Serious Question: An-Nisa /1: O men! Fear your Lord Who created you from a single being and out of it created its mate; and out of the two spread many men and women.1 Fear Allah in Whose name you plead for rights, and heed the ties of kinship. Surely, Allah is ever watchful over you. Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi / This is saying CREATED YOU FROM A SINGLE BEING (some say single being, some say person, soul, living being ....) Well I wonder what is the exact word for it and the meaning of it? And if it can be say a single being, is it too much the describe this being as a Single-Celled Creatures?? And we also know that single celled creatures in time divide(dont know how to sat it??) to multicellular organisms as described in the surah An-Nisa ?? So Quran may suggest evolution ????
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@HomoTriSapien that is actually pathetic you are absolutely wrong atheism is not a conclusion rather it make claims of god’s non existent which it can never proof wrong coming again with the darwin theory it is flawed
Allah is 1 & made us needy pairs! (Quran 112 :1 & 36 :36). Re: life tree evolution. 1. how did asexual become sexual if there isn't a Creator God? & 2. even before how did no 1 cell organism become dual celled? (no mechanism!) 3. Why's Dna & Rna co-op languages if no distinct Creator? this evolution is false! bonus : 4. Why are quarks made in pairs... 5. why is matter made in pairs (anti matter) these are the questions that prove life or the universe doesn't make itself up or from tree of life evolution, but intelligence creates separate parts for life, there are 3 types of evolution, with ambiguous terms deception is pushed, only 2 are science. micro evolution like change w/ no genetic structural change is ok, like a red haired person kid being blond. macro is ok like dogs interbreeding, but tree of life evolution, all life is from 1 cell, is fake & is where the main conflict comes from! Beliefs of Atheist: • Nothing produces everything. • Non-life produces life. • Randomness produces fine-tuning. • Chaos produces information. • Unconsciousness produces consciousness. • Non-reason produces reason. Many scientists are funded to lie like monsanto so we have to look at the clear science evidences! funding scientists to hide this and push atheism & evolution for agendas like colonies or insecure material tribal marxism to fill the moral vacuum with tyranny won't change clear facts of a Creator Who will judge us. and He sent Prophets peace and blessings on them to guide and civilize man as atheists built no civilizations and Islam is the preserved faith all other point to. Humanity and science in whole prove God is 1 & Islam a true balance despite any person's flaws! Read Quran and pray Allah guides you. Listen to Khutbah Hajjah
actually humans are flawed but god isn't therefore Islam which is the only true religion is NOT flawed, no mistakes, nothing false, everything in it makes sense unlike other theories, religions and science.@@EberMoreno-u8z
Too many straw man arguments. First of all, the title of the video is meaningless. When it comes to evolution, there's no "belief" involved. It is a model that describes empirical facts/observations. You can either accept the model or reject the model. If you can gather more data, the model may need to be revised to reflect new observations. To say "I believe in evolution" or "I don't believe in evolution" is to make science into theology. Science is not about beliefs, it's about hard data and inferences made from that data. I think it's a bit pointless for us Muslims (alhamdulillah I am muslim even though my youtube name is Joe Bloggs, just for anonymity) to discuss this topic on the basis of belief/lack of belief. Also, it's pointless and a waste of time to dismiss the theory of evolution from theology alone. The only scientifically credible way to dismiss the theory of evolution is to offer an alternative model to evolution that can explain all observed and logically inferred hard facts with regards to evolution. A model that can explains the fossils, genetics, anatomy etc. A model that can be tested, used to make predictions and that can be falsified. Only then, will we Muslim make any inroads into defeating the current model. I don't "believe" in evolution as an article of faith or as the absolute truth, but I accept that the current model as the best explanation of observed facts but as Muslims, we need to do our research and find an alternative model. Unfortunately, this is very difficult at the moment due to immense lack of investment into scientific research from Muslim countries - most are too poor and have other pressing issues, some are too corrupt, and the ones that are rich (i.e. gulf), can't be bothered and don't have the free and open society that allows for free thinking. It is a very tough situation to get out of. What's more, we have scholars and preachers who are not really trained in the natural sciences, they speak freely on this matter and throw Muslim scientists out of the fold of Islam who accept evolution -- all based on THEIR interpretation of the primary Islamic sources. This is dangerous. If scholars and preachers haven't studied biology at an academic level, they are not qualified to speak with authority on this matter -- they should just say " I don't know" .
If everybody could think like you... There would be no issue among atheists and muslims vis-a-vis evolution if muslims could acquiesce that you don't "believe in" evolution, or general relativity, or germ theory, or quantum physics. These are models of reality that emerge from the conscensus of unfathomable amounts of data and built on mountains of stress tested & confirmed hypotheses. If alternate models to established ones were put forward that have equivalent explanative and predictive power like string theory or multiverse theory, and similar theories came forward from the muslim world, than that would be a legitimate, candidates to scientific theories. However, unless these models have no empirical inconsistencies, and demonstrate to be consistent with objective, empirical evidence, than they remain cute candidates for theories but remain just that: candidates. Which is why string theory and multi-verse theory remain candidates.
@Ninja FEESE fossils are just one of the evidence. Genetics provides other set of evidences. Some speciation have been observed and recorded in some finches etc. So it's a combination of all these.
“Only than, will we muslims make any inroads into defeating the current model.” Why would muslims want to “defeat the current model?” Why not accept it for what it is. The theory of evolution which is a explanation of the evidences at hand is not and was not compiled to defeat any faith. Rather it is an explanation of evidences without any constraints and hindrances forced upon it by the yoke of religion. It’s biggest strong point is that it was and is compiled using our physical sensory abilities and does not rely on subjective claims etc.. It inadvertently negated religious theories of Adam and Eve etc... Muslims should join and engage with the mainstream scientific community but without the presuppositional belief of “Allah exists we know it and you don’t.” A scientific theory is not a belief which one can casually “believe” in or not. That outlook will degrade a theory to the realm of religion and superstition. Rather a scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be tested using observations etc...
I am seeing the atheist missionries entered the comment section just to degrade such hounerable conversation. They want to prove him wrong just by changing and deviating terminologies. And not getting the intellectual points Saboor raised .
If all the people around you are telling you that you are wrong, over and over again, than you are very likely wrong and should ask yourself, if it wouldn't make sense to think again. Oh wait, i just heared religious people always only surround themselves with other religious people so their believes aren't challengend. Sorry, should have known that considering where i am.
Mr Zift Have you heard of Agnostic Atheism? Also, for the sake of example, there is an idea called “last thursdayism” which says the universe was created last Thursday and the past is an illusion. Now, there is a chance that that’s true, however, with no evidence to support the claim, it’s nothing more than an interesting thing to think about.
Sure every theory can possibly be disprooven. And therefore your book will always be right. Actually quite clever. Funny about the Qur-an is that it claims to be written be the allknowing. Yet there is nothing in there that was not known by the time it was written. Nothing about the cosmos. Nothing about biology or genetics, Mendel Laws, chemistry. A lot of paper is wasted with boasting about what a great god, god is. That is so embarrassing speech for a god. It would have been so much more powerful to put in one fact that needs men 100 years to verify. But shurly the guys that invented god had no such powers.
The qur*n does however mentions a lot of unscientific and utterly ridicilous things like - 1. the sun sets in a muddy spring 2. the world is carried on the back of a whale called ''nun' !! 3. sperm is formed in backbone and ribs 😭😭
Predicting expansion of the universe- “We constructed the universe with power, and We are expanding it.” (51:47) Big bang theory + living things made of majority water, also early life on earth in the ocean- “Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were one mass, and We tore them apart? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not believe?”(21:30) Protective layer of sky- “And We made the sky a protected ceiling; yet they turn away from its wonders.” (21:32) There are MANY more examples so please look into it and may Allah guide you. Also keep in mind that the Quran is independent of any scientific theories and obviously shouldn’t be subject to the evolving field of science.
Br Musa I respect what you're doing with these podcasts but please dont interrupt the speaker I know you're used to the chit chat with brothers sometimes on these shows thats fine to talk over in that kind of show but this is an intellectual topic and is a very deep subject so please let br subboor finish then gently intervene to move on. Its vital to learn the art of presenting a show if one wishes to be successful and please accept my negative feedback.
As a biology student who was very interested in evolution, i left islam a few years ago. There's no way evolution can be false. We have so much of evidence
@@SubD-q1z Islam says first humans were Adam and Eve and Adam was created from clay. In evolution there is no concept of first humans. Evolution and creation story don't get along.
@@falinks7814 Adamic Exceptionalism has been the standard held position for a pretty long time by some Muslims given that it doesn't contravene any established tenants. The best English body of work on this, is by Prof. Shoaib Ahmed Malik, you can check him out. tldr is that it's the proposition that Adam and eve were specially created (as per the apparent meaning of the Qur'an) but that scripture is silent on the existence of other evolved human lineages at the same time, it also makes use of tawaqquf
@fbng proof 😂 this then why do humans have neanderthal dna? That proves a subspecies of human being the homo genus in fact existed also being evolution existed and debunking the quran or the bible or any kinda adam or eve program
The scientific method is the best method of understanding the natural world we have. Religious priests claims of the 'truth' should be challenged and questioned by critical thinking .
I completely agree with you. But scientists challenge and question each other using critical thinking too. This is all in the name of seeking knowledge. Which is the first ayat in the Quran; Iqra' (read/seek knowledge)
The Qur'an is the best method of understanding salvation that we have. Scientistic priests claims of the "truth" should be challenged and questioned by critical thinking. Science might give you the nuclear bomb as the greatest military weapon, but I dare any thinker to deny the saving power of Islam.
The relation among all living things through DNA analysis is irrefutable. Just like our DNA matches with our fathers and mothers, it also matches with other living things. It shows the biological connection among all living things. Now, yes, surely there are many things in the concept of evolution that are being and can be researched further but some basic facts are not gonna change. It's the sub-theories within it that will keep on refining all the time. This is what the scientific method all about.
lol that is the most retarded low iq bs I have encountered in a while, why did scientists chop 28 %of human dna and 8 % of ape dna, before even comparing them ?
@@justabeardedguythatisahero9848 Thats what the method includes. The similarity is reported in terms of biological markers which are common. Biological markers cannot be compared or matched unless we are connected biologically.
Sir,why is it necessary to compare science and islam. Islam is an Arabic religion. Science is the systematic study of physical world. They are 2 different fields. And both are needed for human life.There is no need to reject one or the other.
But did he talk about evolution? Or any other specific elvoutionary theory in detail? No!!! With no disrespect to Islam and followers, There is huge amount of information/ archeological evidence/ which is extremely logical which believers of Islam don't even look at as they already would prefer to believe it to be untrue. I would say please read up on evolution in detail, and then definitely reject it if truely doesn't work for you. For example how neantherthals' physique evolved around survival in extreme conditions and how homosapiens have a bigger cranial cavity because of relatively easier survival leading to more brain activity. There is a lot more substantial information. Rejecting without delving into it suggests towards insecurity around one's belief system. I hope I'm not hurting any sentiments.
Muslims ignore ALL evidence which contradicts their belief, they won't even read it. Especially if written by a non-Muslim, non-Arabic speaking person (doesn't matter how many PhDs they have!). Muslims scholars in Islamic countries of course cannot do such studies, for obvious reasons... This is why there are about 10x less scientists in the Islamic countries vs the world average.
This is good comment. I like last line, rejecting something without pondering in its possibility is stupid, forgot who said the quote but it’s a sign of intelligence to contemplate situations they believe to be untrue
I hope one day you'll be smart. According to your belief theory imagination, animals adapt and evolve according to their enviroment. So why, people from all parts of the world, living in their civilization for thousands of years, all have the capacity to the same level of intelligence as we see in today's modern world?
The advantage of science is that it can be changed when new facts are discovered that contradict the previous theory. What we thought, for example, 50 years ago has changed and what we think we know today can be change tomorrow. Science is constantly evolving(nothing is written in stones). And that’s the beauty of it my friends.
To have the science level of thinking means to have actual knowledge. You only have the ignorant managerial level of 'thinking', being caught up in the world of phenomena.
@Kuffar Legion Actual knowledge correct information and is independent. The principle of 'evidence' may be put forward to try to convince others of it. Something else, given the statements you've made your intellect is clearly failing you (completely).
'They[scientists] believe with certainty that the universe was eternal' This is false, scientists dont believe anything with certainty, not even gravity. They may have believed that it was highly likely that the universe was eternal, but that is not the same thing as certainty at all.
'Scientists count swans and never see a black swan so say all swans are white. ' This is also nonsense, many people over a period of time would count swans, and if even then there appeared no black swans, they would say, 'under these conditions, in these places, it is unlikely there are black swans', and the kicker is, guess what?, they are right, it is unlikely.
Evolution isnt disputed for its accuracy(this is just patently false), its accepted by all credible scientists and there are extreme amounts of evidence for it, and proofs of it. Having a probabilistic nature doesnt mean it is 'unsure'; Quantum mechanics for example is a very well tested theory, we measure it as such, but its 'lessons' are largely probabilistic.
@@deadmeat1471 I watched another video with this guy, and it's only "Darwinian Evolution" that he doesn't accept as true. He mentioned a website called Darwinian Delusions. He didn't say Muslims don't believe in any theories of evolution.
Belief is not required as evolution is already a proven fact. Small changes in DNA over long periods of time as well as environmental influences can and will dictate what happens to a species down the line. Rejecting evolution is like rejecting gravity. It’s a fact of life.
@@yasararafatha3139 that's your answer? 😂.... The ape to man theory has been debunked by contemporary and modern evolutionary scholars themselves...what r u on about?
@@gintokisakata3703 my reply was to the person above extrapolating from the OPs comments that he's talking about ape to man theory... Environmental changes(epigenetics) and changes in DNA (random mutation) have no exclusively relation to ape to man theory... Which is why his answer to OPs comment being "lol ape to man theory" Is dumb since a) the OP didn't even hint at that theory and b) people who r even moderately educated on evolution don't reference ape to man theory as a proof to the entire concept of evolution Hope this makes it clear
There really isn't a whole lot of debate among biologists about evolution. In fact, all of modern biology is based on it. Overall I thought this was a thoughtful discussion but religious people in general (Christians, Muslims, etc) are really quick to throughout this vague notion that there is significant disagreement among academics about the reality of evolution without providing any support for this claim. There will always be fringe thinkers and apologists who are willing to claim things that run counter to the evidence but that doesn't mean their ideas have any significant backing in the scientific community. In contrast, the question about the origins of the universe is STILL widely debated.
@@roberthannah7983 The argument is that Muslims believe that the first human being was created directly from clay, without a mother or father, and therefore, cannot believe that humans are an evolved species prior to Adam. While evolution may be a reality, the narrative has to have this exception to certain religious groups.
@@ImyManzProductions This Quran passage does not seem to imply a direct creation. It could be a fanciful way of describing the appearance of life and evolution: Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little lump, then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” [23:12-14]
@@roberthannah7983Don't speak without knowledge. Who ever believes in this theory is a kaffir. All of the muslim scholars know allah created the first human in the heaven and sent him to earth after that. Evolution is an absolute myth. Don't put myth into the quran.
The religious people keep looking for the small minority of these "philosphers of science" that evolution is apparently not real when there is SO much evidence of evolution being real.
There's a huge difference for why the "static universe" hypothesis was thrown away, and why many of us embrace the scientifuc theory of evolution, as we understand it thus far. It was the lack of evidence for the big bang model that led some to conclude at one time that the universe never had a beginning, but new evidence for a beginning is why that theory no longer exists, but for evolution, evidence exists for all life forms today that shows a progressive trend amongst todays species that go back long ago, and it's the fact that while we don't see 99% of the species today in the fossil record, but rather the reminas of species that show common descent, and we find this evidence for humans as well. There was never evidence for a static universe, rather, it was a lack of evidence yet to be found to contend this, but evolution for every modern species has evidence in EVERY field of science, whether a holy book confirmed this or not. You cant just make evidence go away because it contracts all holybooks, it only shows why the majority of the scientific community doesnt refer to these books to guide them as we search for earth's and the cosmos's history, and it's because the ancients who were responsible for these holybooks didnt have the tools we have today to find truth, rather they offered nothing more than uneducated speculative anecdotes that just keep on turning out to be far from what we keep finding in nature. There are reasons why we no longer take many of cultural myths seriously anymore, and it's because evidence keeps arising that show the ancients were just making up stuff as they went along. Remember, at somepoint the ancients believed in what you dub as myth, and as firvantly as you believe in what was written in your holybook.
I don't know about other muslim but this verse gave me chill "And your Lord is the Free of need, the possessor of mercy. If He wills, he can do away with you and give succession after you to whomever He wills, just as He produced you from the descendants of another people" al an'am 6 : 33
Even if evolution proves to be wrong in future doesn't mean Qur'an tgeory of creation is true by default . Likewise if atheist people are qrong doesn't mean islamic allah become s truth .
@@sumanshil9371 Yes I know this, and I am an atheist in case you didn't catch that, even a bit anti-theist considering some of my positions toward religion in general. Yes, we atheists could be wrong and there could exist a god or gods that are not just human imagination, but for the same reasons we classify many of the other theological stories and the gods that went along with them, at least I personally find the same mistakes made in the claims and stories made by the abrahamic religions and their holybooks. There's no reason why those aren't just mythology as well as the god or versions of the same god that went along with those stories, it's just that the other myths are generally not believed by people today, but there has always been a time where civilizations did believe those myths and their gods just as our modern day monotheists believe in theirs, and they have to ever shift the goal posts and reinterpret the literal claims in their proprietary holybooks to keep their god and the stories relevant. I would dare to say, that if atheism is in fact not correct, the true god or gods are not going to be the ones that are depicted in the popular theistic holybooks, I would imagine it would be either older theistic gods that are no longer relevant today, or a deistic god or gods that do not intervene at least with nature or human affairs on earth. As for evolution, NO, evolution will not e overturned, because the facts about nature that it explains away about, are facts that we observe today, it would only be certain more minor details that would change or be overturned. The phenomena we know as gravity is always going to exist in science as well, becuse it is a phenomena that we observe everywhere in the universe, but if anything changes about our scientific theory of gravity, it will be how we perceive it, and that would happen if it does if and/or when we come up with a quantum theory that explains what gravity is and why it draws objects with mass to each other.
@@brucecook502 i agree with you . The religious people use terms like nonbelievers proves that god is just a believe .thats the thing they themselves are validating by saying nonbelievers
"Should Muslims believe in evolution" ???. Evolution is an absolute proven fact, imagine a room full of file cabinets, in these cabinets are all the facts about evolution, the name on the door of this room is The Theory of Evolution. Words have more than one meaning, the word theory used by the public means a guess or hunch, the word Theory used in scientific terms is a summation of all the facts and Laws on the subject Do you deny the Law of gravity for instance, a lot of religious do, due to believing in flat earth and the firmament etc
It's actually not. In fact there are still huge gaps in it -such as the development of human though-, hence it's the THEORY of Evolution, which, as with everything scientific, is being continuously revised and amended as time goes on. Unlike the Quran, which muslims hold to be never changing as truth typically is. That's the point I believe the brother was making.
Remy there is more evidence for the theory of evolution than there is for gravity There is zero evidence for a magic golem spell, e.g. Adam being made from clay/mud/dirt
@PARTH Asha Human thought ** meaning if natural selection was the guiding mechanism of evolution, free thought is pointless, it would be stimuli=reaction with no thought in between. Philosophy, art, all the kinks and individuality out there doesn't serve our survival. To not continue w this thread I'll say this; atheism, evolutionism, and all the isms, all these things have so many fallacies, holes, and contradictory "evidence" that believing in them requires faith, the very thing which they claim to despise. May god guide you to the truth. Have a great life.
Where is the Muslim evidence that MuhamMAD is the prophet of God and not just another cult leader who plagiarised from Judaism and Christianity , which by the way the latter is more likely ?
Muhamed saw could not read or write so he wouldnt know whats is the bible and town quraish he was in was polythéiste every individual and familly had statues to believe in And second how can a copy of bible be perfect and better than original so assuming it was copy and we take all the good part of those books this theory will fall in water because Mohamed couldnt read nor write And of course if you read about his life you will know the first verse is iqra which means READ ( iqra also mean gain knowledge muslims when they use this word mean they are studying or reading a book ) and mohmed will answer that he cant several times in the end the angel will recite the qu'ran and muhamed saw will memorize it And the several scientific how the pharoah body was found intact the quran predict it and not judaism and christanity even tho they existed before So we say that islam came to complete the religion “WE MADE EVERY LIVING THING FROM WATER? WILL THEY NOT BELIEVE?”[21:30 We know now that every living being is made from water but not 1400 years ago And it is He Who has created ears and eyes and hearts for you; very little is the right you acknowledge. (Qur’an) Maybe u dont know but in today embryologie they discovered that the ears are the first to form than the eyes and the heart is last to start beating You know that there are a lot of verse like always with the same order like u can find it in another chapter but still the same order i was really amazed i didnt know this only after i studied embryology of course many other muslims have seen it and u can find a lot of other évidence like the speed of lights and the expansion of the universe Of course quran is not a book of science but a book of signs if you are looking for the truth with a clear mind than you will find your way and what i found more satisfying than scientifc facts is how this holy book tallk to my soul Ps: sorry for any mistakes english is not my native language
@anonymous guy Yeah, and its your job as a Muslims to try to challenge my view about your religion, I have formed my opinion based on knowledge of the different monotheistic religions.
@anonymous guy That is an intellectual cop out. As far I am concern, Muslims don't have any proof to their claim that Muhammad was recieving his message directly from God and that he is right to be revered as the prophet of God. I am an atheist and I believe in evolulation and there is plenty of scientific evidence to support. I don't believe that the human species started out in the garden of eden and that Eve was made from the ribs of Adam. Now why don't you try your best and enlighten me as to why I couldn't be more wrong ?.
@@astrophiliathoughts3526 You do know Muhammad didn't write the Quran, right ?. The Quran was compiled by using various sources including written testimonies from Muhammad's companions and direct quotes. Uthmann confiscated every versions of the earlier Quranic ttanslations which in those times was written in many dialects and was therefore liable to being misunderstood by many readers which caused great polemic debates among the Muslims, the Quran that you read today was written in the dialect of Muhammad tribe of quraysh. He was a very effective charlatan who didn't hesitate using his military capability to forcefully convert polytheists and even followers of monotheistic religions , like Christianity and Judaism. He was a deciever who would behave and commit actions which were seen as morally and culturally peculiar by his followers, but then, he would go into many of his deep trances claiming to be in contact with his god, and then suddenly, on the spot, validating whatever morally questionable conduct he was institutionalising, as some sort of personal wish or gift from his god to him, because his god was forever 'merciful and kind' to him. And on the subject of his sixty five successful military campaigns carried through out the Arabic regions during his life time, that again also calls into question if he was a truly peaceful messenger of God, the fact he was raiding caravans of travellers, invading unsuspecting tribes and murdering the men and keeping the women as his sex slaves, marrying the prepubescent daughter of his best friend, and hoarding as much as 11 wives, in a figure he claimed wasnt allowed to anybody else because he had the sexual prowess of thirty men. other excuses was that he was marrying these women for 'strategic and diplomatic purposes and also the more laughable excuse that he was doing it in some form of "brotherly" protection, which again begs the question, Why did he forbid these women to marry after his death ?. *Giggle* I am just so glad that I wasn't born into a Muslim community or the Arabic world, otherwise I would have to blindly believe in and vigorously defend this ridiculous morally-defunct philanderer whose alter-ego was clearly what he called Allah.
I am not sure why people try to compare Quran with scientific findings when something is in line to scientific facts and say "see Quran also says same thing" while in some cases when science contradicts Quran they either try to fit explanation some how or simply say "Science can change tomorrow". Yes, science can evolve and change but some basics are never gonna change such as "Earth is Round" will never change....Similarly there might be facts that might contradict with Quran. It's not about only Quran but all Vedas, Bible or any other religious books which people might believe that are words of God.... There are hundreds on religions and everyone has their faith and beliefs and we should respect that but I think God has given us brain and we should be happy to raise questions if something seems illogical, or not true....Peace 🤞
You just threw us in the bus of false religions with nooooo hesitation. As if Islam, the Religion of God, the final revelation, meticulously preserved and unchanged revealed upon the illiteral bedouin Allah peace be upon him, did not come with it's miraculous prophecies of the tall towers in arabian peninsula and interest being spread all over, and knowledge in the Quran with regards to embryology and life coming from water did not exist?!? I wish i could care enough to provide the plethora of truly UNDENIABLE evidences of Islam's truth, but i really dont care. Whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe (Quran:2:6)
This guy says that he knows for a fact that the Quran is God’s word and it’s all truth… nobody knows that for sure, least of all this guy. It’s something that can’t be known. He then goes on talking about the “static state” theory, which doesn’t even exist because it was called “steady state” (he doesn’t even know what’s it called… wonder how well he knows it…) He then talks about the Big Bang as a theory about the universe having a beginning… the Big Bang doesn’t actually talk about any beginning… just demonstrates that the observable universe was once much smaller, hotter and denser… that is not necessarily a beginning, it was just a different state in which the universe was. And there was no explosion… He then says that evolution is not a sure thing… mistake again… evolution is really quite true… there are specifics that are still disputed, but the general principle that life forms evolve and that billions of years ago there were just simple life forms and these evolved gradually to reach the complex biodiversity we see today is more than proven.
@@Deee1672 that shows you how illogical they are, given we have more evidence for human evolution than any other species. We have chromosome 2 unequivocally linking us to chimps, not to mention a nearly complete genome sequencing, so many ERVs in common with other apes that can only be explained by common descend, not to mention fossils and biogeography … and still there are people denying human evolution because a what a 1500 years old book may say…
@Vi Ve marriage in reverse order.... Age of Aisha (R.A.) at her death during regin of caliph Marwan - 67 yrs Widowhood of Aisha (R.A.) = 40yrs Hence age of Aisha (R.A.) at death of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) =(67-40) 27yrs Number of yrs Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) lived after hijra = 10yrs Here, hijra means migration or journey of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) from makka to media Consummation of marriage of Aisha (R.A.) with prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in 2nd yrs of hijra Total married life of Aisha (R.A.) = (10-2) 8yrs Therefore, age of Aisha (R.A) at her marriage = (27-8) 19 yrs. So get your knowledge tested!! and for your kind info there is a crack on the moon....how can the prophet predict or tell when he hadn't traveled to moon?
@Vi Ve marriage in reverse order.... Age of Aisha (R.A.) at her death during regin of caliph Marwan - 67 yrs Widowhood of Aisha (R.A.) = 40yrs Hence age of Aisha (R.A.) at death of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) =(67-40) 27yrs Number of yrs Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) lived after hijra = 10yrs Here, hijra means migration or journey of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) from makka to media Consummation of marriage of Aisha (R.A.) with prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in 2nd yrs of hijra Total married life of Aisha (R.A.) = (10-2) 8yrs Therefore, age of Aisha (R.A) at her marriage = (27-8) 19 yrs. So get your knowledge tested!! and for your kind info there is a crack on the moon....how can the prophet predict or tell when he hadn't traveled to moon?
Vi Ve If we want to look at it objectively then biologically and anthropologically it was normal and ‘natural’ what he SAW did. Also the moon splitting is still more more likely (statistically) to happen than a pre-galactic rainbow explosion that occurred from theoretical particles that pop into and out of existence. Subjectively, I believe god exists because I don’t believe a unicorn farted out the universe. Those being my two options I’d choose the former. For the sake of argument I assumed you approached this from a secular standpoint, If you follow a certain faith I’d gladly address the situation from a different angle. Peace
@Vi Ve see we do not believe in every hadith...hadith was written by the sahaba the companions of prophet....hashem was the one who wrote this hadith....he was a Jew for ur kind info.. Thats why we do not accept this hadith....and also ur laughing so much why isn't there 50,000 mistakes in bible?😂😂 time for me to laugh...cracked brain its you....not the Muslims...when god clearly says a human cannot be having qualities of god!!
2:54 you can't say that they believed that with certainty, the whole basis of science is nothing is 'proven' and every theory can be wrong or proven wrong. Any scientist that is 100% certain of their theory and it doesn't allow room for it to be debunked isn't being scientific
The "theory" of evolution relates to the explanation and that will undoubtedly be revised with time. The fact of evolution remains the same - humans are subject to the same process of genetic mutations that drives evolution in observable environments.
so what your saying is you agree we observe what darwinian evolution theory predicts we should but in the future we might get an EVEN better theory that predicts more?
@@JackSparrow-ii5gt evoultion has not been proven to exist to begin with. What are you even on about? The missing link , lack of obeservable example in the lab or outside, the fine tuning and intelligently designed animals and plants all contradict the basic concept of evolution. So evolution is not a fact but scientist are working on different aspects of it. You need to get informed even evolutionary scientists know these major issues
@@izzomoses7994 what a load of crap. the whole point of evolution is that it contradicts the religious suggestion that plants and animals are intelligently designed. it proves you don't need a creator to have intelligent design.
I was disappointed with this video as the topic was not addressed. The only point I came away with is that as Muslims we're to accept the Quran as always correct, even if it contradicts what science has uncovered. I expected either exploration of some scientific concepts or excerpts from the Quran, hadith or some learned opinion from a scholar of Islam. I got little to none of these.
Please please someone who could answer me this, I am a Muslim who is true believer of Islam, I have a simple question, I can’t deny that my mind scrambled about science theories, I just want to understand in a simple and a very basic way of understanding, there’s a lot of Homo Habilis, Neanderthals or etc, dated way back 40,000 years ago or more than that,, and I believe, truly believe that we’re came only from Prophet Adam A.S every one of us in this world I believe that we has strand of DNA came Prophet Adam A.S, my question is, these bones of Homo Habilis, Erectus and Neanderthals, who are they, what are these bones? They are same from us, are they in the different line of spicie who are most like us.. ?
@@ringgame you are. You're denying evolution and common origin. This "army" of lgbtq+ is irrelevant to the question: Why are you now in the dark ages, denying science?
@@jesan733 your evolution is still a theory. Our origin is Adam not some monkeys or lizard amphibians The only dark thing about this age is the desire and pleasure driven hypocrites whom deny both science and religion and glorify Satan and immortality.
As an agnostic I can agree on certain arguments that you have made. However, you say that the Quran is the true word of God, but what do you say to Christians or Jews who BELIEVE that the Bible or the Torah is the true word of God. Also to the people who say that Evolution is just a theory. If Evolution was titled an hypothesis, then sure have your doubts about it . However, since is called a theory and not an hypothesis, that means that it has an overwhelming amount of scientific data and evidence to support it. It means that it has been reviewed by scientific peers. Anyone who disagrees with Evolution, I encourage you to look at Neanderthal skulls or Homo Habilis skulls or even all of the other species that had a common ancestor with apes. These bones are self evident that they’re are an intermediate species.
Homology is defined by the structure of species based upon by their common ancestor. I’m not sure how you could interpret almost identical DNA of apes to humans or the almost identical anatomy of bones. However I do agree with you that the Bible does contradict itself. Many things are different compared to other bibles. However the Quran was written after the Bible and the Torah. The text within it are based upon the myths of the Bible and the Torah. And the text within the Bible and Torah are stories that originated from Mesopotamian mythology. Plus I never said the Bible was written by Jesus.
And correct me if I’m wrong, but I assume you don’t believe evolution is an objective truth. If that is true what would be a piece of evidence that would alter your mindset about this topic. 🤔
I agree, you cannot make an observation and claim it as true if the theory you base it upon hasn’t been validated. However how do you propose that a theory (Evolution) can be validated. If comparative anatomy, DNA research, fossil research, embryonic research, isn’t good enough to show evidence that validates a theory what can. About the interpretations that evolutionists label arbitrary. What interpretations are they? I’m not going to say that Islam is wrong however, I do not understand how one person could be Christian merely based on a belief, or how someone could be Jewish based on a belief or a Muslim person based on a belief. Also about the a=b thing. I would interpret that B,C,D etc. would all support A
In your opinion, what is one scientific discovery that would confirm evolution. How is it easy to say God exists. How would you know. If people of a certain faith started to actually try to disprove other faiths/religion what would be a discovery that leads to believe that their religion is true. I still am not understanding what scientific discovery. That in this conversation we label c is contradicting Evolution. Why is that most people of religion will use science to their benefit, but the moment that it contradicts their belief they deem it as wrong.
Believe!!?? 😂😂😂 it doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not... No matter how much times I do genetic testing or archeological research... The conclusion will always points towards evolution and not any muddy man with women made from his rib bone😂😂😂😂
Muddy man? Looks like you don’t even understand evolution. - “Allah ˹alone˺ caused you to grow from the earth like a plant.” (Quran 71:17) - “Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were one joined-entity, then We parted them? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?” (Quran 21:30)
@@cbf_imran we don’t know! All we know is that we are made of water and elements from the soil. we can only speculate. May be at some point there was a mutation that produced the first modern homo sepian
1:19 Just there you make your first mistake, or assumption : pretending that Quran is absolute "truth" over science although you concurred earlier many will find it debatable. You cannot begin your argumentative without stating a hypothesis. Now your just stating something as absolute truth whose veracity shall not be challenged and building your rhetoric in consequence. Furthermore, it's not because Islam has remained the same for the most part that it's immuable, and thus absolute truth, it's just because people who practiced it decided not to change - for many reasons other than scientific observations. But then again, my words won't reach you if I don't go straight to point: let's just admit it, the Quran isn't to be taken literally in every aspects. Many stories in it are metaphors of the human condition and not true events. There wasn't an Adam and Eve that started it all. The Earth is four bilion years old, and homosapiens are the products of the everlasting evolution that came from it. It would be short-circuiting your understanding to God to accept false propositions made by men thousands of years ago who simply didn't have access to the knowledge we have today.
Hi William! Im a muslim, but I also love science, I'd love to have a conversation with you on another platform if possible, i just wanna learn more about your perspective! Thank you!!
you want to prove that quran is not from Allah ?!!! easy .... !! PRODUCE A CHAPTER LIKE IN THE QURAN. caution : for 1400 years everyone failed this challenge. but you can try lol
JR S full of miracles? The miracles in the Quran are the unique arabic eloquence by itself, the scientific biological facts, mathematical consistency and undiscovered historical moments. You must read the Quran from the beginning to the end if you want to write the Quran and believe me, you can’t imitate the uniqueness of the arabic in it so its already checkmate against you.
Islam is the last religion by God Whether people accept this or not 😇 Islam is the logical next step after christianity, just as the christianity was the logical next step after judaism
@@TheJwaad atheists aren't certain. It's a position that unless you can show evidence it's better to not believe just like you don't believe in werewolves, pixies, loch ness monster, unicorns, Thor, Heimdall & Valkyries. What's interesting is that religious people are so sure theirs is the right religion when fact of the matter is that if they were born in a different part of the world they'd totally think the religion there is the legitimate one 🤷🏽♂️
سليمان If I was you, I would have thought twice.. and not take quick conclusions based upon my limited knowledge at a certain time.. Dear sulayman, read, ponder, think a lot more and then ask yourself why u left ..
The big problem here, as always, is that he is starting with the assumption that the Quran is correct. In science, we question everything and change our theories according to our observations. In religion, you start with an assumption, and refuse to change your belief based on observations.
@Abdullah Ibn hassan yeah my heart is blind, it doesn't have the ability to see, neither does yours. Also, Muhammad didn't split the moon in two. Can you see (or can you heart see) the other piece of the moon? I can't...
@@nubbo1763 yes we don't know what resides before the Bing Bang, and you won't get a reputable scientist that says 'it's probably this because I have a feeling". I also don't think you'll find a reputable scientist that will say it couldn't possibly be supernatural. However, as of yet, there is no good evidence for it. Because we have absolutely no clue, one shouldn't make assumptions. Your understanding of my stance doesn't even make sense. I don't think 'science' is right. How can our study of the natural world be right on before Big Bang when no conclusion has been drawn? I have an open mind. I am an agnostic atheist. I believe there is not enough evidence to prove or disprove a creator. However, based on religious scripture, I'd argue the creator is not what they describe (if there is one). So, no, that's absolutely not my argument.
@Abdullah Ibn hassan please can you phrase the questions more clearly :) I'm not entirely sure on which parts are the questions. Do you want me to read about those topics or are you asking something specific?
Dear brothers in lslam please please translate these intelligent discussions specifically brother Saboor, one of the best... Please translate in the beautiful Arabic language...appreciate these amazing Muslims which have taken Islam as thier responsibility.. MashaAllah,,, O" Allah by your grace and power increase thier knowledge and bless them in your way..
The earth may presently have up to ten million species, yet more than 90% of species that have ever lived on the earth are now extinct. Once again, the creationist doctrines fail to satisfactorily address why a divine creator will firstly bother to create millions of species and then allow them to perish. The Darwinian explanation for extinct life is once again simple, elegant and at once convincing-organisms go extinct as a function of environmental or biological assaults for which their inheritance deems them ill-equipped.Therefore, the so-called Darwinian theory of evolution is not a theory at all. Evolution happens-this is a fact. The mechanism of evolution (Darwin proposed natural selection) is amply supported by scientific data. Indeed, to date no single zoological, botanical, geological, paleontological, genetic or physical evidence has refuted either of the central two main Darwinian ideas. If religion is not taken into consideration.Darwinian laws are acceptable just like laws proppsed by Copernicus , Newtow, Einstein etc- sets of natural laws that explain natural phenomena in the universe.
Wrong. The reason why scientists say the universe may be eternal is because the energy was already there and may have always existed in some state. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the big bang describes the origins of the universe, it only deals with the expansion of the universe and the change of energy states from a hot dense state to a cooler and sparse state.
@@chimpanzeethat3802 the first person that i see and contradict scientists confirme theory of the big bang lol , the Universe is imposible to be eternal since he didnt existed before the big bang , and you need to know better what scientists call Big bangs Egg , where energy and mass whas present due to the hight presure that was implied on them , now , its obvious that the universe is clearly not eternal , now you have to provide a proof that energy existed before big bang , and from where comes that energy, and what originated that energy
@@chimpanzeethat3802 resumed , its a fact that the universe is expanding , so he needs to have a begin , because if is static and eternal as you said why the distance between the galaxies is increasing and decreasing , you need to understand the basis of the phisics and dont play smart
No, it's just that you don't know what the big bang theory entails. It's a common misconception but it doesn't actually address the origins of the universe. It doesn't address the origins of space, matter or time either. It explains the expansion of the universe from a position of all fundamental particles being condensed into a tiny little hot dense state ready to rapidly expand into a cooler and sparse state. That's literally all it describes. The energy required was already there before the actual expansion. No one knows yet where the energy came from but if the 1st Law of Thermodynamics is anything to go by it means that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can only be transferred from one state to another, it is probable that the energy was always there in some state. It's also because time slows down in states of super massive gravity and during the initial stages of the Big Bang that is so much super massive gravity that one second can equal infinity. Combine this with the fact that even empty space still contains energy, both positive and negative, you are talking about the possibilities of infinite time scales. Hence the reason why most cosmologists believe the universe is eternal and had no beginning.
"Science can always change its conclusions". Because human knowledge is ever evolving. Bu religion can never change, without collapse, because it claims to have the only truth, the eternal truth, and this, as a human invention, is quite simply impossible.
@@mrkashka0 Creatures don't evolve, population systems do. If create an environment the size of Dubai with 100 cheetas and then airdrop into this environment 50,000 goats, and you seal up that environment up for 500 years, if your ratio of pray to predator is stable, you will return 500 years later to see MORE THAN 2 different species of animal, none of which may be the ones you started off with. The heard of goats will be pruned daily by the cheetas, with the more agile, faster goats, surviving more chases, and goats that vocalize warnings between themselves if they spot predators and then hide may stall predators and live to see another day. If herds of the fastest goats reproduce, and herds of vocalizing + hiding goats reproduce, after 500 years of natural selection (30 generations), the herd of quick goats will be anatomically very different from the vocalizing+hiding goats. Much in the same way that 30 generations of selective breeding of a mutt can lead to grayhound proportions or mastiff proportions from the same common ancestors. Eventually genetic drift becomes so high that 2 divergent population systems from the same initial herd can no longer reproduce. This is how evolution and the diversity of species is explained through evolution. Evolution is not gorilla gives birth to chimp which gives birth to human. To say this is to fundamentally misunderstand the very thing that you criticize.
lukahead6 Nice way of putting it. But still, where did all this universe come from? There surely has to be a divine creator because nothing comes from nothing.
There is no day of judgement. Stop spreading your delusional and deluded notions about the world and alleged afterlife, and especially stop acting as you know the truth. In fact, if Islam were the truth, why are the world leading scientist, philosophers, inventors etc. non-Muslim? (your name is Talhaoui, you are Muslim from the Maghreb). What about all those peope who safe millions of lives on earth or who contributed significantly to the development of technology, medicine, and so forth? Barely anyone of these are/were Muslim.
Theodore J. Rubinstein bro all of the base of sciences were done by Muslims. If you read the Islamic history, you will realize that during the caliphate many scientific research were conducted.
Is that the day the most merciful of those that show mercy will start eternally punishing us? For the harmless crime of not believing in a god we had no evidence for?
Theodore J. Rubinstein yeah that’s why all the prophets came to us to warn us for that day.. being killed because ignorant people like you don’t believe it till you see it, but I guess it will be late..
Except the Big Bang does not say the universe has a beginning. The bing bang model says space began to expand from a single point but please continue with your post hoc rationale
@@xmuhmd I have one question. You are a muslim right? Please don't get offended but prophet Muhammad was illiterate. He couldn't read and right. So the Quran wasn't written by Muhammad himself. Then how do you know that quran is the word of Muhammad. How do you know that every word in quran was spoken by Muhammad. And god is mentioned in quran but how do you know quran is truth. No other historians have written that Muhammad is the prophet of god sent by god himself.
Navy Blue Why its word of God? Because God knows how he created the Universe And he wrote in the Quran he created Universe like the scientists say today... Big bang... 1400 years ago... Theres everything from embryology to quantum physics in te Quran... and all written with 100% perfection... try search ThereIsNoClash here on youtube its actually very interesting bro
So basically he is saying when we are comparing the Quran and Science we see that the science in the Quran is always been true, while science has changing models, so if there is doubt we refer to the Quran for the true definite science. For example, he gave the example of the state of the universe, in the Quran it says (paraphrasing) "we are the expander of the universe" while 70 years ago they believed that the universe was eternal and static. Then in the future that changed due to discovery and we got the big bang theory that is the Quranic stance. That is why we call the Quran true, so in the case of evolution we don't call it true, because we believe that #1 there's alot of models to evolution and number #2 it's a theory, so we refer to what the Quran says. There are more examples of Quranic definite science but case in point.
The point that he made about the Soviet scientist not wanting to accept the universe not being eternal because it would give rise to religious thought is an example of how scientists are not free from bias & societal influence
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe if something in the quran is not true that would make the whole quran not true in entirety so if there was something unture nobody would believe in the quran
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe 2 things first the quran is in whole what i mean by that is if 1 thing is untrue that means none of it is true so i wouldent just stop believing in 1 thing the quran is a whole , ur presupposing a squared circle ie impossibility idk whats the point of thinking about impossibilities
My man, islam/Quran changes with every new discovery in science smh, if Allah/God were given a choice between his book or science he would've chose science.
@@MiguelLopez-sk1pf he never said they are immoral, what he said was that their morals are just subjective conjuncture, which is true. A moral atheist can exist, but moral atheism? Not so much
Why these people synchronize quran with science.. And to be frank in my case this made me a ex-muslim.. Some educated people linking science with quran... And its too rubbish..
salaam, ex christian here, I believe we can educate all religions to hell because that is where religions belong, religions are for frightened and ignorant people educated people do not NEED religions, happy people don´t need them either
@@rufiredup90 there is not one scientific fact in the quran your claim is as stupid as claiming there are video´s and pictures in the quran why on earth did you make that false claim???? To scare people with your sheer stupidity?
I completely get that science is always being revised, so in that sense you can't have 100% complete certainty in it. But how can you have 100% certainty in the Quran? Just because the Quran isn't being changed doesn't mean it's 100% correct, surely?
There is no proof that the Quran is from God. The Prophet could not provide evidence when he was asked to do so, other than giving a subjective test of construct and eloquence which is highly debatable (because books are scattered all over and verses are omitted according to Hadiths). Also, one thing Muslims can't wiggle out of is the production of sperm, according to Quran, it originates from the backbone and the ribs as opposed to what we know today, from the man's testicles. This one error invalidates the Quran as proves it is not from God. God is all knowing.
This is what is known as mental acrobatics. When you hold a belief, and are willing to distort everything around you, just to fit that narrative. Rather than interrogate your narrative to see if it fits the real and hence becomes the rational. I have no animosity towards Islam or religion as far as a person is willing to believe. But it's the dogmatic religious mind which baffles me.
The best answer to this video is something that Sam harris says. Name one thing for which we once had a scientific answer and now it's been proved wrong by religion. You can't. Now, think of the things for which we once had religious answers but now are proved wrong by science. You already have a lot of things in mind.
Sheraz Ahmad : where does science contradict the Quran? Spending too much time looking in the mirror doesn’t make you an expert about the Quran,pleasant dreams.
@@tomorrowmaynevercome3171 There is barely any information in the Quran. It's just a repetitive collection of statements about the "greatness of God" and the "separation of Muslims and alleged non-believers". The creation of mankind. That's an example of a false claim in the holy books.
Rayan : the flood was local . SAHIH INTERNATIONAL25-37 And the people of Noah - when they denied the messengers, We drowned them, and We made them for mankind a sign. And We have prepared for the wrongdoers a painful punishment. Out of clay from an altered black mud. A biogenesis is a non living matter that underwent transformation under certain conditions = altered. SAHIH INTERNATIONAL015-026 And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud. SAHIH INTERNATIONAL025-028 And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud.
So wait, if there's a contradiction and because Science can be wrong, you're gonna default to Qur'an? Your "Swan" analogy was nice but you're missing a key point in that analogy, Scientists never claim anything with absolute certainty. So, in this hypothetical world, the Scientist are more like to come up with the conclusion that "Swans are white in color to our best knowledge". And if they were to find a black Swan, their previous statement wouldn't now be considered wrong. It'll just add more to their attributes about Swans. And just so, if we were to every find new evidence on Evolution, it would add MORE to the theory than completely cancel it. Because the evidences we have so far are not just crums on the table. There's an abundance of evidence on Evolution and that all life on Earth are related. It's undeniable. The chances that we'll come up with an evidence that completely changes our perception 180 degree on evolution are highly unlikely. The same as Gravity or the Earth is a sphere. Unless an evidence surfaces such as that it was all a hoax from the Devil or something, which c'mon now. I'm not even gonna entertain that idea.
@Benjamin Park by asian the guy might've meant nationality. But even that u cant assume. Or he mightve meant asian as in chinese or japanese. Anyways its odd.
@SOME PEOPLE ARE NIGHTMARES By most people you mean those in the USA NOT the rest of the world. People in the UK refer to people from Asian descent as Asians, as do most European nations.
The host of the channel Miss is very immature he doesn’t know what he’s doing there. The guest is very knowledgeable he’s aware of what he’s saying he should’ve had someone more serious with him to be having a powerful conversation like this.
He is very mature, this is the only video he was criticized in, how are you jumping to conclusions like that, look at his previous videos, a very nice brother, both of them are amazing
@@barrak2k059 He's referring to prophet mohammed ....angel jibreel used to bring message of god from allah to our prophet but nobody saw jibreel except prophet ....so basically he means to say that if today someone claims that he's hearing voices in his head and the voice is telling him to do certain things ......so should people believe him just like it happened in prophets time .
@@Aman-wt9iv depends on the person, reason I believe the prophet Mohammed peace be upon him is because he was the most trust worth of his time even known as “sadik al ameen” which roughly means truth speaker and secret keeper. You could literally give the prophet a diamond necklace and he will keep it safe with him until you need it. And in Islam its stated prophet Mohamed is the last prophet from Allah so why would I believe someone else
I was baffled by how they goes straight passed Quran saying "oh we know Quran is the absolute truth" and started scrutinizing scientific methodology, and your understanding of science is very weak sir, not even close, after watching 500 ducks from 500 corners of the world let alone a mathematician or physicist, a biologist wouldn't even conclude that.
You can't proof Quran is not from God Many ex-atheist became muslims After trying to proof Quran is not from God Just Read Quran and 70% you will be a muslim 😇
Anuosha Irfan What is the proof for the Quran? Why does this proof outweigh the proof of macroevolution and other religions? Genuinely curious on your answer
In this particular context, he's talking to Muslims listening to the Podcast. He isn't trying to convince Non-Muslims that Islam is correct. He does that in other videos
Scientists overwhelmingly agree that humans evolved over time, and most Americans are aware that this is the case. Among scientists connected to the American Association for the Advancement of Science, 98% say they believe humans evolved over time.
I don't think that it's the right way to approach a theory, like it's said in the title that should you, as a Muslim, believe in evolution. You shouldn't have any preconceptions or baggage when you study something. Just look at the evidence, follow the logic and reasoning and then make a rational decision whether you accept the theory or not. If after looking at all the evidence and reasoning you think that the theory is not convincing enough, you can choose to not believe in it. But I don't think it's right to come to a topic with your mind already made up that if you wanna believe in it or not, without looking at any evidence or reasoning.
@@OnePunchSaga Idk what kinda science you’re talking about, but the science as I know it is very much rigid. (Talking about the things already known here, like if there is already a theory in science known to be true, it’s not going to change, only things can be added to it.) It’s flexible in sense where you can make modifications to it and make it more refined, but theories like Gravity and Evolution are not going anywhere.
@@swastiksingh5225 Well! there are so many instances science keeps on changing because its just an observation based on "what you see", in this video itself says scientist believed earth is eternal but alas that's not the case defined by scientist themselves. There are so many changes happening, the only thing that is rigid is Islam. Also look into other debates and see why there are so many problems with Darwin;s evolution, critically analyse it the way you analyse religion.
@@OnePunchSaga If you may would you please provide me one of those instances where an established theory, which was published in a peer reviewed journal and recognised by other scientists, which was then later then changed. The thing which you’re talking about is not related to science. Science was not even established as a discipline when people used to believe the earth was eternal. It was just self proclaimed philosophers who used to believe such things, mostly because of their religious beliefs. Science is what brought those people to the truth. Your point on evolution is also invalid as those debates have not brought forth anything fruitful and are just pointless debates, mostly religious people trying to deny an established scientific theory. As such inside the scientific community, there’s a consensus that the evolutionary theory is correct. And as I said earlier, science is flexible, but only as far as in it’s scope to expand and more refinement. It’s not flexible in sense that you can change already established scientific theories.
"The thing which you’re talking about is not related to science. Science was not even established as a discipline when people used to believe the earth was eternal. It was just self proclaimed philosophers who used to believe such things, mostly because of their religious beliefs. Science is what brought those people to the truth." - Yes, it was philosophers, but in this video Subhoor mentioned that scientist agreed to it only 60 years ago, please watch it before commenting so many times. We don't have people who are going against scientist theory, why? because its not something that earns money, if you are a scientist, IT guy you can earn lots of money quickly not historians and philosophers. if you do your own research you will find, dogmas and flaws even with noble price nominee scientist. If you have been to oxford. "Your point on evolution is also invalid as those debates have not brought forth anything fruitful and are just pointless debates, mostly religious people trying to deny an established scientific theory. As such inside the scientific community, there’s a consensus that the evolutionary theory is correct." - its a SCIENTIST DOGMA, why should i belief is their ifs and buts and assumptions, the theory is based on assumptions and observation which in the assumption might fit perfectly but again its a dogma. religious (at least muslims) people believe in logic and rationality not in dogma. Also not to give you strawman argument but no scientist can answer about infinite regression fallacy, literally no one, which is basic human logic. So darwin theory proves nothing in compare to infinite regression fallacy. Do you believe in this fallacy? last point again: critically analyse darwin theory
1. He starts with the assumption that the Quran is the word of god and that the Quran cannot be false. What evidence proves that the Quran is the word of god and that and cannot be false on some of its assertions? 2. The big bang is not the beginning of the universe. It is the beginning of the expanding universe as it is today. You cannot rule out that the universe is eternal just because scientists claim to know the universe was once condensed, but now its expanding. He asserts that the big bang theory corrected a prior contradiction between the world and the word where the universe is now known to have a beginning. We still know nothing of the eternal state of the universe just how it began to expand. 3. He never really provided a compelling argument for why Muslims should or shouldn't believe in evolution he more so just pointed out that the theory of evolution can change like any other scientific concept.
The quran is the word of God. There are many evidence to prove this but that is not the question of this discussion. The question is 'Should Muslims believe in evolution?'. The answer he gave is, in academia evolution is not a fact and that there are disagrements by experts so why should a lay muslim consider evolution to be fact or not. The point about the big bang is not scientific argument for begining of the universe but rather uncertainy of science.
@@MohamedAhmed-ni3im you think the creator of the universe decided to write a book on our planet? Lucky us. It's more likely we wrote it ourselves and have just been claiming some creator wrote it instead. Keep saying something enough times and you'll believe it's true.
@@chessandmathguy You basically gave zero evidence for why it's more likely or less likely. Please keep your opinion unless you have evidence to show us. Same back at you, keep saying something enough times and you'll believe it's true.
They whole thing is biased surley. It's easy for you to say the Qur'an and Allah is Absolute and true and we can't get certain knowledge from science. But of course you being a Muslim would say the Qur'an is absolute and true. Evolution you can physically see through fossils etc. But how can you prove the Qur'an and thus Allah are absolute and true
The Big Bang doesnt not mean that the universe had a beginning, just that it started rapidly expanding. It does not say anything about how it came to be. For all we know the universe might be expanding and retracting in certain intervals and this expansion is the big bang.
The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model explaining the existence of the observable universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution. -copy pasted
Tshepo Kgwele they didnt speak against science, they said science goes 1 by 1 with the quran, watch the whole video next time before putting a biased comment
Wow Muhammad was ahead of his time in that case for knowing all this; - “Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were one joined-entity, then We parted them? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?” (Quran 21:30) - “We built the universe with might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺.” (Quran 51:47) - “Allah ˹alone˺ caused you to grow from the earth like a plant.” (Quran 71:17) - And We have placed firm mountains upon the earth so it does not shake with them, and made in it broad pathways so they may find their way. And We have made the sky a well-protected canopy, still they turn away from its signs. And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.” (Quran 21:31-33) "One of the signs of Doomsday is the rivalry of bare-footed, poor shepherds (Arabs) in constructing high buildings and boasting about it.” (Bukhari 50) "The Hour will not be established until you fight the Turks, who have small eyes, red faces, and flat noses. Their faces look like hammered shields. Again, the Hour will not be established until you fight people wearing shoes made of hair." Bukhari 2928 (Siege of Baghdad (1258)) Umar said: who has heard mention from the Prophet describing a tribulation like the *waves of the ocean*? Hudhaifa said: I heard the Messenger of Allah saying “Temptations will be presented to the hearts of people like a reed mat woven stick by stick and any heart afflicted by them will have a black mark put into it, but any heart that rejects them will have a white mark put into it.” (sahih Muslim 144) 📺📱
Science is a branch of knowledge which is constantly learning and growing while Quran is a book of signs not science and is eternal word of Allah which will stay forever. In last 100 years science has improved a little to understand what Allah already said in Quran.There were people in the past who could determine their destiny and were overturned by Allah, modern science is no way near to that knowledge. Quran told about gravity 1400 yrs ago. A scientist with latest knowledge about embryology after reading Quran will side with Quran a few years back they didn't know anything about it.
@God of Gaps give us one we’re listening and make sure it’s from the Quran not some random website… u won’t be able to. There’s no inconsistencies in Quran and it contains scientific knowledge which was impossible to know at that time. Divine revelation
He lost me at the 1st minute when he said Quran is better evidence than science. Lol.. A book written by an illiterate Arab 1400 years ago in deserts VS science the knowledge provided with full evidence and experimental proofs
Well, I would say maybe it is our understanding of Quran that contradicts the science. We have to be careful to assume that our knowledge of Quran reflects the true meaning that is conveyed by Allah. Allah knows best.
How is it that we dont understand quran when people have been following it for 1400 years? Or that the quran was written in such a way for people back then to understand. What muslims dont understand is that they have been fooled and cant realize or accept it. As Mark Twain said, it is easier to fool someone than convince them they have beeb fooled. Quran is from a science perspective or just reality perspective full of errors. End of discussion
@@sy6553 don't you find that a tad bit biased ? There is some.thing very wrong with saying that something starts off with the assumption that it is right.
You are "Just Believing" that Quran is absolute truth. Even science doesn't claim to be absolute truth even if it has sufficient evidence at it's end. Even if the evidence for prophet Muhammad might exist but there is no way you could prove whatever writen in Quran is true.
Actually universe in a way is eternal because big bang never stated that energy was created out of nowhere rather it just states that energy and matter was super densed in a single point. which could mean energy is eternal and hence universe in a way. So universe is eternal in a way.
@Monkey D. Luffy Did already, when He abrogated verses, made Mohamed change his direction of prayer and finally reduced the number of prayers he initially insisted on. God's flexible, you know, so don't take everything He says as granted, you may have a nasty surprise if you do so.
One side we have visual proofs, huge data collected over the years for the theory of evolution and on the other side we have only single book which all the questions I mean this book has only claims not a single proof but still the weight of that book is more. Irony.
bro,when this book talks about big bang, stages of baby in mother's womb, water cycle, star are moving in circles, earth is circular and many more things .. almost 1000 verses are on science in this book, we should do atleast think how it was possible to talk about these things 1400 yrs ago.
@@waqasahmed7655 bro, you should read books other than " Qur'an" there are hundreds of books written on Geography and science before Islam. For example "Ges Periodos" by Hecataeus( father of geography) , " Geographica" by Eratosthenes, works of Aristotle and Ptolemy, Historia Naturalia by Pliny( 23-79 A.D.) these are just few. Indians contribution in Geography In Rigveda ( oldest text in the world) there is description of stars. It also describes 5 seasons in India. Works of Aryabhatta(476 A.D.) calculated the circumference of earth in book " Aryabhattiyam". Hindi term "Bhugol" for geography was used for the first time in "Surya Siddhanta". Works of Varah Mihir ( 505-587 A.D.) these are just a glimpse in Science. And Last thing, It's ok to be ignorant for sometimes but not always. A friendly advice, Start explore other works. Muhammad didn't knew how to write doesn't mean he had no idea about how the world was moving ahead that time. Romans and Greeks knew about child birth, human anatomy, geography, physics and astronomy. For example There is verse about seven heavens in Bible and Qur'an, those were Sun, moon, earth, mars, venus, jupitor and saturn. And it was already known by Greeks. If you deny the existence of theory of evolution, you are actually denying Biology as a branch of science specially Medical science. A friendly advice for you brother, stop searching for scientific basis for religion ( Islam, Christianity etc) they are mere interpretation of verses out of context. Start reading. Start exploring other cultures that came before Islam. You would be surprised. That i promise. Thank you.
@@harrylal4187 what did the Romans and Greeks know about birth? Did they understand about the stages of birth and what happens. And the circumsfance of earth doesn’t have to do with anything about the Quran Becuase the Quran never discusses it
people always tend to forget natural phenomena are looked at through the lens of philosophical naturalism. As a Muslim, you can't be a philosophical naturalist. we believe in the supernatural. the matter is not the ultimate reality. matter has no power on its own. we believe in the miraculous creation of the isa. we believe the dead birds of Abraham come flying to them. we believe in the unseen. The most critical mistake Muslims make is to adopt the worldview of materialism and use it as "furkan" criteria. materialism is wrong. it doesn't work. just look at the consciousness. it doesn't work. and even if you accept materialism. which model is the fact? bush of life? tree of life? which one? which mechanism is the proven fact? there are alternative models and suggestions even in the communities of materialsts. how can you say this is fact while there are multiple models and drawings to explain the same data? there are mathematical problems. but dogmatic materialstics ignore it because one way or the other way matter has to organize itself to build up right? That is a fact, right? it only follows if you blindly believe in philosophical naturalism.
@@ahuman9013 No the quran talks about the Ptolemy model, with seven havens orbiting a flat earth. Why do you LIE about a book you obviously haven´t read?
The evidence is contained within the 30,000 plus scientific papers on the subject that include hundreds of examples of observed microevolution, dozens of examples of observed macroevolution, and thousands of different evolution experiments. There are no holes in it. There are only creationist misunderstandings.
@@chimpanzeethat3802 This is a lie! What? No scientist believes it has no holes. Darwinian Evolution? With all due respect, have you been present at all in the scientific community?
You don't need to be. The published scientific literature (peer-reviewed scientific papers and journals) can be found catalogued online in its entirety. You have the collective knowledge of the scientific community at your fingertips. Evolution is a fact accepted by 99.86% of living scientists, and accepted as fact by every scientific institute on the planet, every academy of sciences on the planet, and every accredited college and university on the planet. PS there is no distinction between evolution and Darwinian evolution. They're the same thing, it's just evolution. You don't need to prefix it with Darwinian for the same reason you don't feel the need to refer to relativity as Einsteinian. When people talk about Darwin's contribution they're specifically referring to natural selection.
_Should we believe in gravity as muslims?_ As absurd as that question sounds, Muslim clerics have written entire books rebuking gravity, and earth's movement.
Friend, theres a difference between an English theory and a scientific theory, a scientific theory means something which has mountains of evidence, for example there's cell theory and atomic theory doesn't mean it's a false explanation@@adamdzahn
@@adamdzahneverything in science you believe in is a theory. There is a theory the earth is round, to challenge this is to put yourself on the level of Donald trump voters. Well a lot of them
There are academics that do place claims against theory of evolution. And the debate is carrying since the inception of the theory itself. Scientific articles are available on internet. It's a common thing in scientific world. There are even scientists in esteemed communities who challenge already established understandings. It's a way to find new approaches and understand better.
The problem with religion is that you don't compare the two if you did that's how you become an Atheist evolution makes way more sense than the religious belief that we came from dirt or mud with a bit of magic it's ignorant to believe in one thing without questioning it because your religion goes against rational thought by saying that you shouldn't doubt the Quran lol
SAT if you go few hundred years back people thought the earth was flat... until newer technology proved its spherical. If you go few years back people thought the Universe was infinite. Until Nasa proved its expanding (Big bang) If you go few years back humans didnt know each plant has male and female, and that humans have 46 chromosomes and so on. I could keep going.
Links for the full episode and the audio version of the podcast are in the description.
@USA USA Of course no one created Allah. Allah is alkhaliq not 'iinsha'
Serious Question: An-Nisa /1: O men! Fear your Lord Who created you from a single being and out of it created its mate; and out of the two spread many men and women.1 Fear Allah in Whose name you plead for rights, and heed the ties of kinship. Surely, Allah is ever watchful over you.
Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi /
This is saying CREATED YOU FROM A SINGLE BEING (some say single being, some say person, soul, living being ....) Well I wonder what is the exact word for it and the meaning of it? And if it can be say a single being, is it too much the describe this being as a Single-Celled Creatures?? And we also know that single celled creatures in time divide(dont know how to sat it??) to
multicellular organisms as described in the surah An-Nisa ?? So Quran may suggest evolution ????
@HomoTriSapien that is actually pathetic you are absolutely wrong atheism is not a conclusion rather it make claims of god’s non existent which it can never proof wrong coming again with the darwin theory it is flawed
@HomoTriSapien the conclusion being life started by chance?
Allah is 1 & made us needy pairs! (Quran 112 :1 & 36 :36). Re: life tree evolution.
1. how did asexual become sexual if there isn't a Creator God? &
2. even before how did no 1 cell organism become dual celled? (no mechanism!)
3. Why's Dna & Rna co-op languages if no distinct Creator? this evolution is false!
bonus :
4. Why are quarks made in pairs...
5. why is matter made in pairs (anti matter)
these are the questions that prove life or the universe doesn't make itself up or from tree of life evolution, but intelligence creates separate parts for life,
there are 3 types of evolution, with ambiguous terms deception is pushed, only 2 are science. micro evolution like change w/ no genetic structural change is ok, like a red haired person kid being blond. macro is ok like dogs interbreeding, but tree of life evolution, all life is from 1 cell, is fake & is where the main conflict comes from!
Beliefs of Atheist:
• Nothing produces everything.
• Non-life produces life.
• Randomness produces fine-tuning.
• Chaos produces information.
• Unconsciousness produces consciousness.
• Non-reason produces reason.
Many scientists are funded to lie like monsanto so we have to look at the clear science evidences! funding scientists to hide this and push atheism & evolution for agendas like colonies or insecure material tribal marxism to fill the moral vacuum with tyranny won't change clear facts of a Creator Who will judge us.
and He sent Prophets peace and blessings on them to guide and civilize man as atheists built no civilizations and Islam is the preserved faith all other point to. Humanity and science in whole prove God is 1 & Islam a true balance despite any person's flaws! Read Quran and pray Allah guides you. Listen to Khutbah Hajjah
As a scientist, i can confirm science is not static, but as a Muslim, i can confirm that the Quran is Allahs word and is unchangable.
Then you are not scientists man evolution has more proof than your god Allah
As a scientist can you see clearly how flawed Islam is!?!? Sheesh
@@EberMoreno-u8z ok name one flaw
actually humans are flawed but god isn't therefore Islam which is the only true religion is NOT flawed, no mistakes, nothing false, everything in it makes sense unlike other theories, religions and science.@@EberMoreno-u8z
As a scientist, assuming that you have basic knowledge of science, I hope you know that the quran and some authentic hadiths are wrong on embryology.
Too many straw man arguments. First of all, the title of the video is meaningless.
When it comes to evolution, there's no "belief" involved. It is a model that describes empirical facts/observations. You can either accept the model or reject the model. If you can gather more data, the model may need to be revised to reflect new observations.
To say "I believe in evolution" or "I don't believe in evolution" is to make science into theology. Science is not about beliefs, it's about hard data and inferences made from that data.
I think it's a bit pointless for us Muslims (alhamdulillah I am muslim even though my youtube name is Joe Bloggs, just for anonymity) to discuss this topic on the basis of belief/lack of belief.
Also, it's pointless and a waste of time to dismiss the theory of evolution from theology alone. The only scientifically credible way to dismiss the theory of evolution is to offer an alternative model to evolution that can explain all observed and logically inferred hard facts with regards to evolution. A model that can explains the fossils, genetics, anatomy etc. A model that can be tested, used to make predictions and that can be falsified. Only then, will we Muslim make any inroads into defeating the current model.
I don't "believe" in evolution as an article of faith or as the absolute truth, but I accept that the current model as the best explanation of observed facts but as Muslims, we need to do our research and find an alternative model.
Unfortunately, this is very difficult at the moment due to immense lack of investment into scientific research from Muslim countries - most are too poor and have other pressing issues, some are too corrupt, and the ones that are rich (i.e. gulf), can't be bothered and don't have the free and open society that allows for free thinking. It is a very tough situation to get out of.
What's more, we have scholars and preachers who are not really trained in the natural sciences, they speak freely on this matter and throw Muslim scientists out of the fold of Islam who accept evolution -- all based on THEIR interpretation of the primary Islamic sources. This is dangerous. If scholars and preachers haven't studied biology at an academic level, they are not qualified to speak with authority on this matter -- they should just say " I don't know" .
Very nicely said
@Ninja FEESE Are you just looking for someone to give you talking points about what flaws there are about evolution to bring up in a debate?
If everybody could think like you... There would be no issue among atheists and muslims vis-a-vis evolution if muslims could acquiesce that you don't "believe in" evolution, or general relativity, or germ theory, or quantum physics. These are models of reality that emerge from the conscensus of unfathomable amounts of data and built on mountains of stress tested & confirmed hypotheses.
If alternate models to established ones were put forward that have equivalent explanative and predictive power like string theory or multiverse theory, and similar theories came forward from the muslim world, than that would be a legitimate, candidates to scientific theories. However, unless these models have no empirical inconsistencies, and demonstrate to be consistent with objective, empirical evidence, than they remain cute candidates for theories but remain just that: candidates. Which is why string theory and multi-verse theory remain candidates.
@Ninja FEESE fossils are just one of the evidence. Genetics provides other set of evidences. Some speciation have been observed and recorded in some finches etc. So it's a combination of all these.
“Only than, will we muslims make any inroads into defeating the current model.”
Why would muslims want to “defeat the current model?” Why not accept it for what it is. The theory of evolution which is a explanation of the evidences at hand is not and was not compiled to defeat any faith. Rather it is an explanation of evidences without any constraints and hindrances forced upon it by the yoke of religion. It’s biggest strong point is that it was and is compiled using our physical sensory abilities and does not rely on subjective claims etc.. It inadvertently negated religious theories of Adam and Eve etc...
Muslims should join and engage with the mainstream scientific community but without the presuppositional belief of “Allah exists we know it and you don’t.”
A scientific theory is not a belief which one can casually “believe” in or not. That outlook will degrade a theory to the realm of religion and superstition. Rather a scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be tested using observations etc...
I am seeing the atheist missionries entered the comment section just to degrade such hounerable conversation. They want to prove him wrong just by changing and deviating terminologies. And not getting the intellectual points Saboor raised .
If all the people around you are telling you that you are wrong, over and over again, than you are very likely wrong and should ask yourself, if it wouldn't make sense to think again.
Oh wait, i just heared religious people always only surround themselves with other religious people so their believes aren't challengend. Sorry, should have known that considering where i am.
just because something is honorable doesn't make it true.
Those aren't intellectual points but a stupid arguments . I can easily debunk his points.
@@Eglehnator islam is challenged by what please ? by theories ? 😂
get lost dude
Lmao You're acting like atheists are religious. They don't need to send "missionries". Missionaries are for the religious folks.
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Nobody noticed Yemini leaving because he's such a midget
Lol, Both are Very religious People. one is Christian And Jew's.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Mr Zift Atheists don't say God doesn't exist, they say there is no evidence for God.
Mr Zift Have you heard of Agnostic Atheism? Also, for the sake of example, there is an idea called “last thursdayism” which says the universe was created last Thursday and the past is an illusion. Now, there is a chance that that’s true, however, with no evidence to support the claim, it’s nothing more than an interesting thing to think about.
@@hamez1300 thursdaism is has true as islamism
@Ibrahim Zulfiquar "Christianity is the truth
we have evidence
the Bible"
and then that statement itself is self-refuted! neat.
Sure every theory can possibly be disprooven. And therefore your book will always be right. Actually quite clever.
Funny about the Qur-an is that it claims to be written be the allknowing. Yet there is nothing in there that was not known by the time it was written. Nothing about the cosmos. Nothing about biology or genetics, Mendel Laws, chemistry.
A lot of paper is wasted with boasting about what a great god, god is. That is so embarrassing speech for a god. It would have been so much more powerful to put in one fact that needs men 100 years to verify.
But shurly the guys that invented god had no such powers.
The qur*n does however mentions a lot of unscientific and utterly ridicilous things like -
1. the sun sets in a muddy spring
2. the world is carried on the back of a whale called ''nun' !!
3. sperm is formed in backbone and ribs 😭😭
Predicting expansion of the universe- “We constructed the universe with power, and We are expanding it.” (51:47)
Big bang theory + living things made of majority water, also early life on earth in the ocean- “Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were one mass, and We tore them apart? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not believe?”(21:30)
Protective layer of sky- “And We made the sky a protected ceiling; yet they turn away from its wonders.” (21:32)
There are MANY more examples so please look into it and may Allah guide you. Also keep in mind that the Quran is independent of any scientific theories and obviously shouldn’t be subject to the evolving field of science.
So tired of people denying it. Just read and learn science, instead of sinking into superstition.
@Proud Apostate Nah, nah nah. Rebooting new Muslim generation in 3,2,1. By the way loved the 💀.
Ana Honorato Maybe you should try to understand science instead of follow it blind.
@@farooqx01 As per se Religious dogmas are to be followed blindly in the context of revelation.
Yes, I am trying Science. It works. Evolution baby.
@@aborgeshonoratoHonorato just because something "works" does not mean its true....
@@rahatulalom4705 🤔 you clearly don't know how Scientific method works
Br Musa I respect what you're doing with these podcasts but please dont interrupt the speaker I know you're used to the chit chat with brothers sometimes on these shows thats fine to talk over in that kind of show but this is an intellectual topic and is a very deep subject so please let br subboor finish then gently intervene to move on. Its vital to learn the art of presenting a show if one wishes to be successful and please accept my negative feedback.
Same atitude ,my Frnd have 😉
Intellectual if you have the brain of a goldfish.
As a biology student who was very interested in evolution, i left islam a few years ago.
There's no way evolution can be false. We have so much of evidence
You will be shocked to know, you don't need to leave Islam just because Evolution is true 🤡
You will be shocked to know, you don't need to leave Islam just because Evolution is true 🤡
@@SubD-q1z Islam says first humans were Adam and Eve and Adam was created from clay.
In evolution there is no concept of first humans.
Evolution and creation story don't get along.
@@falinks7814 Adamic Exceptionalism has been the standard held position for a pretty long time by some Muslims given that it doesn't contravene any established tenants. The best English body of work on this, is by Prof. Shoaib Ahmed Malik, you can check him out.
tldr is that it's the proposition that Adam and eve were specially created (as per the apparent meaning of the Qur'an) but that scripture is silent on the existence of other evolved human lineages at the same time, it also makes use of tawaqquf
@fbng proof 😂 this then why do humans have neanderthal dna? That proves a subspecies of human being the homo genus in fact existed also being evolution existed and debunking the quran or the bible or any kinda adam or eve program
The scientific method is the best method of understanding the natural world we have.
Religious priests claims of the 'truth' should be challenged and questioned by critical thinking .
I completely agree with you. But scientists challenge and question each other using critical thinking too. This is all in the name of seeking knowledge. Which is the first ayat in the Quran; Iqra' (read/seek knowledge)
scientific method itself has contradictions
Father of Muslim Nations (Ibrahim or Abraham (PBUH)) had an critical thinker.
The Qur'an is the best method of understanding salvation that we have. Scientistic priests claims of the "truth" should be challenged and questioned by critical thinking.
Science might give you the nuclear bomb as the greatest military weapon, but I dare any thinker to deny the saving power of Islam.
@@lordsoffilm5459 Islam is your curse, not your salvation. Look around you to see how the Islamic world is a failure.
The relation among all living things through DNA analysis is irrefutable. Just like our DNA matches with our fathers and mothers, it also matches with other living things. It shows the biological connection among all living things. Now, yes, surely there are many things in the concept of evolution that are being and can be researched further but some basic facts are not gonna change. It's the sub-theories within it that will keep on refining all the time. This is what the scientific method all about.
You nailed it perfectly. Couldn't have said it any better!
lol that is the most retarded low iq bs I have encountered in a while, why did scientists chop 28 %of human dna and 8 % of ape dna, before even comparing them ?
@@justabeardedguythatisahero9848 Thats what the method includes. The similarity is reported in terms of biological markers which are common. Biological markers cannot be compared or matched unless we are connected biologically.
@@justabeardedguythatisahero9848 Ali Qasim is correct
@@bokononbokomaru8156 Ok zoomer Stfu
Sir,why is it necessary to compare science and islam.
Islam is an Arabic religion.
Science is the systematic
study of physical world.
They are 2 different fields.
And both are needed for human life.There is no need to reject one or the other.
But did he talk about evolution? Or any other specific elvoutionary theory in detail? No!!! With no disrespect to Islam and followers, There is huge amount of information/ archeological evidence/ which is extremely logical which believers of Islam don't even look at as they already would prefer to believe it to be untrue. I would say please read up on evolution in detail, and then definitely reject it if truely doesn't work for you. For example how neantherthals' physique evolved around survival in extreme conditions and how homosapiens have a bigger cranial cavity because of relatively easier survival leading to more brain activity.
There is a lot more substantial information. Rejecting without delving into it suggests towards insecurity around one's belief system. I hope I'm not hurting any sentiments.
Muslims ignore ALL evidence which contradicts their belief, they won't even read it. Especially if written by a non-Muslim, non-Arabic speaking person (doesn't matter how many PhDs they have!). Muslims scholars in Islamic countries of course cannot do such studies, for obvious reasons... This is why there are about 10x less scientists in the Islamic countries vs the world average.
Brother said a whole lot of nothing😂
He talked but you weren't focused
This is good comment. I like last line, rejecting something without pondering in its possibility is stupid, forgot who said the quote but it’s a sign of intelligence to contemplate situations they believe to be untrue
I hope one day you'll be smart. According to your belief theory imagination, animals adapt and evolve according to their enviroment. So why, people from all parts of the world, living in their civilization for thousands of years, all have the capacity to the same level of intelligence as we see in today's modern world?
The advantage of science is that it can be changed when new facts are discovered that contradict the previous theory.
What we thought, for example, 50 years ago has changed and what we think we know today can be change tomorrow. Science is constantly evolving(nothing is written in stones).
And that’s the beauty of it my friends.
Plus the fact that it builds on the sum total of human knowledge with every step of that documented and tested.
To have the science level of thinking means to have actual knowledge. You only have the ignorant managerial level of 'thinking', being caught up in the world of phenomena.
@@rajarsi6438 Stringing random words together to make a sentence that makes no sense shows how confused you are.
@@byteme9718 Ah, my simple, clear and valid info is already too difficult for you to understand. Well, bad luck for you, ignorant whiner.
@Kuffar Legion Actual knowledge correct information and is independent. The principle of 'evidence' may be put forward to try to convince others of it.
Something else, given the statements you've made your intellect is clearly failing you (completely).
'They[scientists] believe with certainty that the universe was eternal'
This is false, scientists dont believe anything with certainty, not even gravity. They may have believed that it was highly likely that the universe was eternal, but that is not the same thing as certainty at all.
'Scientists count swans and never see a black swan so say all swans are white. '
This is also nonsense, many people over a period of time would count swans, and if even then there appeared no black swans, they would say, 'under these conditions, in these places, it is unlikely there are black swans', and the kicker is, guess what?, they are right, it is unlikely.
Evolution isnt disputed for its accuracy(this is just patently false), its accepted by all credible scientists and there are extreme amounts of evidence for it, and proofs of it. Having a probabilistic nature doesnt mean it is 'unsure'; Quantum mechanics for example is a very well tested theory, we measure it as such, but its 'lessons' are largely probabilistic.
@@deadmeat1471 I watched another video with this guy, and it's only "Darwinian Evolution" that he doesn't accept as true. He mentioned a website called Darwinian Delusions. He didn't say Muslims don't believe in any theories of evolution.
@@Diamondraw4Real Darwinian evolution is evolution, to suggest otherwise is nonsense.
@@deadmeat1471 no.
Belief is not required as evolution is already a proven fact. Small changes in DNA over long periods of time as well as environmental influences can and will dictate what happens to a species down the line.
Rejecting evolution is like rejecting gravity. It’s a fact of life.
Lol
Ape to human theory?
Not proven fact
@@yasararafatha3139 Humans are apes like it or not.
@@yasararafatha3139 that's your answer? 😂.... The ape to man theory has been debunked by contemporary and modern evolutionary scholars themselves...what r u on about?
@@Arthelos117 he literally just said that
@@gintokisakata3703 my reply was to the person above extrapolating from the OPs comments that he's talking about ape to man theory...
Environmental changes(epigenetics) and changes in DNA (random mutation) have no exclusively relation to ape to man theory... Which is why his answer to OPs comment being "lol ape to man theory" Is dumb since a) the OP didn't even hint at that theory and b) people who r even moderately educated on evolution don't reference ape to man theory as a proof to the entire concept of evolution
Hope this makes it clear
There really isn't a whole lot of debate among biologists about evolution. In fact, all of modern biology is based on it. Overall I thought this was a thoughtful discussion but religious people in general (Christians, Muslims, etc) are really quick to throughout this vague notion that there is significant disagreement among academics about the reality of evolution without providing any support for this claim. There will always be fringe thinkers and apologists who are willing to claim things that run counter to the evidence but that doesn't mean their ideas have any significant backing in the scientific community. In contrast, the question about the origins of the universe is STILL widely debated.
And for those who want to believe in creationism, they can just assert that evolution is God's creative tool. So what is the argument about?
@@roberthannah7983 The argument is that Muslims believe that the first human being was created directly from clay, without a mother or father, and therefore, cannot believe that humans are an evolved species prior to Adam. While evolution may be a reality, the narrative has to have this exception to certain religious groups.
@@ImyManzProductions This Quran passage does not seem to imply a direct creation. It could be a fanciful way of describing the appearance of life and evolution: Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little lump, then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” [23:12-14]
@@roberthannah7983Don't speak without knowledge. Who ever believes in this theory is a kaffir. All of the muslim scholars know allah created the first human in the heaven and sent him to earth after that. Evolution is an absolute myth. Don't put myth into the quran.
The religious people keep looking for the small minority of these "philosphers of science" that evolution is apparently not real when there is SO much evidence of evolution being real.
There's a huge difference for why the "static universe" hypothesis was thrown away, and why many of us embrace the scientifuc theory of evolution, as we understand it thus far.
It was the lack of evidence for the big bang model that led some to conclude at one time that the universe never had a beginning, but new evidence for a beginning is why that theory no longer exists, but for evolution, evidence exists for all life forms today that shows a progressive trend amongst todays species that go back long ago, and it's the fact that while we don't see 99% of the species today in the fossil record, but rather the reminas of species that show common descent, and we find this evidence for humans as well.
There was never evidence for a static universe, rather, it was a lack of evidence yet to be found to contend this, but evolution for every modern species has evidence in EVERY field of science, whether a holy book confirmed this or not. You cant just make evidence go away because it contracts all holybooks, it only shows why the majority of the scientific community doesnt refer to these books to guide them as we search for earth's and the cosmos's history, and it's because the ancients who were responsible for these holybooks didnt have the tools we have today to find truth, rather they offered nothing more than uneducated speculative anecdotes that just keep on turning out to be far from what we keep finding in nature. There are reasons why we no longer take many of cultural myths seriously anymore, and it's because evidence keeps arising that show the ancients were just making up stuff as they went along. Remember, at somepoint the ancients believed in what you dub as myth, and as firvantly as you believe in what was written in your holybook.
I don't know about other muslim but this verse gave me chill
"And your Lord is the Free of need, the possessor of mercy. If He wills, he can do away with you and give succession after you to whomever He wills, just as He produced you from the descendants of another people" al an'am 6 : 33
Even if evolution proves to be wrong in future doesn't mean Qur'an tgeory of creation is true by default . Likewise if atheist people are qrong doesn't mean islamic allah become s truth .
@@sumanshil9371 Yes I know this, and I am an atheist in case you didn't catch that, even a bit anti-theist considering some of my positions toward religion in general. Yes, we atheists could be wrong and there could exist a god or gods that are not just human imagination, but for the same reasons we classify many of the other theological stories and the gods that went along with them, at least I personally find the same mistakes made in the claims and stories made by the abrahamic religions and their holybooks. There's no reason why those aren't just mythology as well as the god or versions of the same god that went along with those stories, it's just that the other myths are generally not believed by people today, but there has always been a time where civilizations did believe those myths and their gods just as our modern day monotheists believe in theirs, and they have to ever shift the goal posts and reinterpret the literal claims in their proprietary holybooks to keep their god and the stories relevant.
I would dare to say, that if atheism is in fact not correct, the true god or gods are not going to be the ones that are depicted in the popular theistic holybooks, I would imagine it would be either older theistic gods that are no longer relevant today, or a deistic god or gods that do not intervene at least with nature or human affairs on earth. As for evolution, NO, evolution will not e overturned, because the facts about nature that it explains away about, are facts that we observe today, it would only be certain more minor details that would change or be overturned. The phenomena we know as gravity is always going to exist in science as well, becuse it is a phenomena that we observe everywhere in the universe, but if anything changes about our scientific theory of gravity, it will be how we perceive it, and that would happen if it does if and/or when we come up with a quantum theory that explains what gravity is and why it draws objects with mass to each other.
@@brucecook502 i agree with you . The religious people use terms like nonbelievers proves that god is just a believe .thats the thing they themselves are validating by saying nonbelievers
@@muhammadjoshua7464 its chapter 6 verse no. 133 not 33,
"Should Muslims believe in evolution"
???. Evolution is an absolute proven fact, imagine a room full of file cabinets, in these cabinets are all the facts about evolution, the name on the door of this room is The Theory of Evolution.
Words have more than one meaning, the word theory used by the public means a guess or hunch, the word Theory used in scientific terms is a summation of all the facts and Laws on the subject
Do you deny the Law of gravity for instance, a lot of religious do, due to believing in flat earth and the firmament etc
It's actually not. In fact there are still huge gaps in it -such as the development of human though-, hence it's the THEORY of Evolution, which, as with everything scientific, is being continuously revised and amended as time goes on. Unlike the Quran, which muslims hold to be never changing as truth typically is. That's the point I believe the brother was making.
Remy there is more evidence for the theory of evolution than there is for gravity
There is zero evidence for a magic golem spell, e.g. Adam being made from clay/mud/dirt
@PARTH Asha Human thought ** meaning if natural selection was the guiding mechanism of evolution, free thought is pointless, it would be stimuli=reaction with no thought in between. Philosophy, art, all the kinks and individuality out there doesn't serve our survival.
To not continue w this thread I'll say this; atheism, evolutionism, and all the isms, all these things have so many fallacies, holes, and contradictory "evidence" that believing in them requires faith, the very thing which they claim to despise. May god guide you to the truth. Have a great life.
@@ebraheema.5554 Evolution is an observable natural phenomenon, it is a fact. "Huge gaps" shows that there are species yet to be found.
Where is the Muslim evidence that MuhamMAD is the prophet of God and not just another cult leader who plagiarised from Judaism and Christianity , which by the way the latter is more likely ?
Muhamed saw could not read or write so he wouldnt know whats is the bible and town quraish he was in was polythéiste every individual and familly had statues to believe in
And second how can a copy of bible be perfect and better than original so assuming it was copy and we take all the good part of those books this theory will fall in water because Mohamed couldnt read nor write
And of course if you read about his life you will know the first verse is iqra which means READ ( iqra also mean gain knowledge muslims when they use this word mean they are studying or reading a book ) and mohmed will answer that he cant several times in the end the angel will recite the qu'ran and muhamed saw will memorize it
And the several scientific
how the pharoah body was found intact the quran predict it and not judaism and christanity even tho they existed before
So we say that islam came to complete the religion
“WE MADE EVERY LIVING THING FROM WATER? WILL THEY NOT BELIEVE?”[21:30
We know now that every living being is made from water but not 1400 years ago
And it is He Who has created ears and eyes and hearts for you; very little is the right you acknowledge. (Qur’an)
Maybe u dont know but in today embryologie they discovered that the ears are the first to form than the eyes and the heart is last to start beating
You know that there are a lot of verse like always with the same order like u can find it in another chapter but still the same order i was really amazed i didnt know this only after i studied embryology of course many other muslims have seen it and u can find a lot of other évidence like the speed of lights and the expansion of the universe
Of course quran is not a book of science but a book of signs if you are looking for the truth with a clear mind than you will find your way and what i found more satisfying than scientifc facts is how this holy book tallk to my soul
Ps: sorry for any mistakes english is not my native language
@anonymous guy Yeah, and its your job as a Muslims to try to challenge my view about your religion, I have formed my opinion based on knowledge of the different monotheistic religions.
@anonymous guy That is an intellectual cop out. As far I am concern, Muslims don't have any proof to their claim that Muhammad was recieving his message directly from God and that he is right to be revered as the prophet of God. I am an atheist and I believe in evolulation and there is plenty of scientific evidence to support. I don't believe that the human species started out in the garden of eden and that Eve was made from the ribs of Adam. Now why don't you try your best and enlighten me as to why I couldn't be more wrong ?.
@@astrophiliathoughts3526 You do know Muhammad didn't write the Quran, right ?. The Quran was compiled by using various sources including written testimonies from Muhammad's companions and direct quotes. Uthmann confiscated every versions of the earlier Quranic ttanslations which in those times was written in many dialects and was therefore liable to being misunderstood by many readers which caused great polemic debates among the Muslims, the Quran that you read today was written in the dialect of Muhammad tribe of quraysh.
He was a very effective charlatan who didn't hesitate using his military capability to forcefully convert polytheists and even followers of monotheistic religions , like Christianity and Judaism. He was a deciever who would behave and commit actions which were seen as morally and culturally peculiar by his followers, but then, he would go into many of his deep trances claiming to be in contact with his god, and then suddenly, on the spot, validating whatever morally questionable conduct he was institutionalising, as some sort of personal wish or gift from his god to him, because his god was forever 'merciful and kind' to him.
And on the subject of his sixty five successful military campaigns carried through out the Arabic regions during his life time, that again also calls into question if he was a truly peaceful messenger of God, the fact he was raiding caravans of travellers, invading unsuspecting tribes and murdering the men and keeping the women as his sex slaves, marrying the prepubescent daughter of his best friend, and hoarding as much as 11 wives, in a figure he claimed wasnt allowed to anybody else because he had the sexual prowess of thirty men. other excuses was that he was marrying these women for 'strategic and diplomatic purposes and also the more laughable excuse that he was doing it in some form of "brotherly" protection, which again begs the question, Why did he forbid these women to marry after his death ?. *Giggle*
I am just so glad that I wasn't born into a Muslim community or the Arabic world, otherwise I would have to blindly believe in and vigorously defend this ridiculous morally-defunct philanderer whose alter-ego was clearly what he called Allah.
Who cares who believes or doesn’t believe!? Evolution is a FACT.
Ed Al Fools are certain while scientists are doubtful.
Finally a person with some sense. Good for you
“and that is your opinion!!” haha now i remember sheldon’s mom
I am not sure why people try to compare Quran with scientific findings when something is in line to scientific facts and say "see Quran also says same thing" while in some cases when science contradicts Quran they either try to fit explanation some how or simply say "Science can change tomorrow". Yes, science can evolve and change but some basics are never gonna change such as "Earth is Round" will never change....Similarly there might be facts that might contradict with Quran. It's not about only Quran but all Vedas, Bible or any other religious books which people might believe that are words of God.... There are hundreds on religions and everyone has their faith and beliefs and we should respect that but I think God has given us brain and we should be happy to raise questions if something seems illogical, or not true....Peace 🤞
You just threw us in the bus of false religions with nooooo hesitation. As if Islam, the Religion of God, the final revelation, meticulously preserved and unchanged revealed upon the illiteral bedouin Allah peace be upon him, did not come with it's miraculous prophecies of the tall towers in arabian peninsula and interest being spread all over, and knowledge in the Quran with regards to embryology and life coming from water did not exist?!?
I wish i could care enough to provide the plethora of truly UNDENIABLE evidences of Islam's truth, but i really dont care. Whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe (Quran:2:6)
This guy says that he knows for a fact that the Quran is God’s word and it’s all truth… nobody knows that for sure, least of all this guy. It’s something that can’t be known.
He then goes on talking about the “static state” theory, which doesn’t even exist because it was called “steady state” (he doesn’t even know what’s it called… wonder how well he knows it…)
He then talks about the Big Bang as a theory about the universe having a beginning… the Big Bang doesn’t actually talk about any beginning… just demonstrates that the observable universe was once much smaller, hotter and denser… that is not necessarily a beginning, it was just a different state in which the universe was. And there was no explosion…
He then says that evolution is not a sure thing… mistake again… evolution is really quite true… there are specifics that are still disputed, but the general principle that life forms evolve and that billions of years ago there were just simple life forms and these evolved gradually to reach the complex biodiversity we see today is more than proven.
Muslims only deny human evolution. Everything else alive is ok.
@@Deee1672 that shows you how illogical they are, given we have more evidence for human evolution than any other species. We have chromosome 2 unequivocally linking us to chimps, not to mention a nearly complete genome sequencing, so many ERVs in common with other apes that can only be explained by common descend, not to mention fossils and biogeography
… and still there are people denying human evolution because a what a 1500 years old book may say…
That's as crazy as asking should Muslims believe in gravity.
The Holy Quran is book of facts and book of signs not a book of theory .
@Vi Ve marriage in reverse order....
Age of Aisha (R.A.) at her death during regin of
caliph Marwan - 67 yrs
Widowhood of Aisha (R.A.) = 40yrs
Hence age of Aisha (R.A.) at death of prophet
Muhammad (pbuh) =(67-40) 27yrs
Number of yrs Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) lived
after hijra = 10yrs
Here, hijra means migration or journey of
prophet Muhammad (pbuh) from makka to
media
Consummation of marriage of Aisha (R.A.) with
prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in 2nd yrs of hijra
Total married life of Aisha (R.A.) = (10-2) 8yrs
Therefore, age of Aisha (R.A) at her marriage =
(27-8) 19 yrs.
So get your knowledge tested!! and for your kind info there is a crack on the moon....how can the prophet predict or tell when he hadn't traveled to moon?
@Vi Ve marriage in reverse order....
Age of Aisha (R.A.) at her death during regin of
caliph Marwan - 67 yrs
Widowhood of Aisha (R.A.) = 40yrs
Hence age of Aisha (R.A.) at death of prophet
Muhammad (pbuh) =(67-40) 27yrs
Number of yrs Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) lived
after hijra = 10yrs
Here, hijra means migration or journey of
prophet Muhammad (pbuh) from makka to
media
Consummation of marriage of Aisha (R.A.) with
prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in 2nd yrs of hijra
Total married life of Aisha (R.A.) = (10-2) 8yrs
Therefore, age of Aisha (R.A) at her marriage =
(27-8) 19 yrs.
So get your knowledge tested!! and for your kind info there is a crack on the moon....how can the prophet predict or tell when he hadn't traveled to moon?
Vi Ve If we want to look at it objectively then biologically and anthropologically it was normal and ‘natural’ what he SAW did. Also the moon splitting is still more more likely (statistically) to happen than a pre-galactic rainbow explosion that occurred from theoretical particles that pop into and out of existence.
Subjectively, I believe god exists because I don’t believe a unicorn farted out the universe. Those being my two options I’d choose the former.
For the sake of argument I assumed you approached this from a secular standpoint, If you follow a certain faith I’d gladly address the situation from a different angle.
Peace
@Vi Ve it is a mojiza of hazrat mohammed saw and a mojiza is a super natural thing
@Vi Ve see we do not believe in every hadith...hadith was written by the sahaba the companions of prophet....hashem was the one who wrote this hadith....he was a Jew for ur kind info.. Thats why we do not accept this hadith....and also ur laughing so much why isn't there 50,000 mistakes in bible?😂😂 time for me to laugh...cracked brain its you....not the Muslims...when god clearly says a human cannot be having qualities of god!!
2:54 you can't say that they believed that with certainty, the whole basis of science is nothing is 'proven' and every theory can be wrong or proven wrong. Any scientist that is 100% certain of their theory and it doesn't allow room for it to be debunked isn't being scientific
The "theory" of evolution relates to the explanation and that will undoubtedly be revised with time. The fact of evolution remains the same - humans are subject to the same process of genetic mutations that drives evolution in observable environments.
so what your saying is you agree we observe what darwinian evolution theory predicts we should but in the future we might get an EVEN better theory that predicts more?
don't be silly. evolution isn't going to be debunked. there's tonnes of evidence for evolution and exactly 0 evdidence that the quran is from god.
@@JackSparrow-ii5gt evoultion has not been proven to exist to begin with. What are you even on about? The missing link , lack of obeservable example in the lab or outside, the fine tuning and intelligently designed animals and plants all contradict the basic concept of evolution. So evolution is not a fact but scientist are working on different aspects of it. You need to get informed even evolutionary scientists know these major issues
@@izzomoses7994 what a load of crap.
the whole point of evolution is that it contradicts the religious suggestion that plants and animals are intelligently designed. it proves you don't need a creator to have intelligent design.
I was disappointed with this video as the topic was not addressed. The only point I came away with is that as Muslims we're to accept the Quran as always correct, even if it contradicts what science has uncovered. I expected either exploration of some scientific concepts or excerpts from the Quran, hadith or some learned opinion from a scholar of Islam. I got little to none of these.
you won't, KORAN is not a book of science, so stop approaching it that way.
Quran*@@arslaanmania1309
Please please someone who could answer me this, I am a Muslim who is true believer of Islam, I have a simple question, I can’t deny that my mind scrambled about science theories, I just want to understand in a simple and a very basic way of understanding, there’s a lot of Homo Habilis, Neanderthals or etc, dated way back 40,000 years ago or more than that,, and I believe, truly believe that we’re came only from Prophet Adam A.S every one of us in this world I believe that we has strand of DNA came Prophet Adam A.S, my question is, these bones of Homo Habilis, Erectus and Neanderthals, who are they, what are these bones? They are same from us, are they in the different line of spicie who are most like us.. ?
You are one of the most open-minded people I’ve ever seen. I haven’t said this to anyone, I am proud of you my brother.
@@shinobiexmuslimatheistapis5867 lol then why was there an Age of Enlightenment during the golden era of Muslims?
@@ringgame why are you now in the dark ages, denying science?
@@jesan733 who’s denying science? Us or your army or alphabets (lgbtq+)?
@@ringgame you are. You're denying evolution and common origin. This "army" of lgbtq+ is irrelevant to the question: Why are you now in the dark ages, denying science?
@@jesan733 your evolution is still a theory. Our origin is Adam not some monkeys or lizard amphibians
The only dark thing about this age is the desire and pleasure driven hypocrites whom deny both science and religion and glorify Satan and immortality.
As an agnostic I can agree on certain arguments that you have made. However, you say that the Quran is the true word of God, but what do you say to Christians or Jews who BELIEVE that the Bible or the Torah is the true word of God.
Also to the people who say that Evolution is just a theory. If Evolution was titled an hypothesis, then sure have your doubts about it . However, since is called a theory and not an hypothesis, that means that it has an overwhelming amount of scientific data and evidence to support it. It means that it has been reviewed by scientific peers. Anyone who disagrees with Evolution, I encourage you to look at Neanderthal skulls or Homo Habilis skulls or even all of the other species that had a common ancestor with apes. These bones are self evident that they’re are an intermediate species.
Homology is defined by the structure of species based upon by their common ancestor. I’m not sure how you could interpret almost identical DNA of apes to humans or the almost identical anatomy of bones. However I do agree with you that the Bible does contradict itself. Many things are different compared to other bibles. However the Quran was written after the Bible and the Torah. The text within it are based upon the myths of the Bible and the Torah. And the text within the Bible and Torah are stories that originated from Mesopotamian mythology.
Plus I never said the Bible was written by Jesus.
And correct me if I’m wrong, but I assume you don’t believe evolution is an objective truth. If that is true what would be a piece of evidence that would alter your mindset about this topic. 🤔
I agree, you cannot make an observation and claim it as true if the theory you base it upon hasn’t been validated. However how do you propose that a theory (Evolution) can be validated. If comparative anatomy, DNA research, fossil research, embryonic research, isn’t good enough to show evidence that validates a theory what can.
About the interpretations that evolutionists label arbitrary. What interpretations are they?
I’m not going to say that Islam is wrong however, I do not understand how one person could be Christian merely based on a belief, or how someone could be Jewish based on a belief or a Muslim person based on a belief.
Also about the a=b thing. I would interpret that B,C,D etc. would all support A
In your opinion, what is one scientific discovery that would confirm evolution.
How is it easy to say God exists. How would you know. If people of a certain faith started to actually try to disprove other faiths/religion what would be a discovery that leads to believe that their religion is true.
I still am not understanding what scientific discovery. That in this conversation we label c is contradicting Evolution.
Why is that most people of religion will use science to their benefit, but the moment that it contradicts their belief they deem it as wrong.
Rener Oslo, it has been a pleasure speaking with you. I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree. If that’s ok. 🙃
Believe!!?? 😂😂😂 it doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not... No matter how much times I do genetic testing or archeological research... The conclusion will always points towards evolution and not any muddy man with women made from his rib bone😂😂😂😂
@Al Mudarabah dude I am a Biotechnologist and i don't need to learn about evolutionary biology by any TH-cam channel spreading dogmatic religion!
@Al Mudarabah it will be better if you provide any evidence related to Adam and eve
Muddy man? Looks like you don’t even understand evolution.
- “Allah ˹alone˺ caused you to grow from the earth like a plant.” (Quran 71:17)
- “Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were one joined-entity, then We parted them? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?” (Quran 21:30)
@@Fundamental_Islam. dude!!! How was adam made?
@@cbf_imran we don’t know! All we know is that we are made of water and elements from the soil. we can only speculate. May be at some point there was a mutation that produced the first modern homo sepian
1:19 Just there you make your first mistake, or assumption : pretending that Quran is absolute "truth" over science although you concurred earlier many will find it debatable. You cannot begin your argumentative without stating a hypothesis. Now your just stating something as absolute truth whose veracity shall not be challenged and building your rhetoric in consequence. Furthermore, it's not because Islam has remained the same for the most part that it's immuable, and thus absolute truth, it's just because people who practiced it decided not to change - for many reasons other than scientific observations.
But then again, my words won't reach you if I don't go straight to point: let's just admit it, the Quran isn't to be taken literally in every aspects. Many stories in it are metaphors of the human condition and not true events. There wasn't an Adam and Eve that started it all. The Earth is four bilion years old, and homosapiens are the products of the everlasting evolution that came from it. It would be short-circuiting your understanding to God to accept false propositions made by men thousands of years ago who simply didn't have access to the knowledge we have today.
Hi William! Im a muslim, but I also love science, I'd love to have a conversation with you on another platform if possible, i just wanna learn more about your perspective! Thank you!!
you want to prove that quran is not from Allah ?!!! easy .... !!
PRODUCE A CHAPTER LIKE IN THE QURAN.
caution : for 1400 years everyone failed this challenge. but you can try lol
Why try to remake a fiction?
Without remake quran the technologi still Going on
JR S full of miracles? The miracles in the Quran are the unique arabic eloquence by itself, the scientific biological facts, mathematical consistency and undiscovered historical moments. You must read the Quran from the beginning to the end if you want to write the Quran and believe me, you can’t imitate the uniqueness of the arabic in it so its already checkmate against you.
@Kuffar Legion by imitating the Qur'an you acknowledge its superiority and lose the challenge.
Try again.
But guys.....you all know that there are errors in the Quran? Right?
Interesting how every religion is so certain it is the right one.
Agreed, also interesting that atheists are so certain none are the right one.
Islam is the last religion by God
Whether people accept this or not 😇
Islam is the logical next step after christianity, just as the christianity was the logical next step after judaism
@@TheJwaad atheists aren't certain. It's a position that unless you can show evidence it's better to not believe just like you don't believe in werewolves, pixies, loch ness monster, unicorns, Thor, Heimdall & Valkyries.
What's interesting is that religious people are so sure theirs is the right religion when fact of the matter is that if they were born in a different part of the world they'd totally think the religion there is the legitimate one 🤷🏽♂️
How?
@Muhammad Al-Shehri No, you're wrong . Actually Sikhism is the last religion not Islam , see Sikhism date
"We know that the quran is absolutely true", no you don't.
that is the belief.
@@bobbyologun1517 you can not proof Quran is not from God
Many people try to proof Quran is not from God
Then they became muslims 😇😇😂
@@xmuhmd I was trying to prove that Quran in the word of god, and I ended up leaving it
سليمان If I was you, I would have thought twice.. and not take quick conclusions based upon my limited knowledge at a certain time..
Dear sulayman, read, ponder, think a lot more and then ask yourself why u left ..
I see it's time wasting thinking about God of he doesn't exist
The big problem here, as always, is that he is starting with the assumption that the Quran is correct. In science, we question everything and change our theories according to our observations. In religion, you start with an assumption, and refuse to change your belief based on observations.
@Abdullah Ibn hassan yeah my heart is blind, it doesn't have the ability to see, neither does yours. Also, Muhammad didn't split the moon in two. Can you see (or can you heart see) the other piece of the moon? I can't...
@@nubbo1763 yes we don't know what resides before the Bing Bang, and you won't get a reputable scientist that says 'it's probably this because I have a feeling". I also don't think you'll find a reputable scientist that will say it couldn't possibly be supernatural. However, as of yet, there is no good evidence for it. Because we have absolutely no clue, one shouldn't make assumptions.
Your understanding of my stance doesn't even make sense. I don't think 'science' is right. How can our study of the natural world be right on before Big Bang when no conclusion has been drawn? I have an open mind. I am an agnostic atheist. I believe there is not enough evidence to prove or disprove a creator. However, based on religious scripture, I'd argue the creator is not what they describe (if there is one). So, no, that's absolutely not my argument.
@Abdullah Ibn hassan go for it
@Abdullah Ibn hassan bro I'm at work , I will answer whatever you've written, I just need time
@Abdullah Ibn hassan please can you phrase the questions more clearly :) I'm not entirely sure on which parts are the questions. Do you want me to read about those topics or are you asking something specific?
Dear brothers in lslam please please translate these intelligent discussions specifically brother Saboor, one of the best... Please translate in the beautiful Arabic language...appreciate these amazing Muslims which have taken Islam as thier responsibility.. MashaAllah,,, O" Allah by your grace and power increase thier knowledge and bless them in your way..
I’ll suggest that you check Dr. Eyad’s series called: "رحلة اليقين"
Sounded stupid in English already
The earth may presently have up to ten million species, yet more than 90% of species that have ever lived on the earth are now extinct. Once again, the creationist doctrines fail to satisfactorily address why a divine creator will firstly bother to create millions of species and then allow them to perish. The Darwinian explanation for extinct life is once again simple, elegant and at once convincing-organisms go extinct as a function of environmental or biological assaults for which their inheritance deems them ill-equipped.Therefore, the so-called Darwinian theory of evolution is not a theory at all. Evolution happens-this is a fact. The mechanism of evolution (Darwin proposed natural selection) is amply supported by scientific data. Indeed, to date no single zoological, botanical, geological, paleontological, genetic or physical evidence has refuted either of the central two main Darwinian ideas. If religion is not taken into consideration.Darwinian laws are acceptable just like laws proppsed by Copernicus , Newtow, Einstein etc- sets of natural laws that explain natural phenomena in the universe.
@@winstongrettum3412 u have balls to comment on a Muslim channel 💀
gamma waves from de past space proofs that the universe has a beginning
Also cosmic background radiation
Wrong. The reason why scientists say the universe may be eternal is because the energy was already there and may have always existed in some state. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the big bang describes the origins of the universe, it only deals with the expansion of the universe and the change of energy states from a hot dense state to a cooler and sparse state.
@@chimpanzeethat3802 the first person that i see and contradict scientists confirme theory of the big bang lol , the Universe is imposible to be eternal since he didnt existed before the big bang , and you need to know better what scientists call Big bangs Egg , where energy and mass whas present due to the hight presure that was implied on them , now , its obvious that the universe is clearly not eternal , now you have to provide a proof that energy existed before big bang , and from where comes that energy, and what originated that energy
@@chimpanzeethat3802 resumed , its a fact that the universe is expanding , so he needs to have a begin , because if is static and eternal as you said why the distance between the galaxies is increasing and decreasing , you need to understand the basis of the phisics and dont play smart
No, it's just that you don't know what the big bang theory entails.
It's a common misconception but it doesn't actually address the origins of the universe. It doesn't address the origins of space, matter or time either.
It explains the expansion of the universe from a position of all fundamental particles being condensed into a tiny little hot dense state ready to rapidly expand into a cooler and sparse state. That's literally all it describes.
The energy required was already there before the actual expansion. No one knows yet where the energy came from but if the 1st Law of Thermodynamics is anything to go by it means that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can only be transferred from one state to another, it is probable that the energy was always there in some state.
It's also because time slows down in states of super massive gravity and during the initial stages of the Big Bang that is so much super massive gravity that one second can equal infinity. Combine this with the fact that even empty space still contains energy, both positive and negative, you are talking about the possibilities of infinite time scales.
Hence the reason why most cosmologists believe the universe is eternal and had no beginning.
"Science can always change its conclusions". Because human knowledge is ever evolving. Bu religion can never change, without collapse, because it claims to have the only truth, the eternal truth, and this, as a human invention, is quite simply impossible.
@@mrkashka0 you have no idea what you are talking about.
@@mrkashka0 Creatures don't evolve, population systems do. If create an environment the size of Dubai with 100 cheetas and then airdrop into this environment 50,000 goats, and you seal up that environment up for 500 years, if your ratio of pray to predator is stable, you will return 500 years later to see MORE THAN 2 different species of animal, none of which may be the ones you started off with. The heard of goats will be pruned daily by the cheetas, with the more agile, faster goats, surviving more chases, and goats that vocalize warnings between themselves if they spot predators and then hide may stall predators and live to see another day. If herds of the fastest goats reproduce, and herds of vocalizing + hiding goats reproduce, after 500 years of natural selection (30 generations), the herd of quick goats will be anatomically very different from the vocalizing+hiding goats. Much in the same way that 30 generations of selective breeding of a mutt can lead to grayhound proportions or mastiff proportions from the same common ancestors. Eventually genetic drift becomes so high that 2 divergent population systems from the same initial herd can no longer reproduce. This is how evolution and the diversity of species is explained through evolution. Evolution is not gorilla gives birth to chimp which gives birth to human. To say this is to fundamentally misunderstand the very thing that you criticize.
@@mrkashka0 Yes, considering the evidence.
lukahead6 Nice way of putting it. But still, where did all this universe come from? There surely has to be a divine creator because nothing comes from nothing.
@@KM-mr5xp my question is... How are we sure that we understand the religion? That our interpretations of the holy books is right?
For all the atheists here in the comment section, I really don’t want your place in your grave and the day of judgement..
There is no day of judgement. Stop spreading your delusional and deluded notions about the world and alleged afterlife, and especially stop acting as you know the truth. In fact, if Islam were the truth, why are the world leading scientist, philosophers, inventors etc. non-Muslim? (your name is Talhaoui, you are Muslim from the Maghreb). What about all those peope who safe millions of lives on earth or who contributed significantly to the development of technology, medicine, and so forth? Barely anyone of these are/were Muslim.
Theodore J. Rubinstein bro all of the base of sciences were done by Muslims. If you read the Islamic history, you will realize that during the caliphate many scientific research were conducted.
Theodore J. Rubinstein on top of that your theory of evolution isn’t complete yet, strengthening furthermore that we should not rely on that.
Is that the day the most merciful of those that show mercy will start eternally punishing us? For the harmless crime of not believing in a god we had no evidence for?
Theodore J. Rubinstein yeah that’s why all the prophets came to us to warn us for that day.. being killed because ignorant people like you don’t believe it till you see it, but I guess it will be late..
Except the Big Bang does not say the universe has a beginning. The bing bang model says space began to expand from a single point but please continue with your post hoc rationale
False all the universe was in a point
Science doesn’t care what you believe.
Science is NOT a subject to care or NOT to care.
YOU don't care, it is your right.
I DO.
Even God does not care what you believe and you said there is no proof of God
And yet God said
Here is (Quran - God words)
You have any excuses 😇
@@xmuhmd I have one question. You are a muslim right? Please don't get offended but prophet Muhammad was illiterate. He couldn't read and right. So the Quran wasn't written by Muhammad himself. Then how do you know that quran is the word of Muhammad. How do you know that every word in quran was spoken by Muhammad.
And god is mentioned in quran but how do you know quran is truth. No other historians have written that Muhammad is the prophet of god sent by god himself.
Anyone whose assumptions based on priori can not be taken seriously
He didn't answer the question. lol
Navy Blue
Why its word of God?
Because God knows how he created the Universe
And he wrote in the Quran he created Universe like the scientists say today... Big bang...
1400 years ago...
Theres everything from embryology to quantum physics in te Quran... and all written with 100% perfection... try search ThereIsNoClash here on youtube its actually very interesting bro
Navy Blue ask yourself... would there be evolution without science?
Navy Blue remember... starting a fire is science... no animal Can do it without the given knowledge
Navy Blue my point... to your question... yes muslims believe in evolution
So basically he is saying when we are comparing the Quran and Science we see that the science in the Quran is always been true, while science has changing models, so if there is doubt we refer to the Quran for the true definite science.
For example, he gave the example of the state of the universe, in the Quran it says (paraphrasing) "we are the expander of the universe" while 70 years ago they believed that the universe was eternal and static. Then in the future that changed due to discovery and we got the big bang theory that is the Quranic stance. That is why we call the Quran true, so in the case of evolution we don't call it true, because we believe that #1 there's alot of models to evolution and number #2 it's a theory, so we refer to what the Quran says.
There are more examples of Quranic definite science but case in point.
But Quran also says "We created life from water".
It could be explained , that the beginning of creation was from water aka fish?
@@orange8216 there's no manipulation in it.
The point that he made about the Soviet scientist not wanting to accept the universe not being eternal because it would give rise to religious thought is an example of how scientists are not free from bias & societal influence
0:17 interesting how the question was “Evolution: do we believe in it as Muslims?” instead of “Evolution: is it true?”
we believe the truth btw
Mohammed Mohammed, cool, so just to check, suppose something in the Quran wasn’t true, would you stop believing in that thing?
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe if something in the quran is not true that would make the whole quran not true in entirety so if there was something unture nobody would believe in the quran
Mohammed Mohammed, I’m only asking about you though, whether you would stop believing in that one thing (if we suppose it wasn’t true)?
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe 2 things first the quran is in whole what i mean by that is if 1 thing is untrue that means none of it is true so i wouldent just stop believing in 1 thing the quran is a whole , ur presupposing a squared circle ie impossibility idk whats the point of thinking about impossibilities
My man, islam/Quran changes with every new discovery in science smh, if Allah/God were given a choice between his book or science he would've chose science.
You’re ignorant.
Would've chose? Good one dirtneck.
this level of mental gymnastics is at least Olympic standard
@Planck M.We can disagree on a philosophical basis, but to call an atheist immoral is the same as me calling you a moron.
care to elaborate?
@@MiguelLopez-sk1pf he never said they are immoral, what he said was that their morals are just subjective conjuncture, which is true. A moral atheist can exist, but moral atheism? Not so much
@@DarkCrusade Everyone's morality is subjective.
Why these people synchronize quran with science.. And to be frank in my case this made me a ex-muslim.. Some educated people linking science with quran... And its too rubbish..
salaam, ex christian here, I believe we can educate all religions to hell
because that is where religions belong, religions are for frightened and ignorant people
educated people do not NEED religions, happy people don´t need them either
Because there a lot of scientific facts found in the Quran.
@@rufiredup90 there is not one scientific fact in the quran
your claim is as stupid as claiming there are video´s and pictures in the quran
why on earth did you make that false claim???? To scare people with your sheer stupidity?
This guy NEVER gives a clear answer about evolution. If you yourself aren't sure, why are you increasing the confusion
I completely get that science is always being revised, so in that sense you can't have 100% complete certainty in it. But how can you have 100% certainty in the Quran? Just because the Quran isn't being changed doesn't mean it's 100% correct, surely?
Yes , main reason for Quran to be correct is that it is world of God i.e ALLAH
@@purposeoflife47 yes flying donkeys are real
@@praveenrai2846 i dont know which is the thing that you are calling flying donkeys?
There is no proof that the Quran is from God.
The Prophet could not provide evidence when he was asked to do so, other than giving a subjective test of construct and eloquence which is highly debatable (because books are scattered all over and verses are omitted according to Hadiths).
Also, one thing Muslims can't wiggle out of is the production of sperm, according to Quran, it originates from the backbone and the ribs as opposed to what we know today, from the man's testicles.
This one error invalidates the Quran as proves it is not from God. God is all knowing.
@@purposeoflife47 How are you sure that it is the word of Allah?
This is what is known as mental acrobatics. When you hold a belief, and are willing to distort everything around you, just to fit that narrative. Rather than interrogate your narrative to see if it fits the real and hence becomes the rational. I have no animosity towards Islam or religion as far as a person is willing to believe. But it's the dogmatic religious mind which baffles me.
Totally agreeing to you.. Make more sense..
You should actually look into the proofs of the quran being the book of God. Then you will understand the message and arguments
Last I checked, Darwinism is a theory
The best answer to this video is something that Sam harris says.
Name one thing for which we once had a scientific answer and now it's been proved wrong by religion. You can't. Now, think of the things for which we once had religious answers but now are proved wrong by science. You already have a lot of things in mind.
Sheraz Ahmad : where does science contradict the Quran? Spending too much time looking in the mirror doesn’t make you an expert about the Quran,pleasant dreams.
@@tomorrowmaynevercome3171 Whattttt?????
@@tomorrowmaynevercome3171 There is barely any information in the Quran. It's just a repetitive collection of statements about the "greatness of God" and the "separation of Muslims and alleged non-believers".
The creation of mankind. That's an example of a false claim in the holy books.
Theodore J. Rubinstein : you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Rayan : the flood was local .
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL25-37
And the people of Noah - when they denied the messengers, We drowned them, and We made them for mankind a sign. And We have prepared for the wrongdoers a painful punishment.
Out of clay from an altered black mud. A biogenesis is a non living matter that underwent transformation under certain conditions = altered.
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL015-026
And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud.
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL025-028
And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud.
So wait, if there's a contradiction and because Science can be wrong, you're gonna default to Qur'an?
Your "Swan" analogy was nice but you're missing a key point in that analogy, Scientists never claim anything with absolute certainty.
So, in this hypothetical world, the Scientist are more like to come up with the conclusion that "Swans are white in color to our best knowledge". And if they were to find a black Swan, their previous statement wouldn't now be considered wrong. It'll just add more to their attributes about Swans.
And just so, if we were to every find new evidence on Evolution, it would add MORE to the theory than completely cancel it.
Because the evidences we have so far are not just crums on the table. There's an abundance of evidence on Evolution and that all life on Earth are related. It's undeniable.
The chances that we'll come up with an evidence that completely changes our perception 180 degree on evolution are highly unlikely.
The same as Gravity or the Earth is a sphere.
Unless an evidence surfaces such as that it was all a hoax from the Devil or something, which c'mon now. I'm not even gonna entertain that idea.
Asian Charles Darwin lookalike right here
@Benjamin Park by asian the guy might've meant nationality. But even that u cant assume. Or he mightve meant asian as in chinese or japanese. Anyways its odd.
He is not Darwin, show some respect, being it is not 'uncool' to be respectful!
@SOME PEOPLE ARE NIGHTMARES people from Asia are referred to as Asian by everyone on earth but the USA.
@SOME PEOPLE ARE NIGHTMARES By most people you mean those in the USA NOT the rest of the world. People in the UK refer to people from Asian descent as Asians, as do most European nations.
1) you are saying that the quran is the word of god, assuming that god exist, for me that is the 1st problem
Didn't answer the question of whether Muslims should believe in Evolution or not.
Ok watch his video with Mohammed Hijab it's called "Academic problems with darwanian evolution"
If we keep evolving we won't be human beings
Not allowed. They fight it all. To the point of ignorance…
Evolution is a fact
@@AllahHuAkbar-r8rand if you go back we weren’t what’s your point
@@lucascreediv1283 this debunks evolution
The host of the channel Miss is very immature he doesn’t know what he’s doing there. The guest is very knowledgeable he’s aware of what he’s saying he should’ve had someone more serious with him to be having a powerful conversation like this.
Same thought. And he is stupid and he is trying to look handsome, making teenagers' faces and postures.
It's called humor
He's appealing to a younger audience you boomers
@@معراج-ل4ب exactly. So kids and teenagers remain interested
He is very mature, this is the only video he was criticized in, how are you jumping to conclusions like that, look at his previous videos, a very nice brother, both of them are amazing
What would happen today if someone said they seen angels and had a voice in there head? But nobody else seen angels or heard the voice?
Having a hard time understanding your core message
@@barrak2k059 He's referring to prophet mohammed ....angel jibreel used to bring message of god from allah to our prophet but nobody saw jibreel except prophet ....so basically he means to say that if today someone claims that he's hearing voices in his head and the voice is telling him to do certain things ......so should people believe him just like it happened in prophets time .
@@Aman-wt9iv depends on the person, reason I believe the prophet Mohammed peace be upon him is because he was the most trust worth of his time even known as “sadik al ameen” which roughly means truth speaker and secret keeper. You could literally give the prophet a diamond necklace and he will keep it safe with him until you need it.
And in Islam its stated prophet Mohamed is the last prophet from Allah so why would I believe someone else
@Remy 😂🤣😂🤣
@@barrak2k059 😂🤣😂🤣
He didn't answer the question lol. Argh how long will you reject science religious people??
God bless you suboor Ahmad, love u from kashmir,
I'm also from kashmir 🙂
Same im from kashmir too
hail satan!
@@accountlol7409 no
@@quokka_yt oh okay that works too,I thought people would get all angry
Science is not something to believe, you need to understand it 😂
He should debate with Richard Dawkins for better understanding on evolution 😅😂
Richard dawkins wouldnt debate Hamza Tzortis. Lol
Dawkins was a joke
Dawkins is bottom of the barrel when it comes to science.
@@kalijasin Bottom of the barrel in bullshido
Richard Dawkins should debate with him for better understanding on humility.
1:19 how do you know its the truth..? I'll wait..
I was baffled by how they goes straight passed Quran saying "oh we know Quran is the absolute truth" and started scrutinizing scientific methodology, and your understanding of science is very weak sir, not even close, after watching 500 ducks from 500 corners of the world let alone a mathematician or physicist, a biologist wouldn't even conclude that.
You can't proof Quran is not from God
Many ex-atheist became muslims
After trying to proof Quran is not from God
Just Read Quran and 70% you will be a muslim 😇
Anuosha Irfan What is the proof for the Quran? Why does this proof outweigh the proof of macroevolution and other religions? Genuinely curious on your answer
In this particular context, he's talking to Muslims listening to the Podcast.
He isn't trying to convince Non-Muslims that Islam is correct. He does that in other videos
Scientists overwhelmingly agree that humans evolved over time, and most Americans are aware that this is the case. Among scientists connected to the American Association for the Advancement of Science, 98% say they believe humans evolved over time.
I don't think that it's the right way to approach a theory, like it's said in the title that should you, as a Muslim, believe in evolution. You shouldn't have any preconceptions or baggage when you study something. Just look at the evidence, follow the logic and reasoning and then make a rational decision whether you accept the theory or not. If after looking at all the evidence and reasoning you think that the theory is not convincing enough, you can choose to not believe in it. But I don't think it's right to come to a topic with your mind already made up that if you wanna believe in it or not, without looking at any evidence or reasoning.
our evidence is Quran with rational and justifiable reasons.
Science is not rigid, "evidence" and "fact" is changing
@@OnePunchSaga Idk what kinda science you’re talking about, but the science as I know it is very much rigid. (Talking about the things already known here, like if there is already a theory in science known to be true, it’s not going to change, only things can be added to it.) It’s flexible in sense where you can make modifications to it and make it more refined, but theories like Gravity and Evolution are not going anywhere.
@@swastiksingh5225 Well! there are so many instances science keeps on changing because its just an observation based on "what you see", in this video itself says scientist believed earth is eternal but alas that's not the case defined by scientist themselves. There are so many changes happening, the only thing that is rigid is Islam.
Also look into other debates and see why there are so many problems with Darwin;s evolution, critically analyse it the way you analyse religion.
@@OnePunchSaga If you may would you please provide me one of those instances where an established theory, which was published in a peer reviewed journal and recognised by other scientists, which was then later then changed.
The thing which you’re talking about is not related to science. Science was not even established as a discipline when people used to believe the earth was eternal. It was just self proclaimed philosophers who used to believe such things, mostly because of their religious beliefs. Science is what brought those people to the truth.
Your point on evolution is also invalid as those debates have not brought forth anything fruitful and are just pointless debates, mostly religious people trying to deny an established scientific theory. As such inside the scientific community, there’s a consensus that the evolutionary theory is correct.
And as I said earlier, science is flexible, but only as far as in it’s scope to expand and more refinement. It’s not flexible in sense that you can change already established scientific theories.
"The thing which you’re talking about is not related to science. Science was not even established as a discipline when people used to believe the earth was eternal. It was just self proclaimed philosophers who used to believe such things, mostly because of their religious beliefs. Science is what brought those people to the truth." - Yes, it was philosophers, but in this video Subhoor mentioned that scientist agreed to it only 60 years ago, please watch it before commenting so many times. We don't have people who are going against scientist theory, why? because its not something that earns money, if you are a scientist, IT guy you can earn lots of money quickly not historians and philosophers. if you do your own research you will find, dogmas and flaws even with noble price nominee scientist.
If you have been to oxford.
"Your point on evolution is also invalid as those debates have not brought forth anything fruitful and are just pointless debates, mostly religious people trying to deny an established scientific theory. As such inside the scientific community, there’s a consensus that the evolutionary theory is correct." - its a SCIENTIST DOGMA, why should i belief is their ifs and buts and assumptions, the theory is based on assumptions and observation which in the assumption might fit perfectly but again its a dogma.
religious (at least muslims) people believe in logic and rationality not in dogma.
Also not to give you strawman argument but no scientist can answer about infinite regression fallacy, literally no one, which is basic human logic. So darwin theory proves nothing in compare to infinite regression fallacy. Do you believe in this fallacy?
last point again: critically analyse darwin theory
How do you know that quran is absolutely true? blunt statement
Can you prove it wrong?
@@whereismyhouse6985 Its stupid to believe in anything that doesn't exist. Alot of things written in that book are utter nonsense.
@@whereismyhouse6985 Yes it’s been proven wrong
@@SahityaReddyIam what are those non sensical statements?
@@SPZ909 give evidence sir
1. He starts with the assumption that the Quran is the word of god and that the Quran cannot be false. What evidence proves that the Quran is the word of god and that and cannot be false on some of its assertions?
2. The big bang is not the beginning of the universe. It is the beginning of the expanding universe as it is today. You cannot rule out that the universe is eternal just because scientists claim to know the universe was once condensed, but now its expanding. He asserts that the big bang theory corrected a prior contradiction between the world and the word where the universe is now known to have a beginning. We still know nothing of the eternal state of the universe just how it began to expand.
3. He never really provided a compelling argument for why Muslims should or shouldn't believe in evolution he more so just pointed out that the theory of evolution can change like any other scientific concept.
The quran is the word of God. There are many evidence to prove this but that is not the question of this discussion. The question is 'Should Muslims believe in evolution?'. The answer he gave is, in academia evolution is not a fact and that there are disagrements by experts so why should a lay muslim consider evolution to be fact or not. The point about the big bang is not scientific argument for begining of the universe but rather uncertainy of science.
@@MohamedAhmed-ni3im you think the creator of the universe decided to write a book on our planet? Lucky us.
It's more likely we wrote it ourselves and have just been claiming some creator wrote it instead. Keep saying something enough times and you'll believe it's true.
@@chessandmathguy You basically gave zero evidence for why it's more likely or less likely. Please keep your opinion unless you have evidence to show us. Same back at you, keep saying something enough times and you'll believe it's true.
Can you prove that the Qur'an is false and not the word of God? No, you can't, so sit down. You're dismissed.
They whole thing is biased surley. It's easy for you to say the Qur'an and Allah is Absolute and true and we can't get certain knowledge from science. But of course you being a Muslim would say the Qur'an is absolute and true.
Evolution you can physically see through fossils etc. But how can you prove the Qur'an and thus Allah are absolute and true
Does anyone ever actually challenge the nonsense that comes out of their mouth or just blindly follow it?
Shut up what is your refutation
Watch Ahmed didat
@@saniyashoukat3936 another apologetic oh dear! a weak minded insecure woman nothing surprising there!😁😄😄😄
@@mohammedjamil2277 Are you an another boring ex-musIim?
as a Muslim, i find the eternal universe argument that subboor and hijab put forth to be lame.
The Big Bang doesnt not mean that the universe had a beginning, just that it started rapidly expanding. It does not say anything about how it came to be. For all we know the universe might be expanding and retracting in certain intervals and this expansion is the big bang.
The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model explaining the existence of the observable universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution.
-copy pasted
Nope,If you research on big-bang then you will find that This had a beginning,great scientist have confirmed.
Using tools made by science to speak against science
Tshepo Kgwele they didnt speak against science, they said science goes 1 by 1 with the quran, watch the whole video next time before putting a biased comment
How is quran gods word..? It's just mohammad words.. 😂😂 no logic in his explanation.
Wow Muhammad was ahead of his time in that case for knowing all this;
- “Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were one joined-entity, then We parted them? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?” (Quran 21:30)
- “We built the universe with might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺.” (Quran 51:47)
- “Allah ˹alone˺ caused you to grow from the earth like a plant.” (Quran 71:17)
- And We have placed firm mountains upon the earth so it does not shake with them, and made in it broad pathways so they may find their way. And We have made the sky a well-protected canopy, still they turn away from its signs. And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.” (Quran 21:31-33)
"One of the signs of Doomsday is the rivalry of bare-footed, poor shepherds (Arabs) in constructing high buildings and boasting about it.” (Bukhari 50)
"The Hour will not be established until you fight the Turks, who have small eyes, red faces, and flat noses. Their faces look like hammered shields. Again, the Hour will not be established until you fight people wearing shoes made of hair." Bukhari 2928
(Siege of Baghdad (1258))
Umar said: who has heard mention from the Prophet describing a tribulation like the *waves of the ocean*? Hudhaifa said: I heard the Messenger of Allah saying “Temptations will be presented to the hearts of people like a reed mat woven stick by stick and any heart afflicted by them will have a black mark put into it, but any heart that rejects them will have a white mark put into it.” (sahih Muslim 144) 📺📱
@@Fundamental_Islam. Oh yeah man, great evidence there for the Qu'ran being the word of god... lol.
Science is a branch of knowledge which is constantly learning and growing while Quran is a book of signs not science and is eternal word of Allah which will stay forever. In last 100 years science has improved a little to understand what Allah already said in Quran.There were people in the past who could determine their destiny and were overturned by Allah, modern science is no way near to that knowledge. Quran told about gravity 1400 yrs ago. A scientist with latest knowledge about embryology after reading Quran will side with Quran a few years back they didn't know anything about it.
Where did the Quran implied existence of Gravity ?
@God of Gaps give us one we’re listening and make sure it’s from the Quran not some random website… u won’t be able to. There’s no inconsistencies in Quran and it contains scientific knowledge which was impossible to know at that time. Divine revelation
He lost me at the 1st minute when he said Quran is better evidence than science. Lol.. A book written by an illiterate Arab 1400 years ago in deserts VS science the knowledge provided with full evidence and experimental proofs
How did an illiterate man write a book?
@@Nomad_786 I can't read as well. Must be a miracle that I'm writing these lines
@@kilianp123 Yeah, it means Mo lied about his illiteracy just like you showed us rn.
Host is immature but guest have gems 💎 of knowledge
Well, I would say maybe it is our understanding of Quran that contradicts the science. We have to be careful to assume that our knowledge of Quran reflects the true meaning that is conveyed by Allah. Allah knows best.
Hahaha that joke hits it at all🤣🤣🤣🤣
How is it that we dont understand quran when people have been following it for 1400 years? Or that the quran was written in such a way for people back then to understand. What muslims dont understand is that they have been fooled and cant realize or accept it. As Mark Twain said, it is easier to fool someone than convince them they have beeb fooled. Quran is from a science perspective or just reality perspective full of errors. End of discussion
bro you guys need to wake up! and start live in a real world.
Quite a terrible explanation.
If you're not Muslim this video is not for you, because it starts with the basis of Islam being true
@@sy6553 great justification 🤣
@@Asterix07 justification for what?
@@sy6553 Islam is the justification for your ignorance. So yes your response is justified 😀
@@sy6553 don't you find that a tad bit biased ? There is some.thing very wrong with saying that something starts off with the assumption that it is right.
The host is too young, maybe someone more mature and knowledgeable would suit this podcast better
Age doesn’t always equal how smart you are he could have a degree
Science talks at the “what” and “how” of creation
Islam talks about the “why” (i.e the wisdom) of creation
That’s just my P.O.V
Islam does not give many clues to the what your right but many of the why. But the bits of what are still true
Then tell me ..why did allah created us to worship him...and there is many "why" with me
@@rishrauz3469 You literally have your answer in your question. Why did Allah create us? It is to worship him. It's that simple.
@@TheMuslimPerspective now answer "why" did he created us mr genius
@@rishrauz3469 what...what does it mean bruh😑i just said *Allah created us to worship him* . I dont understand which answer u are looking for mate.
You are "Just Believing" that Quran is absolute truth. Even science doesn't claim to be absolute truth even if it has sufficient evidence at it's end. Even if the evidence for prophet Muhammad might exist but there is no way you could prove whatever writen in Quran is true.
Actually universe in a way is eternal because big bang never stated that energy was created out of nowhere rather it just states that energy and matter was super densed in a single point. which could mean energy is eternal and hence universe in a way. So universe is eternal in a way.
"Islam is not gonna change"
The most frightening thing I've heard today
@Monkey D. Luffy
Did already,
when He abrogated verses, made Mohamed change his direction of prayer and finally reduced the number of prayers he initially insisted on.
God's flexible, you know, so don't take everything He says as granted, you may have a nasty surprise if you do so.
@@blueblubber6607 he tells u when he does so what's the problem
@@animebakemono3178
That he should have known before...
He's all-knowledgeable after all, isn't it ?
True however muslims have changed a lot and sometimes for worse
But you should understand there are good muslims and bad muslims but it doesn't mean Islam is bad
I LOVE YOU ALLAH AND PROPHET MOHAMMED
One side we have visual proofs, huge data collected over the years for the theory of evolution and on the other side we have only single book which all the questions I mean this book has only claims not a single proof but still the weight of that book is more. Irony.
bro,when this book talks about big bang, stages of baby in mother's womb, water cycle, star are moving in circles, earth is circular and many more things .. almost 1000 verses are on science in this book, we should do atleast think how it was possible to talk about these things 1400 yrs ago.
@@waqasahmed7655 bro, you should read books other than " Qur'an" there are hundreds of books written on Geography and science before Islam. For example "Ges Periodos" by Hecataeus( father of geography) , " Geographica" by Eratosthenes, works of Aristotle and Ptolemy, Historia Naturalia by Pliny( 23-79 A.D.) these are just few.
Indians contribution in Geography
In Rigveda ( oldest text in the world) there is description of stars. It also describes 5 seasons in India. Works of Aryabhatta(476 A.D.) calculated the circumference of earth in book " Aryabhattiyam". Hindi term "Bhugol" for geography was used for the first time in "Surya Siddhanta". Works of Varah Mihir ( 505-587 A.D.) these are just a glimpse in Science.
And Last thing, It's ok to be ignorant for sometimes but not always. A friendly advice, Start explore other works. Muhammad didn't knew how to write doesn't mean he had no idea about how the world was moving ahead that time. Romans and Greeks knew about child birth, human anatomy, geography, physics and astronomy. For example There is verse about seven heavens in Bible and Qur'an, those were Sun, moon, earth, mars, venus, jupitor and saturn. And it was already known by Greeks.
If you deny the existence of theory of evolution, you are actually denying Biology as a branch of science specially Medical science.
A friendly advice for you brother, stop searching for scientific basis for religion ( Islam, Christianity etc) they are mere interpretation of verses out of context. Start reading. Start exploring other cultures that came before Islam. You would be surprised. That i promise.
Thank you.
@@harrylal4187 what did the Romans and Greeks know about birth? Did they understand about the stages of birth and what happens. And the circumsfance of earth doesn’t have to do with anything about the Quran Becuase the Quran never discusses it
@@klaywharf3602 Please don't waste my time with such void questions. READ FIRST. IT'S NOT A Q&A SESSION GOING ON HERE.
@@harrylal4187 well your claims are very vague
people always tend to forget natural phenomena are looked at through the lens of philosophical naturalism. As a Muslim, you can't be a philosophical naturalist. we believe in the supernatural. the matter is not the ultimate reality. matter has no power on its own. we believe in the miraculous creation of the isa. we believe the dead birds of Abraham come flying to them. we believe in the unseen.
The most critical mistake Muslims make is to adopt the worldview of materialism and use it as "furkan" criteria.
materialism is wrong. it doesn't work. just look at the consciousness. it doesn't work.
and even if you accept materialism. which model is the fact? bush of life? tree of life? which one?
which mechanism is the proven fact? there are alternative models and suggestions even in the communities of materialsts.
how can you say this is fact while there are multiple models and drawings to explain the same data?
there are mathematical problems. but dogmatic materialstics ignore it because one way or the other way matter has to organize itself to build up right? That is a fact, right?
it only follows if you blindly believe in philosophical naturalism.
I'm an ex-muslim and I believe in evolution.
The Qur'an talks about the big bang 1400 years ago but humans discovered thus theory last century
@@ahuman9013 No the quran talks about the Ptolemy model, with seven havens orbiting a flat earth.
Why do you LIE about a book you obviously haven´t read?
@@worfoz it doesn't say 7 heavens orbit the earth it says there are 7 skies, which we as mortals can't see
@@worfoz the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder" (21:30
@@worfoz sounds familiar?
Yes your imaginary god is always right. Your imagination says so
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Secularly scientific,.. Evolution is a questionable theory that still has a lot of holes if you really looking into it.
Name some of these holes.
@@bazkoa5215 name the evidence you have and we will tell you the holes, because there are many to count!
The evidence is contained within the 30,000 plus scientific papers on the subject that include hundreds of examples of observed microevolution, dozens of examples of observed macroevolution, and thousands of different evolution experiments.
There are no holes in it. There are only creationist misunderstandings.
@@chimpanzeethat3802 This is a lie! What? No scientist believes it has no holes. Darwinian Evolution? With all due respect, have you been present at all in the scientific community?
You don't need to be. The published scientific literature (peer-reviewed scientific papers and journals) can be found catalogued online in its entirety.
You have the collective knowledge of the scientific community at your fingertips.
Evolution is a fact accepted by 99.86% of living scientists, and accepted as fact by every scientific institute on the planet, every academy of sciences on the planet, and every accredited college and university on the planet.
PS there is no distinction between evolution and Darwinian evolution. They're the same thing, it's just evolution. You don't need to prefix it with Darwinian for the same reason you don't feel the need to refer to relativity as Einsteinian.
When people talk about Darwin's contribution they're specifically referring to natural selection.
_Should we believe in gravity as muslims?_
As absurd as that question sounds, Muslim clerics have written entire books rebuking gravity, and earth's movement.
Welcome in brainwash
evolution is a fact, no getting around that.
Yeah what one believes is irrelevant here
@@lazypotato6743 its not about belief the difference is that evolution is a FACT
Right, that explains why it's called the theory of evolution.
Friend, theres a difference between an English theory and a scientific theory, a scientific theory means something which has mountains of evidence, for example there's cell theory and atomic theory doesn't mean it's a false explanation@@adamdzahn
@@adamdzahneverything in science you believe in is a theory. There is a theory the earth is round, to challenge this is to put yourself on the level of Donald trump voters.
Well a lot of them
Said a lie there.... no academics says that evolution is false.
There are academics that do place claims against theory of evolution.
And the debate is carrying since the inception of the theory itself. Scientific articles are available on internet.
It's a common thing in scientific world. There are even scientists in esteemed communities who challenge already established understandings. It's a way to find new approaches and understand better.
The problem with religion is that you don't compare the two if you did that's how you become an Atheist evolution makes way more sense than the religious belief that we came from dirt or mud with a bit of magic it's ignorant to believe in one thing without questioning it because your religion goes against rational thought by saying that you shouldn't doubt the Quran lol
science and the universe couldnt care less if you want to believe on fairytale or not !
Quran is filled more with science than “fairytales”
SAT search Quran and science
SAT if you go few hundred years back people thought the earth was flat... until newer technology proved its spherical.
If you go few years back people thought the Universe was infinite. Until Nasa proved its expanding (Big bang)
If you go few years back humans didnt know each plant has male and female, and that humans have 46 chromosomes and so on. I could keep going.
SAT all this written in Quran
SAT sorry but i had This discussion with too many people. Only i Can say is do your research instead of listening to what people say