Diesel engines are the lifeblood of our infrastructure. From Lorries that transport our food and fuels, through to agricultural tractors that farm our crops or power our ships. Some trains and all buses and coaches. To this day they are still the most efficient way to transport weight in terms of energy production and output. They’re more efficient now than ever before. They do produce far less CO2 than petrol equivalents but they do produce more Nox and Soot. I think it’s the soot that can contribute to lung cancer and other illnesses. Personally I will continue to own diesel vehicles, or at least one in my household for our long distance journeys. Our Euro6 XC60 does around 18,000 miles per year, averages 52mpg on combined journeys and never misses a beat.
I find diesel suits me. Bought the last 530d and will be holding onto this one. Very fast and huge economy is a nice mix. A modern diesel in London would emit cleaner air than it takes in.
There is no smog in the UK. ULEZ and similar schemes are just money-making cons. I've just come back from Indonesia where I go regularly and the air-quality bedwetters should take a trip to somewhere like Jakarta if they want to know what pollution is. The UK has never been cleaner. I have the latest model BMW X5 30d and I love it. It is not noisy - you can barely hear the engine it's so quiet - and it's smooth and fast. However, I've been considering changing it for a petrol or PHEV version. Not because I have any problems with diesel - simply because as you said, it's only a matter of time before lefty council morons decide I can't drive in their city or have to pay a fee to help their bankrupt council coffers.
I've owned my little diesel for 13 years, I love it, it's so economical, so cheap to run, it's a Euro 5, 80g/km, I can't go into places like Bristol because it's dirty yet my friend can drive his Range Rover 4.4 litre turbo diesel into Bristol even though it emits 200g/km. I stopped going into Bristol because of the clean air taxes and the fact that I can't pay the clean air taxes with cash yet it's a tax. I bought my car because it is cheap to run, my daily commute is 60 miles round trip of which just over 50 miles of which is motorway, recently myself and a friend had to go from Somerset to Portsmouth, the whole trip cost me around £30, my friend with his electric vehicle got to Portsmouth and had to recharge, it cost him £71, he had to recharge on the way back. I couldn't afford an electric vehicle, I don't have access to off road parking so wouldn't be able to charge at home, I work nights so wouldn't see the advantage of night charging. I've covered 160,000 miles in my 3 cylinder diesel, my car was clean at the time that I bought it, I bought it at 5 months old, the road tax is zero, my motorbike costs around £120 per year. My car is a small workhorse, it's cheaper to run than any other choice of vehicles at present. I drove a Corsa electric, I was very impressed, I have nothing against electric vehicles, yes the screens for dashboards confuse me, honestly I don't understand them, where I live, the infrastructure just isn't there, the cost of public charging is more expensive than running an electric vehicle, and again, I don't have cards, I've always paid for everything with cash including my diesel, I wouldn't be able to do that with an electric vehicle, if I could afford an electric vehicle, the infrastructure was there, public charging wasn't more expensive than running a petrol or diesel vehicle and I could pay with cash, it would be an option, luckily I'm getting on in years, if I make the 2030 ban on sales of internal combustion engined vehicles, if they ever do get banned completely, I won't be around for that day I hope
@@andrewgage6942 co2 isnt a health risk budy THE DIRTY AMMOUNTS OF NOX YOUR DIESEL CAR AND OTHERS PUT OUT IS !!.I sugest you learn a bit more instead of being ignorant !
@car_babble i actually have for 13 years 2007 1.4 turbo tjet 150bhpFiat bravo petrol got it at 37110 miles now 148623 miles has been 100% reliable and still curentlly ulez compliant its getting old now but i would not EVER have even considered buying a diesel !..And in current times diesel not suitable too expensive unreliable petrol cars most currentlly are very bad and best of a generally bad bunch are EVS some are much better tthan others Theres just a thing nowadays that all people go onabout is the bad ones partlly because they get lots of likes on youtube !!Ev fires are not that common and newer battery technology will get rid of those issues allong with less reliance on cars better public transport and smaller lighter more efficient cars instead of all the crap today sports suvs 4x4 etc !!!
Really good video and your comments were all spot-on. I had a 2005 VW Golf 1.9 TDi, the one with the pukka PD engine, and it would regularly give me 80+ mpg on the motorway, and give 800 miles from a full tank. And super reliable engine too. Man I miss that car. I now have a 320d which isn’t as economical.
Interestingly enough, my last car was a 320d. MPG were ok but not as good as my old Volvo but it was mighty fun in the bends. 80 mpg is insane and really blows the argument out of the water to really drive anything else outside of the city.
Loved my 2016 Skoda Superb 2.0tdi… excellent car. Diesels are getting cleaner and cleaner… stupid to stop development on their engines. Would have a 3.0L tdi car again
I have a diesel ford focus ST... 48mph and decent performance and relatively low CO2 emissions. The government have gone EV crazy and are trying to force people into them. You're right about different fuel types for different circumstances. Oh and Ad blu 😆
The last petrol engine i repaired...apart from ancient Mgb was an Infinity v8 4500 in 2021.....every single other major operation has been diesel....last week put engine back in Nissan cabstar....then started on Ford connect maybe 2008ish with craxked piston...😂😂😂..Ducatos,Boxers,Transits,Mercedes....Mitsibushis and so on...I still dont even speak the language fluently here...but have work up to my neck...
In my diesel I can go from Staffordshire to the Loire valley on one tank (616 miles) and run about a bit before needing to refuel for the trip home. When an EV can do something similar I may consider one. It’s the recharging kerfuffle and the time it takes that puts me off.
The people who misunderstand and accuse Deisel drivers of being so horrific - they need to watch the many documentaries on the families digging up the Cobalt for EV batteries in the Congo - for a dollar a day!! Never mind the mining for the rest of the metals required. Every EV has an exhaust pipe - it is just in another country. I'll stick to my 2.7 v6 diesel for now thank you 👍 Great video 👌
If they didn’t have DPFs I’d have one but they are too complicated now and too much to go wrong. And you can’t have a newer one unless your blasting it down the motorway every week
We have two diesels. We got the first in 1993. A diesel car doesn’t control your life. Been on 315 mile trip and retuned 67mpg and can still cover another 250.
Probably the most balance take I've heard on here about the state of the situation, everyone seems so fanatical about it on both sides. EV's are definitely a good option for many, half of my family has them are happy with them. One area I can comment on where I think they've dropped the ball is commercial, and especially where I live in Sheffield. They've created the "clean air zone" that covers anywhere on, or inside the outer ring road for any commercial vehicle under a euro 6 diesel. This causes a lot of problems with some basic trades, like plasterers, decorators, scaffolders. removals and gardeners etc. The main issue is that they can't afford new, especially with the prices now, and were always the people who would buy the 2nd or 3rd hand ex fleet vans. But buying a euro 6 that's out of warranty is a gamble they don't want to take and I can't blame them, euro 5's gave enough headaches. The engines have been strangled for emissions, undersized 1.5 twin turbos, ad blue, DPF's, electronics, not to mention the wet belts, every repair (and there are many) seems to be a £2k+ job, that's if you can find a mechanic who can even fix it. A lot of vans that should have another 5+ years of life in them are going prematurely to the scrapyard. What a lot are doing is buying decent condition euro 4's which are holding their price even against older CAZ compliant euro 6's and just not working in the inner city, or billing customers the £10 per day fee (even to just go quote). Not sure how the next road tax hike will effect them, but it's all getting a bit out of hand. Commercial BEV's just aren't up to job.
Thanks very much for this comment. Interesting points about tradesmen and I feel for them massively. Passing on the cost to clients makes sense but sad that someone has to pay at all.
I agree with you there are some users that will be better off with a diesel and when I got my first EV I thought I would keep a diesel as a second car for long distance trips but found it sat there and after 8 month one tank of diesel servicing and an emissions related repaire it was time for it to go but I am down in South where there is plenty of Tesla charging and lots of traffic so I now have a model Y
Liked the balanced article Euan. Here in NZ the environmentally concerened are buying the EVs and Hybrids. But with only 5m of a population on similar land mass as the UK. The hand wringing is completely unessessary. There is very little animosity between petrol/diesel/EV drivers, but certainly there is a smugness with EV drivers here. Usually those on above average income who have a the need to display their left leaning credentials despite the knowledge that if all private car owners swapped to EVs, the countries fragile renewable (85% at last count) energy production would collapse. We wont be getting rid of diesels or petrol driven vehicles for a long time yet.
So glad someone that drives a EV is telling the truth, so thank you, yes EVs are ideal for city driving, and if you charge at home job done, but at the moment EVs are rubbish for people that drive long distances, more than 200 miles a day for example, I will get a EV when a charge can be done in 10 minutes and it will travel 500 miles plus like my diesel bmw, good video.
Based on the Isle of Wight now, I’ve just gotten my first EV. previous to that I’ve had two Golf GTEs and could plug them in every day, reason for change, seldom used the engine and it never really got up to temp here. Previous had a 2L petrol TSI Octavia VRS and that was my bus between the IOW, Glasgow and Edinburgh for years, and well I didn’t go diesel as local driving in Glasgow, the IOW a DPF wouldn’t stand a chance let alone adblu injection. Is an EV better… strange swing really isn’t it, the being its are a person by person case, still have my 02 DISCO TD5, two and four stroke motorbikes mind 😂
It's really simple. Are you doing a lot of miles weekly/monthly? Get a diesel. Are you using your car just to go to the local supermarket and for the occasional holidays? Do NOT get a diesel.
A diesel will always be around 30% more efficient than petrol, the fuel is more energy dense and the combustion process more efficient. Modern euro6 diesel are also very close on NOx to petrol and produce 50% less CO, much more poisonous than CO2. The issues with diesel is short journeys but if you regularly do long journeys diesel is still king. I've had a BMW 335D for 8 years, great performance, 45+ mpg and after 8 years without finance it owes me nothing. Other than servicing during my ownership it's cost £130 in repairs 🙂
It amazes me how many old Smokey diesel vans and cars are on the road surely they would fail an MOT , that’s imo what gives diesel cars a bad name . My 2016 diesel is Euro6 and passes MOT easily on the particulates bit
ULEZ is just another tax on the motorists air flows all around the world and does not just stay in one area, so fumes / pollutants from all motor vehicles and industrial plants, volcanoes etc get mixed in with the air and would be diluted to some degree!
I love my Derv, and you will have to prise it out of my cold dead hands. BTW, I don’t think any less of you for driving a car that has the street cred of a Toyota Preius 😂
Diesels are far and away the best way to go , loads of mid range, economy , and long lasting if looked after , keeping my 5cyl V60 forever , never ever ever having an ev
My neighbours reason not to have a diesel because he would put anything in his car which required him to wear gloves. I told him he could get dermatitis from petrol. Will he wear gloves now?
Ridiculous ulez is going to Aberdeen and Dundee. Can't believe it. Here in Ireland air quality is excellent except in areas where people burn open fires etc at home. Even though vehicles are not the main problem, it's an easy tax
EVs are dull and boring. Diesels? Gordon Brown didn't sell this to me either. In 33 years of driving, I've only ever had very high performance petrol cars. There is NOTHING about EVs I like. This ridiculous mandate surely will end up revoked?
@car_babble I have, and it was dull as hell. I've spent 33 years behind the wheels of high and very high performance petrol powered cars, and I absolutely hated the heavy, boring EVs I drove.. I'll list them: 1. Tesla Model 3: The most boring and uninspiring car I've ever driven. 2: Polestar 2, same but worse. 3: Porsche Taycan. Horrible. Weird. And I hate it when people say they're "fast." ..... they're only fast if you've never driven properly fast cars. There's plenty of 300bhp plus hot hatches, for example, that weigh less than half an EV and are WAY more entertaining. And a good recent one will cost you between £15k and £20k.
Ok no diesel did you not notice on the motorway lots of square box like vehicles They transport the nation goods day and night 99% Of those are diesel powered think are you being manipulated
A few iissues with diesels. i) even in small towns and villages, diesel emissions can reach quite high levels in specific locations at specific times - the classic example is outside schools at the start and end of schools days. ii) the levels of emissions claimed by manufacturers, and tested by the MOT and tests such as EURO 6, have very little credibility. So many manufacturers have been caught so many times cheating on diesel emissions in so many ways, that many have no faith in these numbers. iii) the torque advantage is a bit of a red herring. Although diesel engines can produce higher torque at the flywheel than petrol cars of a similar capacity, this is irrelevant when towing, what matters is torque at the wheels, and this is a function of power output and gearing.
Thanks for the comment. Most towing cars are diesel, though. Is that not factual? I don't disagree that the emissions scandal has really put doubt over everything, though.
Diesel cars today are not reliable due to so much anti pollution equipment egr valves dpf sytem and nox systems and low millage city use accelates this problem VERY EXPENSIVE repairs.And currentlly there are very few new petrol cars even in last 10 yearswhich are reliable !Peugeot citroen ford vauxhall etc all have bad quality engines with I INEVITABLE ENGINE FAILURE FROM NEW !overheating wet cambelts timing chain failure etc BAS8CALLY MEANING PETROL AND DIESEL CARS WILL NOT HAVE A LONG LIFE ON THE ROAD BEFORE SCRAPAGE !!
@WilliamLaverick-wo1nb i take it you cant read correctlly and know very little about cars !.im a mechanic im 53 years old and im willing to bet i know more than 95.5% more than you.And yes high milleage cars like skoda allways working are usually quite reliable BUT MOST DIESELS TODAY ARE NOT DOING HIGH MILLEAGES.I CONSTANTLLY SEE EGR DPF ADD BLUE NOX SENSOR PARTICLE SENSOR FAULTS !!!.I sugest you stay off your keyboard and get some real life knowledge and experience !😅😅😅
@ I suggest your rethink. I’m over 70 studied general mechanics principles. ie Ice. I drove HGV’s from 1970 to 2013 all with diesel engines. All of those vehicles were on lease until they had covered 400,000 KM’s. In addition I have owned diesel cars since 1993. And not one of my cars has broken down or needed expensive repairs.
Two petrol & two diesels here. I have no intention to go EV.
Agree, it's a big con
Me Neither, just one diesel. 👍👍
If it works for you!
Diesel engines are the lifeblood of our infrastructure. From Lorries that transport our food and fuels, through to agricultural tractors that farm our crops or power our ships. Some trains and all buses and coaches.
To this day they are still the most efficient way to transport weight in terms of energy production and output. They’re more efficient now than ever before.
They do produce far less CO2 than petrol equivalents but they do produce more Nox and Soot. I think it’s the soot that can contribute to lung cancer and other illnesses.
Personally I will continue to own diesel vehicles, or at least one in my household for our long distance journeys. Our Euro6 XC60 does around 18,000 miles per year, averages 52mpg on combined journeys and never misses a beat.
Yeah, all true mate. If you are doing 18k miles a year, sounds like you've got exactly the sort of motor I would want for that.
I find diesel suits me. Bought the last 530d and will be holding onto this one. Very fast and huge economy is a nice mix. A modern diesel in London would emit cleaner air than it takes in.
I'd have a 530d too :)
There is no smog in the UK. ULEZ and similar schemes are just money-making cons. I've just come back from Indonesia where I go regularly and the air-quality bedwetters should take a trip to somewhere like Jakarta if they want to know what pollution is. The UK has never been cleaner. I have the latest model BMW X5 30d and I love it. It is not noisy - you can barely hear the engine it's so quiet - and it's smooth and fast. However, I've been considering changing it for a petrol or PHEV version. Not because I have any problems with diesel - simply because as you said, it's only a matter of time before lefty council morons decide I can't drive in their city or have to pay a fee to help their bankrupt council coffers.
I've run Diesel and petrol all my life I currently have Audi S4 TDI V6 dirty diesel and have zero intentions of EV....
Good car that!
I've owned my little diesel for 13 years, I love it, it's so economical, so cheap to run, it's a Euro 5, 80g/km, I can't go into places like Bristol because it's dirty yet my friend can drive his Range Rover 4.4 litre turbo diesel into Bristol even though it emits 200g/km. I stopped going into Bristol because of the clean air taxes and the fact that I can't pay the clean air taxes with cash yet it's a tax.
I bought my car because it is cheap to run, my daily commute is 60 miles round trip of which just over 50 miles of which is motorway, recently myself and a friend had to go from Somerset to Portsmouth, the whole trip cost me around £30, my friend with his electric vehicle got to Portsmouth and had to recharge, it cost him £71, he had to recharge on the way back.
I couldn't afford an electric vehicle, I don't have access to off road parking so wouldn't be able to charge at home, I work nights so wouldn't see the advantage of night charging.
I've covered 160,000 miles in my 3 cylinder diesel, my car was clean at the time that I bought it, I bought it at 5 months old, the road tax is zero, my motorbike costs around £120 per year. My car is a small workhorse, it's cheaper to run than any other choice of vehicles at present.
I drove a Corsa electric, I was very impressed, I have nothing against electric vehicles, yes the screens for dashboards confuse me, honestly I don't understand them, where I live, the infrastructure just isn't there, the cost of public charging is more expensive than running an electric vehicle, and again, I don't have cards, I've always paid for everything with cash including my diesel, I wouldn't be able to do that with an electric vehicle, if I could afford an electric vehicle, the infrastructure was there, public charging wasn't more expensive than running a petrol or diesel vehicle and I could pay with cash, it would be an option, luckily I'm getting on in years, if I make the 2030 ban on sales of internal combustion engined vehicles, if they ever do get banned completely, I won't be around for that day I hope
@@andrewgage6942 co2 isnt a health risk budy THE DIRTY AMMOUNTS OF NOX YOUR DIESEL CAR AND OTHERS PUT OUT IS !!.I sugest you learn a bit more instead of being ignorant !
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Much appreciated and sounds like you are in the right car.
@car_babble i actually have for 13 years 2007 1.4 turbo tjet 150bhpFiat bravo petrol got it at 37110 miles now 148623 miles has been 100% reliable and still curentlly ulez compliant its getting old now but i would not EVER have even considered buying a diesel !..And in current times diesel not suitable too expensive unreliable petrol cars most currentlly are very bad and best of a generally bad bunch are EVS some are much better tthan others Theres just a thing nowadays that all people go onabout is the bad ones partlly because they get lots of likes on youtube !!Ev fires are not that common and newer battery technology will get rid of those issues allong with less reliance on cars better public transport and smaller lighter more efficient cars instead of all the crap today sports suvs 4x4 etc !!!
@michael-sz3ff we live in very uncertain times!
Really good video and your comments were all spot-on. I had a 2005 VW Golf 1.9 TDi, the one with the pukka PD engine, and it would regularly give me 80+ mpg on the motorway, and give 800 miles from a full tank. And super reliable engine too. Man I miss that car. I now have a 320d which isn’t as economical.
Interestingly enough, my last car was a 320d. MPG were ok but not as good as my old Volvo but it was mighty fun in the bends. 80 mpg is insane and really blows the argument out of the water to really drive anything else outside of the city.
To be fair though, the amount of pollutants those old 1.9TDi engines chucked out (dieselgate) was a LOT higher than is acceptable.
@EvoraGT430 haha this is also true
@@EvoraGT430 don’t believe all you hear about older cars polluting the environment
Loved my 2016 Skoda Superb 2.0tdi… excellent car. Diesels are getting cleaner and cleaner… stupid to stop development on their engines. Would have a 3.0L tdi car again
I have the Octavia diesel 👍👍
Driving 30000 miles a year for my business diesel is still the best option for me. Not sure what type of car to buy next though in a few years 😅
2005 Golf GT TDi, £1350 to buy in 2022, 175000 miles, 68mpg, 120 mph (not at the same time, obv) What's not to like?
I have a diesel ford focus ST... 48mph and decent performance and relatively low CO2 emissions. The government have gone EV crazy and are trying to force people into them. You're right about different fuel types for different circumstances. Oh and Ad blu 😆
The ST is a great hot hatch!
Your paying a penalty with an EV its called devaluation
If you own it....
@car_babble LEASE ONE EVERY THREE YEARS ...VERY ENVIRONMENTAL
@Owen-gc8yc no I just get a used one on a PCP
@car_babble and if you lease it, as it is factored into the lease price
The last petrol engine i repaired...apart from ancient Mgb was an Infinity v8 4500 in 2021.....every single other major operation has been diesel....last week put engine back in Nissan cabstar....then started on Ford connect maybe 2008ish with craxked piston...😂😂😂..Ducatos,Boxers,Transits,Mercedes....Mitsibushis and so on...I still dont even speak the language fluently here...but have work up to my neck...
Interesting to hear...
Everyone loves Diesels ⛽️ The only thing they Hate are....Battery cars
Not everyone loves diesels, but as an EV owner, I still love a diesel.
👎
E39 530d manual x reg. Lovely drive no depreciation, lego to fix🥰
Belter of car.
In my diesel I can go from Staffordshire to the Loire valley on one tank (616 miles) and run about a bit before needing to refuel for the trip home. When an EV can do something similar I may consider one. It’s the recharging kerfuffle and the time it takes that puts me off.
Thanks for the comment. I have to say, the charging side of things really doesn't bother me for the most part.
@ it might not bother me either.
It would drive my wife apoplectic and therefore me so it’s a no.
The people who misunderstand and accuse Deisel drivers of being so horrific - they need to watch the many documentaries on the families digging up the Cobalt for EV batteries in the Congo - for a dollar a day!!
Never mind the mining for the rest of the metals required.
Every EV has an exhaust pipe - it is just in another country.
I'll stick to my 2.7 v6 diesel for now thank you 👍
Great video 👌
Thanks for the feedback and "every EV has an exhaust pipe - it is just in another country" - superb quote.
If they didn’t have DPFs I’d have one but they are too complicated now and too much to go wrong. And you can’t have a newer one unless your blasting it down the motorway every week
We have two diesels.
We got the first in 1993.
A diesel car doesn’t control your life.
Been on 315 mile trip and retuned 67mpg and can still cover another 250.
Probably the most balance take I've heard on here about the state of the situation, everyone seems so fanatical about it on both sides.
EV's are definitely a good option for many, half of my family has them are happy with them.
One area I can comment on where I think they've dropped the ball is commercial, and especially where I live in Sheffield.
They've created the "clean air zone" that covers anywhere on, or inside the outer ring road for any commercial vehicle under a euro 6 diesel.
This causes a lot of problems with some basic trades, like plasterers, decorators, scaffolders. removals and gardeners etc.
The main issue is that they can't afford new, especially with the prices now, and were always the people who would buy the 2nd or 3rd hand ex fleet vans.
But buying a euro 6 that's out of warranty is a gamble they don't want to take and I can't blame them, euro 5's gave enough headaches.
The engines have been strangled for emissions, undersized 1.5 twin turbos, ad blue, DPF's, electronics, not to mention the wet belts, every repair (and there are many) seems to be a £2k+ job, that's if you can find a mechanic who can even fix it.
A lot of vans that should have another 5+ years of life in them are going prematurely to the scrapyard.
What a lot are doing is buying decent condition euro 4's which are holding their price even against older CAZ compliant euro 6's and just not working in the inner city, or billing customers the £10 per day fee (even to just go quote).
Not sure how the next road tax hike will effect them, but it's all getting a bit out of hand.
Commercial BEV's just aren't up to job.
Thanks very much for this comment. Interesting points about tradesmen and I feel for them massively. Passing on the cost to clients makes sense but sad that someone has to pay at all.
You have consider the interest rate on any financial deal.
I was offered a deal on my current car and it would have cost me an additional £5000.
I will only take the cheapest rate on the market. I just view PCPs as leases and its a bonus if the car has an equity at the end.
I agree with you there are some users that will be better off with a diesel and when I got my first EV I thought I would keep a diesel as a second car for long distance trips but found it sat there and after 8 month one tank of diesel servicing and an emissions related repaire it was time for it to go but I am down in South where there is plenty of Tesla charging and lots of traffic so I now have a model Y
Liked the balanced article Euan.
Here in NZ the environmentally concerened are buying the EVs and Hybrids. But with only 5m of a population on similar land mass as the UK. The hand wringing is completely unessessary. There is very little animosity between petrol/diesel/EV drivers, but certainly there is a smugness with EV drivers here. Usually those on above average income who have a the need to display their left leaning credentials despite the knowledge that if all private car owners swapped to EVs, the countries fragile renewable (85% at last count) energy production would collapse.
We wont be getting rid of diesels or petrol driven vehicles for a long time yet.
Thanks Alfie. It's all bollocks if the source of electricity isn't up to scratch in the first place.
73 plate diesel, 24 plate petrol. 40 million cars on UK roads, good luck changing them to EV. EVs are not environmentally friendly.
They are super fun for accelerating though :)
So glad someone that drives a EV is telling the truth, so thank you, yes EVs are ideal for city driving, and if you charge at home job done, but at the moment EVs are rubbish for people that drive long distances, more than 200 miles a day for example, I will get a EV when a charge can be done in 10 minutes and it will travel 500 miles plus like my diesel bmw, good video.
Thanks mate!
My wife's old diesel got 60mpg, her new petrol gets half that
I like diesels but my petrol returns 50 mpg.
A lot of petrol cars will do 45mpg now
My diesel is quiet compared to my friend petrol.
Based on the Isle of Wight now, I’ve just gotten my first EV. previous to that I’ve had two Golf GTEs and could plug them in every day, reason for change, seldom used the engine and it never really got up to temp here.
Previous had a 2L petrol TSI Octavia VRS and that was my bus between the IOW, Glasgow and Edinburgh for years, and well I didn’t go diesel as local driving in Glasgow, the IOW a DPF wouldn’t stand a chance let alone adblu injection.
Is an EV better… strange swing really isn’t it, the being its are a person by person case, still have my 02 DISCO TD5, two and four stroke motorbikes mind 😂
They’re going to ban diesel?….really….look what just happened to heat pumps.
That's what they are saying...
A logical discussion.
It's really simple.
Are you doing a lot of miles weekly/monthly? Get a diesel.
Are you using your car just to go to the local supermarket and for the occasional holidays? Do NOT get a diesel.
Bingo!
A diesel will always be around 30% more efficient than petrol, the fuel is more energy dense and the combustion process more efficient. Modern euro6 diesel are also very close on NOx to petrol and produce 50% less CO, much more poisonous than CO2. The issues with diesel is short journeys but if you regularly do long journeys diesel is still king.
I've had a BMW 335D for 8 years, great performance, 45+ mpg and after 8 years without finance it owes me nothing. Other than servicing during my ownership it's cost £130 in repairs 🙂
Amazing! The 335D is one of the greatest cars ever made in my opinion.
It amazes me how many old Smokey diesel vans and cars are on the road surely they would fail an MOT , that’s imo what gives diesel cars a bad name . My 2016 diesel is Euro6 and passes MOT easily on the particulates bit
ULEZ is just another tax on the motorists air flows all around the world and does not just stay in one area,
so fumes / pollutants from all motor vehicles and industrial plants, volcanoes etc get mixed in with the air and would be diluted to some degree!
For me it's just the sound.I'd rather go petrol and spend less on the car to start with and then pay the higher fuel bills
Fair doos mate. A few ways to view where the costs ultimately sit I guess
Diesels are very quiet now and have been for years.
I love my Derv, and you will have to prise it out of my cold dead hands.
BTW, I don’t think any less of you for driving a car that has the street cred of a Toyota Preius 😂
One thing that I've never cared about with cars I have is street cred. A bit like the music I like :)
Diesels are far and away the best way to go , loads of mid range, economy , and long lasting if looked after , keeping my 5cyl V60 forever , never ever ever having an ev
Absolutely love the V60!!
Evs are just way way ahead with refinement. People should let go of the clattery diesel engines.
Its not all that matters to people and my Tesla is not refined but its quite at low speed!
It's not worth polishing an EV, it will be worthless by the time you've finished.
That's a problem if you own the car. Never own the car and its not something to worry about.
Diesels harm is same as petrol nowadays
My neighbours reason not to have a diesel because he would put anything in his car which required him to wear gloves.
I told him he could get dermatitis from petrol.
Will he wear gloves now?
Ridiculous ulez is going to Aberdeen and Dundee. Can't believe it. Here in Ireland air quality is excellent except in areas where people burn open fires etc at home. Even though vehicles are not the main problem, it's an easy tax
Yip, it sucks!
EVs are dull and boring. Diesels? Gordon Brown didn't sell this to me either.
In 33 years of driving, I've only ever had very high performance petrol cars.
There is NOTHING about EVs I like.
This ridiculous mandate surely will end up revoked?
Have you driven an EV? There is definitely things to like but plenty to possibly not like.
@car_babble I have, and it was dull as hell. I've spent 33 years behind the wheels of high and very high performance petrol powered cars, and I absolutely hated the heavy, boring EVs I drove..
I'll list them: 1. Tesla Model 3: The most boring and uninspiring car I've ever driven. 2: Polestar 2, same but worse. 3: Porsche Taycan. Horrible. Weird.
And I hate it when people say they're "fast." ..... they're only fast if you've never driven properly fast cars.
There's plenty of 300bhp plus hot hatches, for example, that weigh less than half an EV and are WAY more entertaining. And a good recent one will cost you between £15k and £20k.
Ok no diesel did you not notice on the motorway lots of square box like vehicles
They transport the nation goods day and night 99%
Of those are diesel powered think are you being manipulated
Yeah we need diesels for many many things.
A few iissues with diesels.
i) even in small towns and villages, diesel emissions can reach quite high levels in specific locations at specific times - the classic example is outside schools at the start and end of schools days.
ii) the levels of emissions claimed by manufacturers, and tested by the MOT and tests such as EURO 6, have very little credibility. So many manufacturers have been caught so many times cheating on diesel emissions in so many ways, that many have no faith in these numbers.
iii) the torque advantage is a bit of a red herring. Although diesel engines can produce higher torque at the flywheel than petrol cars of a similar capacity, this is irrelevant when towing, what matters is torque at the wheels, and this is a function of power output and gearing.
The emissions are negligible.
shut up...
Thanks for the comment. Most towing cars are diesel, though. Is that not factual? I don't disagree that the emissions scandal has really put doubt over everything, though.
If I didn't have 2 EVs I would probably have a diesel but finding running cost of EV is so good I can't see myself going back
but you subsitace is being withdrawn..and a good thing to.
put the camera in front of yourself or STOP,then film......
Why?
Diesel cars today are not reliable due to so much anti pollution equipment egr valves dpf sytem and nox systems and low millage city use accelates this problem VERY EXPENSIVE repairs.And currentlly there are very few new petrol cars even in last 10 yearswhich are reliable !Peugeot citroen ford vauxhall etc all have bad quality engines with I INEVITABLE ENGINE FAILURE FROM NEW !overheating wet cambelts timing chain failure etc BAS8CALLY MEANING PETROL AND DIESEL CARS WILL NOT HAVE A LONG LIFE ON THE ROAD BEFORE SCRAPAGE !!
Rubbish.
My pal just came home in a diesel Skoda taxi with 200,000 miles on the clock.
@WilliamLaverick-wo1nb i take it you cant read correctlly and know very little about cars !.im a mechanic im 53 years old and im willing to bet i know more than 95.5% more than you.And yes high milleage cars like skoda allways working are usually quite reliable BUT MOST DIESELS TODAY ARE NOT DOING HIGH MILLEAGES.I CONSTANTLLY SEE EGR DPF ADD BLUE NOX SENSOR PARTICLE SENSOR FAULTS !!!.I sugest you stay off your keyboard and get some real life knowledge and experience !😅😅😅
@ I suggest your rethink.
I’m over 70 studied general mechanics principles. ie Ice.
I drove HGV’s from 1970 to 2013 all with diesel engines. All of those vehicles were on lease until they had covered 400,000 KM’s.
In addition I have owned diesel cars since 1993. And not one of my cars has broken down or needed expensive repairs.
@@WilliamLaverick-wo1nb well you think what you want i really dont care 👍👍👍
Don't disagree with most of these points but I would say that if you do lots of motorway journeys a diesel engine will likely hold up well.
I won't be going to city and towns that have ulez ,I drive a 1.5 tdci low emissions and good milage .