Islam, Evolution, and Darwinism with Subboor Ahmad
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@@SubboorAhmadAbbasi Allah reward both of you lions
@@SubboorAhmadAbbasi This was an extremely Academic video, I must say that alot of what you talked about went over my head, because I am not familiar with all the terminologies and the contexts etc.
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Please do a piece on Kemetics
This cannot be true.....i was about to request a video like this today!!! Masha'Allah. Alhamdulillah.
Literally same here. I really wanted this video and I open TH-cam and there it is on my homepage.
@@osamas5912 Allah answered our requests alhamdulilah
You were requesting a video between two creationists who have no idea what they're talking about, without the critical oversight of an actual expert?
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@@Borz.0011 thats you bro
Salam alaykoum,
We received a call yesterday from a sister on our French toll-free number on Islam, she is doubting Islam because of the theory of evolution. As she knows English I directed her to the amazing and groundbreaking work of Brother Subboor Ahmad who is a specialist on this issue.
Thank you very much brother Paul for hosting those great discussions on your channel !
May Allah bless you both !
May Allah keep her firm in Islam
Maybe you should point her to someone who can actually falsify the theorie of evolution. Oh, wait...
@@grnzrn cry more
His channel is definitely one of the best references allahumma barik!
@@grnzrn Evolution isn’t falsifiable.
A part 2 is needed. So much more to discuss. May Allah swt reward you all for this excellent discussion.
There's nothing to discuss. Evolution is a proven fact.
@@ServeGodAlone Muslims are weak exactly because of that: uneducated, refusing science, childish.
@@u.canthinkpositively I apologize for what I wrote a month ago earlier, perhaps I was a bit off-balance when I wrote that. And I don't see right now what I responded to, perhaps that triggered me somehow.
Anyway, the evidence for evolution is absolutely overwhelming, there are mountains of evidence for humans being part of evolution from common origin. This means, unfortunately, that a lot of religions have been proven false: All religions that claim humans were separately created.
I understand the evidence, so therefore I understand that evolution from common origin is true. It doesn't have anything to do with authorities like Dawkins or any kind of feelings or social needs, it's just understanding of facts.
@@u.canthinkpositively sure, among the mountains of evidence for human evolution, we have the genetic evidence where we can see how genes have been copied along an evolutionary tree. For instance, we have the fused chromosome two in humans that are two chromosomes in apes, but where the fused chromosome in humans retains remnants of an extra middle and extra "ends" within the chromosome. We also have e.g. endogenous retrovirus genome remnants, where we can see how some such extra material has been inserted before we split from various common ancestors, and some after. There's literally millions of such evidences in our DNA.
We can also use the same molecular clock analysis to estimate time since lineages split, that also works for other species and with subspecies.
Other evidence involve vestigial features, like the grasp reflex in babies, serving no function anymore but is very useful for ape babes to hold on to the mother's fur while she has both hands free for climbing in trees. We also have remnant muscles that can move our ears slightly, that in some monkeys are used to direct the ears toward sound.
Then we have common flaws, like the recurrent laryngeal nerve that due to evolutionary history takes a bad detour from the brain around the heart and then back to our larynxes, introducing a signalling delay and a slight vulnerability.
Then we have fossil evidence of human evolution.
All these lines of evidence can be expanded upon and each contains huge amounts of separate proofs.
Ustādh Suboor Ahmed is very smart and intelligent. His videos about debunking human evolution are awesome and very helpful for those suffering with Shubuhat (Doubts).
May Allah ﷻ bless Ustādh Suboor with happiness, health, and longevity. Ameen!
How has he "debunked" human evolution? Subboor has no expertise, his words sound like babble to anyone even slightly educated.
Amin.
Since scientists agree that humans have evolved from common origin and since the evidence is very clear and overwhelming, everybody who contradicts that will be regarded as kindof d-mb. This includs Suboor and yourself.
humans share 98.8 of their DNA with chimps
@@jesan733we went from being descendants of apes, to having a common ancestor with them. And we still don’t have the transitional fossils between us and our common ancestor.
I love how comfortable Paul is with Suboor. I love when he talks more in his interviews.
Pure effort of seeking truth. Dear Paul and Subboor, I thank you.
Pure effort of seeking to deny the truth. Humans are part of evolution from common descent; the evidence is overwhelming.
I’m so glad Br Paul you pushed back on the need for evolution to be a battleground against new atheists purely for sociological reasons. I think our community is educated enough to take the more spiritually watertight perspective you presented :) JazakAllahu Khairan both for the discussion.
If there's a battleground here, it's muslims vs biologists. But biologists generally don't care about your denialism, so you're fighting science with disinterested "opponents".
@@jesan733here comes the genocide supporters
We are writing history, gentlemen. 💪
Thank Dr. Paul and Dr. Subboor
"The mantle of science is being missused to promote metaphysical naturalism when it's description is only to methodological naturalism" atom bomb of truth right at the very start
Brother Subboor is indeed an elite on this issue, glad you invited him, there's so much to process in this 1 and half hour I'll have to rewatch multiple times as per usual when it's Subboor on lol but also the mention of NDEs is very intriguing stuff.
He is a star 🌟
But many of the world's leading scientists and philosophers of science are saying precisely that science does lend support to metaphysical naturalism. This includes Subboor's own source such as Puggliucci and Ruse.
If this is in Subboor's opinion, 'misuse', then why is Subboor pretending to speak on behalf of the 'academic understanding'? Why doesn't he admit that he is instead challenging a widely held academically respectable point of view?
You must not have listened to the video. Appeals to authority (big scientists believe X) or appeals to majority (most believe Y) are fallacies. The whole episode is about why prevailing ideas are flawed. Ironically, that’s what happens in scientific paradigm shifts. One minute everyone believes in one theory, then cracks form, and then people realize they were wrong. I’m not even gonna touch the absurd idea that “science” makes metaphysical claims. Do you even know what you’re talking about?
Created mo to be a con fake character....using planted fake science
@@AntiKaratekid science doesn't make metaphysical claims, yet science proving evolution from common origin and science not finding any support for miracles still lends support to metaphysical naturalism. Lending support and making claims aren't the same thing, exactly. We as onlookers see the science and draw conclusions without science making definite claims.
This brother Suboor is a gem! Though younger in age he always astonished me in knowledge logic and presentation skills since I found him years ago in YT. He navigates easily through many of the difficult terrains in the field of science, especially related to evolution and philosophy, most other scholars find difficult. Years of my reading and explorations made it easy fir me understand him better but it was always a great experience listening to him. May Allah swt protect him and increase his knowledge, efforts and success. Ameen. I wish to meet him personally one day Insha Allah if I get a chance.
Amazing guest & interview. I really learned a lot from watching Suboors content, in regards to debunking Darwinism. Can’t recommend him enough.
May Allah preserve you both 🤲🏾
Thanks!
Next you can learn a lot from flat earthist channels, in regards to debunking a round earth. That's equally d-mb.
One of the biggest drawbacks of evolution is that it fails to explain why we don’t see evidences of evolution on other planets i.e the potential for life on other planets to originate and adapt to their unique conditions, which is from inorganic to organic (not yet proven)and than develop by adapting to that planet’s unique conditions and as complex as our planet earth.
wow never really thought of this perspective...thank you
We haven’t discovered another planet with life yet. So the theory has not been tested.
I think you gotta learn about Miller's experiment......
Your question is borderline stupid
I think this has more to do with abiogenesis than evolution. Abiogenesis deals with the origin of life and the answer maybe that life is very rare which seems to be the case.
Another great video, keep doing what you do man!
Alhamdullilah first commenter. May Allah bless your work.
*sigh* this video is my happy place once again 🤗 what a great time to be alive amongst Muslim academics like yourselves alhamdulillah!
Dear, Blogging Theology.
Can you please make a series where you can introduce the audience to the top 10 books to read for the following topics:
- Darwinism vs Islam
- Islam and science
- New to Islam
- Humanity
- Philosophy
And any other interesting topics. I always enjoy hearing your thoughts and opinions/reviews.
P.S. Thanks for all the hard work y'all are doing. I've personally benefitted a lot from your content. May Allah keep you sincere and grant you jannatul firdouse. Amen 🤲🏼
What do you mean whit new Islam?
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Introductions to people who are new to Islam
@@abduallahamin2001 💯
❤ Amen
"The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution" by Richard Dawkins is possibly the best book for you right now.
Fascinating.
Thank you Subboor and Paul.
Brother suboor is 🔥 i had requested this a longtime ago, thankyou paul..
42:45 to 46:30
Near death experiences
(تجارب الإقتراب من الموت)
1:14:15 to 1:18:55 junk DNA
1:20:29 subboor's forthcoming book.
1:22:42 books recommendation.
Been waiting for this. Thank you, sir Paul.
Oh I was wondering when you will invite Suboor Ahmad. So Nice to see this video
Masha Allah what a brilliant discussion. I love @Subboor Ahmad fi-ilah (for Allah), since I laid eyes on him 4-5 years ago and I've learned alot from him as a practicing Scientist myself. He's true to his discipline, relays information accurately and truthfully to the best of his ability. A true مؤمن. May Allah strengthen us all as an ummah and allow us to have these differences in theological and metaphysical approaches, as he does with Shoaib Malik, and as Islam allows (!), cordially and respectfully.
Looking at how he relays the information surrounding Junk-DNA does not exactly inspire confidence in his academic competence.
Why not just exit islam? It clearly doesn't align with science, so why try to shoehorn it in?
amazing thank you brothers paul subboor and jazakAllahhukhair.
A beautiful, insightful and lively conversation between two favorite people... May Allah accept your efforts...
Brother Paul,
May Allah reward you greatly, your channel is like school for me. Thank you,
jazaakALlah khayran, enjotable and packed with information, may Almighty bless and protect you guys and guide us all ameen
Thanks for making this video
Thank You Sir Paul 👏
Suboor may allah increase your knowledge best regards from Sri Lanka
I see subbor I click and I leave comment even before watching the video. Now I will start watching the video
Subboor was among the first few "Boys of Speakers Corner" that I watched on YT during the lockdowns.
الحمد لله رب العالمين. الذي جعل هذا نفعا لنا
modern thinker recently found how fasting led to rejuvenate revitalising livelihood(socio-biology-ecology-economically) that fasting meant a lot to human civilization "sustainability" and "evolution" have nothing to claim about this "greatest scientist" (allah)work..assalamualaiqum
I'm not going to watch it now, but very soon during iftar I will watch this. It will be the best iftar of my life as I get to watch Paul Williams will doing iftar.
I really enjoyed the discussion. I am looking forward to read those books.
Absolutely amazing vlog.
Great vid guys
MashaAllah Saboor knowledge grew a lot.
Lovely to brother subboor and paul together MashaAllah this was very informative video.
Ma she Allah brother Paul, I'm saving these videos for after Ramadan
Salam alaykoum bro Paul ،thanks so much with your effort to put truth out for everyone thanks to our bro Ahmed
جزاكم الله خيرا ،رمضان كريم
Fantastic video at much needed time to face Atheism.. may Allah guide us all.
What a gem of an interview!..loved ❄️💙 this so much..had to admit I watched this twice to fully grasp the whole context of the discussion ...JZK May Allah SWT rewards you both! 💙❄️
JazakAllah'u khairan , very insightful
What was one insight you got from this video?
*_Masha'Allah Dr Ahmad._*
May God bless you, a valuable and very important topic nowadays.
Brilliant discussion.
Absolutely fascinating discussion. May Allah Almighty reward you both and increase you both in love of Him and His beloved ﷺ
Jazakalla khairan brother paul for bringing Subboor Ahmad sir ❤
I would love to see a debate on your channel brother Paul between Stephen Meyer and Shoaib Ahmad Malik whereby each party would have the fair opportunity to present their case and to respond to the objections of the other.
Great discussion!
The point about methodological naturalism vs philosophical naturalism couldn't be more spot on. Having studied medicine at Cambridge I can attest that people would be confused when asking me about evolution and scientific theories and fail to understand this is NOT the same as the metaphysical naturalism that they would be erroneously equated to! Great upload!
If u don't mindme asking, what branch of medicine you v studied?
Can you actually provide an example of Dawkins conflating methodological and philosophical naturalism? I keep hearing that he does. But have yet to see an example.
@@DetInspectorMonkfish read Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False, a 2012 book by the philosopher Thomas Nagel
@@salmanul_fares If you can't provide an example, then just don't bother. Don't send me on a wild goose chase.
@@DetInspectorMonkfishu clearly don’t want an answer so just shut up
God bless you both brothers
May Allah bless you with best. Alhmdulillah
Your work is very Beneficial
Watching this at 12.30pm here. Phewww the intellectual discussion here fried my brain more than the Malaysian hot weather.
Jazakallahu bi kyair Sir ❤
Absolutely absorbing. I was so fascinated by the dialogue that I watched it twice. May Allah Bless you Paul for bringing such intellectuals.
JazakALLAHukhairan
Thank you Paul for bringing such a most amazing speaker I must say this video has cleared many of misconceptions and understand traps laid and fallacies forced to swallow. Well i think this video along with other help reinterpret assumptions and narrations and I also thank Paul for brining to notice and recommending academic discourse to general audience and all the best for subboor ahmed for his upcoming book
Love you two brothers
First from Pakistan🇵🇰
Love you Paul ❤
this episode is pure gold
So many answers here and lots of inspiration.
Thanks to you both amaizing gentlemen !
Masha Allah Brother subboor a very well knowledgeable about science. Jazaka Allahu kheyran brother Paul for what you doing.
@@homtanks7259 I misspelled subboor
@@Dontbeasheep345 i know
Incredible discussion
Need another one with Suboor
This video is full of gems. We need more of this sort of discussions
You need to read about evolution from a scientific perspective instead of from a pseudo-scientific perspective. Try "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution".
There is one verse in the Quran that describes the origin of the universe followed by the origin of life in a few phrases. It appears to describe the transition from chemistry to biology at an abstract level.
Could you share the verses?
Jazakallah Khair brother Paul… what would say is the best book for a layman friend who is trying to navigate through atheistic doubts in your opinion… I’m already excited to watch this video
Hamza Andreas's book, The Divine Reality
@@nokhchi1079 Subhanallah, I just purchased it over an hour ago. That’s crazy.. Jazakallah Khair.. could you expand or tell me what’s covered briefly if you don’t mind
@@user-ib9of6dm5nalso Islam Answers Atheism by Asrar Rashid
Both books are available as a pdf online
@@user-ib9of6dm5n the main philosophical arguments of atheism
MASHALLAH good to see you brother Subboor
MaashAllah, may Allah bless you, brother Paul, for this amazing channel. This is really what we need, especially being in the west
Thank you for the enlightening discussion, will check out Shoaib's book!
You're working great sir, try inviting Hamza Yusuf sir too on your channel.
Nice pun on the Beatle fan 😀
😎
Thank you very much 😊
it would have been more helpful if there was a slideshow. and for a novice it would have been helpful as well to lay down basics about theory of evolution, protagonist's opinion, response rather than jumping straight into terms and positions.
Sick chemistry between the two of you!
Hello there brother Paul, watching from Italy
Excellent video 👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed it
Please do a piece on Kemetic beliefs
This is among the grrtest theme of BT.. Please make convetsation about Quantum mechanic, space time & qada and qadr
Ok video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched all of it 1:23:05
masha Allah ...
May Allah reward you my brother's
ماشاءاللہ ❤❤
I was expecting some pretty bigoted stuff on here based on my experience growing up evangelical, but I never learned the distinction between metaphysical and methodological naturalism. Thanks for the information!
I am all for ID . Myers books are the flagships of ID. However I am very disappointed in Myers views on judo- Christianity as the platform for modern science. Despite several prompts over the years ( including prompts by Paul on blogging theology ) he refuses to acknowledge immense Arabic / Muslim contribution as the backbone for modern Renaissance. To me this is akin to intellectual dishonesty. Probity is very important to me whatever field of knowledge one belongs to.
Good points Dr Suhail.
@@BloggingTheology Thanks Paul- just call me Suhail 🙂
It's pretty much impossible to write such major works positive to ID while being intellectually honest, since evolution is so clearly true.
As'salamu alykum brother Paul
1st one today haha
Wa alaykumu s-salam
@@BloggingTheology Brother Paul have you considered coming to any Russell group unis in central london as LSE, Kings, and UCL among others to speak?
Too good wheres the next part
Just watched the whole 1 hour 24 minutes, i just learned so much from you sir paul.
Daniel haqiqatjou, Muhammad hijab and you are my favourite youtubers. Im 20 now, thanks for the guidance, i always come here whenever islam makes me confused, you guys always made islam more sense and factual. ❤❤
Can you give a small gist yes islam denies we eveolved from apes and fish before that but there's clearly proof of homo erectus and humans with arched backs slightly so what's the end conclusion?
Please read this book: "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution".
@@jesan733this book is not a 4,8 billion years old book is just a man that says something you can just watch a video about it and become the same infos so no he don’t need to read it👌
@@Gokuwird50 I think this young man needs something more than a video to help him resist islamic teachings on evolution.
@@jesan733my friend I’m just saying no one need a book every atheist has a video about it so he don’t need to read a book or buy one and don’t forget that Muslim can’t lie about there own religion that is a huge problem so speak like they are speaking the truth
May Allah bless you all.
Firstly I'm not a clever man,
I'm sure if I had a debate to prove that 2+2=4 with a clever debater I would loose.
Well religion can be seen as over simplistic, take Genisis, well we don't know so God did it and all in 6 days and come the 7th day he needed a rest.
What God needs a rest??
Very laughable if you take things literally.
The Qur'an talks about sending man to earth, so did man exist in a spiritual form before man came to earth?
Chapter 21 v 30
21:30) Did the unbelievers (who do not accept the teaching of the Prophet) not realize that the heavens and the earth were one solid mass, then We tore them apart,28 and We made every living being out of water?29 Will they, then, not believe (that We created all this)?
So here we have the Big Bang and the origins of life in water, which Darkins would say is true.
So this was simply a lucky guess by an illerate nomadic tribesman right????
I'm old enough at nearly 70 to see how the West has been flushed into the sewer of depravity and it grieves me deeply.
Allah has set man free to do and believe what ever he wants.
We now have lies made to look like truth, I can decide right now im a woman, a horse whatever and the stupid godless governments of the day say freedom of expression.
So can I commit a heinous crime and when brought to justice decide I'm not a human, I'm a donkey or even a 3 year old child so do t know better.
Great Britain, GB, rule Britannia and all that has now become GB GODLESS BRITAIN.
I will get shot for saying this but the only hope is ISLAM.
The church of England has now decided God got it wrong and same sex marriage is ok.
The only churches doing OK are mega churches that are all show and entertain people who think Jesus was a cool dude in a rock band.
Well they killed the church but they simply swapped religion.
The shopping mall is the house of worship and the Holy book is TV, radio and social media.
Excellent discussion, but it was too Short 😑
Assalaamwalequm my esteemed Brothers. I hope your Ramzaan is going well.
It's always such a pleasure hearing you both when it comes to receiving Dawah.
Brother Hamza Tzortzis's debate with Lawrence Krauss was such a gratifying experience for viewers like me because all of Lawrence's petulant approach and nerdy disdain toward Islam, coated with his haughtiness, was completely ripped to shreds by brother Hamza's amazingly cool and logically approach backed by his impeccable and enviable knowledge on subjects pertaining to the debate.
It was exhilarating seeing all of Lawrence antics of disregarding the debate procedures, been taken on by brother Hamza and rendering a decisive knockout punch to every argument raised by Lawrence.
Brother Subboor, your discussion at speakers corner with Rob the Atheist was another gem. Thanks to your vast knowledge and understanding on the subject, it was exhilarating watching you expose Rob's pontification about Evolution, clearly as a complete hoax
Brother Paul, your amazing channel Blogging theology along with your amazing clips on #no-design is something that I eagerly watch. We truly are blessed by Allah (SWT) to have amazing daiees like you on the side of Islam.
May ALLAH (SWT) protect, guide and bless you all for all the amazing work you all are doing.
Jazzak Allah khair my brothers
This was 8 months ago. Have you changed your mind since? There's mountains of evidence for evolution from common descent and that humans are part of it. I would suggest that it's better to learn the science than to watch debates and tell yourself that your team won.
@@jesan733 if life on earth began with the biological cell, then what programmed the factory within the cell that scientist have only discovered now?
Science only reiterates that there is an entity that has not only coded DNA but and all living organisms but also the universe.
If you look at the Golden ratio or the Fibonacci sequence within nature, it all points to intelligence that is embedded all around. For the information to exist, there has to be a code giver.
Here is what science has discovered about what was considered something not to intricate, which is a cell
th-cam.com/video/X_tYrnv_o6A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KSMj1b1louk9PYq9
Great content
waiting for long
17:14 Russell was actually an agnostic per his own admission.
26:12 Dawkins is technically an agnostic as well.
Many atheist if one gets them to think and leave dogma often find they are more agnostic than atheist.
Richard Dawkins also become agnostiv
@@MamaMama-sv3b you should also be agnostic or atheist.
@@markward3981 there's no dogma there, only in religion.
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