I'm really liking these types of videos! It's one thing to buy a product from a review, but actually testing it out for a month to see how it holds up and then providing a review on it gives a lot more depth, instead of just "here are the specs, if you like em then buy it"
@@dominic.rivera Pressing play on TH-cam and then doing something else is somehow less "hands free" than pressing play on a podcast and doing something else? I'm not against the idea, I just don't understand your logic.
@@mjc0961 easier to have the “podcast” in a playlist and then it’s all ready to go without having to change the video each time. Additionally, with podcasts you can turn the screen off on your phone and it’ll continue to play the audio whereas with TH-cam you need TH-cam premium. And quickly pressing play on a video each time sometimes isn’t feasible if you’re doing the dishes, or driving, or anything away from your phone that requires your attention and both hands.
Agree. I'm still torn on what to buy. Money is no issue. But at the same time i don't want to overspend. Videos like this makes it somewhat easier to make up your mind on what you 'should' buy or not.
I had similar "lock up" frozen screen, BSOD, crash to desktop issues with my 12900K system as well but solved it due to a long process of elimination. I did not experience the no post issue under the exact conditions though something of the nature happened but more memory related. System: Full Custom Water Cooling with 2 360mm Radiators (Corsair, but using all Lian Li Fans) CPU: 12900K GPU: Asus Strix 3080 Ti Motherboard: Asus Z690-A Strix DDR4 RAM: 4x16GB GSkill Trident Z Neo 3600Mhz 16-19-19-39 DDR4 OS: Windows 11 Pro Right off the bat when everything was put together and booted up normal operation was largely fine, but sometimes there would be occasional BSOD or CTD/lockup on certain games. But then it started getting more frequent. I ran all sorts of diagnostics and hardware monitoring and everything seemed fine, CPU checked out, GPU checked out using Cinebench or MSI Kombuster, 3DMark. Then I got the idea to do a full Memtest64 since it was bundled with the Asus motherboard. I had enabled XMP Profile #1 (there are 2) and boom, after the Pass #1, Pass #2 through #4 had issues. The bad part, it was entirely random. Nothing that indicated a consistent bad range of memory addresses or a particular CPU core. I then returned the memory and got the exact same kit only to get similar issues in Memtest64. I turned off XMP Profile and it works but why pay for faster memory when you can't use it? The same instability issues were still present, random BSODs, CTDs or lockups. After some Googling I found an obscure Reddit post mentioning XMP Profile #2, well what's the difference? XMP Profile #1 sets basic primary timings but leaves the secondary timings to the motherboard to decide. XMP Profile #2 are strict tighter timings that set even the secondary timings as defined by the memory manufacturer... I thought it was worth a shot, I switched it to XMP Profile #2 and a miracle happened, Memtest64 passed, I even reran it multiple times to confirm. System was then stable afterwards even with aggressive overclocking (after I verified stability). No more BSODs, no more Lockups, no random CTDs. The system is stable even with the following aggressive OC settings: CPU: P-Core: 5.5Ghz Single/Dual 5.2Ghz All-Core (Can hit 96C on some cores) E-Core: 4.1Ghz All-Core (Won't go higher, even though only at 71C) GPU: +145Mhz Core Clock +1150Mhz Memory Clock TLDR: Check Memtest64 and check which XMP Profile timings work for your system. Edit: Wanted to note that I also checked board and memory compatibility during troubleshooting and the board and those 4 sticks are compatible according to GSkill. Also corrected board model to Strix not Prime.
I did not have the patience to write all this but this is exactly what happened to me. XMP 1 would randomly crash games and sometimes BSOD. memtest passed and games would still crash. Been using XMP 2 with same speed as XMP 1 and my system is completely stable.
This feels like another round of silicon lottery. But so glad you managed to deduce this down. I'll definietly keep this in my cheat sheet in case I get this on my 12thgen build. Thanks!
Thanks for the detailed insight and a possible solution should this come up for my new build. I'm don't plan on overclocking in my 12th gen build so hopefully nothing crazy happens.
Is smart to get i5 12600K? And windows 11? I heard windows is very buggy and it looks like 12th gen is kinda mess still. But thats my impression, what do you think?
Running a 12700K on DDR4 and enjoying it both from a cost saving as I got to re-use my drr4 3600 ram and performance perspective. The power draw as compared to a 12900K is so much better and well under control. Overclocking is fairly straightforward on the per core overclocking and it has been a big step up. Couple of issues at the beginning with Windows 11 but now fairly resilient.
First ever build with a 12900k at the centre on a z690 hero MB, 32gb ddr5 corsair 5600mhz, Windows 11 and RTX3090 FE. I have had no issues at all, no crashes, freezing or odd behaviour. XMP profile is on and as commented on in the video, experience of usage is just wow at how snappy and responsive every load and interaction is. Games like Halo Infinite and Apex are running solidly at 140fps at 4K. Temps on the 12900 have not been a problem with the corsair H150.
i too am getting 32gb 5600 corsair vengeance rgb to go with a 12900k. so if i were to enable a 5600mhz xmp profile from 4000mhz i'd be fine??? 'cause the 12900k is rated to hold no more than 4800mhz
I've been running a 12700k since launch and have never had any issues with stability. I switched from a 9700k and was going to go with a 5900x until I saw 12th gen. I live stream sometimes and regularly game for 8+ hours straight on the weekend and I have never crashed (other than the game itself but I just count that up as just Warzone issues since on my 9700k the game crashed once every so many weeks as well. I honestly can't remember last time the game crashed on the 12700k). I have moved the PC probably 10 times going to friends and have never had any issues with posting or stability. It honestly has been extremely reliable. But in February I built a PC for a friend with a 12600k on a MSI PRO z690 DDR4 and could not run XMP on SP 3000 MHz RAM up until about a month ago with bios updates but other than that they have had 0 issues with the system as well. My specs: 12700k Asus TUF Gaming z690 DDR4 WiFi Had a Gigabyte 2080s in it for about a month with no issues until I was able to get an EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3080 in late December last year through their queue, again been running with no issues. 32gb Corsair Vengeance 3200 DDR4 970 Pro boot drive I build a new PC with each generation of GPU (So every other year but this PC was delayed because of gpu availability). This system has been rock solid so unless AM5 or 13th gen have massive gains I might just get a 4080 and stick with this system for the next few years.
Basically same scenario, I moved from 9700k + 1080ti to 12900k + 3080RTX and have been amazed. No stability issues at all, rips through any game I throw at it (even the most demanding that I have: Cyberpunk 2077, Warzone, Star Citizen). Couldn’t be happier with this setup.
@@bestlamegamer Honestly this is one of the hardest memory generation gaps to bridge from what I've read. Makes sense Intel struggled. Could be something AMD doesn't struggle with because they're not supporting both on one platform. Doesn't solve the price/availability problems though.
Is your 12700k bottle necking your 3080 at all? I feel like my 3070Ti is pretty much maxed out while my 12700KF is practically idling along while gaming.
Hey Jayz, hey everyone! I was really happy to see this video! My last two months were filled with trouble shooting regarding my new ITX build 😞 Here are my components: Intel i5 12600K, Phanteks Glacier One 240 MPH, MSI MEG Z690i Unify, Corsair Vengeance DDR5 4800Mhz, Asus TUF Gaming OC RTX 3070ti, Corsair SF750 PSU, Samsung 970evo plus 2TB, all in a Lian-Li A4-H20 ITX case. I startet with a fresh Win10 64bit installation, deactivated driver installation coming from Windows and installed all hardware and chipset drivers coming from the websites from Intel/MSI/Asus. Because of all the new components, I also focused on stability - so no OC at all. The system is/was 100% stable in "office mode" - so without any gaming. But while gaming, the system was absolutely frustrating. In Rocket League, the game always minimized to tray or black-screen to desktop or crashed (sometimes hard-reset necessary, sometimes back to desktop via task manager). Civ VI always crashed to desktop after a few minutes. I tested the stability with MemTest (several hours with no issues), Ungine Heaven 4.0, FurMark and with my two main games (Rocket League and Civ VI) and always watched frequencies and temperatures with monitoring software. After speaking with MSI support, I did a BIOS update to the latest beta-version (didn't helped). I then did all the "fixes" like DP-cable change, using just one RAM, clean GPU driver installation with DDU, adjusting BIOS-setting (deactivating E-cores, enabling/disabling XMP, setting fix PCIe Version, etc.), deactivating game mode, deactivating xbox game bar, setting energy mamangement to max power and all the other well known tweaks (like undervolting GPU). Everything didn't helped. I then updated to Win11 (via Updater, knowing that this would be the worst kind of update). This system update didn't helped either. I then re-built the whole system from the base (unplugging all components and cables and re-building the wohle computer coming from an empty case) and cleaned the whole SSD and fresh-installed Win11 via boot-stick. This time I chose to "let windows do its thing" and installed all updates/drivers coming from windows. I then installed nvidia drivers and nothing else, just to see the system behavior without doing "too much". After this, RL and Civ VI was playable without any crashes 🙂 Now, my system is kind of stable. I'm down from "one issue every 30 minutes while gaming" to "one issue every one, two or three days while gaming". Interestingly, beside "normal game crashes to desktop" I now have also blue screen and "instant re-boot" as error-indications. I also noticed that I can have a game-crash and after re-booting the system, the game is stable for hours. Now I'm updating all the drivers like sound, BT, network, wifi etc. "step by step" and test the system at least for one week after each update. I hope my story may help someone - at the end I can only recommend to check all the cables and hardware connections and to do a clean Win installation with a bootable medium. Best regards and thank you for your channel! 🙂
The system not turning on after a power loss, CMOS clear doing nothing, etc... That sure sounds like memory training issues. I had these issues early both on X79 and X99 with certain kits of RAM. Despite them being name-brand and validated, they always did this. It wasn't until RAM went cheaper (way back when) that I bought a 32GB kit for both my X79 and X99 system and the weird issues went away. To this day, both are solid runners running XMP and overtclocked. Back then, I was all about stability, no overclocking no XMP and the random crashes and lockups would infuriate me. Heck my X79 system would drop a memory channel from time to time. Hopefully the teething issues get sorted out for you!
I've had this problem with an old Asus Z77 Sabertooth board. Same symptons as Jay, would be weird if I unplugged it and moved it. Would let it sit for like 10 minutes and it would be fine.
@@evanhooper1 On my X79 Sabertooth board I fixed it by manually inputting the timings and disabling training on the memory channels. It also sped uop the POST process a bit. On a side note, both X79 and X99 Sabertooth boards, I could never get fast boot to work. It would always hang on the next boot to Windows.
Hey Jay, just wanted to say you've been a huge inspiration to me for the last few years now. I've been running a 12900K for the last few months now and it has been good so far. 16GBx2 DDR5 5600MHz. I do have it overclocked 5.2GHz all 8P cores and 4.1GHz all E-Cores. Now granted, I do have 53x2, 52x6. AVX Ratio at 0. Overclocking TVB Enabled with TVB1/TVB2 95c -4, TVB3 - TVB8 95c -3. V/F Point Offset 6: -0.025 V/F7: +0.06. Min/Max Ring Cache: 40. Adaptive Mode Additional Turbo Mode CPU Voltage at +1.35. I get around 35c idle and around mid-high 80s under load when playing games. This is NOT ideal for Rendering but it has been an absolute dream for games.
Similar experience for me nothing like what Jay is getting. but haven't seen 70 yet under load playing Star Citizen SCUM, Anno1800 and more. and Running 34 inch Ultrawide Max settings. Love the system atm.
@@mentalmeerkat5040 you haven't stress-tested your system with a benchmark so your observations aren't comparable. You have to use a program to peg your CPU to 100% in order to see real temps under load.
@@buzzfightbeer8023 Moot point as my idles are even lower than his, don't have the voltage problem he has, nor do I have the posting issues or crashes. As we are talkin my Idle is 32. Go to his previous videos on this and check the temps over volting issues etc. That being said, I ran some test in the interim and no issues or as high temps observed. Not even getting 80C mid 70s. Room temps are cool as its winter here so maybe accounts for 5deg or so. MSI Unify Mobo z690 Gskill 32gig 2 x16gig DDR5 12900k Corsair H150i LCD
@@PitPendragon yea basically so its 5.3 when up to 2 cores are loaded but when 3-8 cores get loaded it'll go to 5.2 so if you use xtu that's the active core tuning setting, basically lets its still preserve some of the turboing for single core, At least that's what I'm assuming and how it works on my 9900k but don't know how the other things affect it beyond that 12 gen has some more complicated settings you can get into with the TVB and setup voltage frequency curves and stuff
This has actually helped make up my mind. I have an 8th gen build that needs upgrading. I was planning to upgrade to 12th gen, but now I think I'll throw in an 11th gen board and chip (don't need to change anything else), then just save up for when the platform is more mature and I can get all the good gear, instead of cutting corners with DDR4 B series boards like I would have to at the moment.
Had my 12900k with ddr4 originally with zero issues. Now changed to a new MB and ddr5 6200mhz 2x16gb and zero issues. Both times W11 was fresh installed. I did make sure my ddr5 was on the list on the Asus site as validated to work.
I have two 12th gen systems, running overclocked for about 3 months now, one with an asus board and one with a gigabyte board, both are on ddr4 (4000mhz cl18 both), didn’t have any issues with them and the performance is really impressive
@zFA113N NINJA on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand. (DDR5). DDR4 should be fine
@@pilsen8920 when i said in general or brand i meant the motherboards. or is it the DDR5? ...i went DDR4 because theres minimal difference. When did you do your purchases?
i built my first pc since 1993(god i am old). watching your vids inspired me as well gave me some helpful tips and advice. went with the 12900k on a z690 steel legend MB, 32 gb ram ddr4, 3080 gigabyte vision gpu all in the corsair 5000d icue case. it has been a week now and all systems running fine.
@@ayyyyp You think you're dating yourself, My first computer was bought in 1976, had to hand solder every component, wire, switch etc. All 1900 solder points.
Rather take the new Ryzen, Intel seem to struggle to keep up wattage vs speed and ipc. I mean.. an 5800x3d on an older plattform is better than 12900k at lower wattage and ghz..
Did my upgrade a bit over a week ago to an i5-12600k, so far it's been perfectly fine with 4 sticks of DR4-3200. Probably more stable than my i7-6700k system was. Parts list: Asus Z690-P D4 Corsair Vengeance Pro SL 4x8GB DDR4-3200 2TB Samsung 980 Pro (Game installs) 2x 1TB WD SN 750 Corsair H115i Elite 6+ year old EVGA 750 gold PSU.
I got a question please help me out. If I go from a 13 gen i7 to a 13 gen i9 I shouldn't have any types of updates, should I? z790 32g ddr5 4070ti 2tetb thanks if you can help
@@traviskelly7082 I don't think you'd need any kind of updates for that small of an upgrade. That said, it's not exactly going to be that much of a performance jump for most tasks, especially for gaming.
Its the biggest GPU intel offers and its for gaming lol am I wrong? up to 5.8 , I ran it on a bottleneck program at 1440 240fps with 256 gig mem on a z790 and a 4070 Ti it said 0%. and thank you I was just wondering about updates. I want to know what im getting into lol.@@1steelcobra
I have been using my 12900K for two months now and I have 0 issues with it. Everything works great. I'm using ASRock Z690 Taichi, my favorite all time motherboard.
Been running a 12600k for a couple months now with an Asus Z690M. It's been flawless. I think all the issues he was having seems like a very specific issue with possibly a bad CPU or board or like he said, it seems like maybe a faulty half-working ram module
If anyone is looking at the large kit from Ifixit just know that the larger bits are not magnetic. It was very disappointing to pay so much for something that I will not really be using. You would think something being sold for building and repairing electronics that this would be a given requirement to have.
My build screwdrivers are some random off brand that I picked up from target in a pinch a few years ago and found that they had incredibly strong magnetic tips... Like way stronger than most. So I moved them into my pc building tool kit where they've lived ever since
@@pistolfied I've tried to magnetize them myself. It doesn't seem to take, and for 1/4 bits that I paid $85 for should just work out of the box. If I purchase something that requires extra work out of the box it should either say so or should be a lower price. The quality of the bits and drivers are a 10/10. They fit perfectly in any screw that they are supposed to fit. The lack of magnetic bits is a QC problem when they say they should be something they are not.
Jay, I had bad RAM recently and all of the issues you describe seem to match my own. I am on 10900kf with ddr4, but still absolutely same issues. Consider switching the sticks.
I got ddr5 6000 ram and an asus z690e. The mobo maxes out at 4800hz allowability. Overclocking the ram to 6000hz wouldn’t even boot to windows. So I wasted like a $100 on better ddr 5. Don’t make this mistake.
My first build ever with 12th gen, system is solid as, using a MSI Carbon 690 board, DDR5 (xmp off) with a 3080ti. Mild OC on both. I run VR (reverb g2) sim racing and have had zero problems.
This sounds so similar to my experience with an ASRock board, ddr3 and a 4790k. I spent so much time and effort dealing with intermittent issues that were constantly solved by doing basically nothing that I just parted it out and started again. Just wasn't worth the time and effort anymore.
I'm running my 12700k since end of january, oc'ed with Asus ai suite, never had a single bluescreen or frozen system. Absolutely no problems so far. Really happy with it. Forget to mention: DDR4 3600 cl16 on Asus strix z690-a, gpu is still a 2080s. Since everything is custom watercooled, it's the best system I've ever had. Came from a 9900k..
What CPU cooler do you use? I'm thinkign about returning to Intel from Ryzen and I dont know which cooler to use. Need something that's easy to install and can keep the damn thing cool lol.
I used to build my own PCs, often out of junked parts just to see if I could get something to work. Spent many a late night trying to fix some weird BIOS issue or getting a MB to post or trying to straighten some bent pins on a CPU. I finally decided to treat myself and buy a pre-built gaming rig with a Core i7 11700F and an 8 GB 3070. Swapped out the RAM for 64 GB of Corsair Vengeance DDR4 and even with Win 11 Pro, it's been smooth sailing. It's not the newest or greatest, but it's fast and stable and looks pretty with all those LEDs in the case changing colours. It's nice to click the mouse and have the machine come out of hibernation exactly where you left off with no issues. Sometimes good enough is good enough. Since a lot of what I do is not platform or OS specific, I could have just given in to temptation and bought a Mac Studio, but I didn't give in to the dark side, and I came away happy with what I bought.
I’ve been running a 12900k with a 3090 for almost 2 months. So far my biggest issues with it is heat and ram speeds. It’s been great especially since I’m like you Jay I came from a 9980xe to this and it blows it away. Rendering out my first videos after switching to it made me laugh hysterically. So much faster even though I lost 2 real cores. Also gen 5 NVME storage is NUTS. Windows 11 has been good so far as well. All of my programs work just fine and WTF the windows search actually works now. I’ve noticed that a lot of the programs that I used, run on the CPU harder which could be why it’s so much faster. Also Wi-Fi 6 is great with the new motherboards especially when uploading files. I’ve had one issue where a ram speed setting would work great for about a week and then it would just boot loop. Then I would lower the ram speed down and it would work for a week and it would boot loop and reset again. I’m running the ram way slower than XMP but it’s still way faster than my older PC. Setup CPU: I9 12900kF Cooler: NZXT Z73 AIO with free room heater ;) Ram: 64GB DDR5 ram 6000 speeds ( I used two kits of 32 GB 6000. Runs at 4700 tho) Motherboard: MSI z690 MEG ACE Graphics Card: EVGA 3090 FTW 3 Power Supply: EVGA Supernova 1600w 80 plus platinum. Case: Lain Li o11 Dynamic XL
@@TL-in1lm Jay did a video on my issue before. I'm using two different kits of 32GB 6000 ram. For some reason the two separate kits are the issue. But I wanted to make sure I had 16gb in each ram slot. When I was on X299 it ran faster the more GBs you had in each slot versus the overall amount.
If you don't need 64GB, run 2 x 16 at XMP. I'm rock solid @ 6400CL32 with my kit but forget 4 sticks for now. Maybe a BIOS update will fix that eventually. Latest bios really helped making everything solid but I hope we can run 4 sticks at xmp soon.
Your description of issues sounds a lot like my experience when I had a ram stick start to die. It would even pass memtest sometimes, but would also lockup with frozen image on screen occasionally. Eventually I found errors in a memtest and got the stick RMAd never had the same issue again.
I’m running a 12700KF with DDR4 3200 and a 6900XT. Runs perfectly with no issues and performance is amazing. 12700K runs a bit cooler than the 12900 with only a minor performance dip.
Enjoyed the video, bummer about the stability issues. I've been using a 12700K/Asus TUF Gaming Z690/Corsair DDR4/RTX 3060ti/Kingston S3000 nvme for my main work machine for about a month now. Zero problems, but the only over clocking is XMP. Previous daily driver was a Dell 8th Gen i7 laptop with onboard Quadro. This machine is astonishingly faster in daily tasks. Most of my code is for windows console and service apps, so they are not huge, compiles are so much faster. I opted for DDR4, stability was critical for me. I did use win 11 since it knows how to deal with the ecores, no issues with stability and start 11 removes most the crap that bugs me.
Is there anything in windows 11 that you turned on/off that improved your workflow experience ? Getting a system with windows 11 pre installed and i've only used windows 10.
I’m running an ASUS Z690 with a 12700K and it’s been rock solid. The only difference (outside of mine being an i7 not i9) is that I opted to continue with DDR4 over DDR5 due to latency issues. For background: I run a communications and technology firm and have dealt with hundreds (if not thousands) of client systems over the past 20+ years. Honestly, it sounds like one of two things - a RAM issue or a PSU issue. I know what you’re thinking - a PSU issue?! What??? No. Seriously. I had my own personal system back in 2004 completely unable to run Half-Life 2. It would hiccup and crash. I swapped motherboards, RAM, CPUs, video cards… nothing fixed it. After months of banging my head against the wall, one day I swapped the power supply. I don’t even know why I did. Turned out that the old house I lived in previously had faulty electrical and the PSU had degraded over the years I lived there. Swapping it did the trick. I know. Crazy-sounding. EDIT: My 12th Gen i7 has been flipping outstanding. On a daily basis, I beat the heck out of my system running the entire Creative Suite, video editing in Premiere and Camtasia, and I’ve been gaming in the off-hours running Forza 5 and Dying Light 2 on my RTX 3080 12GB. Zero stability issues. My money is on the RAM, but don’t forget to swap the PSU if you keep experiencing problems, too. (I know, I know. It’s crazy)
I’d check the power at your receptacles in both rooms. You can also check for power consistency to see how steady the rec stays at the standard 120v. If it’s bouncing around a lot , that could be an issue. Also there could be voltage drop depending how far you are away from the panel. You could try a upc apc battery backup sine wave and that will provide a clean and consistent power to your pc. Some other simple fixes would be to unplug everything else from the problem circuit and see it the issue still happens. I guess if your really desperate you could change out the rec and circuit breaker with new ones.or it’s just a Lemmon motherboard.
Good response. Dirty power could mess things up. An AC unit that drops voltage on the circuit when it starts can mess things up as well as something that causes spikes or other problems. I thought modern PSUs would handle that, but who knows. I had a board that refused to boot if it was humid and the board was cold (not running for a while). I had to run a hair dryer on it to dry it out and get it to boot. Worked great in the winter though. :) Store wouldn't believe me when I tried to explain that permeable components were causing the problem. Honestly suspect Jay has a defective component somewhere. I mean in his computer. :)
Thanks for this video. And hopefully it will show younger audience that experienced only Intel for a decade (because Bulldozer) and didn't move to Ryzen, because it had "stability issues" - that this is universal. No matter what manufacturer your CPU is - when you move to new micro-architecture your system will Always have some problems. This might impact Intel slightly less - since they have more money to co-operate with Microsoft and other huge corporations on how their CPU's work with their software, but it will happen nonetheless. Usually the quality of company can be graded based on how quickly they respond to issues that pop up when large amount of people move to new micro-architectures. Intel response to 12th Gen when dealing with this problem was not bad, but could be better. I don't blame them, given that everything there is new (DDR5, PCIe 5.0 - though you mention 4.0 - I have to check, but if you have 4.0, Ryzen 5000 series and 5xx series mobos already had this and for NVMe drives it was a big change, so IDK if the change you were describing was due to faster processor, better SSD or you simply meant PCIe 5.0 and have drive that can use it?), but amount of money they have should have helped them dealing with it. Though it's also partially MS "fault" - after all Windows 11 is a new OS. So some of the problems might come from this as well. Honestly looking forward to see how AM5 and Zen4 will handle their issues - and especially looking forward to your video(s) about it. AMD for once has enough market share that they should be able to have enough money to validate and debug some stuff prior to launch, but a) they still don't have the Intel's budget for that nor co-operation with Software developers on the same level and b) Regardless - it will be new architecture, so it will have issues. I hope that this time at least they will have co-operation from mobo people that won't release "mediocre" mobos like 3xx series of AM4. And that their response time to their specific problems will be as quick as it is for Intel. We need competition, we literally cannot afford to not have one. So I wish people in Intel, NVIDIA and AMD that they continue to develop great things and that their profits will be enough to ensure that R&D and debugging is as swift as possible, but that they won't be so high, because of them increasing prices. I understand inflation and transport costs increase - I can handle increase in price of that range. But above that - No, it's greed. And yes - I'm an AMD fanboy for disclosure. That doesn't mean I won't buy Intel or NVIDIA. All it means is that if I have 2 equal (or almost equal, since literal equality is improbable) products - one from AMD and one from other vendor - I will choose AMD. But if performance or price or power use is worse on AMD product, I will buy Intel or NVIDIA. I'm my wallet fanboy 😉
I lived through the P4 and their even worse bastard children, the first Celerons. Over 30 years or so, intel has inconvenienced me plenty. I have also watched every generation of DDR fail to surpass its predecessor for 12-18 months after launch. I am just reading all these comments, laughing at all you DDR5 suckers out there. I used DDR until DDR3 came out and then I switched to DDR2. When DDR4 came out, I switched to DDR3. I did buck the trend with DDR4, adopting it in Dec 2020. And i probably won't wait for DDR6 but I will wait at least two years before building a PC that uses DDR5.
The first thing you should suspect with a hard lockup is the PSU. Bad voltage stability can do that. With access violations (e.g. BSOD when it's in Windows and applies to ring 0 code), memory is the first suspect.
Since Jay asked about 12th gen in general, one of the PC i'm using is an 12700k and it has worked flawlessly for close to 2 months now. However 12th gen is where the similarities end between my PC and what Jay has: i still use Windows 10 and i still use DDR4, my mobo is a Gigabyte z690.
Had a similar issue with my 12900k and 3090 system on ddr4 platform. I dropped 200mhz off the ram and it runs smooth now. Specs of my Build are in my uploaded Videos description.
Exactly same experience, well a 12700k and a 3090, running four sticks DDR¤ for 64GB RAM at 3600mhz, after a march bios update it posts on XMP, but was unstable, frequent crashing to desktop mostly. After dropping 200mhz to 3400mhz, it's been rock solid and honestly seems more responsive and boots faster. Faster isn't always faster if it isn't stable, I guess.
12900k 3090 ddr5 6000 cl32. So far perfectly stable 1.5 months oh and I have the cpu on AI overclock. It typically sits between 5.5 and never below 5.3
I bought DDR4 4800Mhz TeamForce Ram and it worked at first then it started acting weird by getting BSOD and rebooting it would work but then started doing it again. Returned it and got another pair and got no post. THen decided to go with 4000MHZ Tridentz royals and it did work but would freeze in Destiny 2 randomly. Lowered the clock to 3600 and I haven't had 1 problem since. Running the 12900K on a Steel Series Legend Z690 Windows 11. I even overclocked the CPU to 5.1 using Intel Extreme utility and still solid. I don't know, 12th gen doesn't play nice with higher speed DDR4 Ram sticks
@@fortnite360HZ Wish you were right, i overclocked my cpu and gpu after the 200mhz drop pulling more power and still hasnt done what it did. I think its a Task scheduler/DDR4 on 12gen issue
I think you might have a bad soldering joint. The board gets hot, parts expand, lose connection on a component. It cools off, geys connection back and works. I would also check voltage on the battery. Low voltage will also cause weird things.
This has made me realize how stable my 3600 is despite overclocking it the edge; for those curious it's not a good sample being earlier silicon, I'm running 1.3375V and 4.15GHz under a 280MM AIO.
I got the 12600K after release along with Windows 11 and haven't had any issues with those but.... The Z690 motherboard issues were a disaster. I got the Gigabyte Z690i DDR4 and had to RMA it THREE times for QC issues. First time it was DOA; second time was a dead m.2 slot, third time it was the PCIe slot intermittently recognizing my GPU. I did not have a working system for like 4+ months. I finally went Asrock and has been solid since.
on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand. (DDR5). DDR4 should be fine
@@waifuhunter9709 I get you. I just made my purchased, but I stuck with DDR4. Now, I’m wondering if I should’ve stick with DDR5, but I want 4 ram not 2. Thats the issue supposedly I am hearing. Now I want to do a return and just stick with DDR5. Ughhh
12900KF here. No post issues. No BSODS. Its a DDR5 system. I use it for gaming and making daily TH-cam videos. Temps seem alright on a 360mm cooler in a Corsair 5000D. This is all on Windows 11 and a Gigabyte motherboard. I have moved and plugged it in in several outlets and haven't had a post issue.
Upgraded my wife's computer to 12th gen with DDR4 and it's been rock solid, even with the existing Windows install. I definitely think DDR5 is your culprit here.
Hey Jay, you mentioned that the problems happened in one room but not the other, to me that sounds like a power source problem, meaning not the computer, but the power strip, outlet, or wall circuit that you're plugged in to. Just a thought, hope you get it figured out soon 👍
A power conditioner could definitely alleviate the problem to some degree. Personally I'm intrigued by this situation because I think it is giving us a huge hint that this errant system behavior might be due to peak current draw. Not voltage or wattage, but current. In a circuit the wattage is basically a proportional amount of voltage times current (amps). At 200w, higher voltage draws less current. Less voltage means more current. So if systems are trying to automatically undervolt as cores are idle or doing mediocre tasks, and the system suddenly hits it with a dozen instances of low vcore tasks... that could potentially be destabilizing. And if Jay's a techie who likes to have his monitoring apps open all the time, he probably has HWinfo up in the background trying to ping each of the "idle" cores and recreate this scenario a thousand times a minute. The bottleneck of this system is, surprisingly, not the PSU. It's the board VRMs. The peak current draw is usually default-capped in the BIOS at around 190 amps. If you have a chip that wants to draw over 220w at the exact moment that all of the cores are "idle," and the voltage curve is still averaging .88v because the tasks are all low-priority, then your system is gonna ask for a huge (albeit microscopically short) initial spike of over 250 amps all at once! Obviously it's gonna ramp up the vcore immediately, but that teeny tiny microsecond of a current shortage might be enough to crash it. Meanwhile you could run a stress test on the CPU running 250w at 1.4v and it won't stall out once, because it's only pulling about 180A from the VRMs and the system will be carefully easing its way up to that level the whole time. CPUs and mobos these days are very good at balancing this at full load. If it's an unstable overclock, you'll know pretty quickly. Though if you have a 12900k, you're more likely to hit the thermal ceiling at load before you have any current draw issues anyway. Now if you have a motherboard with halfway decent VRMs and you are able to raise the EDC or ICCMAX setting through the BIOS, then it should be able to handle this peak current draw issue no problem. That little blip during idle shouldn't be enough to cause appreciable heat output. However if raising this allows you you pull more amps at load than the mobo is designed for, then you're gonna see runaway VRM thermals and possibly a roasted board. The big problem for consumers who might want to diagnose this problem is that motherboard and CPU manufacturing spec sheets are all designed around maximum TDP, which is more of a thermal measure rather than a measure of basic power delivery. How many peak amps can your VRMs safely deliver? You're not likely to get that information. Everyone cares about how much cooling you need and far you can push it at full load, not how stable it can be at low voltage. Nobody's really all that aware of what kind of amperage is being pulled in their system. But as core counts rise and vcores drop at idle this may become much more of a problem. AMD users have noticed issues like these for a while, but now that Intel is getting in the game with all these stacks of e-cores and aggressive c-state curves, it's starting to affect them too. Of course, this is somewhat speculative because a wide number of things could cause spooky behavior like this (some blame TPM implementation). Could simply be Windows failing to schedule things correctly, but people are noticing similar issues with Linux as well. Or it could even be an issue caused by monitoring apps like HWinfo pinging each of the idle CPU cores every 1ms, causing them to freak out and create more "perfect storm" scenarios as they ramp up & down repeatedly, sometimes syncing up just right to cause a lock up. VRMs aside, another problem is that the voltage in the building could also have too much variance in it (or the power supply TO the building, if you live in Texas with a bad grid). A normal 15A 120v circuit should provide a theoretical 1800w no problem. But you never get exactly 120v from any outlet. Often you get a range of 115-125v. If the voltage dips below 110v or even 100v then the available wattage could dip down as low as 1500w. Any other devices on that circuit are going to chip away at that as well. Even if it's just some LED lights in the ceiling, it adds up. This could create teeny tiny brown-out scenarios that starve the PSU capacitors just enough to screw up the VRM power delivery. Jay should test the incoming AC voltage as well as the rated amps of the circuit breakers just to rule this out. Hard to say which one is the smoking gun here, but the fact that Jay was experiencing this issue based entirely on where his computer is plugged in has lead me to believe that it is entirely a power delivery issue somewhere in the chain.
I run a 12900k on a strix z690 with 2x 16g vengeance ddr5 5600and strix 3080ti and have not experienced any issues as of yet... however my computer is stationary and never unplugged. I may have to test that now after watching this. thanks for the great vid
I've had the exact same issue with boot or system changes. I have a 12600k, 32 gb 5600mhz Gskill DDR5, and an asus Z690-A Prime. Any time I do a Bios update of which there are many, it's a a solid hour to get it back functional. I've also found leaving it alone somehow makes it think about life enough to fix. Only other issue I've found has been an occasional 5 minute delay of hardwired network connecting. Initially it was on a dirt cheap DDR4 board from MSI and the problems weren't present, so I'm assuming it's ram related. It has been a smooth transition other than that
@@lanegillespie9430 I keep hoping a Bios update will fix it but no luck yet. Luckily being my computer doesn't move much it's not an issue and it isn't work critical but annoying nonetheless
@@MusabXD3000 I'd hardly call it a cheap board. And being I have a friend with an Rog strix board experiencing similar issues and another with an Aorus master? Nah not the board. At least not the posting issues. Just happens that the last commenter had the same one.
@@somekidwithanm4 on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand. (DDR5). DDR4 should be fine
I went for 12700K on a DDR4 platform and I had loads of memory training issues to start. For a long time I couldn't lock XMP profiles (on a 3200 CL14 kit). Strangely, I could manually set timings to get it to boot but it wasn't particularly stable. I believe that issue was sorted out by a later bios revision. I had lots of weird, stuttery issues as well during normal use but I think that may have been due to using Win 11 on a pair of Gen4 nvme drives in RAID0. I only used it for a couple of weeks in that configuration before I switched back to Win 10 on a single drive which was a more pleasant experience. I also couldn't really overclock the system without using more exotic cooling; I normally use a NH-D15 that was just not up to the task. It's been fun to play with the new platform but it's definitely less stable, less efficient and requires much greater cooling than the 5900X I switched from (and have since switched back to). The Linux experience is still pretty shaky on 12th gen as well, depending on your base distro.
Yeah but everybody is so gung ho for new RAM, new PCIe, new NVMe, and GPUs drawing 1200W, lol. Your problems will pale in comparison to theirs. People will literally be dying for next gen when they set their house on fire.
The only time I've had the same reliability issues that you're reporting was when my mainboard had defective RAM slots (most likely due to mechanical stress). Have you tried if using different DIMMs solves it for you? As a software developer, I'm happy with my 12900K system. Lots of performance when I'm compiling, but dead silent when I'm not. The latter is what I do most of time - read, think and write code. During that time the CPU sits at < 10W. My fans are all set to turn off at low temps, so I have a dead silent, no moving parts system most of the day. When running under full load, the NH-D15 does the trick, < 90C, still comparably quiet. No overclocking, but undervolting.
@@stefanwerner5799 compromises, they always get ya, i am in no interest in buying a pc soon, my theory is if i keep stuff below 70c it should last longer? Atleast the fans will be the first to fail, and tbh its kinda loud during work but most of the time its okay, and half of the time i use headphones, so i cant hear that
@@eustahijelifetips Laptop CPUs run at 90C+ all the time, and I have several laptops that lastet 10+ years. This is what those parts were designed for. I've never seen a CPU die due to thermal stress (or other reasons, TBH), they always ran until they became outdated.
Just finished my 12900k build. First thing I did was undervolt. It's way too power hungry for my liking. Was able to go -0.075 vcore offset and 190watt with no loss in Cinebench. I feel they really are inefficient to push performance, beyond what we've ever seen in the past.
Why on earth would you buy a whole 12900k only to undervolt it? Let me guess, you also bought a whole RTX 3090 and you chose to underclock it because you don't like how hot it gets when gaming? Perhaps you also own a BMW M5 Competition, but chose to detune the engine because you don't like how much fuel it consumes.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior He explained. So you get a cooler, more stable, less power-hungry system with virtually no loss in performance. It's not that complex, dude.
@@Montrovantis He didn't explain any of that lol, didn't say there were stability issues before, didn't say the performance was the same, he just said it's too power hungry.
Just built an i7 12700 with a rtx 3080 tuf oc. Built in a Nzxt h1 v2. Has been great so far. Touch wood. Great thermals. Great performance. But I opted for DDR4 and an aorus b660i MoBo. It was definitely the way to go.
I was having similar stability issues where games would lock up, although, I didn't require a power cycle to recover. I disabled all overclocking on the CPU, didn't really need it anyway. But I believe my issues were solved when I switched from XMP II to XMP I. The system has been very stable since I did that. 12700k ASUS Maximus Formula Trident Z 32GB 6000 MHz 3080 FTW3 Ultra Windows 11
I've had a lot of stability issues with my 12900K on a ROG Strix Z690-G ... Listening to this is me hearing Jay go through EVERYTHING that I've been doing for the last couple months. I've found things a lot better for the last few weeks, but somehow entirely lost the option to enable XMP for my DDR5 6000 memory in the BIOS. It just isn't there anymore. I haven't been working to hard on solving that right now though, because at last my system is running stable now.
I have the same board can you tell me what’s your Boot Time is? My PC takes at least 40 seconds to boot completely from Power Button to Windows Login screen!
Love my 12900k after around a month of use. Haven't experienced any issues with DDR5 and ASUS motherboard. It definitely runs warm and I undervolted with offset of -.095. It still benches ~27k in Cinebench while being 10-15 degrees cooler.
In our company we've upgraded to self built 12900k systems about a month after launch. In the beginning had some issues with the bios settings but after those where solved they have been rock solid. We're using these for software development and some gaming. All systems are ddr4 and water cooled with the same over clocking settings.
Hilarious timing. I'm watching this video right now while waiting for my memory test to complete on my DDR5 memory. I have spent months trying to figure out how to get this platform stable, and it's still on-going. I've been chasing what I thought was instability on my CPU, but I'm now starting to wonder if it's RAM related. Never had to put this much work into stability testing as I have on this platform. It's fast, but my God. I haven't had much issues with the 12900k in games and work, with the exception of Star Citizen. That game absolutely will not run with the E cores enabled. You HAVE to disable them (and parking the cores doesn't work either), which is extra annoying.
@@thegamerboy1000 I actually came up with a new workaround today. Turning off C-States and Intel Speed Step/Shift. That seems to have done the trick, for some reason.
on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand. (DDR5).
@@jmancd DDR4 should be fine. Definitely, if you bought during the time of release then I understand many issues and problems, But about if revisions now. I mean if you bought now or about a month ago.
This is probably going to get lost in the sea of comments, but have you considered the possibility of dirty power? I work in a large enterprise environment with a wide swath of new, aging, and ancient infrastructure. I only suggest it because I've encountered similar issues in the last couple years with increased frequency in buildings that require power conditioners for most modern electronics. Dirty power is wild in the problems that it can introduce and is often not something most folks even consider.
06:42 No overclocking is the problem. System these days try to optimize too aggressively for all use cases. For gamers a static frequency and voltage is always the best. I ran my 12700K at 48/47 and turn off E-cores and gave it some overvoltage to make it super stable and temp at 60-70C under stress test.
For balance, I've had a 12900K build running for 7 months being used 12+ hours daily pretty intensively... absolutely zero issues, in fact I'd say stability is one of the strong points from my POV.
That's good to hear. I was originally planning to build a new system with Zen 4, but the more I think about it the less I want to be on the first generation of a complete new platform. I'm now leaning towards Intel 13th gen instead, especially as it will be compatible with current Z690 motherboards which will have had time for issues to be flattened out and be a little more stable than 12th gen was on average.
Hey there Jay, I jumped on 12th Gen right out of the gate. Here's my system: 12900K, GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS PRO, 32GB Corsair DDR5 4800, 2 NVME dries, 1 SSD SATA drive, 1 SATA bulk storage drive. For my GPU I'm running an EVGA FTW3 3080 TI. My power supply is a CORSAIR RM850 CP-9020235-NA 850 W ATX. My case is an MSI MPG GUNGNIR 111M. All the fans (3 front, 1 rear, 2 AIO) are corsair fans controlled by iCUE. The CPU Cooler is the iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX CPU Cooler. Regardless of my best efforts, if I push the CPU with a heavy test load, I'll hit 100 degrees on most of the P cores. I keep looking at other AIO options, but I'm not sure if going to a 360 setup would make that much of a difference. Being self-employed, this computer is used for everything, i.e., content creation, office applications, accounting, adobe suite apps, and of course gaming. Most of my gaming is very limited as I play valorant with my daughter. I also play a little halo infinite (campaign and online), and that's about it. The bulk of the work is content creation. I had some issues early on, like really early on where the system would post ok one time and then not another. After updating the bios to the most recent revision, that's been solved. I did order another 2 sticks of Corsair DDR5 4800 ram to bring the system up to 64 GB. If I try and run 64 GB, the system will crash at some point. If I enable XMP, it will do it more quickly and more often. If I run the ram as base freq, then it's a lot better, but still will throw a blue screen now and then. As I also stream for my work, stability is far more important than an extra 32gb of ram. Hopefully, there will be an update to resolve this. When I run 2 sticks of ram, the system is stable as a rock. No issues. The responsiveness is certainly noticeable. I like testing various PC builds simply as a hobby, and the 12th Gen has been the top performer so far. Cheers Rick
Thanks for a review of the new tech. I am skipping 12th Gen, as I got into Ryzen last year (5900x and 5600x for my 2 PCs). With all the new standards that dropped at nearly the same time - socket, DDR5, PCIe 5.0 - I didn't feel like being the troubleshooting department for making them all work together. I may jump onto the new Ryzen CPUs when they drop, but at least DDR5 will be a bit more mature and mobos should at least have that figured out by then. Also, interested in new PSUs with the new PCIe power plugs... hope to see those reviewed soon as well.
Just built a new pc with a 5800x3D, end of the gen so no more upgrading, but tbh I’ll enjoy all the stability and I know people still playing their games on gtx 970’s, and I only play multiplayer fps, which those come out once in like 5-10 years at this point. So I think having stable gen with what imo is currently the best cpu available will be absolutely fine.
it’s such a beast, it just gets pretty hot while gaming. i pretty much can’t play new world without getting to 75-80c so i just don’t even bother. to be fair, it seems more like it’s new world’s fault, but it’s proof that if this cpu gets a heavy load it will be cooking
The 12th gen problems sound a lot like my experiences with bad RAM, but like Jay says, it could be *anything*. This is why I'd rather wait for 13th gen+ Intel or (preferably) the next Ryzen after the upcoming one, just to avoid the early adopter alpha testing
I have a 12th gen system, and yes it has it's hiccups... Especially when I first got it... I had to fine tune soooo many things with regards to OC, and XMP to get it running at a usable/comfortable setting.... The error I have, that Jay has, is actually a Q-Code 64 error which stalls the system at both either a cold boot, or hot restart... The somewhat different thing for me is, I at least see the post screen of the Asus brand where it hangs... The solution to it (or livable solution I would say) is to just press the physical restart button on your case... Sounds stupid, but it actually works guaranteed every time... Next time it hangs for you, just restart manually... Not shutdown (i.e. Hold power button to shut down), just restart.... Additionally, RAM is definitely a constant "war of the machines" in my setup... I have 6000 Mhz sticks from trident that I can't enjoy at its full capacity... I had to draw it down to 5200 Mhz, which is stable for me... So yes, XMP and OC does work, but it is within what your system will deem as "reasonable limits"... Thing I couldn't tell you is, if you're a customer interested in buying parts to setup a new system, is if the issue with XMP lies in above 5400+ Mhz RAM sticks, or that power voltage delivery is unable to feed power through dimms/capacitor/etc to the sticks maximum capabilities regardless of its speed.... Hope this helps someone.... 🧡
I had a similar issue with not booting with one of the dell PCs. However, that issue was that after the bios update that it expected the m.2 SSD to have a newer firmware than it had and thus did only warm boot (restart, etc.) Check out if all firmware are up to date.
I have had to opposite experience so far. no BSOD, XMP profiles worked to get the mem to advertised speed. CPU is over clocked 12900k on a ROG STRIX Z690-F GAMING WIFI Board, 32GB of DDR5 6000 (OC), i'll update if things go south been a month or more so far.
I built a new system in February 2022 much like yours Jay. Asus ROG Strix Z690-E motherboard, i9 12900K, 32 GB G.Skill 6000 DDR5, EVGA RTX 3080Ti, Windows 11 Pro. I made sure I was on the latest BIOS, and have the latest chipset drivers etc. I also made sure my memory was on the qualified Asus list for this motherboard, and I have no overclocking set except for using the XMP1 profile for my memory. Temps on the video card and the CPU are around 32 degrees Celsius at idle, and under load are between 60 and 70 Celsius each (I have a 360mm Enermax AIO cooler on the CPU and 4 case fans in my Corsair 5000D Airflow case). The system has been rock-solid EXCEPT for when I run Battlefield 2042. That game would regularly crash and put me back to the desktop seemingly at random. Some nights it doesn't happen at all, and other nights it happens three times in an hour. No problems with any other games or apps (like Rainbow Six Siege, or when I edit and encode my GeForce Experience videos for TH-cam using the ShotCut program). The first thing I did in an attempt to stop the crashes with BF2042 was to use DDU to remove all the drivers and reinstall the latest GeForce drivers and GeForce Experience. After that, BF2042 would still crash and I even had a complete system lock-up and blue screen error while running BF2042 (a first for my system). However, it has just been over the past few days that I believe I have figured out the reason for my BF2042 crashes. When I play BF2042, I stop running the EVGA Precision X1 software (I still run Precision X1 all other times). Over the past few days, I have not had a single crash or blue screen while running BF2042. I suspect that BF2042 simply does not run well with Precision X1 for some reason. I hope this helps someone out there and gives some insight into what may be causing issues others may be having. I'm very happy with my 12th gen system and am very glad I built it earlier this year. Good luck in resolving the remaining issues you may still have with your system. I know it's not an easy or always fun thing to troubleshoot.
Do you use the EVGA Precision X1 for overclocking only or for RGB control as well? If only for overclocking maybe MSI Afterburner would solve your issue.
@@thorlus Thanks for the reply. I only used it for monitoring purposes. I didn't do any overclocking, or RGB management. I just liked having it up on my second monitor to watch temperatures and clock speeds while I was playing a game. Since that time Battlefield still crashes every now and then so I think in the end it was just the game. Other software and games I run don't crash.
I have jumped on the 12 gen bandwagon as well (12900k). But it is a ddr4 system (ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4) with 32 gbs of 4000mhz ram and a 3080ti. The only thing i have to complain after 4 months is that its hard to keep this sucker cool even with a 360mm AIO. Out of the box with XMP enabled, it was thermal throttling withins 2 minutes on all P cores except 1 while using cinebench R23. Undervolting it a little helps but it still will thermal throttle after 10 minutes or so on some P cores. I cannot undervolt any more because im starting to have stability problems. I was wondering if the heat issue might be related to the fact that its a ddr4 system. Cant wait for you to try it on ddr4 to see what you think of it!
That's not good. How bent your cpu is? Have you done the washer mod? I gained 5-10c depending on the core and now i'm like 90c in cinebench. My cpu shows a little bent when checking against light so i ordered the new thermal grizzly contact plate and planning to do some sanding. But yeah i guess in order to get it under 80c we need to delid.
@@jaybee0507 I tried with my old H110iGT it was loose so i did put some washers to get some pressure on the cpu package. It did not work for me... so was like hey lets go from a 280 to a 360
I had a lot of the same issues at the beginning, random freezing or restarts, blue screen of death... I have a 12th gen i9-12900K, Asus RTX 3060 12g oc, Maximus z690 formula, corsair vengeance DDR5 64g 5200Mhz ram. I kept getting a 00 error code. Long story short I found out that the ram was actually causing the issue. Then I had to use the onboard video output because, for some reason, it didn't like the driver from Nvidia. However, after updating everything and switching to windows 11 I have not had any issues. I'm getting too old to compete in PVP anymore, my response time is too slow lol, but it's a perfect rig imo for farming and streaming video on a separate monitor.
I've been on a 12900K since release on an Asus ROG Strix Z690 Gaming A DDR 4 board with a 3080 and have had 0 issues Jay, slight overclock to 5ghz all core on the CPU and 2 x 16gb Sticks of Crucial ballistix DDR 4 CL14 3600 running at 3800 on Windows 11, It's been rock solid since day 1.
I have had my 12700K for 5 months now and it has been great. I am using a DDR4 platform with XMP enabled with no issues. I have had only 1 app that had an issue with the E-Cores. Knockout City would have massive stuttering issues and be unplayable until I disabled the E-Cores in my BIOS. I also have had issues with Lock-Ups however my monitors cut to white, green, or black, with the 0x116 code. Its almost like the GPU stops responding because sounds are still being played and I can still communicate with people via discord before the system resets. Which leads me to think its not an issue with the CPU. I have used both Windows 10 and 11 on this machine (Just upgraded to Windows 11 a couple days ago) and so far no issues. I will see if I get the same 0x116 codes on Windows 11. UPDATE: My PC just crashed with the same 0x116 Code, so I can confirm it still happens on windows 11 System Specs: CPU: i7 12700K GPU: GTX 1070Ti RAM: 64GB DDR4 @3600MHz MOBO: MSI Z690 Gaming Edge Wi-Fi Boot Drive: Samsung 850 Evo SSD
After using AMD for years (2700x) and thinking about upgrading to a 5950x I decided to make the switch to intel after seeing all the benchmarks. I'm currently running a 12900K in a ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4 motherboard with 64gb of DDR4 CL14 4000mhz ram & a 3080ti and I have to say I'm really glad I didn't go AMD this time. No hiccups whatsoever and it cruises at 1440p like it's nothing! And with PCIe5 GPU's right around the corner I'm not feeling any buyers remorse
I've always been a fan of intel. I switched to amd two years ago using the 3950x and no problems whatsoever. Just switched to the 5950x and it was a big improvement since the 5950x can reach a little over 5.0 ghz (so far 5.1 ghz on it air cooled). My 3950x never got over 4.3 ghz (bad luck on the silicon lottery). Wish I could use the 7950x but would have to buy a new mobo, and ram. That chip looks like it can hit 6.0 ghz water cooled.
Hey J 12900KF Gigabyte Aorus Master Z690. Ran fine for 2 days but had lots of memory training issues on GSKILL @6400. 2 days and it damaged 1x 16Gb stick from the pair. Swapped GKSILL for Corsair @6000MHz and it's been smooth sailing for the last 3 months. I am struggling with overclocking and heat issues (aorus waterforce x360), other than that its really been great. New subscriber, thank you for the content. Built this 12gen, my first PC after watching almost all your videos.
I've been using my 12900K for several months to almost a year. No issues. Only issue I had on that platform was getting the board to see 64GB DDR5. A BIOS update did the trick.
have you had any issue related to high temps and a lot of heat? I’ve bought i9 12900k a week ago and i’m struggling against high temps around 95/100 Celsius
@@victoralcantara5747 I’m running a 360mm aio with a 12900k and it hits 95C at full usage, mines slightly over clocked though. If you are having Colin troubles I recommend undervolting/under clocking the cpu a bit
@@elvewizzy temps are easy enough to manage if you set a fan on them. The issues with ddr5 I reckon are first gen tech issues, they'll improve, both the trace routes in subsequent designs, and firmware updates.
I agree, i think this ties into the other issue where 12th gen couldnt run 4 dimms of high speed ram. Im guessing 2 dimms just lower the instability (as oppose to removing it all together). Has to be related to the IMC still in its first iteration for ddr5, i think ddr5 is much further ahead than the current gen CPUs controller. Similar to when 1st gen i7 ddr3 would cap out at 2000mhz, when haswell took it all the way to 3000mhz due to IMC improvements.
I finally picked up my last piece of hardware for my new 12th gen ddr5 build (first computer build ever so I'm crossing my fingers I don't mess anything up). Big improvement from my current 2nd gen ddr3 PC. From reading the comments, it seems that the instability comes mainly from the DDR5 memory. I hope I don't have such issues, I'm terrified of having a boot problem and needing to troubleshoot it. Anyway, I've been watching a bunch of your videos lately, and I appreciate how clear and easy to understand you make everything. It gave me confidence to try my hand at pc building. I'm quite anxious about it to be honest. I'll be posting an update on how it goes!
How did you get on ? I’m just about to finish my first build also , aorus master mb ddr5 ram 12600KF hard tube liquid cooled .. just about to bend my last tube and fill the lines … I’m paranoid now
@@NRLFREAKS Everything is running smoothly since the first boot! granted, I'm running an air cooling tower, so no water cooling involved. But luckily everything worked and I had no issues whatsoever. My only concern is that I may have put a little too much thermal paste, but I'm too scared to take it apart and look at the footprint tbh. CPU temps are a little higher than I would have hoped for, but still well under the safe limit, hitting 4.98Ghz consistently without any throttling (12700K). Still, I'm putting off certain things that could easily bring problems: Mb bios update, and setting up the XMP to take advantage of the 5.2Mhz memory. I might never do it at all, as honestly I don't think I will ever need it.
Great video Jayz. I have a 12 Gen Intel system (i712700K) and as most users who like updated hardware and software, I put up with some of the headaches that arise. I’m in the process of getting myself up to speed in the video editing arena and am currently working with Davinici Resolve Studio. While I like games, I don’t have much time for them considering my full time job in management, the occasional round of golf, and my faith based responsibilities (oh, did I forget to mention my Mrs. :-) . Back to the point at hand…I wanted a system (of reasonable cost) to get me through the new hobby of mine (videos, edit, etc). My other system (which I’ve repurposed most of the hardware and incorporated into the new) was /is based on the Intel 9900KF, 32G DDR4 ram, multiple 1TB NVME /PCIE drives and NVIDIA 2070Super. The issues initial installation of Windows 11 aggravated me so much that I almost went back to a clean install of windows 10;but, if you have great hardware, its a crime not to use the proper software that takes advantage and is designed for your investment. Thanx for the great posts and videos (wide range of tech topics…love it).
Why I'm anti-Windows-11: How about the removal of many taskbar settings and options? How about moving the sound icon under another icon in the bottom right part of the task bar. How about removing option to move taskbar to top, left, right, etc? Oh and the [very badly built] Xbox app being available for Windows 10? Most of the changes seem to be removing and abstracting features for increased elegance with reduced user options/control. Copying Apple?
I upgraded to i9 12900k, Asus z690, rtx 3080, ddr5 - 5600, about 1 month ago and I have had zero issues. the only issue I ran into was when I turned cpu ai overclocking on. cinebench and games blue screened. temps are hot and fans run high and load also but I'm okay with that. cheers J!
Been running a 12700k (to replace a 6700k, kept the GTX1080 from prev. build) for a few months now. Went with the DDR4 build to save cash, and no complaints so far. Definitely some weird booting issues from time to time. Definitely concerned about the power usage if I choose to upgrade the GPU later, as I bought a new EVGA 750W PSU, and looking at how power hungry some cards are I might not have enough for everything. Chose a Noctua NH-D15, been very satisfied.
Hi, my take on this is that my good old Hackintosh got a "little" outdated for my homestudio works (music production, audio editing and 4k footage editing) and i stumbled across guys wondering if it would be possible to make this happen on 12th gen CPUs, as Apple does not use them. Long story short, these insane nuts made it happen with not too much hassle to get around the big/little stuff and i tried to give it a crack. Thunderbolt is working, performance is insane - to be honest: power draw as well, but given the fact the Mac would have cost me at least three times the money i consider this a win/win for me. And no: for this setup AMD would have never been a possibility, as AMD hacks always show up weird issues with Apple specific software as Adobe studio, Logic, FCPX or the macos version of Davinci. As i am dealing with the power draw only while rendering, it is bearable for me. Fun fact is that i am getting the same performance with my macos setup as with my WIN11 setup (dual boot). Am i happy ? Yes ! P.S.: GB Z690 Gaming X DDR4, 32 GB DDR 3600-CL16, 12700K, some NVME Gen4 drives and my trusty RX 570 8GB (for given reasons)...and anything before BIOS version F4 was...ahem...difficult - so this stuff was not only Asus related.
Hi Jay, just finished setting up 12th gen. 12700K + Asus TUF Gaming Plus Wifi D4.. So far no blue-screens, no issue with system hanging.. XMP 1 profile set in and never had an issue. ☺️🤞🏻
I'm waiting for the new platforms at the end of this year. I'm due for a change being on 7th gen Intel but I'm comfortable to wait with what is right around the corner. I won't be building as soon as they drop likely due to scarcity and demand so will have to wait a bit.
Been using a 12900k for about a month now myself. Been awesome, running all my games great in conjunction with my RTX 3090. Haven't had any issues so far.
Im running a 12900k, PRIME Z690-P D4, MSI 6600XT, G Skill (2x32) 3200 64GB of DDR4 and 1TB WD Black SN850 NVMe. Knock on wood, not a single issue. Been up with no down minus OS updates with 0 issues. Granted i'm not moving it from room to room (that sounds like a physical issue to me). I'm running Linux (Fed 35) with Qemu/KVM with 1 win 10 vm and 3 Linux VM's always running and MacOS 12.3.1 with the 6600xt PCI passthrough as my desktop 24x7 with 0 issues. I couldn't be happier. Running the mem with xmp2.0, and standard Asus performance settings.
This is why you wait for the 2nd round on a new socket, which unfortunately for Intel users means often the final round of a socket since they change every 2 gens
I have 2 12900K systems that have been running for over a month. I have 1 12900KF system that I've had for about 5 months. The first two systems are being used by my kids and they have been dead stable. The latter system is my personal development machine. I have a 5950 system as well, and the 12900KF system is 30-50% faster in compilation of various applications I'm developing. All systems have been dead stable. All are Asus 690 motherboards with RTX-3080 FTW3s and DDR5. Not running XMP on any of them. I'm about ready to buy another system and it'll be a 12900K, too. In retrospect, I wouldn't have done DDR5 in the two systems for my kids, as there's not enough of a performance advantage over DDR4 for their use.
I just built a 12th gen system. 12700K, Prime Z690-A, 32gb Trident DDR5 5600 and a 6700XT. Posted with no issues. I got one blue screen in the first few days but now it is running flawlessly. I am very happy with my upgrade. Good luck.
This is probably why it always seems like a good idea to wait until the second generation in a new CPU socket's life. By then most teething problems be it CPU, Motherboard and RAM or a combination of the 3 will at least me known or fixed by then.
@@Brian-iz9sh honestly though when you upgrade your CPU you usually end up upgrading the mobo too. Even on an AMD system. Otherwise you'd be missing out on new features.
I would like to see more of this,cause persons just build a pc show it works n when you do build the same build you run into alot of software problems.
I built my first pc about 2 months ago. I have the 12700k and I have not had a single problem. I absolutely love it. It is very fast and I do not regret it.
I had the problems you described when I underclocked the cache voltage to much. I'm now running 5.0Ghz cache with just 0.010v offset undervolt 100% stable. Running the Asus TUF Gaming D4 z690-plus wifi which is a DDR4 board though.
I had an incredibly frustrating experience getting a stable 12th gen build using a 12700k which isn't as taxing on the 12900k. The motherboards have been, in large part, garbage. Board #1 was an ASUS Hero which I returned due to having the backwards capacitor/chip. Board #2 was a MSI Carbon which had its USB ports start cutting in and out a few minutes after boot up for seemingly no reason. Board #3 was an ASUS Apex which had one m.2 slot that wouldn't show up 50% of the time on boots and I got a ton of blue screens due to "memory errors" which never happened on any of the other boards despite using the exact same DDR5 memory across all of them (BIOS memory tests showed zero errors). Board #4 was yet another MSI Carbon (everything else was back out of stock by then) and I *finally* got a board with all its USB/m.2 ports working and it's also given me zero crashes or headaches. It works just like a motherboard should. Now that everything is working properly it's been an incredibly fast and reliable system, but the path to get here almost had me going back to the 10900k in rage. And if this fourth board shows any issues I'll be doing just that.
got the 12700k and MSI MPG edge, just built the pc today and no problems so far, except the m.2 heatsink was kinds broken, screw hole not connected to motherboard. Did not affect anything though because there are like 4 slots for an nvme
Started with the Hero, same issue you had with the capacitor. Went to the Apex, had stability problems only that were my own doing from pushing the overclocks. Dialed it back down to 5.4 Ghz, dialed down the AI overclocking cooler optimism a tad and its been stable ever since. Kryonaught paste w/ H150i elite lcd 360mm
@@NeptuneSega Ha, I truly wish it was user error as then I'd know what the underlying problem was. But this was far from my first PC building rodeo so I doubt that was the case. (All hardware was always at stock settings as well.) I really wish the Hero board was assembled correctly as I had zero issues with it for a month aside from learning it was a ticking time bomb thanks to the incorrect capacitor. Had that one chip not been backwards I could have avoided all the headaches the other two boards provided. Oh well. If you build computers long enough seemingly everyone has a nightmare build/generation. 12th gen and its motherboards was mine.
3:40 Being a systems builder my self, I have had the exact same issues with Asus boards. After having multiple issues, with Asus boards I decided to pull the CPU on multiple boards and look at the socket under a microscope, what I found was the Asus socket is faulty, starting with the 1151 socket up to the 1700 socket. The pin tips were rolled over, which doesn't allow good contact with the CPU plates , but with a nudge or a slight shock would move the pin slightly. The only conclusion I can think off is the pins are not making good contact with the CPU plates until a nudge or some movement allowing or stopping the pins from making contact with the Plates on the CPU. In 1st quarter 2023 I stopped using Asus boards entirely and my weekends have become much more enjoyable by not fixing customer systems.
I have been on 12th gen for just over a month with zero complaints. Everything worked from day 1 with fantastic performance. I7-12700, MSI Z690, DDR4 DDR5 scared me away after seeing and reading so many horror stories. I had screwy problems similar to yours with a 9th gen chip. Turned out to be a defective cpu. More specifically, i think a problem with i-graphics, though it was not being used (2070 gpu). This chip would pass all intel cpu diagnostic tests, but certain programs and apps used the i-graphics for acceleration?Chromium based apps acted strange or didn’t work at all.
I've had my 12th gen system for about two and a half weeks now, and one of my problems is that my computer will shut off during games, especially at launch of games. Not a controlled shut down, but a shut down like a circuit breaker trip. Will reboot itself just fine afterwards. 12600KF with an MSI B660 Tomahawk and EVGA 3070 Ti XC3 Ultra on an 850w platinum EVGA P5 PSU. No idea what's causing it, and it's seemingly random.
Have u checked temperatures? I tested the cpu without case fans (unwillingly, made a plug-in mistake so only aio was running) and after like 15 minutes of gaming it overheated and just shut down probably because of temperature of the cpu
@@SythinityOWO I have. Ran Cinebench r23 and Heaven on ultra. CPU never went past 64 degrees (I have an EK 360 Elite cooler on it), the GPU hovered around 81 degrees under load. Last night I was playing The Room 3, and the CPU stayed at 36 degrees with 4% usage and GPU hovered around 68 degrees with 35% usage. The system still had a shutdown.
Had that happen when I got my 3080 on my old PSU. Was technically on paper good enough to support my hardware but the random power spikes from the 3080 would trip the over current protection and turn the computer off. Had to buy a new PSU to resolve the issue. Your system is doing the exact same thing mine was so maybe pick up another PSU from a local place or online store that has a no questions asked return policy and see if a new PSU fixes the problem.
I feel like I am very late to the chat here and that most of these issues are probably resolved by now, but I just built my first system about 2 months ago with a i512600kf, ddr4 ram (32gb) rtx 3060ti (upgraded to a 3090 with cpu upgrade coming soon) on a msi pro mobo. no issues here other than me figuring out my first system. As it turns out I like messing with computers as much as vehicles.
The insane hardware requirements that Windows 11 has is one of the main reasons why I don't like it. That and the fact that you're REQUIRED to use a Microsoft account. Had Microsoft not done these things, I'd be more open to using it
You don't need an account with the "windows for workstations" edition (plus it comes with a lot of the consumer guff off by default); the only hardware requirement over w10 is TPM module on your mobo - pretty much any modern motherboard will have it - or it costs ten bucks - if you need a discrete module. Win 11 has some very very nice virtualisation features, I switched early on for WSL2, would not go back to 10. Being able to natively run the linux kernel means my need to boot into a virtual machine to test builds has dropped by 90%. For day to day stuff, not sure if it makes any difference tbh; but for dev and org deployment stuff, win 11 has been very nice.
Everyone says this with every release of windows. In my opinion it would be akin to saying, man, that new Rockstar game has some insane hardware requirements. With progression of software comes stronger requirements. I don't like that I had to sign in though. Nor that windows is a paid product that forces me to have bloat on it. But in general Windows 11 was easy to clean up and I really like the UI and changes they have made sans a few things. I don't like that pinning to the taskbar requires a more option click after a right click. Things like that.
@@Grawbad TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot, along with not supporting fairly modern Intel CPUs (that still run perfectly fine) is going too far. This is far too aggressive
Hearing about the issue of his system working in one room and not the other, I wonder if the voltages are the same between the 2 rooms. At my workplace, the assembly room runs 120v and the test room runs 220v with PDUs on the test racks. There have been cases of power supplies failing on 220v but working fine on 120v. We'd usually do initial inspection of the systems out on the assembly room before moving it into the test room where the OS and software suite installation and system stability testing is done. Very rarely but, there have been systems that would keep failing on 220v and not recovering at all, and when those systems are moved out into the assembly room to further breakdown the system and troubleshoot, it would work fine and pass some testing without issue. If the 2 rooms jay is moving the system between use different voltages, maybe try swapping the power supply or motherboard out. Thought this might help. lol
Built a 12700k, MSI z690, ddr4, system for a buddy a few weeks ago, mainly for video editing. He's decided to wait on the graphics card. Enabled XMP (3600) and MSI's "one-click" overclock with an air cooler. No issues.
i've had my 12900k for almost 2 months and I've had 0 issues whatsoever with it. Running on ddr5 16gb. Maybe check if the ram being used is recommended for that mobo? I'm surprised to see so many other people having no issues at all also though
@@jamesleicher Yup and no issues with windows either. Only when I first got it it wouldn't let me download dolby access(was a windows update that needed to be installed) and ofc it took me like an hour to realize that lmfao. Other than that nothing with pc since
@@zFA113NNINJA on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand. (DDR5). DDR4 should be fine
@@ACaramelCalamity Honestly I think there is but im not too sure abt it. But I have heard of companies ram having issues with certain motherboards and such so could be something along the lines of that. Even with being ddr4 or 5 compatible
@@Taz8r 2 of course, I'm only on 16 Gb my guy I ain't that rich LMAO. But yeah that's definitely something that could be it if I were to upgrade to 32 I'd probably just stay on 2 sticks just to be safe. But that price is just crazy rn
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I'm really liking these types of videos! It's one thing to buy a product from a review, but actually testing it out for a month to see how it holds up and then providing a review on it gives a lot more depth, instead of just "here are the specs, if you like em then buy it"
I think it’d be cool if he uploaded these talking head videos to some podcast service so people can just queue them up and listen hands free
@@dominic.rivera Pressing play on TH-cam and then doing something else is somehow less "hands free" than pressing play on a podcast and doing something else?
I'm not against the idea, I just don't understand your logic.
@@mjc0961 easier to have the “podcast” in a playlist and then it’s all ready to go without having to change the video each time. Additionally, with podcasts you can turn the screen off on your phone and it’ll continue to play the audio whereas with TH-cam you need TH-cam premium. And quickly pressing play on a video each time sometimes isn’t feasible if you’re doing the dishes, or driving, or anything away from your phone that requires your attention and both hands.
Amen
Agree.
I'm still torn on what to buy. Money is no issue. But at the same time i don't want to overspend.
Videos like this makes it somewhat easier to make up your mind on what you 'should' buy or not.
I had similar "lock up" frozen screen, BSOD, crash to desktop issues with my 12900K system as well but solved it due to a long process of elimination. I did not experience the no post issue under the exact conditions though something of the nature happened but more memory related.
System:
Full Custom Water Cooling with 2 360mm Radiators (Corsair, but using all Lian Li Fans)
CPU: 12900K
GPU: Asus Strix 3080 Ti
Motherboard: Asus Z690-A Strix DDR4
RAM: 4x16GB GSkill Trident Z Neo 3600Mhz 16-19-19-39 DDR4
OS: Windows 11 Pro
Right off the bat when everything was put together and booted up normal operation was largely fine, but sometimes there would be occasional BSOD or CTD/lockup on certain games. But then it started getting more frequent. I ran all sorts of diagnostics and hardware monitoring and everything seemed fine, CPU checked out, GPU checked out using Cinebench or MSI Kombuster, 3DMark. Then I got the idea to do a full Memtest64 since it was bundled with the Asus motherboard. I had enabled XMP Profile #1 (there are 2) and boom, after the Pass #1, Pass #2 through #4 had issues. The bad part, it was entirely random. Nothing that indicated a consistent bad range of memory addresses or a particular CPU core. I then returned the memory and got the exact same kit only to get similar issues in Memtest64. I turned off XMP Profile and it works but why pay for faster memory when you can't use it?
The same instability issues were still present, random BSODs, CTDs or lockups. After some Googling I found an obscure Reddit post mentioning XMP Profile #2, well what's the difference? XMP Profile #1 sets basic primary timings but leaves the secondary timings to the motherboard to decide. XMP Profile #2 are strict tighter timings that set even the secondary timings as defined by the memory manufacturer... I thought it was worth a shot, I switched it to XMP Profile #2 and a miracle happened, Memtest64 passed, I even reran it multiple times to confirm. System was then stable afterwards even with aggressive overclocking (after I verified stability). No more BSODs, no more Lockups, no random CTDs.
The system is stable even with the following aggressive OC settings:
CPU:
P-Core:
5.5Ghz Single/Dual
5.2Ghz All-Core (Can hit 96C on some cores)
E-Core:
4.1Ghz All-Core (Won't go higher, even though only at 71C)
GPU:
+145Mhz Core Clock
+1150Mhz Memory Clock
TLDR: Check Memtest64 and check which XMP Profile timings work for your system.
Edit: Wanted to note that I also checked board and memory compatibility during troubleshooting and the board and those 4 sticks are compatible according to GSkill. Also corrected board model to Strix not Prime.
I did not have the patience to write all this but this is exactly what happened to me. XMP 1 would randomly crash games and sometimes BSOD. memtest passed and games would still crash. Been using XMP 2 with same speed as XMP 1 and my system is completely stable.
Good posts here thanks for that
This feels like another round of silicon lottery. But so glad you managed to deduce this down. I'll definietly keep this in my cheat sheet in case I get this on my 12thgen build. Thanks!
Thanks for the detailed insight and a possible solution should this come up for my new build. I'm don't plan on overclocking in my 12th gen build so hopefully nothing crazy happens.
Is smart to get i5 12600K?
And windows 11?
I heard windows is very buggy and it looks like 12th gen is kinda mess still.
But thats my impression, what do you think?
Running a 12700K on DDR4 and enjoying it both from a cost saving as I got to re-use my drr4 3600 ram and performance perspective. The power draw as compared to a 12900K is so much better and well under control. Overclocking is fairly straightforward on the per core overclocking and it has been a big step up. Couple of issues at the beginning with Windows 11 but now fairly resilient.
First ever build with a 12900k at the centre on a z690 hero MB, 32gb ddr5 corsair 5600mhz, Windows 11 and RTX3090 FE. I have had no issues at all, no crashes, freezing or odd behaviour. XMP profile is on and as commented on in the video, experience of usage is just wow at how snappy and responsive every load and interaction is. Games like Halo Infinite and Apex are running solidly at 140fps at 4K. Temps on the 12900 have not been a problem with the corsair H150.
Hi Johnathan, glad it's working out for you. Are you going to take a peek at the 13th gen, Raptor, stuff.
i too am getting 32gb 5600 corsair vengeance rgb to go with a 12900k. so if i were to enable a 5600mhz xmp profile from 4000mhz i'd be fine??? 'cause the 12900k is rated to hold no more than 4800mhz
sucks 9 months later everything is out of date, nice setup by the sound of it though
I've been running a 12700k since launch and have never had any issues with stability. I switched from a 9700k and was going to go with a 5900x until I saw 12th gen. I live stream sometimes and regularly game for 8+ hours straight on the weekend and I have never crashed (other than the game itself but I just count that up as just Warzone issues since on my 9700k the game crashed once every so many weeks as well. I honestly can't remember last time the game crashed on the 12700k). I have moved the PC probably 10 times going to friends and have never had any issues with posting or stability. It honestly has been extremely reliable. But in February I built a PC for a friend with a 12600k on a MSI PRO z690 DDR4 and could not run XMP on SP 3000 MHz RAM up until about a month ago with bios updates but other than that they have had 0 issues with the system as well.
My specs:
12700k
Asus TUF Gaming z690 DDR4 WiFi
Had a Gigabyte 2080s in it for about a month with no issues until I was able to get an EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3080 in late December last year through their queue, again been running with no issues.
32gb Corsair Vengeance 3200 DDR4
970 Pro boot drive
I build a new PC with each generation of GPU (So every other year but this PC was delayed because of gpu availability). This system has been rock solid so unless AM5 or 13th gen have massive gains I might just get a 4080 and stick with this system for the next few years.
DDR4 though -- maybe DDR5 is his issue!
Basically same scenario, I moved from 9700k + 1080ti to 12900k + 3080RTX and have been amazed. No stability issues at all, rips through any game I throw at it (even the most demanding that I have: Cyberpunk 2077, Warzone, Star Citizen). Couldn’t be happier with this setup.
@@bestlamegamer Honestly this is one of the hardest memory generation gaps to bridge from what I've read. Makes sense Intel struggled. Could be something AMD doesn't struggle with because they're not supporting both on one platform.
Doesn't solve the price/availability problems though.
Is your 12700k bottle necking your 3080 at all? I feel like my 3070Ti is pretty much maxed out while my 12700KF is practically idling along while gaming.
Hey Jayz, hey everyone! I was really happy to see this video! My last two months were filled with trouble shooting regarding my new ITX build 😞
Here are my components:
Intel i5 12600K,
Phanteks Glacier One 240 MPH,
MSI MEG Z690i Unify,
Corsair Vengeance DDR5 4800Mhz,
Asus TUF Gaming OC RTX 3070ti,
Corsair SF750 PSU,
Samsung 970evo plus 2TB,
all in a Lian-Li A4-H20 ITX case.
I startet with a fresh Win10 64bit installation, deactivated driver installation coming from Windows and installed all hardware and chipset drivers coming from the websites from Intel/MSI/Asus. Because of all the new components, I also focused on stability - so no OC at all.
The system is/was 100% stable in "office mode" - so without any gaming. But while gaming, the system was absolutely frustrating. In Rocket League, the game always minimized to tray or black-screen to desktop or crashed (sometimes hard-reset necessary, sometimes back to desktop via task manager). Civ VI always crashed to desktop after a few minutes.
I tested the stability with MemTest (several hours with no issues), Ungine Heaven 4.0, FurMark and with my two main games (Rocket League and Civ VI) and always watched frequencies and temperatures with monitoring software.
After speaking with MSI support, I did a BIOS update to the latest beta-version (didn't helped). I then did all the "fixes" like DP-cable change, using just one RAM, clean GPU driver installation with DDU, adjusting BIOS-setting (deactivating E-cores, enabling/disabling XMP, setting fix PCIe Version, etc.), deactivating game mode, deactivating xbox game bar, setting energy mamangement to max power and all the other well known tweaks (like undervolting GPU). Everything didn't helped. I then updated to Win11 (via Updater, knowing that this would be the worst kind of update). This system update didn't helped either.
I then re-built the whole system from the base (unplugging all components and cables and re-building the wohle computer coming from an empty case) and cleaned the whole SSD and fresh-installed Win11 via boot-stick. This time I chose to "let windows do its thing" and installed all updates/drivers coming from windows. I then installed nvidia drivers and nothing else, just to see the system behavior without doing "too much". After this, RL and Civ VI was playable without any crashes 🙂
Now, my system is kind of stable. I'm down from "one issue every 30 minutes while gaming" to "one issue every one, two or three days while gaming". Interestingly, beside "normal game crashes to desktop" I now have also blue screen and "instant re-boot" as error-indications. I also noticed that I can have a game-crash and after re-booting the system, the game is stable for hours. Now I'm updating all the drivers like sound, BT, network, wifi etc. "step by step" and test the system at least for one week after each update.
I hope my story may help someone - at the end I can only recommend to check all the cables and hardware connections and to do a clean Win installation with a bootable medium.
Best regards and thank you for your channel! 🙂
The system not turning on after a power loss, CMOS clear doing nothing, etc... That sure sounds like memory training issues. I had these issues early both on X79 and X99 with certain kits of RAM. Despite them being name-brand and validated, they always did this. It wasn't until RAM went cheaper (way back when) that I bought a 32GB kit for both my X79 and X99 system and the weird issues went away. To this day, both are solid runners running XMP and overtclocked. Back then, I was all about stability, no overclocking no XMP and the random crashes and lockups would infuriate me. Heck my X79 system would drop a memory channel from time to time. Hopefully the teething issues get sorted out for you!
I've had this problem with an old Asus Z77 Sabertooth board. Same symptons as Jay, would be weird if I unplugged it and moved it. Would let it sit for like 10 minutes and it would be fine.
For me it was bad motherboard...did an RMA, installed new one and everything was working perfectly.
@@evanhooper1 On my X79 Sabertooth board I fixed it by manually inputting the timings and disabling training on the memory channels. It also sped uop the POST process a bit. On a side note, both X79 and X99 Sabertooth boards, I could never get fast boot to work. It would always hang on the next boot to Windows.
@@ahmicm23 RMA? I think I have the same issue, thx.
Hey Jay, just wanted to say you've been a huge inspiration to me for the last few years now. I've been running a 12900K for the last few months now and it has been good so far. 16GBx2 DDR5 5600MHz. I do have it overclocked 5.2GHz all 8P cores and 4.1GHz all E-Cores. Now granted, I do have 53x2, 52x6. AVX Ratio at 0. Overclocking TVB Enabled with TVB1/TVB2 95c -4, TVB3 - TVB8 95c -3. V/F Point Offset 6: -0.025 V/F7: +0.06. Min/Max Ring Cache: 40. Adaptive Mode Additional Turbo Mode CPU Voltage at +1.35. I get around 35c idle and around mid-high 80s under load when playing games. This is NOT ideal for Rendering but it has been an absolute dream for games.
Similar experience for me nothing like what Jay is getting. but haven't seen 70 yet under load playing Star Citizen SCUM, Anno1800 and more. and Running 34 inch Ultrawide Max settings. Love the system atm.
Hi David, what do you mean with 53x2, 52x6? Is that frequency by max concurrent cpus? How do you cool your system?
@@mentalmeerkat5040 you haven't stress-tested your system with a benchmark so your observations aren't comparable. You have to use a program to peg your CPU to 100% in order to see real temps under load.
@@buzzfightbeer8023 Moot point as my idles are even lower than his, don't have the voltage problem he has, nor do I have the posting issues or crashes. As we are talkin my Idle is 32. Go to his previous videos on this and check the temps over volting issues etc. That being said, I ran some test in the interim and no issues or as high temps observed. Not even getting 80C mid 70s. Room temps are cool as its winter here so maybe accounts for 5deg or so. MSI Unify Mobo z690 Gskill 32gig 2 x16gig DDR5 12900k Corsair H150i LCD
@@PitPendragon yea basically so its 5.3 when up to 2 cores are loaded but when 3-8 cores get loaded it'll go to 5.2 so if you use xtu that's the active core tuning setting, basically lets its still preserve some of the turboing for single core, At least that's what I'm assuming and how it works on my 9900k but don't know how the other things affect it beyond that 12 gen has some more complicated settings you can get into with the TVB and setup voltage frequency curves and stuff
This has actually helped make up my mind. I have an 8th gen build that needs upgrading. I was planning to upgrade to 12th gen, but now I think I'll throw in an 11th gen board and chip (don't need to change anything else), then just save up for when the platform is more mature and I can get all the good gear, instead of cutting corners with DDR4 B series boards like I would have to at the moment.
Had my 12900k with ddr4 originally with zero issues. Now changed to a new MB and ddr5 6200mhz 2x16gb and zero issues. Both times W11 was fresh installed. I did make sure my ddr5 was on the list on the Asus site as validated to work.
Yep
How long did u had a ddr4 board before you made the switch?
@@lightning2516
Ddr4 MB was not that far after launch and changed to ddr5 MB a month ago when ddr5 was in stock at a good price.
@@theoldpcgamer77 I'm waiting until they release lower cl ddr5 ram before I make the switch
@@lightning2516
Mine is cl36 but i can lower it to 32.
I have two 12th gen systems, running overclocked for about 3 months now, one with an asus board and one with a gigabyte board, both are on ddr4 (4000mhz cl18 both), didn’t have any issues with them and the performance is really impressive
@zFA113N NINJA on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand.
(DDR5). DDR4 should be fine
Lol I have 2 msi z690 ddr4 boards one 4000 cl18 one 4400 on 12700k and 12900kf Lan did not work out the box with windows on both boards lol
@@pilsen8920 That's common with new intel boards. Wi-Fi / Lan notworking out of the box. One of my MOBOs was an MSI.
@@pilsen8920 when i said in general or brand i meant the motherboards. or is it the DDR5? ...i went DDR4 because theres minimal difference. When did you do your purchases?
Same actually. And yes the performance is absurdly overpowered.
i built my first pc since 1993(god i am old). watching your vids inspired me as well gave me some helpful tips and advice. went with the 12900k on a z690 steel legend MB, 32 gb ram ddr4, 3080 gigabyte vision gpu all in the corsair 5000d icue case. it has been a week now and all systems running fine.
What lower case 'g' god do you prey for?
@@paulhogsten2613 there is a time and place for everything...this is neither the time nor the place
@@CPC941 Your WONG!
Reminds me of the 1990's, early 2000's where problems often occured because of mismatched hardware.
hah, remember all the issues with AGP 4x and 8x? Good times :) (damn i'm dating myself here, dont mind me)
@@ayyyyp Don't feel bad, my first PC was a 286 with 640k ram in 1990.
@@steffithemad8327 Same here. Played Tetris, jumpman, the original 2d duke nukem, and good old commander keen on it.
@@ayyyyp You think you're dating yourself, My first computer was bought in 1976, had to hand solder every component, wire, switch etc. All 1900 solder points.
Can’t wait to see what raptor lake has in store for us. Alder lake really was a great step for intel.
Rather take the new Ryzen, Intel seem to struggle to keep up wattage vs speed and ipc. I mean.. an 5800x3d on an older plattform is better than 12900k at lower wattage and ghz..
@@sidewinder86ify very true but Intel fanboys disagree and keeps on inhaling that super intel copium gas tanks.
Did my upgrade a bit over a week ago to an i5-12600k, so far it's been perfectly fine with 4 sticks of DR4-3200. Probably more stable than my i7-6700k system was.
Parts list:
Asus Z690-P D4
Corsair Vengeance Pro SL 4x8GB DDR4-3200
2TB Samsung 980 Pro (Game installs)
2x 1TB WD SN 750
Corsair H115i Elite
6+ year old EVGA 750 gold PSU.
I got a question please help me out. If I go from a 13 gen i7 to a 13 gen i9 I shouldn't have any types of updates, should I? z790 32g ddr5 4070ti 2tetb thanks if you can help
@@traviskelly7082 I don't think you'd need any kind of updates for that small of an upgrade. That said, it's not exactly going to be that much of a performance jump for most tasks, especially for gaming.
Its the biggest GPU intel offers and its for gaming lol am I wrong? up to 5.8 , I ran it on a bottleneck program at 1440 240fps with 256 gig mem on a z790 and a 4070 Ti it said 0%. and thank you I was just wondering about updates. I want to know what im getting into lol.@@1steelcobra
this i7 I have is a killer but it can get better with an new 13th i9
oh and a 2 tb nvme
I have been using my 12900K for two months now and I have 0 issues with it. Everything works great. I'm using ASRock Z690 Taichi, my favorite all time motherboard.
oh you have moneeyyyyyy
@@oscar21781 on god
lol, just buy a $600 motherboard and the issues disappear bro
@@oscar21781 not really, I sold my old pc and upgraded. Didn't put too much into it.
Been running a 12600k for a couple months now with an Asus Z690M. It's been flawless. I think all the issues he was having seems like a very specific issue with possibly a bad CPU or board or like he said, it seems like maybe a faulty half-working ram module
If anyone is looking at the large kit from Ifixit just know that the larger bits are not magnetic. It was very disappointing to pay so much for something that I will not really be using. You would think something being sold for building and repairing electronics that this would be a given requirement to have.
My build screwdrivers are some random off brand that I picked up from target in a pinch a few years ago and found that they had incredibly strong magnetic tips... Like way stronger than most. So I moved them into my pc building tool kit where they've lived ever since
Did you try running them through a magnet to make sure they did not get demagnetized?
@@Celician83 I've tried a few things. Every single 1/4" bit is not magnetic. It isn't just one or two of them.
@@pistolfied I've tried to magnetize them myself. It doesn't seem to take, and for 1/4 bits that I paid $85 for should just work out of the box. If I purchase something that requires extra work out of the box it should either say so or should be a lower price. The quality of the bits and drivers are a 10/10. They fit perfectly in any screw that they are supposed to fit. The lack of magnetic bits is a QC problem when they say they should be something they are not.
@@pistolfied You know they should be magnitized out of thr box at that prize point?
Jay, I had bad RAM recently and all of the issues you describe seem to match my own. I am on 10900kf with ddr4, but still absolutely same issues. Consider switching the sticks.
maybe this is J2c problem
You should have bought a F150!
Me also :)
I got ddr5 6000 ram and an asus z690e. The mobo maxes out at 4800hz allowability. Overclocking the ram to 6000hz wouldn’t even boot to windows. So I wasted like a $100 on better ddr 5. Don’t make this mistake.
Yep. Blue screens, etc sound like memory issues in my experience, too
My first build ever with 12th gen, system is solid as, using a MSI Carbon 690 board, DDR5 (xmp off) with a 3080ti. Mild OC on both. I run VR (reverb g2) sim racing and have had zero problems.
What Colling CPU you using? For you msi carbon
what ram are you using? im having trouble with mine. i can t seem to get it to boot.
@@Bok_1993 MSI 300mm cooler bench tests it gets up to around 70deg C but gaming its usually 45c
@@phxrisingmedia DATA AX5U5200C3816G-DCLABK XPG LANCER 32GB 5200MHz)DDR5
@@phxrisingmedia But I am running a 12700K CPU
This sounds so similar to my experience with an ASRock board, ddr3 and a 4790k. I spent so much time and effort dealing with intermittent issues that were constantly solved by doing basically nothing that I just parted it out and started again. Just wasn't worth the time and effort anymore.
Really appreciate this honest, casual advice. I'm in mid-build myself right now and this is really helpful.
I'm running my 12700k since end of january, oc'ed with Asus ai suite, never had a single bluescreen or frozen system. Absolutely no problems so far. Really happy with it. Forget to mention: DDR4 3600 cl16 on Asus strix z690-a, gpu is still a 2080s. Since everything is custom watercooled, it's the best system I've ever had. Came from a 9900k..
i have the same but with ddr5 and OC with asus AI, no problems here either clocking it up to 5.4-5.3ghz
Ymmv but I have a Asus board ddr5 i9-12900k Corsair dominator ram, had to remove all oc and xmp to get stable on win 11
Me too ASUS rog maximus, 32gb ddr 5, i712700k overclocked..3090 FE no issues at all
What CPU cooler do you use? I'm thinkign about returning to Intel from Ryzen and I dont know which cooler to use. Need something that's easy to install and can keep the damn thing cool lol.
@@jordancourse5102 full custom liquid loop. Because yeah darn thing runs real hot. I would look at getting a 360 aio or a loop.
My 12th Gen Intel 12900K system has been awesome!!! I went with a DD4 RAM and have it set at 3200 MHZ. NO boot issues ever. It crushes with my 3090
What kind of board?
@@panscrank what is the problem with having money ...
Some people actually work for it and earn it 👌
@@timothygibney159 ASUS Strix Z690A Gaming
@@Need4FPS I know right…
I used to build my own PCs, often out of junked parts just to see if I could get something to work. Spent many a late night trying to fix some weird BIOS issue or getting a MB to post or trying to straighten some bent pins on a CPU. I finally decided to treat myself and buy a pre-built gaming rig with a Core i7 11700F and an 8 GB 3070. Swapped out the RAM for 64 GB of Corsair Vengeance
DDR4 and even with Win 11 Pro, it's been smooth sailing. It's not the newest or greatest, but it's fast and stable and looks pretty with all those LEDs in the case changing colours. It's nice to click the mouse and have the machine come out of hibernation exactly where you left off with no issues. Sometimes good enough is good enough. Since a lot of what I do is not platform or OS specific, I could have just given in to temptation and bought a Mac Studio, but I didn't give in to the dark side, and I came away happy with what I bought.
I’ve been running a 12900k with a 3090 for almost 2 months. So far my biggest issues with it is heat and ram speeds. It’s been great especially since I’m like you Jay I came from a 9980xe to this and it blows it away. Rendering out my first videos after switching to it made me laugh hysterically. So much faster even though I lost 2 real cores. Also gen 5 NVME storage is NUTS.
Windows 11 has been good so far as well. All of my programs work just fine and WTF the windows search actually works now. I’ve noticed that a lot of the programs that I used, run on the CPU harder which could be why it’s so much faster. Also Wi-Fi 6 is great with the new motherboards especially when uploading files.
I’ve had one issue where a ram speed setting would work great for about a week and then it would just boot loop. Then I would lower the ram speed down and it would work for a week and it would boot loop and reset again. I’m running the ram way slower than XMP but it’s still way faster than my older PC.
Setup
CPU: I9 12900kF
Cooler: NZXT Z73 AIO with free room heater ;)
Ram: 64GB DDR5 ram 6000 speeds ( I used two kits of 32 GB 6000. Runs at 4700 tho)
Motherboard: MSI z690 MEG ACE
Graphics Card: EVGA 3090 FTW 3
Power Supply: EVGA Supernova 1600w 80 plus platinum.
Case: Lain Li o11 Dynamic XL
Do you have the latest bios update of your mobo?
I have a 12700k, ASUS Prime Z690 -A (latest bios as of 5/2/22), and Corsair 2x16GB 5600 CAS36 DDR5 RAM. It runs at 5600 stable. Just some more data.
I'm only on 32gb of 5600 ram (two 16gb sticks) always get 5600 speeds. Must still be firmware issues with 64gb of ram.
@@TL-in1lm Jay did a video on my issue before. I'm using two different kits of 32GB 6000 ram. For some reason the two separate kits are the issue.
But I wanted to make sure I had 16gb in each ram slot. When I was on X299 it ran faster the more GBs you had in each slot versus the overall amount.
If you don't need 64GB, run 2 x 16 at XMP. I'm rock solid @ 6400CL32 with my kit but forget 4 sticks for now. Maybe a BIOS update will fix that eventually. Latest bios really helped making everything solid but I hope we can run 4 sticks at xmp soon.
Plot twist: His head shown in the first few seconds of the video is the actual size, it is shrunk for the rest of the video to look normal.
Glad to see a video showing how to methodically approach unknown errors / random quirks in a system step by step, including the failed steps.
Your description of issues sounds a lot like my experience when I had a ram stick start to die. It would even pass memtest sometimes, but would also lockup with frozen image on screen occasionally. Eventually I found errors in a memtest and got the stick RMAd never had the same issue again.
I had the same thing happen with some RAM too. Even RMA'd a MB because the memtest was fine at first.
Agree sounds like RAM to me too
could be j2c's problem.
I’m running a 12700KF with DDR4 3200 and a 6900XT. Runs perfectly with no issues and performance is amazing. 12700K runs a bit cooler than the 12900 with only a minor performance dip.
Enjoyed the video, bummer about the stability issues.
I've been using a 12700K/Asus TUF Gaming Z690/Corsair DDR4/RTX 3060ti/Kingston S3000 nvme for my main work machine for about a month now. Zero problems, but the only over clocking is XMP. Previous daily driver was a Dell 8th Gen i7 laptop with onboard Quadro. This machine is astonishingly faster in daily tasks. Most of my code is for windows console and service apps, so they are not huge, compiles are so much faster. I opted for DDR4, stability was critical for me. I did use win 11 since it knows how to deal with the ecores, no issues with stability and start 11 removes most the crap that bugs me.
Is there anything in windows 11 that you turned on/off that improved your workflow experience ? Getting a system with windows 11 pre installed and i've only used windows 10.
Lol. Daily driver.... Nice setup dude.
MSI have been killing it with motherboards recently. The Unify boards are very solid with great memory overclocking.
yea i got the z690 unify x, literally no issues with stability running ddr5 6000
This has been my experience as well.
Running an Msi Z690 WiFi force with a 12900K. No issues at all.
I’m running an ASUS Z690 with a 12700K and it’s been rock solid. The only difference (outside of mine being an i7 not i9) is that I opted to continue with DDR4 over DDR5 due to latency issues.
For background: I run a communications and technology firm and have dealt with hundreds (if not thousands) of client systems over the past 20+ years.
Honestly, it sounds like one of two things - a RAM issue or a PSU issue.
I know what you’re thinking - a PSU issue?! What???
No. Seriously. I had my own personal system back in 2004 completely unable to run Half-Life 2. It would hiccup and crash. I swapped motherboards, RAM, CPUs, video cards… nothing fixed it.
After months of banging my head against the wall, one day I swapped the power supply. I don’t even know why I did. Turned out that the old house I lived in previously had faulty electrical and the PSU had degraded over the years I lived there. Swapping it did the trick. I know. Crazy-sounding.
EDIT: My 12th Gen i7 has been flipping outstanding. On a daily basis, I beat the heck out of my system running the entire Creative Suite, video editing in Premiere and Camtasia, and I’ve been gaming in the off-hours running Forza 5 and Dying Light 2 on my RTX 3080 12GB. Zero stability issues.
My money is on the RAM, but don’t forget to swap the PSU if you keep experiencing problems, too. (I know, I know. It’s crazy)
I’d check the power at your receptacles in both rooms. You can also check for power consistency to see how steady the rec stays at the standard 120v. If it’s bouncing around a lot , that could be an issue. Also there could be voltage drop depending how far you are away from the panel. You could try a upc apc battery backup sine wave and that will provide a clean and consistent power to your pc. Some other simple fixes would be to unplug everything else from the problem circuit and see it the issue still happens. I guess if your really desperate you could change out the rec and circuit breaker with new ones.or it’s just a Lemmon motherboard.
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I’ve been using 12900k since it’s release and have not experienced 1 issues…. Lol wth 😂
Good response. Dirty power could mess things up. An AC unit that drops voltage on the circuit when it starts can mess things up as well as something that causes spikes or other problems. I thought modern PSUs would handle that, but who knows. I had a board that refused to boot if it was humid and the board was cold (not running for a while). I had to run a hair dryer on it to dry it out and get it to boot. Worked great in the winter though. :) Store wouldn't believe me when I tried to explain that permeable components were causing the problem. Honestly suspect Jay has a defective component somewhere. I mean in his computer. :)
@@Bazooka407 I so proud of you
Thanks for this video. And hopefully it will show younger audience that experienced only Intel for a decade (because Bulldozer) and didn't move to Ryzen, because it had "stability issues" - that this is universal. No matter what manufacturer your CPU is - when you move to new micro-architecture your system will Always have some problems. This might impact Intel slightly less - since they have more money to co-operate with Microsoft and other huge corporations on how their CPU's work with their software, but it will happen nonetheless. Usually the quality of company can be graded based on how quickly they respond to issues that pop up when large amount of people move to new micro-architectures.
Intel response to 12th Gen when dealing with this problem was not bad, but could be better. I don't blame them, given that everything there is new (DDR5, PCIe 5.0 - though you mention 4.0 - I have to check, but if you have 4.0, Ryzen 5000 series and 5xx series mobos already had this and for NVMe drives it was a big change, so IDK if the change you were describing was due to faster processor, better SSD or you simply meant PCIe 5.0 and have drive that can use it?), but amount of money they have should have helped them dealing with it. Though it's also partially MS "fault" - after all Windows 11 is a new OS. So some of the problems might come from this as well.
Honestly looking forward to see how AM5 and Zen4 will handle their issues - and especially looking forward to your video(s) about it. AMD for once has enough market share that they should be able to have enough money to validate and debug some stuff prior to launch, but a) they still don't have the Intel's budget for that nor co-operation with Software developers on the same level and b) Regardless - it will be new architecture, so it will have issues. I hope that this time at least they will have co-operation from mobo people that won't release "mediocre" mobos like 3xx series of AM4. And that their response time to their specific problems will be as quick as it is for Intel. We need competition, we literally cannot afford to not have one. So I wish people in Intel, NVIDIA and AMD that they continue to develop great things and that their profits will be enough to ensure that R&D and debugging is as swift as possible, but that they won't be so high, because of them increasing prices. I understand inflation and transport costs increase - I can handle increase in price of that range. But above that - No, it's greed.
And yes - I'm an AMD fanboy for disclosure. That doesn't mean I won't buy Intel or NVIDIA. All it means is that if I have 2 equal (or almost equal, since literal equality is improbable) products - one from AMD and one from other vendor - I will choose AMD. But if performance or price or power use is worse on AMD product, I will buy Intel or NVIDIA. I'm my wallet fanboy 😉
I lived through the P4 and their even worse bastard children, the first Celerons. Over 30 years or so, intel has inconvenienced me plenty. I have also watched every generation of DDR fail to surpass its predecessor for 12-18 months after launch. I am just reading all these comments, laughing at all you DDR5 suckers out there. I used DDR until DDR3 came out and then I switched to DDR2. When DDR4 came out, I switched to DDR3. I did buck the trend with DDR4, adopting it in Dec 2020. And i probably won't wait for DDR6 but I will wait at least two years before building a PC that uses DDR5.
The first thing you should suspect with a hard lockup is the PSU. Bad voltage stability can do that.
With access violations (e.g. BSOD when it's in Windows and applies to ring 0 code), memory is the first suspect.
Yeah... the 750W is really pushing it to the limits of 12900K and 3080TI.
Since Jay asked about 12th gen in general, one of the PC i'm using is an 12700k and it has worked flawlessly for close to 2 months now. However 12th gen is where the similarities end between my PC and what Jay has: i still use Windows 10 and i still use DDR4, my mobo is a Gigabyte z690.
Had a similar issue with my 12900k and 3090 system on ddr4 platform. I dropped 200mhz off the ram and it runs smooth now. Specs of my Build are in my uploaded Videos description.
Exactly same experience, well a 12700k and a 3090, running four sticks DDR¤ for 64GB RAM at 3600mhz, after a march bios update it posts on XMP, but was unstable, frequent crashing to desktop mostly.
After dropping 200mhz to 3400mhz, it's been rock solid and honestly seems more responsive and boots faster.
Faster isn't always faster if it isn't stable, I guess.
12900k 3090 ddr5 6000 cl32. So far perfectly stable 1.5 months oh and I have the cpu on AI overclock. It typically sits between 5.5 and never below 5.3
I bought DDR4 4800Mhz TeamForce Ram and it worked at first then it started acting weird by getting BSOD and rebooting it would work but then started doing it again. Returned it and got another pair and got no post. THen decided to go with 4000MHZ Tridentz royals and it did work but would freeze in Destiny 2 randomly. Lowered the clock to 3600 and I haven't had 1 problem since.
Running the 12900K on a Steel Series Legend Z690 Windows 11. I even overclocked the CPU to 5.1 using Intel Extreme utility and still solid. I don't know, 12th gen doesn't play nice with higher speed DDR4 Ram sticks
Its your psu i run everything maxed out upgrade the psu 1200 watts or 1600 corsair
@@fortnite360HZ Wish you were right, i overclocked my cpu and gpu after the 200mhz drop pulling more power and still hasnt done what it did. I think its a Task scheduler/DDR4 on 12gen issue
I've been really surprised with how stable my 12th Gen system has been. 12900K, Rog Strix Z690-F and DDR5.
I think you might have a bad soldering joint. The board gets hot, parts expand, lose connection on a component. It cools off, geys connection back and works. I would also check voltage on the battery. Low voltage will also cause weird things.
This has made me realize how stable my 3600 is despite overclocking it the edge; for those curious it's not a good sample being earlier silicon, I'm running 1.3375V and 4.15GHz under a 280MM AIO.
My guy its prolly stable because your using a fricking 280mm aio for a 3600
Hope it isn't the x seeing a trend on fix or flop of that cpu failing lately
Wow.... my old 3600 was rock-solid (on water) @ 4.4 all-core and 1.315v.... obviously YMMV with OC's!
3600 is solid. Mine is 4.3GHz @ 1.257V for 2 years straight. 240mm Liquid Freezer II at 70% speed never breaks 65*c due to undervolt.
@@Jemuzu80 The 3600x and the 3600 are the exact same chip, the x is just a better binned version.
I got the 12600K after release along with Windows 11 and haven't had any issues with those but....
The Z690 motherboard issues were a disaster. I got the Gigabyte Z690i DDR4 and had to RMA it THREE times for QC issues.
First time it was DOA; second time was a dead m.2 slot, third time it was the PCIe slot intermittently recognizing my GPU.
I did not have a working system for like 4+ months. I finally went Asrock and has been solid since.
on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand.
(DDR5). DDR4 should be fine
I am sweating profoundly since i have bought z690 gigabyte gaming X
We dont have garantee here so if board is faulty, i cant change it
@@waifuhunter9709 I get you. I just made my purchased, but I stuck with DDR4. Now, I’m wondering if I should’ve stick with DDR5, but I want 4 ram not 2. Thats the issue supposedly I am hearing. Now I want to do a return and just stick with DDR5. Ughhh
@@Taz8r mITX boards typically only have two DIMM slots and the Gigabyte Z690i only has two.
12900KF here. No post issues. No BSODS. Its a DDR5 system. I use it for gaming and making daily TH-cam videos. Temps seem alright on a 360mm cooler in a Corsair 5000D. This is all on Windows 11 and a Gigabyte motherboard. I have moved and plugged it in in several outlets and haven't had a post issue.
Upgraded my wife's computer to 12th gen with DDR4 and it's been rock solid, even with the existing Windows install. I definitely think DDR5 is your culprit here.
Asus is the problem , using MSi .. no issues at all , maybe DDR5 is the problem .. either one is for sure , using MSI 12 gen 12900k with ddr4 myself
Hey Jay, you mentioned that the problems happened in one room but not the other, to me that sounds like a power source problem, meaning not the computer, but the power strip, outlet, or wall circuit that you're plugged in to. Just a thought, hope you get it figured out soon 👍
That crossed my mind too
In that case, get a UPS with power conditioning so as to allow the computer to get as clean power as you can give it.
A power conditioner could definitely alleviate the problem to some degree. Personally I'm intrigued by this situation because I think it is giving us a huge hint that this errant system behavior might be due to peak current draw. Not voltage or wattage, but current. In a circuit the wattage is basically a proportional amount of voltage times current (amps). At 200w, higher voltage draws less current. Less voltage means more current. So if systems are trying to automatically undervolt as cores are idle or doing mediocre tasks, and the system suddenly hits it with a dozen instances of low vcore tasks... that could potentially be destabilizing. And if Jay's a techie who likes to have his monitoring apps open all the time, he probably has HWinfo up in the background trying to ping each of the "idle" cores and recreate this scenario a thousand times a minute.
The bottleneck of this system is, surprisingly, not the PSU. It's the board VRMs. The peak current draw is usually default-capped in the BIOS at around 190 amps. If you have a chip that wants to draw over 220w at the exact moment that all of the cores are "idle," and the voltage curve is still averaging .88v because the tasks are all low-priority, then your system is gonna ask for a huge (albeit microscopically short) initial spike of over 250 amps all at once! Obviously it's gonna ramp up the vcore immediately, but that teeny tiny microsecond of a current shortage might be enough to crash it. Meanwhile you could run a stress test on the CPU running 250w at 1.4v and it won't stall out once, because it's only pulling about 180A from the VRMs and the system will be carefully easing its way up to that level the whole time. CPUs and mobos these days are very good at balancing this at full load. If it's an unstable overclock, you'll know pretty quickly. Though if you have a 12900k, you're more likely to hit the thermal ceiling at load before you have any current draw issues anyway.
Now if you have a motherboard with halfway decent VRMs and you are able to raise the EDC or ICCMAX setting through the BIOS, then it should be able to handle this peak current draw issue no problem. That little blip during idle shouldn't be enough to cause appreciable heat output. However if raising this allows you you pull more amps at load than the mobo is designed for, then you're gonna see runaway VRM thermals and possibly a roasted board.
The big problem for consumers who might want to diagnose this problem is that motherboard and CPU manufacturing spec sheets are all designed around maximum TDP, which is more of a thermal measure rather than a measure of basic power delivery. How many peak amps can your VRMs safely deliver? You're not likely to get that information. Everyone cares about how much cooling you need and far you can push it at full load, not how stable it can be at low voltage. Nobody's really all that aware of what kind of amperage is being pulled in their system. But as core counts rise and vcores drop at idle this may become much more of a problem. AMD users have noticed issues like these for a while, but now that Intel is getting in the game with all these stacks of e-cores and aggressive c-state curves, it's starting to affect them too. Of course, this is somewhat speculative because a wide number of things could cause spooky behavior like this (some blame TPM implementation). Could simply be Windows failing to schedule things correctly, but people are noticing similar issues with Linux as well. Or it could even be an issue caused by monitoring apps like HWinfo pinging each of the idle CPU cores every 1ms, causing them to freak out and create more "perfect storm" scenarios as they ramp up & down repeatedly, sometimes syncing up just right to cause a lock up.
VRMs aside, another problem is that the voltage in the building could also have too much variance in it (or the power supply TO the building, if you live in Texas with a bad grid). A normal 15A 120v circuit should provide a theoretical 1800w no problem. But you never get exactly 120v from any outlet. Often you get a range of 115-125v. If the voltage dips below 110v or even 100v then the available wattage could dip down as low as 1500w. Any other devices on that circuit are going to chip away at that as well. Even if it's just some LED lights in the ceiling, it adds up. This could create teeny tiny brown-out scenarios that starve the PSU capacitors just enough to screw up the VRM power delivery. Jay should test the incoming AC voltage as well as the rated amps of the circuit breakers just to rule this out.
Hard to say which one is the smoking gun here, but the fact that Jay was experiencing this issue based entirely on where his computer is plugged in has lead me to believe that it is entirely a power delivery issue somewhere in the chain.
@@trparky or an electrician to check the circuits.
I run a 12900k on a strix z690 with 2x 16g vengeance ddr5 5600and strix 3080ti and have not experienced any issues as of yet... however my computer is stationary and never unplugged. I may have to test that now after watching this. thanks for the great vid
I've had the exact same issue with boot or system changes. I have a 12600k, 32 gb 5600mhz Gskill DDR5, and an asus Z690-A Prime. Any time I do a Bios update of which there are many, it's a a solid hour to get it back functional. I've also found leaving it alone somehow makes it think about life enough to fix. Only other issue I've found has been an occasional 5 minute delay of hardwired network connecting. Initially it was on a dirt cheap DDR4 board from MSI and the problems weren't present, so I'm assuming it's ram related. It has been a smooth transition other than that
I have the same board and the same memory as you. I’m using a 12700. Same problems.
@@lanegillespie9430 I keep hoping a Bios update will fix it but no luck yet. Luckily being my computer doesn't move much it's not an issue and it isn't work critical but annoying nonetheless
The motherboard seems to be the problem in both of your builds. I guess you should never cheap out on a motherboard
@@MusabXD3000 I'd hardly call it a cheap board. And being I have a friend with an Rog strix board experiencing similar issues and another with an Aorus master? Nah not the board. At least not the posting issues. Just happens that the last commenter had the same one.
@@somekidwithanm4 on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand.
(DDR5). DDR4 should be fine
I went for 12700K on a DDR4 platform and I had loads of memory training issues to start. For a long time I couldn't lock XMP profiles (on a 3200 CL14 kit). Strangely, I could manually set timings to get it to boot but it wasn't particularly stable. I believe that issue was sorted out by a later bios revision. I had lots of weird, stuttery issues as well during normal use but I think that may have been due to using Win 11 on a pair of Gen4 nvme drives in RAID0. I only used it for a couple of weeks in that configuration before I switched back to Win 10 on a single drive which was a more pleasant experience. I also couldn't really overclock the system without using more exotic cooling; I normally use a NH-D15 that was just not up to the task. It's been fun to play with the new platform but it's definitely less stable, less efficient and requires much greater cooling than the 5900X I switched from (and have since switched back to). The Linux experience is still pretty shaky on 12th gen as well, depending on your base distro.
Yeah but everybody is so gung ho for new RAM, new PCIe, new NVMe, and GPUs drawing 1200W, lol. Your problems will pale in comparison to theirs. People will literally be dying for next gen when they set their house on fire.
before u buy i have to say its rlly hot u have to undervolt and adjust fan curves for it to run at 85C, cpu voltage mode adaptive - 0,050 runs stable
The only time I've had the same reliability issues that you're reporting was when my mainboard had defective RAM slots (most likely due to mechanical stress). Have you tried if using different DIMMs solves it for you?
As a software developer, I'm happy with my 12900K system. Lots of performance when I'm compiling, but dead silent when I'm not. The latter is what I do most of time - read, think and write code. During that time the CPU sits at < 10W. My fans are all set to turn off at low temps, so I have a dead silent, no moving parts system most of the day. When running under full load, the NH-D15 does the trick, < 90C, still comparably quiet. No overclocking, but undervolting.
90c is a bit on the higher side if i would have a top of the line cpu, each to their own i guess
@@eustahijelifetips I could turn up the fans to get it lower, but I want my computer to be silent.
@@stefanwerner5799 compromises, they always get ya, i am in no interest in buying a pc soon, my theory is if i keep stuff below 70c it should last longer? Atleast the fans will be the first to fail, and tbh its kinda loud during work but most of the time its okay, and half of the time i use headphones, so i cant hear that
@@eustahijelifetips Laptop CPUs run at 90C+ all the time, and I have several laptops that lastet 10+ years. This is what those parts were designed for. I've never seen a CPU die due to thermal stress (or other reasons, TBH), they always ran until they became outdated.
@@stefanwerner5799 now, i dont have a laptop but running cooler is always a plus
Just finished my 12900k build. First thing I did was undervolt. It's way too power hungry for my liking. Was able to go -0.075 vcore offset and 190watt with no loss in Cinebench. I feel they really are inefficient to push performance, beyond what we've ever seen in the past.
Why on earth would you buy a whole 12900k only to undervolt it?
Let me guess, you also bought a whole RTX 3090 and you chose to underclock it because you don't like how hot it gets when gaming?
Perhaps you also own a BMW M5 Competition, but chose to detune the engine because you don't like how much fuel it consumes.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior He explained. So you get a cooler, more stable, less power-hungry system with virtually no loss in performance. It's not that complex, dude.
@@Montrovantis He didn't explain any of that lol, didn't say there were stability issues before, didn't say the performance was the same, he just said it's too power hungry.
Just built an i7 12700 with a rtx 3080 tuf oc. Built in a Nzxt h1 v2. Has been great so far. Touch wood. Great thermals. Great performance. But I opted for DDR4 and an aorus b660i MoBo. It was definitely the way to go.
I was having similar stability issues where games would lock up, although, I didn't require a power cycle to recover. I disabled all overclocking on the CPU, didn't really need it anyway. But I believe my issues were solved when I switched from XMP II to XMP I. The system has been very stable since I did that.
12700k
ASUS Maximus Formula
Trident Z 32GB 6000 MHz
3080 FTW3 Ultra
Windows 11
You might even be able to drop the CPU volts & clock down a bit and still not notice much difference. Except for the fan noises.
I've had a lot of stability issues with my 12900K on a ROG Strix Z690-G ... Listening to this is me hearing Jay go through EVERYTHING that I've been doing for the last couple months. I've found things a lot better for the last few weeks, but somehow entirely lost the option to enable XMP for my DDR5 6000 memory in the BIOS. It just isn't there anymore.
I haven't been working to hard on solving that right now though, because at last my system is running stable now.
I have the same board can you tell me what’s your Boot Time is? My PC takes at least 40 seconds to boot completely from Power Button to Windows Login screen!
@@silentnode946 do you face any Long Post/Boot Time issues?
@@Haris-gt3lz Yeah, mine is taking about 30 seconds from power button to windows login.
Love my 12900k after around a month of use. Haven't experienced any issues with DDR5 and ASUS motherboard. It definitely runs warm and I undervolted with offset of -.095. It still benches ~27k in Cinebench while being 10-15 degrees cooler.
Bro how did you manage to get it to -.095? I can't use chrome on -.05, blue screen :/
@@didilyn8728 Yeah, I've had similar problems under volting. I've had more success under-watting. Running at 210 watts with low 90 degree temps
In our company we've upgraded to self built 12900k systems about a month after launch. In the beginning had some issues with the bios settings but after those where solved they have been rock solid. We're using these for software development and some gaming. All systems are ddr4 and water cooled with the same over clocking settings.
Hilarious timing. I'm watching this video right now while waiting for my memory test to complete on my DDR5 memory. I have spent months trying to figure out how to get this platform stable, and it's still on-going. I've been chasing what I thought was instability on my CPU, but I'm now starting to wonder if it's RAM related. Never had to put this much work into stability testing as I have on this platform. It's fast, but my God. I haven't had much issues with the 12900k in games and work, with the exception of Star Citizen. That game absolutely will not run with the E cores enabled. You HAVE to disable them (and parking the cores doesn't work either), which is extra annoying.
are you on windows 11?
@@skyline2203 Yes I am
@@BoxximusPrime My 12900k runs star citizen just fine
I’m on W11 with my 12700k and DDR4 ram and Star Citizen runs fine for me, so maybe it’s something to do with the motherboard and Ram?
@@thegamerboy1000 I actually came up with a new workaround today. Turning off C-States and Intel Speed Step/Shift. That seems to have done the trick, for some reason.
Sounds like the mobo , I've had mine since release ddr5 12900k and I'm on an aorus pro mobo . Absolutely no issues for me gaming or workload.
on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand.
(DDR5).
@@Taz8r 2 sticks for me
@@Taz8r Jay said he's using two 32gb to make 64gb ddr5 ram
@@jmancd DDR4 should be fine. Definitely, if you bought during the time of release then I understand many issues and problems, But about if revisions now. I mean if you bought now or about a month ago.
This is probably going to get lost in the sea of comments, but have you considered the possibility of dirty power? I work in a large enterprise environment with a wide swath of new, aging, and ancient infrastructure. I only suggest it because I've encountered similar issues in the last couple years with increased frequency in buildings that require power conditioners for most modern electronics. Dirty power is wild in the problems that it can introduce and is often not something most folks even consider.
06:42 No overclocking is the problem. System these days try to optimize too aggressively for all use cases. For gamers a static frequency and voltage is always the best. I ran my 12700K at 48/47 and turn off E-cores and gave it some overvoltage to make it super stable and temp at 60-70C under stress test.
is there any video on how to do it? My 12700 goes up to 93-95. Would love to drop some temps
For balance, I've had a 12900K build running for 7 months being used 12+ hours daily pretty intensively... absolutely zero issues, in fact I'd say stability is one of the strong points from my POV.
ddr4 or ddr5?
That's good to hear.
I was originally planning to build a new system with Zen 4, but the more I think about it the less I want to be on the first generation of a complete new platform. I'm now leaning towards Intel 13th gen instead, especially as it will be compatible with current Z690 motherboards which will have had time for issues to be flattened out and be a little more stable than 12th gen was on average.
@@michaelpascual2731 ddr5, first with an Asus board then with a MSI board
@@Neil3D cool thanks for the reply 👍
Hey there Jay,
I jumped on 12th Gen right out of the gate. Here's my system: 12900K, GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS PRO, 32GB Corsair DDR5 4800, 2 NVME dries, 1 SSD SATA drive, 1 SATA bulk storage drive. For my GPU I'm running an EVGA FTW3 3080 TI. My power supply is a CORSAIR RM850 CP-9020235-NA 850 W ATX. My case is an MSI MPG GUNGNIR 111M. All the fans (3 front, 1 rear, 2 AIO) are corsair fans controlled by iCUE. The CPU Cooler is the iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX CPU Cooler. Regardless of my best efforts, if I push the CPU with a heavy test load, I'll hit 100 degrees on most of the P cores. I keep looking at other AIO options, but I'm not sure if going to a 360 setup would make that much of a difference.
Being self-employed, this computer is used for everything, i.e., content creation, office applications, accounting, adobe suite apps, and of course gaming. Most of my gaming is very limited as I play valorant with my daughter. I also play a little halo infinite (campaign and online), and that's about it. The bulk of the work is content creation. I had some issues early on, like really early on where the system would post ok one time and then not another. After updating the bios to the most recent revision, that's been solved. I did order another 2 sticks of Corsair DDR5 4800 ram to bring the system up to 64 GB. If I try and run 64 GB, the system will crash at some point. If I enable XMP, it will do it more quickly and more often. If I run the ram as base freq, then it's a lot better, but still will throw a blue screen now and then. As I also stream for my work, stability is far more important than an extra 32gb of ram. Hopefully, there will be an update to resolve this.
When I run 2 sticks of ram, the system is stable as a rock. No issues. The responsiveness is certainly noticeable. I like testing various PC builds simply as a hobby, and the 12th Gen has been the top performer so far.
Cheers
Rick
Thanks for a review of the new tech. I am skipping 12th Gen, as I got into Ryzen last year (5900x and 5600x for my 2 PCs). With all the new standards that dropped at nearly the same time - socket, DDR5, PCIe 5.0 - I didn't feel like being the troubleshooting department for making them all work together. I may jump onto the new Ryzen CPUs when they drop, but at least DDR5 will be a bit more mature and mobos should at least have that figured out by then. Also, interested in new PSUs with the new PCIe power plugs... hope to see those reviewed soon as well.
Same, 5900X on X570 Dark Hero. dont see myself upgrading to even am5. i'll probably wait for ddr5 and all to get more mature.
Just built a new pc with a 5800x3D, end of the gen so no more upgrading, but tbh I’ll enjoy all the stability and I know people still playing their games on gtx 970’s, and I only play multiplayer fps, which those come out once in like 5-10 years at this point. So I think having stable gen with what imo is currently the best cpu available will be absolutely fine.
What did you have before and what are the temps and specs of you knew rig?
it’s such a beast, it just gets pretty hot while gaming. i pretty much can’t play new world without getting to 75-80c so i just don’t even bother. to be fair, it seems more like it’s new world’s fault, but it’s proof that if this cpu gets a heavy load it will be cooking
The 12th gen problems sound a lot like my experiences with bad RAM, but like Jay says, it could be *anything*. This is why I'd rather wait for 13th gen+ Intel or (preferably) the next Ryzen after the upcoming one, just to avoid the early adopter alpha testing
I had that issue with a low end system and i recently rebuilt it with a different motherboard but same model and brand. Problem solved
If you get the new Ryzen when it launches, you'd be an alpha tester with the new roll out of boards for the socket change.
I have a 12th gen system, and yes it has it's hiccups... Especially when I first got it...
I had to fine tune soooo many things with regards to OC, and XMP to get it running at a usable/comfortable setting....
The error I have, that Jay has, is actually a Q-Code 64 error which stalls the system at both either a cold boot, or hot restart... The somewhat different thing for me is, I at least see the post screen of the Asus brand where it hangs... The solution to it (or livable solution I would say) is to just press the physical restart button on your case... Sounds stupid, but it actually works guaranteed every time...
Next time it hangs for you, just restart manually... Not shutdown (i.e. Hold power button to shut down), just restart....
Additionally, RAM is definitely a constant "war of the machines" in my setup... I have 6000 Mhz sticks from trident that I can't enjoy at its full capacity... I had to draw it down to 5200 Mhz, which is stable for me... So yes, XMP and OC does work, but it is within what your system will deem as "reasonable limits"... Thing I couldn't tell you is, if you're a customer interested in buying parts to setup a new system, is if the issue with XMP lies in above 5400+ Mhz RAM sticks, or that power voltage delivery is unable to feed power through dimms/capacitor/etc to the sticks maximum capabilities regardless of its speed....
Hope this helps someone.... 🧡
Thank you. This did actually help!
Glad it helped!.... 🙌🏽💯🧡
I had a similar issue with not booting with one of the dell PCs. However, that issue was that after the bios update that it expected the m.2 SSD to have a newer firmware than it had and thus did only warm boot (restart, etc.) Check out if all firmware are up to date.
I have had to opposite experience so far. no BSOD, XMP profiles worked to get the mem to advertised speed. CPU is over clocked 12900k on a ROG STRIX Z690-F GAMING WIFI Board, 32GB of DDR5 6000 (OC), i'll update if things go south been a month or more so far.
I built a new system in February 2022 much like yours Jay. Asus ROG Strix Z690-E motherboard, i9 12900K, 32 GB G.Skill 6000 DDR5, EVGA RTX 3080Ti, Windows 11 Pro. I made sure I was on the latest BIOS, and have the latest chipset drivers etc. I also made sure my memory was on the qualified Asus list for this motherboard, and I have no overclocking set except for using the XMP1 profile for my memory. Temps on the video card and the CPU are around 32 degrees Celsius at idle, and under load are between 60 and 70 Celsius each (I have a 360mm Enermax AIO cooler on the CPU and 4 case fans in my Corsair 5000D Airflow case).
The system has been rock-solid EXCEPT for when I run Battlefield 2042. That game would regularly crash and put me back to the desktop seemingly at random. Some nights it doesn't happen at all, and other nights it happens three times in an hour. No problems with any other games or apps (like Rainbow Six Siege, or when I edit and encode my GeForce Experience videos for TH-cam using the ShotCut program). The first thing I did in an attempt to stop the crashes with BF2042 was to use DDU to remove all the drivers and reinstall the latest GeForce drivers and GeForce Experience. After that, BF2042 would still crash and I even had a complete system lock-up and blue screen error while running BF2042 (a first for my system). However, it has just been over the past few days that I believe I have figured out the reason for my BF2042 crashes. When I play BF2042, I stop running the EVGA Precision X1 software (I still run Precision X1 all other times). Over the past few days, I have not had a single crash or blue screen while running BF2042. I suspect that BF2042 simply does not run well with Precision X1 for some reason.
I hope this helps someone out there and gives some insight into what may be causing issues others may be having. I'm very happy with my 12th gen system and am very glad I built it earlier this year. Good luck in resolving the remaining issues you may still have with your system. I know it's not an easy or always fun thing to troubleshoot.
Do you use the EVGA Precision X1 for overclocking only or for RGB control as well? If only for overclocking maybe MSI Afterburner would solve your issue.
@@thorlus Thanks for the reply. I only used it for monitoring purposes. I didn't do any overclocking, or RGB management. I just liked having it up on my second monitor to watch temperatures and clock speeds while I was playing a game.
Since that time Battlefield still crashes every now and then so I think in the end it was just the game. Other software and games I run don't crash.
I have jumped on the 12 gen bandwagon as well (12900k). But it is a ddr4 system (ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4) with 32 gbs of 4000mhz ram and a 3080ti. The only thing i have to complain after 4 months is that its hard to keep this sucker cool even with a 360mm AIO. Out of the box with XMP enabled, it was thermal throttling withins 2 minutes on all P cores except 1 while using cinebench R23. Undervolting it a little helps but it still will thermal throttle after 10 minutes or so on some P cores. I cannot undervolt any more because im starting to have stability problems. I was wondering if the heat issue might be related to the fact that its a ddr4 system.
Cant wait for you to try it on ddr4 to see what you think of it!
That's not good. How bent your cpu is? Have you done the washer mod? I gained 5-10c depending on the core and now i'm like 90c in cinebench. My cpu shows a little bent when checking against light so i ordered the new thermal grizzly contact plate and planning to do some sanding. But yeah i guess in order to get it under 80c we need to delid.
@@jaybee0507 I tried with my old H110iGT it was loose so i did put some washers to get some pressure on the cpu package. It did not work for me... so was like hey lets go from a 280 to a 360
@@jaybee0507 The cpu is not bent at all though
I had a lot of the same issues at the beginning, random freezing or restarts, blue screen of death... I have a 12th gen i9-12900K, Asus RTX 3060 12g oc, Maximus z690 formula, corsair vengeance DDR5 64g 5200Mhz ram. I kept getting a 00 error code. Long story short I found out that the ram was actually causing the issue. Then I had to use the onboard video output because, for some reason, it didn't like the driver from Nvidia. However, after updating everything and switching to windows 11 I have not had any issues. I'm getting too old to compete in PVP anymore, my response time is too slow lol, but it's a perfect rig imo for farming and streaming video on a separate monitor.
I've been on a 12900K since release on an Asus ROG Strix Z690 Gaming A DDR 4 board with a 3080 and have had 0 issues Jay, slight overclock to 5ghz all core on the CPU and 2 x 16gb Sticks of Crucial ballistix DDR 4 CL14 3600 running at 3800 on Windows 11, It's been rock solid since day 1.
I have had my 12700K for 5 months now and it has been great. I am using a DDR4 platform with XMP enabled with no issues. I have had only 1 app that had an issue with the E-Cores. Knockout City would have massive stuttering issues and be unplayable until I disabled the E-Cores in my BIOS. I also have had issues with Lock-Ups however my monitors cut to white, green, or black, with the 0x116 code. Its almost like the GPU stops responding because sounds are still being played and I can still communicate with people via discord before the system resets. Which leads me to think its not an issue with the CPU. I have used both Windows 10 and 11 on this machine (Just upgraded to Windows 11 a couple days ago) and so far no issues. I will see if I get the same 0x116 codes on Windows 11.
UPDATE: My PC just crashed with the same 0x116 Code, so I can confirm it still happens on windows 11
System Specs:
CPU: i7 12700K
GPU: GTX 1070Ti
RAM: 64GB DDR4 @3600MHz
MOBO: MSI Z690 Gaming Edge Wi-Fi
Boot Drive: Samsung 850 Evo SSD
Dod you get the same code
@@Darryldlowe yes I will get the same crashes on windows 11 unfortunately
After using AMD for years (2700x) and thinking about upgrading to a 5950x I decided to make the switch to intel after seeing all the benchmarks. I'm currently running a 12900K in a ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4 motherboard with 64gb of DDR4 CL14 4000mhz ram & a 3080ti and I have to say I'm really glad I didn't go AMD this time. No hiccups whatsoever and it cruises at 1440p like it's nothing! And with PCIe5 GPU's right around the corner I'm not feeling any buyers remorse
I've always been a fan of intel. I switched to amd two years ago using the 3950x and no problems whatsoever. Just switched to the 5950x and it was a big improvement since the 5950x can reach a little over 5.0 ghz (so far 5.1 ghz on it air cooled). My 3950x never got over 4.3 ghz (bad luck on the silicon lottery). Wish I could use the 7950x but would have to buy a new mobo, and ram. That chip looks like it can hit 6.0 ghz water cooled.
Hey J
12900KF Gigabyte Aorus Master Z690. Ran fine for 2 days but had lots of memory training issues on GSKILL @6400. 2 days and it damaged 1x 16Gb stick from the pair. Swapped GKSILL for Corsair @6000MHz and it's been smooth sailing for the last 3 months. I am struggling with overclocking and heat issues (aorus waterforce x360), other than that its really been great.
New subscriber, thank you for the content. Built this 12gen, my first PC after watching almost all your videos.
I've been using my 12900K for several months to almost a year. No issues. Only issue I had on that platform was getting the board to see 64GB DDR5. A BIOS update did the trick.
have you had any issue related to high temps and a lot of heat? I’ve bought i9 12900k a week ago and i’m struggling against high temps around 95/100 Celsius
Its a lot of heat and a lot of wattage though. Do you agree? Now Ryzen 7900 65w max 88w. Thats efficient.
@@victoralcantara5747 I had to liquid cool mines. Sounds like your're running on air.
@@victoralcantara5747 I’m running a 360mm aio with a 12900k and it hits 95C at full usage, mines slightly over clocked though. If you are having Colin troubles I recommend undervolting/under clocking the cpu a bit
I think DDR5 is the issue honestly. It is just always seeming like ram issues
yup seems like a ram issue but could also be mem controller
@@elvewizzy temps are easy enough to manage if you set a fan on them.
The issues with ddr5 I reckon are first gen tech issues, they'll improve, both the trace routes in subsequent designs, and firmware updates.
@Sgt_Assassin 123
Do you think Jay bend his 12900K?
Look it up 12900K's are bending in sockets.
I agree, i think this ties into the other issue where 12th gen couldnt run 4 dimms of high speed ram. Im guessing 2 dimms just lower the instability (as oppose to removing it all together). Has to be related to the IMC still in its first iteration for ddr5, i think ddr5 is much further ahead than the current gen CPUs controller. Similar to when 1st gen i7 ddr3 would cap out at 2000mhz, when haswell took it all the way to 3000mhz due to IMC improvements.
I finally picked up my last piece of hardware for my new 12th gen ddr5 build (first computer build ever so I'm crossing my fingers I don't mess anything up). Big improvement from my current 2nd gen ddr3 PC. From reading the comments, it seems that the instability comes mainly from the DDR5 memory. I hope I don't have such issues, I'm terrified of having a boot problem and needing to troubleshoot it.
Anyway, I've been watching a bunch of your videos lately, and I appreciate how clear and easy to understand you make everything. It gave me confidence to try my hand at pc building. I'm quite anxious about it to be honest. I'll be posting an update on how it goes!
How did you get on ? I’m just about to finish my first build also , aorus master mb ddr5 ram 12600KF hard tube liquid cooled .. just about to bend my last tube and fill the lines … I’m paranoid now
@@NRLFREAKS Everything is running smoothly since the first boot! granted, I'm running an air cooling tower, so no water cooling involved. But luckily everything worked and I had no issues whatsoever. My only concern is that I may have put a little too much thermal paste, but I'm too scared to take it apart and look at the footprint tbh. CPU temps are a little higher than I would have hoped for, but still well under the safe limit, hitting 4.98Ghz consistently without any throttling (12700K).
Still, I'm putting off certain things that could easily bring problems: Mb bios update, and setting up the XMP to take advantage of the 5.2Mhz memory. I might never do it at all, as honestly I don't think I will ever need it.
Great video Jayz. I have a 12 Gen Intel system (i712700K) and as most users who like updated hardware and software, I put up with some of the headaches that arise. I’m in the process of getting myself up to speed in the video editing arena and am currently working with Davinici Resolve Studio. While I like games, I don’t have much time for them considering my full time job in management, the occasional round of golf, and my faith based responsibilities (oh, did I forget to mention my Mrs. :-) . Back to the point at hand…I wanted a system (of reasonable cost) to get me through the new hobby of mine (videos, edit, etc). My other system (which I’ve repurposed most of the hardware and incorporated into the new) was /is based on the Intel 9900KF, 32G DDR4 ram, multiple 1TB NVME /PCIE drives and NVIDIA 2070Super. The issues initial installation of Windows 11 aggravated me so much that I almost went back to a clean install of windows 10;but, if you have great hardware, its a crime not to use the proper software that takes advantage and is designed for your investment. Thanx for the great posts and videos (wide range of tech topics…love it).
Why I'm anti-Windows-11: How about the removal of many taskbar settings and options? How about moving the sound icon under another icon in the bottom right part of the task bar. How about removing option to move taskbar to top, left, right, etc? Oh and the [very badly built] Xbox app being available for Windows 10? Most of the changes seem to be removing and abstracting features for increased elegance with reduced user options/control. Copying Apple?
I upgraded to i9 12900k, Asus z690, rtx 3080, ddr5 - 5600, about 1 month ago and I have had zero issues. the only issue I ran into was when I turned cpu ai overclocking on. cinebench and games blue screened. temps are hot and fans run high and load also but I'm okay with that. cheers J!
Been running a 12700k (to replace a 6700k, kept the GTX1080 from prev. build) for a few months now. Went with the DDR4 build to save cash, and no complaints so far. Definitely some weird booting issues from time to time. Definitely concerned about the power usage if I choose to upgrade the GPU later, as I bought a new EVGA 750W PSU, and looking at how power hungry some cards are I might not have enough for everything. Chose a Noctua NH-D15, been very satisfied.
Been thinking of upgrading my 6700K (OC to 4.8) to a I9-12900K. How do you like your upgrade a year later than when you made this post?
@@trumpsextratesticle8590 Worth it 100%, send it.
Hi, my take on this is that my good old Hackintosh got a "little" outdated for my homestudio works (music production, audio editing and 4k footage editing) and i stumbled across guys wondering if it would be possible to make this happen on 12th gen CPUs, as Apple does not use them. Long story short, these insane nuts made it happen with not too much hassle to get around the big/little stuff and i tried to give it a crack. Thunderbolt is working, performance is insane - to be honest: power draw as well, but given the fact the Mac would have cost me at least three times the money i consider this a win/win for me. And no: for this setup AMD would have never been a possibility, as AMD hacks always show up weird issues with Apple specific software as Adobe studio, Logic, FCPX or the macos version of Davinci. As i am dealing with the power draw only while rendering, it is bearable for me. Fun fact is that i am getting the same performance with my macos setup as with my WIN11 setup (dual boot). Am i happy ? Yes ! P.S.: GB Z690 Gaming X DDR4, 32 GB DDR 3600-CL16, 12700K, some NVME Gen4 drives and my trusty RX 570 8GB (for given reasons)...and anything before BIOS version F4 was...ahem...difficult - so this stuff was not only Asus related.
Hi Jay, just finished setting up 12th gen. 12700K + Asus TUF Gaming Plus Wifi D4.. So far no blue-screens, no issue with system hanging.. XMP 1 profile set in and never had an issue. ☺️🤞🏻
I'm waiting for the new platforms at the end of this year. I'm due for a change being on 7th gen Intel but I'm comfortable to wait with what is right around the corner. I won't be building as soon as they drop likely due to scarcity and demand so will have to wait a bit.
Been using a 12900k for about a month now myself. Been awesome, running all my games great in conjunction with my RTX 3090. Haven't had any issues so far.
Im running a 12900k, PRIME Z690-P D4, MSI 6600XT, G Skill (2x32) 3200 64GB of DDR4 and 1TB WD Black SN850 NVMe. Knock on wood, not a single issue. Been up with no down minus OS updates with 0 issues. Granted i'm not moving it from room to room (that sounds like a physical issue to me). I'm running Linux (Fed 35) with Qemu/KVM with 1 win 10 vm and 3 Linux VM's always running and MacOS 12.3.1 with the 6600xt PCI passthrough as my desktop 24x7 with 0 issues. I couldn't be happier. Running the mem with xmp2.0, and standard Asus performance settings.
This is why you wait for the 2nd round on a new socket, which unfortunately for Intel users means often the final round of a socket since they change every 2 gens
This socket will have longer support, supposedly
I have 2 12900K systems that have been running for over a month. I have 1 12900KF system that I've had for about 5 months. The first two systems are being used by my kids and they have been dead stable. The latter system is my personal development machine. I have a 5950 system as well, and the 12900KF system is 30-50% faster in compilation of various applications I'm developing. All systems have been dead stable. All are Asus 690 motherboards with RTX-3080 FTW3s and DDR5. Not running XMP on any of them. I'm about ready to buy another system and it'll be a 12900K, too. In retrospect, I wouldn't have done DDR5 in the two systems for my kids, as there's not enough of a performance advantage over DDR4 for their use.
How much money do you HAVE, geez
@@flameshana9 Last upgrades were in 2011 vs. 2017, so saving up == easily possible.
I just built a 12th gen system. 12700K, Prime Z690-A, 32gb Trident DDR5 5600 and a 6700XT. Posted with no issues. I got one blue screen in the first few days but now it is running flawlessly. I am very happy with my upgrade. Good luck.
This is probably why it always seems like a good idea to wait until the second generation in a new CPU socket's life.
By then most teething problems be it CPU, Motherboard and RAM or a combination of the 3 will at least me known or fixed by then.
Technically every Intel socket is a new socket but yeah I get what you mean
@@g00gle1sw4tchingme 🤔🤔❓❓
@@g00gle1sw4tchingme intel releases a new socket every gen. That’s why I went AMD
@@Brian-iz9sh honestly though when you upgrade your CPU you usually end up upgrading the mobo too. Even on an AMD system. Otherwise you'd be missing out on new features.
New build no issues, already been waiting 2 years for GPU to be affordable. Don't be put off. Parts can always be returned. Be Brave.
I would like to see more of this,cause persons just build a pc show it works n when you do build the same build you run into alot of software problems.
I built my first pc about 2 months ago. I have the 12700k and I have not had a single problem. I absolutely love it. It is very fast and I do not regret it.
I had the problems you described when I underclocked the cache voltage to much. I'm now running 5.0Ghz cache with just 0.010v offset undervolt 100% stable. Running the Asus TUF Gaming D4 z690-plus wifi which is a DDR4 board though.
I had an incredibly frustrating experience getting a stable 12th gen build using a 12700k which isn't as taxing on the 12900k. The motherboards have been, in large part, garbage. Board #1 was an ASUS Hero which I returned due to having the backwards capacitor/chip. Board #2 was a MSI Carbon which had its USB ports start cutting in and out a few minutes after boot up for seemingly no reason. Board #3 was an ASUS Apex which had one m.2 slot that wouldn't show up 50% of the time on boots and I got a ton of blue screens due to "memory errors" which never happened on any of the other boards despite using the exact same DDR5 memory across all of them (BIOS memory tests showed zero errors). Board #4 was yet another MSI Carbon (everything else was back out of stock by then) and I *finally* got a board with all its USB/m.2 ports working and it's also given me zero crashes or headaches. It works just like a motherboard should. Now that everything is working properly it's been an incredibly fast and reliable system, but the path to get here almost had me going back to the 10900k in rage. And if this fourth board shows any issues I'll be doing just that.
got the 12700k and MSI MPG edge, just built the pc today and no problems so far, except the m.2 heatsink was kinds broken, screw hole not connected to motherboard. Did not affect anything though because there are like 4 slots for an nvme
Man 1 - 2 boards having problems okay, but more than that I’m I feel like some user error is in the mix somewhere.
Started with the Hero, same issue you had with the capacitor. Went to the Apex, had stability problems only that were my own doing from pushing the overclocks. Dialed it back down to 5.4 Ghz, dialed down the AI overclocking cooler optimism a tad and its been stable ever since. Kryonaught paste w/ H150i elite lcd 360mm
@@NeptuneSega Ha, I truly wish it was user error as then I'd know what the underlying problem was. But this was far from my first PC building rodeo so I doubt that was the case. (All hardware was always at stock settings as well.) I really wish the Hero board was assembled correctly as I had zero issues with it for a month aside from learning it was a ticking time bomb thanks to the incorrect capacitor. Had that one chip not been backwards I could have avoided all the headaches the other two boards provided. Oh well. If you build computers long enough seemingly everyone has a nightmare build/generation. 12th gen and its motherboards was mine.
3:40 Being a systems builder my self, I have had the exact same issues with Asus boards. After having multiple issues, with Asus boards I decided to pull the CPU on multiple boards and look at the socket under a microscope, what I found was the Asus socket is faulty, starting with the 1151 socket up to the 1700 socket. The pin tips were rolled over, which doesn't allow good contact with the CPU plates , but with a nudge or a slight shock would move the pin slightly. The only conclusion I can think off is the pins are not making good contact with the CPU plates until a nudge or some movement allowing or stopping the pins from making contact with the Plates on the CPU. In 1st quarter 2023 I stopped using Asus boards entirely and my weekends have become much more enjoyable by not fixing customer systems.
I have been on 12th gen for just over a month with zero complaints. Everything worked from day 1 with fantastic performance.
I7-12700, MSI Z690, DDR4
DDR5 scared me away after seeing and reading so many horror stories.
I had screwy problems similar to yours with a 9th gen chip. Turned out to be a defective cpu. More specifically, i think a problem with i-graphics, though it was not being used (2070 gpu). This chip would pass all intel cpu diagnostic tests, but certain programs and apps used the i-graphics for acceleration?Chromium based apps acted strange or didn’t work at all.
I've had my 12th gen system for about two and a half weeks now, and one of my problems is that my computer will shut off during games, especially at launch of games. Not a controlled shut down, but a shut down like a circuit breaker trip. Will reboot itself just fine afterwards. 12600KF with an MSI B660 Tomahawk and EVGA 3070 Ti XC3 Ultra on an 850w platinum EVGA P5 PSU. No idea what's causing it, and it's seemingly random.
EVGA p5's Have had a few issues with the 3000 Series, which is potentially whats causing it.
@@ShimejiiGaming EVGA is on my do not buy list for PSUs. I know that angers some fanboys but Corsair and seasonics just work in comparison
Have u checked temperatures? I tested the cpu without case fans (unwillingly, made a plug-in mistake so only aio was running) and after like 15 minutes of gaming it overheated and just shut down probably because of temperature of the cpu
@@SythinityOWO I have. Ran Cinebench r23 and Heaven on ultra. CPU never went past 64 degrees (I have an EK 360 Elite cooler on it), the GPU hovered around 81 degrees under load. Last night I was playing The Room 3, and the CPU stayed at 36 degrees with 4% usage and GPU hovered around 68 degrees with 35% usage. The system still had a shutdown.
Had that happen when I got my 3080 on my old PSU. Was technically on paper good enough to support my hardware but the random power spikes from the 3080 would trip the over current protection and turn the computer off. Had to buy a new PSU to resolve the issue. Your system is doing the exact same thing mine was so maybe pick up another PSU from a local place or online store that has a no questions asked return policy and see if a new PSU fixes the problem.
I feel like I am very late to the chat here and that most of these issues are probably resolved by now, but I just built my first system about 2 months ago with a i512600kf, ddr4 ram (32gb) rtx 3060ti (upgraded to a 3090 with cpu upgrade coming soon) on a msi pro mobo. no issues here other than me figuring out my first system. As it turns out I like messing with computers as much as vehicles.
The insane hardware requirements that Windows 11 has is one of the main reasons why I don't like it. That and the fact that you're REQUIRED to use a Microsoft account. Had Microsoft not done these things, I'd be more open to using it
You don't need an account with the "windows for workstations" edition (plus it comes with a lot of the consumer guff off by default); the only hardware requirement over w10 is TPM module on your mobo - pretty much any modern motherboard will have it - or it costs ten bucks - if you need a discrete module. Win 11 has some very very nice virtualisation features, I switched early on for WSL2, would not go back to 10. Being able to natively run the linux kernel means my need to boot into a virtual machine to test builds has dropped by 90%. For day to day stuff, not sure if it makes any difference tbh; but for dev and org deployment stuff, win 11 has been very nice.
Im running win 11 with 3900x and a rtx 2080 it and runs great
Everyone says this with every release of windows. In my opinion it would be akin to saying, man, that new Rockstar game has some insane hardware requirements. With progression of software comes stronger requirements. I don't like that I had to sign in though. Nor that windows is a paid product that forces me to have bloat on it. But in general Windows 11 was easy to clean up and I really like the UI and changes they have made sans a few things. I don't like that pinning to the taskbar requires a more option click after a right click. Things like that.
I will not support those bullshit requirements designed for planned obsolescence
@@Grawbad TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot, along with not supporting fairly modern Intel CPUs (that still run perfectly fine) is going too far. This is far too aggressive
Hearing about the issue of his system working in one room and not the other, I wonder if the voltages are the same between the 2 rooms. At my workplace, the assembly room runs 120v and the test room runs 220v with PDUs on the test racks. There have been cases of power supplies failing on 220v but working fine on 120v. We'd usually do initial inspection of the systems out on the assembly room before moving it into the test room where the OS and software suite installation and system stability testing is done. Very rarely but, there have been systems that would keep failing on 220v and not recovering at all, and when those systems are moved out into the assembly room to further breakdown the system and troubleshoot, it would work fine and pass some testing without issue. If the 2 rooms jay is moving the system between use different voltages, maybe try swapping the power supply or motherboard out. Thought this might help. lol
Built a 12700k, MSI z690, ddr4, system for a buddy a few weeks ago, mainly for video editing. He's decided to wait on the graphics card. Enabled XMP (3600) and MSI's "one-click" overclock with an air cooler.
No issues.
i've had my 12900k for almost 2 months and I've had 0 issues whatsoever with it. Running on ddr5 16gb. Maybe check if the ram being used is recommended for that mobo? I'm surprised to see so many other people having no issues at all also though
windows 11?
@@jamesleicher Yup and no issues with windows either. Only when I first got it it wouldn't let me download dolby access(was a windows update that needed to be installed) and ofc it took me like an hour to realize that lmfao. Other than that nothing with pc since
@@zFA113NNINJA on 2 ram sticks or four? i think the problem is running four sticks which is giving issues? i don't know if it is in general or a particular brand.
(DDR5). DDR4 should be fine
@@ACaramelCalamity Honestly I think there is but im not too sure abt it. But I have heard of companies ram having issues with certain motherboards and such so could be something along the lines of that. Even with being ddr4 or 5 compatible
@@Taz8r 2 of course, I'm only on 16 Gb my guy I ain't that rich LMAO. But yeah that's definitely something that could be it if I were to upgrade to 32 I'd probably just stay on 2 sticks just to be safe. But that price is just crazy rn