Going used is THE biggest recommendation I can give to a beginner. Lots of people getting into photography will get into a camera store, buy something for around a thousand bucks, play with it for a couple of months, get bored, let the camera on a shelf for 6 months and then sell it at a discounted price. That's how we get so many entry level cameras on the used market so quickly, not even a year after their release. Personally, I have never really used a camera that was brand new. My last brand new camera was my dad's Nikon D60 back in 2009. I started off with a used Fujifilm X-T1, then X-T2 and those cameras, if you can find them at a good price are really staples of what used cameras should be : in the case of the X-T2 you get a well built camera that actually feels great, has a great EVF, great back screen, tons of controls (which I should add, the Fujifilm vintage dials are PERFECT to learn photography when you don't have any knowledge of exposure etc, they really allow you to know what you're changing, see the effects of that) but they also have great features you generally don't see in lower end bodies : weather sealing, full magnesium alloy body (meaning it you can use it and not baby it, a lot of beginners end up not using their camera because they don't know how reliant it is and if they should use it or not, by fear of breaking it or destroying it if there's like a little rain outside or stuff like that). They also have still up to date sensors, the 24MP in the X-T2 is still absle to deliver image that are on par with current top of the line APS-C cameras in 2024. And lastly, in the case of teh X-T2, it's a camera that has decent looking video, decently accurate autofocus and has double card slots : beyond being just a beginer friendly camera it's a camera that has all the right things to allow somoene to grow into, leanr to use correctly and in the end it could be a profesionnal tool if you end up taking jobs with it. And what, it coest about the same as a brand new Canon R100? Has better image quality and better video to boot? Hard to justify something else that would be priced similarly on the brand new market. And the X-T2 is not a lonely example : for a similar amount of money you can get an Olympus E-M1 mark II, for about half that you can get a full frame Nikon D610 and for half that again you can get a camera like a D7000 or D7100 that could get you started really quickly and give you most of what you need right away, without spending thousands to make a complete kit. A friend of mine moved out and had to sell his camera to finance the move. Now he has settled down a little bit and wanted to pick up a "serious" camera again. He picked up a Nikon D7000 for €159 on MPB, paired it with an old 50mm f/1.8D and is very happy with it, compared to the price he paid for it. And honestly? I can't tell much of a difference between the pictures he took with that D7000 and the pictures he took with his previous camera (which was a Sony A7C)
Bravo! This is much better advice than the three amigos manage - factual, all about usage and without all the obvious and contradictory bias those folks portray. If you want to find a camera, read the above, try a few different brands in a store to find what works for you and then buy used.
Nikons new entry camera is a great example in how decent sensors + updated software makes almost anything possible. It's kinda how crazy companies won't update their previous cameras.
I think one of the bigger limitation to older cameras is the processing power. But the sensors do limit capabilities. Because of the ancient sensor in the z50ii you won’t get AF performance like cameras with faster sensors regardless of processing power. But I’ve been saying for years that they could’ve just stuck the expeed 7 in the existing Z6ii and it would’ve been a STELLAR camera. And they could’ve done it two years ago and saved them a lot of trouble lol.
@ryanbrown1789 It's software and the read write speeds. CPUs job is to command other components but the software design can hinder the operations with bloat code. The worse it'll do, is consume more battery and have longer buffer times. A better CPU will only help in making faster decision making. Precaputure might need a bigger cache to hold the temp data. Who cares about AF speeds if it's not marketed as AF. That's like asking for a supercar performance out of a cheap car. A possibility with a good mechanic. There's been cases where they hooked cameras onto drones as remote missiles. It now costs money to have good AF but good software designers are arguably more expensive since a good programmer can create more opportunity out of "tech junk"
contrast, the z6 iii was too little to late and high price for what it is relative to other cams. A used r5 is 1800 and a better body in every way. minus the Nikor line
@@salami99 you're using sentiment analysis with the pricing of used. I was discussing that the cameras are more than capable of what's marketed thru modifying built in camera software. It doesn't really matter which camera, it's the notion that all the camera software can be modified BUT these camera brands purposely gatekeep software design with more money. Mirrorless brought the wysiwyg design therefore alot is technically possible. Hook any camera up to streaming production software and lo n behold, you can get yourself an updated camera at the expense of computer power.
I am 50 years old and I bought my first interchangeable lense camera this spring, the Sony a6700. It small size, high picture quality and the open lense mount where the deciding factors for me. Together with the Sony 16-55 mm, the Sigma 10-18 mm and the Sony 70-200 mm f4, it all fits easily into my Shimoda Urban Explore 20l backpack. I brought the system to Istanbul and to Canada this year and it is just amazing. Also I didn't pay the RRP on any of these products, but always got some kind of deal.
I was really hoping that they would introduce IBIS to the Z 50 II. I love my ZFC, but it really needs IBIS, but the step up to the full frame ZF is just out of my budget
Obviously if they add ibis it will make the camera larger and heavier and more expensive. So it would no longer be entry level But like many I'd like to see ibis on a z70 or z90 But it looks like the z5ii is going to be Nikon's next camera early next year
Chris needs to start doing old-style Top Gear intros at the beginning of the show: On this week’s show, Jordan thinks Phillips bulbs are the cause of skin conditions, Jaren threatens to fire Chris and Jordan if you don’t subscribe to PetaPixel and Chris sleeps in an Amsterdam whorehouse.
The JJC 67mm Phone Lens Filter Adapter Mount works the best so far for the iPhone 16/15. It’s MagSafe, and it’s adjustable to reach the different camera/magsafe locations from the different phone models. I tried the tiffen one before that, it doesn’t fit the 16 because of the different magnet placement. Both are threaded filter mounts as well. But the JJC one seems to be good stuff so far.
@@akhyarrayhka4048 I think you did not quite get my point. 5-10 year old used pro cameras with great build quality and otherwise great specs. are often cheaper to buy for someone starting with photography.
Seeing as the 10 series is nowhere to be found, it would've been nice if the OM5 got a tilting-style LCD while the OM1 have the articulating one; rn all of them are articulating and that's a big turn off personally.
Check out Freewell's magnetic filter case and filters.I've been using them for a while now and they're pretty great. High quality glass and decent phone case. For the record, I have not association with brand or company.
When I moved from northern Europe to an Asian country, more than a decade ago, I really had problem with the cold white fluorescent light that most homes had. So I had to change all the lightbulbs in the place I stayed. I really like warm light indoors.
My first "proper" camera was the Nikon V1. Not great with low-light conditions or quick shots, but I loved that solid brick for landscape and nature shots.
My entry level DSLR was the Nikon D70. It was a great, fun to use camera that came with a 17mm-80mm Nikkor Zoom kit lens which developed a very great reputation for sharpness and color fidelity. The lens is hard to find on the used market. The camera was a great tool to learn about digital photography
yeah i thought that was odd when he mentioned that lens. They do have the apsc primes like jordan said, but i wonder if nikon will open up to all the sigma offerings. the sigma 18-50 with the z50ii sounds like it would be a great street and travel kit.
To the guy with the Nikon F2, try finding one of the smaller-bodied Nikon film cameras! FE2s are reliable and decently affordable (FM2s are pretty expensive now).
Make me feel old. My first entry level camera was a Film Rebel G with a 35-80 and 80-200 lenses. I also had the Rebel XT, no kit lens. Spent 1KUSD for the Body, a Battery Grip and a 4GB compact flash card
That 12mm olympus has large chunky steps when the focus clutch is pulled back. If you put the camera in MF or SAF+MF and don't pull the clutch back it is pretty smooth though. My Olympus 12-100 f4 pro is smooth either way, and people say the 12-40 2.8 is too.
I had a Nikon film slr film camera for a short period in mid 2000s, then got a Nikon d70 as my first dslr. Then when they got stolen in a home invasion I got a canon rebel xti. I didn’t upgrade until I got a T7i in 2019, and quickly jumped to a canon rp to get into full frame. Now I’ve got a r6ii that I love.
I think my thing about entry level cameras is that a lot of used pro cameras go for around the same price now. Panasonic s5 and Gh6, Sony A7 III/R III, Nikon Z6 II and Z5, fuji x-t4, canon r7… the list goes on. Why would I pay $900 for an entry level camera when I can spend MAYBE a small premium and, yeah I’m buying used, but get just a way better tool that will probably last me longer into my development as a professional? I think manufacturers have yet to put forth a compelling enough entry level camera to justify that investment over a used pro body.
@@Cervin_Suisse there’s plenty of affordable full frame glass, especially used. For example, a tamron 28-75 2.8 g1 is about the same price as a sigma 18-50. Also, the camera manufacturers don’t support apsc with lenses anyways, so if you want to upgrade, and you’re not shooting Sony or Fuji, you have to buy full frame anyways
Arguably none of those are "pro" cameras. If entry level cameras are aimed at newbies simplicity beats everything else. Most of these buyers won't ever hit the limits of those entry cameras.
You are right when you compare with used FF camera bodies. However size is not everyone in ready to deal with. Also when you step into the FF world lenses jump up in sizes, weight and prices.
Entry level hybrid camera, Panasonic s5 M1, with a crap ton of caveats around focus performance, but lenses are super cheap second hand, there is good upgrade path.
So hype to get a M4 Mac Mini, the power and longevity of M1 MacBook Air has shown me that I'll be able to throw pretty much any task at the M4 Mini and have zero issues. Power button on the bottom seems like a non-issue, Macs are designed to just be put to sleep when you're away from them.
1:02:55 omg i figured out what that smallrig filter was from the video and I was wondering how frustrating that thing was gonna be. I haven’t bought it yet, but I wanna buy the tilta MagSafe adapter because I’m not ready to drop money on the moment case and nd set
I just had to play along. Entry level interchangeable lens cameras I've had: Sony NEX-5n, Pentax K-01, Olympus E-P2, Fuji X-E1, Nikon D3000, Canon 50D. I took the most photos with the Fuji. The Sony and Pentax were gone pretty quickly. The Nikon and Canon got upgraded to full frame before too long. The Olympus always frustrated me - not very shallow DoF and diffraction starting at like f/6.3 so very limited aperture range.
I would love your thoughts on staying inspired and creative, and how to make your photography/videography interesting and visually pleasing, especially from Chris and Jordan, who must face this challenge while producing a constant stream of gear reviews.
Any chance for Petapixel members to get an alternative way to watch the podcast? The volume of TH-cam ads is a killer and I refuse to pay Google any of my $$.
The Canon R10 ist pretty good for beginners. Not a fan of the R50 and the R100 though. The R10 offers good haptics, a nice grip, an easy to understand menu and good specs. I can also recommend used and older Fuji cameras for beginners - the X-T30 is great, or the S10. Even an X-T20 offers better image quality than most phones and is very cheap nowadays.
When I was in Japan last year I held every camera at one of those big stores that have display models freely available to try, and the R10 was by far the most comfortable camera to hold. I had thought the Fujifilm X-S20 might be good, but it was far too angular, even with the big grip. The R6II, along with the Nikon Z8 were also good, but are more heavy, so less ideal.
Superior autofocus, video, burst rates and connectivity but if Z5 will be released, there will not be many advantages for Z50 II especially now that it's closer in size to full frame bodies.
Question for Jaron: Voigtlander has made 3 prime lenses for the RF mount now - 40, 50, 75 - have you tried any or are you interested in reviewing them? Thanks!
I would love to have you guys test MF Voigtländer lenses, I recently got a 27 mm 2.0 for my Fuji X bodies and it is so much fun! Like y'all I really hate focus by wire so it is sadly either AF or MF all the way! Love the results so far.
Just like Chris said, a used DSLR & kit zoom. But if it have to be Mirrorless and fine with used, the Sony NEX6/7 or α6xxx/α7xxx which comes with the benefit of being able to use full frame lens & easy upgrade path to FF if desired. (if I recall correctly) Micro Four Thirds camera with an built-in EVF and this system tends to be the cheapest option, and smallest. And honorable mention would be the Canon M5 or M50, its a dead system but the EF-M to EF adapter is there to allow you to use the deep portfolio of EF lenses!
43:11 thank you Chris for yor recommendation of my Canon R10 , especially these days that I think like that; "should I switch to a full frame sensor camera like R8 or not."
Yes!! My first camera also was a D70s!!! I don’t remember it being $2800. I feel like it was under $1k because I was broke AF back then. I’m considering buying it again because of the raw look for grungy street photography.
Not sure if Jaron meant the first full frame Nikkor cine lens, or the almost first Nikkor cine lens for any format? I have no knowledge about cine lenses and not much experience with Nikon cameras. However, I recently re-watched "The Fabelmans". The Bolex (H8?) that Bennie gives to Sam comes in a box where you can see "Nikkor cine" printed three times on a separate section at the bottom. Does that mean that you could buy the Bolex with three Nikkor cine lenses to mount on a turret (that is, if the box shown in the movie is authentic)?
So Nikon is offering bird autofocus mode on the Z50II, any news it will come to the Z6III or is there something with the semi-stacked sensor that is limiting them from offering it?
Just different firmware teams not coordinating with each other. If they think it worth dedicate the resources to adding it to the Z6III then they will. I assume it will just be a matter of time.
@@PetaPixel You're 100% correct, it was rereleased in 2020 to include the striker pack and better panel lining on the head, torso, and general armor molding. Fantastic update to a fantastic kit. Yours looks great!
My first camera was an Olympus E-520,back then when Olympus had their Evolt series Four-Thirds DSLRs. It was such a mistake back then because my local lens rental company only had the big name products for rent(Canon and Nikon mainly back in 2009) so i was stuck with the rather insipid 14-42mm kit lens. Sold it within a year and got a 2nd hand Canon 350D/Rebel XT with a EF-S 10-22mm lens.
It was not m43 back then. It was just four thirds. No micro. And the E-620 was my first digital SLR. I had used the Canon G3 before, which was a pain to use, but sold my on flip out screens. Actually I used the E-620 more in live view than with the VF.
Request: Please discuss the best low cost "Entry-Level or Fixed Lens" options for cameras as webcams. The picture quality of all webcams is gross. Lots of people want a better "Webcam", but don't want to break the bank. Things to compare - HDMI port size. HDMI vs. USB-C. Power options. User interface. Software options. Ease of use each time you want to use it. Entry-Level or Fixed lens cameras would be a great option for picture quality, but the implementation doesn't seem to be there yet, why not?
Don't most cameras today support webcam use? The problem is going to be things like lighting and sound. Not the camera body. Almost anything will look good if you fix the lighting and camera placement.
I’m afraid I may have to update my previous dream to include breaking up with Jordan over his mustache. Sorry, Jordan. Gotta bring back the whole beard! But, on another note, I’d love an OM camera as a dedicated macro setup if someone would like to donate! I live in a windy area and it seems like OM’s focus stacking is so fast it would really help!
It’s kind of disappointing to me that LUMIX and OM System don’t really have a front runner for a good entry level camera. They have almost two decades of mirrorless camera experience against the main competitors but they don’t produce an interesting entry level camera any more. The EPL and GX series should really be under cutting the X100 in terms of simplicity with an analog athletic in my opinion.
Jordan really needs a Hawaiian shirt and red Ferrari for that moustache. Why don't you guys film another scene from a movie? I don't know... maybe Magnum P.I. (the original one) 🤗
For stills, I stuck with film SLRs for a long time. I slowly went digital for video, using camcorders. I think that my first digital ILC was Lumix GF3. UPDATE Nov 7 16:43: Regarding Camcorders, they are still used by reporting teams elsewhere in the world. No they are not used as much as they used to be, but about 3 - 5 years ago I saw a few even in Toronto for news conferences. If I were covering a news conference by myself, I would probably still use a camcorder. Specifically, I have a Sony AX53 which has a good zoom range and fairly good optics and sound. I might take a camera mounted microphone (a "shotgun" mic is a specific type of mic if you are being pedantic). I would also have a mirror-less body and one or two lenses in a bag, and a monopod. But mostly, I would use the camcorder on the monopod. Lighting is not a problem in a real press conference. The TV crews always bring truckloads of lighting.
It's been explained to me there are still people using camcorders for work. Everything from low end news to doc work or even events. The things tend to have serious battery life. Super zoom ranges. The jobs don't require Hollywood level quality.
Best bang for buck for stills - secondhand Nikon D3300 or D5300. For point and shoot HD video - Canon M50 but there's no upgrade path. For stills and point and shoot 4k video - I have no idea.
Jaron, I watched my first Mobile Suit Gundam series (The Witch from Mercury). I think I get it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't browse online for an Aerial gunpla.
It varies for all three of us. Chris uses a Sony a7R V, Jordan uses a Lumix S5 IIX, and I use a Canon EOS R. Not sure what lenses the guys are using, but I'm using the 24-105mm f/4L. -Jaron
Always go used for entry level stuff. People throw this out for incredible prices, sometimes because they don’t even know how much it is worth. For stills, get an old DSLR if you don’t care about size and weight. A Canon 5D Mk2 is like 200 bucks, you can get upper mid range APSC stuff like the Nikon D7200 for 400 to get into wildlife/birding for less than 1000 bucks. M43 may sound compelling but an Olympus om1 mk2 plus 300mm will set you back more and be just slightly lighter and smaller.
"None of that APSC stuff is going to work." (Chris' comment on moving up from a Sony A6000 series camera to full frame.) Unless a person starting with a Sony A6000 series camera buys full-frame lenses. Then they can step up to a Sony full-frame camera and use the lenses they acquired for use on an APSC camera. Indeed, they can plan for this by buying lenses with a plan to trade up to full-frame later, purchasing lens in focal ranges that serve both formats well (with a slight bias to favoring use on a full-frame camera, because that's where you're going to invest even more money and the idea is to already have a decent, or better, brace of lenses for that format when the move is made). My suggestion - Buy a used, lower-end A6000 series body, fill out your lens battery (as needs dictate), keeping in mind the planned trade up later and buying lenses for full-frame coverage (and suggesting Sigma lenses as very good to excellent and less expensive options to Sony lenses).
The guy looking to replace his Nikon F2 for travel purposes should look into a Nikkormat or older Olympus/Pentax if he wants to stick to SLR. Otherwise, maybe look into Canon LTM rangefinders like the older Canon II and III.
Yeah, I also didn't understand why Chris said he won't use M43 for landscape. I am just getting into the system for it's affordable first party lenses.
First DSLR was a D70. Around this time also owned a Sony Mavica. Looking back, not sure why I bought the Sony. 😂. The D70 was 6.1 Meg, 3fps, and had quick action from shutter press to shoot. Bought it to capture my daughter jumping in puddles.
Well, it depends on the idea of "entry level"... if by that you mean "sacrificing some features to get to a certain price point, while sticking necessarly to the new market", then all right. Otherwise, if you just take into consideration the same price level as per previous sentence (or even a lower threshold, tbh), then you open up the used market. And boy oh boy... you can get incredibily high quality cameras, much better than the ones discussed in the video. Take the Nikon Z6: found one for €600 one month ago, with over 1.5 years of warranty left. Attach to it a Nikkor Z 24-70 f/4 (€350, on MPB) and with less than 1K you bring home TONS of quality for less than the requested price for these "entry level cameras"
Panasonic's abandonment of affordable M4/3 cameras (GX series) and 1" sensor point and shoots is leading it down the path to irrelevance. Its full frame cameras are far too big, heavy and expensive, and its M4/3 stuff is too large, video-centric and expensive to get people into Panasonic.
Panasonic HC-VX3 or other camcorders are just great for event live streaming because they don't ovearheat and powerzoom is great.. don't hate them too much :)
What does Petapixel think of Fuji's AF? Online reviewers seem to be knocking SO MUCH on it, but why is Petapixel always recommending the Fuji experience?
I think it comes down to the idea that all the cameras autofocus well enough and in most situations will function just fine. Also Fujifilm tend to have perfectly good AF for photos but it is annoying if during video the af keeps drifting to the background. This is something which they still need to improve. But the experience of using one is still enjoyable for sure.
best entry level mustache goes to Jordan
I think we all should donate to his Movember account 35 CAD to petition the others to join in
😆
Going used is THE biggest recommendation I can give to a beginner. Lots of people getting into photography will get into a camera store, buy something for around a thousand bucks, play with it for a couple of months, get bored, let the camera on a shelf for 6 months and then sell it at a discounted price.
That's how we get so many entry level cameras on the used market so quickly, not even a year after their release.
Personally, I have never really used a camera that was brand new. My last brand new camera was my dad's Nikon D60 back in 2009. I started off with a used Fujifilm X-T1, then X-T2 and those cameras, if you can find them at a good price are really staples of what used cameras should be : in the case of the X-T2 you get a well built camera that actually feels great, has a great EVF, great back screen, tons of controls (which I should add, the Fujifilm vintage dials are PERFECT to learn photography when you don't have any knowledge of exposure etc, they really allow you to know what you're changing, see the effects of that) but they also have great features you generally don't see in lower end bodies : weather sealing, full magnesium alloy body (meaning it you can use it and not baby it, a lot of beginners end up not using their camera because they don't know how reliant it is and if they should use it or not, by fear of breaking it or destroying it if there's like a little rain outside or stuff like that). They also have still up to date sensors, the 24MP in the X-T2 is still absle to deliver image that are on par with current top of the line APS-C cameras in 2024.
And lastly, in the case of teh X-T2, it's a camera that has decent looking video, decently accurate autofocus and has double card slots : beyond being just a beginer friendly camera it's a camera that has all the right things to allow somoene to grow into, leanr to use correctly and in the end it could be a profesionnal tool if you end up taking jobs with it.
And what, it coest about the same as a brand new Canon R100? Has better image quality and better video to boot?
Hard to justify something else that would be priced similarly on the brand new market. And the X-T2 is not a lonely example : for a similar amount of money you can get an Olympus E-M1 mark II, for about half that you can get a full frame Nikon D610 and for half that again you can get a camera like a D7000 or D7100 that could get you started really quickly and give you most of what you need right away, without spending thousands to make a complete kit.
A friend of mine moved out and had to sell his camera to finance the move. Now he has settled down a little bit and wanted to pick up a "serious" camera again. He picked up a Nikon D7000 for €159 on MPB, paired it with an old 50mm f/1.8D and is very happy with it, compared to the price he paid for it. And honestly? I can't tell much of a difference between the pictures he took with that D7000 and the pictures he took with his previous camera (which was a Sony A7C)
Bravo! This is much better advice than the three amigos manage - factual, all about usage and without all the obvious and contradictory bias those folks portray. If you want to find a camera, read the above, try a few different brands in a store to find what works for you and then buy used.
used cameras, used cars. I have a formula 4 years %50 and you cannot lose money when i sell them again.
You guys let me down. I was expecting 3 mustaches.
yeah, deffo missed opportunity
The three Mustacheiers?
Nikons new entry camera is a great example in how decent sensors + updated software makes almost anything possible. It's kinda how crazy companies won't update their previous cameras.
I think one of the bigger limitation to older cameras is the processing power. But the sensors do limit capabilities. Because of the ancient sensor in the z50ii you won’t get AF performance like cameras with faster sensors regardless of processing power.
But I’ve been saying for years that they could’ve just stuck the expeed 7 in the existing Z6ii and it would’ve been a STELLAR camera. And they could’ve done it two years ago and saved them a lot of trouble lol.
@ryanbrown1789 It's software and the read write speeds. CPUs job is to command other components but the software design can hinder the operations with bloat code. The worse it'll do, is consume more battery and have longer buffer times. A better CPU will only help in making faster decision making. Precaputure might need a bigger cache to hold the temp data.
Who cares about AF speeds if it's not marketed as AF. That's like asking for a supercar performance out of a cheap car. A possibility with a good mechanic. There's been cases where they hooked cameras onto drones as remote missiles. It now costs money to have good AF but good software designers are arguably more expensive since a good programmer can create more opportunity out of "tech junk"
contrast, the z6 iii was too little to late and high price for what it is relative to other cams. A used r5 is 1800 and a better body in every way. minus the Nikor line
@@salami99 you're using sentiment analysis with the pricing of used. I was discussing that the cameras are more than capable of what's marketed thru modifying built in camera software. It doesn't really matter which camera, it's the notion that all the camera software can be modified BUT these camera brands purposely gatekeep software design with more money. Mirrorless brought the wysiwyg design therefore alot is technically possible.
Hook any camera up to streaming production software and lo n behold, you can get yourself an updated camera at the expense of computer power.
Panasonic most likely released these camcorders because they need to replace micro USB with USB-C or soon they won't be able to sell them in EU.
I am 50 years old and I bought my first interchangeable lense camera this spring, the Sony a6700. It small size, high picture quality and the open lense mount where the deciding factors for me. Together with the Sony 16-55 mm, the Sigma 10-18 mm and the Sony 70-200 mm f4, it all fits easily into my Shimoda Urban Explore 20l backpack. I brought the system to Istanbul and to Canada this year and it is just amazing. Also I didn't pay the RRP on any of these products, but always got some kind of deal.
I was really hoping that they would introduce IBIS to the Z 50 II. I love my ZFC, but it really needs IBIS, but the step up to the full frame ZF is just out of my budget
maybe Z70 or z90
there are barely any new sub 1k usd camera that has IBIS... mid range MFT needs come back-- not you g100
Obviously if they add ibis it will make the camera larger and heavier and more expensive.
So it would no longer be entry level
But like many I'd like to see ibis on a z70 or z90
But it looks like the z5ii is going to be Nikon's next camera early next year
@@Makeshift_Housewife maybe lumix s9. Actually, I don't know what price he can get it from you, but he sells it very cheaply in China
Chris needs to start doing old-style Top Gear intros at the beginning of the show:
On this week’s show, Jordan thinks Phillips bulbs are the cause of skin conditions, Jaren threatens to fire Chris and Jordan if you don’t subscribe to PetaPixel and Chris sleeps in an Amsterdam whorehouse.
I didn't think there would be a way to make this podcast better, but I think you found it!
The JJC 67mm Phone Lens Filter Adapter Mount works the best so far for the iPhone 16/15. It’s MagSafe, and it’s adjustable to reach the different camera/magsafe locations from the different phone models. I tried the tiffen one before that, it doesn’t fit the 16 because of the different magnet placement. Both are threaded filter mounts as well. But the JJC one seems to be good stuff so far.
Thanks for the suggestion!
- Jordan
Bro really just suggested a mid-range camera as an entry level one.
The best Entry-Level M43 camera right now is a used $500 OM-D EM-1 Mk.II. 😉
Shhh don’t drive up the prices 😅
its discontinued, om5 is good alternative
@@akhyarrayhka4048not a 500$ camera.
@@akhyarrayhka4048 I think you did not quite get my point. 5-10 year old used pro cameras with great build quality and otherwise great specs. are often cheaper to buy for someone starting with photography.
Seeing as the 10 series is nowhere to be found, it would've been nice if the OM5 got a tilting-style LCD while the OM1 have the articulating one; rn all of them are articulating and that's a big turn off personally.
First cam I ever owned was a used Nikon D50! I had a 50mm 1.4 screw-drive autofocus prime on it and was always with me till it died after 8years
Looks like pixelmator will be the long awaited aperture follow up. I actually still have a legacy version of aperture I hope this one is as good.
Check out Freewell's magnetic filter case and filters.I've been using them for a while now and they're pretty great. High quality glass and decent phone case. For the record, I have not association with brand or company.
When I moved from northern Europe to an Asian country, more than a decade ago, I really had problem with the cold white fluorescent light that most homes had. So I had to change all the lightbulbs in the place I stayed. I really like warm light indoors.
Oh dear. What have I created by posting about that one dream? lol
I started with a Pentax and to this day I'm still using them 😊
My first "proper" camera was the Nikon V1. Not great with low-light conditions or quick shots, but I loved that solid brick for landscape and nature shots.
My entry level DSLR was the Nikon D70. It was a great, fun to use camera that came with a 17mm-80mm Nikkor Zoom kit lens which developed a very great reputation for sharpness and color fidelity. The lens is hard to find on the used market. The camera was a great tool to learn about digital photography
51:54 that Sigma aint available for the Z mount man. Neither the 10-18 2.8 nor the Tamron 17-70 2.8. Don't know why Nikon is stopping APSC lenses.
yeah i thought that was odd when he mentioned that lens. They do have the apsc primes like jordan said, but i wonder if nikon will open up to all the sigma offerings. the sigma 18-50 with the z50ii sounds like it would be a great street and travel kit.
Stopping?
To the guy with the Nikon F2, try finding one of the smaller-bodied Nikon film cameras! FE2s are reliable and decently affordable (FM2s are pretty expensive now).
yEAH man they sure are
Make me feel old. My first entry level camera was a Film Rebel G with a 35-80 and 80-200 lenses. I also had the Rebel XT, no kit lens. Spent 1KUSD for the Body, a Battery Grip and a 4GB compact flash card
That 12mm olympus has large chunky steps when the focus clutch is pulled back. If you put the camera in MF or SAF+MF and don't pull the clutch back it is pretty smooth though. My Olympus 12-100 f4 pro is smooth either way, and people say the 12-40 2.8 is too.
Why is the A6600 not spoken about?
Interesting how you see the APS-C market. Here in Germany, the Sony A6700 is really going strong.
D70s 18-70mm, still love it!
I had a Nikon film slr film camera for a short period in mid 2000s, then got a Nikon d70 as my first dslr.
Then when they got stolen in a home invasion I got a canon rebel xti. I didn’t upgrade until I got a T7i in 2019, and quickly jumped to a canon rp to get into full frame. Now I’ve got a r6ii that I love.
Hi Jordan. I bought freewell magnetic nd filter for my iphone 15pro and I love it.
Only downside is the case is a bit slippery and pricy. But love it.
Jordan, the Moment cases and filter mountings are the best and the case’s slimness should work well with the Lexar system.
I think my thing about entry level cameras is that a lot of used pro cameras go for around the same price now. Panasonic s5 and Gh6, Sony A7 III/R III, Nikon Z6 II and Z5, fuji x-t4, canon r7… the list goes on. Why would I pay $900 for an entry level camera when I can spend MAYBE a small premium and, yeah I’m buying used, but get just a way better tool that will probably last me longer into my development as a professional?
I think manufacturers have yet to put forth a compelling enough entry level camera to justify that investment over a used pro body.
used pro body, assuming it is a full frame, will call for much more expensive glass.
Z5 with 40mm f2 will cost you 1000, a used 24-70 F4 ist around 400 and your good for most situations.
@@Cervin_Suisse there’s plenty of affordable full frame glass, especially used. For example, a tamron 28-75 2.8 g1 is about the same price as a sigma 18-50. Also, the camera manufacturers don’t support apsc with lenses anyways, so if you want to upgrade, and you’re not shooting Sony or Fuji, you have to buy full frame anyways
Arguably none of those are "pro" cameras.
If entry level cameras are aimed at newbies simplicity beats everything else. Most of these buyers won't ever hit the limits of those entry cameras.
You are right when you compare with used FF camera bodies. However size is not everyone in ready to deal with. Also when you step into the FF world lenses jump up in sizes, weight and prices.
Panasonic should release a G95 MII. It’s a great feeling camera that does well with the current focusing, but would do great with phase detection.
Entry level hybrid camera, Panasonic s5 M1, with a crap ton of caveats around focus performance, but lenses are super cheap second hand, there is good upgrade path.
Which lenses are super cheap.in that system?
Those "ember" colours Jaron is talking about at the beginningm.. is that HDR? All I see is a washed out orange.
YIKES pls NO HDR
So hype to get a M4 Mac Mini, the power and longevity of M1 MacBook Air has shown me that I'll be able to throw pretty much any task at the M4 Mini and have zero issues. Power button on the bottom seems like a non-issue, Macs are designed to just be put to sleep when you're away from them.
1:02:55 omg i figured out what that smallrig filter was from the video and I was wondering how frustrating that thing was gonna be. I haven’t bought it yet, but I wanna buy the tilta MagSafe adapter because I’m not ready to drop money on the moment case and nd set
I just had to play along. Entry level interchangeable lens cameras I've had: Sony NEX-5n, Pentax K-01, Olympus E-P2, Fuji X-E1, Nikon D3000, Canon 50D. I took the most photos with the Fuji. The Sony and Pentax were gone pretty quickly. The Nikon and Canon got upgraded to full frame before too long. The Olympus always frustrated me - not very shallow DoF and diffraction starting at like f/6.3 so very limited aperture range.
I would love your thoughts on staying inspired and creative, and how to make your photography/videography interesting and visually pleasing, especially from Chris and Jordan, who must face this challenge while producing a constant stream of gear reviews.
Any chance for Petapixel members to get an alternative way to watch the podcast? The volume of TH-cam ads is a killer and I refuse to pay Google any of my $$.
The Canon R10 ist pretty good for beginners. Not a fan of the R50 and the R100 though. The R10 offers good haptics, a nice grip, an easy to understand menu and good specs. I can also recommend used and older Fuji cameras for beginners - the X-T30 is great, or the S10. Even an X-T20 offers better image quality than most phones and is very cheap nowadays.
When I was in Japan last year I held every camera at one of those big stores that have display models freely available to try, and the R10 was by far the most comfortable camera to hold. I had thought the Fujifilm X-S20 might be good, but it was far too angular, even with the big grip. The R6II, along with the Nikon Z8 were also good, but are more heavy, so less ideal.
Why to choose z50II over Z5?
Superior autofocus, video, burst rates and connectivity but if Z5 will be released, there will not be many advantages for Z50 II especially now that it's closer in size to full frame bodies.
I'm in town for a few weeks and totally hitting up the Japanese gardens :) If there's a photo walk happening, let me know! :)
Ulanzi got a MagSafe filter holder, but it seems it, like the smallrig one, only accept 52mm proprietary magnetic filter too.
Question for Jaron: Voigtlander has made 3 prime lenses for the RF mount now - 40, 50, 75 - have you tried any or are you interested in reviewing them? Thanks!
I would love to have you guys test MF Voigtländer lenses, I recently got a 27 mm 2.0 for my Fuji X bodies and it is so much fun! Like y'all I really hate focus by wire so it is sadly either AF or MF all the way! Love the results so far.
Thank you for the detailed timestamps notes and the good story.
Just like Chris said, a used DSLR & kit zoom.
But if it have to be Mirrorless and fine with used, the Sony NEX6/7 or α6xxx/α7xxx which comes with the benefit of being able to use full frame lens & easy upgrade path to FF if desired. (if I recall correctly)
Micro Four Thirds camera with an built-in EVF and this system tends to be the cheapest option, and smallest.
And honorable mention would be the Canon M5 or M50, its a dead system but the EF-M to EF adapter is there to allow you to use the deep portfolio of EF lenses!
43:11 thank you Chris for yor recommendation of my Canon R10 , especially these days that I think like that; "should I switch to a full frame sensor camera like R8 or not."
Yes!! My first camera also was a D70s!!! I don’t remember it being $2800. I feel like it was under $1k because I was broke AF back then. I’m considering buying it again because of the raw look for grungy street photography.
Not sure if Jaron meant the first full frame Nikkor cine lens, or the almost first Nikkor cine lens for any format? I have no knowledge about cine lenses and not much experience with Nikon cameras. However, I recently re-watched "The Fabelmans". The Bolex (H8?) that Bennie gives to Sam comes in a box where you can see "Nikkor cine" printed three times on a separate section at the bottom. Does that mean that you could buy the Bolex with three Nikkor cine lenses to mount on a turret (that is, if the box shown in the movie is authentic)?
So Nikon is offering bird autofocus mode on the Z50II, any news it will come to the Z6III or is there something with the semi-stacked sensor that is limiting them from offering it?
Just different firmware teams not coordinating with each other. If they think it worth dedicate the resources to adding it to the Z6III then they will. I assume it will just be a matter of time.
I am an OM shooter (OM-5 and OM-1) but have started to collect low click ccd dslrs: *ist dl, k-2000, e-500, d-50,d-60, d-3000. Use them all.
Nikon D50!?
I've built the PG Strike too! It's one of the best PG despite it's age. Great work!
I feel like it had a recent re-release and update. That's what drew me to it, plus the fact I don't have the Strike in any other grade. -Jaron
@@PetaPixel You're 100% correct, it was rereleased in 2020 to include the striker pack and better panel lining on the head, torso, and general armor molding. Fantastic update to a fantastic kit. Yours looks great!
51:53 Sigma 18-50 2.8 hasn't been released for Z-mount yet
I consistently lose my staring contests with Chris in the intros
I use a Sony ZV-E10 for Photography/Video, its a solid camera.
I know the autofocus is just ok but on MPB yesterday (KEH too probably) my mind was absolutely blown that a G9 was $500
My first camera was an Olympus E-520,back then when Olympus had their Evolt series Four-Thirds DSLRs. It was such a mistake back then because my local lens rental company only had the big name products for rent(Canon and Nikon mainly back in 2009) so i was stuck with the rather insipid 14-42mm kit lens. Sold it within a year and got a 2nd hand Canon 350D/Rebel XT with a EF-S 10-22mm lens.
It was not m43 back then. It was just four thirds. No micro. And the E-620 was my first digital SLR. I had used the Canon G3 before, which was a pain to use, but sold my on flip out screens. Actually I used the E-620 more in live view than with the VF.
@liselottepulver2819 ah yes typo
Is a Fuji with all its dials really an entry level camera.
Request: Please discuss the best low cost "Entry-Level or Fixed Lens" options for cameras as webcams. The picture quality of all webcams is gross. Lots of people want a better "Webcam", but don't want to break the bank.
Things to compare - HDMI port size. HDMI vs. USB-C. Power options. User interface. Software options. Ease of use each time you want to use it.
Entry-Level or Fixed lens cameras would be a great option for picture quality, but the implementation doesn't seem to be there yet, why not?
Don't most cameras today support webcam use?
The problem is going to be things like lighting and sound. Not the camera body. Almost anything will look good if you fix the lighting and camera placement.
Surf Fishing? That's a new one for me. It seems like it would ruin the surfing part. 🤣
Imo there's no more enjoyable entry level camera than the Olympus Em10/Em5!
atm you can get an OM-1 (Mark1) +12-40 f2.8 for 1500 euros. If 20MP is enough for you thats a way better deal than a z50ii
I’m afraid I may have to update my previous dream to include breaking up with Jordan over his mustache. Sorry, Jordan. Gotta bring back the whole beard!
But, on another note, I’d love an OM camera as a dedicated macro setup if someone would like to donate! I live in a windy area and it seems like OM’s focus stacking is so fast it would really help!
It’s kind of disappointing to me that LUMIX and OM System don’t really have a front runner for a good entry level camera. They have almost two decades of mirrorless camera experience against the main competitors but they don’t produce an interesting entry level camera any more. The EPL and GX series should really be under cutting the X100 in terms of simplicity with an analog athletic in my opinion.
OM-5 phenomenal entry level camera
i am rocking 1 year old x-s10 some primes some zooms - great unit:)
Jordan really needs a Hawaiian shirt and red Ferrari for that moustache. Why don't you guys film another scene from a movie? I don't know... maybe Magnum P.I. (the original one) 🤗
I really do not want to shame others on typos (english is not my first language), but I really struggled to realise that Ferrary refers to Ferrari.
For stills, I stuck with film SLRs for a long time. I slowly went digital for video, using camcorders. I think that my first digital ILC was Lumix GF3. UPDATE Nov 7 16:43: Regarding Camcorders, they are still used by reporting teams elsewhere in the world. No they are not used as much as they used to be, but about 3 - 5 years ago I saw a few even in Toronto for news conferences. If I were covering a news conference by myself, I would probably still use a camcorder. Specifically, I have a Sony AX53 which has a good zoom range and fairly good optics and sound. I might take a camera mounted microphone (a "shotgun" mic is a specific type of mic if you are being pedantic). I would also have a mirror-less body and one or two lenses in a bag, and a monopod. But mostly, I would use the camcorder on the monopod. Lighting is not a problem in a real press conference. The TV crews always bring truckloads of lighting.
Jordan, that was my first camera and lens combo!
Sont slt-A58, first camera i got in college.
It's been explained to me there are still people using camcorders for work.
Everything from low end news to doc work or even events.
The things tend to have serious battery life. Super zoom ranges.
The jobs don't require Hollywood level quality.
Best bang for buck for stills - secondhand Nikon D3300 or D5300. For point and shoot HD video - Canon M50 but there's no upgrade path. For stills and point and shoot 4k video - I have no idea.
Jaron, I watched my first Mobile Suit Gundam series (The Witch from Mercury). I think I get it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't browse online for an Aerial gunpla.
What camera and lens are you using for this podcast?
It varies for all three of us. Chris uses a Sony a7R V, Jordan uses a Lumix S5 IIX, and I use a Canon EOS R. Not sure what lenses the guys are using, but I'm using the 24-105mm f/4L. -Jaron
@ thank you so much.
@@PetaPixel why is your framerate always so jerky while Chris and Jordan look fine?
R8 refurb for $1000 on canons site is the best entry level IMO.
Always go used for entry level stuff. People throw this out for incredible prices, sometimes because they don’t even know how much it is worth.
For stills, get an old DSLR if you don’t care about size and weight. A Canon 5D Mk2 is like 200 bucks, you can get upper mid range APSC stuff like the Nikon D7200 for 400 to get into wildlife/birding for less than 1000 bucks. M43 may sound compelling but an Olympus om1 mk2 plus 300mm will set you back more and be just slightly lighter and smaller.
here's an idea, chris says peta, jordan says pixel, and then says podcast together
I think the Panasonic DC-G100D is a great entry level camera.
You guys need to watch some Markus Pix camcorder videos.
I still own and use my G7
"None of that APSC stuff is going to work." (Chris' comment on moving up from a Sony A6000 series camera to full frame.)
Unless a person starting with a Sony A6000 series camera buys full-frame lenses. Then they can step up to a Sony full-frame camera and use the lenses they acquired for use on an APSC camera. Indeed, they can plan for this by buying lenses with a plan to trade up to full-frame later, purchasing lens in focal ranges that serve both formats well (with a slight bias to favoring use on a full-frame camera, because that's where you're going to invest even more money and the idea is to already have a decent, or better, brace of lenses for that format when the move is made). My suggestion - Buy a used, lower-end A6000 series body, fill out your lens battery (as needs dictate), keeping in mind the planned trade up later and buying lenses for full-frame coverage (and suggesting Sigma lenses as very good to excellent and less expensive options to Sony lenses).
The guy looking to replace his Nikon F2 for travel purposes should look into a Nikkormat or older Olympus/Pentax if he wants to stick to SLR. Otherwise, maybe look into Canon LTM rangefinders like the older Canon II and III.
And still, so many landscape-professionals use MFT for landscape photography.
Yeah, I also didn't understand why Chris said he won't use M43 for landscape. I am just getting into the system for it's affordable first party lenses.
If Apple puts a decent DNG-editing program on iOS, and it works well, that's all I will use! Gotta have decent NR and brushing though...
First DSLR was a D70. Around this time also owned a Sony Mavica. Looking back, not sure why I bought the Sony. 😂. The D70 was 6.1 Meg, 3fps, and had quick action from shutter press to shoot. Bought it to capture my daughter jumping in puddles.
Well, it depends on the idea of "entry level"... if by that you mean "sacrificing some features to get to a certain price point, while sticking necessarly to the new market", then all right. Otherwise, if you just take into consideration the same price level as per previous sentence (or even a lower threshold, tbh), then you open up the used market. And boy oh boy... you can get incredibily high quality cameras, much better than the ones discussed in the video. Take the Nikon Z6: found one for €600 one month ago, with over 1.5 years of warranty left. Attach to it a Nikkor Z 24-70 f/4 (€350, on MPB) and with less than 1K you bring home TONS of quality for less than the requested price for these "entry level cameras"
Panasonic's abandonment of affordable M4/3 cameras (GX series) and 1" sensor point and shoots is leading it down the path to irrelevance. Its full frame cameras are far too big, heavy and expensive, and its M4/3 stuff is too large, video-centric and expensive to get people into Panasonic.
0:08 - there actually is a “pancast” on TH-cam … nice guy too.
Absolutely need to see a return of Aperture!
Would be nice as you talk show us pictures of what your are talking about too. Some of us are real beginners and have no idea without seeing pictures
The 15-45mm Fuji is just an extra $100. Get that and a prime or two. Compact easy to throw on if you need something other than 23mm. No brainer.
Chris, have you ever actually used a Mac? Not an iPhone or iPad, but a Mac or MacBook Air or Pro???
OM-5 best entry level ilc camera, no contest !
What a great topic! I Love the R50 ❤
Panasonic HC-VX3 or other camcorders are just great for event live streaming because they don't ovearheat and powerzoom is great.. don't hate them too much :)
What a fantastic mustache.
What does Petapixel think of Fuji's AF? Online reviewers seem to be knocking SO MUCH on it, but why is Petapixel always recommending the Fuji experience?
I think it comes down to the idea that all the cameras autofocus well enough and in most situations will function just fine. Also Fujifilm tend to have perfectly good AF for photos but it is annoying if during video the af keeps drifting to the background. This is something which they still need to improve. But the experience of using one is still enjoyable for sure.
@ holy smokes. I didn't know you guys personally replied to Comments. 😅 Thanks, Chris! 👋🏽
Good to see Jordan rocking a movember moustache, or perhaps it is a homage to adult actors from the 80s?
you guys lost Chris in all the apple fanboyism...look at his face confused
Chris, thank you for wearing a poppy.
Chris when Mac is being discussed ------> 🙄
In regards to camcorders, you have obviously never been to a Japanese school event. Camcorders are still widely used.
I might bite on the Nikon Z50ii. What a great small package.