I had an absolute blast last night with my 5090. We played so many VR titles and more, finished up the night with a great dinner… then I woke up from the dream.
@@kingeryck1 still can, you just won't be able to play the unoptimized UE5 dumpster fires at ultra settings, but that's ok, a lot of them look terrible at any setting
05:05 Because Jay Broke It!, You went for a record not an all day over-clock...User Error. AND: Thankyou Jay now we know the general Zotac 5090 silicon limit. Peace ☮☮🤔
Who’s both? Not me lol scapler listing on my market place in my area said I got a notification he sold it for over $3k someone was desperate enough to buy it for $3k or more!!!!
i dont know avout that investment.. i had sevetal 4090's that burned, fires happened, and just simple doa or just dies randomly.. a lot of money went into the 4090's either off the shelf and prebuilts.
Not true at all, don't be ignorant. They're being sold, not sitting there. The majority of the GPU's are sold to gamers, scalpers are a large but still minority percentage compared to gamers lining up to buy when stock alerts hit. The issue is a terribly low supply. Not "scalpers". Scalpers only show up when there's incredibly low supply to exploit the market condition of extreme scarcity. If there were NO scalpers, you probably still would not have a GPU as all the other gamers would've bought it in seconds and sold out just as quick. If so many scalpers had the GPU'S like you claim, than the price per GPU would crash to retail price and there would be zero incentive to scalp since they couldn't be sold.
@DrDoinks I didn't mean for my comment to come off as ignoring the actual shortage if the cards. In hindsight, I should have put that the low stock that's available is mostly sitting in the hands of scalpers. I get why you still think I'm ignorant and I believe both things are true.
@@ThePoushal Yeah, except you've just said nothing to counter my point. But you won't do that, because you're just butthurt but don't have any facts behind why you are
Step 1) design a new power connector Step 2) have horrendous problems with said power connector and release a revision Step 3) release new cards that exceed the specifications that you, yourself, set Step 4) $$$
@@N3v3r_S3ttl3 yes. people who design the software are indeed the over clockers and as such push it with variable software and Motherboard bios/ Its only when realize this that you wait before you buy and let everyone else beta test that shit.
@@N3v3r_S3ttl3 which wouldnt be an issue if nvidia didnt push 575 watts through a 600 watts rated cable without account for transient spikes. it is a bad idea and problems will continue until they go back to 8 pin power.
With no high tier 4000 series available and with AMDs top tier GPUs being sold out too, theres no other options out there rn. So everyone looking for a mid-high tier gpu are out of luck till the 9070 releases or 5000 series actually hits retailers
mine showed up yesterday. only paid $400. now i get to turn around and sell my 6900xt for between $500-$550. admittedly though I got lucky. it was an untested card from ebay being sold as "for parts" if i remember correctly. only thing wrong with it is a cracked fan (none of the blades were effected) and the cooler on the end furthest from the connections is bent a bit. all the warranty stickers are still in place. only thing i had to do was bend the mounting bracket back in place a bit.
@@RAM_C5The markups on prebuilts is almost as much as the scalpers. Nothing against prebuilts, but that’s why people who want to upgrade an existing machine don’t buy them.
@NOISYBOY0706 I comped everything afterwords and markup was close to 300$. Shipping was free also.... I'm sure I could wait however many months to hopefully get lucky and get a 9800X3D or 5090, but I'll have mine later this month - fully tested and no headaches for an extra 300.
@@iHadWaterForDinner Well they ARE the apple. All the work is done on nvidia cards, and best everyone has to offer is emulation of CUDA (the thing that made nvidia a monopoly just as professional editing software made apple a monopoly when they were still using intel CPU`s).
As someone who lives in Californian-adjacent conditions (East Coast Australia) I cannot imagine not only having a 575w GPU, but then over clocking it and running it during the summer. My 4090 already turns my study into a swampy biome at 440w, let alone this monstrosity.
Occasionally I forget the OC bios is on, and cook myself in my harry potter cave, sim racing under the stairs at 550w. I think with an OC 5090 in there the carpet on the stairs would be bubbling
TBF regardless if your system is pulling 400W or 600W, after a few hours in a closed room with minimal airflow it's going to get rough in the summer either way.
Saw that also while i was in work and i must a bit laugh cuz bruhh that expensive gpus Like 5090 and right after driver instal gpu goes into móde o dont exist anymore so yeah funny shit so far but we beard just about two burned psus and just one new 13 pin burned out so i guess we have to prepare for some shit coming
9:28 Umm, no they haven't? Run msconfig, go to the Boot tab and click Safe Boot. Yes, they should still have a hotkey to do it pre-boot, but the ability to reboot in Safe Mode has most certainly not been removed.
Yeah Jay says some wild things sometimes. You can also still just use the cmd prompt to get to the advanced boot options using, "SHUTDOWN /R /O". Use "SHUTDOWN /?" to see descriptions of all the available flags.
I'm trying to understand.... So the card was overclocked and boosted well above it's limits, starts having problems afterwards, and this comment section is like "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'D RELEASE SUCH TRASH." lol Like realistically the slight performance gain for the price is a big enough issue, but it's a bit disingenuous to be upset over it crashing after boosting it way beyond where it's supposed to go.
Mismanaged launch and mismanaged software releases. I would wait till like the middle of the year or longer before buying a new 5090 card. Just wait and let everyone else be the "beta" tester.
@@johnniewalker33that’s my plan dude. I got a 7900xtx for a new build I’m building tomorrow gonna wait until Black Friday at the end of the year to get one…
Between the over inflated prices, the shortages, the power demands and gargantuan sizes....This is all getting too stupid to upgrade a video card. Fuck this. Praying for the day integrated graphics on processors get good enough to leave this nonsense in the bins of history
Most AIB software has and will likely always be crap or run unnecessary processes in the background. Afterburner is great because MSI didn't create it. EVGA was the best one next to Afterburner... every launch I miss them more and more but man did they get out at the right time.
@@JJFX- You'd think nvidia would have their own OC software like amd has built into their driver by now instead of relying on one dev from russia or EVGA who left the industry.
@@WayStedYou Well the new Nvidia app supposedly started integrating those features but I have no interest in finding out. All of these programs are just a UI that sets parameters through Nvidia's API. I even made a batch file interface awhile back for OCing that could quickly apply presets by passing parameters thru old programs like nvoclock and nvidiaInspector. You could even adjust the power limit and do basic monitoring straight from the cmd line thru Nvidia-SMI installed with the driver.
You're lucky that hundred shot of Mhz didn't blow the welds on the intake! Now, Nick and the mad scientist (Phil) got to rip apart the block... and replace the piston rings you fried.
@JamieReynolds89 i thought about it. On paper the 5090 should be far superior but it really just seems like a 4090 that they shoved an extra 125 watts into.
@ My upgrades tend to center around that I play in 4k and in VR. But my 4090 is running both pretty well so until something happens that forces me to upgrade I'd rather buy new flight sim gear lol
Windows 11 didn't remove boot to safe mode. When pressing restart on the start menu hold shift and keep holding it while windows 11 is rebooting you will get the start options as usual. Windows 11 acts odd and instead of going to the start options like windows 10 it will reboot and then give you the start options as long as you keep shift down where you can select going into safe mode which is now called start options in windows 11. In DDU go into settings and at the bottom of the options you can clock a box to stop windows from downloading new GPU drivers.
Fabs dont have different processes for the 5090 and 5070 or amd/intel clocked at one speed vs another with the same die layout; the difference is just how perfect the lithography was, and as a result, how high the chip can be clocked and perform reliably. there is obviously some variability in the process, and it will obviously matter somewhere. thats often only at the limits, like when overclocking, but its why results vary and OC really is something of an art. a new car is practically silent. after 10 years of use, or 1000 track miles, it wont be as silent. still quiet but relative before, noisier.
depends on how you determine the best. if you mean just straight performance the 4090 will win, but if you want price to performance the 7900xtx is going to win every time rn. especially if you can get a good deal on one which is completely possible
Constructive criticism: Try to repro this problem on a separate test bench. Windows seems to be very easy to corrupt lately, which causes tons of GPU instability, if the driver crashes. I ran into this a lot with a recent build. A fresh install of Windows can seriously make all the difference if some core windows components that the drivers rely on have been corrupted.
This happens to people who run on PCIE 4.0 mobos over time if they dont manually select 4.0 in the BIOS. Ive heard of many people running into random performance drops after time and this fixing it. Also, id get rid of the zotac software. Redditors say its broken. You can use nvidia software if afterburner eont work.
This problem is not PCIe related in my expierience, i ran my board locked in Gen4 from the start. It still happened to me with Afterburner and the Palit Thundermaster. My solution so far is to not touch any voltage control in any software since the nvidia driver seems to be the issue. After touching the voltage, as soon as the driver restarts from a crash during an OC attempt or a system reboot, the frequency goes bananas and locks at a pretty low value, for me it was 1240mhz. with a +400mhz OC it would be locked at 1640mhz.
I think one of the biggest "flops", is them not coming up with some more powerfull cable solution for such high TDP , and leave some room for overclocking etc .
@@nullvoid3990 Yeah i remeber that one, but then people would need PSU with x2 12vhpwr connectors too . Myb just keep x1 12vhpwr, and add x1 or x2 8pin even tho x1 would be fine, everyone has a psu with extra x2 or x3 8 pins, while having 12vhpwr connected . With my MSI 1000W for x3 8 pin gpu for example, you use this cable that goes into 12vhpwr connector in psu, but split into x2 8pins at the end, and you add x1 8pin , and thats whats recommended by MSI for x3 8pin gpus .Im not sure whats the rating for that 12vhpwr cable that they include that splits into x2 8pins, but regular 8pin is usually around 175w+, and you have an extra 50/60 from pcie on mbo . So x1 12vhpwr , x1 8pin - 600w+175w+60w ( pcie slot ) = 735w , with a possible chance of another 175w, if they were to add x2 8pins .
Correction to the middle of the video. Windows has NOT removed the option to reboot into safe mode. You hold shift while you click restart and it'll boot into and advanced option menu from which you can boot into safe mode.
Sliders have been basically placebo for several generations. You can't damage a card by maxing out software sliders. Cards are locked both by firmware and electrically
@Ktmzqw they have protections, but they definitely can allow an imperfect chip to get into unstable ranges, and they have software fuses that prevent repeat abuse until you reset them
I found this odd too. could have swore there was a time he'd never do this just because it can mess up the card. but maybe something changed that i'm unaware of.
I usually run Firestrike windowed and chicken clock it first to find where it's likely to crash, then i'll switch to smaller clock and voltage increments to get the sweet spot. I think the first card I OC'ed didn't give a shit and took me 3 hours to slowly walk the clock up. Never again 😅
@@jamestaylor9887It doesn't mess up anything other than the benchmark when it crashes and raising the voltage to maximum basically does nothing when the card is already power limited.
ATTENTION JAY: Maybe not just with the 5090! I have a 4090 Zotac and just yesterday I was in a rally and a few other games noticed that my FPS went from 90 to 45 FPS. Thought it might have been a issue with the FPS counter but you have confirmed that it most likey isn't.
The software is not an issue! 50 series cards are built on shitty 50 amps drmoses. That shit may short or burn a hole in pcb. The increased power consumption and no boost could be caused by failed drmos as they are fed from 12V psu line. Core is not receiveng full power but shorted component will pull more current from powersupply. Gaming on it is not a good choice. Open it up and measure resistance on 12V shunts if it is close to short it is fried!
On a $2000+ GPU, I'm glad we have all these test mules out there. Having the privilege of being an early adopter of new tech is not always a good thing.
I'm having the same issues with my 5080 Zotac. I isolated the issue to drivers for my onboard 9800X3D video drivers. I disabled the integrated graphics and problems went away.
For anyone following this that has wireless: Instead of quickly trying to disconnect, go into your settings (prior to safe mode reboot) and “forget” any networks you could connect to.
I don't think this issue is Firestorm specifically, but any of these OC software (including Afterburner) that have voltage monitoring and control enabled. There has been a huge problem of 5080s (from all vendors) getting stuck at 1900MHz and people could not consistently get it boosting again. The fact you crashed and then started to not boost properly as soon as you touched the voltage makes me think it's the same issue for 5090s. It's just not as widely reported because there are significantly more 5080s out there. But recently someone figured out that it was related to the voltage settings. MSI Afterburner has 3 voltage related settings, and all 3 need to be disabled to fix this. These users would get the same problem with other software like Firestorm as well, but I'm not sure if Firestorm has settings to disable voltage monitoring and control. Also, in order to "wake up" the card these people also had to switch between quiet and OC bios once or twice and also reboot. So anyone having trouble with their 50 series not boosting properly should disable voltage monitoring and control settings in their OC software and see if it helps. And if your card has dual bios, that might get it out of its funk. p.s. Afterburner 4.6.6 beta 5 was just released and has 50 series support
Jay, try installing the Nvidia App and use the built in overclocking utility to see if THAT works. I don't think you can manually increase clock speeds, but you can at least increase power and voltage sliders to see if you're still crashing. Can also try the Auto tuner built into the App.
hadn't used their new software before. Played with a pals 3060, we tried the auto tuner, took 40 mins to find an unstable OC. Did give us a good idea of where the limits were if he tries Afterburner though. They are getting there at least, Adrenalin is still miles better...for now.
@@fracturedlife1393 as a 7900xtx owner after a 3070ti... Jesse what the fuck are you talking about, adrenalin is absolute trash. that shit can't even autoupdate properly.
should've ran without the OC software anyway, to see if it made any difference. Because then, you're troubleshooting the software to verify if the software is causing the issue
Well no that’s a terrible way of thinking about this, these are tech channels, whats the biggest news and events in tech need videos made about then, especially since it’s spreading awareness of this garbage
@ When it comes at the expense of consumers not being able to get them…they aren’t important. Hundreds and hundreds of “influencers” got the product, more then was available to the public. What’s the point of the product?
@ you are missing the point it doesn’t matter if it “isn’t” important it still needs to be discussed creators deserve to make content on whatever they want anyway and 2. It makes sense to make content on the biggest news, who really gives af if you can’t afford it, it’s just content
@ No one said anything about affording it, the product literally isn’t available to the public because the “influencers” got more then 50% of the stock. This content is worthless because no one got the cards.
@ once again your point doesn’t really matter even if you can’t get it, it still newsworthy and the biggest news in the space it’s funny how obsessed you are with this idea that content creators are only allowed to make content based on such limitations? Like who cares if it’s unavailable it’s still news, it’s important news and also we know nvidia is just doing this as a soft launch before they take another 2 months to do an actual release
Holy crap, the size of that card...pretty soon we're going to have video cards the size of a case. No, seriously, it's as big as that radiator behind it!
There's plenty of reasons not to buy a 5090, but AFAIK this is back to the known PCIe issues and setting the lane manually to PCIe4 in BIOS fixes it. I don't think cards are being bricked.
Oh these reports seem to be specifically 5090D and specifically in China, we dont have any of those so I cant comment. So far on the 3 5090s Ive been able to test, new drivers havent caused any issues for us. Will be watching.
@@Jayztwocentswccftech posted an article about it but I think they’re misusing the word “brick”. Random black screens and device not found in device manager or bios. Switching the pcie slot to 4.0 if you’re using a riser in bios isn’t working for some now too. Think Paul’s solution was rolling back to some old drivers recommended for the 4090 after a DDU. New drivers are booty it seems.
@Jayztwocents thus far I've seen 3 US reports on cards having issues..what's making it convenient is the sheer level of difficulty to get your hands on one, perhaps that was done on purpose..needless to say you just saved me $2000
Jay you have mentioned twice now about DDU and unplugging the ethernet cable to prevent windows from installing Nvidia driver, but you don't need to pull out the ethernet cable just go into options in DDU and at the very bottom you can select "prevent windows from installing driver" !!! I've always done it this way and it's never installed the driver.
@@IcecalGamer Yes, he must be, because you can also just hold down left shift when you restart your computer to get to the options for safe mode, but that woudl be complicated for alot of people.
Could it be a protection behavior from the card? Same thing happened to me with a slightly unstable gpu curve, where the software would stop working without the pc crashing but I would have my clock locked to 300mhz until restart
Why not test without the software running? Did you confirm in GPUZ that it wasn't applying the overclock? Was there a perfcap reason? Why is temp target all the way down? Have you tried reinstalling firestorm? Have you tried GPU tweak? So many questions!
Windows 10 still has safe mode. Gotta hold shift while clicking Restart and it will give you the options. If they removed this from Windows 11, that's fucking crazy. Another reason why I haven't updated yet until they force us. Also, the nvidia app is not bad. You can also try to overclock using that instead of zotac firestorm.
This is the kind of thing that makes me appreciate consoles even more. I already have to troubleshoot for a living. When I get home, my entertainment better just work.
If you just run them out of the box they are fine, when these influencers start trying to push them to their absolute max, they break, they’re just asking for it…no point in doing it
@@jaredchampagne2752 Not nowadays, bad drivers/ bad optimization can be the end all. Heck, Windows updates have caused me enough problems with gaming performance. Windows telemetry has too much spying going on. Making games run less efficiently and causing crashes sometimes.
I wonder if the PCIe spec has anything to do with it. Nvidia cards apparently default to PCIe 1.1 to save on power until they need to spin up, but Hardware Canucks and a smaller techtuber named Devyn Johnston noted their 5000 cards staying stuck in 1.1 and they had to manually force version 3.0 or 4.0 x16 in the BIOS in order to get them to work. IIRC GN also made mention of some buggy behavior from their 5090 owing to the FE card basically having a built-in riser card. Another user on the Nvidia subreddit noted similar symptoms on their 4090, and I managed to track down a similar TPU thread where they resolved the issue by said BIOS adjustment. May be the issue, may not. Food for thought.
This is such a bad and broke take, 1 there’s zero flaunting 2 even if there was it doesn’t matter because the news is on how bad these cards are so why are u bitching? 3 it doesn’t matter if he paid or not it’s just news dude 🤦🏽
I think I can understand how Jay feels, but, even if it is the actual software causing problems, it is very unfair to call Zotac's dev team bad. These are issues that are bound to happen with a product that just launched last week. If you truly have worked anywhere close to Software Development and worked with NVIDIA before then you should know the position and pressure that is on the devs. At the very least you owe them the benefit of the doubt because you did not fully rule out that it was a bug with the software.
Small tip =) 9:28 - Winaero tweaker can add an option to the context menu (when you right click the desktop) to boot directly into safe mode (with options). There are other options as well but this was just an example.
As an Electronics Design Engineer of 40 years I'm conflicted on why you posted this video. Its basically a card from a pre-production validation batch. The whole point of that step is to find issues in order to fix them for production. The best thing you could have done is direct your thoughts and comments back to the Manufacturer versus making a video calling things a hot mess, which lets be real is just click bait. I usually like what you do, but this time, I dunno JayZ. That said if Zotac genuinely sent you that card for a 'review' knowing full well it could have pre-production H/W or F/W warts then thats a really dumb mistake on their part. It makes zero sense to have actual pre-production engineering models ever used for consumer reviews as they inevitably can still have some pretty significant failure potentials even at that stage. So no duh it has issues :) As a consumer I wouldn't judge Zotac or the released product based on this video. This is literally every complex product that been through a compressed design cycle at this design stage.
It is a review card using retail bios, it's just not a retail card. It's not that uncommon for reviewers, he's not beta testing for Zotac. Part of the issue is AIBs were given very little time with the bios from Nvidia prior to launch, which is partly why MSI delayed their launch. We don't really know what's happening here but if it has anything to do with Zotac it's likely the software which has always been janky but based on his description I'm doubting that's the issue.
I'm actually kinda glad they didn't have what I want for my build on first wave, hopefully by the time an all white aio 5090 exists they'll have all this sorted out
Someone in marketing lied to Jay to make him feel better. It's not an engineering sample. It was one pulled right off the assembly lines that would have went straight into a production box and onto shelves. They don't give marketing departments engineering samples to give to youtubers.
I love that you have quadrupled down on Heaven. I don't know why Steve hates it so much; it's one of the most iconic benchmarks ever and at has reached nostalgic status.
I had an absolute blast last night with my 5090. We played so many VR titles and more, finished up the night with a great dinner… then I woke up from the dream.
Buying a GPU used to be fun. Now its a nightmare.
@@DefiantAML and you have to sell your car to afford it. For the cost of a 5090 you could've made an amazing system a few years ago.
@@DefiantAMLbuying a GPU hasnt been fun since at least 2018
@@kingeryck1 still can, you just won't be able to play the unoptimized UE5 dumpster fires at ultra settings, but that's ok, a lot of them look terrible at any setting
Hahahaahah this is epic! Made my day
My 5090 never crashes because it hasn’t been born yet
Yea, I'm still waiting for Nvidia to release the card. Doesn't seem to have happened yet.
Hahaha you're a comical genius.. had to say it from shark tale. Lol
Mine too!
05:05 Because Jay Broke It!, You went for a record not an all day over-clock...User Error.
AND: Thankyou Jay now we know the general Zotac 5090 silicon limit. Peace ☮☮🤔
My 5090 crashed. Damn UPS driver.
I’m sure both people who were able to get a 5090 will appreciate this.
nah those ppl are selling them for 200% markup, the ppl who buy scalped ones and can't get refunds will reluctantly appreciate this
@@enbydeadly 😭🤣😅okay, okay, I'm gonna say it,...
Good luck with that 😆
My friend has his being delivered by best buy tomorrow. And my other friend got his 5080 today.
Who’s both? Not me lol scapler listing on my market place in my area said I got a notification he sold it for over $3k someone was desperate enough to buy it for $3k or more!!!!
@@jshennessy pathetic... imagine buying a scalped gpu when it launches...
I've only seen the 5090 on TH-cam and never in stores.
welcome to everyones eyeball experience
@@AngryChineseWoman send me one
Because it just came out and the only store that carries the 5090 is Micro Center lol
@@windowwasherfpv3485 we don't have Micro Center in the EU
I think 90% of stock went to “reviewers” 🙄
Jensen didn't lie during announcement, the 4090 was indeed a great investment LOL
For few more years. If 60`s would be like that as well...4090 may become new 1080ti.
True, it’s good for the people who wants to upgrade from 30 series
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907does your 4090 have coil whine?
i dont know avout that investment.. i had sevetal 4090's that burned, fires happened, and just simple doa or just dies randomly.. a lot of money went into the 4090's either off the shelf and prebuilts.
@@av1155G Mine does. I don't think I have ever had a modern gpu NOT have some form of coil whine.
I wish the 5090s out there were actually used to spot any issues with them. Sadly, almost all of them are sitting at a scalpers' garage somewhere.
Not true at all, don't be ignorant. They're being sold, not sitting there. The majority of the GPU's are sold to gamers, scalpers are a large but still minority percentage compared to gamers lining up to buy when stock alerts hit.
The issue is a terribly low supply. Not "scalpers". Scalpers only show up when there's incredibly low supply to exploit the market condition of extreme scarcity. If there were NO scalpers, you probably still would not have a GPU as all the other gamers would've bought it in seconds and sold out just as quick.
If so many scalpers had the GPU'S like you claim, than the price per GPU would crash to retail price and there would be zero incentive to scalp since they couldn't be sold.
@DrDoinks I didn't mean for my comment to come off as ignoring the actual shortage if the cards. In hindsight, I should have put that the low stock that's available is mostly sitting in the hands of scalpers. I get why you still think I'm ignorant and I believe both things are true.
@@DrDoinksa lot of words to say nothing
@@ThePoushal Yeah, except you've just said nothing to counter my point. But you won't do that, because you're just butthurt but don't have any facts behind why you are
All 260 of them.
Step 1) design a new power connector
Step 2) have horrendous problems with said power connector and release a revision
Step 3) release new cards that exceed the specifications that you, yourself, set
Step 4) $$$
Pretty good sumarry
I think it's more the fault of AIB partners pushing harder than NVIDIA FE cards.
@@N3v3r_S3ttl3 yes. people who design the software are indeed the over clockers and as such push it with variable software and Motherboard bios/ Its only when realize this that you wait before you buy and let everyone else beta test that shit.
@@N3v3r_S3ttl3 which wouldnt be an issue if nvidia didnt push 575 watts through a 600 watts rated cable without account for transient spikes. it is a bad idea and problems will continue until they go back to 8 pin power.
I'm pretty sure Nvidia didn't design the power connector...
Nvidia doing a trial run of 5090, fuck it, we will do it live.
"STOP THE HAMMERING" 😂
Heres an even better idea: how about, we forget this generation of card exists??? :D the more we skip, the more we save!
But where will these channels get their *"***CONTENT*"***
We, or you?
I would've bought a 5090 given the opportunity since launch.... but honestly I think I'm good by now. We wait for a 5080 ti to "save" money
@@Methos_ 5080 Ti for Valorant & Rainbow Six
With no high tier 4000 series available and with AMDs top tier GPUs being sold out too, theres no other options out there rn. So everyone looking for a mid-high tier gpu are out of luck till the 9070 releases or 5000 series actually hits retailers
Guess getting the 7900 xtx recently wasn’t such a bad idea. At least it’s functional….
I have loved mine. It is a MONSTER in pure raster performance.
Yeah, I’m really glad I got the XT version for like $200 off
Picked up a Merc 310 xtx with a 2 year warranty for only 950😂
Got mine for 700 usd. I'm very happy with it
mine showed up yesterday. only paid $400. now i get to turn around and sell my 6900xt for between $500-$550. admittedly though I got lucky. it was an untested card from ebay being sold as "for parts" if i remember correctly. only thing wrong with it is a cracked fan (none of the blades were effected) and the cooler on the end furthest from the connections is bent a bit. all the warranty stickers are still in place. only thing i had to do was bend the mounting bracket back in place a bit.
Good thing noone actually sells it huh
They do if you wanna pay that fee😂
I didn't have an issue getting a 5090/9800x3d prebuilt from Origin.
@@RAM_C5The markups on prebuilts is almost as much as the scalpers. Nothing against prebuilts, but that’s why people who want to upgrade an existing machine don’t buy them.
@NOISYBOY0706 I comped everything afterwords and markup was close to 300$. Shipping was free also....
I'm sure I could wait however many months to hopefully get lucky and get a 9800X3D or 5090, but I'll have mine later this month - fully tested and no headaches for an extra 300.
@@RAM_C5 dont buy origin stuff.
4.5k CAD GPU with bricking issue.... very nice marketing from Nvidia.
nvidia wants to be apple but this proves once again that they never will be. but consumers need to stop paying for this broken junk for 2k..
@@iHadWaterForDinner Well they ARE the apple. All the work is done on nvidia cards, and best everyone has to offer is emulation of CUDA (the thing that made nvidia a monopoly just as professional editing software made apple a monopoly when they were still using intel CPU`s).
Ill definitely be adding the instore replacement warranty for this one
this has nothing to do with nvidia lol. if you watched the video he said the founder's card are fine and works.
@@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184 haters gonna hate, and anything that fits their agenda is an argument, regardless how ridiculous
There’s Bigfoot and 5090’s, what’s the difference?
You have more chance of seeing Bigfoot!
As someone who lives in Californian-adjacent conditions (East Coast Australia) I cannot imagine not only having a 575w GPU, but then over clocking it and running it during the summer. My 4090 already turns my study into a swampy biome at 440w, let alone this monstrosity.
my 7900xtx in sa is hot enoguh and thats bios capped at 550w LOL
Occasionally I forget the OC bios is on, and cook myself in my harry potter cave, sim racing under the stairs at 550w. I think with an OC 5090 in there the carpet on the stairs would be bubbling
TBF regardless if your system is pulling 400W or 600W, after a few hours in a closed room with minimal airflow it's going to get rough in the summer either way.
what aussie says 'east coast au'
Heard that Nvidia is burning their 5090 with their drivers - nice tactics, scarce GPUs are gonna be even more scarce
Saw that also while i was in work and i must a bit laugh cuz bruhh that expensive gpus Like 5090 and right after driver instal gpu goes into móde o dont exist anymore so yeah funny shit so far but we beard just about two burned psus and just one new 13 pin burned out so i guess we have to prepare for some shit coming
@@mirainikki6665 not sure if I should even DDU and install mine now or just throw it on there with my current drivers… or just wait entirely.
A 5090 has far less power density than a 5080, if any of them are going to pop it's going to be the 80 series
yeah theres alot of freezes and crashes for me with my 5090, the multi frame gen is alot better than i thought it would be
@@hismena1276 on the latest drivers ?
Seems like most RTX 5090's in existence right now are in the hands of TH-camrs and tech influencers, not stores or actual customers
Thank god for that, so no real people have to deal with this piece of overpriced garbage.
Well, in Latvia you can buy 5080 for a 1620-1900 Euro.
@@TheOnlyToblin so you say youtubers are no real people?? Weird..😄
@@groenevinger3893 should say not consumers. pretty funny nvidia does not want consumers to spend earth currency on these cards
The fast and furious edit 😂
7:43
That edit is flipping EPIC! Give this man a raise 😂🤣
The more and more I see 600W+ on these cards the more I realize EVGA was right in putting 2 of them of the 3090TI
They had 2 on the planned 4090 that never got released.
@@DoomGuy9001-MK4 EVGA pulled out and didnt make a new baby. SMART SMART SMART.
Wouldn't capping the wattage to 600 watts result in only a 2-3 fps loss?
9:28 Umm, no they haven't? Run msconfig, go to the Boot tab and click Safe Boot. Yes, they should still have a hotkey to do it pre-boot, but the ability to reboot in Safe Mode has most certainly not been removed.
hold shift while restarting.
I had to double check this myself. I was wondering if they removed it in a recent Windows update or something.
Or you can go into the recovery option in settings/system/recovery/advance startup.
Yeah Jay says some wild things sometimes. You can also still just use the cmd prompt to get to the advanced boot options using, "SHUTDOWN /R /O".
Use "SHUTDOWN /?" to see descriptions of all the available flags.
The cmd prompt option to access advanced startup options is still available as well: SHUTDOWN /R /O
My 5090 caught fire the second I turned my PC on. I guess it's what happens when you plug a 12VHPWR cable to a piece of paper.
hopefully ebay gets you your money back off them A4 scalpers!!!
@ I drew it myself, but I had a hard time finding crayons that had the right colors and tasted good
@@sergentboucherieyou must be a marine if you eat crayons
I'm trying to understand.... So the card was overclocked and boosted well above it's limits, starts having problems afterwards, and this comment section is like "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'D RELEASE SUCH TRASH." lol Like realistically the slight performance gain for the price is a big enough issue, but it's a bit disingenuous to be upset over it crashing after boosting it way beyond where it's supposed to go.
Pro tip jay in the setting of DDU There is a option you can enable for it to block windows update from installing gpu drivers
lol.... he knows this. i think he actually has a video on that
Possibly, but idk because why unplug ethernet, etc, when you just hit a check mark box instead
He's not firing on all cylinders today... he even said they removed the ability to get into safe mode.
My 5090 has had 0 problems but maybe it will once it gets manufactured.
Stock and price issues aside. This generation is beyond bad.
Idk about bad. But an underwhelming disappointment...yes.
@@nengyang1895its only good for 4k because of multi frame generation but thats about it
Mismanaged launch and mismanaged software releases. I would wait till like the middle of the year or longer before buying a new 5090 card. Just wait and let everyone else be the "beta" tester.
its borderline iphone standards
@@johnniewalker33that’s my plan dude. I got a 7900xtx for a new build I’m building tomorrow gonna wait until Black Friday at the end of the year to get one…
Between the over inflated prices, the shortages, the power demands and gargantuan sizes....This is all getting too stupid to upgrade a video card. Fuck this. Praying for the day integrated graphics on processors get good enough to leave this nonsense in the bins of history
Integrated will never be better than a separate card. Agreed about the price, power and availability being ridiculous though.
They can already give you performance of entry level GPU (Ryzen 8000G`s). Something like a 3050.
@pacmon5285 idk man amd seems to be taking a liking to that route, one of their new apus can beat out a 4070
and the hardware faults and power delivery spec frying everything and and and, i went amd and intel, no stockouts LOL
'Strix Halo' APU
16 cores, 32 threads of Zen 5+
40 CUs of RDNA 3.5 GPU
120w TDP.
Not sure it can go on AM5 but a mini-pc with it would be a start.
2000$+ and you still get bad software? Interesting
2?right now,you can buy 5090,for over 4k maybe,maybe if you lucky,and have right connections with people
Most AIB software has and will likely always be crap or run unnecessary processes in the background. Afterburner is great because MSI didn't create it.
EVGA was the best one next to Afterburner... every launch I miss them more and more but man did they get out at the right time.
@@JJFX- You'd think nvidia would have their own OC software like amd has built into their driver by now instead of relying on one dev from russia or EVGA who left the industry.
@@WayStedYou Well the new Nvidia app supposedly started integrating those features but I have no interest in finding out.
All of these programs are just a UI that sets parameters through Nvidia's API. I even made a batch file interface awhile back for OCing that could quickly apply presets by passing parameters thru old programs like nvoclock and nvidiaInspector. You could even adjust the power limit and do basic monitoring straight from the cmd line thru Nvidia-SMI installed with the driver.
@@WayStedYou Supposedly the new Nvidia App started implementing these features but I have little interest in finding out.
You're lucky that hundred shot of Mhz didn't blow the welds on the intake!
Now, Nick and the mad scientist (Phil) got to rip apart the block... and replace the piston rings you fried.
You need more up-doots 👍
Makes me happy I"m good with my 4090 for a couple more years.
Yeah you are really okay with that GPU for even 4 years at this point
@@walalon8719 I know. People upgrading every generaiton when they don't even need to are so weird.
@JamieReynolds89 i thought about it. On paper the 5090 should be far superior but it really just seems like a 4090 that they shoved an extra 125 watts into.
@ My upgrades tend to center around that I play in 4k and in VR. But my 4090 is running both pretty well so until something happens that forces me to upgrade I'd rather buy new flight sim gear lol
@kendil22 ya thats why i upgraded from the 3080ti(which is basically the 3090) to the 4090 too; vr.
The NVidia App can OC cards now too (in the System Area)
*I loved the OG "The Fast and the Furious" NOS scene!!* 😆
You used to pay for quality; now you pay for being first.
Well about that...RTX Titan/2080Ti and buyers regret.
Pay to win: Hardware edition.
@@garystinten9339 Nah, people with 5090's still get wasted by me in CS:GO, they just lose at 800 FPS now.
@@MuahMan They probably didn't have a good gaming chair then
@@MuahMan that would be an awesome video.. comparisons between 4090 and 5090 in cs: go or whatever is the flavour of the week.
I would like to thank all the early adopters for beta testing the first run of 5090s.
9:40 hold the shift key and click restart. Continue to hold shift until the troubleshooting boot menu shows up. It’s in the advanced menu.
That is so long though
@deathdrop dead...
5090 Buyers are the losers & not the winners? Thousands of dollars & it doesnt run correctly? Oh my....
man he literally said at begining its a late enginering sample, not a card for customers ,,who knows what they were doing on that card
@@AiVirtualBot He also cranked it well above it's power level capacity. It's like people didn't even watch the video.
Windows 11 didn't remove boot to safe mode. When pressing restart on the start menu hold shift and keep holding it while windows 11 is rebooting you will get the start options as usual. Windows 11 acts odd and instead of going to the start options like windows 10 it will reboot and then give you the start options as long as you keep shift down where you can select going into safe mode which is now called start options in windows 11.
In DDU go into settings and at the bottom of the options you can clock a box to stop windows from downloading new GPU drivers.
You know what else is a hot mess ? My bank account
To be messy, a room needs to have something in it.
Heyy do we have the same bank account?
Fabs dont have different processes for the 5090 and 5070 or amd/intel clocked at one speed vs another with the same die layout; the difference is just how perfect the lithography was, and as a result, how high the chip can be clocked and perform reliably. there is obviously some variability in the process, and it will obviously matter somewhere. thats often only at the limits, like when overclocking, but its why results vary and OC really is something of an art. a new car is practically silent. after 10 years of use, or 1000 track miles, it wont be as silent. still quiet but relative before, noisier.
Theres a new AB beta (5) that was released a week ago for the 50 series on guru. You downloaded the old one.
Afterburner works fine with my Zotac 5080 OC
Makes me wonder what the best card actually is these days since it seems like the new ones are worse than the old ones.
4090is th3 best card rn
That's why I ain't selling my white 4090 card 😂
4090, without a doubt, when you overclock even a FE model the 5090 then only has about 20-25% over it.
depends on how you determine the best. if you mean just straight performance the 4090 will win, but if you want price to performance the 7900xtx is going to win every time rn. especially if you can get a good deal on one which is completely possible
7900XTX $839 on New Egg.
Constructive criticism:
Try to repro this problem on a separate test bench. Windows seems to be very easy to corrupt lately, which causes tons of GPU instability, if the driver crashes. I ran into this a lot with a recent build. A fresh install of Windows can seriously make all the difference if some core windows components that the drivers rely on have been corrupted.
What’s a 5090? All the stories about them are like stories about unicorns and griffins and pixies.
1) Set the card to run at PCIE Gen 4
2) Look at the card and check any damage along the PCIE connector.
3) Check thermal paste and pads
Supposedly MSI Afterburner 4.6.6 Beta 5 Build 16555 has 50 series support as of yesterday.
I can verify this, I am running personally to overclock my Palit GameRock 5080
OC my 5080 with it. It is still glitchy and has weird issues where it doesnt say that it’s saved the OC but does and has the slider at 0.
This happens to people who run on PCIE 4.0 mobos over time if they dont manually select 4.0 in the BIOS. Ive heard of many people running into random performance drops after time and this fixing it.
Also, id get rid of the zotac software. Redditors say its broken.
You can use nvidia software if afterburner eont work.
This problem is not PCIe related in my expierience, i ran my board locked in Gen4 from the start. It still happened to me with Afterburner and the Palit Thundermaster. My solution so far is to not touch any voltage control in any software since the nvidia driver seems to be the issue. After touching the voltage, as soon as the driver restarts from a crash during an OC attempt or a system reboot, the frequency goes bananas and locks at a pretty low value, for me it was 1240mhz. with a +400mhz OC it would be locked at 1640mhz.
I think one of the biggest "flops", is them not coming up with some more powerfull cable solution for such high TDP , and leave some room for overclocking etc .
That's why Austral card is a nonsense for 5090 😆
there was a 4090 hof with two connectors i think evga also had twin 12vhpwr connectors
@@nullvoid3990 Yeah i remeber that one, but then people would need PSU with x2 12vhpwr connectors too . Myb just keep x1 12vhpwr, and add x1 or x2 8pin even tho x1 would be fine, everyone has a psu with extra x2 or x3 8 pins, while having 12vhpwr connected . With my MSI 1000W for x3 8 pin gpu for example, you use this cable that goes into 12vhpwr connector in psu, but split into x2 8pins at the end, and you add x1 8pin , and thats whats recommended by MSI for x3 8pin gpus .Im not sure whats the rating for that 12vhpwr cable that they include that splits into x2 8pins, but regular 8pin is usually around 175w+, and you have an extra 50/60 from pcie on mbo . So x1 12vhpwr , x1 8pin - 600w+175w+60w ( pcie slot ) = 735w , with a possible chance of another 175w, if they were to add x2 8pins .
The title really has nothing to do with the video...(If you get these problems on a customer card then ok, but on a sample, you could just be unlucky)
zotac has been and always will be the lowest quality cheapest trash. think of them as the Chrysler/Dodge/Stellantis of GPU's
lol the 5090 sure is the size of a 300
Correction to the middle of the video. Windows has NOT removed the option to reboot into safe mode. You hold shift while you click restart and it'll boot into and advanced option menu from which you can boot into safe mode.
Jay's overclocking strategy is wild. Benchmark is running: let's just slide this ALL THE WAY UP. No F's were given, and finding out was inevitable.
Sliders have been basically placebo for several generations. You can't damage a card by maxing out software sliders. Cards are locked both by firmware and electrically
@Ktmzqw they have protections, but they definitely can allow an imperfect chip to get into unstable ranges, and they have software fuses that prevent repeat abuse until you reset them
I found this odd too. could have swore there was a time he'd never do this just because it can mess up the card. but maybe something changed that i'm unaware of.
I usually run Firestrike windowed and chicken clock it first to find where it's likely to crash, then i'll switch to smaller clock and voltage increments to get the sweet spot. I think the first card I OC'ed didn't give a shit and took me 3 hours to slowly walk the clock up. Never again 😅
@@jamestaylor9887It doesn't mess up anything other than the benchmark when it crashes and raising the voltage to maximum basically does nothing when the card is already power limited.
How can rule out the engineering sample card as the issue? Watch all the way through and havent seen how you have ruled it out
ATTENTION JAY: Maybe not just with the 5090! I have a 4090 Zotac and just yesterday I was in a rally and a few other games noticed that my FPS went from 90 to 45 FPS. Thought it might have been a issue with the FPS counter but you have confirmed that it most likey isn't.
Please post a follow up later on down the line.
The software is not an issue! 50 series cards are built on shitty 50 amps drmoses. That shit may short or burn a hole in pcb. The increased power consumption and no boost could be caused by failed drmos as they are fed from 12V psu line. Core is not receiveng full power but shorted component will pull more current from powersupply. Gaming on it is not a good choice. Open it up and measure resistance on 12V shunts if it is close to short it is fried!
On a $2000+ GPU, I'm glad we have all these test mules out there. Having the privilege of being an early adopter of new tech is not always a good thing.
Is you see that card at 2K+ in ANY store, you're living in a different time-line.
That's a 4K card
I'm having the same issues with my 5080 Zotac. I isolated the issue to drivers for my onboard 9800X3D video drivers. I disabled the integrated graphics and problems went away.
Thanks for the comment and letting people know your experience. I've yet to bump into this issue but knowing this might just help.
i didn't even realize it had integrated graphics. i feel like thats new. usually they don't add integrated to the X version of their cpus
Going to give this a go thought I’d already disabled it. I have msi gaming trio 5080 and just keeps dropping the over clock
@@jamestaylor9887started with 7000 chips, 2 or 3 CU's on the IO Die. Thats why we now have 7500F meaning no on board graphics ✌️
How do you disable the integrated drivers?
Thanks for making me look smart for running a 7900xt!
11:40 veery helpful comment. i had no clue that could happen
lol … afterburner just got an update for 5090 cards
For anyone following this that has wireless:
Instead of quickly trying to disconnect, go into your settings (prior to safe mode reboot) and “forget” any networks you could connect to.
Better, use the DDU setting that disables Windows auto GPU driver install when uninstalling the old one.
YES
I don't think this issue is Firestorm specifically, but any of these OC software (including Afterburner) that have voltage monitoring and control enabled. There has been a huge problem of 5080s (from all vendors) getting stuck at 1900MHz and people could not consistently get it boosting again. The fact you crashed and then started to not boost properly as soon as you touched the voltage makes me think it's the same issue for 5090s. It's just not as widely reported because there are significantly more 5080s out there.
But recently someone figured out that it was related to the voltage settings. MSI Afterburner has 3 voltage related settings, and all 3 need to be disabled to fix this. These users would get the same problem with other software like Firestorm as well, but I'm not sure if Firestorm has settings to disable voltage monitoring and control.
Also, in order to "wake up" the card these people also had to switch between quiet and OC bios once or twice and also reboot.
So anyone having trouble with their 50 series not boosting properly should disable voltage monitoring and control settings in their OC software and see if it helps. And if your card has dual bios, that might get it out of its funk.
p.s. Afterburner 4.6.6 beta 5 was just released and has 50 series support
No need to disable voltage monitoring. Voltage control option is the only thing that needs to be off.
MSI Afterburner 4.6.6 Beta 5 Build is out, supposed to support 5000 series
It doesnt add anything specific for 50 series with regards to GPU support. MSI still wont launch on this card.
Very unusual. Build 5 worked for me. Build 3 was causing the issue you had Jay. MSI afterburner would never start. MSI trio oc 5090
@@Lional50msi afterburner is trash anyway
@@AquaFasami definitely wouldn’t say that. It does the job and pretty much everyone in the community uses it. What would you say is better?
@@Lional50 Wait till Chinese New Year celebrations are over and hopefully they fix this issue.
zotac 5090 -- "DANGER TO MANIFOLD!!" (in keeping with your car parlance)
* watches the rest of the video *
"too soon, junior".
Jay, try installing the Nvidia App and use the built in overclocking utility to see if THAT works. I don't think you can manually increase clock speeds, but you can at least increase power and voltage sliders to see if you're still crashing. Can also try the Auto tuner built into the App.
hadn't used their new software before. Played with a pals 3060, we tried the auto tuner, took 40 mins to find an unstable OC. Did give us a good idea of where the limits were if he tries Afterburner though. They are getting there at least, Adrenalin is still miles better...for now.
@@fracturedlife1393 as a 7900xtx owner after a 3070ti...
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about, adrenalin is absolute trash.
that shit can't even autoupdate properly.
should've ran without the OC software anyway, to see if it made any difference. Because then, you're troubleshooting the software to verify if the software is causing the issue
No idea why influencers are giving advice and reviewing products that consumers will never be able to buy…infuriating. It’s like mocking us.
Well no that’s a terrible way of thinking about this, these are tech channels, whats the biggest news and events in tech need videos made about then, especially since it’s spreading awareness of this garbage
@ When it comes at the expense of consumers not being able to get them…they aren’t important. Hundreds and hundreds of “influencers” got the product, more then was available to the public. What’s the point of the product?
@ you are missing the point it doesn’t matter if it “isn’t” important it still needs to be discussed creators deserve to make content on whatever they want anyway and 2. It makes sense to make content on the biggest news, who really gives af if you can’t afford it, it’s just content
@ No one said anything about affording it, the product literally isn’t available to the public because the “influencers” got more then 50% of the stock. This content is worthless because no one got the cards.
@ once again your point doesn’t really matter even if you can’t get it, it still newsworthy and the biggest news in the space it’s funny how obsessed you are with this idea that content creators are only allowed to make content based on such limitations? Like who cares if it’s unavailable it’s still news, it’s important news and also we know nvidia is just doing this as a soft launch before they take another 2 months to do an actual release
Holy crap, the size of that card...pretty soon we're going to have video cards the size of a case.
No, seriously, it's as big as that radiator behind it!
And Jay everyone is watching you..lets go ahead and talk about it..5090s bricking left and right... Nvidia not getting a single freaking penny from me
Bricking? I have been head down testing older cards getting ready for next round of launch. Can you ellaborate?
There's plenty of reasons not to buy a 5090, but AFAIK this is back to the known PCIe issues and setting the lane manually to PCIe4 in BIOS fixes it. I don't think cards are being bricked.
Oh these reports seem to be specifically 5090D and specifically in China, we dont have any of those so I cant comment. So far on the 3 5090s Ive been able to test, new drivers havent caused any issues for us. Will be watching.
@@Jayztwocentswccftech posted an article about it but I think they’re misusing the word “brick”. Random black screens and device not found in device manager or bios. Switching the pcie slot to 4.0 if you’re using a riser in bios isn’t working for some now too. Think Paul’s solution was rolling back to some old drivers recommended for the 4090 after a DDU.
New drivers are booty it seems.
@Jayztwocents thus far I've seen 3 US reports on cards having issues..what's making it convenient is the sheer level of difficulty to get your hands on one, perhaps that was done on purpose..needless to say you just saved me $2000
Looks like there's a new beta of Afterburner! 4.6.6 (beta5) Feb 2025
Zotac isn’t exactly known for reliability.
Jay you have mentioned twice now about DDU and unplugging the ethernet cable to prevent windows from installing Nvidia driver, but you don't need to pull out the ethernet cable just go into options in DDU and at the very bottom you can select "prevent windows from installing driver" !!! I've always done it this way and it's never installed the driver.
I think Jay is saying that because he has a WIDE audience.
The simpler (more physical) steps, the better for general audience.
@@IcecalGamer Yes, he must be, because you can also just hold down left shift when you restart your computer to get to the options for safe mode, but that woudl be complicated for alot of people.
Did you try using this card with stock settings without the software installed?
How did that run?
Could it be a protection behavior from the card? Same thing happened to me with a slightly unstable gpu curve, where the software would stop working without the pc crashing but I would have my clock locked to 300mhz until restart
Why not test without the software running? Did you confirm in GPUZ that it wasn't applying the overclock? Was there a perfcap reason? Why is temp target all the way down? Have you tried reinstalling firestorm? Have you tried GPU tweak? So many questions!
11:00 disable auto install drivers
Im glad the 5090s are frying, all the people who paid scalpers 6000+ will really feel it now 🤭
7:47 - The 5090 granny shifting, not double-clutching like it should
Windows 10 still has safe mode. Gotta hold shift while clicking Restart and it will give you the options. If they removed this from Windows 11, that's fucking crazy. Another reason why I haven't updated yet until they force us. Also, the nvidia app is not bad. You can also try to overclock using that instead of zotac firestorm.
When does 11 definitely have safe mode, booted into it on a friend's computer last week. It is CONVOLUDED to get into
It's not removed and still works the same way in 24H2. Hold shift, click restart, click troubleshoot, then startup options.
Idk, nvidia app is trash, you are better off using good`ol MSI afterburner instead.
There is separate software that can do it. The EasyBCD I use for dual boot does it in addition to other recovery options right at launch.
It's the same for Windows 11
Can everybody in the comments just chill and lay of the salt, wtf is wrong with you all?! Stop hating (No I´m not a 5090 owner, I´m on a 4090)
Jensen laughing his ass off at the fools who got these or tried to get one..
and paid $6-$7k for one 🤣🤣
@@martinmalone6324 Exactly
This will be useful for the one other tech review that has a 5090, but still nice that you posted a fix for them.
There is a Hotfix Driver out today.
Cant trust a hotfix I'd wait for a full update.
3:34 reminds me of the "predator frostcore, predator drivecore" meme from years ago lol
People are seeing this with Afterburner too. Both 5080 and 5090.
On Zotac cards only or all brands? (Have Zotac 5080 on the way.) 😢
3:44 Afterburner Beta (4.6.6) actually just dropped this week with RTX 5000, Ryzen 9000, and Smooth Motion support
This is the kind of thing that makes me appreciate consoles even more. I already have to troubleshoot for a living. When I get home, my entertainment better just work.
If you just run them out of the box they are fine, when these influencers start trying to push them to their absolute max, they break, they’re just asking for it…no point in doing it
Maybe its time to change fields then if troubleshooting isn't fun 🎃
@@jaredchampagne2752 Not nowadays, bad drivers/ bad optimization can be the end all. Heck, Windows updates have caused me enough problems with gaming performance. Windows telemetry has too much spying going on. Making games run less efficiently and causing crashes sometimes.
Consoles suck and if you’re a console gamer why are you here?
I wonder if the PCIe spec has anything to do with it. Nvidia cards apparently default to PCIe 1.1 to save on power until they need to spin up, but Hardware Canucks and a smaller techtuber named Devyn Johnston noted their 5000 cards staying stuck in 1.1 and they had to manually force version 3.0 or 4.0 x16 in the BIOS in order to get them to work. IIRC GN also made mention of some buggy behavior from their 5090 owing to the FE card basically having a built-in riser card. Another user on the Nvidia subreddit noted similar symptoms on their 4090, and I managed to track down a similar TPU thread where they resolved the issue by said BIOS adjustment.
May be the issue, may not. Food for thought.
Thanks for this, will check bios settings for this after building. Helpful info!
Maybe if you actually paid for your GPU’s. People wouldn’t hate on you guys so much. But you all keep flaunting the cards in all our faces.
This is such a bad and broke take, 1 there’s zero flaunting 2 even if there was it doesn’t matter because the news is on how bad these cards are so why are u bitching? 3 it doesn’t matter if he paid or not it’s just news dude 🤦🏽
I think I can understand how Jay feels, but, even if it is the actual software causing problems, it is very unfair to call Zotac's dev team bad. These are issues that are bound to happen with a product that just launched last week. If you truly have worked anywhere close to Software Development and worked with NVIDIA before then you should know the position and pressure that is on the devs. At the very least you owe them the benefit of the doubt because you did not fully rule out that it was a bug with the software.
Small tip =)
9:28 - Winaero tweaker can add an option to the context menu (when you right click the desktop) to boot directly into safe mode (with options).
There are other options as well but this was just an example.
As an Electronics Design Engineer of 40 years I'm conflicted on why you posted this video. Its basically a card from a pre-production validation batch. The whole point of that step is to find issues in order to fix them for production. The best thing you could have done is direct your thoughts and comments back to the Manufacturer versus making a video calling things a hot mess, which lets be real is just click bait. I usually like what you do, but this time, I dunno JayZ. That said if Zotac genuinely sent you that card for a 'review' knowing full well it could have pre-production H/W or F/W warts then thats a really dumb mistake on their part. It makes zero sense to have actual pre-production engineering models ever used for consumer reviews as they inevitably can still have some pretty significant failure potentials even at that stage. So no duh it has issues :) As a consumer I wouldn't judge Zotac or the released product based on this video. This is literally every complex product that been through a compressed design cycle at this design stage.
It is a review card using retail bios, it's just not a retail card. It's not that uncommon for reviewers, he's not beta testing for Zotac. Part of the issue is AIBs were given very little time with the bios from Nvidia prior to launch, which is partly why MSI delayed their launch.
We don't really know what's happening here but if it has anything to do with Zotac it's likely the software which has always been janky but based on his description I'm doubting that's the issue.
Show me a car which will come out from limb mode (safemode) without you shutting car engine off?
limp*
loved the Fast and Furious edits, they were top tier !
I'm actually kinda glad they didn't have what I want for my build on first wave, hopefully by the time an all white aio 5090 exists they'll have all this sorted out
Another oldie but a goodie - pics are starting to emerge of melting cables......
Bro, the fast and the furious meme was amazing!
You guys are doing us a great service on reviewing these damn 5090s.
Someone in marketing lied to Jay to make him feel better. It's not an engineering sample. It was one pulled right off the assembly lines that would have went straight into a production box and onto shelves. They don't give marketing departments engineering samples to give to youtubers.
I love that you have quadrupled down on Heaven. I don't know why Steve hates it so much; it's one of the most iconic benchmarks ever and at has reached nostalgic status.