Stam Audio 76 & Warm Audio 76 FET Compressors - LOOK INTO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ส.ค. 2018
- Today we review the Stam Audio 76 and the Warm Audio 76: two faithful affordable replicas of the legendary FET compressor created by Bill Putnam Senior in 1967.
We run program materials through the units and compare it with an original Universal Audio 1176 Rev. D as well.
We also show you the alternatives available on the market now (the next video). Stay tuned!!
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I’ve really enjoyed your videos, great production values and you’ve set your facility up really well, fun to watch and informative!
one of the best comparing video please keep it up and guide us bcose we dont have these expensive gears but it is so great to listen from ur side .
Awesome comparison, not over complicated, nor over simplified great job
And yes excellent comparison video, one of the best i've seen, i'm subscribing thanks.
Thanks for appreciating our work. Stay tuned for more!!
Great Video! I agree I love the Brightness From the Stam Audio to suit a snare had a habit more texture too
Really well done video! Thank you
Nice comparison, format was awesome.
Thanks Sam!
Best comp of this type video I've seen yet! Best sound for a video. Great job RSP! What I would like to know is what comps you used on what for the theme music at the beginning and end. Awesome sound! Thanks
Thanks for your comment and for appreciating our work. All of those songs have been recorded live in a stone house with a total of 8 tracks input and no compression on the way in. I used different dynamic units on the Mixdown. Shall we maybe do a LOOKINTO that mixing session video?
Yes curious to know which units you used on which instruments on the mixdown. Thanks!
Masterclass in A/B comparison :)
Great review I must say these are really all great sounding compressor. Intended to like the blue strip over all of them but I wouldn’t be mad with any of them.
Thanks Andrew, they are both very useful and beautiful 1176' sounding compressors to have in the studio. Depending on what shade of 1176 sound you need, you could prefer either one. Stay tuned for more!!
Are the UAD 1176 even a close comparison are far off?
Such a great review. Really appreciate it. Was wondering if you had a chance to check out the Black Lion 17 and/or Bluey? Also, do you remember your vocal chain with the vocal track? Sounds really good! Keep up the great work!
Well that was a damned fine professionally produced, well executed, audio demonstration. And I certainly appreciate it. Since I'm looking for a couple of additional, 1176's. To keep my other three UREI 1176's, company, and my racks. 1 revision D. And 2 revision G's. And I unfortunately regret giving up my previous double D.'s.
Since I've ha them and use the real deals. Since 1973. No doubt. Those are both lovely FET limiters. Filled with plenty of character. Though did find the, Universal Audio version. Shockingly, considerably smoother.
Having been a comic Quality Control Manager.. Employed by and/or consulted and directly involved with some of the most legendary American Pro Audio recorder and console ,manufacturers. I know my shit.
My observations are this from this review. And only represent my observations.
The Stam... a giant case. As large as the original I'm sure. And this dinky circuit board. With a very tight packing of parts. And while it might have a toroid, lower noise power transformer. It obviously wasn't low noise enough. To have to have that big shield around it. Meaning they likely had some hum issues. And maybe if you can mount this stuff far enough away from each other? You'll have less hum?
Well that was also supposed to emulate the version A with its FET gain reduction and amplification sections. Yup. It was most definitely ratty sounding. And far more aggressive. And a nice comparison between that and the revision D.
Now as to the Warm 76. Right now I am going to dispel a nasty incorrect rumor. Regarding the method of powering the Warm 76. Where I have read and heard, bad reviews regarding their crappy switching computers style power supply. But if you plainly a look at the video. Of the wall wart power supply. It's not a power supply at all. In that, there is no internal circuitry. It is plainly indicated as a Class B, transformer. With a 240 or 120 volt AC input primary. And a simple, 24 volt, AC output. This, is a simple standard stock, linear, Power Transformer. The rest of the active circuitry that converts the AC to the DC. Are mounted with in the chassis of the limiter. It is not a switching power supply. It more closely resembles the original, standard, stock power supply found in the original.
While Warm did the smart thing by reducing the size of the chassis. It's plain to see they used a larger, circuit board layout. This to me would be the more sensible choice. Because of that. It generally means, wider spacing, of the circuit board traces for lower capacitance.
Now unlike the originals. And from the description of the reviewer. Stepped attenuators? I can assure you these are not stepped attenuators. These are however, attenuators with steps à la, Chinese hi-fi style. Which is a little clocklike gear with a tooth. Mounted on the potentiometer. It's not a step attenuator as in, 144 or so discreetly soldered resistor's on a wafer switch.
All in all the Warm 76 seems to be a great bang for the buck. And that ya really can't build them yourself for much less.
This was something of an abbreviated review. Knowing that there are are numerous, DIY kit versions. Versions by Purple and Klark Technik. And some other permutation offerings. Which were not reviewed here. Where others are similarly priced. So why didn't you contact those companies and ask them for a couple of samples for your review?
I didn't review this particular demonstration in my control room. And I have one of the best in the world. Nope. I was home. I was listening through the 2 x 3" speakers on the LCD TV. And heard an immediate difference between the two examples and the Universal Audio version. Which definitely made me sit up... in bed... and take note. So I then put on a couple of different pairs of headphones and ran the video again. Yup. Same perception. No doubt the two impostors reviewed are good FET limiters. They don't compare to the original. There is definitely a separation of church and state there. So... they might also likely be using other, more available, retrofit, not exactly the same transistors? And there'll also be a factor with the, specialized output transformer. Which I think is largely where the difference lies? They are using similar to but not the same transistors. Therefore they will sound similar but not identical. But I definitely think they're close enough for rock 'n roll and government work. And I need to get three more to get properly Warmed.
Mx. Remy Ann David
Thanks a lot for liking our Review, much appreciated. Feel free to check our video on 1176 style alternatives (posted after this one), which I believe is what you were asking for.
Good job. Excellent review! After listening carefully to the 3 models exposed in the video, I had the pleasure of realizing that I made an excellent deal keeping my KlarKTeknik 76KT screwed in the rack. He will continue on the battlefield. I see that I made the right choice in terms of cost benefit.
Awesome video!!!!!!
I prefer the stam in almost all cases. I have a wa76, but it is very mid-rangy and on the kick, it sounds really more open and powerful on the stam. I've bought the sa76-ADG, so I'll be able to compare soon.
Marc KRAUTH any update?
I agree with what you have to say. Kick is a bit better on the Warm Audio and Snare on the Stam. In my opinion the difference with the two units is noticeable but they both shine in their way. They are great alternatives to the Universal Audio. I felt like the release speed of the Stam was much slower than the other two. Maybe it’s just me.
Overall, a great video to demonstrate the units, very clear and precise! It also teaches a lot about one of the most unused type of compressors.
For the Stam, one must also add around $100 for shipping (to U.S.) Excellent review!
Great review. Hard on the pocket book and rack space though!
Excellent!
excellent comparison. I prefer the stam, like the harmonics and the saturation (of course it is a rev a compared to the d)
Wowww. Stam definitely won. It kind of does a bright high-end thing I don't love in 4:1 ratio, but it has more depth and a fuller low-end too. I wonder if that bright thing is because it's Rev A and the other two are based on Rev D? Not sure.
The thing that I always find with listening to any 1176 clones vs the Originals and the UA's is that the release of the the warm, Stam, and other clones is never fast enough even at the fastest, whereas the originals and UA just has a majic in the quickness and responsiveness of the release that just sounds killer. Anyone know what I mean? @RedStone, do you know of any clones that have release characteristics that are closer to the UA?
UA is a clone and the release time is exactly the same. Same pot and circuit as with any 1176 clone
This was a great comparison. The three actually sound noticeably different despite their similarities, although all of them sound good and would be worthy of space in almost any rack IMO!
I would just get a couple of cheapest ones and in addition one expensive unit just so I can brag a little
@@ramencurry6672 I can't afford that many units! I'm looking into maybe doing a 6-slot 500-series lunchbox with a preamp, compressor, EQ, and have whatever slots leftover, and then if necessary after saving up some more I can just double it up for stereo purposes.
So I've noticed on quite a few pieces of Warm Audio rack units that I've looked into that in TH-cam videos, it's mentioned that they use an external power supply. But when I go to a site like Sweetwater to check them out, and I look at the back panel I see a standard IEC plug. I'm guessing that Warm Audio has changed at least some of their units to use internal power supplies? That's a big plus for me. Not that I particularly hate wall warts, but so many of my other devices already have them and it's annoying to try to keep track of what's what.
great video. A little unfair because the blue stripe has always had more clarity than a black face, but still great video and good to see the products in action.
The Stam seems a bit brighter and has more harmonics, which makes sense on the revision A. Would be cool to hear the difference between a real Rev A. (I know they are expensive)
With time and patience we'll be able to do a Review with an Urei Rev.A/A-B and share it with you. Stay tuned!!
UA 1176 has a lot of dynamic range, less distortion and more transparent in all frequencies. Stam seems to have high noise floor and good harmonics. Warm has less hi end, focused on mids. Great comparison!
please a video on budget compressor and guide us how to get good result from it like how to carefully use mix bus compression .
Stam sounds more open and live. UA smoothest. I want a SA 67 as well, Stam gonna get all my money.
read up on them. i've heard awful things about that company. great products, but you can be waiting an extremely long time for your product, and most people give up and ask for a refund, which also takes forever. lots of people have mentioned that on gearslutz
@@SuperSaiyanScandinavian This is not true. Refund's are processed the same day or next working day. Also, 95% of my clients wait how long is necessary and 5% cancel, so it not true that most people give up. The delays and waiting times are long, yes, but I hand make everything and it takes time, people get nice discounts for waiting and the best quality possible.
Stam sounds terrible.. The Warm was way cleaner
Universal Audio is inevitable here!
It’s there indeed!!
StamAudio is the next generation of all the 1176s. hands down.
yeah the ua 1176 seems it retains alot more of its true sound, especially in the low end.
Stam sounds better than the WA76 in every test. But when the UA1176 was brought in to compare, it blew away the Stam. the quality to price ratio is consistent: WA76 = $700, Stam= $1500, UA 1176 = $2000
UA are $2600
Didn't expect to hear the UA version here, very nice video ! Irrevocably (at least to my ears), the UA is the smoothest of all, and I feel like it's also the fastest in terms of release which makes it really musical, getting away from any "pumpyness".
I was really interested in the WA76, but i think i'll wait a bit more for that 76 comp/limiter vibe :)
Thanks a lot Jim! It’s a hidden gem, feel free to share it.
Stam its amazing
Is this the same as the Stam adf? I started loooing into their stuff but see them selling different devices now where they model more than one unit in one piece of gear. I wonder if that will overall contribute to a different tone that can will not be the same as a unit with simpler circuitry
Hey There, thanks for your comment. The Stam Audio SA76ADF, includes 3 different revisions of the 1176 style compressor, while the SA76 you see in this review is only including the Revision A.
Top end a bit harsh on the stam for some reason, although the WA is a bit boxy i like the fact it stays flat on the high ends, easier to control in the mix, Urei just does the job fine, not as over the top in the pumping but pretty damn clean.
on bass I felt the WA pretty much matched the UA 1176... the Stam had it's own mid-forward sound. They all sound excellent.
I should note that it's clear the stam is a clone of the silver blueface which has a more mid-forward sound anyway so they probably did an excellent job cloning it. I cannot believe how close the WA and the UA sound - even on vocals! wow great job warm audio.
RedStone produtions. Sounds like a minecraft studio :D
I just found the channel. Really great video!
Thanks a lot Richard! Working hard on some really cool stuff for 2020. Stay tuned !!
@@RedStoneProductions I would love to hear a comparison between fapfiilter pro-c compressor and hardware compressor.
9:30 - Vocals
I prefer Stam over UA and from WA
darn, i have to admit the UA version really sounds the best.......i only have the clones.
05:41 for those who want to hear
The Stam wins for me. It sounds so much more natural and it holds it's own much better at extreme settings. The newer ones are even better. The UA one is great, but the Stam is the next best thing if you're put off by the UA's boutique price tag. The Warm's low end sounds a little thin.
Thanks for sharing!
Anyone can say about the wes 1176 ?
Great video. I’ll take the UA please.
Why are the settings all different?
All the settings are matched! The attack and Release settings on the Stam are reversed from the factory...
@@RedStoneProductions I'm aware they're reversed. But the input and outputs are different?
Input and Output are matched carefully with a tone generator: INPUT 30, OUTPUT 24 on all units.
I have to admit I prefer the Stam
I prefer Stam even more than the original UA actually, Rev A wins. I wonder what stam sounds compared to original urei blue stripe
9:42
9:53
10:05
Stam..
Pros: nice harmonics
Cons: noisy.
I'd still go for stam
It's an A revision, it's supposed to be noisy!
9:41 9:53 10:04
ua1176 best
Stam
Anything is better than Warm anything.
Not sure about that actually! They have a solid place in today's market.
i bet that kt-1176 sounds more better.
The 76 A and 76 D is not even remotely the same, this is bound to fail
What part of us explaining the different revisions was not clear to you man?
UA sounds weak