If I really have to just to prove it cos I know people are going to think I'm lying about the wind diagram I will put pictures up if you want to see them on my Facebook and Instagram let me know
Quite a common problem on those... done a few in the past... But yes, not easy when you do it for the first time, and you trust a "wrong" diagram... You got there in the end... Thank you for sharing Leon... I am sure is going to help someone out there!
Hey thanks for your upload and naming of the title, your video was the first I watched I was full for dread because I've had wiring issues in Corsa before and was expecting the worst, watched your video and it was exactly as you discribed mine had the single relay but it had failed on the left hand side working fine on right but no left hand on hazards either, lucky I have a old scrap Corsa I keep for spares and lone behold sorted, you saved me alot of time and effort and stress thanks for putting the work in and sharing your knowledge if your ever up north the drinks are on me
" i bet it's the big yellow relay, Leon" i said as i started to watch this video. I used to have an oh five Meriva with the big one seven engine( Eric O roks) that had the same fault. I found the relay hidden under the pass side scuttle in a box with a bolted on lid. Lots of touchy feeley to get it out but it was worth the cuts n bruises to have a working flasher. Great video.
Good job I have a shop and I agree that when it comes to electrical issues I charge by the hour and you don't know what you will find it could be rodent issues or human issues or factory issues but I want to always be as fair as I can but don't want to give away time either so i think it's up to you to charge fair thanks great video
I have a local scrap yard that lets me take the parts off myself. It's handy being able to root around other car's cos you will notice if they are different than yours, therefore spot when someone bodged your car. I am an amateur so I photo everything when playing with the car.
You hear techs on the US channels often bemoaning wiring diagrams. That's why so many subscribe to the 3 majors in the US in the hope that one has it right! Good find, sharp as Leon.
seeing two relays did raise an eyebrow with me, but then im used to older cars, always much harder to fix when you have to undo someones messing around and wrong parts
Seen loads of these faulty dual relays on Corsa C. My Autodrivel diagram does show the K5 relay correctly as a dual relay. It has a feed to pin6 that is shared internally to what would be both pin86's on normal relays and a feed to pin8 that is shared internally to what would be both pin30's. They did this to just rip people off with the price of the dual relays when they first came out. It's pretty easy to convert it to use 2 separate normal relays like we're in there at the start. Also, if you get one, the BCM can cause this as well. Trace the pins into the BCM that go to the 2 relay coils. There are 2 SMD transistor's that switch these to earth. One will be faulty. The can be short and cause indicator to be on permanently or open and it just won't light. Easy enough to swap with one from another module that negatively switches relay coils.
If a car is brought in torn apart by another shop the normal diagnostic rate does not apply b/c usually you have to put it somewhat together to test it however that relay and the wire diagram probably threw the other shop into a spin. They may have seen that and thought it needed two relays however even if that was the case if they did a simple relay check they would have found it just like you did and seen there were no terminals and then looked at the OEM relay but usually there are a lot of hands involved in a fiasco. Good find & repair Leon...great video!...
Well done for fixing it. Always looks easy watching you tube videos but when this happens most people would struggle to sort it . Only experience tells you to question a wiring diagram thats prob the route others went down thinking that someone had put the wrong relay in and swapped it for two because diagram shows two . Sorted without getting your hands too dirty.
Good find on the relay issue. I’m a little confused though. Did the car originally come with two separate relays and the relay/fuse center was changed to now use a single relay? 😀👍
Hi mate no the original car came with a single relay I'm not sure who changed them into a double relay so I cannot say but someone got confused and put the wrong stuff in undiagnosed it wrong I don't know
Both this and another video (on the preparation dismantling) were very helpful for finding the same problem with wife's Corsa, she has the yellow single body unit BUT I do wonder why everyone seems to always have the left one fail? The box housing is in a very wet location and the cover skirt seal is very inadequate could be an issue? (along with leaking pedal panel, built in Spain, need to be made in a wet country!)
Well as Eric often says on SMA, ‘you didn’t make it, you didn’t break it’ and you certainly didn’t end up not fixing it and giving up, so it’s whoever your customer was ie the other garage - says I as if I know anything 🤪 nice one I say.
Bought my 98 astra 11 years ago for £400 because previous owner couldn't fix LH indicator. They tried very hard to, but assumed the flasher unit was ok because the historical norm is, or was, one solenoid did both sides. I only got up to date and figured it out after flipping off the flasher unit cover to see TWO solenoids side by side......Ahhhhhhh I thought! Still got the car by the way. atb, Martin
A nice easy fix (once you found the problem). I was looking at my Haynes manual for the Corsa C and the RHD cars have the combined relay from 2004. I know we all take the piss out of Haynes manuals (RIP the recently deceased John Haynes) but sometimes they do get it right. You should charge the shop that sent the car to you. They asked YOU to fix it so you should bill THEM. Simples. The other shop can either take the hit or pass it on to the customer themselves.
Pleaseee what petrol addative would you recommend to clean fuel filter because it's in the fuel tank so dont want to break the bank yet thanks In advance
Hi mate I don't know if there's any such thing if your fuel filter is blocked or dirty you have to replace it you cannot clean it if your tank has got crap in it you have to take it down and clean it there's no easy way around this
Quality...as i remember they changed it from one double relay to two single ones or visa versa as a modifacation. Cant remember what year though... Anyway i thought it was going to be contacts on the twisty bulb holder as they alway give grief. Good job though leon....more interesting then just a bulb change
hi mate I have the top of my head I don't know but there's a really easy way to check all of your fuses get a test light put it on battery negative and touch each of the top terminals on the fuse when one side lights up and the other doesn't you know that fuse is gone
Good catch Leon and so as not to offend anyone, no comment as to who should pay, but it is alot harder to solve something when somebody else has been at it, good stuff:)
GREAT VIDEO LEROY , I AM JUST QUERIES DO YOU THINK THAT THE OEM INFORMATION WOULD HAVE HAD THE RIGHT SCHEMATICS..., THANKS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO MANY MORE VIDEOS FOR YOU THANKS !
Hi mate yes that is certainly one way to go but depending on the manufacturer you might have to spend a lot of money to get them not everyone has just a one day portal like everything the more money you have to spend the more the job is I spend a fortune on wiring diagrams and you just kind of hope everything is ok but just goes to show you not all the time this is the problem of this game people don't understand how much money we have to spend
If you don’t have power coming in on 30 and you bridge it to 87 it was never gonna make the indicators come on. Easy to say from my arm chair I know. I recall the yellow ones have large inductors in them. Good video though. I like them test adaptors. 👍
Whoever asked you to sort the car pays , they're your customer for that job, you didn't break it you fixed it , if the previous garage fitted two relays In place of the original combined one they would have told you , the car could have come into them with two relays
Impossible to know where the two separate relays came from, could have been the other shop or maybe even the owner of the car! Unreal the wiring diagram shows separate relays though what an absolute pain in the backside working with duff info as a reference. Good spot though once you'd pulled them both out!
Well spotted :-) I've been led up the garden path with wiring diagrams, found a lot of them to be totally unreliable:-( The customer should pay and let them deal with the other garage.
I think that the company putting out the wiring diagram who lay'd the diagram down wrong showing it as two relays when in fact it's wrong should foot the bill, lets be honest you are paying them for a diagram that does not show the correct info to determine whats wrong the customer don't know the fault they take it to you as you're the mechanic and in their eyes you should know what is wrong as thats what they are paying you for. " like you said you don't work on enough of one make of cars to know them inside out like a main dealer would". I used to work in a garage that serviced all models and makes, the bread and butter for me was taxi's as my boss owned a fleet of rental taxi's they were Peugeots and Vauxhalls I hated both, Their was tho odd nice taxi but it was rare!. Any ways good work leon!
had to be the 1 before you pays because why could they not think what you thought of proves if you live near bodgit take your car to him folks you know it be done proper #sorted
No mate wiring down is completely wrong it shows two completely separate relays with separate wires this relays the big relaying is missing some pins as it shares them and splits the power internally
Videos take a long time as it is and I explained everything is best I can in the video so hopefully don't really have to do this but I think I might have to start doing it in some videos
It’s a dilemma. You were asked to fix the car and you did. So whatever your costs are, then you charge. The WD was correct, it’s just the relay that was specific. I would have checked the continuity of the wires to the bulb and still not drawn the conclusion you did. One of the reasons I don’t charge for my services is that I’m not always right! I get there eventually but it sometimes takes a while (I’m a lift engineer, BTW) I look after the kids and their wives cars plus my own ‘ fleet’ and cos I’m the only one in the street who can_~ then I get pulled into things....When you were given the car, you were not told someone had lobbed the OEM relay.
not a good idea to charge I wonder what the oem diagram shows? the shop that hacked it should shell out the time that you lost but don't think that will happen
And you are not the one who bodged it and legged it! Nothing wrong with 2nd hand parts; often 2nd hand original parts are better than new after market; i mean original parts are always best.
We don't actually know enough of the story to make a judgement. We don't know what the owner has done or the other garages either. So I don't see the point in asking for our judgement on this.
The stupid engineers that designed that fuse box should foot the bill. Clearly looking at it, it looks like there should be 2 relays. The people making the wiring diagram where probably confused too. lol
The customer always pays. He went to a stupid shop it's his her fault for putting trust in a place that they didn't' research first. You always have to get paid for your valuable time. Your time isn't free. You can be making money on someone's else car. customer must pay up if they want it fix right. Unless customer never approve on the work then it's on you if you just want to be nice and solve their problem. If you tell them it could take hours and if they are willing to pay it and they say yes then they have to pay. You give them the bill. If they are too cheap or don't have the money or care to spend too much on a old car and say no then you don't do the work only what they pay for. They can show the bill to the original shop and work out a compromise with the original shops to refund a portion of the diagnoses that fail to find fix the problem. The customer can always take the shop to small claims court if they refuse to do anything. They can also leave bad feedback reviews if they simply refuse to work with the customer. You can give them a little one time discount but not too much. You aren't a charity. They should know to always come to you first next time to avoid paying a bunch of lame useless shops.
Well. Who pays? The person that brought it to you because they couldn't find the problem. They pay for what you know, not what you do. They tried "Tryagnostics" and didn't fix it. IMHO.
If I really have to just to prove it cos I know people are going to think I'm lying about the wind diagram I will put pictures up if you want to see them on my Facebook and Instagram let me know
You got wind lad?
@@grahamrushin4384 Always has wind, our Leon...
Redo the wiring diagram with crayons 👍
Quite a common problem on those... done a few in the past...
But yes, not easy when you do it for the first time, and you trust a "wrong" diagram...
You got there in the end...
Thank you for sharing Leon... I am sure is going to help someone out there!
Thanks mate
Hey thanks for your upload and naming of the title, your video was the first I watched I was full for dread because I've had wiring issues in Corsa before and was expecting the worst, watched your video and it was exactly as you discribed mine had the single relay but it had failed on the left hand side working fine on right but no left hand on hazards either, lucky I have a old scrap Corsa I keep for spares and lone behold sorted, you saved me alot of time and effort and stress thanks for putting the work in and sharing your knowledge if your ever up north the drinks are on me
glad it help you mate i will hold you 2 the drinks lol
Boom Sorted!💪 Great find! They can't fool old Leon😉
DiagnoseDan the right way is SOTED without the R 😂😂😂
Interesting, how can your comment be 2 months old?
@@fritsprive because I uploaded this video over 2 months ago I share with my patreon first and a few other people
@@bodgitandleggitgarage ah ok. Thanks for taking the effort of explaining. Nice videos, glad you're back.
" i bet it's the big yellow relay, Leon" i said as i started to watch this video. I used to have an oh five Meriva with the big one seven engine( Eric O roks) that had the same fault. I found the relay hidden under the pass side scuttle in a box with a bolted on lid. Lots of touchy feeley to get it out but it was worth the cuts n bruises to have a working flasher. Great video.
Thanks mate
Good job I have a shop and I agree that when it comes to electrical issues I charge by the hour and you don't know what you will find it could be rodent issues or human issues or factory issues but I want to always be as fair as I can but don't want to give away time either so i think it's up to you to charge fair thanks great video
Thanks mate
I really enjoyed the video as some people says it is a earth problem but this has really been helpful
I have a local scrap yard that lets me take the parts off myself. It's handy being able to root around other car's cos you will notice if they are different than yours, therefore spot when someone bodged your car. I am an amateur so I photo everything when playing with the car.
Yes mate taking pictures is fantastic you can always go back on them sorted
You hear techs on the US channels often bemoaning wiring diagrams. That's why so many subscribe to the 3 majors in the US in the hope that one has it right! Good find, sharp as Leon.
Thanks mate
seeing two relays did raise an eyebrow with me, but then im used to older cars, always much harder to fix when you have to undo someones messing around and wrong parts
Thanks mate
Every day's a school day!! In this game you learn something new every day!! Interesting video!!
yes mate it is thanks
The original garage should pay, but saying that, you should be rewarded well for actually fixing the overall problem!
Thanks mate
Seen loads of these faulty dual relays on Corsa C. My Autodrivel diagram does show the K5 relay correctly as a dual relay. It has a feed to pin6 that is shared internally to what would be both pin86's on normal relays and a feed to pin8 that is shared internally to what would be both pin30's. They did this to just rip people off with the price of the dual relays when they first came out. It's pretty easy to convert it to use 2 separate normal relays like we're in there at the start. Also, if you get one, the BCM can cause this as well. Trace the pins into the BCM that go to the 2 relay coils. There are 2 SMD transistor's that switch these to earth. One will be faulty. The can be short and cause indicator to be on permanently or open and it just won't light. Easy enough to swap with one from another module that negatively switches relay coils.
Some great information there mate sorted💪
If a car is brought in torn apart by another shop the normal diagnostic rate does not apply b/c usually you have to put it somewhat together to test it however that relay and the wire diagram probably threw the other shop into a spin. They may have seen that and thought it needed two relays however even if that was the case if they did a simple relay check they would have found it just like you did and seen there were no terminals and then looked at the OEM relay but usually there are a lot of hands involved in a fiasco. Good find & repair Leon...great video!...
Thanks mate
Well done for fixing it. Always looks easy watching you tube videos but when this happens most people would struggle to sort it . Only experience tells you to question a wiring diagram thats prob the route others went down thinking that someone had put the wrong relay in and swapped it for two because diagram shows two . Sorted without getting your hands too dirty.
Thanks mate
Good find on the relay issue. I’m a little confused though. Did the car originally come with two separate relays and the relay/fuse center was changed to now use a single relay? 😀👍
Hi mate no the original car came with a single relay I'm not sure who changed them into a double relay so I cannot say but someone got confused and put the wrong stuff in undiagnosed it wrong I don't know
Who would have thought that? Not me. That was a great deduction on your part. Nice.
thanks mate
Hi I have same problem only one side is working my astra has only one yellow relay is it possible that relay has broken just on one side
Both this and another video (on the preparation dismantling) were very helpful for finding the same problem with wife's Corsa, she has the yellow single body unit BUT I do wonder why everyone seems to always have the left one fail? The box housing is in a very wet location and the cover skirt seal is very inadequate could be an issue? (along with leaking pedal panel, built in Spain, need to be made in a wet country!)
Well as Eric often says on SMA, ‘you didn’t make it, you didn’t break it’ and you certainly didn’t end up not fixing it and giving up, so it’s whoever your customer was ie the other garage - says I as if I know anything 🤪 nice one I say.
Thanks mate
Was this just the front indicator not working,or all of that side?
Bought my 98 astra 11 years ago for £400 because previous owner couldn't fix LH indicator. They tried very hard to, but assumed the flasher unit was ok because the historical norm is, or was, one solenoid did both sides. I only got up to date and figured it out after flipping off the flasher unit cover to see TWO solenoids side by side......Ahhhhhhh I thought! Still got the car by the way. atb, Martin
boom sorted
Just watched the vid as I’m having real trouble with the left side fast ticking and no bulbs working. Going to try and locate a big fat yellow relay.
My right hand indicators are not working, I was told it is the indicator switch. Is it true?
A nice easy fix (once you found the problem). I was looking at my Haynes manual for the Corsa C and the RHD cars have the combined relay from 2004. I know we all take the piss out of Haynes manuals (RIP the recently deceased John Haynes) but sometimes they do get it right. You should charge the shop that sent the car to you. They asked YOU to fix it so you should bill THEM. Simples. The other shop can either take the hit or pass it on to the customer themselves.
Thanks mate
You're the man you are the man Leon .
lol thanks mate
Pleaseee what petrol addative would you recommend to clean fuel filter because it's in the fuel tank so dont want to break the bank yet thanks In advance
Hi mate I don't know if there's any such thing if your fuel filter is blocked or dirty you have to replace it you cannot clean it if your tank has got crap in it you have to take it down and clean it there's no easy way around this
@@bodgitandleggitgarage ahhh oki doki thanks realy for replying your the best
any time mate
Nice detective work.
Thanks mate
Quality...as i remember they changed it from one double relay to two single ones or visa versa as a modifacation. Cant remember what year though... Anyway i thought it was going to be contacts on the twisty bulb holder as they alway give grief.
Good job though leon....more interesting then just a bulb change
Thanks mate
Please tell me where the indicator fuse is kept please 😫
hi mate I have the top of my head I don't know but there's a really easy way to check all of your fuses get a test light put it on battery negative and touch each of the top terminals on the fuse when one side lights up and the other doesn't you know that fuse is gone
Good catch Leon and so as not to offend anyone, no comment as to who should pay, but it is alot harder to solve something when somebody else has been at it, good stuff:)
Thanks mate
Great stuff Leon & well spotted 👏
Thanks mate
GREAT VIDEO LEROY , I AM JUST QUERIES DO YOU THINK THAT THE OEM INFORMATION WOULD HAVE HAD THE RIGHT SCHEMATICS..., THANKS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO MANY MORE VIDEOS FOR YOU THANKS !
Hi mate yes that is certainly one way to go but depending on the manufacturer you might have to spend a lot of money to get them not everyone has just a one day portal like everything the more money you have to spend the more the job is I spend a fortune on wiring diagrams and you just kind of hope everything is ok but just goes to show you not all the time this is the problem of this game people don't understand how much money we have to spend
YOU ARE SO RIGHT AND THANKS SO MUCH !
Respekt - that Built-In "Problem" could take many others hours/days to figure out !! Good Job - DONE :-)
Thanks mate
Sweet video man Il let you know tomoro
Nice find! against all odds! almost.
Thanks mate
Nice find well done.
Thanks mate
Nice one mate ..well spotted..
Thanks mate
Good spot, I think l would have ended up pulling the bloomin relay box apart
thanks mate
Great vid Leon 👍
Thanks mate
If you don’t have power coming in on 30 and you bridge it to 87 it was never gonna make the indicators come on. Easy to say from my arm chair I know. I recall the yellow ones have large inductors in them. Good video though. I like them test adaptors. 👍
great video leon
Thanks mate
u should have had the correct diagram but you did do a proper diag onit so its down to you of u want to charge for your time
Whoever asked you to sort the car pays , they're your customer for that job, you didn't break it you fixed it , if the previous garage fitted two relays In place of the original combined one they would have told you , the car could have come into them with two relays
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Great find! Would have alluded me!!
thanks mate
You got their in the end lol
lol thanks mate
@@bodgitandleggitgarage mine is broken can't find the bloody relay lol you were very helpful cheers mate
Nice work top man
Thanks mate
i wish you was my mechanic,come back to england and live down my road 🤔👍
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Great video.
Thanks mate
Impossible to know where the two separate relays came from, could have been the other shop or maybe even the owner of the car! Unreal the wiring diagram shows separate relays though what an absolute pain in the backside working with duff info as a reference. Good spot though once you'd pulled them both out!
Thanks mate
Why it the battery wet?
Because there's water on it
Good one 🙂
@@CarNRadio1 😊😊
There nor wrong using second hand parts if on a budget if you ask owner also re use recyclie relive we can make a difference
Thanks mate
Brilliant vid. Customer should pay.......
Thanks mate
Well spotted :-) I've been led up the garden path with wiring diagrams, found a lot of them to be totally unreliable:-(
The customer should pay and let them deal with the other garage.
Thanks mate
wow nice trouble that you fix
Thanks mate
Remember most of the time on newer cars Fast flashing means your bulb is blown on that side.
On all cars this happened mate unless you've retrofitted LEDs without the right resistor on it
that was a good job.
Thanks mate
I have trouble with the automatic spelling Leon ,I checking it sometimes lol
I think that the company putting out the wiring diagram who lay'd the diagram down wrong showing it as two relays when in fact it's wrong should foot the bill, lets be honest you are paying them for a diagram that does not show the correct info to determine whats wrong the customer don't know the fault they take it to you as you're the mechanic and in their eyes you should know what is wrong as thats what they are paying you for. " like you said you don't work on enough of one make of cars to know them inside out like a main dealer would". I used to work in a garage that serviced all models and makes, the bread and butter for me was taxi's as my boss owned a fleet of rental taxi's they were Peugeots and Vauxhalls I hated both, Their was tho odd nice taxi but it was rare!. Any ways good work leon!
Thanks mate
had to be the 1 before you pays because why could they not think what you thought of proves if you live near bodgit take your car to him folks you know it be done proper #sorted
Thanks mate
Yikes what a trap! Well done.
Thanks mate
Good video
Thanks mate
Oh bugger what a "fault" 2 pins missing on the left relay looked a bit suspicious though
However put in there the two relays just threw me off but we got there in the end
@@bodgitandleggitgarage You'r not kidding only a Vauxhall dealer would know that
@@pauldavies6037 that's the problem with us independent garages we need to know a lot more about every different car it's a lot harder
@@bodgitandleggitgarage If you know any engineers who work for main car dealerships can help at times
Your wiring diagram is not technically incorrect. If you remove the cover for the larger relay box you will discover two relay switches inside.
No mate wiring down is completely wrong it shows two completely separate relays with separate wires this relays the big relaying is missing some pins as it shares them and splits the power internally
You should remove the rear passenger side wheel before removing a relay!!
I'm really sorry I'll have to remember that for next time lol
2nd or 3rd BOOM!!
Lol Boom
Why don’t try to draw some parts of wiring diagram on white board or paper when explaining?
davecad would sue.....no kidding eevblog is cool
Videos take a long time as it is and I explained everything is best I can in the video so hopefully don't really have to do this but I think I might have to start doing it in some videos
The initial garage should pay the customer back as they created the problem.
Customer pays. They can then take your bill to the other shop to get reimbursed.
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It’s a dilemma. You were asked to fix the car and you did. So whatever your costs are, then you charge. The WD was correct, it’s just the relay that was specific. I would have checked the continuity of the wires to the bulb and still not drawn the conclusion you did. One of the reasons I don’t charge for my services is that I’m not always right! I get there eventually but it sometimes takes a while (I’m a lift engineer, BTW) I look after the kids and their wives cars plus my own ‘ fleet’ and cos I’m the only one in the street who can_~ then I get pulled into things....When you were given the car, you were not told someone had lobbed the OEM relay.
Thanks for your, mate much appreciated and thanks for watching
not a good idea to charge I wonder what the oem diagram shows? the shop that hacked it should shell out the time that you lost but don't think that will happen
Thanks mate
BOOOOOMM💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣SORTED👍👍👍
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Just one thing it's a Vauxhall corsa not a Opel astra
'Who should pay for this'? GM for producing the car...and whoever supplies the wiring diagrams online and the customer.....BOOOM SORTEEEED!!!
Lol
That's a late astra g isn't it 👍
Oh it's a Corsa, sorry.
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And you are not the one who bodged it and legged it! Nothing wrong with 2nd hand parts; often 2nd hand original parts are better than new after market; i mean original parts are always best.
Yes mate
We don't actually know enough of the story to make a judgement. We don't know what the owner has done or the other garages either. So I don't see the point in asking for our judgement on this.
Why cant manufacturers provide the owner the wiring diagrams to their own cars? Its their car once they bought it. Would help to have correct stuff
If only things with that simple they don't like sharing that sort of information for free anyway
The struggle is real i tell ya
And the customer complaining 100 euro to put in a 5 euro relais in.
Customers always complain lol
Charge the customer. If they have an issue they can go back to original garage and haggle
Thanks mate
The stupid engineers that designed that fuse box should foot the bill. Clearly looking at it, it looks like there should be 2 relays. The people making the wiring diagram where probably confused too. lol
It's never easy there's always something that throws you but we fixed it that's all that matters lol
The customer always pays. He went to a stupid shop it's his her fault for putting trust in a place that they didn't' research first. You always have to get paid for your valuable time. Your time isn't free. You can be making money on someone's else car. customer must pay up if they want it fix right. Unless customer never approve on the work then it's on you if you just want to be nice and solve their problem. If you tell them it could take hours and if they are willing to pay it and they say yes then they have to pay. You give them the bill. If they are too cheap or don't have the money or care to spend too much on a old car and say no then you don't do the work only what they pay for. They can show the bill to the original shop and work out a compromise with the original shops to refund a portion of the diagnoses that fail to find fix the problem. The customer can always take the shop to small claims court if they refuse to do anything. They can also leave bad feedback reviews if they simply refuse to work with the customer. You can give them a little one time discount but not too much. You aren't a charity. They should know to always come to you first next time to avoid paying a bunch of lame useless shops.
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Well. Who pays? The person that brought it to you because they couldn't find the problem. They pay for what you know, not what you do. They tried "Tryagnostics" and didn't fix it. IMHO.
Thanks mate
LEON SORRY ABOUT THE WRONG NAME , WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN .
It's ok mate I've been called an awful lot worse lol