They're Dipper/Mabel when they grow up; one over thinks and misses everything right in front of them, the other is very emotional and can miss the bigger picture. The parallels throughout the series are fantastic when you see them.
@@cousinpatsey2471 Only Stanley didn't make Stanford sacrifice anything for him, didn't almost get him killed cuz of his fantasies, didn't make him feel guilty for his dream and didn't cause an apocalypse without even apologising.
@@cybercriminal3110 no, Stanley only denied Ford's chance at a quality education, nearly got him killed by throwing him into the portal through other dimensions, and nearly let the apocalypse win because he couldn't not be an ass for 15 seconds. BTW- the "Mabel is terrible" crowd is full of shitheads that couldn't interpret her any worse if they tried. Dont fall for their nonsense.
@@cousinpatsey2471 The fact is, he didn't mean it (except for not holding hands, but he sacrificed himself after, so it's ok). He didn't mean to break that thing and immediately regretted it. Mabel did EVERYTHING intentionally and it was Dipper (!) who apologised. Honestly Stanford and Mabel are more alike - they're both selfish. I'm not falling for the crowd, I'm not even that into Gravity Falls fandom, and I don't hate Mabel. I just dislike her very much.
This situation is heartbreaking, and a brilliant illustration of sibling dynamics. Stanford can only trust his brother to hide this journal to prevent the end of the world, and thinks he’s being a selfish jerk. Stanley just wants to reconnect with his twin, and he thinks he’s being told to take a hike. Shakespeare would love this sort of tragic miscommunication.
One stanford is a really jerk and crazy and two stanley destroy the machine because he wants him and his brother to be together again and he's afraid to loose a brother.
Oh man, I just realize that they could make a spin off about Stanford's 30 years journey in the other dimension, if that happens, I'll watch the heck out of it.
I love how this show has actual legitimate responses to things. Like the way Ford quickly jumps to apologizing and checking to see if Stan was okay and how Stan just got more pissed because that's a natural response to pain especially in a fight. I swear I've seen so many shows where it would've led to a make up. I love this show and how realistic it is
@@monberg1000 it is realistic in the sense of this is how people argue. This is how people react. And while the show may not be realistic in the plot it is realistic in its characters which is one of the better parts of the show
Stanley may have inadvertently ruined Stanford’s chance to go to his dream school, but to be forever condemned even by his entire hometown? That’s too far. His parents should’ve just sent him to some reformatory school if they think he really needed to be straightened up, because they did more than abandon him. And what about Stanford? Maybe that Backupsmore University isn’t the best, but I thought his incredible potential meant he would qualify anywhere, unless some other schools caught wind of the incident. And if he was righteous, he wouldn’t stop thinking about his family along the way with his studies, regardless of how busy he is, unless deep down he knew what his parents did was too far. Besides, Stanley admitting his mistakes wouldn’t change anything, not just because it’s been so many years, so it isn’t any wonder he called Stanford selfish, Stanley can’t be called selfish if he genuinely did care about his brother in spite of the mistake.
@William TEHAN [12S1] Yes. But had his family not disowned him he wouldn't have been in that mess. Like, it's not just his parents, but any aunts uncles or grandparents around may have disowned him as well.
Very old account Like really old I think Stanford was (mostly) over not getting into his dream school, but siblings hold onto old wrongs for life. He could just as easily have yelled at Stanley for stealing his girlfriend in high school, or trashing their shared bike.
You know, looking back Stanfords argument doesn't hold as much weight as it used to. Was losing his dream school a major blow yes......Kinda of. However, think about it, it's not like it really stopped him. He still earned like 12 doctorates, graduated earlier than any normal person could, got an ass ton of money to study the stuff he wanted and probably made enough discoveries and inventions that just from the patents alone he'd be the richest man on the planet. Not even counting the number of awards he'd win, I mean the guy built an interdimensional portal for crying out loud. Meanwhile Stanley, because his dad booted him out, basically became a giant wreck. Being banned in numerous states, getting arrested, having no money, no family or friends and basically being everything his family thought he would be in the end. Does Ford have some justification to be mad yes, but of the two of them Stanley definitely has the high ground here.
I totally agree. I love Ford and I understand his devastation at losing out on his dream school. But like you said for the most part, he's had a pretty good life. That and the fact that he's still mad about the school thing 40 years later (referring to the current timeline of the show) is just petty.
I always thought the reason Ford was so pissed with Stan is ,because in the scene where Ford questions Stan about his broken device, Stan tries and turns into his thing. He instantly brings up treasure hunting instead of apologising or trying to fix. But yes, Ford still did have a damn good life.
Agreed, it's simply just a stupid little kiddie grudge he's holding over Stan's head. Of course, Stan calling what he did a 'mistake' didn't help his case at all.
True, plus the fact Stan calls it a mistake just adds to why Ford is pissed. Saying it's a mistake is like basically admitting he did it, and breaking it was a mistake. Not an accident, which it is.
so lets say that they were 18 when they parted as teens, then they didn't see each other after 10 years to then they are now 28 years old, Stanford was gone for 30 years so that means Stanley and Stanford are about 58 years old.
I think Stan might have been exaggerating a bit when he said he was pushing 70. Yes technically speaking he IS pushing 70 but he and Ford got another 12 years before that. Stan and Ford couldn't have been older than 18 when they parted ways because they were still in highschool. So like Nikki said, 18+10=28. 28+30=58
Nikki yeah, and since the show takes place in 2012, that means the Pines twins were born in 1954 meaning that they'd have been 12, the current Pines children's age in 1966. I theorize that Shermy is the older brother by 6 years by the way and that the baby in A Tale of Two Stans was Dipper and Mabel's father. The older than six years has no evidence I admit, but it was the only way to put the baby at around half a year old that wasn't incredibly awkward.
It makes sense for them to be around that age since stanley had to be in good physical shape for the episode: not what he seems. 70 would be exaggerating
Connor McLernon If the baby in A Tale of Two Brothers was the twins' dad, then Stan and Ford would not be their great uncles but just their uncles. So that baby must be their grand father.
This line always gets me: "I'M selfish?! I'm selfish!? Stanley, how can you say that after costing me my DREAM SCHOOL!?!" That entire sentence is so selfish! How much has Ford blinded himself to his brothers side of the story that he's actually saying that to his brothers face after hearing what Stan's been through? I love Ford but God, is he flawed and a bit selfish. And I've felt that way since I first saw this episode.
Zarina A113 I don't think it was the fact that he lost out of his dream school, as he puts it, but the implications of his brother betraying him (which is what he sees it as from his point of view) that caused him to still feel a sense of resentment. If you think about it, Stanley was the only friend Stanford had. When Stanley broke his perpetual motion machine project (probably), Stanford saw it as selfish of Stanley. He always viewed Stanley as a person that would support him in whatever he endeavoured, but his trust was broken when he finds out Stanley has broken his project, which is admittedly selfish on Stanley's part. I think it's just that, the broken trust that continues to cause Stanford to feel betrayal and some resentment because/towards his brother. Just my take on it though.
True point, and Stan didn't exactly make his case any better. He didn't tell Ford he'd broken it, he wasn't remorseful hearing his twin had been denied entry into his dream school (trying to put a spin on it saying that this would mean treasure hunting for them), and he refers to it as a mistake. That just sounded weird! If I was Stan, I'd call it an accident, not a mistake. It sounds like he's saying, "It was a mistake that I broke his machine on purpose." While he was mad at what it would mean being left behind, he certainly didn't intend to break Ford's machine. If he had, he'd have smashed the machine, not just pounded the table. And he's horrified at what he did the second it breaks showing it was an accident. Zarina A113 true but it just shows how even a perfect character isn't perfect. Ford has an insane intellect but he's no where near perfect. Shows how even a genius isn't perfect as we all believe them to be. They are people, like us. With flaws.
@@ds-dx3ks Oh I definitely see that. But if that's what he wanted to express he'd have said: "How can you say that after betraying me for yourself?" But he didn't. He said something very selfish while accusing his brother of that same selfishness minutes after hearing how his brother essentially gave up his life for him. I won't deny anything you said, I just don't think they apply to this scene. I'm not saying either brother is wrong or right in this situation, that's what makes GF so amazing. Both sides are equally morally grey. Which is great for kids shows. I hope we see more of it's type in the bear future.
@@22Tesla Exactly! Ford's flaws make him more interesting to us. (Less so for the characters) And I wish he'd gotten more development on screen. I guess we'll have to write/read fan fiction of he and Stan growing as people on their boat.
I really like this fight. The way it’s portrayed isn’t about who’s the wrong and who’s right. It’s about who’s more justified, which is the conclusion each individual watcher can have, whether they are the same or differ. Some stand with Stanford, because of how he never obtained the apology from Stanley about his mess up that ruined Ford’s chances at getting into a great school (though he admittedly was able to achieve success due to his intellect). Then there’s Stan who just wanted to stay with his brother, and a single mistake quite literally damaged their relationship and ruined his life. And when the time came to reconnect, he was essentially told to take a hike and never come again. Honestly, both sides have compelling arguments, and that just makes watching them fight all the more interesting.
While I agree both the brothers have their own justifiable reasons for being mad at one another, I think Ford was more in the wrong majority of it. Was it bad that Ford lost his chances to go to his dream school? Yes, of course. And sure if he really thought Stanley sabotaged him I get he'd be mad at first. But he never gave his brother really a chance to tell his side if the story. Sure, Stanley immediately mentioning the treasure hunting may have not been the smartest move, but he didn't deserved to get kicked out of the house. Plus, Ford's life still turned out pretty well up until meeting Bill. He still went to college, graduated with multiple doctorates, got God knows how much cash to study whatever wanted, and potentially could've became the most successful person on Earth. Meanwhile, Stanley was banned from numerous states in the US, was sent to prison multiple times, and had more enemies than friends or family to rely for help. So basically what I'm saying is while Ford had justifiable reasons for being mad at Stan, he should've gotten over it before meeting him 10 years later. And the fact Ford was still pissed at him after spending 30 years of his own life trying to get his brother back? Petty and ungrateful.
1:42 Stanley: You left me behind you jerk. It was supposed to be us forever. You ruined my life! Stanford: You ruined your own life. The story of 2 brothers.
This scene. Whenever I see it, it always makes me upset. Ford and Stan are both my favorite characters, and it feels like a punch in the gut seeing this. I can't just pick a side, because it's not an, "Oh! One's wrong, one's right!" type thing. Neither one of them is right nor wrong. They both have reasons to be upset at each other. They both made mistakes. I agree and disagree with both of them to certain extents. I just sit in the middle. I'm not fully on Stan's side, nor am I on Ford's. It's just one of those things where you can't choose.
Totally agree, it's why his relationship it's the best and most interesting in the entire show because both had flaws, both did mistakes and none of them are completely right or completely wrong. It honestly makes me sad when the fandom tends to blame it all exclusively on Ford and santify Stan ignoring his wrongdoings.
Just like John Lennon and Paul McCartney argues after their band, The Beatles broke up and he married to Yoko Ono. In Dec 8th 1980, he was murdered by Mark David Chapman. Paul was not happy. I’m sure he feels bad after John died.
both had a depressing life lol ford:been bullied through out his life. he lost his chance to go to his dream school and Had many more traumas insomnia and fear..when bill his 'muse' arrived stan:never had friends been abused and put down by his father and lost his brother and wasted 30 years to get him back.. lost trust from his brother..
@disneyparksstarwarslover7638 living it up in your fancy house in the woods selfishly hoarding your college money because you only care about yourself!
I love many things abour Gravity Falls, and one of them is about how relatable it is. I mean, siblings.. we fight alot. ALOT. We only realize how important our siblings are when we lose them.
Who had it worse? Stanford was haunted by a dream demon, made his friend go nuts and was on the verge of insanity Stanley was abandoned by everybody he knew, he was basically homeless and he was constantly breaking the law just to repay his family for something he didn't mean to do
@@jrax1713 neither did Stanley. He could've sucked it up and told Ford about what happened to the machine right after he accidentally broke it. Ford could've fixed it before the presentation
I don't know if the fact that Stan was actually able to rebuild Ford's portal is a sign of him actaully being smart when he puts his mind to something, or a signifier of just how determined he was to get his brother back.
I just realized something, Dipper and Mabel are a lot like Ford and Stan: Dipper and Ford are both serious, mystery loving intellectuals, Mabel and Stan are both less serious, quirky and are always getting into some kind of mischief.
I think the reason Stanford is still a little salty isn’t that Stanley ruined his machine. It’s that Stanley didn’t apologize and instead brought up treasure hunting. I mean, if my sibling ruined something that cost me something huge, then didn’t even apologize, I’d be kinda pissed too. That’s just my take on it
You've nailed it, trust me, it's not your take exclusively, many people think like that too. The problem isn't even the project or college itself, it's the fact that Stan betrayed Ford: he might not have destroyed the project on purpose, that's true, but sneaking inside the school at night to "yell at a project and hitting it", then cover his tracks and not telling him anything, and once confronted about it, shrugging it off, not apologizing or even showing any sign of guilt and telling him to do with him what HE wanted from the start with a huge happy smile, those are not accidents. To Ford, it felt like Stan had sabotaged him only because he couldn't handle the thought of Ford doing something different than they both did as kids and not having him there to rely on anymore, so when Stan does all of this to Ford, costing him his dreams and not even showing a pitch of remorse over it, showing happiness instead, felt to Ford like a huge betrayal, not just destroying his dreams, but the only stable relationship Ford ever had in his life. Of course Ford is pissed and resentful at Stan over this. Pitty that most people just think Ford is being petty and throwing a fit over nothing.
@@laurenmungaray3912 It wasn't his family who disowned him, it was his abusive sorry excuse for a father who did that, Ford and their mother never agreeded to that. Also, Stan DID explain himself, he told Ford about it after Ford confronted him about it and Stan shrugged it off as if it was no big deal and told him to sail with him. He painted himself in a terrible light and made it look like he had done it on purpose and didn't even show a single hint of remorse or guilt after costing his brother his dreams and future. Did he deserve to get kicked out? Obviously not, but let's not make it as if Stan had been innocent in that situation, he wasn't, he single handledly screwed up Ford's future and broke his trust.
@@laurenmungaray3912 No, they didn't. Ford was a teenager that had just been betrayed by his brother and Caryn was holding her grandkid when it happened, she didn't even know what was happening when Filbrick kicked Stan out. Do you even know what living with an abusive asshole for a dad is? What living in fear is? It's not about "letting it happen", no one in that house wanted that to happen except Filbrick, it's about not being able to do anything becaue they were scared of him, all of them.
1:07 I think at some extent, he was listening to his brother and was actually starting to feel a little sorry. But then Stan called him selfish, and he returned to his emotional shelter.
Now this is how you do an argument Venture Bros and Rick and Morty Writers. We've seen both their cases and agree with both of them to certain extents, while disagree with one or the other about who is more selfish in this case.
Venture Bros and Gravity Falls are both well written imo. I find the characters from both shows really entertaining as well with the jokes. Also with the Venture Bros, the creators take their time to have no continuity errors in their show. I don’t know what to say about Gravity Falls tho, I haven’t watched the show in forever
I enjoy both venture bros and Gravity Falls, and I feel they both have a similar premise with different takes on family and adventure. ( plus the argument between Hank and Dean at the end of season 7 is pretty cut and dry if you watch all of the episodes, one feels rejected by their father and the other feels rejection from everyone but their father)
I can’t blame Ford for wanting an identity and life outside of being Stanley’s twin brother. But Stanley didn’t deserve to be abandoned by his family. It’s such a sad story all around.
I love how the writing can still feel incredibly tense but still have comedy worked in to where it doesn't overshadow the argument, Stanley's line "You think you got problems? I got a MULLET Stanford" 😭
people need to also consider that Ford hasn't slept in days. three or four days without sleep and you can hilucinate, and in the journal it sounds like it was longer than that. Ford was manic, not thinking very rationally
I watched Kung Fu Panda 3 so after watching some parts, I close my eyes and think of Kai. It works depending I you know what I mean. I mean they sound so similar in certain scenes
Despite his many flaws, I do feel for Stan in this. He's spent years making terrible life choices that drove him further and further down, and when he thinks he's getting a chance to reconcile with his estranged twin brother, it's only because Ford wants him to do something for him. It's because Ford is extending his trust to Stan, sure, but he doesn't seem to get how Stan would realistically react to this. The real rift is because they grew up into two different people and couldn't overcome those differences. Then Ford gets trapped in another dimension and Stan spends the next 30 years desperately trying to find a way to rescue him. It's a really compelling sibling tragedy and you really get invested in how they'll progress from here.
I really love how nervous and apologetic Ford was when he burned his brother. Really shows how he’s still a good person and really does care about Stan
Stan and ford remind me of me and my own brother. We got along great as kids but now it’s like we barely know each other. Like we are ALOT like them personality wise aswell
Nah, that fake car crash happened after Stanford got accidentally pushed into the portal. Stanley faked his own death and assumed his brother’s identity.
@@theluigifan1 Oh hey the luigifan1! Now I know you're probably not gonna see this, but can I just say that I love your performance as Bowser in Foozle's Nintendo High!
*Endgame opening scene* Captain America: "Tony, you don't understand what I'm up against. What I've been through!" Iron Man: "No, you don't understand what I've been through! You kept secrets from me, and destroyed my trust! I nearly got killed by the man who destroyed half of all life in the universe! My surrogate son disintegrated in front of my eyes! You think you've got problems? I've got a MULLET, Steve! Meanwhile, where have you been? Not giving a shit about my plans for the Avengers, a suit of armor around the world, Sokovia Accords, because you only care about yourself!" Captain America: "I'm selfish? I'm selfish?! Tony, how could you say that when I saved your ass from outer space?! I'm giving you the chance to set things right, and YOU'RE the one not giving a shit!" Iron Man: "Well, here's what I give a shit about..." *Tony faints, having been malnourished for 22 days*
I just love the balance between complex drama and family-show simplicity in their conflict. I mean, they don't go too dramatic but they do acknowledge the tragedy of the situation. Great, great writing. Also, see what eye Stanley closed 2:02? The one he will cover with the eye patch later. Perhaps a coincidence, perhaps not.
Actually, there are quite alot of pages in the Journal 3 replica book where Ford goes over what all he did, and the circumstances that led to him returning.
Both of them were just being jerks.... Stanley should have just stated that he missed his brother instead of being an asshole.... and he shouldn't have blamed his brother... and Stanford should have been willing to empathize more.... They needed a proper talk... they needed to fix things... but they didn't...
AU: everything in gravity falls is normal from beginning to end but when dipper tells mabel about his intern-ship from Ford this scene happens Dipper:things change... *mabel takles him and they start fighting* Dipper: MABEL I THOUT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND! I CANT BE HELD BACK FOREVER! *mabel takes the journal and dipper takles her they flip over* Mabel: YOU'RE LEAVING ME BEHIND YOU JERK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE US FOREVER YOUR RUINING MY LIFE!! dipper:YOU'RE RUINING YOUR OWN LIFE *Dipper kicks mabel into a nail in the wall and it cuts her, mabel screams and tears up* Dipper: oh my god.. Mabel! Are you okay I'm so sorry- *mabel punches him and dipper drops the journal with an angry look on his face* Mabel:Some brother you are... you care about your dumb mysteries than your own family??? WELL YOU CAN HAVE THEM!!! *mabel picks up the journal and shoves it into dippers chest, he falls back into stanford and Stanley who have been there the whole time watching it happen* Ford: ... Stan: Pumpkin! Are you oka- *mabel runs out of the room crying and the show continues* (I'm not sorry)
The way I see it a lot of people can relate more with Stanley than Stanford because not everyone can finish both high school and collage. Also people can go thought a list of Financial struggles just to get by.
The problem was that Ford didn't try to tell Stan about the situation. Stan wanted to reconnected with Ford; however, he see that Ford was pushing him away for no good reason. Ford mess up really bad. Ford was being paranoid. Due to the fact that he was using Stan to hide his journals instead of trying to reconcile with him, Ford was being stupid.
This sibling dynamic always remembered my sister and I, we're not twins, but we've always been like it, and extremely close connection, even between thoughts, mature, the same literal face. And we're so different from the other one, but we still love each other.
Stanley had it worse than Ford but the whole reason they had that blowout was because it was just 10 years of buried emotions waiting to explode. Had they argued/talked about it more before parting ways they might’ve resolved it at this reunion.
After reading Journal 3...trust me, Ford didn't have it any easier than Stan: let's not forget that Bill tricked him and abused him phsycollogically and physically by possessing his body every time he slept, with Ford having the weight of the world on his shoulders because of committing the mistake he did of trusting the wrong person. Because of Bill, he fell into a cycle of paranoia and instanity that nearly killed him.
@@dracoangelrojo Okay, but this whole conflict could have been avoided if Ford had just allowed Stanley to burn the journal. What difference does it make that it's buried somewhere no one will ever find or that it becomes a pile of ashes? It's not as if the knowledge that it contains would ever be put to use again
@@M4x_P0w3r Because Ford PLANNED to go back for the journal once the portal was taken down and Bill could never come through. The journals were his entire research, his life work. He planned to keep them safe until he dismantled the portal, and then call back Stan with the journal, get the others back, fix things up with him, and then continue his research. It's all in journal 3.
@@dracoangelrojo Well, what if something happened to Stan while he was away, burying the journal god knows where? Then he would have lost the journal and his brother for real. Stan was in a really poor financial state and had literally no type of support
The one thing I’ll never get is why Ford never just told Stan “There’s an evil triangle that wants to destroy the world, and I’m the only one who can stop him”. Even after Stan rescues him, Ford is just mad at Stan for potentially giving Bill an opening to escape, and yet refuses to explain himself, even though Stan knows who Bill is. Half of their friction would never have happened had Ford just explained himself.
Who has been dealt the harsher blow? Ford: led astray by a demonic Illuminati triangle to build a gateway to the third dimension and having his every thought and move at risk of being overshadowed by said demon. Stan: has a mullet.
Imagine a version of the show where Stanford gets thrown into the portal, and his brother tries everything to get him back, but can't. (Literally billions of fricking alternative dimensions to hop through.) Stanford actually makes his way back on his own, and Stanley is there to meet him. But Stanford, doesn't care. It's been a long 30 or so years in those dimensions, and he barely made his way here. He appears somehow smarter than when he left, not nessecairly because of an intellect increase but more of the years have given him wisdom. His years of existence out there in who knows where, have caused him to think differently. He's a survivalist. And he cant count on anyone but himself. "Stanford! Stanford its you!" "Oh great, I finally find a way out of that hellscape and the first person I see is the guy that got me stuck there in the first place." "Wow, thats... deserved, but harsh. I'm just happy you're alive!" "Yeah? Go be happy on someone else's time." _stanford then proceeds to destroy the portal, after yet another fight, similar to their first._ "You should've done that years ago Stanley. Wasn't any reason to come looking for someone assumed dead anyway. Or at least you should've assumed me dead." "What would you do that for?! That was my life's work! I tried Stanford I really tried, but I couldn't pinpoint your dimension. I couldn't save you." "Yeah well, think about saving yourself. The horrors on that side of the universe, they want to find a way in this one. I dont quite understand how or why, but maybe you can. Find a way to protect the earth." "Stanford, it can't have been that terrible could it? I spent years researching... I knew it was possibly terrible, there was this... extr-" "Extra dimensional being shaped like a triangle, yeah I know. Had a few run ins with him. Didn't like me much, but then nobody ever did, or has. You got any alcohol around here?" "You- you met cypher?" "Yeah I met cypher. Crazy son of a gun, insists on moving his own dimension to ours. As I said, save the earth Stanley. Anyway, where'd you say that alcohol was?" "I didn't, and I'm not sure what you expect me to do." "I told you, save the earth. And if you can't do it, I'll find a way to. People here never liked me, but that doesn't mean all of them are terrible. Mom and dad were alright people. Well, mom was anyway. She had issues, but everyone does. Is, is that a kid? Did you have kids while I was gone?" "What? No! I mean, no. This is our great niece and nephew. I sort of forgot they were here for a minute." "Huh. That's, different. Didn't take you as the family type." "And just what is that supposed to mean?" "You know exactly what it means. Hey kid, you got anything to defend yourself?" Dipper: "uuuuuuuh, not particularly..." "Great, what kinda dimension doesn't arm their kids? Here take this crossbow." *he tosses a crossbow at dipper.* "Stanford you cant jus-" "Cant just what huh? You have no idea what you've gotten yourself into. It's coming sooner than you think, and if we cant stop it no one will." "What's coming stan? You sound like a madman." "Cypher. He wants a way out. I explained this... jeez, what kinda numbnut did you become? Spend a little bit of time in one dimension only and your brain goes to mush." "Stanford, I'm still smarter than you. And frankly that was uncalled for." "Whatever. Get those kids out of here. We need to get to planning." "Not a hug, not a hello, not a glad to see you?" "Stanley, you were the last person I wanted to see upon returning to this dimension. And frankly I dont care about out past issues. Right now it's about saving the world." "Alright..." "Good. Now let's get to work." Ey, never said I was good with dialogue, but I'd imagine it'd go something like this.
I wanted to say other thing, but I am just going to rant: It is easy to see Dipper and Ford as "the rationals" and Mabel and Stan as "the emotionals", and although that is true, that is a very, VERY shallow explanation. People shit on Mabel for almost causing the end of the world to a sickening degree. They call her inmature and selfish. Even when everything turned out fine, people hate Mabel and that angers me so much. Stan almost caused the end of the world, TWICE, because all he wanted was to reconect with his brother. And guess what, everything turned out fine, yet nobody gives him any shit for that. Ford was very self centered and selfish. Yes, Stan ruined his school project and his school opportunities at the time, but his life? He is in front of a machine thag defies reality, goes beyond the current science, something so uncomprehensible that the word that defines it is "weird". He didn't make sense out of the weird, as science does; he took a word that we use only to point out what we don't understand and made it an object of study. He didn't clarify the weird, he outright studied and comprehended "weirdness" as a thing in itself. He vanished his brother, the person who loved him the most, from his "now ruined life" and yet Ford life was completely fine. Meanwhile Stan lived as a fugitive. He traveled around the world, not as a success, but out of necessity, out of survival. Yet, he survived however he could, emphasis on COULD. His talents were not as obvious and evident as his brother's, but he survived. Ford was discovering and getting close to what he realized was an existencial treat to the universe, but he was living, not surviving. Stan became a masterful lier, trickster and deciver, but that was his talent. It is not obviously virtuous, but eventually he could do good with it. He saved the universe because he was a better lier, deciever and trickster than Bill Cipher. Ford could not do that with all the inteligence he had, and probably wouldn't have gone along with Stan's plan of switching clothes. And this was not in any scene, but I can easily picture Ford giving in Stan's plan as the only hope saying "I trust you". (I am getting very upset over a children show, dear god) Now, Dipper obviously is smarter, way smarter than Mabel. He is a genius ffs. But he was also being selfish with the whole Ford being his mentor thing. Yes, it was his dream, just as Ford also had a dream that he couldn't see how he could accomplish after the Stan debacle. And yet, even if he (Ford) didn't realized it, he was living it. Come on guys, Dipper could do the same for his life without Mabel, and he knew it. But, you know why Ford didn't know that his dream became truth, and started to get closer to a nightmare? Because he didn't have Stan to tell him so, because he sure as hell would have seen that, and would have made Ford know it. Yes, Mabel was inside a pocket dimension where she had a "cooler Dipper". And yes, that is the most hurtful thing she could have done to Dipper. But you bet your ass that Stanley would have done the same in their youth. Does it justify it? No, that is a dick move, but he would have done it because he was inmature and in a lot of pain, since the person he cared about the most just told him to f' off forever. You remember that scene, at the final battle, when Stan and Ford are trapped in that pyramid prison while Bill is chasing Dipper and Mabel? Ford laments that the two of them couldn't have the connection that Dipper and Mabel have. Stan says "They're kids. They don't know any better". And you know? He is right! They were kids, they loved each other and would do anything for each other. But that was almost not the case. Cracks started to appear the day Mabel "out of selfishness started the Weirdmageddon". The dynamic between Stan and Ford is the same dynamic Dipper and Mabel would have had if Bill had had more patience. They would have grown appart, they would have hurt each other, and THEN Bill would have won. I don't know if that is the conclusion of that GF video essay about Bill's Fatal mistake. I haven't watched it, but if it is, I swear this was not intentional. What I really wanted to get across is that Mabel doesn't deserve a fraction of all the hate she gets. Stan is a reflection of her, and Ford is a reflection of Dipper, and neither of them get any hate even when all their actions are equal in weight and final consequenses. I always felt that Mabel was unfairly hated but never could tell why. But this isolated scene made it finally click and gosh I got so angry over hate towards a fictional character, I need to sleep.
Gravity falls timeline 1947: the birth of Sherman pines 1950: the birth of the stan bros 1962: Stanford and Stanley hang out with each other. 1967: Stanley's parents disowned him and started traveling to different places. 1969: Sherman becomes a father and now has a daughter named Kelly. 1973: the mystery shack was opened. 1976: Stanford pines has become friends with bill cipher only for him to betray him to let the monsters come in. 1982: Stanley accidentally pushed his brother Stanford in the wormhole. Stanley takes over the mystery shack for him. 1994: Sherman's daughter got married to her husband. 1999: the birth of dipper and Mabel. 2002: soos was hired as a handy man at the mystery shack. 2012: the events of gravity falls happened.
I just realised a few days ago: Stan's flaw was letting his heart overrule his head; Ford's flaw was letting his head overrule his heart.
They're Dipper/Mabel when they grow up; one over thinks and misses everything right in front of them, the other is very emotional and can miss the bigger picture. The parallels throughout the series are fantastic when you see them.
@@cousinpatsey2471 Only Stanley didn't make Stanford sacrifice anything for him, didn't almost get him killed cuz of his fantasies, didn't make him feel guilty for his dream and didn't cause an apocalypse without even apologising.
@@cybercriminal3110 no, Stanley only denied Ford's chance at a quality education, nearly got him killed by throwing him into the portal through other dimensions, and nearly let the apocalypse win because he couldn't not be an ass for 15 seconds.
BTW- the "Mabel is terrible" crowd is full of shitheads that couldn't interpret her any worse if they tried. Dont fall for their nonsense.
Ok
@@cousinpatsey2471 The fact is, he didn't mean it (except for not holding hands, but he sacrificed himself after, so it's ok). He didn't mean to break that thing and immediately regretted it. Mabel did EVERYTHING intentionally and it was Dipper (!) who apologised. Honestly Stanford and Mabel are more alike - they're both selfish.
I'm not falling for the crowd, I'm not even that into Gravity Falls fandom, and I don't hate Mabel. I just dislike her very much.
Fun fact: According to Bill, Stan’s burn scar means “watch your step”
Lily Perez i thought "watch your back" is the meaning of stan's burn scar ○_○
oof
🇹 🇷 🇺 🇪 .
Watch you're step bro 😑
His tattoo
Rule Number 1 of Inventing: Never make a machine that can be turned on by people fighting on it.
Justin Joost Well that only really accounts for inventions that can rip the fabric of space and time.
So like. Never make a machine.
Impossible. The plot needs it to be like that.
Then how’d it turn on during the fight if you need all three journals to activate it
@@eat_crayons1173 Because they have very bad luck.
This situation is heartbreaking, and a brilliant illustration of sibling dynamics. Stanford can only trust his brother to hide this journal to prevent the end of the world, and thinks he’s being a selfish jerk. Stanley just wants to reconnect with his twin, and he thinks he’s being told to take a hike. Shakespeare would love this sort of tragic miscommunication.
Agree
Definitely
Plus he grew a muilte
One stanford is a really jerk and crazy and two stanley destroy the machine because he wants him and his brother to be together again and he's afraid to loose a brother.
Well stated!
"I'VE GOT A MULLET, STANFORD." Best line in any Disney TV show ever XD
What the heck is "Mullet" supposed to be? I'm Portuguese, so i don't know a lot about english
@@pedrolucca5854 it's a hairstyle
@@ocinstrumentals8537 Oh
@@pedrolucca5854 haha yes, It's a hairstyle where it is long in the back and short in the front. It is very outdated now.
@@AikoSilver I understand
Oh man, I just realize that they could make a spin off about Stanford's 30 years journey in the other dimension, if that happens, I'll watch the heck out of it.
Same or their adventures at the end of the series
inuyashasmells basically I'd watch anything with Ford in it. I always had a soft spot for genius badass
Jack Dullboy there's actually a theory that ford hung out with rick from rick and morty
Evan AGM that's awsome
Jack Dullboy its called rick and morty
I love how this show has actual legitimate responses to things. Like the way Ford quickly jumps to apologizing and checking to see if Stan was okay and how Stan just got more pissed because that's a natural response to pain especially in a fight. I swear I've seen so many shows where it would've led to a make up. I love this show and how realistic it is
That is so true! No clichès! Well, you know what I mean.
Not So Human The sibling relationships in this show are painfully accurate. The fighting, the ribbing, the reconciling - it’s so true to life.
It really manages to be absolutely silly and illogical and extremely realistic and down to earth at the same time. I freaking love it.
Realistic is not really the word I would use.
@@monberg1000 it is realistic in the sense of this is how people argue. This is how people react. And while the show may not be realistic in the plot it is realistic in its characters which is one of the better parts of the show
i feel bad for Stanley most, he didn't even get a chance to explain what happened. his entire family and his hometown hated him.
"tragic"
Stanley may have inadvertently ruined Stanford’s chance to go to his dream school, but to be forever condemned even by his entire hometown? That’s too far. His parents should’ve just sent him to some reformatory school if they think he really needed to be straightened up, because they did more than abandon him. And what about Stanford? Maybe that Backupsmore University isn’t the best, but I thought his incredible potential meant he would qualify anywhere, unless some other schools caught wind of the incident. And if he was righteous, he wouldn’t stop thinking about his family along the way with his studies, regardless of how busy he is, unless deep down he knew what his parents did was too far. Besides, Stanley admitting his mistakes wouldn’t change anything, not just because it’s been so many years, so it isn’t any wonder he called Stanford selfish, Stanley can’t be called selfish if he genuinely did care about his brother in spite of the mistake.
@@carlossoto1715 yeah well ford's no better then stan
@@ryanmatthews3609 That's what I'm saying. He's too proud of himself to think Stanley has any sort of justification for his actions.
@William TEHAN [12S1] Yes. But had his family not disowned him he wouldn't have been in that mess. Like, it's not just his parents, but any aunts uncles or grandparents around may have disowned him as well.
Ive got a MULLET, Stanford!!
Kittikat do you think you have problems
yes.
yes i do.
EmotionalCactus oh no you have a mullet dont you 😪😪
as do I stan, as I do I.
That's right! I had a mullet! A MULLET!!
The “I just got him back, I can’t lose him again.” Actually made me cry, I know exactly how that feels.
69 like noice
@@saru6190 are you for real? Like seriously wtf is wrong with you
@@ntanosss calm down
@@Marvelfanatic3658 im calm I'm just really confused and disappointed. Why
@@ntanosss they were just playing around
I kinda agree with stanley I mean,seriously ruining dream college is bad but Stanley's problems are worse
0Kundy0 Animations yup
0Kundy0 Animations HE HAS A MULLET
What college would possibly have shown ford something way better than the weird shit in gravity falls?
Aaron Hapgood none but at least he wouldn't turn into a crazy science man
Very old account Like really old I think Stanford was (mostly) over not getting into his dream school, but siblings hold onto old wrongs for life. He could just as easily have yelled at Stanley for stealing his girlfriend in high school, or trashing their shared bike.
You know, looking back Stanfords argument doesn't hold as much weight as it used to.
Was losing his dream school a major blow yes......Kinda of. However, think about it, it's not like it really stopped him. He still earned like 12 doctorates, graduated earlier than any normal person could, got an ass ton of money to study the stuff he wanted and probably made enough discoveries and inventions that just from the patents alone he'd be the richest man on the planet. Not even counting the number of awards he'd win, I mean the guy built an interdimensional portal for crying out loud.
Meanwhile Stanley, because his dad booted him out, basically became a giant wreck. Being banned in numerous states, getting arrested, having no money, no family or friends and basically being everything his family thought he would be in the end.
Does Ford have some justification to be mad yes, but of the two of them Stanley definitely has the high ground here.
I know right
I totally agree. I love Ford and I understand his devastation at losing out on his dream school. But like you said for the most part, he's had a pretty good life. That and the fact that he's still mad about the school thing 40 years later (referring to the current timeline of the show) is just petty.
I always thought the reason Ford was so pissed with Stan is ,because in the scene where Ford questions Stan about his broken device, Stan tries and turns into his thing. He instantly brings up treasure hunting instead of apologising or trying to fix. But yes, Ford still did have a damn good life.
Agreed, it's simply just a stupid little kiddie grudge he's holding over Stan's head. Of course, Stan calling what he did a 'mistake' didn't help his case at all.
True, plus the fact Stan calls it a mistake just adds to why Ford is pissed. Saying it's a mistake is like basically admitting he did it, and breaking it was a mistake. Not an accident, which it is.
Wait, so this means that after Stanley faked his death, the whole time, even his own sister thought that Stanley was dead. That's some dark shit
The Wolf of Comedy
Is fine
The Wolf of Comedy shows
The Wolf of Comedy He doesn’t have a sister
hey does she is never show exsept as a baby i think ? its mabel and dipers grandma
t84t748748t6 Shermie’s a man
so lets say that they were 18 when they parted as teens, then they didn't see each other after 10 years to then they are now 28 years old, Stanford was gone for 30 years so that means Stanley and Stanford are about 58 years old.
+caroline yu Well then Alex made a mistake....My math is almost accurate...so he can't really be 70
I think Stan might have been exaggerating a bit when he said he was pushing 70. Yes technically speaking he IS pushing 70 but he and Ford got another 12 years before that.
Stan and Ford couldn't have been older than 18 when they parted ways because they were still in highschool. So like Nikki said, 18+10=28. 28+30=58
Nikki yeah, and since the show takes place in 2012, that means the Pines twins were born in 1954 meaning that they'd have been 12, the current Pines children's age in 1966. I theorize that Shermy is the older brother by 6 years by the way and that the baby in A Tale of Two Stans was Dipper and Mabel's father. The older than six years has no evidence I admit, but it was the only way to put the baby at around half a year old that wasn't incredibly awkward.
It makes sense for them to be around that age since stanley had to be in good physical shape for the episode: not what he seems. 70 would be exaggerating
Connor McLernon If the baby in A Tale of Two Brothers was the twins' dad, then Stan and Ford would not be their great uncles but just their uncles. So that baby must be their grand father.
"You think you have problems? I have a mullet, Stanford!"
Kills me every time
This line always gets me: "I'M selfish?! I'm selfish!? Stanley, how can you say that after costing me my DREAM SCHOOL!?!" That entire sentence is so selfish! How much has Ford blinded himself to his brothers side of the story that he's actually saying that to his brothers face after hearing what Stan's been through? I love Ford but God, is he flawed and a bit selfish. And I've felt that way since I first saw this episode.
Zarina A113 I don't think it was the fact that he lost out of his dream school, as he puts it, but the implications of his brother betraying him (which is what he sees it as from his point of view) that caused him to still feel a sense of resentment. If you think about it, Stanley was the only friend Stanford had. When Stanley broke his perpetual motion machine project (probably), Stanford saw it as selfish of Stanley. He always viewed Stanley as a person that would support him in whatever he endeavoured, but his trust was broken when he finds out Stanley has broken his project, which is admittedly selfish on Stanley's part. I think it's just that, the broken trust that continues to cause Stanford to feel betrayal and some resentment because/towards his brother. Just my take on it though.
True point, and Stan didn't exactly make his case any better. He didn't tell Ford he'd broken it, he wasn't remorseful hearing his twin had been denied entry into his dream school (trying to put a spin on it saying that this would mean treasure hunting for them), and he refers to it as a mistake. That just sounded weird! If I was Stan, I'd call it an accident, not a mistake. It sounds like he's saying, "It was a mistake that I broke his machine on purpose." While he was mad at what it would mean being left behind, he certainly didn't intend to break Ford's machine. If he had, he'd have smashed the machine, not just pounded the table. And he's horrified at what he did the second it breaks showing it was an accident.
Zarina A113 true but it just shows how even a perfect character isn't perfect. Ford has an insane intellect but he's no where near perfect. Shows how even a genius isn't perfect as we all believe them to be. They are people, like us. With flaws.
He’s still pissed after 30 years of trying to get him back.
@@ds-dx3ks
Oh I definitely see that. But if that's what he wanted to express he'd have said: "How can you say that after betraying me for yourself?" But he didn't. He said something very selfish while accusing his brother of that same selfishness minutes after hearing how his brother essentially gave up his life for him. I won't deny anything you said, I just don't think they apply to this scene.
I'm not saying either brother is wrong or right in this situation, that's what makes GF so amazing. Both sides are equally morally grey. Which is great for kids shows. I hope we see more of it's type in the bear future.
@@22Tesla
Exactly! Ford's flaws make him more interesting to us. (Less so for the characters) And I wish he'd gotten more development on screen. I guess we'll have to write/read fan fiction of he and Stan growing as people on their boat.
I never appreciated "I got a mullet Stanford" until I realized I was too poor to afford a haircut.
@computerlover1991 I always took it as a joke about old fashion but this makes it so much sadder
I really like this fight. The way it’s portrayed isn’t about who’s the wrong and who’s right. It’s about who’s more justified, which is the conclusion each individual watcher can have, whether they are the same or differ. Some stand with Stanford, because of how he never obtained the apology from Stanley about his mess up that ruined Ford’s chances at getting into a great school (though he admittedly was able to achieve success due to his intellect). Then there’s Stan who just wanted to stay with his brother, and a single mistake quite literally damaged their relationship and ruined his life. And when the time came to reconnect, he was essentially told to take a hike and never come again. Honestly, both sides have compelling arguments, and that just makes watching them fight all the more interesting.
While I agree both the brothers have their own justifiable reasons for being mad at one another, I think Ford was more in the wrong majority of it.
Was it bad that Ford lost his chances to go to his dream school? Yes, of course. And sure if he really thought Stanley sabotaged him I get he'd be mad at first. But he never gave his brother really a chance to tell his side if the story. Sure, Stanley immediately mentioning the treasure hunting may have not been the smartest move, but he didn't deserved to get kicked out of the house. Plus, Ford's life still turned out pretty well up until meeting Bill. He still went to college, graduated with multiple doctorates, got God knows how much cash to study whatever wanted, and potentially could've became the most successful person on Earth. Meanwhile, Stanley was banned from numerous states in the US, was sent to prison multiple times, and had more enemies than friends or family to rely for help.
So basically what I'm saying is while Ford had justifiable reasons for being mad at Stan, he should've gotten over it before meeting him 10 years later. And the fact Ford was still pissed at him after spending 30 years of his own life trying to get his brother back? Petty and ungrateful.
1:42 Stanley: You left me behind you jerk. It was supposed to be us forever. You ruined my life!
Stanford: You ruined your own life.
The story of 2 brothers.
Stanley: (PAINED WAIL)
Stanford: Stanley! Omg I’m so sorry, you alri-OW!!!
Some brother you turned out to be. You care more about your dumb mysteries than your family? Well then you can have them
Stanley: (pushes Stanford, as he starts to floats) Whoa, whoa, hey what's going on?! Hey, Stanford!!
@@brockthehydroelectricninja3144 STANLEY! HELP ME!!!
Stanley: Oh no! What do I do?!
This scene. Whenever I see it, it always makes me upset. Ford and Stan are both my favorite characters, and it feels like a punch in the gut seeing this. I can't just pick a side, because it's not an, "Oh! One's wrong, one's right!" type thing. Neither one of them is right nor wrong. They both have reasons to be upset at each other. They both made mistakes. I agree and disagree with both of them to certain extents. I just sit in the middle. I'm not fully on Stan's side, nor am I on Ford's. It's just one of those things where you can't choose.
Totally agree, it's why his relationship it's the best and most interesting in the entire show because both had flaws, both did mistakes and none of them are completely right or completely wrong. It honestly makes me sad when the fandom tends to blame it all exclusively on Ford and santify Stan ignoring his wrongdoings.
Just like John Lennon and Paul McCartney argues after their band, The Beatles broke up and he married to Yoko Ono. In Dec 8th 1980, he was murdered by Mark David Chapman. Paul was not happy. I’m sure he feels bad after John died.
This show was honestly the best thing to happen to Disney XD
Probably the only good thing to happen to Disney nowadays. Don't make good shows like they use to
Well ducktales is doing pretty good
@@rockstarfreddy1848 Never watched it, what's it about?
@@briarmason8737 look it up
AHEM, Amphibia, Big City Greens, The Owl House
both had a depressing life lol
ford:been bullied through out his life. he lost his chance to go to his dream school and Had many more traumas insomnia and fear..when bill his 'muse' arrived
stan:never had friends been abused and put down by his father and lost his brother and wasted 30 years to get him back.. lost trust from his brother..
Stan deserved better! Adrien Agreste (Miraculous Ladybug) is going through the same thing!
@@disneyparksstarwarslover7638 is that the Cat Noir guy?
@@Marvelfanatic3658 yeah
Stans had it more rough
"You think you've got problems?! I've got a mullet Stanford!!!" XD
Meanwhile where have you been!?
@disneyparksstarwarslover7638 living it up in your fancy house in the woods selfishly hoarding your college money because you only care about yourself!
Selfish?! I’m selfish?! Stanley how could you say that after costing me my dream school!
I’m giving you a chance the first worthwhile thing in your life and you won’t even listen!
I love many things abour Gravity Falls, and one of them is about how relatable it is.
I mean, siblings.. we fight alot. ALOT.
We only realize how important our siblings are when we lose them.
Who had it worse? Stanford was haunted by a dream demon, made his friend go nuts and was on the verge of insanity
Stanley was abandoned by everybody he knew, he was basically homeless and he was constantly breaking the law just to repay his family for something he didn't mean to do
Well have you SEEN bill?
@@rockstarfreddy1848 hey Freddy how have you been?
@@rockstarfreddy1848 is it the bite of 87
Stanley had it worse because Stanford didn’t have to go looking into all that crazy shit
@@jrax1713 neither did Stanley. He could've sucked it up and told Ford about what happened to the machine right after he accidentally broke it. Ford could've fixed it before the presentation
I just realized that this is how Stanley got his “tattoo”
And why Stan said he doesn't have a tattoo.
Why was this show so emotional
Lee Everett LEE
LEE
Because I HAD A MULLET!
@@stanleypines1556 old hag.
@@stanleypines1556 🇭 🇺 🇭 !?
even in other series J.K. Simmons is the voice to a character that have something related to a portal XD
Makice hit “I DON’T WANT YOUR DAMN LEMONS WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THESE?!!”
And still didn’t pay Parker in advance
_"I don't want your opinions, I want pictures of Spider-Man!!!"_
I don't know if the fact that Stan was actually able to rebuild Ford's portal is a sign of him actaully being smart when he puts his mind to something, or a signifier of just how determined he was to get his brother back.
Given that he spent thirty years on it, and he knew what it needed to reactivate, I'd say it's both.
Not to mention he did it alone with a third of the blueprints
Best line in a tv show ever: I'VE GOT A MULLET STANFORD
"Argh, hot Belgian waffles! Wait... I'm alone - I can swear for real! SON OF A-!!!"
@@ecthox-1mork909 that’s him, alright!
I just realized something, Dipper and Mabel are a lot like Ford and Stan: Dipper and Ford are both serious, mystery loving intellectuals, Mabel and Stan are both less serious, quirky and are always getting into some kind of mischief.
Stan did say Dipper and Mabel got along better than them, or just as good as them when they're younger. It's a interesting parallel between the twins.
Yeah
But Dipper and Mabel’s relationship is healthier than Stan and Ford's
I think the reason Stanford is still a little salty isn’t that Stanley ruined his machine. It’s that Stanley didn’t apologize and instead brought up treasure hunting. I mean, if my sibling ruined something that cost me something huge, then didn’t even apologize, I’d be kinda pissed too. That’s just my take on it
You've nailed it, trust me, it's not your take exclusively, many people think like that too. The problem isn't even the project or college itself, it's the fact that Stan betrayed Ford: he might not have destroyed the project on purpose, that's true, but sneaking inside the school at night to "yell at a project and hitting it", then cover his tracks and not telling him anything, and once confronted about it, shrugging it off, not apologizing or even showing any sign of guilt and telling him to do with him what HE wanted from the start with a huge happy smile, those are not accidents. To Ford, it felt like Stan had sabotaged him only because he couldn't handle the thought of Ford doing something different than they both did as kids and not having him there to rely on anymore, so when Stan does all of this to Ford, costing him his dreams and not even showing a pitch of remorse over it, showing happiness instead, felt to Ford like a huge betrayal, not just destroying his dreams, but the only stable relationship Ford ever had in his life. Of course Ford is pissed and resentful at Stan over this. Pitty that most people just think Ford is being petty and throwing a fit over nothing.
@@dracoangelrojo His Family didn't have to treat him like a criminal and disown him over a accident. They didn't let him explain.
@@laurenmungaray3912 It wasn't his family who disowned him, it was his abusive sorry excuse for a father who did that, Ford and their mother never agreeded to that. Also, Stan DID explain himself, he told Ford about it after Ford confronted him about it and Stan shrugged it off as if it was no big deal and told him to sail with him. He painted himself in a terrible light and made it look like he had done it on purpose and didn't even show a single hint of remorse or guilt after costing his brother his dreams and future. Did he deserve to get kicked out? Obviously not, but let's not make it as if Stan had been innocent in that situation, he wasn't, he single handledly screwed up Ford's future and broke his trust.
@@dracoangelrojo They all disown him because they let it happen. If you watch the episode again Ford didn't believe it was an accident.
@@laurenmungaray3912 No, they didn't. Ford was a teenager that had just been betrayed by his brother and Caryn was holding her grandkid when it happened, she didn't even know what was happening when Filbrick kicked Stan out. Do you even know what living with an abusive asshole for a dad is? What living in fear is? It's not about "letting it happen", no one in that house wanted that to happen except Filbrick, it's about not being able to do anything becaue they were scared of him, all of them.
1:07 I think at some extent, he was listening to his brother and was actually starting to feel a little sorry. But then Stan called him selfish, and he returned to his emotional shelter.
“Whatever it is, I’ll understand.”
*dramatic music cut*
“There is *NOTHING* about this I understand.”
Great dialogue 😂😂😂
😂😂
0:00 😂😂😂
@@DrasticFox2004
OMG 1:51
"i got a mullet, stanford" i've never heard such true and solid argument in my entire life 😂
Now this is how you do an argument Venture Bros and Rick and Morty Writers.
We've seen both their cases and agree with both of them to certain extents, while disagree with one or the other about who is more selfish in this case.
Hey
I don’t think the venture bros writers are watching this
You must really not like the venture bros to bring it up in a gravity falls comment section. 😂
Venture Bros and Gravity Falls are both well written imo. I find the characters from both shows really entertaining as well with the jokes. Also with the Venture Bros, the creators take their time to have no continuity errors in their show. I don’t know what to say about Gravity Falls tho, I haven’t watched the show in forever
I enjoy both venture bros and Gravity Falls, and I feel they both have a similar premise with different takes on family and adventure. ( plus the argument between Hank and Dean at the end of season 7 is pretty cut and dry if you watch all of the episodes, one feels rejected by their father and the other feels rejection from everyone but their father)
Funny enough Stanford made a cameo in Rick & Morty while hopping dimensions
I can’t blame Ford for wanting an identity and life outside of being Stanley’s twin brother. But Stanley didn’t deserve to be abandoned by his family. It’s such a sad story all around.
Yes
They were both wrong
Anyone else still shocked this was Disney?
Edit: I know it's XD!
TheDUDERulez1 no
DinseyXD! No Im not joking that is what Gravity Falls is on
Ikr like WHO KNEW STAN HAD A MULLET
This show had lots things that were not for Kids
He was divorced too
I like how Stan adds an emergency stop button after this
"You think YOUVE got problems??! I've gotta MULLET STANFORD!!!"
Best line in cartoon history
I love how the writing can still feel incredibly tense but still have comedy worked in to where it doesn't overshadow the argument, Stanley's line "You think you got problems? I got a MULLET Stanford" 😭
people need to also consider that Ford hasn't slept in days. three or four days without sleep and you can hilucinate, and in the journal it sounds like it was longer than that. Ford was manic, not thinking very rationally
That moment you realize that J.K. Simmons does the voice of Ford. :)
I watched Kung Fu Panda 3 so after watching some parts, I close my eyes and think of Kai. It works depending I you know what I mean. I mean they sound so similar in certain scenes
Mayor Lionhart from Zootopia!
I felt like J.K. Simmons had fun in 2016, considering Zootopia, Kung Fu Panda 3, and the end of Gravity Falls happened all in the same year.
You serious?
Didn't he also voiced omniman 😂
Despite his many flaws, I do feel for Stan in this.
He's spent years making terrible life choices that drove him further and further down, and when he thinks he's getting a chance to reconcile with his estranged twin brother, it's only because Ford wants him to do something for him.
It's because Ford is extending his trust to Stan, sure, but he doesn't seem to get how Stan would realistically react to this. The real rift is because they grew up into two different people and couldn't overcome those differences.
Then Ford gets trapped in another dimension and Stan spends the next 30 years desperately trying to find a way to rescue him. It's a really compelling sibling tragedy and you really get invested in how they'll progress from here.
Stan having a lighter on the ready fits his character surprisingly well, too.
1:50 That must've been how Stanley got his tattoo.
Well, it's not a tattoo. It's a burn scar.
Nicholas Gadson I MUST TELL DIPPER
Elisabeth Hutchinson not more of a burn scar its a brand scar
I MUST TELL MABEL
You didnt know?
I really love how nervous and apologetic Ford was when he burned his brother. Really shows how he’s still a good person and really does care about Stan
1:50 breaks my heart every time. The gut reaction of making sure he's okay in the middle of a fight.
Brotherly love
“Stanley, stop screaming, it’s not that bad. Dad’s gonna kill us if he hears you”
1:50 the tattoo has been revealed ladies and gentlemen
Stan and ford remind me of me and my own brother. We got along great as kids but now it’s like we barely know each other. Like we are ALOT like them personality wise aswell
Mason RobertsTV presses x to doubt
Ryan C r/nothingeverhappens
but just imagine if gravity falls was aired on adult swim instead.
If it was, these two would be swearing so god damn much in this scene-
I mean it’d be pretty much the same but with more cussing, a little more horror and a little more blood
Stan:"wait this I'm on adult television I can swear for real now-SUNNOVA!!"
Inside job
When Stan said chew my way out of a car does anyone notice he was talking about the fake
Car death on the newspaper?
No. He means he been kidnapped once
Nah, that fake car crash happened after Stanford got accidentally pushed into the portal. Stanley faked his own death and assumed his brother’s identity.
Situationally you don’t need kidnapped before needing to chew your way outta a trunk.
I mean likely, but not always.
@@theluigifan1 Oh hey the luigifan1! Now I know you're probably not gonna see this, but can I just say that I love your performance as Bowser in Foozle's Nintendo High!
1:00 my favorite quote from gravity falls😂😂😂
Imagine if Stanford hadn't thrown that journal to Stanley.
He would've been stuck there FOREVER😨
😢😢😢
yes.. 😢
Top 10 characters who went through more pain than the protagonist of TLOU2.
What's that?
@@bengilhooly3616 I think it means The Last of us 2
Doofenshmirtz
Luz
I've always liked how Ford says "Oh My Gosh" in the exact same cadence that Dipper does. It's a cool way to show how similar they are.
All I can hear is J. Jonah Jameson yelling at Stan Pines.
And Omni Man too.
"You think you've got problems? I'VE GOT A MULLET STANFORD" priceless
Ever since this series had ended, this series never gets old.
Every time I replay this scene, I appreciate the voice acting more. Especially at the end.
2:00
“Some Brother You Turned Out To Be”
Idk why but I love that line
same. the way it was said felt semi-real.
So Brutal and realistic how one moment can change your life for the worst you could ever imagine
*Endgame opening scene*
Captain America: "Tony, you don't understand what I'm up against. What I've been through!"
Iron Man: "No, you don't understand what I've been through! You kept secrets from me, and destroyed my trust! I nearly got killed by the man who destroyed half of all life in the universe! My surrogate son disintegrated in front of my eyes! You think you've got problems? I've got a MULLET, Steve! Meanwhile, where have you been? Not giving a shit about my plans for the Avengers, a suit of armor around the world, Sokovia Accords, because you only care about yourself!"
Captain America: "I'm selfish? I'm selfish?! Tony, how could you say that when I saved your ass from outer space?! I'm giving you the chance to set things right, and YOU'RE the one not giving a shit!"
Iron Man: "Well, here's what I give a shit about..."
*Tony faints, having been malnourished for 22 days*
what
Wow. That was a good script.
0:57 The reason I came to watch this scene, the lines hilarious.
If the journal was above the lighter for that long, it should've caught fire, shouldn't it?
depends upon how flamable it was and how close it was
It had a hard book cover so it would take longer the bottom of the journal would be a little burnt
1:36
See, this is why you don't cut corners. Those plastic switch covers are no joke.
Stanford doesn’t even realize he could have Just ripped the portal instructions out of the journal rather than hiding them across the state
they should make a show on what Stanford did in the other dimension
Just re watched the entire series and I noticed that Dipper and Mabel's fight is similar to Stanford and Stanley's fight
I remember being mindblown so much that I kept rewatching the same episode after it aired. Still a timeless show
I never realized how similar they sound to Dipper and Mabel when they argue
I just love the balance between complex drama and family-show simplicity in their conflict. I mean, they don't go too dramatic but they do acknowledge the tragedy of the situation. Great, great writing.
Also, see what eye Stanley closed 2:02? The one he will cover with the eye patch later. Perhaps a coincidence, perhaps not.
"I've got a mullet stanford" was one of funniest things I've heard from this series. Idk why
I wonder if Rick helped Ford find his way back. Roilland and Hirsch both suggested the two dimensions have crossed with each other on occasion
please make this happen!!!
Actually, there are quite alot of pages in the Journal 3 replica book where Ford goes over what all he did, and the circumstances that led to him returning.
“I’m giving you a chance to do the first worth while thing in your life,” sounding a lot like your old man there, Ford.
This scene is still heartbreaking no matter how many times I’ve watched it 😭😭
The hot side there is why stan is hiding it from dipper and mabel because its not a tattoo at all it was a burn.
I've just realized that the person that Stanford trusts the most banished him into the portal
Both of them were just being jerks....
Stanley should have just stated that he missed his brother instead of being an asshole.... and he shouldn't have blamed his brother... and Stanford should have been willing to empathize more....
They needed a proper talk... they needed to fix things... but they didn't...
Do you ever use a period
AU: everything in gravity falls is normal from beginning to end but when dipper tells mabel about his intern-ship from Ford this scene happens
Dipper:things change...
*mabel takles him and they start fighting*
Dipper: MABEL I THOUT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND! I CANT BE HELD BACK FOREVER!
*mabel takes the journal and dipper takles her they flip over*
Mabel: YOU'RE LEAVING ME BEHIND YOU JERK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE US FOREVER YOUR RUINING MY LIFE!!
dipper:YOU'RE RUINING YOUR OWN LIFE
*Dipper kicks mabel into a nail in the wall and it cuts her, mabel screams and tears up*
Dipper: oh my god.. Mabel! Are you okay I'm so sorry-
*mabel punches him and dipper drops the journal with an angry look on his face*
Mabel:Some brother you are... you care about your dumb mysteries than your own family??? WELL YOU CAN HAVE THEM!!!
*mabel picks up the journal and shoves it into dippers chest, he falls back into stanford and Stanley who have been there the whole time watching it happen*
Ford: ...
Stan: Pumpkin! Are you oka-
*mabel runs out of the room crying and the show continues*
(I'm not sorry)
Oh damn
Oh wow. That was roughly extreme.
Words cannot express how impactful that script was. I liked it.
@@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112and I imagine ford having those flashbacks the day he was sent into another dimension
Free healthcare: *exists*
US: 0:01
This is such a good emotional scene but I can't help but internally laugh at I HAVE A MULLET, STANFORD
The way I see it a lot of people can relate more with Stanley than Stanford because not everyone can finish both high school and collage. Also people can go thought a list of Financial struggles just to get by.
2:13 I don't know why I love when he says this. He sounds sarcastic!
"oh no, what do I do 🙄"
@@LeanderOnTH-cam😂
@@sara_hillarious *scene switches rudely 💅*
@@LeanderOnTH-cam"Stanley..Stanley.. do something. STANLEYYYYY!!!"
The problem was that Ford didn't try to tell Stan about the situation. Stan wanted to reconnected with Ford; however, he see that Ford was pushing him away for no good reason. Ford mess up really bad. Ford was being paranoid. Due to the fact that he was using Stan to hide his journals instead of trying to reconcile with him, Ford was being stupid.
Stanford could have offered to go sailing with Stanley WHILE trying to hide the book as far as he can, two birds one stone.
“After all these years. Finally, I have them all.”
This sibling dynamic always remembered my sister and I, we're not twins, but we've always been like it, and extremely close connection, even between thoughts, mature, the same literal face. And we're so different from the other one, but we still love each other.
"You think you've got Problems? I'VE GOT A MULLET STANFORD!"
Stanley had it worse than Ford but the whole reason they had that blowout was because it was just 10 years of buried emotions waiting to explode. Had they argued/talked about it more before parting ways they might’ve resolved it at this reunion.
After reading Journal 3...trust me, Ford didn't have it any easier than Stan: let's not forget that Bill tricked him and abused him phsycollogically and physically by possessing his body every time he slept, with Ford having the weight of the world on his shoulders because of committing the mistake he did of trusting the wrong person. Because of Bill, he fell into a cycle of paranoia and instanity that nearly killed him.
@@dracoangelrojo Okay, but this whole conflict could have been avoided if Ford had just allowed Stanley to burn the journal. What difference does it make that it's buried somewhere no one will ever find or that it becomes a pile of ashes? It's not as if the knowledge that it contains would ever be put to use again
@@M4x_P0w3r Because Ford PLANNED to go back for the journal once the portal was taken down and Bill could never come through. The journals were his entire research, his life work. He planned to keep them safe until he dismantled the portal, and then call back Stan with the journal, get the others back, fix things up with him, and then continue his research. It's all in journal 3.
@@dracoangelrojo Well, what if something happened to Stan while he was away, burying the journal god knows where? Then he would have lost the journal and his brother for real. Stan was in a really poor financial state and had literally no type of support
@@M4x_P0w3r But Ford doesn't know that, because Stan didn't contact or lied to his family for years over his state for his pride.
The one thing I’ll never get is why Ford never just told Stan “There’s an evil triangle that wants to destroy the world, and I’m the only one who can stop him”. Even after Stan rescues him, Ford is just mad at Stan for potentially giving Bill an opening to escape, and yet refuses to explain himself, even though Stan knows who Bill is. Half of their friction would never have happened had Ford just explained himself.
I can’t believe ford is voiced by JK SIMMONS HOW DID I NOT RECOGNIZE HIS VOICE UNTIL NOW
WERE YOU RUSHING OR WERE YOU DRAGGING?!?
What is there a Mars bar down there?
I didn't know if he was dead or alive in some distant galaxy, but I knew his journal must have the answer to getting him back. Somehow. 2:40
“There is nothing about this that I understand”
My folks when I show them a hobby of mine
Who has been dealt the harsher blow?
Ford: led astray by a demonic Illuminati triangle to build a gateway to the third dimension and having his every thought and move at risk of being overshadowed by said demon.
Stan: has a mullet.
Imagine a version of the show where Stanford gets thrown into the portal, and his brother tries everything to get him back, but can't.
(Literally billions of fricking alternative dimensions to hop through.)
Stanford actually makes his way back on his own, and Stanley is there to meet him. But Stanford, doesn't care. It's been a long 30 or so years in those dimensions, and he barely made his way here. He appears somehow smarter than when he left, not nessecairly because of an intellect increase but more of the years have given him wisdom. His years of existence out there in who knows where, have caused him to think differently. He's a survivalist. And he cant count on anyone but himself.
"Stanford! Stanford its you!"
"Oh great, I finally find a way out of that hellscape and the first person I see is the guy that got me stuck there in the first place."
"Wow, thats... deserved, but harsh. I'm just happy you're alive!"
"Yeah? Go be happy on someone else's time."
_stanford then proceeds to destroy the portal, after yet another fight, similar to their first._
"You should've done that years ago Stanley. Wasn't any reason to come looking for someone assumed dead anyway. Or at least you should've assumed me dead."
"What would you do that for?! That was my life's work! I tried Stanford I really tried, but I couldn't pinpoint your dimension. I couldn't save you."
"Yeah well, think about saving yourself. The horrors on that side of the universe, they want to find a way in this one. I dont quite understand how or why, but maybe you can. Find a way to protect the earth."
"Stanford, it can't have been that terrible could it? I spent years researching... I knew it was possibly terrible, there was this... extr-"
"Extra dimensional being shaped like a triangle, yeah I know. Had a few run ins with him. Didn't like me much, but then nobody ever did, or has. You got any alcohol around here?"
"You- you met cypher?"
"Yeah I met cypher. Crazy son of a gun, insists on moving his own dimension to ours. As I said, save the earth Stanley. Anyway, where'd you say that alcohol was?"
"I didn't, and I'm not sure what you expect me to do."
"I told you, save the earth. And if you can't do it, I'll find a way to. People here never liked me, but that doesn't mean all of them are terrible. Mom and dad were alright people. Well, mom was anyway. She had issues, but everyone does. Is, is that a kid? Did you have kids while I was gone?"
"What? No! I mean, no. This is our great niece and nephew. I sort of forgot they were here for a minute."
"Huh. That's, different. Didn't take you as the family type."
"And just what is that supposed to mean?"
"You know exactly what it means. Hey kid, you got anything to defend yourself?"
Dipper: "uuuuuuuh, not particularly..."
"Great, what kinda dimension doesn't arm their kids? Here take this crossbow."
*he tosses a crossbow at dipper.*
"Stanford you cant jus-"
"Cant just what huh? You have no idea what you've gotten yourself into. It's coming sooner than you think, and if we cant stop it no one will."
"What's coming stan? You sound like a madman."
"Cypher. He wants a way out. I explained this... jeez, what kinda numbnut did you become? Spend a little bit of time in one dimension only and your brain goes to mush."
"Stanford, I'm still smarter than you. And frankly that was uncalled for."
"Whatever. Get those kids out of here. We need to get to planning."
"Not a hug, not a hello, not a glad to see you?"
"Stanley, you were the last person I wanted to see upon returning to this dimension. And frankly I dont care about out past issues. Right now it's about saving the world."
"Alright..."
"Good. Now let's get to work."
Ey, never said I was good with dialogue, but I'd imagine it'd go something like this.
Dude got a nasty burn and Stanford still ask wether he's ok or not like bruh, you're a genius can't you figure it out?
I wanted to say other thing, but I am just going to rant:
It is easy to see Dipper and Ford as "the rationals" and Mabel and Stan as "the emotionals", and although that is true, that is a very, VERY shallow explanation.
People shit on Mabel for almost causing the end of the world to a sickening degree. They call her inmature and selfish. Even when everything turned out fine, people hate Mabel and that angers me so much. Stan almost caused the end of the world, TWICE, because all he wanted was to reconect with his brother. And guess what, everything turned out fine, yet nobody gives him any shit for that.
Ford was very self centered and selfish. Yes, Stan ruined his school project and his school opportunities at the time, but his life? He is in front of a machine thag defies reality, goes beyond the current science, something so uncomprehensible that the word that defines it is "weird". He didn't make sense out of the weird, as science does; he took a word that we use only to point out what we don't understand and made it an object of study. He didn't clarify the weird, he outright studied and comprehended "weirdness" as a thing in itself. He vanished his brother, the person who loved him the most, from his "now ruined life" and yet Ford life was completely fine.
Meanwhile Stan lived as a fugitive. He traveled around the world, not as a success, but out of necessity, out of survival. Yet, he survived however he could, emphasis on COULD. His talents were not as obvious and evident as his brother's, but he survived. Ford was discovering and getting close to what he realized was an existencial treat to the universe, but he was living, not surviving. Stan became a masterful lier, trickster and deciver, but that was his talent. It is not obviously virtuous, but eventually he could do good with it. He saved the universe because he was a better lier, deciever and trickster than Bill Cipher. Ford could not do that with all the inteligence he had, and probably wouldn't have gone along with Stan's plan of switching clothes. And this was not in any scene, but I can easily picture Ford giving in Stan's plan as the only hope saying "I trust you".
(I am getting very upset over a children show, dear god)
Now, Dipper obviously is smarter, way smarter than Mabel. He is a genius ffs. But he was also being selfish with the whole Ford being his mentor thing. Yes, it was his dream, just as Ford also had a dream that he couldn't see how he could accomplish after the Stan debacle. And yet, even if he (Ford) didn't realized it, he was living it. Come on guys, Dipper could do the same for his life without Mabel, and he knew it. But, you know why Ford didn't know that his dream became truth, and started to get closer to a nightmare? Because he didn't have Stan to tell him so, because he sure as hell would have seen that, and would have made Ford know it.
Yes, Mabel was inside a pocket dimension where she had a "cooler Dipper". And yes, that is the most hurtful thing she could have done to Dipper. But you bet your ass that Stanley would have done the same in their youth. Does it justify it? No, that is a dick move, but he would have done it because he was inmature and in a lot of pain, since the person he cared about the most just told him to f' off forever.
You remember that scene, at the final battle, when Stan and Ford are trapped in that pyramid prison while Bill is chasing Dipper and Mabel? Ford laments that the two of them couldn't have the connection that Dipper and Mabel have. Stan says "They're kids. They don't know any better". And you know? He is right! They were kids, they loved each other and would do anything for each other. But that was almost not the case. Cracks started to appear the day Mabel "out of selfishness started the Weirdmageddon".
The dynamic between Stan and Ford is the same dynamic Dipper and Mabel would have had if Bill had had more patience. They would have grown appart, they would have hurt each other, and THEN Bill would have won.
I don't know if that is the conclusion of that GF video essay about Bill's Fatal mistake. I haven't watched it, but if it is, I swear this was not intentional.
What I really wanted to get across is that Mabel doesn't deserve a fraction of all the hate she gets. Stan is a reflection of her, and Ford is a reflection of Dipper, and neither of them get any hate even when all their actions are equal in weight and final consequenses.
I always felt that Mabel was unfairly hated but never could tell why. But this isolated scene made it finally click and gosh I got so angry over hate towards a fictional character, I need to sleep.
Man you're dedicated!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! FINALLY SOMEONE WHO DOESN’T HATE ON MABEL!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Gravity falls timeline
1947: the birth of Sherman pines
1950: the birth of the stan bros
1962: Stanford and Stanley hang out with each other.
1967: Stanley's parents disowned him and started traveling to different places.
1969: Sherman becomes a father and now has a daughter named Kelly.
1973: the mystery shack was opened.
1976: Stanford pines has become friends with bill cipher only for him to betray him to let the monsters come in.
1982: Stanley accidentally pushed his brother Stanford in the wormhole. Stanley takes over the mystery shack for him.
1994: Sherman's daughter got married to her husband.
1999: the birth of dipper and Mabel.
2002: soos was hired as a handy man at the mystery shack.
2012: the events of gravity falls happened.
I must say I am impressed!!
Um the mystery shack was only a thing from 1982-Present