To think that all of these guys spend hundreds and hundreds of hours trying to perfect their speedruns, and still come across glitches they've never seen before. Incredible, how broken this game is.
Sonic '06 is in a league of its own though. Just watch Game Grumps trying to casually play this shit. It's ridiculous the kind of bugs this game presents to the player.
+T3n50r The Game Grumps really aren't a good example given that there often play bad on purpose to A) Make a Game one of them don't like look really bad so that there Community will pretend it in any way shape or form bad because there said so OR B)Do create more situations to react to and so increasing the overall comedic quality the video will have in the end
Jack Bradley 06 loading screens arent nearly as long as some other games out there (kingdom hearts 2.5 has way longer load times, especially the english version).
This game has some of the most amazing meta: It’s a bad game, about a character known for going fast, that’s actually good, but only if you can speedrun it. It is the purest Sonic game!
When you hear him talk about speedrunners getting the fastest time on "Who is the captain" made me laugh so much. It's such a little thing, a tiny mission in a game. but speedrunners determined to get the quickest of the quickest 'single step to the right and text box' time, sorta speak hahaha. One of the best and entertaining speedruns of a sonic game i've ever seen. Was really fun to see and listen to them explaining!
Perfect Focus No. He's talking about Metal Solid Gear V, part of the famous Metal Solid Gear series of games, starring the beloved super spy known as Gear Snake.
50:16 "i grinded this IL for 7-8 hours" 50:46 I dont know what youre clapping for i just talked to a guy" Lol his dedication is either admirable or really concerning. either way it's amazing
From a game dev perspective, a lot of the issues and even loading issues seem to boil down to this: - use of degenerate meshes and scripts (which is why some debris kill you) - lack of boolean checks during scripted movement (to disable damage or controls) - non-stage specific mechanics which allows abuse between stages of non-intended mechanics For the loading issues, it looks like the colliders, textures, reflections and lightings are all too high quality and real-time. They could have set the home hub in a cache or something but didn't so it reloads everytime... which makes no sense in this context since most stages are not long so you would be expected to return to the hub. This of course does not cover the wall clipping which are genuine glitches that should've been QA'd and fixed with additional colliders or Out of bounds checks.
Apparently, the game has no checks for whether an asset is already loaded when loading a new level. Hence why entering a mission is always equally slow, even if it takes place in the same level as you entered the mission from.
I played through this game a long time ago, in english. I'm saying in English because I'm french canadian and wasn't fluent in english yet. Everyone who says they had a bad time with this game had a worse time then I did.
I replayed this game in French a few years ago (native English speaker). Of course there is no French dub of the game, only French subs, which are fairly rudimentary translations anyways.
Wow, he made one of the most universally hated sonic games actually look fun! Fun to watch, that is. I can't comprehend actually playing this run. And yeah, I almost feel bad calling this the worst sonic game after a run this amazing.
The game has a reputation for being buggy as all hell (among other things, but that's not the point), but that doesn't mean it can't be fun. If you're playing it "as intended", chances are you're not going to have fun due to how buggy literally EVERYTHING is. If you're playing the game to exploit the bugs present to tear the game a new one, there's where that fun can kick in.
The game is undeniably awful, in and out. However, it's a great history lesson into how easy it is to mismanage an IP as fragile as Sonic, and just funny to play through.
Joopsh Whort "how easy it is to mismanage an IP as fragile as Sonic" Considering the previous games to come out in the franchise, fragile is an understatement.
I'm pretty sure there isn't even a solid foundation on how to make a good 3d sonic game anymore. I hope that Sonic Mania/Project Sonic 2017 are actually good.
Only Sonic 06 can exist in a polarised singular state where it seems terrible all the time and yet can be surprisingly fun. I guess 'objectively good' and enjoyment are not necessarily the same thing. XD
I love that they know about the game grumps , one of the best moments on the internet happened when they did this playthrough . I was so happy watching all the parts the first time when i was sick , it really helped me get through my illness
I was among the many who slogged through about 108 episodes of Sonic '06 on Game Grumps and while I wouldn't trade that playthrough for anything, seeing a speedrun of this game makes it look like an actually good game in comparison. Breaking the game, using light speed dash to maintain actual momentum, and knowing how to (mostly) keep the game from randomly screwing you over made this go so smoothly and dare I say QUICKLY that it really felt like Sonic was wasting no time in saving the day for once. For years I've been sitting on concepts and ideas for an ACTUALLY GOOD Sonic game, but alas I don't work for Sega so I don't know if those will ever come to fruition. Anyway, amazing run and thoroughly enjoyable. It's one thing seeing people take good games and break them, but it's another entirely to experience someone taking a broken game and make it actually look good by breaking it more. Very nice.
Hello raddfoxx from 5 years ago. Check out "Project 06". It's a PC remake of Sonic 06 but not broken. There are a lot of quality of life fixes that make the game much more enjoyable and playable. Also, I hope 2024 raddfoxx is doing well. 🙂
I believe that the reason you can control knuckles when you complete the level when he isn't supposed to, you can still move in the results screen is because when you take damage to launch yourself down as knuckles is flying gets stored, and when you complete the level, the game thinks that you haven't completed the level, but at the same time it knows that you've completed the level, so the game just allows you to keep control over knuckles.
34:09 "You gotta draw the line somewhere. You gotta draw the fucking line in the sand, dude. You gotta make a statement. You gotta look inside of yourself and say: "What am I willing to put up with today?" NOT FUCKING THIS." "I guess both of us got a little heated, and need to apologize to each other. -It's because we're in a lava stage, dude."
the funny thing is, sonic 06 is so glitchy and broken that ive been playing it for 13 years and im still TO THIS DAY finding out new glitches. well done!
I attempted to do that snowboarding trick in White Acropolis but i didn't do it properly and ended up jumping over the trigger for the boulder segment lol
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To think that all of these guys spend hundreds and hundreds of hours trying to perfect their speedruns, and still come across glitches they've never seen before. Incredible, how broken this game is.
I wonder if DSS ended up knowing about it or not
Erik Nordlund *cough* sonic boom *cough*
Sonic '06 is in a league of its own though. Just watch Game Grumps trying to casually play this shit. It's ridiculous the kind of bugs this game presents to the player.
+T3n50r
The Game Grumps really aren't a good example given that there often play bad on purpose to
A) Make a Game one of them don't like look really bad so that there Community will pretend it in any way shape or form bad because there said so
OR
B)Do create more situations to react to and so increasing the overall comedic quality the video will have in the end
Ryno Behnke He's talking about Jon Game Grumps. When they were more honest about just having a good time
I'd pay real world money for a podcast for that man to whisper in my ears about Sonic 06 strats
BONZI NO
BonziBuddy You're a fucking virus
your move joel
BonziBuddy especially if the person whispering is the guy in the black shirt
hey little mama let me wisper in your ear tell you something that you might like to hear
antigravity it good for taking out multiple enemies at once
this game dosent have laws of physics it has suggestions of physics.
eric conway the neighborhood gossip of physics
guidelines, really
Unfinished ideas
They're more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules.
@@billvolk4236 "I have pressed A, you must let me jump"
06: "I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request"
I didn't know you could speedrun a loading screen.
Jack Bradley lmao
Ravage Rave especially in this gaem
Jack Bradley 06 loading screens arent nearly as long as some other games out there (kingdom hearts 2.5 has way longer load times, especially the english version).
>>> NOW LOADING....
>>> NOW LOADING....
>>> NOW LOADING....
*NOW LOADING....*
NOW LOADING.... >>>
TimelineGoddess large enough numbers don't exist to describe this
This game has some of the most amazing meta: It’s a bad game, about a character known for going fast, that’s actually good, but only if you can speedrun it. It is the purest Sonic game!
And as a plus you can break the laws of physics
I unironically would take this game over Forces and probably even Shadow too
>>> NOW LOADING...
>>> NOW LOADING...
>>> NOW LOADING...
>>> NOW LOADING...
*NNOW LOADINGG...*
NOW LOADING... >>>
[Loading intensifies] when the arrows pass through.
awesome couch crew, awesome runner and a super broken game... isnt that a dream for any speedrun fan?!
Dennzyl Vania I love how they're never awkward and there are only comfortable silences
Dennzyl Vania
Why do you think Super Metroid is so popular to speedrun?
i haven't really seen too many bad couch members..... Unless we're talking bout that one RPG run where the dude wouldn't shut up
Think about that. One fifth of this speed run is just the fucking game loading.
Hawkeye04300 it’s actually a third of the entire run, which is even more insane
Are the couch people dressed like sonic shadow and silver with their shirt colors?
I only JUST noticed that. I was so focused on the game the whole time
When he said he was going to address the elephant in the room I was expecting him to say something about the guy in the black shirts voice.
play enough of a game like sonic 06 and you too shall become a man
Fuck his voice 👌
IT'S NO
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
NOW I'LL SHOW YOU, TAKE THIS!!!!
Not... now...
THE WHOLE CITY'S ON FIRE.
NICE SMILE!
-The worst one.
*NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*
When you hear him talk about speedrunners getting the fastest time on "Who is the captain" made me laugh so much. It's such a little thing, a tiny mission in a game. but speedrunners determined to get the quickest of the quickest 'single step to the right and text box' time, sorta speak hahaha.
One of the best and entertaining speedruns of a sonic game i've ever seen. Was really fun to see and listen to them explaining!
"Sonic's Story (No MSG)" oh good it's a healthy speedrun
Salorlor You're a genius XD
actually it's a myth that MSG is bad for your health
you're probably thinking of MSG4 phantom pain
Longfellow you mean mgsv phantom pain?
Perfect Focus No. He's talking about Metal Solid Gear V, part of the famous Metal Solid Gear series of games, starring the beloved super spy known as Gear Snake.
@@LongfellowLP monosodium glutamate is definitely bad for you lol
50:16 "i grinded this IL for 7-8 hours" 50:46 I dont know what youre clapping for i just talked to a guy" Lol his dedication is either admirable or really concerning. either way it's amazing
If this happened :
*Sonic attacks*
Silver: NO!
Sonic: It's no use!
27:05 I love how Sonic stops to pose and dance as that giant fire tornado is coming toward him lmao
You'll hear this a lot in sonic 06 "normally you're supposed to"
13:58 The audience: NO!
From a game dev perspective, a lot of the issues and even loading issues seem to boil down to this:
- use of degenerate meshes and scripts (which is why some debris kill you)
- lack of boolean checks during scripted movement (to disable damage or controls)
- non-stage specific mechanics which allows abuse between stages of non-intended mechanics
For the loading issues, it looks like the colliders, textures, reflections and lightings are all too high quality and real-time. They could have set the home hub in a cache or something but didn't so it reloads everytime... which makes no sense in this context since most stages are not long so you would be expected to return to the hub.
This of course does not cover the wall clipping which are genuine glitches that should've been QA'd and fixed with additional colliders or Out of bounds checks.
Nice
Apparently, the game has no checks for whether an asset is already loaded when loading a new level. Hence why entering a mission is always equally slow, even if it takes place in the same level as you entered the mission from.
37:08
"If you start over the game here, you hard lock your Xbox"
"Oh sick."
Lol that moment killed me, that dude has a cool voice too
People have said it already, but man that guy with the black shirt has a sexy voice. XD
What about Ted Zonaday (Chocolate Rain guy)
@@fade2black001 tay
54:40
There's the timestamp you're looking for.
rolling around at the speed of sound :/
I would be so upset!!!
The game was just mad cuz he was moving faster than it was loading
Nearly half of the run was loading zones
Literally LMAO
The loading zones were one of the worst parts of the game
@Elvick You just have to say the counting the boxes mission because that's your statement in a nutshell.
I played through this game a long time ago, in english.
I'm saying in English because I'm french canadian and wasn't fluent in english yet.
Everyone who says they had a bad time with this game had a worse time then I did.
I replayed this game in French a few years ago (native English speaker). Of course there is no French dub of the game, only French subs, which are fairly rudimentary translations anyways.
It's not a glitch, it's a feature.
I like how they included the box at the end in the youtube upload
I like how you found your dad
Zeldarulah
I like how I found my son
Zeldarulah
oh dam i just took in u made a HXH reference well dam i was on no sleep when i read ur comment cut me some slack
Nah, he dies in the Chimera Ant arc I was just kidding
what I find nonsense is that they were gonna cut it off when he was 10 under estimate
Wow, he made one of the most universally hated sonic games actually look fun!
Fun to watch, that is. I can't comprehend actually playing this run.
And yeah, I almost feel bad calling this the worst sonic game after a run this amazing.
The game has a reputation for being buggy as all hell (among other things, but that's not the point), but that doesn't mean it can't be fun.
If you're playing it "as intended", chances are you're not going to have fun due to how buggy literally EVERYTHING is. If you're playing the game to exploit the bugs present to tear the game a new one, there's where that fun can kick in.
The game is undeniably awful, in and out. However, it's a great history lesson into how easy it is to mismanage an IP as fragile as Sonic, and just funny to play through.
Joopsh Whort
"how easy it is to mismanage an IP as fragile as Sonic"
Considering the previous games to come out in the franchise, fragile is an understatement.
I'm pretty sure there isn't even a solid foundation on how to make a good 3d sonic game anymore. I hope that Sonic Mania/Project Sonic 2017 are actually good.
Only Sonic 06 can exist in a polarised singular state where it seems terrible all the time and yet can be surprisingly fun. I guess 'objectively good' and enjoyment are not necessarily the same thing. XD
ROLIN AROUND AT THE SPEED OF GLITCH
STANDING AROUND AT THE SPEED OF DIAGONAL
rolling around at the speed of
@@5uperM underrated coment
3:26
C418vgytre yay! He pressed the button!
C418vgytre thanks
ty
The hero i had to scroll too far down to find. They should pin these
*START* *AT* 3:26
Jayk0b Thanks!
That, "Your move, GameGrumps." had me dying.
I will never understand how SGDQ thinks there's no time when the estimate was for 1:10 and he finished with 9 minutes left?
other runs went past time most likely
Best speedrun I've seen by far. Literally. Definitely gonna be in my top favorites.
It has come to my attention that the whole city's on fire.
"We're going to pass the Trial of Intelligence by outsmarting the game." Heh.
I’ve played through this game twice and I love seeing somebody else understand this game so perfectly.
Who saw this game and thought it was okay to release?
It didn't get released. It broke out of the confines of its cage and rampaged onto the Earth like some sort of untamed monstrosity.
Cody Reynolds I
It wasn't okay to release, it had a deadline :/
Wow, nerdcubed donated during this run. Neat.
Yeah, glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. Although I've been scrolling through for like 5 minutes if not more looking for a comment about that lol
That means I watched this game for at least 15 hours
At 31:44 for anyone else looking for the specific time.
doors are just suggestions in speedruning
A less solid form of a normal wall
Thanks chair
One of my favorite GDQ's so far. Nice run!
I love that they know about the game grumps , one of the best moments on the internet happened when they did this playthrough . I was so happy watching all the parts the first time when i was sick , it really helped me get through my illness
I was among the many who slogged through about 108 episodes of Sonic '06 on Game Grumps and while I wouldn't trade that playthrough for anything, seeing a speedrun of this game makes it look like an actually good game in comparison. Breaking the game, using light speed dash to maintain actual momentum, and knowing how to (mostly) keep the game from randomly screwing you over made this go so smoothly and dare I say QUICKLY that it really felt like Sonic was wasting no time in saving the day for once. For years I've been sitting on concepts and ideas for an ACTUALLY GOOD Sonic game, but alas I don't work for Sega so I don't know if those will ever come to fruition. Anyway, amazing run and thoroughly enjoyable. It's one thing seeing people take good games and break them, but it's another entirely to experience someone taking a broken game and make it actually look good by breaking it more. Very nice.
Hello raddfoxx from 5 years ago. Check out "Project 06". It's a PC remake of Sonic 06 but not broken. There are a lot of quality of life fixes that make the game much more enjoyable and playable.
Also, I hope 2024 raddfoxx is doing well. 🙂
I'd love to see Arin and Jon react to this.
just love how precise speed runners are about everything. how they do their moves to doing everything to cut down time even by tenths of a second
How did they almost not have time for the box trick if the run ended 9 minutes ahead of the estimate??
ChibiTails lol right
Because a Speedrun is supposed to be the fastest they can go
Other runs going over estimate? Not really sure
I believe that the reason you can control knuckles when you complete the level when he isn't supposed to, you can still move in the results screen is because when you take damage to launch yourself down as knuckles is flying gets stored, and when you complete the level, the game thinks that you haven't completed the level, but at the same time it knows that you've completed the level, so the game just allows you to keep control over knuckles.
Holy shit, is that guy on the couch possessed by Satan? No normal human being could have a voice that low!
Miedax has the ideal male body and voice, your ears just haven't adjusted to perfection
The hardest part of this speedrun are the loading screens
I could just imagine Arin and Jon looking at this Silver fight in rage xD I'm so happy to see the speed run of this broken as heck game :p
34:09 "You gotta draw the line somewhere. You gotta draw the fucking line in the sand, dude. You gotta make a statement. You gotta look inside of yourself and say: "What am I willing to put up with today?" NOT FUCKING THIS."
"I guess both of us got a little heated, and need to apologize to each other. -It's because we're in a lava stage, dude."
Really cool run with great commentary, both from the runner and the couch
This game is oddly pleasing to watch as a speedrun.
Awesome run by the way!
3:25 to start
13:26 - "Your move, Gamegrumps!" (explain precursor)
Wait a second, inscrutable maps, ringing bells to open a gate, a bird picks you up and flies you to another place? Is Sonic 06 Dark Souls?
''Most of the problems this game has casually disappear in a speedrun setting''
*literally on a loading screen*
the funny thing is, sonic 06 is so glitchy and broken that ive been playing it for 13 years and im still TO THIS DAY finding out new glitches. well done!
I love that jab at GameGrumps.
Imagine trying a glitchless speedrun of this game... good luck
Numbers21589302 you cant do a glitchless run of a glitch you know?
I love watching their archive videos even the ones that arnt the best
I owned this game as a child. This is the first time ive see past the first stage.
This game brought me tears as a kid, and now I'm in tears of laughter as an adult.
*STOP MAKING THIS LOOK LIKE FUN!*
why are they all so fucking likeable
THIS is a GDQ run.
Sonic 06: The only game that is so glitchy that you can't tell it is a speedrun.
the dude in the middle of the couch has humor that is on fucking point.
this is one of if not the most entertaining gdq run, great commentary too, imo
noooooooooo
use!!!
_SHAAAAUUUUNNNN!!_
Adventure Sonic: *_"NAUGH!"_*
Dreamcast Sonic: *N A W*
54:45 I want that to be my loading cursor
even loading screens are glitched.. what a masterpaece
Love that they called out the game grumps a few times. LOVED THIS!!
The audience chanting "NO!" was the best part
Easily my favorite run of all time.
Ringing bells to open a gate?
Traveling by giant bird?
Horrific game breaking bugs?
This is just unpatched Dark Souls
Loading screen simulator 2006
31:45 for any NerdCubed fans out there, and also just for me to come back to this and glee with joy.
The way Triple talks about the game to introduce it shows how much it has broken him
Ayy they mentioned the Game Grumps moment!
That donation that mentioned the "Draw a line in the Sand" LMAO
Wasn't expecting Nerd3 to donate... even less that he would refrence his Nerd3 completes series on this game!
Sonic: Let’s head into the Volcano!
Those were the last words we heard of from sonic
The Devs probably spent the same time making the game than he just took to beat it.
What made this run perfect was that even Nerd Cubed donated xD
the jazz at the start is so good i need it in my life
When the game gives them a Rank B, I feel like that’s the game telling them ‘c’mon, I’m way more broken than THAT’
You can't RNG this game due to the Loading screen XD
This is my favorite speed run from agdq
*Sonic '06 10th anniversary.*
My favourite speedrun ever.
I'd love for someone to actually calculate what percentage of this run is loading screens.
I attempted to do that snowboarding trick in White Acropolis but i didn't do it properly and ended up jumping over the trigger for the boulder segment lol
Eric!!
La forma de que no te salgan bugs es evitarlos!
Pero es que buscan los bugs
Zapato!
Personalisadss
My favorite parts are when they explain the glitches they use as strats
“Go on go, 3...2...1...Go!” *Timer starts literally 5 seconds later*
i held my breath during the crisis city mock speed section haha
That fucking deep voice on the couch! Wow dude! I'm jealous.
I didn't know Jesus knew so much about Sonic 06...
I thoroughly enjoyed this game as a kid
Kinda says a lot when the best way to play Sonic '06 is to make the game be over as fast as possible.
i remember playing this game with my friends like a decado ago, and the biggest challenge was the fight against the bugs
I watch this run every GDQ.
This must be the most infuriating game to speedrun because no matter what you do, half your run will always be loading screens
Middle guy on the couch has the face of a high school freshman and the voice of a bouncer in Sin City