GOOD VID RAY,I can see why they made a plastic part,COST!!!!you could say weight,but given where it's located with hot and cold running in it a 0-80 psi oil,plastic even if GLASS filled is a bad choice.It's good enough to last THE WARRANTY period only?If i owned one i would change it now and put the DORMAN one on and save the old one as a backup.Never leave an oil soaked water hose on,when you see one.NEVER !!!so glad you changed it ,Ray.keep up the good work.
I bought a new Chrysler in the early 70's, it turned out to be two Chester's, my first and last Chrysler product! Came with a complimentary half tank of water, jumped time one month later, transmission would get lost between gears, times it wouldn't get out of it's own way. Never again! When I watch these videos, it makes me appreciate my old school CJ-7
Ray you should do a before & after video of your shop ( garage here in the UK 😀)you have made huge improvements in such a short time. You certainly seem a lot happier now being your own boss 👌
The Mercedes V6 OM642 has drain holes in the V going true the engine bank(s). Was the usual thing to check for oil leaks from similar heat exchanger inside the V.
Very common pentistar 3.6l Issue nice repair sounds pretty good looks like engine was saved from destruction great video as always Raymond @Rainman Ray's Repairs
I notice Dorman makes some quality parts for common failure items. I was working on a chevy cruze that had a coolant hose with a plastic y pipe that failed. I was going to piece together brass fittings so that I wouldn't have to worry about it failing again. I couldn't find what I needed so I gave up and went to the parts store to get the replacement assembly. It was Dorman brand and they replaced the plastic with aluminum. I was impressed.
Interesting to watch Ray digging down and re-assembling all that complicated junk and taking the risk that the failure hadn't overcooked the rest of the engine. The labor charges cannot be cheap on that kind of job.
I think the owner was the last person to work on that one. What professional mechanic has drywall screws in their shop? Another great video, thanks Ray!
That stuff isn't snake oil. I've been a dealership parts guy for 30 years and worked at several where we've used BG products. They are really great products. I've seen first hand how well they perform and used them in my own vehicles. Really good stuff IMO.
I just did this job about a year ago on our 2013 Caravan. The replacement I picked up was a plastic one just like the factory one. I'll be getting this upgrade oil cooler if the problem returns.
Wanted to add a separate comment. How-to videos are hard to find and leave a lot to be desired for helping to do this fix. You should add some tags to the post for the various vehicles it is for and oil filter housing, so that people can find it. This isn't exactly an instructional video, but it is way easier to follow along than the ones I found. Just a thought to help this come up in searches for people needing help.
What would cause Jeep Cherokee headlights and dash lights to flicker? My brothers Jeep did this on the way home last night and we need headlights to see at night.
@@johnt.848 thanks you guys that makes sense especially up here in NY. It started happening as we pulled in my driveway and not while going down the road.
Putting a peice of paper towl ontop of fastener then putting it in the socket will help secure the fastener into the socket while trying to reach down in far away locations quick tip Raymond 44:28 @Rainman Ray's Repairs
No actual Chrysler has ever crossed my threshold. Waaaay back, when I was only starting out, Chrysler Europe was owned by Peugeot and we used to service a couple of Avengers and a Sunbeam. They pulled out of Europe for a long time, then bought Daewoo and I still look after a couple of those, one bearing a Chrysler badge, the other still a Daewoo. From watching YT videos, it seems Chrysler US has picked up some bad habits from their association with PSA group. Brackets on top of brackets on top of brackets, concealing a single bolt on a non-related component is a French thing. Stripping the entire inlet for access to other components, ditto. Who remembers the starter motor on a Citroen GS? No problem to unbolt it and disconnect it, but to get it off the car, the carb and manifold had to be removed. And there were no fancy O rings. Everything had a paper gasket that was thoroughly baked on and needed careful scraping to remove without damaging the heads or manifold. French designers seemed to take pleasure in making it hard to maintain their products.
Yes. Absolutely right. I’m so disappointed. I thought I was over that. I’m obviously still suffering from brain fog. Either that or early onset Alzheimer’s. Chrysler/Chevrolet mixup in my frazzled brain, leading to a total brain fart! I’ve been doing things like that since my recovery from covid, a couple of years ago and the frequency of it has tailed off so much, I thought it was over. I realised my mistake a few hours after posting that, but was embroiled in other stuff, so couldn’t do anything about it. I’m sorta surprised you’re the only one to pick up on it. I was expecting my inbox to be crammed! Maybe nobody reads my incoherent rambling, lol.
Hey ray 90 percent of the time it’s the gasket on the bottom of the housing where it mates to the block. The other 10 percent are from monkeys cranking on the housing when changing the filter during service. I’ve done a lot of these. Chrysler has us changing only those gaskets under warranty.
No, this is a well known issue with these housings warping and/or cracking. Blame the engineer who thought putting a plastic part on top of a hot engine was a good idea. Chrysler has you changing only the gaskets under warranty because they want to keep warranty costs down and changing the gaskets will temporarily fix the issue, hopefully for Chrysler until after the warranty runs out.
Even if it was just the gasket, and I knew an aluminum replacement was available, I would still replace the whole unit. Might as well while I'm in there. That plastic is bound to fail anyway.
Another reason to avoid dealers unless someone holds a gun to your head. As the Russians would say "uncultured". For the ignorant, that's a very deadly insult. Like "bloody" from a Brit.
I know I am days late - was on a road trip, just got back last night. Someone on the Internet or in a magazine article mentioned that if you turn a screw going into plastic backwards until it drops down a little you will reuse the old threads and be less likely to strip out the hole. It works great and takes a lot less effort to turn the screw.
I did the same thing when I did spark plugs and coils on a 3.6, I got it all back together and realized that I left that foam piece out. I said we'll I love my job so much I get to do it twice!
Had a ENT Doc suck out the Floriduh fungus from my ear and it sounded like that cleanout. Hurt like hell too. I like the way you took the time to install those sensors right side up so the connectors fit properly Ray.
Reminds me of the one that SMAC had to fix after it left hom stranded. My Equinox has a bit of a leak, guessing valve cover leaks. Got a few things for ya Ray. Thanks.
I own 3 Pentastar cars and I've done the oil cooler on all of them, I don't like the metal Dorman replacement though, mine started leaking within 3 months. I only replace with a newer OEM unit.
RAY i am amazed how you are such a great mechanic mate you are a 65 yr old mechanic in a body 30 yrs younger and willing to admit your mistakes i salute you Ray and i love you working on old school engines
heh heh, I'd love to know how Aluminium came to be known as aluminum in the US ;-). Update.... Ah, its quite an interesting story having just had a read. A certain Noah Webster introduced the American spelling on creation of the 'American dictionary of the English language' back in 1828, and it somehow stuck. The element on the periodic table though has always been known as 'aluminium' in the science community.
My wife and I have a black hawk with a 3.6 pentastar engine. We have had the car from new and we love a good American built car. We live in Tasmania Australia and the car has 117000 KM. The only thing we have done to the car is new spark plugs and a regular service.
can confirm. 2015 200s. I have replaced he oil filter adapter housing 2x with stock plastic parts. still leaked replaced with doorman all aluminum part, and haven't had a lick of issues with it since.
I did this on a 2011 Charger with the Dorman replacement. Had to do it again 3 months later because the Dorman gaskets completely disintegrated in chunks. Bought oem gaskets and reinstalled it. It’s been fine for 3 years now.
Professor Ray, you gave me chest pain once I realized what the repair was going to be. Your saving grace is that the engine is placed sideways as opposed to the Pentastar 3.6 in my Jeep Wrangler. Yes, I have had it replaced once under warranty. What a royal pain in the rear to be able to get the manifold off to be able to make such a replacement, much less change the plugs. I’m tempted to order the Dorman just to have it available if the first replacement were to go bad. My son-in-law had an Exxon Valdez spill in his Jeep Cherokee during a Christmas visit to Kansas. My brother’s daughter also had one give up the ghost in a Liberty I believe it was, or Compass. You made it look easy enough to consider attempting a replacement on my own if need be. Thank you.
Hey Ray, the next day after watching this, I checked my chrystler pacifica, and low and behold, this was leaking. Got on order and will change it soon. Thanks for the video.
Those red connectors on the fuel injectors screwed me. After pulling everything apart to get to the rear 02 sensor and few other things,I reassembled everything, crazy rough start and engine codes. Pulled everything apart all over, reassembled to see if I missed something, same rough running. Had to suck it up and took to a trusted mechanic thinking I dropped something down the intake. Turns out one injector clip was broken even though it felt like it clipped in. He fixed it with a zip tie for a cold 12 pack. Boy was I relieved.
My Durango had the same problem at 100k. The aluminum unit was sold out so I got the plastic Dorman unit. It didn't last 1 oil change. Aluminum still out of stock. The second replacement was NAPA (OEM supposedly) and has been fine for the next 70k miles.
Just a suggestion, after removing the front supprt bracket nuts remove the rear support bracket nuts and loosen the bracket bolts on back of head, then when removing upper air intake pull to rear slightly and lift up, this avoids having to pull the front support bracket.
Same part similar issue on a 2012 Grand Cherokee 3.6. The only difference is it was anti freeze leaking through a crack in the case. Had the same metal upgrade kit for it.
I have a 2014 Dodge Grand Caravan with a 3.6. I changed the filter housing out with an aluminum replacement, before it had the chance to leak. Changed it out when the back spark plugs were changed.
Hi everybody, I’m the owner of this 200 and also “that guy” that did this repair previously. I apologize for the drywall screws and zip ties, I was working out of a friend’s garage and was pressed for time.
I hate that Chrysler has “engineered” this beauty of a failure point. My dad worked for them for 40 years, most of which was in the exact factory this engine came out of.
Sad to see it’s all become let’s make it easy to install and ship out, never thinking of what the mechanic that works on it will have to deal with.
You did fine, just bad parts. No tip for Ray😂
Unfortunately it's also become "let's make it as cheaply and lightweight as possible" using cheap plastic that breaks easy and causes unnecessary failures.
No shame bud just try not to use diy parts if possible :)
@@Racingnut24Indeed. I worked in manufacturing and can say with all honesty, that it's all about cost and speed of assembly. And to let the customer/owner/repairman downstream, worry about failures later.
You did well, @filpaul. 😉👍🏼
I don't blame customer for shitty engineering. You did what you could.
I have a 2014 caravan with this engine and have had to replace the lifters/rockers/cams as well as this housing many times over in the 155,000 miles it has on it. Gets easier each time ha.
Chrysler/FIAT the only car manufacturer where the doorman part is an upgrade over OEM.
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Actually, a friend of mine has a (magical) Toyota 4 Runner that had a plastic oil filter housing. It cracked and he replaced it with a metal Dorman part. Another friend has a 2 year old Tundra that has the same problem. So even the mighty Toyota can be upgraded with Dorman parts. 😂
I actually wonder if Norman actually design that part or if they found that somebody was making it and decided to put their name on it. Would have been one of the first intelligent things that they did.
Yeah but you gotta admit that aluminum part is far more durable than anything plastic. Doorman made a set of heater hoses for Chevy where they did away with the plastic splitter and made it aluminum. Solved that problem permanently
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I've done 5 of these in the last 6 months. We also upgrade our customers with the aluminum Dorman part. One of the few times where Dorman makes a better part than the OEM.
They also makealumin quick connects for the heater hoses on some vehicles to eliminate the plastic ones that are failure prone.
That’s what happened to me last year same problem then I changed it with a aluminum one from (Dorman) ..thank you (Dorman) and thank you Ray…….👏👏👏👏👏👏
The only problem I have with your videos is that you are intensely instructive and make the repairs seem relatively simple ( most of them anyway) so much that "every persons" think they can do them at home (lol).. As a retired wrench, I appreciate that you can instill that amount of confidence through your teachings. Thanx for your efforts.
Ive done about 6 of them this week!!!! The've become so trusted failure rate that they went on back order!!!!! I used to get the ones pre-assembled but now I get the buildable type!!! Too bad I bought an SXT Challenger but being a mechanic, so be it, I can fix it!!!!! LOL!!!!
One good thing about a Chrysler, they keep service centers in business.
Way more Fords and Chevys in his shop.
@@handbananaistherapist642that’s because most FCA owners can’t even afford to make their car note payments, much less repair bills.
@@handbananaistherapist642 That's because the Chryslers blow up before they can get to the shop 🤣
Like this one?@@mllarson
Just a 'leaky Milk Carton' that's all...😻
man i wish i could afford repairs to my cars. I love watching you do this. its so satisfying to see someone who knows exactly what to do and doesnt cheat anyone in the process.
I wish I could afford to NOT repair my cars myself . . .
To capture a phrase from Eric on South Main Auto....."If I can do it - YOU CAN DO IT!!" Thus, you are capable of doing anything you set your mind to. Repairing things for only the cost of parts knocks the price way down.
I have done repairs my whole life, I am over it, I am still trying to find someone that knows how, but every garage makes it worse than when I started, scheduled something with a dealer, Ooof, hope they know something more than most mechanics... why is it so hard to find someone that can fix a car... ('06 Charger 3.5l, Northeast/central PA)
With our modern technology, the knowledge is getting cheaper and easier to come by. I do MOST of my own car work... and have a trusted source for things that are beyond me.
Watching this post reminds me that it is because of yourself and Eric O. that I now by brake clean by the carton. for my home workshop.
Keep up the excellent posts and the fun content
G'day to everyone from Australia.
Hows the weather 😊
G’day mate
Warm here in the sunshine state. 33c (92F) today but a nice breeze coming through tonight
Good morning from Minnesota USA! 61°F currently.
Gidday from sunny Melbourne Australia! I say that tongue in cheek since in our beautiful city we get all seasons in one day.
Changed that unit on our 2014, two weeks later knock sensor failed, had the pleasure of doing it again.
Doh!
Never forget that God has a sense of humor. He was having an especially good day laughing at how aircraft would have to be fixed. 😊
Nice save Ray well done to the owner for doing his bit as well by working out some thing was wrong in the first place and shutting the mill down.
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Probably this is at least the second time the owner a lesson on how engineers and bean counters can make a turd out a decent engine,there must be a competition for bad engineering these days.
Dry wall screw. Tapcon. Also Mopar things. Had a factory intake plenum bolt completely remove all the threads in the plastic intake on my 13 wrangler. Goes into just plastic no threaded metal sleeve. Sooooo i had a tapcon a little bigger than the factory bolt and let it make new threads in the intake. 🤷🏽♂️ Maximum yeet.
And yet another successful repair, brake clean & pry bars to the rescue.
Nice narration and documented video .
More videos coming to a theater near you.....stay tuned......he'll be baaaack
Great job Ray. You have done a great service providing this valuable knowledge to the poor unsuspecting owners of these Pentastar engines. If I owned one, I would immediately run out and buy this Dorman kit and proactively change that defective part per your instructions.
Meh...just pour some sludge in the oil...
Don't bother, we have a fleet of Ram Promasters and the dorman ones eventually start leaking oil too
@@mthompson1637the consensus across tech authority are that the dorman gaskets included in this kit are abysmal quality. Order an OEM Mopar gasket kit to use during the dorman install, it'll last much longer.
I too replaced the oil cooler on my 2012 Challenger as it started leaking, but at the same time, changed out the plastic water bypass, as well as the plastic thermostat housing. I also elected to change the plugs at the same time.
You should be good for another 11 years as long as you don't live somewhere that promotes rust.
Yep! I had this issue with my Grand Caravan. Luckily I caught it when it was just a slow leak and noticed small drips on the driveway, though there was probably about 1L of oil sitting in the valley. I also replaced the oil cooler assembly with an aluminum version.
I had the same issue with my 2014 Dodge GC. The Oil Cooler Housing has been the culprit of most of the oil leaks on the Pentastar Engines.
2016 Charger here. It was leaking slowly, and when I was trying to find the leak, it looked like it was either coming from the rear main seal, or I just had dirty trans fluid in my tranny and it was leaking. Either way, I thought I was going tk have to pull the transmission. Luckily this was a much easier fix.
@@mymycojourney7924 that leak from the Oil Cooler Housing will often be misdiagnosed as a rear main seal leak.
@@rmproute66 yep, that's what lead me down the path to figure out what it was. I was pleasantly surprised when I found out what it actually is
@@mymycojourney7924Yes, I was worried it was a rear main seal as well until I found out about this known issue.
I have this engine, I have watched this fix performed by many people. I always hoped you had a video on the subject, and now you do. I have not had to do this yet, but i am told that eventually i will have to.
Just dont use the plastic assembly when you do
So I guess it goes like this?
Ray loves his job so much he does it twice!
Guy who worked on this car last clearly hated his job so much he didn’t even do it once????
Keep up the great work and content Ray!
Ray should not criticize, just look at some of his earlier-recent repairs and he has some FUBAR's under is belt also.
@@thk7513 I have no idea what that means, but you know he trolls you guys from time to time to pick up engagement of the community, looks like it's working…
@@thk7513does "🔨 ing" a battery post count?🙈
Did it twice on Monday as well, one tooth out on the timing belt. Would prefer not to bend another 8 valves on the engine. That can be a little expensive.
Very good way of putting. A lot of mechanics hate their job so much they don't even do it once.
Rather than dry wall screws, I like deck/fence screws.🤣🦊Thanks for the Canadian recognition.
Yeah, my favourite part of a long-ish job is the moment I get to switch the ratchets over to “tighten”. I usually do the first few bolts up, then take a celebratory tea break.
I love your work, Ray. You give me confidence in working on my car. I changed my own battery today! It's not big to some, but I have severe anxiety that sometimes affects how I function and think (basically in fight/flight mode a lot), and to do something that scares me and to do it right is such a good feeling and confidence booster. I felt like the smiles of a million dads and my late brother when my car started. I did it! My hands were shaking and I was chanting POSITIVE FIRST lol
Looks like you are growing by adding another mechanic. Glad to see that.
I did this job on my sisters '15 Town & Country last winter. That was fun lol.
Apparently, Chrysler has redesigned this specific oil cooler to address the leaks in the previous part. Dealerships are using this revised part. However, Dorman saw an opportunity and manufactured this part out of aluminum. Unlike many of their Chinese made parts, Dorman claims this part was designed and manufactured in the USA 🇺🇸
Awsome...used Doorman parts since 1974...
None of the Dorman parts I ever bought were made in China. Maybe I was lucky? All of mine were made in Taiwan. Big difference. Taiwan is not China.
I remember the word ADJACENT. It was used by us in the Air Force Security Police and others up in Montana at Malmstrom, back in 66 through 68. I always thought that word was neato. Thanks for reminding me.
Ray, the detail you present in your videos is very helpful to the DIY'er repairing there own vehicles. Educational!!! Helpful!!! Beneficial!!!
I replaced the OEM unit with the Dorman unit & 6 months later the inlet oil o ring blew out. Replaced it all with OEM gaskets & it lasted 2 weeks before I noticed it leaking again. This time I'm going ad some Permatex aviation gasket type 3 to make sure it doesn't need to be done a 3rd time.
@13:48 For those doing this task where previous technicians have not changed how the factory assembles this particular bracket, the secret is to locate the one fastener (special double-ended stud with a 13mm hex in the middle) that secures this bracket to the cylinder head. It is hidden by the plastic wiring harness support that secures the really thick wiring harness that runs front to rear above the transmission. On my car it was gray plastic. This gray plastic support presses onto the end of the stud and sort of conceals the fact that it is a stud. Once you realize that, and are able to muscle the wiring harness so that the support can be pulled off the stud, it's easy to remove the special stud holding this bracket to the engine and free up the upper plenum.
Agreed, i have some of those with 400 k in fleet service, run fine
Since that o-ring on the oil filter cap is going to be affected each time the filter is changed it wouldn't hurt to thoroughly clean that each time. If that ring gets dirty you will end up with an oil leak (again?).
As a scuba diver using an underwater housing, all it takes is one hair draped across the ring to cause a leak.
new o-rings come with all replacement oil filters.
My wife has this 3.6 in her 18 Jeep and I am honestly thinking about upgrading her oil cooler before we end up in this situation, but I felt like it might be a little more in depth than it appeared. You made it look easy Ray, may have do this preventatively.
I've done a few of them. It's not all that difficult of a job, just get a list of what tools are necessary beforehand because there are weird fasteners all over the place like every modern car. Also a list of good oil filters to use are Fram XG11665, FS11665, FE11665, STP S11665XL, and Premium Guard PG6296XL. All of those are synthetic media filters that do not collapse/tear on these engines and filter much better than the typical paper ones. Those filters are around 97-99 percent at 20 microns vs for example a Wix that is only 95 percent at 25 microns.
I also have an 18 Jeep. I had to replace mine do to this issue. Aluminum should have been installed from the factory, not plastic.
Do the swap now while everything is still relatively clean. Plan on doing a coolant swap while you are in there since it is 5+ years old, and that hose as well.
Also look into a Baxter Performance oil filter assembly.
@@jsh6952 Since it's a Jeep, lol, already did a coolant swap when I replaced the leaking radiator at 55k miles.
I was worried replacing mine with the Dorman one because, well do I really have to go into that lol. Have had my Dorman aluminum one on my van for a few years now with no problem. Would recommend following torque spec and pattern though. They tend to warp and leak if you don't.
Another great video to watch while the coffee kicks in. Enjoy your day Ray!
If the spark plugs need changing, now’s a good time to do it.
Great video. Just replaced the plastic coolent crossover under the plastic thermostat housing on a 3 6 Pentistar with an aluminum Dorman aftermarket part! You showed me another one. Wonder what these engineers are smoking! I do love the power of the Pentistar. I still can't get over you using flat blade screwdrivers on hose clamps instead of a nut driver. Must be a southern thing!
As a Canadian, I felt that.
Plastic clips break all the time, that is why they are usually cheap to replace. Despite what many think, plastic gets brittle and does degrade over time, it just takes a few years.
Nice video I just did that on my 2019 Grand Cherokee w/70,000 while I was there plugs,injectors and coil packs the truck runs excellent.
I'm might proactively replace this oil cooler after seeing this. I like the look of that all metal design
I would. I only have 90,000 miles on mine and I’ve had to replace the oil cooler twice. They decided to make almost a whole plastic oil cooler and put it inside the hottest part of the the engine. I’ve only driven the car for 12,000 miles and I’ve had replace mine twice. I had to go to the junkyard both times to replace it so I didn’t have the luxury of having a aluminum one
I had a 2014 dodge journey sxt fully loaded with 20” wheels, leather, 8.1” infotainment system. It literally had every option available! I looked that manvan and got 86,000 worry free miles till I watched a TH-cam vide about the plastic oil coolers and how they last about 80,000-100,000 ! Couldn’t stop worrying about it after that so I traded it in lol!
Another outstanding video Ray your the best but the most important thing is to have your self a great day Ray
I have a 2014 grand caravan. Same problem, the Dorman replacement had a year wait , so I went with original equipment, mopar. I also had to replace the crossover coolant pipe between the heads, originally plastic, got the Dorman aluminum replacement. Runs great now!
GOOD VID RAY,I can see why they made a plastic part,COST!!!!you could say weight,but given where it's located with hot and cold running in it a 0-80 psi oil,plastic even if GLASS filled is a bad choice.It's good enough to last THE WARRANTY period only?If i owned one i would change it now and put the DORMAN one on and save the old one as a backup.Never leave an oil soaked water hose on,when you see one.NEVER !!!so glad you changed it ,Ray.keep up the good work.
I bought a new Chrysler in the early 70's, it turned out to be two Chester's, my first and last Chrysler product! Came with a complimentary half tank of water, jumped time one month later, transmission would get lost between gears, times it wouldn't get out of it's own way.
Never again!
When I watch these videos, it makes me appreciate my old school CJ-7
Ray you should do a before & after video of your shop ( garage here in the UK 😀)you have made huge improvements in such a short time. You certainly seem a lot happier now being your own boss 👌
The Mercedes V6 OM642 has drain holes in the V going true the engine bank(s). Was the usual thing to check for oil leaks from similar heat exchanger inside the V.
I've never heard "Dorman" and "higher end" used in the same sentence.
Gosh, I loved that new introduction to the video. 🥰😍
Very common pentistar 3.6l Issue nice repair sounds pretty good looks like engine was saved from destruction great video as always Raymond @Rainman Ray's Repairs
Oh give the ole pentistar some time it will find a way to blow. I having my engine replaced as I type.
I notice Dorman makes some quality parts for common failure items. I was working on a chevy cruze that had a coolant hose with a plastic y pipe that failed. I was going to piece together brass fittings so that I wouldn't have to worry about it failing again. I couldn't find what I needed so I gave up and went to the parts store to get the replacement assembly. It was Dorman brand and they replaced the plastic with aluminum. I was impressed.
Interesting to watch Ray digging down and re-assembling all that complicated junk and taking the risk that the failure hadn't overcooked the rest of the engine. The labor charges cannot be cheap on that kind of job.
Me too.@OldFatBubba
Cool new intro with you Telling us who you are and what your working on Raymond @Rainman Ray's Repairs
I think the owner was the last person to work on that one. What professional mechanic has drywall screws in their shop? Another great video, thanks Ray!
Self lubricating chassis. Brake clean by the ton just to clean up the dodge Valdez. Morning Ray is a great way to start.
That stuff isn't snake oil. I've been a dealership parts guy for 30 years and worked at several where we've used BG products. They are really great products. I've seen first hand how well they perform and used them in my own vehicles. Really good stuff IMO.
I just did this job about a year ago on our 2013 Caravan. The replacement I picked up was a plastic one just like the factory one. I'll be getting this upgrade oil cooler if the problem returns.
The “E” in those torx is external, not inverted. It is inverted, but the fastener is external.
Wanted to add a separate comment. How-to videos are hard to find and leave a lot to be desired for helping to do this fix. You should add some tags to the post for the various vehicles it is for and oil filter housing, so that people can find it. This isn't exactly an instructional video, but it is way easier to follow along than the ones I found.
Just a thought to help this come up in searches for people needing help.
What would cause Jeep Cherokee headlights and dash lights to flicker? My brothers Jeep did this on the way home last night and we need headlights to see at night.
Start by checking the ground connections, followed by the power connections.
Maybe a bad ground?
I'll third the poor ground, they are known to get rusty real quick at the bolts.
@@johnt.848 thanks you guys that makes sense especially up here in NY. It started happening as we pulled in my driveway and not while going down the road.
Putting a peice of paper towl ontop of fastener then putting it in the socket will help secure the fastener into the socket while trying to reach down in far away locations quick tip Raymond 44:28 @Rainman Ray's Repairs
No actual Chrysler has ever crossed my threshold. Waaaay back, when I was only starting out, Chrysler Europe was owned by Peugeot and we used to service a couple of Avengers and a Sunbeam.
They pulled out of Europe for a long time, then bought Daewoo and I still look after a couple of those, one bearing a Chrysler badge, the other still a Daewoo.
From watching YT videos, it seems Chrysler US has picked up some bad habits from their association with PSA group. Brackets on top of brackets on top of brackets, concealing a single bolt on a non-related component is a French thing. Stripping the entire inlet for access to other components, ditto. Who remembers the starter motor on a Citroen GS? No problem to unbolt it and disconnect it, but to get it off the car, the carb and manifold had to be removed. And there were no fancy O rings. Everything had a paper gasket that was thoroughly baked on and needed careful scraping to remove without damaging the heads or manifold.
French designers seemed to take pleasure in making it hard to maintain their products.
I'm sure GM bought Daewoo.
Yes. Absolutely right.
I’m so disappointed. I thought I was over that. I’m obviously still suffering from brain fog. Either that or early onset Alzheimer’s. Chrysler/Chevrolet mixup in my frazzled brain, leading to a total brain fart!
I’ve been doing things like that since my recovery from covid, a couple of years ago and the frequency of it has tailed off so much, I thought it was over.
I realised my mistake a few hours after posting that, but was embroiled in other stuff, so couldn’t do anything about it.
I’m sorta surprised you’re the only one to pick up on it. I was expecting my inbox to be crammed! Maybe nobody reads my incoherent rambling, lol.
Ray another great job and to the owner you are my hero not many man would say it was me that did a rush job awesome sir
Thanks, time and budget during Covid was fun.
Hey ray 90 percent of the time it’s the gasket on the bottom of the housing where it mates to the block. The other 10 percent are from monkeys cranking on the housing when changing the filter during service. I’ve done a lot of these. Chrysler has us changing only those gaskets under warranty.
No, this is a well known issue with these housings warping and/or cracking. Blame the engineer who thought putting a plastic part on top of a hot engine was a good idea. Chrysler has you changing only the gaskets under warranty because they want to keep warranty costs down and changing the gaskets will temporarily fix the issue, hopefully for Chrysler until after the warranty runs out.
Even if it was just the gasket, and I knew an aluminum replacement was available, I would still replace the whole unit. Might as well while I'm in there. That plastic is bound to fail anyway.
Another reason to avoid dealers unless someone holds a gun to your head. As the Russians would say "uncultured". For the ignorant, that's a very deadly insult. Like "bloody" from a Brit.
I know I am days late - was on a road trip, just got back last night. Someone on the Internet or in a magazine article mentioned that if you turn a screw going into plastic backwards until it drops down a little you will reuse the old threads and be less likely to strip out the hole. It works great and takes a lot less effort to turn the screw.
Those brake clean cans sure had good pressure. I wonder how far away you could stand?
That sounds like a good challenge for Ray and Troy (AKA The Shadow) to take turns on. Make a fun video for sure
@andy631 .. wow an ocean away and still standing!!! Impressive
I've used Brakleen for wasps and spiders and you can stand at least 10 feet away with a new can.
And With a taser...what a nice duo🎉...clean up those mob looters...
As a Canadian. No offence taken.
I did the same thing when I did spark plugs and coils on a 3.6, I got it all back together and realized that I left that foam piece out. I said we'll I love my job so much I get to do it twice!
I bet when Ray's wife hears brake cleaning cans bounce off the shop floor she just shakes her head.
Had a ENT Doc suck out the Floriduh fungus from my ear and it sounded like that cleanout. Hurt like hell too. I like the way you took the time to install those sensors right side up so the connectors fit properly Ray.
Reminds me of the one that SMAC had to fix after it left hom stranded. My Equinox has a bit of a leak, guessing valve cover leaks. Got a few things for ya Ray. Thanks.
Did this repair on my Wife's minivan 6 months ago. using the Dorman part. Still working fine, no leaks. Nice video of the process.
So zip ties are only ok when Ray uses them? Got ti!
I own 3 Pentastar cars and I've done the oil cooler on all of them, I don't like the metal Dorman replacement though, mine started leaking within 3 months. I only replace with a newer OEM unit.
Self lubricating never rust😂😂😂 the full part of glass
RAY i am amazed how you are such a great mechanic mate you are a 65 yr old mechanic in a body 30 yrs younger and willing to admit your mistakes i salute you Ray and i love you working on old school engines
Thouught it was wife unit doing the oil pour 😂
On the contrary, maybe it’s good that he IS watching. It may encourage him to do a better job from now on. Randy in Chattanooga, Tennessee said that.
heh heh, I'd love to know how Aluminium came to be known as aluminum in the US ;-). Update.... Ah, its quite an interesting story having just had a read. A certain Noah Webster introduced the American spelling on creation of the 'American dictionary of the English language' back in 1828, and it somehow stuck. The element on the periodic table though has always been known as 'aluminium' in the science community.
wrong -
13
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Aluminum
@@aBigMeanie right - even the American Chemical Society includes it on the periodic table as 13, Al, Aluminium.
Good job Ray. I appreciate your not talking too much junk about the previous guy.
nothing wrong with snake oil, ever heard a squeeky snake?
My wife and I have a black hawk with a 3.6 pentastar engine.
We have had the car from new and we love a good American built car.
We live in Tasmania Australia and the car has 117000 KM.
The only thing we have done to the car is new spark plugs and a regular service.
You shouldn’t talk about other countries when the USA has BIDEN as the commander and chief.🤪🤪🤪
F U
@@richardfabrizio8998 🤣😂🤣😂
can confirm. 2015 200s. I have replaced he oil filter adapter housing 2x with stock plastic parts. still leaked replaced with doorman all aluminum part, and haven't had a lick of issues with it since.
I did this on a 2011 Charger with the Dorman replacement. Had to do it again 3 months later because the Dorman gaskets completely disintegrated in chunks. Bought oem gaskets and reinstalled it. It’s been fine for 3 years now.
I have this exact same problem with the wifes 2015 dodge journey. guess I know what my weekend project is going to be.Thanks for the video Ray!
Professor Ray, you gave me chest pain once I realized what the repair was going to be. Your saving grace is that the engine is placed sideways as opposed to the Pentastar 3.6 in my Jeep Wrangler. Yes, I have had it replaced once under warranty. What a royal pain in the rear to be able to get the manifold off to be able to make such a replacement, much less change the plugs. I’m tempted to order the Dorman just to have it available if the first replacement were to go bad. My son-in-law had an Exxon Valdez spill in his Jeep Cherokee during a Christmas visit to Kansas. My brother’s daughter also had one give up the ghost in a Liberty I believe it was, or Compass. You made it look easy enough to consider attempting a replacement on my own if need be. Thank you.
Hey Ray, the next day after watching this, I checked my chrystler pacifica, and low and behold, this was leaking. Got on order and will change it soon. Thanks for the video.
I like the new video Format Raymond Came together very nice after editing 7:34 @Rainman Ray's Repairs
4 More Spray cans!
Its always satisfying to see Ray Reconnect all the electronic connectors and hoses an such on the home stretch when he repairs an engine
Ray you show off, out performing counterparts with ONE HAND. You go boy!!!
Great job, Ray! I've done this job so many times I've lost count!
Those red connectors on the fuel injectors screwed me. After pulling everything apart to get to the rear 02 sensor and few other things,I reassembled everything, crazy rough start and engine codes. Pulled everything apart all over, reassembled to see if I missed something, same rough running. Had to suck it up and took to a trusted mechanic thinking I dropped something down the intake. Turns out one injector clip was broken even though it felt like it clipped in. He fixed it with a zip tie for a cold 12 pack. Boy was I relieved.
My Durango had the same problem at 100k. The aluminum unit was sold out so I got the plastic Dorman unit. It didn't last 1 oil change. Aluminum still out of stock. The second replacement was NAPA (OEM supposedly) and has been fine for the next 70k miles.
Just a suggestion, after removing the front supprt bracket nuts remove the rear support bracket nuts and loosen the bracket bolts on back of head, then when removing upper air intake pull to rear slightly and lift up, this avoids having to pull the front support bracket.
It's so nice that the oil cooler comes with the gaskets for the other components that have to be removed to get to it. I've never seen that before.
Another very instructive video Ray. Love to settle down at the end of a long day and watch your repair videos. Keep up the great work.
Same part similar issue on a 2012 Grand Cherokee 3.6. The only difference is it was anti freeze leaking through a crack in the case. Had the same metal upgrade kit for it.
I have a 2014 Dodge Grand Caravan with a 3.6. I changed the filter housing out with an aluminum replacement, before it had the chance to leak. Changed it out when the back spark plugs were changed.
Love your videos and how you show how the actual repairs are done
Love brake cleaner.....it has SO many uses !!!!!!!!!!! Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ANOTHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!