Some camera manufacturer should own the computational photography niche - something like iPhone/Android capabilities but with the benefit of high quality lenses. OM is the furthest along on this with build in ND, focus stacking, etc. and this would be a way for them to carve out a niche.
I’d love to see them do this as some sort of retro-style camera, whether it’s upmarket with a new Pen F or consumer-centric like an XZ revival. Add LUTs to compete with Fuji and the S9. They have the heritage, they just need to do something with it.
Maybe I'm slow, but it took me some time to make the connection that Jeremy was to be seen as part of the PP team and not a guest. I spent half the video trying to figure out why the treated their guests so differently.
I have absolutely loved both episodes with Becca, and I hope you have her on the podcast more often! On that note, I think she's right: I think we'll see a ton of cheap(er) point and shoot cameras in 2025.
@@vacciniumaugustifolium1420 I'm all for it. Yeah I know screens are rectangle blah blah but sometimes it feels like a ripoff, not technically getting everything out of a lens, like my lens is circular so why not the sensor?!? Probably the main thing is it'd be worse for silicon die yield since it's a less efficient use of space. Square is an OK compromise in that case.
As a foveon apokogist i have to say that the SD Quattro is fantastic to hold and use and the image quality is fantastic aswell. Plus if youre into full spectrum/infrated photography its hard to beat
Here's a crazy one: If Fujifilm make a half-frame rangefinder, they could use their X-mount lenses on it. The flange distance would work perfectly as a rangefinder won't need a mirror, and the image circle would work too if they shave a millimeter of off the half-frame to bring it closer to APS-C frame size.
13:46 : Sorry Jordan, but when the D500 released in 2016, Fujifilm was already at their 3rd genertion X-Trans III, the one generation that finally vrought things like accurate AF-C autofocus, good tracking, faster burst rates, great video quality, dual card slots and overall really nice pro bodies in the shape of the X-Pro2 and X-T2, with some really nice enthusiast cameras alongside like the X100F. Fujifilm was very much in full swing in 2016, it's not like the D500 had no competion at all in the enthusiast / prosumer market, both for camera bodies (the X-T2 was quite a competent hybrid camera in 2016) and lenses
the X-T2 had a great IQ, nice for street, landscape and portrait but nothing to compare with 3D AF from Nikon at this time. The X-T3 came 2 years later and it did put Fujifilm in the front row seat for apsc body. Again, great camera but not for wildlife and action enthousiasm.
@birdnerdqc4028 good, cause that was not the type of camera I was talking about. The X-T2 had (has?) great AF for photojournalism and event photography and as such was used by many pros, especially wedding photographers, where the X-T2 provided good IQ, accurate AF and great feature set (weather sealing, great controls, dual card slots, large viewfinder) at an affordable pricepoint and in a manageable and unassuming package. It wasn't a D500 competitor for sports and action
I love film too, Jaron. Come on Chris and put a roll through one of the old cameras you used to sell. I was in camera sales in the late 80's early 90's and have go back into it to slow down the process. T Pan was good, but you can still get Ilford Pan F and other slow films! Great show guys.
Compacts already HAVE made a comeback 😅 Becca is completely correct. Whatever new compacts come out will be there for family and tourist use. On the other hand, there isn't that much demand after all, so there only really need to be at most 2 models each at a couple different price points.
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OM has been cleaning their stock of om5 for awhile now because afaik beginning with 2025 they will not be able to sell a camera with micro usb port in Europe, they simply must switch to usb-c. The same probably applies to pen ep7 which is still being sold in some parts of the world, Europe/Poland and Asia/Japan for example. I'm also waiting for pen and om5 successors impatiently, especially in terms of power delivery, AF, video features and portability. Just imagine open gate on ma micro43 sensor... :)
Lens selection is already restricted on 60 megapixels, I feel like it'll be really hard to find and manufacture 35mm lenses that can resolve 90 megapixels.
@@birdnerdqc4028 Even an APS-C 40 STILL just has to resolve 40 megapixels. There are a LOT of Sony and Minolta lenses that I used on my a7RIII that I just can't on my a7RV. It's weird because even resized the flaws are pronounced WILDLY.
28:25 Best thing about this: They could sell you specialized films that resemble the looks of your film simulations you already know from their digital cameras. Big brain marketing move.
I've been using the A7R4 for several years and love it. The A7R5 didn't offer me enough to spend the money for what would not be a better image, just faster focus and menus. BUT a 90 meg pix allows me to leave a lens at home when traveling and that is significant. Cropping is the issue and that is the benefit to a yet to be seen A7R6. I'm anxious.
A7R series doesn't need more resolution - 60mp is already pushing pixel density on a full frame sensor as far as needed before serious tradeoffs come into play, and it'll only impede the advancement which really matters: speed.
Sony bring back the RX line as a 1” sensor technology demonstrator (RX10/100) with modern battery and focus. There really hasn’t been any WOW moments in photography since the A9 , A7S releases, everything is incremental improvement, a new RX line would really ad interest again given that all brands are experiencing a persistent and consistent slowdown in interchangeable lens camera sales - make the RX line great again for the vast majority of bird, wildlife sports photography enthusiasts and travel photographers who want image quality to match the memories in a small package without needing the smartphone / Frustration brick “experience “ which doesn’t match the optical capability of zoom point and shoots.MAKE PHOTOGRAPHY FUN AGAIN with a RX you can grow into and experiment with without attracting attention like a full frame 600mm definitely will.
It’s interesting that Chris said OM System already released an OM-10, which they haven’t. I definitely hope they do it next year, and the OM-5 mkII. Both need to be very exciting, and the OM-5 II preferably not being made of plastic. I really think that MFT offers what the vast majority of photographers need, and I want OM to put themselves in position to benefit from Canon, Nikon and Sony positioning APS-C cameras as beginner only, which I think is a big mistake on their part. I’m also doubtful that the OM-1 mkII was a carry-over from Olympus. The OM-1 was, but the mkII was surely something that OM System post-sale came up with themselves. Because it seems to me that it included a lot of improvements requested by the community after the OM-1 came out. So how could it be an Olympus thing?
Heres the deal....most folks don't know what they are missing and have never even thought of OM Systems as a prospect...however, if folks would just try one for a period of time they would realize it's a great all around affordable system for still photography. I have used professionally many Sony's Nikon's Fuji, Canon's systems...I always missed OM's which I also used back in the 70's. My go to system today is OM Systems , not only for value, economics, IQ, speed, focus, color science, ruggedness, lens selection/quality, but for their features no one else provides these days.
If Fujifilm wants to go film; a 6x7 or 6x4.5 would be good; maybe use the GFX lenses? The Pro market would use it; and the cross sell of lenses would make sense.
My predictions for 2025? - Nikon: S-line 14mm or 16mm (maybe 1.8S), 24-70/28-70 f2S, Z5ii in May and Z9ii in October. Z5ii will be the Zf in a Z6iii body without the top LCD, with 2 SD slots, for $1500. - Sony: A7S series is dead/no successor. Agree that a new higher res A7R is coming, but im not sure how to predict the specs of A7v - either a similar partially stacked 24MP seen in nikon's Z6iii, or a new faster conventional 33mp / 7000 pixels wide sensor and do maybe a 1.1x, 1.2x crop for 6k video. - Canon: I actually think Canon will continue to not allow full frame third party lenses, at least for another year. R6iii in Q1 using the R3's sensor, R7ii in Q3 with a stacked APSC sensor, and maybe the return of the M6ii form factor as a new model in the RF apsc lineup. I also do think Olympus PEN will return. Don't really care much about what Ricoh, Fuji and Panasonic does but Panasonic really do need to update the S1 series fast.
Predictions of mine... 1. Content creators will continue to be dismayed that sensor resolutions do not increase as quickly as they think they should. Even though almost nobody needs 100MP. 2. Real advances in AF will be minimal. 3. More third-party RF lenses...lots more. 4. Global shutters will not be a big thing, but great advances will be made in sensor read speeds. (Less than 10ms will be the norm in new, pro cameras).
I miss dark room work because I'm itself in was really fun and a good skill to have. But spending a hundred quid a month just to develop fun and get a contract sheet, or seeing a photo op in the evening and realising you have a new reel of iso 200 in the camera, I do not miss!
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@@obscurelines I still have all my darkroom equipment (which is virtually worthless now) and a couple daylight loaders with film in them expired for at least a decade. The last time my darkroom was used was close to 20 years ago, I really did enjoy it at the time but enjoy digital even more. There is nothing quite like seeing an image slowly appear on a sheet of photo paper in a tray of developer. I do miss that.
I loved listening to these predictions! Based on the concerted effort to get Hasselblad cameras in the hands of as many TH-camrs as possible, I think Hasselblad will pull the trigger on a new body, starting with an X1D III that includes faster, more reliable autofocus and a joystick to please critics. I'm holding out on switching systems until they add such features to the X2D II 100C.
I tried to view some Apple HEIF jpgs on my windows pc and they would not display. I need to go through some conversion procedure. So I hope the browsers can add support for HEIF
Re: Budget monitor: I recently bought a 27” ASUS ProArt 4K monitor for about CA$600 to use with my MacBook Pro. Great colour out of the box. Highly recommended.
1:09:32 I don’t think the lenses would have to be sideways, as they all project circular images onto the imaging plane. It would just be a vertical “crop” of that image circle rather than a horizontal one.
That would be a pretty slick feature.. Wish camera's had an option to change sensors from lower to higher megapixel count. It would probably introduce a whole range of different issues; making us sacrifice some light or giving more grain, but it would be such an interesting option.
Prediction: Leica will make a rangefinder style L-mount camera. Essentially an SL in a Q body. They could just use the same SL3/Q3 guts. They'd release pancake lenses along with it, hopefully with aperture rings.
I Think sensor tech is bumping up into to some hard stops on performance, hence the slight compromised DR on the Z7 III vs z6 II, Therefore I think those next get high MP cameras are not coming soon, unless there is a new electronics topology trick or material enhancements that can bump the readout speed without other compromises (DR focus speed etc) I expect we are sticking with 50-60 MP for the time being.
For the Apple Aperture prediction. With both of their other two main pro software options, Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro being single purchases for $300 USD I would expect them to release it as Aperture Pro and set the price at a single purchase of $300. Apple likes their traditional pricing.
The camera store I work in anyone between the age of 15 and 25 would come in and buy these old used digital pointing shoot cameras for 100 bucks 200 bucks 300 bucks. We have absolutely could not keep them on the shelf for longer than a few days.
I‘m totally with you King Chris Niccolls @1:10:06 A square sensor would be great! I actually don’t understand Hasselblad that they haven’t done it yet, because it’s their legacy.
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phase one 100mpx prints in A1 format or bigger in gallery look awesome... like it's better than real life by far so I do believe there's a place for 100+ mpx, just very little people appreciate it
I found Chris’s comment about Kodak Technical Pan to be parallel to the discussion of higher resolution sensors. I know many who shot Tri X exclusively. I loved Plus X and miss it. I never shot Technical Pan but did shoot Pan X and appreciated its extremely fine and smooth grain. I think that there is still room for improvement in sensor technology. Producing a high resolution yet low noise sensor would still be desirable in many shooting situations. Although most people would be okay with a 24mp sensor with moderate noise.
The first camera I think ON systems should bring out is a camera for the travel & street photographer who feels that they’ve been forgotten about, a brand new pen-f style camera I feel would help them gain back some market share, The second thing I want to see , is a brand new top, the line, professional, flagship camera with all the latest technology and with the best weather ceiling on the market, all new OM-1X slightly smaller & lighter than E-M1X that it replaces, OM systems needs a professional flagship camera that compliments their super telephoto lenses, especially big white, also like to see them introduce 50-250mm f/3.5 is pro more likely when the furthest lens does come out they’ll be known as mini white, two years ago, there were some talk of this all new 50-250mm f/3.5 is pro on Len‘s map. Haven’t heard about anything since.
Thanks to CN & JD Zoom app will soon have an alcohol teleportation feature just so yall fine folks can do a drinking game while reminiscing all the things that happend through out the year:3
nikon zs with optical or just evf but rangefinder style body and z73/2.5 with same sensor e7 and better evf and the four leaf command dial on the left shoulder
Japanese camera companies are an enigma (not in a good way). On forums for many years people have tried to predict if or when a camera will be released or discontinued and they're always wrong. These companies seem happily insulated from their customers and move very little for years at a time and when you least expect it, release multiple cameras without warning. The safest prediction would be nothing of consequence will happen and you'd be right but also boring. So keep being exciting and wrong it's the only way to live.
Here's my bold predictions: 1. Canon opens up it FF lens mount, 2. Sigma makes a Foveon camera - for MFTs and calls it the SIG-F, 3. Hell freezes over. :) Merry Christmas all!
We don't need it. Keep the GRIIIX. 1. They'll never get the AF competitive because they don't have the R&D it will be minor and incremental at best. At worst it will be the same but with more UI boxes and confirmation noises like Fujifilm did. 2. They'll never have reasonable weather sealing with a collapsable lens. 3. They can barely manufacture buttons and dials that aren't flimsy, their first attempt at a flip screen will break within 2 weeks. 4. 40mp sensor in the GRIII would be the GRIIIr. 5. The battery life is fine. Buy more batteries and reload. At best they'll get 1.5x the juice in a new battery design, buying an extra of the current battery will get you 2x the juice. 6. EVF makes no sense on the GR format, if you need an EVF then you need to find a different camera. 7. Off-camera flash is better in every single way. Just buy a compact one for your hotshoe it will add almost no size and it has all the benefits of it's own battery so you cycle faster, not drain your camera battery, and even change the flash settings via dial for some of them. Plus, you can fire it indirect for less of a dungeon kidnapper Polaroid vibe. Enjoy your GRIIIx, they will only disappoint you with the IV.
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60 Megapixels is the limit for full frame due to diffraction which becomes clearly visible at F16.
Jordan… shave your head and mustache then let it all grow back at the same time… take hourly selfie pictures that you turn into an epic photojournalistic time-lapse movie with voice over reading your diary entries over the whole period it would be a-may-zing. Love ya baby.
OM Systems - MFT version of Lumix S9 ... with LUT options and a revamped OI Share app. Maybe a digital version of the old Trip 35 ... e.g. a fixed lens with LUT capability.
I recommend everyone to have embedded enclosures and replace the housing. Recycle those old metal floppy disk drives and get yourself a compact and temperature efficient enclosure filled with thermal tape.
Kodachrome 64, Agfa CT18 and Velvia 50 are films We all need available in 120; Yes Jeron I have used all 3 back in the day.
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Fuji will release a film camera, but it will be a half-frame and they will use their aps-c lens on it Sony will relase RX1R III with A7R V sensor, and price close to A1 Tamron will bring a surprisingly good prime
100 Mpx is alright... only if iq is there, because low light will suffer. I went from 24MPx to 60MPx and I can see the improvement, you can extra zoom 1 step more and still see quite a lot of detail, but it is getting to the point of diminishing returns.
1:17:50 I bought two color accurate Asus ProArt 248Q monitors over a decade ago. They were 400€ a piece. PA248QV is only 170$ at Amazon right now. They've been great. I don't use them anymore but I still have them and they're still fine. 4K ProArt monitors aren't as cheap but the one that I have (PA329CV, 32") is only 530$ on US Amazon right now.
If this is a fantasy world I want to see two things... 1. I want to see Sony integrate a full Android UI into a camera. An Xperia/Alpha collab with the ability to install apps and just tap icons rather than scrolling through menus makes a lot of sense given that most people come to 'proper' cameras from phones now. Maybe start with a fixed lens bridge camera or a new RX1, and test the water! 2. This is an ultimate work of fantasy but Fuji releasing a full frame version of the X100 series. It's fixed lens so no need for a new FF lens mount or range of lenses... And that camera would sell such unfeasibly giant numbers it would make the X100VI look like a flop. If Fuji like money, they'd consider it. If not, do a medium format version... They already have all the parts. No? Alright, it was worth a try. Let's be honest, though... We'll probably just get the same camera formulas/designs with incremental tech-spec improvements, so I'll likely stick with my 2017/18 bodies (Fuji X-T3 and Sony A7R III) which still fit all my needs as a stills shooter... And continue to spend all my money on glass. Could be worse!
More Nikon ultra/wide-angle primes would be welcome. Would be nice to pop on a budget 16mm f/2.8 lens versus a larger and more expensive wide-angle zoom lens when I want to go wider than 24mm.
Ohh, it’s a Moustache! Not a pair of copulating garden tiger-moths then, as I had initially surmised. It’s kind of a relief, I guess. Imagine the awkward situations that might spring forth during filming!
What if you guys created a separate channel called tech support by petapixel and each question becomes its own video? Obviously y'all can batch produce, but I think it would be a wonderful resource for the photo and video community.
My predictions: partially stacked sensors will become more common. I’m thinking A7RVI with 61MP partially stacked sensor that eliminates issues with scanning speed at cost of a little bit of DR. Nikon will tease more RED technology and integration into their future high end flagship cameras.
The giant megapixel syndrome is solely/mostly for pixel peepers and studio work...and many of those will move to medium formats...you honestly need no more that 40ish pixels, computational ai will probably get even better as well. Super high megapixels will certain make your technical faults more evident, of course. But there are some drawbacks in hardware as well. I'm with the OM System (yes I'm a fan) predictions, my fingers crossed. I would suggest everyone try using an OM System camera for awhile, they will then understand why they just work. Nice segment...always enjoy the guests as well...! BTW Jordan needs to grow some pork chops!
For the guy look for a screen. You can get a Benq SW240 for under 300 dollars new. Used even cheaper. It has 100% adobeRGB and the possibility for hardware calibration.
The boldest prediction: Chris and Jordan will finally begin to review Viltrox lenses
Would actually make so much sense
NEVER TAKE IT OFF JORDAN. Our mustaches need to shill together.
As an m43 shooter, I predict the m43 will die once again according to TH-camrs and OM System will probably just rerelease the OM5 with a USBC port.
I mean its pretty much dead, panasonic doesnt even bother to update their premium $$$ lenses with weather sealing
@@doublevgreen which premium lenses do you have in mind? most I can think of already have weather sealing.
@@doublevgreenthey released a new flagship stills and video body… not bad for a niche market
@@greybill there are only two primes with weather sealing
@@greybill The Lumix 15 mm f1.7, 12mm f1.4, and the 45mm f1.2
Fujifilm making a high end film body is genuinely the wildest out there prediction. It really does look like they’re done with film.
Some camera manufacturer should own the computational photography niche - something like iPhone/Android capabilities but with the benefit of high quality lenses. OM is the furthest along on this with build in ND, focus stacking, etc. and this would be a way for them to carve out a niche.
They would be the perfect candidate to do it too considering the smaller sensors could greatly benefit from it
I’d love to see them do this as some sort of retro-style camera, whether it’s upmarket with a new Pen F or consumer-centric like an XZ revival. Add LUTs to compete with Fuji and the S9. They have the heritage, they just need to do something with it.
I'm only here for Nikon predictions.
😂😊
Maybe I'm slow, but it took me some time to make the connection that Jeremy was to be seen as part of the PP team and not a guest. I spent half the video trying to figure out why the treated their guests so differently.
Jordan’s mustache makes him look like a police or fire department union rep.
Enjoyed Chris’s disdain for point and shoot camera names.
I have absolutely loved both episodes with Becca, and I hope you have her on the podcast more often! On that note, I think she's right: I think we'll see a ton of cheap(er) point and shoot cameras in 2025.
Thanks guys! And so nice to see Becca on your show again! I'm a big fan of the vibe Becca puts out when talking tech and cameras...
1:10:18 YES! High mpx SQUARE sensor is something I’ve always wanted and needs to happen from somebody!
how about a circle sensor who catch 100% of the light transmitted by the lens? Say bye to vignetting! say hi to a ring-vignette! :) b
@@vacciniumaugustifolium1420 I'm all for it. Yeah I know screens are rectangle blah blah but sometimes it feels like a ripoff, not technically getting everything out of a lens, like my lens is circular so why not the sensor?!? Probably the main thing is it'd be worse for silicon die yield since it's a less efficient use of space. Square is an OK compromise in that case.
As a foveon apokogist i have to say that the SD Quattro is fantastic to hold and use and the image quality is fantastic aswell. Plus if youre into full spectrum/infrated photography its hard to beat
I speak for the entire internet when I say that We ❤ Becca!!!
No, you don't speak for the entire Internet.
You definitely don't I find her incredibly irritating
@@jonathanparkes8977 let's see if they keep your comment as they deleted mine twice...
@@pdp11 I meant everyone except you.
@@jonathanparkes8977 I felt the same about my little sister growing up, but I still loved her.
The 90mpix chat was interesting.
Here’s me in 2024 and onwards still rocking 24mpix and loving it 🤣
Good vid and predictions team 🤙
S5R lets go
Will Jaren join Chris and Jordan in their annual end-of-year drinking video? Also, Jordan should keep the mustache.
Here's a crazy one: If Fujifilm make a half-frame rangefinder, they could use their X-mount lenses on it. The flange distance would work perfectly as a rangefinder won't need a mirror, and the image circle would work too if they shave a millimeter of off the half-frame to bring it closer to APS-C frame size.
13:46 : Sorry Jordan, but when the D500 released in 2016, Fujifilm was already at their 3rd genertion X-Trans III, the one generation that finally vrought things like accurate AF-C autofocus, good tracking, faster burst rates, great video quality, dual card slots and overall really nice pro bodies in the shape of the X-Pro2 and X-T2, with some really nice enthusiast cameras alongside like the X100F.
Fujifilm was very much in full swing in 2016, it's not like the D500 had no competion at all in the enthusiast / prosumer market, both for camera bodies (the X-T2 was quite a competent hybrid camera in 2016) and lenses
the X-T2 had a great IQ, nice for street, landscape and portrait but nothing to compare with 3D AF from Nikon at this time. The X-T3 came 2 years later and it did put Fujifilm in the front row seat for apsc body. Again, great camera but not for wildlife and action enthousiasm.
@birdnerdqc4028 good, cause that was not the type of camera I was talking about.
The X-T2 had (has?) great AF for photojournalism and event photography and as such was used by many pros, especially wedding photographers, where the X-T2 provided good IQ, accurate AF and great feature set (weather sealing, great controls, dual card slots, large viewfinder) at an affordable pricepoint and in a manageable and unassuming package. It wasn't a D500 competitor for sports and action
I can't stop looking at Becca's lighting, very well made. Glad to see you all on podcast again!
I love film too, Jaron. Come on Chris and put a roll through one of the old cameras you used to sell. I was in camera sales in the late 80's early 90's and have go back into it to slow down the process. T Pan was good, but you can still get Ilford Pan F and other slow films! Great show guys.
Jordan : Leave the stash. Grow the goatee. Shave the head.
Now that is some bold advice!
WULTAH!
Take the canoli
Great video. I love the guests' energy and I agree with Becca on the compacts coming back.
FOVEON!!! ❤❤❤❤❤
Lets get a Pentax K1 iii finally and a GR iv with the monochrome sensor
Jordan, what is the model number of your Asus monitor?
Compacts already HAVE made a comeback 😅
Becca is completely correct. Whatever new compacts come out will be there for family and tourist use.
On the other hand, there isn't that much demand after all, so there only really need to be at most 2 models each at a couple different price points.
OM has been cleaning their stock of om5 for awhile now because afaik beginning with 2025 they will not be able to sell a camera with micro usb port in Europe, they simply must switch to usb-c. The same probably applies to pen ep7 which is still being sold in some parts of the world, Europe/Poland and Asia/Japan for example. I'm also waiting for pen and om5 successors impatiently, especially in terms of power delivery, AF, video features and portability. Just imagine open gate on ma micro43 sensor... :)
Lens selection is already restricted on 60 megapixels, I feel like it'll be really hard to find and manufacture 35mm lenses that can resolve 90 megapixels.
If Fuji can make it with apsc 40mp, why not sony with 90, but prepare yourself to throw a kindney or 2 🤣
@@birdnerdqc4028 Even an APS-C 40 STILL just has to resolve 40 megapixels. There are a LOT of Sony and Minolta lenses that I used on my a7RIII that I just can't on my a7RV. It's weird because even resized the flaws are pronounced WILDLY.
28:25 Best thing about this: They could sell you specialized films that resemble the looks of your film simulations you already know from their digital cameras. Big brain marketing move.
I've been using the A7R4 for several years and love it. The A7R5 didn't offer me enough to spend the money for what would not be a better image, just faster focus and menus. BUT a 90 meg pix allows me to leave a lens at home when traveling and that is significant. Cropping is the issue and that is the benefit to a yet to be seen A7R6. I'm anxious.
A7R series doesn't need more resolution - 60mp is already pushing pixel density on a full frame sensor as far as needed before serious tradeoffs come into play, and it'll only impede the advancement which really matters: speed.
Sony bring back the RX line as a 1” sensor technology demonstrator (RX10/100) with modern battery and focus. There really hasn’t been any WOW moments in photography since the A9 , A7S releases, everything is incremental improvement, a new RX line would really ad interest again given that all brands are experiencing a persistent and consistent slowdown in interchangeable lens camera sales - make the RX line great again for the vast majority of bird, wildlife sports photography enthusiasts and travel photographers who want image quality to match the memories in a small package without needing the smartphone / Frustration brick “experience “ which doesn’t match the optical capability of zoom point and shoots.MAKE PHOTOGRAPHY FUN AGAIN with a RX you can grow into and experiment with without attracting attention like a full frame 600mm definitely will.
It’s interesting that Chris said OM System already released an OM-10, which they haven’t. I definitely hope they do it next year, and the OM-5 mkII. Both need to be very exciting, and the OM-5 II preferably not being made of plastic. I really think that MFT offers what the vast majority of photographers need, and I want OM to put themselves in position to benefit from Canon, Nikon and Sony positioning APS-C cameras as beginner only, which I think is a big mistake on their part.
I’m also doubtful that the OM-1 mkII was a carry-over from Olympus. The OM-1 was, but the mkII was surely something that OM System post-sale came up with themselves. Because it seems to me that it included a lot of improvements requested by the community after the OM-1 came out. So how could it be an Olympus thing?
Heres the deal....most folks don't know what they are missing and have never even thought of OM Systems as a prospect...however, if folks would just try one for a period of time they would realize it's a great all around affordable system for still photography. I have used professionally many Sony's Nikon's Fuji, Canon's systems...I always missed OM's which I also used back in the 70's. My go to system today is OM Systems , not only for value, economics, IQ, speed, focus, color science, ruggedness, lens selection/quality, but for their features no one else provides these days.
If Fujifilm wants to go film; a 6x7 or 6x4.5 would be good; maybe use the GFX lenses? The Pro market would use it; and the cross sell of lenses would make sense.
I'm still digging my Point & Shoot Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3 🥰
My predictions for 2025?
- Nikon: S-line 14mm or 16mm (maybe 1.8S), 24-70/28-70 f2S, Z5ii in May and Z9ii in October. Z5ii will be the Zf in a Z6iii body without the top LCD, with 2 SD slots, for $1500.
- Sony: A7S series is dead/no successor. Agree that a new higher res A7R is coming, but im not sure how to predict the specs of A7v - either a similar partially stacked 24MP seen in nikon's Z6iii, or a new faster conventional 33mp / 7000 pixels wide sensor and do maybe a 1.1x, 1.2x crop for 6k video.
- Canon: I actually think Canon will continue to not allow full frame third party lenses, at least for another year. R6iii in Q1 using the R3's sensor, R7ii in Q3 with a stacked APSC sensor, and maybe the return of the M6ii form factor as a new model in the RF apsc lineup.
I also do think Olympus PEN will return. Don't really care much about what Ricoh, Fuji and Panasonic does but Panasonic really do need to update the S1 series fast.
No nikon Z30 ii?
@@petersuvara I personally think Zfc ii will come first before the Z30ii, simply for being the older one between the two. Zfc ii is indeed possible.
finger cross for ultrawide 14mm ! Canon have a great 16mm 2.8 but yep, 1.8 for astro would be nice!
Predictions of mine...
1. Content creators will continue to be dismayed that sensor resolutions do not increase as quickly as they think they should. Even though almost nobody needs 100MP.
2. Real advances in AF will be minimal.
3. More third-party RF lenses...lots more.
4. Global shutters will not be a big thing, but great advances will be made in sensor read speeds. (Less than 10ms will be the norm in new, pro cameras).
Jordan: keep the stache, grow some mutton chops, throw on some aviators and a flannel shirt, and you're good 😎
Little known fact: Jordan’s nickname is “Mutton Chop”.
Becca is great. Bring her more often!
Otherwise: I love the prediction episodes.
Seems that people who currently love film weren't around when that was the only available option.
I miss dark room work because I'm itself in was really fun and a good skill to have. But spending a hundred quid a month just to develop fun and get a contract sheet, or seeing a photo op in the evening and realising you have a new reel of iso 200 in the camera, I do not miss!
@@obscurelines I still have all my darkroom equipment (which is virtually worthless now) and a couple daylight loaders with film in them expired for at least a decade. The last time my darkroom was used was close to 20 years ago, I really did enjoy it at the time but enjoy digital even more. There is nothing quite like seeing an image slowly appear on a sheet of photo paper in a tray of developer. I do miss that.
I loved listening to these predictions! Based on the concerted effort to get Hasselblad cameras in the hands of as many TH-camrs as possible, I think Hasselblad will pull the trigger on a new body, starting with an X1D III that includes faster, more reliable autofocus and a joystick to please critics. I'm holding out on switching systems until they add such features to the X2D II 100C.
I tried to view some Apple HEIF jpgs on my windows pc and they would not display.
I need to go through some conversion procedure.
So I hope the browsers can add support for HEIF
Re: Budget monitor: I recently bought a 27” ASUS ProArt 4K monitor for about CA$600 to use with my MacBook Pro. Great colour out of the box. Highly recommended.
1:09:32 I don’t think the lenses would have to be sideways, as they all project circular images onto the imaging plane. It would just be a vertical “crop” of that image circle rather than a horizontal one.
Om-TG7 is a Olympus hold over but it has been rebranded. I love it!
That would be a pretty slick feature.. Wish camera's had an option to change sensors from lower to higher megapixel count. It would probably introduce a whole range of different issues; making us sacrifice some light or giving more grain, but it would be such an interesting option.
Prediction: Leica will make a rangefinder style L-mount camera. Essentially an SL in a Q body. They could just use the same SL3/Q3 guts. They'd release pancake lenses along with it, hopefully with aperture rings.
Rock the stache Jordan!
Becca! Nice! Definitely listening to this later, hopefully Panasonic gives us a smaller m43 body with all the improvements in 2025....
I Think sensor tech is bumping up into to some hard stops on performance, hence the slight compromised DR on the Z7 III vs z6 II, Therefore I think those next get high MP cameras are not coming soon, unless there is a new electronics topology trick or material enhancements that can bump the readout speed without other compromises (DR focus speed etc) I expect we are sticking with 50-60 MP for the time being.
For the Apple Aperture prediction. With both of their other two main pro software options, Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro being single purchases for $300 USD I would expect them to release it as Aperture Pro and set the price at a single purchase of $300. Apple likes their traditional pricing.
apple bought pixelmatr and Photomator, why should they rename them ..
I still use Aperture...it's great!
The camera store I work in anyone between the age of 15 and 25 would come in and buy these old used digital pointing shoot cameras for 100 bucks 200 bucks 300 bucks. We have absolutely could not keep them on the shelf for longer than a few days.
I'm with Jordan on the Z5 II prediction because it's what I'm waiting for for my first mirrorless. I do hope they keep the screen tilt.
I‘m totally with you King Chris Niccolls @1:10:06 A square sensor would be great! I actually don’t understand Hasselblad that they haven’t done it yet, because it’s their legacy.
phase one 100mpx prints in A1 format or bigger in gallery look awesome... like it's better than real life by far
so I do believe there's a place for 100+ mpx, just very little people appreciate it
fuji TX2....?
Digital TLR! 😊
but not a mirrorless tlr
@, I’m with you. I want to focus on the ground glass!
I found Chris’s comment about Kodak Technical Pan to be parallel to the discussion of higher resolution sensors. I know many who shot Tri X exclusively. I loved Plus X and miss it. I never shot Technical Pan but did shoot Pan X and appreciated its extremely fine and smooth grain. I think that there is still room for improvement in sensor technology. Producing a high resolution yet low noise sensor would still be desirable in many shooting situations. Although most people would be okay with a 24mp sensor with moderate noise.
The first camera I think ON systems should bring out is a camera for the travel & street photographer who feels that they’ve been forgotten about, a brand new pen-f style camera I feel would help them gain back some market share,
The second thing I want to see , is a brand new top, the line, professional, flagship camera with all the latest technology and with the best weather ceiling on the market, all new OM-1X slightly smaller & lighter than E-M1X that it replaces, OM systems needs a professional flagship camera that compliments their super telephoto lenses, especially big white, also like to see them introduce 50-250mm f/3.5 is pro more likely when the furthest lens does come out they’ll be known as mini white, two years ago, there were some talk of this all new 50-250mm f/3.5 is pro on Len‘s map. Haven’t heard about anything since.
Cross your fingers! I concur
If they ever do, bring out an all new OM-1X it should have very slightly bigger buttons and dials that was on the original X model.
Bold prediction: OM System OM-5 with 30MP stacked MFT sensor.
(What? Leapfrog the OM-1? - Yep. They've done it before.)
Thanks to CN & JD Zoom app will soon have an alcohol teleportation feature just so yall fine folks can do a drinking game while reminiscing all the things that happend through out the year:3
nikon zs with optical or just evf but rangefinder style body and z73/2.5 with same sensor e7 and better evf and the four leaf command dial on the left shoulder
Looks like Leica knows the market best.
Keep the moustache Jordan. It looks fabulous!
fantastic questions and engagement from Becca in this group.
On the Tamron video you showed, one of the shots looked very suspicially like a shot I took on a Tamron lens!!
Japanese camera companies are an enigma (not in a good way). On forums for many years people have tried to predict if or when a camera will be released or discontinued and they're always wrong. These companies seem happily insulated from their customers and move very little for years at a time and when you least expect it, release multiple cameras without warning. The safest prediction would be nothing of consequence will happen and you'd be right but also boring. So keep being exciting and wrong it's the only way to live.
New generation every 3 to 4 years in established distinct segments, you're welcome
Here's my bold predictions: 1. Canon opens up it FF lens mount, 2. Sigma makes a Foveon camera - for MFTs and calls it the SIG-F, 3. Hell freezes over. :) Merry Christmas all!
GOD I love beccas voice ; )
The most interesting camera in 2025 will be the Ricoh GR IVx
We don't need it. Keep the GRIIIX.
1. They'll never get the AF competitive because they don't have the R&D it will be minor and incremental at best. At worst it will be the same but with more UI boxes and confirmation noises like Fujifilm did.
2. They'll never have reasonable weather sealing with a collapsable lens.
3. They can barely manufacture buttons and dials that aren't flimsy, their first attempt at a flip screen will break within 2 weeks.
4. 40mp sensor in the GRIII would be the GRIIIr.
5. The battery life is fine. Buy more batteries and reload. At best they'll get 1.5x the juice in a new battery design, buying an extra of the current battery will get you 2x the juice.
6. EVF makes no sense on the GR format, if you need an EVF then you need to find a different camera.
7. Off-camera flash is better in every single way. Just buy a compact one for your hotshoe it will add almost no size and it has all the benefits of it's own battery so you cycle faster, not drain your camera battery, and even change the flash settings via dial for some of them. Plus, you can fire it indirect for less of a dungeon kidnapper Polaroid vibe.
Enjoy your GRIIIx, they will only disappoint you with the IV.
60 Megapixels is the limit for full frame due to diffraction which becomes clearly visible at F16.
Which odd-ball old tech will return first, Sigma's Foveon sensor, or Mazda's rotary engine?
Jordan… shave your head and mustache then let it all grow back at the same time… take hourly selfie pictures that you turn into an epic photojournalistic time-lapse movie with voice over reading your diary entries over the whole period it would be a-may-zing. Love ya baby.
Z9 II will be a stellar video camera ;)
Full frame Foveon and Fusion power will arrive at the same time.
OM Systems - MFT version of Lumix S9 ... with LUT options and a revamped OI Share app. Maybe a digital version of the old Trip 35 ... e.g. a fixed lens with LUT capability.
I recommend everyone to have embedded enclosures and replace the housing. Recycle those old metal floppy disk drives and get yourself a compact and temperature efficient enclosure filled with thermal tape.
Kodachrome 64, Agfa CT18 and Velvia 50 are films We all need available in 120; Yes Jeron I have used all 3 back in the day.
Fuji will release a film camera, but it will be a half-frame and they will use their aps-c lens on it
Sony will relase RX1R III with A7R V sensor, and price close to A1
Tamron will bring a surprisingly good prime
100 Mpx is alright... only if iq is there, because low light will suffer. I went from 24MPx to 60MPx and I can see the improvement, you can extra zoom 1 step more and still see quite a lot of detail, but it is getting to the point of diminishing returns.
Phase One prediction?
Large megapixels - architectural drawings, paintings, historical preservations. Nikon Z9ii?
1:17:50 I bought two color accurate Asus ProArt 248Q monitors over a decade ago. They were 400€ a piece. PA248QV is only 170$ at Amazon right now. They've been great. I don't use them anymore but I still have them and they're still fine. 4K ProArt monitors aren't as cheap but the one that I have (PA329CV, 32") is only 530$ on US Amazon right now.
You guys neeed to do a 2025 end of year revisit of predictions
If this is a fantasy world I want to see two things...
1. I want to see Sony integrate a full Android UI into a camera. An Xperia/Alpha collab with the ability to install apps and just tap icons rather than scrolling through menus makes a lot of sense given that most people come to 'proper' cameras from phones now. Maybe start with a fixed lens bridge camera or a new RX1, and test the water!
2. This is an ultimate work of fantasy but Fuji releasing a full frame version of the X100 series. It's fixed lens so no need for a new FF lens mount or range of lenses... And that camera would sell such unfeasibly giant numbers it would make the X100VI look like a flop. If Fuji like money, they'd consider it. If not, do a medium format version... They already have all the parts. No? Alright, it was worth a try.
Let's be honest, though... We'll probably just get the same camera formulas/designs with incremental tech-spec improvements, so I'll likely stick with my 2017/18 bodies (Fuji X-T3 and Sony A7R III) which still fit all my needs as a stills shooter... And continue to spend all my money on glass. Could be worse!
More Nikon ultra/wide-angle primes would be welcome. Would be nice to pop on a budget 16mm f/2.8 lens versus a larger and more expensive wide-angle zoom lens when I want to go wider than 24mm.
BECCA! BECCA! BECCA! ❤
Ohh, it’s a Moustache! Not a pair of copulating garden tiger-moths then, as I had initially surmised. It’s kind of a relief, I guess. Imagine the awkward situations that might spring forth during filming!
What if you guys created a separate channel called tech support by petapixel and each question becomes its own video? Obviously y'all can batch produce, but I think it would be a wonderful resource for the photo and video community.
Donate your mustache to a museum for 1890’s baseball players.
Prediction: Ricoh will annouce an all new GRiii with exciting new brown lens ring
My predictions: partially stacked sensors will become more common. I’m thinking A7RVI with 61MP partially stacked sensor that eliminates issues with scanning speed at cost of a little bit of DR. Nikon will tease more RED technology and integration into their future high end flagship cameras.
I predict that next year, Chris will start using the length of Jordan's mustache as a unit of measure, similar to how the Noct is used for weight.
Can you tell us how your last years predictions went - Just for interest?
leave just the moustache, it genuinely looks great! You're one of the few people who can pull it off well.
Love how Jared told Chris choose one more and he quickly threw out both.
The giant megapixel syndrome is solely/mostly for pixel peepers and studio work...and many of those will move to medium formats...you honestly need no more that 40ish pixels, computational ai will probably get even better as well. Super high megapixels will certain make your technical faults more evident, of course. But there are some drawbacks in hardware as well. I'm with the OM System (yes I'm a fan) predictions, my fingers crossed. I would suggest everyone try using an OM System camera for awhile, they will then understand why they just work. Nice segment...always enjoy the guests as well...! BTW Jordan needs to grow some pork chops!
For the guy look for a screen. You can get a Benq SW240 for under 300 dollars new. Used even cheaper. It has 100% adobeRGB and the possibility for hardware calibration.