not even a red flag. red flag is a warning sign that someone might be a terrible person. this is just outright predatory and weird. that should be the reason u leave.
If I was in a fight with my husband and he told me to “humble yourself and just have sex with me even though you don’t want to”, that man would not be my husband for much longer.
that's super scary. legit gaslighting and manipulation - i actually feel sorry for her. she was even saying how hard that is for her and he was like "yeah but you have to" essentially
“Bro I barely know you” That fucked me up. You just MARRIED this man, you should know EVERYTHING about him. Wdym you barely know him. Did y’all get married JUST to have sex? That’s insane.
The fact that so many men are perfectly ok with having sex with someone who DOESN'T WANT TO is fucking crazy! If I thought someone was just saying yes to appease me I would immediately be grossed out
Right?!? My boyfriend once told me after the act that he didn't really want to but he felt bad because I "put in a lot of effort" (I put on something sexy in the bathroom, took me 2min max). It made me feel ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE and we had to have a long talk about how he doesn't owe me sex and that I'm not gonna get mad or leave him if he says no sometimes. Can't imagine not caring about your partners feelings...
Her problem isn't that she doesn't like sex, her problem is that he doesn't do any sort of build-up or foreplay with her beforehand, which is really important because it makes sex more intimate and pleasurable for both partners. She's saying "you put no effort into turning me on" and he's completely ignoring her and being like "WhAt if I rEaD a BoOk woULd tHaT hELp"
He accuses her of "ignoring his emotions" when she doesn't want to have sex with him, meanwhile she's upset about the actual fight they were just in. Do you care about HER emotions, sir??? Your horniness and entitlement are not emotions, either.
Yeah he literally is like "I can't believe you ignored my emotions, now could you please ignore your emotions and indulge my entitlement even if you don't feel like it?" What an absolute asshole.
But that kind of thing speaks volumes about how guys in more socially and culturally conservative backgrounds and communities that are more strict on enforcing gender norms are socialized in a way to conflate their emotions and feelings with sexual urges. They are taught not to be emotionally expressive or vulnerable, and those feelings end up manifesting as additional or intensified sexual urges to use sex as a release for it instead. Getting sex from a woman you like or are with is supposed to be the only socially acceptable way for a guy to receive love and feel loved in a relationship without it being "gay" or "unmanly" in such situations where traditional gender norms are strictly enforced.
Yeah, and like when he said, 'humble yourself and have sex with your partner anyway' like maybe hey guy, maybe _you_ should humble _yourself_ and respect that your wife *_doesn't want to have sex_* !
Exactly. That's why she is trying to put so much emphasis on foreplay bc that's the only time she derives pleasure... from anticipation of something that won't happen lol
I feel really sorry for her. It took me a long time to get to that point personally but when I finally did get to that point, I realized I could never go without pleasure like that. I really hate this misinformation that women aren't supposed to climax. It's bulshit. Ninety-nine percent of women are capable of having an orgasm through penetration
I don't even know how you can do something like that, to knowingly keep a relationship going where you know they're not getting the same out of it as you...like literally so gross.
the fact that he said "even if you're upset with me and don't want to have sex with me you should HUMBLE YOURSELF and do it anyway" WHAT? WHAT? EXCUSE ME?
Just hearing him talk during that section set off so many red flags. Like I instinctively felt unsafe and had to remind myself it was a video as weird as it sounds.
I would if she wasn't actively pushing a toxic ideology. I'd feel bad for her because unlike most young women and girls raised in the Evangelical Christianity lifestyle and purity culture she actually knows what she's lost in terms of agency and independence.
@@milhousevanhoutan9235 i feel like you can feel disgusted at her for pushing the ideology but also feel bad for her because she's likely uncomfortable at best
@@the-postal-dude I agree, she's both a victim and a perpetrator of this evangelical patriarchal system, and has essentially been brainwashed to believe that this is the only "right" way to live, even if somewhere in her head she knows it's damaging. I was the same way being raised in the church and left once I was 19. They emotionally manipulate you so much that sinning or leaving the church is equal to eternity in hell, and you start to believe it. So I feel bad for people who are more susceptible to this type of conditioning, but she's also an adult and is responsible for those decisions.
@@the-postal-dude Ultimately the reason I don't feel bad for her is empathy fatigue. I've lived a while now and for as long as I can remember Evangelical Christians have consistently been trying to destroy this country and take the freedoms of everyone else. Despite being delt defeat (skokes trial) after defeat (creationism is not science) after defeat (Intelligent Design is just creationism with extra steps etc.) they are somehow managing to fail upwards and are closer than ever before to succeeding in their goal of creating a theocratic state. They do not truly believe everyone is equal and are hostis humani generis. For heaven's sake, they are proponents of the war crime of forced birth and have managed to remove the the only obstacle from it being the law. As a result of that I can't find it in my heart to forgive or be charitable to them anymore, outside of the children they're brainwashing. That goes double for someone who lived an alternative life and CHOSE to become that. If you'll forgive the dramatic language- It is very clear that in whatever comes next Evangelical Christians will be counted among my enemies. Which is a shame, because all I ever wanted was to live my life and let them live theirs- but they wouldn't leave me the fuck alone.
The more I watch these two, the more I feel sorry for Morgan. She just seems like she's so full of life, and now she's stuck with this stuck-up, boring, inexperienced manchild.
@@naomisoltesz9890 I mean that he has no experience in pleasuring his partner. Perfectly fine to not have sex before marriage, if that's what a person wants, but not really caring if your partner enjoys it is not okay. I mean Nick is right, books won't help there. If he keeps reading books, and not asking Morgan what she likes, it won't matter how much sex they're having. His experience will still amount to zero.
i kinda disagree bc she seems boring af to me, but like a lot of xtian women she probably suppressed her personality to be what she thinks she's supposed to be. I do think its sad that whoever she could have been has been stifled.
I was thinking the same thing, ask her what she enjoys and do it. She wants some foreplay and likely hasn't been given an orgasm by him their entire marriage. Books can't tell you what your partner likes, only they can.
You really get the feeling Paul is clueless and childish, and Morgan is more self-aware, but is suppressing her emotions because she wants to make it work as a good Christian wife. I think she's becoming the Mommy in that relationship, which isn't going to be great for her sex life.
25:16 Genuinely sounds like that part in movies where someone really powerful and vain learns about something the protagonist kept from them. 27:16 too. This video went from pretty sad but funny to _mildly_ scary
That made me uncomfortable as well. My first husband never cared about consent and this was very similar. His sexual needs are apparently more important than her emotional needs, which is BS.
Yeah. Even if she knew he should have been fine with the fact that she wasn't ready for that. Sex is never owed to you no matter how badly you want it, because sex involves another living person with thoughts and feelings, and if they don't want it then you have no right to make them feel bad about that.
My highschool ex used "well men have more wants of the flesh" to coerce me into sexual favors for him, but say that "sex is a sin for a woman, don't be a jezebel" whenever I wanted reciprocation. Purity culture and the gender roles permeated in Christianity is so dangerous. And, since there was no sex ed in my Christian school I had no clue what consent was, and didn't even realize I was being abused until YEARS later, doing SANE training as an RN.
I mean i kinda relate to some of the things she's saying because I'm sex positive asexual which means i don't enjoy sex for myself but i do like to please my partner and enjoy the emotional closeness. However i feel like if you're not asexual maybe you shouldn't feel that way as a woman? lol? Edit: not the end part tho lol just to be clear never have sex if you don't wanna Jesus Christ
holy shit this guy just does not see her as a human being. She is a christian wife first and foremost to him and a person second. That's crazy to see, hope she gets out of this!!
In purity culture that's exactly what its taught. Women are to submit to their husbands as that is the hierarchy. As Jesus/The Lord is the head of the Church the Husband is the Head of the Household, and everyone must respect and be in their place in that hierarchy.
You should check out Morgan's music videos from before she was with Paul. Yeah, she wasn't a virgin when she got married. (Morgan Hawley, night is young)
theres definitely an issue with female pleasure and enjoying sex in christian marriage. my old church did promote the idea that even if you didn't necessarily want to have sex, it was part of your duty as a wife to please your husband, so they didn't get other urges. ergo if they cheat on you its because you didn't have enough sex with them. they also liked to say that everytime you had sex with someone outside of marriage, you lost part of your soul to them? so when you got married you wouldn't have the full magical connection with them. they talked alot about sex for a church..
dude i heard metaphors like your virginity is a bracelet you're giving to your future husband and every act you do with someone that's not him is like taking a bead off the bracelet that shit was unhinged
I used to always hate sex until I got with my current partner. To anyone who also does it to appease their partner-hope is not lost and you’re not broken. It takes healing from past trauma and the right person. My heart aches for this girl
This is extremely relatable for me and I know it is for Morgan. She enjoyed s3x when it was with her past partner.... Paul needs a lot of therapy (I know Morgan does too and needs to get back on her meds but geez Paul literally admitted to coercion)
I had two really bad partners that I slept with. I am still unable to sleep with my current partner because of it, but thankfully they are very understanding about it and never pressure me to do anything. I hope one day I can also heal from those experiences as you have
I was laughing and cringing at first, but then when she kept going on about how she wasn't satisfied or receiving affection outside of the bedroom, I just got kinda sad. A relationship like that sounds awful.
"you ignored my feelings even though you were aware of them." so she's supposed satisfy you and please you, even tho she obviously didn't want to after the argument? are christian wives really supposed to satisfy their husbands even when they don't want to? that's absolutely ridiculous. women aren't objects. you're not entitled to that stuff. you don't just get whatever you want, when you want. your wife's feelings should matter too. she's a person too. god, this video ended up really upsetting me.
@@spoiledsweet362 no, Christian wives are not expected to do that biblically. The Bible says wives are a partner, a complement (she's strong where he's weak and vice versa). Fundamentalist teachings say that women are property and are beneath their husband, including having little value outside marriage and baby making. They twist the Bible to satisfy their greed and narcissism.
@@spoiledsweet362 Yeah apparently it's not good when she ignores his feelings, but she should ignore her own feelings because he feels entitled to sex. Shit's wild.
@@spoiledsweet362 It has nothing to do with the religion, honestly. It's just how he chooses to think. Dude is extremely entitled and acts like the world is his alone. He's just a selfish prick honestly, and it's entirely because of himself. Idk why she's still with him.
@@4m0ris i’m pretty sure most christian men are trained to think that they’re owed s3x from their wives. i’ve heard many christian men speak of their wives as if they’re property. i grew up with very christian grandparents, so i’ve seen how this stuff goes.
to anyone wondering why she kept laughing so much, it’s because she was uncomfortable. women are socialized in a way that discourages loud or big emotions, encourages subservience and politeness, and centers male comfort. having internalized years of feminine socialization, in situations where men who are bigger and/or older than you are making you uncomfortable, your body wants to release that nervous energy, but you can’t yell at him, you can’t run away, and you can’t cry, so you laugh.
him telling her to "humble herself" makes my blood BOIL dude holy shit. he's literally expecting her to cater to his needs only and IGNORING her feelings about how HE upset her. even though he's upset in the video that she's "ignoring" his horniness because HE HURT HER 🙄 i hate christian men who feel entitled to their wife's body just because they are married. i hope she wakes up and realizes she needs to divorce this man child for her own well-being
That video was WILD. Bro fr had a visceral, overwhelming response to not having sex. Also the way he talks about it being "taken away" from him just further drives the idea that their sex life is abhorrently one-sided in his favour. Also the way he gets mad about her knowing he wanted sex is genuinely scary. He's acting like she owed her sex and that she was wrong for not getting it to him. I hope she escapes that marriage ASAP.
yeah i hope she gets out this is genuinely sad. church has brainwashed her to believe this is normal and okay and that that’s just the role God expects women to play.
I don't know, I feel for him in a way. He has a bigger sex drive than he knew was possible before marriage. But neither of them are willing to give up their Christian reigns and blinders. So they're fitting themselves into boxes they aren't meant for. I've totally felt what he's describing. I've had to go and leave and take a long hard walk because of not having sex. But then, I'm not trying to be someone I'm not and not trying to stay put in relationships where our sex drives don't match.
jesus christ that man is a walking definition of abuse. Literally thinking he's entitled to sex when she is too upset?? GUILTTRIPPING her and making HER feel like she's the one who needs to "humble" herself??? Saying that people should have sex anyway to please him when they don't want it? My dude that is called rape. literally what the hell. This guy is an actual monster.
Bro fr like the way he expects sex and when she refuses it's HER FAULT?? Its so frustrating to see people like this that either don't get education on these topics or just don't care which is awful. Also so sorry for the topic change but that profile picture is so cute😭
Their video quickly went from being "what we wish we knew before sex (rated PG)" and turned into "the problems in our marriage that we can't talk about (without getting into an argument)."
i'm so sad for her. she has been so brainwashed to think that this is normal or healthy at all. at the same time- I'm frustrated that she's promoting this and encouraging other young girls to essentially force themselves to be intimate even when they don't want to.
Coercion is rape, and every type of non-enthusiastic consent is blurred lines. We shouldn't tell young girls anything else, if you don't want to do it 100%, like even if you're 50/50, just wait and think about it more. The sex and emotional aftermath never feels good when you settle or compromise for someone else
I also think that it's weird and gross as fuck that he literally does not care if she wants to do it or not. Doing the sex is more important to him than her feelings or volition and that's the grossest thing.
If anyone needs to hear this: You do not owe anyone sex! It doesn’t matter if they paid drinks, dinner, if you said yes earlier or (and I can’t believe I need to say this) if you’re married. You can always say NO at any moment if something makes you uncomfortable. Stay safe!
@@cdw2468 where I live it became a crime 29 years ago. That's more than enough time for people to figure it out and change their mindset. They just choose not to.
@@elleembee6335 i understand what you mean but unfortunately that's not how things work. If someone was not raised to understand consent and thought taking advantage of someone was okay, having rape become illegal after those core values have been instilled doesn't just make those ideas go away. These people now have to relearn and recondition themselves to understand what consent is. If they have years of thinking one way, it will take years of mental rehab.
@@smeneses575 I don't think that's they deserve any sympathy no matter their background. What I'm saying is that it wasn't recent. There's been plenty of time for people to change, they just choose not to. The law obviously doesn't change the behavior of people who choose to hurt others and think of their spouse as their property. Using how recent the law was as an excuse holds no water. In the last ten years there's been a significant conversation about consent and education as to what that means. At this point, if they're still doing it, there's no excuse. My parents had lawn darts but I don't because they're illegal. My parents left me to raise my siblings at age 10 but I didn't do that because it's illegal (and awful parenting). My parents treated my sister and I as though we were worth less than our brother, it was ingrained in us, but we didn't raise our children that way. My mother was irrational and violent with me, constantly berating me and treating me like a servant. I learned that those things weren't ok and that I shouldn't have to live like that or make my kids live like that, so I didn't continue the cycle of abuse. There's no excuse.
I love how he is getting the information from books and “articles” about sex and pleasure instead of from his WIFE who has had sex before. Not going to ask her what she likes, that’s emasculating to him. She is repeatedly saying that she wants foreplay in every possible way.
And every time he talks about reading books, especially when he says he's going to go out and find MORE books to read to find out how to please her better (when that clearly hasn't worked up until now)... she's doing everything short of literally just rolling her eyes at him. This man is so self-centered and oblivious to everyone's feelings but his own
Vanilla sex for woman can be painful especially at first. What she’s saying makes me think that she is going through this because of such a lazy, selfish oaf of a man who won’t bother to make her feel good or at least comfortable.
I grew up in the church and was always told not to have sex until marriage but now that I’m 23 and have came out as asexual they are now pushing me to have babies 🤦♀️
That's the thing they always contradict themselves. "Don't have sex till marriage!" "I don't want to get married or have sex." "WHAT? THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE GET MARRIED NOW AND MAKE BABIES OTHER WISE YOU ARE A DISAPPOINTMENT!!!" or "I want to have a baby but not get married." "YOU FILTHY WHORE!!! A DISGRACE IN THE NAME OF GOD!!!'
@@AussieLeftist okay I don’t remember writing this and I would never write this so imma assume I started a reply and fucked it up. Totally support this person and fuck the church
It's really funny to me how Morgan is basically so unbothered by the one time she refused sex because she was upset. She was like "yeah I'm not having sex with you I was mad at you" and that's like a revelation to him? Like? How did you think that was gonna go buddy
Ive noticed something about that... First of all, over years of seeing their content, I strongly believe Morgan is a victim of religious abuse. I don't want to have that judgement when I don't know them personally but they make it soooo hard to see their relationship any differently. But it really seems like (in my opinion) she opens up and says this stuff to Paul for the 1st time only when she's on camera because off camera he reacts in a toxic or abusive way. So if she says it on camera, she gets a chance to explain more, soften the blow, etc. She has dropped some thinly veiled hints many times and other signs, including them arguing in a leaked clip or a live, supports that being the case.
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@@BeeTeaDubsIts strange because like Beth and Kristen, they talked about the abuse they’ve had in the secular community, particularly the entertainment industry. So their option is to go into the other end? Its reached the point where its just as bad but they cant admit it since its what their livelihood is made up of. To be fair to Beth and Dav, they are getting closer to realizing it, especially Dav. Beth is still WIP, but can go either way.
Paul gives me the creeps. The way he looks at the camera and Morgan with such empty eyes, the language he uses (sex being "taken" from him, like a child getting their tablet "taken" away as punishment), and the way he is delusional enough to think ha can be an authority on absolutely anything. These sheltered men are children with the strength of a grown man which is scary.
It’s almost like he bases his entire life on the old rules and stories from an old book written by a people and culture far removed from him. A book written by people in a time where those rules made sense then, but not anymore…….yeah, he sucks! Ps. I’m a Catholic, but I’m not a crazy person. Some people need to chill.
yeah :/ he's already sexual abusive. coercive r*pe is a form of abuse... manipulation & gaslighting are too. it sucks even more because he can use the bible - a book written by a bunch of men - to justify his disgusting ideas on marriage.
@@DollfaceLizkah and how he is delusional enough to think someone wants to have sex after fighting with the other person and they haven't even made amends yet. truly sickening. sounds like he puts 0 emotion or care into sex which seems like her main issue with it. These types of guys are just placeholders going through the motions of life and not actual life partners.
as a girl who was around very entitled men my whole life, I recognized her nervous laughing immediately. You can’t get anger or you’ll shatter their world view. they’ll completely break and you’ll have to deal with the aftermath. So all you can do is laugh. I react the same way when I’m uncomfortable around men so I’m just really worried for her.
One time this kid that rode my bus randomly got off at my bus stop and said he lived that way too (I knew he didn’t bc he’d never gotten off there before and it was a dead end street too) and walked with me and was trying to get with me or something despite me telling him I had a boyfriend and saying that no, I didn’t want to also have someone on the side just bc they live closer(bf lived 30 minutes away). And I was awkward laughing and he goes “oooh she smiled she’s thinking about it” like no dude I’m just trying to get home
yeah awkward laughing is often "I'm uncomfortable, this situation needs to stop." as someone with social anxiety and has been forced to socialize in things I can't deal with, it means "get me out me out here I don't like this!" Yeah people think being nice means you want more but you just don't want anything negative. Someone once told me I was terrible because I tried standing up for myself (it was actually also in the middle of a family situation.) And no one should ever be forced into anything at all ever
right?! all this sounded pretty familiar to me, and how uncomfortable she was felt so familiar. it went from watching silly dumb overly conservatives talking about sex for laughs to me going "holy fuck, holy fuck, oh my gosh, holy fuck" and being legitimately worried for her.
I can't believe they recorded this, played it back, edited, and uploaded this thinking that was a good part to include. I mean their whole video in general sucks, but that was a scary part.
I feel terrible because while Paul was being a big baby about not getting sex, Morgan was upset because they had a fight and that fight hadn’t been resolved. Paul only cares about himself and his own pleasure, while Morgan is trying to keep the actual relationship going.
Exactly. It’s one thing to be frustrated because you had planned on intimate time and got derailed by a fight. It’s another thing altogether to have the opinion that you should have sex despite having said fight.
YES But to be honest: Is this advice worth seeing a woman stuck in a relationship like that? It makes me so sad for her :( I hope she makes it out of there and with that in mind, we can all enjoy additional knowledge
Her laughing so much about basically being assaulted (being pressured/coerced is assault) is breaking my heart. This is not how you deal with that trauma, honey!
she's laughing because she's uncomfortable :( especially when it's being publicly posted online, it's difficult for people in uncomfortable situations to express their discomfort openly. his change in tone when he realized she was "brazenly ignoring his feelings" was scary and i cant imagine how it is when they're alone
I’m sure she doesn’t even REALIZE it either, I bet she’s confused as to why it bothers her when she probably thinks that it shouldn’t. The whole thing is so damn sad, and what is worse is the guy is clearly completely unwilling to change ...
@@Maialeen that’s right!!! And I will say, when I grew up in purity culture, I felt like sex was just as scary and nauseating to me as it sounds like it is for Morgan :(
I mean to be fair she was clearly actively seeking out this type of relationship. She seems much more aware than Paul but she wasn’t aware enough to not get married after 4 months. Hard to get context from this video but she pretty clearly made some very unaware decisions as well. Sucks that so many men have absolutely zero emotional development
While I completely agree that's something you should talk to your partner about, she honestly could of had no clue what to tell him even if he did ask. Masturbating is a sin to them. She also said sex doesn't mean that much to her, so even more indication that she had probably had very few orgasms prior to her christian marriage. As someone who grew up in a sexually repressed environment I couldn't even make myself finish ALONE, much less with someone else, until I was almost 21 years old (sorry I know TMI but it feels relevant). Women's bodies are more complicated when it comes to sex and it's got to be sooo hard to flip the switch from being shamed and sex repulsed to being your husband's personal flesh light. I honestly feel really bad for her, she is brainwashed.
@@sonofabatchobrownies i feel like women are expected to not talk about these things because they are “unlady like” too! If asked by my bf to tell him what i like, i get shy and uncomfortable asking for what i want even though hes asking because of the way i was raised to be a lady. So I really have no problem with this dude reading the book on how to please her, still think he is a big problem
Books can be a great resource, but nothing is a replacement for talking to your partner. Also, the books that'll help are the ones by sex counselors/therapists etc., not the smut and/or christian purity stuff that he's probably reading
A possibility that I don't think is being discussed enough is that Morgan doesn't necessarily dislike sex in general, but she just wants to feel loved by the person she's having sex with, particularly because he's her husband. It sounds a lot to me like he just treats her like a conduit for his own pleasure, projects his feelings onto her, and ends up having very one-sided sex without even realizing she wasn't happy with it. And she seems put off by how little agency and intimacy she gets in her own sex life 😅
yeah she kept bringing it back to their emotional connection and i was like,, that's gonna be an iusse whether or not you have sex (even if having sex just amplifies that neglected feeling). if her emotional needs were being met on a regular basis, i just feel like there shouldn't be a huge disconnect of sex and an emotional connection?? but if youre in a relationship where your partner isn't listening to your emotional wants, ofc you're gonna feel like the sex doesn't have an emotional connection. idk i don't wanna therapize them since idk them and don't have the qualifications lol but it definitely felt like they had emotional/communcation issues besides just the sex dynamics
Especially given that she has obviously put a lot of thought and emotional energy into investing in purity bullshit given that she's repented/born again. She's been in a position where her faith and belief in the importance of sex is held as secondary to someone like him who has been "good" his whole life and then to essentially be faced with the fact that he is in fact full of the mustard disregard that she was told was sinful must be very confusing.
It did feel like Nick was missing the mark a bit on that point by focusing on the fact that she “didn’t enjoy the physical sex part” when I honestly very much understand the experience of not understanding the physical sensation of sex without the emotional connection over the top of it
Yeah like literally the only build up she could think of was cuddling or have a deep conversation and so it kinda makes me think there's absolutely no foreplay at all. Like he just walks up to her, shows her he's hard, and she just turns over so he can have sex with her like omg omg omg that's so bad!!
Yes! Exactly! He doesn't care if she's unhappy and doesn't want it because HE wants it, so she just needs to "humble" herself and fucking submit to him using her body?! It's disgustingly selfish and unloving! It feels so clear and simple!
The saddest thing is that Morgan seemingly knows excatly what kind of person Paul is, but she's constantly trying to gaslight herself into thinking it's an ideal marriage. One of the many harms Christianity does to people.
Please stop blaming Christianity for every cat peeing in your shoes. Evil can be done by bad people calling themselves Christians, not by Christianity itself. I mean, the way their marriage is going is NOT what Chrstianity teaches. As a matter of fact, the Bibel says it's NOT okay if, for example, a husband uses his wife for his own pleasure without caring about the wife's feelings.
@@AsrielDremurrBomj Yea but sadly a lot of people do things in the name of Christianity whether they go against the bible or not, and you can’t deny that a lot of Christian’s have build a culture that allows these things to happen and will be defended by the church
@@AsrielDremurrBomj okay but Christians are literally the ones blaming their actions on Christianity. Then you get mad at others for calling it out 😂 wtf. Do you know how many Christians preach about "wives serving their husband, being subservient" etc? You can't get mad at people for calling out what Christians say they are doing in the name of Christianity. If enough of y'all say it, seems like it IS being done in the name of Christianity. Also this couple specifically says they do these things because of religion. So regardless of what you think, the comment was accurate. Even if the entirety of other Christians DON'T, this couple still DOES.
@@AsrielDremurrBomj Of course not all christians, because they are a religion with millions of believes and each one has their own interpretation of the bible and follow different braches. But that doesn't remove that the couple in the video have a Christian TH-cam channel to talk about said religion in their lives, and this includes intimacy. And their toxic behaviours are justified by their interpretation of the bible.
@@AsrielDremurrBomjthe problem is, because of the rule that you can’t have sex before marriage, lots of Christian’s rush into marriage in order to have sex (like this couple). And because divorce is so fucking hard to get as a Christian, if it turns out one of them is abusive, or overall they don’t work together, they’re kinda stuck
i feel like paul got married and just thought “i’m gonna be able to have sex whenever and wherever i choose and my wife has to oblige cuz she’s my wife” like no paul that’s not how sex in marriage works even if ur christian or if ur not it goes both ways
That is not what Evangelical Christianity (emphasis on Evangelical) teaches and what purity culture pushes. He believes that because he's been raised his entire life with that expectation. Under their belief system she should be subservient to him and submit to his desires. The phrase "As Jesus is the head of the church so is the Husband and Father the head of the household" is a very common refrain in Evangelical Christianity so they literally put married men on par with Jesus and disobedience is sinful. His "mistake" was he married a woman who had been in the world and became a born again virgin, if he'd married some poor woman who had been raised under the same circumstances as him he would be getting exactly what he wanted at her expense. Instead he (thankfully) has a wife with an independent streak.
I thought in the church a man is allowed to have unconsenting sex with his wife just because they're married. So he might be basing it off of that. Idk they teach really fucked up shit in the church. I think for a long time marital rape wasn't even punished because of our puritanical morals.
That and also I think he thought she was gonna be a “slut” for him since she wasn’t a “virgin”. He felt he was being so charitable by marrying an “unclean” woman, and he thought by making that “sacrifice” that he would deserve and be entitled to what he perceives as his just reward (sex). It’s quite grotesque.
There is truly no religious phrase that disgusts me more than ‘humble yourself’. It’s always somebody from a position of more power speaking to somebody with less power and straight up telling them ‘I know you don’t want to do this, but you should put up with it and just do what I tell you.’
I'm a Christian and I just wanted to throw out the perspective that is biblical for people to at least know that there are actual Christians not part of the purity movement who disagree so strongly with whats seen here. The way the word humble its used here is so demeaning and derogatory. The husband is supposed to care for his wife more dearly than his own life and so much of that is being humble and seeing her needs as greater than your desires and your own needs. And while I think humility should be expressed and excersised by both parties its crazy manipulative and evil to leverage humility to raise yourself over your wife. That's not supported by the Bible.
Humbling oneself is only really a thing if you're being particularly arrogant. Kind of like the expression "get off your high horse". It's not intended to be used in such a repulsive manner. Sex should be a shared experienced not a servile one.
@@ivetterodriguez9628 Yeah, it's something we should all be seeking to do because our hearts are inherently proud. But in marriage it's the responsibility of the husband to lead his wife spiritually. This is a responsibility not a command to women to be lead. And in this case rather than telling his wife she needs to humble herself he should be telling men to do so. Every verse in the Bible that directs husband's to be the "head" of the married couple compares the husband to Jesus who was worthy of all worship but who instead denies that for the sake of his church by dying for her. The important thing here is that this type of leadership is one that isn't to be taken lightly. Any man who takes advantage of his wife is in need of deep humility and understanding that headship is a responsibility to lead by example. I hope that all makes sense. There are so many bad examples of mean from churches misunderstanding and misrepresenting what hesdship is. Also it's not something to be flaunted and every couple is able to approach this in their own way. The important thing is that both husband and wife understand they and their spouse are imperfect, but by loving eachother through that they are able to mirror God's love for the people he created
the craziest thing to me isn’t his perspective, but rather the fact that HER perspective on consent and everything is SO foreign to him 😭 like it’s never crossed his mind that if one person doesn’t want to have sex, you don’t have sex
About the "scheduling of sex" thing I think I remember Morgan saying (or its just something Christian trad wifes mention alot) that because there was often times where he would want sex but she wouldn't be in the mood most the time so they would schedule what days they would have sex so she could mentally prepare herself, knowing what was going to happen that day even if she really didn't want to
That’s just so sad because I schedule sex because I recently got off my birth control so we plan when it’s low and use protection and don’t have sex when I’m ovulating. And I plan because there’s nights I don’t have my son. Or we haven’t in a while so we wanna set aside a time to. But to be like “he keeps wanting to fuck and I don’t wanna so I am gonna set a day or days to satisfy him to leave me alone”
"Humble yourself and just have sex with me." Bro humble YOURSELF and accept no for an answer !?!? She went on a whole monologue about how for her sex is supposed to be just as much about emotional intimacy and dude wants her to just give it up even if she's mad at him. He definitely ruined sex for her.
"Bro I barely know you" is a response a lot of women raised in purity culture feel on the "honeymoon night", women have reported feeling violated even after consensual relations because the expectation is to '"never do anything" unless you're married and then to suddenly "do everything" when you become married (ignoring that a lot of the cultural conditioning that tells women that they need to be "of service" to their husbands within this setting). Because sexy relations are so stigmatized, people (especially women) will unconsciously hold onto internalized beliefs that sexuality is disgusting instead of a natural thing all humans go through, let alone exploring that within themselves.
YES!!! THAT FCKING PART!! Before it’s not okay but now that I’m married all is okay?? when I dont even know what all is? Let alone what makes me feel good and can actually make this enjoyable for the both of us?? Bruh if I would’ve stayed in the church with that mindset and would’ve gotten married I would be so miserable oh my goodness
I left behind purity culture when I was 18, but this still holds true for my relationships even though I didn't stay abstinent. I had a lot of moments when I just had to stop or ended up disassociating because I had intense feelings of shame. This could even happen on my own if penetration is involved.
That's true, but also both men and women are not taught to expect female pleasure to be a factor. The female body doesn't work that way. Sheila Wray Gregoire did some research into sex lives of Christian women, and how different teachings affect female pleasure and sexual functionality.
Dude, I feel so bad whenever I see anybody talk about these two. It is so dang painfully obvious that Morgan’s needs AREN’T being met at all. Like, every single video I’ve seen of these two is Morgan making some solid points, and Paul talking down to her. It breaks me.
There is actually a video on their page where they describe how on their wedding day Morgan ran off at the altar sick (she has anxiety issues) and Paul didn’t go after her or check on her or anything. He was mainly standing at the altar concerned about the wedding and not so much his then-future wife. The pastor actually noticed something was wrong before he did
he heard her talk about how sex is more pleasurable and fulfilling when shes emotionally invested (she mentioned conversation, massage, etc) and then proceeded to say he expects sex after a bad argument anyways. huh??
This literally sent chills down my spine. The way his tone shifted when she said she knew he was about when they didn’t have sex and then the way he said you should have sex with your partner anyway when you’re upset with them and don’t want to while she awkwardly laughed and defended herself was terrifying. And that they will be bringing children into that situation where the boys will be led to believe they are owed sex and the girls being taught that they don’t deserve to control their own body is so sad. To act like losing your bodily autonomy is gods will is sickening.
here is some serious sex advice: only have sex when BOTH of you want it. It's ok to try to get each other in the mood. You can dress up, dirty talk, cuddling, kissing etc. whatever works for you BUT neither of you should ever feel pressured to have sex. It should never feel like its a "have to" or an expectation. And never get upset with your partner when they aren't/can't get into the mood. Just talk to each other. Don't read books about your relationship issues, don't go to friends and ask them just go to YOUR partner and be open and honest with each other always. If anyone has any questions I'm right here!!
Content warning: SA "Humbling yourself" and having sex when you don't want to may please your partner at the time, but *you're hurting yourself in the long run.* When you're intimate and don't want to be, your brain doesn't know that you're technically consenting; your brain just knows "I don't want to be doing this" and *will process the event the same as it would process assault.* Any decent partner would choose you *not traumatizing yourself* over pleasuring them if they understood the mental damage caused by consenting when you don't want to
Same thing happened to me and you don’t realize it at the time but your brain clicks it as an assault afterwards. In the moment you are just waiting for it to be over and you kinda disassociate (probably is different for others)
Every time I’ve had sex just because my partner wanted to I always felt awful during and after. Just downtrodden and disrespected, even if they didn’t push me or do anything crazy. It just felt wrong.
they really used the video as their own therapy session to passive aggressively tell each other "hey, this isn't working and our sex life is absolutely awful" and i don't know how to feel about it 💀
Like, they seem to be completely unaware that pressuring/forcing/ guilting your spouse into sex is marital rape. It really sounds like he is doing that, and it's so uncomfortable
I have to imagine this is incredibly common among religious couples, especially the more devout ones. As far as religion is concerned, marriage is not a partnership, no matter what they tell you. It's an ownership. And because the husband effectively owns the wife, she must therefore do whatever is asked of her, regardless of her own feelings. It's fucking disgusting.
@@Manigeitora There's also a tenet in Christianity that you should have sex with your spouse whenever they ask for it; back when I regularly attended church (grew up devoutly Christian), there was a whole subsection of the sermon in which the pastor addressed this, and that the only exception was like if you were sick or something. But it was so uncomfortable to listen to because I feel like anyone with two brain cells could tell that the verse isn't saying what they think it's saying.
With the whipped cream story, it goes to show that he assumed that how that she's his wife that he can bring what ever fantasies into the bedroom and she's going to be ok with it. That boundaries don't matter anymore because she's his wife. I'm glad he learned that lesson early on but I hope he continued to keep it in mind.
@@edelleaa "don't expect it to be good at first... uh don't expect it to be like the books... anyway let's argue about our source of resentment in this relationship showing that we have no right to be giving advice about this"
I hate that the entire message of their video was “women, just LET yourself be assaulted.” Because holy moly. That is exactly what we are told both indirectly and directly by society constantly throughout our entire lives. More people don’t need to be giving out r*p* advice like this. Holy mother of Gormu. What the actual hell is going on and why isn’t he being arrestedddd!
What is gormu??? & yeah it’s so sad. I feel truly bad for all the women who suffer from this sort of message and even believe it themselves because it is all they’ve ever been told. It’s especially common in religious households & areas.
@@hommefataltaemin Gormu is the “god” that nick and mr beard worship on their new podcast lol. On a serious note yes I completely agree with what you said.
Seriously! I can’t believe that even with her saying that she can’t have sex after an argument he keeps going back and saying they should. It’s not something that can be argued if she keeps saying no. And how he kept saying having sex after an argument would ‘bless them’ to try and get her to agree with him. Ugh that’s so disgusting and manipulative. I’m glad she didn’t back down. A lot of people are saying he’s like a kid who got his toys taken away from him and really that’s so accurate.
When someone dont want sex one night for any reason, why would you get mad? Punishing your partner because they dont want to have sex will certainly not make them want to have sex with you more. It is abuse
Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria is a thing that exists especially among people with ADHD. The emotions it can invoke are a mixture of anger, shame etc. Honestly what he describes sounds a lot like RSD but he kept bringing it back to sex so I'm not really gonna try to defend a client that keeps standing up and saying "I'm guilty!" in front of the jury.
@@milhousevanhoutan9235 Let’s be real though I have ADHD and experience RSD all the time, but when it comes to sex I understand it’s not something someone owes me or should do as a favor or “to be nice.” When it comes to social interactions or work environment I can understand the effect RSD can have one someone. But when it comes to anyone’s sex life? RSD shouldn’t even be brought up because it’s a matter of respecting your partner as a human being that also has wants and needs. TL;DR Let’s not try to make excuses for objectively shitty behavior
@@milhousevanhoutan9235 she experiences rejection every time he ignores her thoughts, choices, & autonomy. why are you so quick justify coercive r*pe & side with him. (& it doesn't matter whether their religion justifies it. religion was used to justify oppression based on race. it's still wrong when it's used to justify oppression based on gender.) & there are tons of people with ADHD who don't act like him so like.... let's not do this lol
@@milhousevanhoutan9235 yeah hi, RSD haver here, it is a difficult challenge every day. it's also literally not a situation where this should be a defense because you should know damn well you have it going in, and not let that risk damaging your relationship?? you are so unbelievably gross for this comment.. I am so disgusted, we ADHDers have enough shit making things impossible this year already without people like you pretending like RSD is an excuse for whining about not getting laid. go sit in a corner. if you have RSD so bad you get rapey you need to not be around other people.
I CRACKED THE CODE When he was so shocked that she knew he was mad and wanted sex but rejected him anyway, I know what was happening. And it's more sinister than any of the other analyses I've seen. Paul read in one of his Sex Books™ that angry sex was more passionate and better than regular sex, so he got her angry ON PURPOSE in order to try and get her to have angry sex with him. The book probably failed to mention (or Paul didn't read it, let's be honest) that just because she's mad doesn't mean she WILL have sex with you no matter what.
They schedule their sex because of how much she doesn't like to have sex with him. Its insane that they think for a second that they're the people who should be giving sex advice
@@MellowJelly I get that it would genuinely work for people with very busy lives, kinda like scheduled dates, even more if the couples preferences in the bedroom need prep. But I also understand that when you're truly comfortable and emotionally connected with your partner it blooms spontaneously without the need to save the date, even when prep is needed. But sadly those last 2 things are missing in most Christian marriages because of how love and intimacy are taught in the church.
@@MellowJelly kink isn’t above criticism either. most kinks and fetishes are literally rooted in violence against women so the idea that ppl w kinks are some protected class that cannot b criticized is wrong
@@chefboyardee5273 thank you. I don't understand this whole business about "kink-shaming" because some of this shit is terrible and wrong. And I'm not anti-sex by any means, and yes people should be free to explore things beyond what is prescribed as 'appropriate' (e.g., missionary and/or vanilla sex) but no kink is above criticism, justified or unjustified ETA: And some of y'all just nasty. 🤢
When he starts talking about how upset he is about not having sex, talking about "intimate moments being taken away" I do not buy it. He isn't upset about the emotional part, he just thinks he is entitled to her whenever he wants.
Yeah because it's not an intimate moment being taken away if the intimate moment was never there for her. It didn't exist so it can't be taken away. If he means kissing and hugging not escalating into more, then he's basically saying her kisses aren't worth shit unless she puts out after
He doesnt actually think its "intimate and beautiful", hes just pissed he didnt get pussy 😭😭 he doesnt care about how she feels at all or whether shes enjoying herself.
someone should tell her if she isn’t into the physical moment she can just say no. suspect she’s too busy “being a good wife” to someone with years of pent up energy to enforce boundaries
The transformed wife (a kind of Christian influencer in this sphere) compares sex with your husband to her obligation to clean the toilet and her husbands obligation to go to work and be the breadwinner. It's seen as a wife's duty in that model of traditional marriage.
Its pretty hard to “just say no” when youre married to a man who is perfectly fine admitting that he gets so angry when he cant have sex that he wants to just get in his car and drive + tells her that she needs to HUMBLE HERSELF and have sex with him anyways. 💀 im all for encouraging women to speak up about their boundaries but its harder than “just say no”. She does say no. And he gets mad and shames her about it.
@@allyrae3344 that’s why i said someone should let her know that actually, you can say no, as a generic possibility that is allowable. i assume the rest of her social circle reinforces to her that his needs are first
the thing about "waiting for marriage" to have sex is that you have no clue if you're sexually compatible or not until after you're stuck in a legally binding relationship. and then people wonder why their spouses cheat on them because they never communicate their sexual needs.
@@athenajaxon2397 exactly, like you should work it out before getting married tho 💀 like you don't need to marry someone within a month of meeting them
Him practically saying he deserved sex reminded me a lot of my ex and it is absolutely wild to me that people are like that. Women aren’t objects where YOU decide when sex is. I hope she realizes how fucked up and toxic this truly is
I doubt it. It's not just him who holds this view, it's everyone around her. She grew up with these beliefs and has no motivation to distance herself from them. And she often seems to hold 'more extreme' views than her husband, as well. Though they both seem to consider themselves were 'progressive'. It's frustrating to watch/see
Was way too real for me too, my ex used the exact same tactics as him. Was so hard to break out of that relationship, even though I knew I hated it. The gaslighting and guilting with that one was impressive
this feels like when you go over to a friend's house for dinner and you want them to pass the salt, but you don't want to interrupt their impending divorce.
Wife: "It sucks when the hypothetical man neglects the emotional aspect of the relationship, how about a snuggle or back rub once in a while?" Husband: "I must go read a book to figure out why my wife seems upset right now."
This triggered me in a way where I had to fully stop working and almost cried. Especially when she said “sometimes even when you’re mad at your partner you still need to have sex” like. That is coercion love…
What’s even more upsetting is that she may not even have any idea that it is. The fact that she’s doing this, well aware that she’s not enjoying it but doing it because she knows her husband wants it is absolutely fucked up. It’s really depressing
Yeah, I mean, there are some people using withholding sex from their partner specifically as a punishment, and that's a bit screwed up (unless they're into that, I guess) but that's not nearly the same as not wanting to have sex with someone you're mad at. It's very natural not to want to be touched and physically close to someone you feel has hurt you in some way.
@@nikkinnom to be fair to the commentator, i think they meant that "withholding sex" is sometimes a trope in movies and media where people (usually women) are openly saying they will not have sex with them although wanting to in order to coerce them to do something. Like a transaction. Not that I think anyone owes their body to anyone ever, but its still a very weird thing that I imagine could be hurtful the other partner to openly try to use sex as a bargaining chip.
This straight up screams that she doesn’t feel consistently loved AND that there’s no foreplay/she’s not getting off. He’s acting like he’s entitled to sex and her body.
I can't imagine thinking "I barely know you" about my partner after getting married, holy shit that's a yikes!! I've been with my bf for almost 2 years now and I still feel like there's a lot to go until marriage such as moving in together, etc. Marrying after 4 months of dating is fucking insane!!
Everything about this video was just so insane, and so terrifying!! The way that Paul got so visibly angry when Morgan said she recognized when he was upset that they weren't having sex that night - man was literally twitching, and then insists that she should concede and have sex with him even when she's angry??? Like, if you can't understand that you are not OWED sex, you should not be having it. And Morgan's awkward, hostage laughter the entire video... These people need a divorce.
“It would mean so much to me if you would roll over and touch me” WHY DON’T YOU DO THAT BRO??? Why is it on HER only? He’s so entitled that he not only thinks sex should just happen when he wants it, but he also expects her to do all the emotional work too… What a living hell!
GOD THIS FEELS SO AWKWARD! I genuinely wonder how they thought they could be giving anyone advice about this when it´s blatantly obvious they can´t even talk to each other
I'm banking on that he finds out that he also likes guys and there is a whole gay-sex parties fiasco or something. He is so repressed that he gets angry when he is denied sex from a previous fight, he has to have some more deep issues and fixations that are just waiting to cum to life.
He actually complains that SHE is ignoring HIS emotions when she doesn't want to have sex while she's mad at him while he *completely* ignores her being mad at him??? You know, like, ignoring her emotions.
It is like borderline social commentary in and of itself that literally this married couple is about to have sex on their honeymoon but they're so nervous and awkward about it because they "barely know each other"... on their HONEYMOON
Yeah and we clearly see people with different needs and personalities that don't fit when it's about sex. So now she (especially her, because she's literally not satisfied at all and it seems like she's also not getting taken seriously by him, probably if she would speak about it he would get upset because he will have taken sex away from him again 🥴) is stuck in a marriage that she would have left it it was only a relationship to her because for her it makes a big difference and I don't think she sees a divorce as a possible way. Thats why I think you should have sex before marriage.
it's fair if they didnt wanna have sex before marriage, valid choice. but the fact they didnt communicate AT ALL is ridiculous, not about expectations, what their boundaries are, just free falling into a honeymoon/marriage clearly neither of them prepared for.
I hope that she realizes that eventually though they did just have a kid. And he was a massive dick about her struggle with infertility calling her a bad wife, and lover, etc.
Ok so I work at an adult toy store, and the fact that shit like this is so common baffles me. Men will come in asking for products that will make their wives tighter, more sensitive, more excited, etc. and it’s weird. The worst was when some guy had asked if we had an aphrodisiac that he could easily apply to his wife without her noticing and I immediately told him to just leave the store. Another horrifying encounter was when a married couple asked me what the point of lube was….
I wish there was a sex store near me. I remember I was somewhere in ny and walked into the coolest for women/nb sex store. It was brightly and softly lit, dildos and vibratos on display, employees were super nice and chill. I was still a teenager so I was very shy, but if I had that store now??😂
It really is so horrifying. These men don't understand that by pressuring their wives and not providing any amount of foreplay or love is actively making the sex worse for both of them. Obviously the woman is not receiving the care and attention she deserves and can also be pretty hurt from there being no natural lubrication from being turned on, but my partner has told me that it feels better for them when I'm having my clit stimulated. It causes muscle contractions and more lubrication, which is better for everyone involved, but men like this feel like it isn't worth their time for their partner to have more enjoyment? It's so fucking crazy to me. Also, the comment about a couple not understanding what the lube is for is absolutely insane. Even sometimes when I'm really turned on, I still need lube. Either she is the epitome of WAP or she has become accustomed to having painful, dry sex. Ugh it makes me so sad and angry
@@Epic-so3ekshe is also probably afraid of him, especially after watching the end of the video. She laughed way to much to merely be annoyed or unconcerned, it was to soften what she knew would make him flip. You can see in his reaction he’s immediately pinning it on her and being coercive. It’s disgusting 🤢
I was also raised in a Christian household and i cannot tell you how many married women would ‘joke’ about how angry/upset/ annoyed their husband would get when they didn’t sleep together. Like his emotional well being was entirely wrapped up in her spreading her legs. Disgusting
I got lowkey scared for Morgan when Paul kept on pushing the topic of not having sex after a fight. He got so posessive over the concept of it like it was his right and only his desire for sex was valid but her feelings weren't. He was pushing the line of consent so far. I may not like either of them but I would not want to see their relationship turn to marital rape...
@@PGOuma I mean from what it seems they don't have sex when Morgan is not in the mood after a fight but him going this heavy on the topic and trying to guilt trip her is extremely worrying.
Oh my god he is genuinely so disgusting. That he thinks sex can get “taken away” from him, prioritizes sex over how she feels (including after an argument??), that she feels pressured to have sex, he doesn’t think about her wants at all, accusing her of “not thinking about his emotions” when she didnt want to have sex. This is rancid. I hope shes okay.
It kinda sounded like an evil laugh tho tbh. I can see why people could misinterpret it that way. I also feel like she was lowkey legit laughing at how pathetically he was acting towards her lol
I don't even wanna imagine what they said to each other after filming this. This video literally gets crazier and crazier and the fact that they're ENCOURAGING THESE UNHEALTHY DYNAMICS TO THEIR AUDIENCE BROOOOO
So they recorded THAT and then agreed, Yeah, that is something the public should see. Let's upload it to youtube. Wow. In another video they tried to say that in the beginning of their marriage he went too fast, and now he's a genius because he realizes he has to slow down, be tender, and wait for her arousal to catch up to his. I thought THAT video was wild, because he admitted it took him years to realize her body didn't work the same way as his. But now it's obvious their problems go a lot deeper than that. Yet they both still think they can be models of the Christian lifestyle for thousands of young believers.
Right, it's like the whole approach is backwards. Sex, when you get down to it, is really just biology. I understand people not wanting to engage in it before they know a person on a certain level for emotional and psychological reasons (I am very much in that camp), but when you hold it as this big prize to be unlocked after getting the marriage achievement - regardless of the quality of the relationship - it's just as meaningless as when you have sex with a stranger, because it's functionally the same thing. And clearly the relationship quality is subpar and a half with these two.
I think they'll say that you gotta get married as soon as possible, because the more you wait, the harder it'll be to "hold back" from having sex. That's why so many of them rush into marriage.
My friend, who's christian but like....normal, recently had her 'bachelorette' party (it was just afternoon tea at one of the bridesmaid's house, but the only gifts she got were lingerie) and at the end of it, all the married (christian) women there gave her sex advice, and they said the most batshit disgusting stuff ever. One of them said that the secret to keeping your marriage healthy was to 'do it all the time. Just do it and do it and do it, even if you don't want to, bc he will want to and if he's getting satisfied at home he won't look for satisfaction elsewhere. So do it a lot. You have to' and my friend just stared at her like 'okay...thanks 🙂' (bc like i said, she's normal, so she knows that's insane) It's just crazy to me that that's how these people think. That sex sucks, but it's an obligation. So many of my childhood friends married soooo young bc they just wanted to fuck and that was the condition, and then they were fed the most disgusting advice by their elders that also got married young out of obligation, so they don't know shit either
it’s so upsetting knowing that she is actively being so traumatized but I have to give her props for arguing with him and not shutting down when he says she owes him sex
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this isn't even advice, they're just arguing in the third person about their sex lives😭
Fr this felt like a therapy session pov: you are the therapist and it's awkward af
Thank you for putting it into words! I couldn’t describe it myself 😂
“Arguing in 3rd person” i have no idea why, but that string of words from the English language is extremely humorous to me
It’s like the therapist gave them each a puppet to act out their arguments with lol
It is advice. Just what not to do.
someone being ANGRY that they aren’t gaining access to your body is the biggest red flag i’ve ever heard
Amen🙌🏻
not even a red flag. red flag is a warning sign that someone might be a terrible person. this is just outright predatory and weird. that should be the reason u leave.
rapey, not just a red flag
Paul is just a walking red flag. He’s an awful person
@@basmabasma2983 yeah its just a sign saying "rapist" lol :/
If I was in a fight with my husband and he told me to “humble yourself and just have sex with me even though you don’t want to”, that man would not be my husband for much longer.
ikr, cuz what the fuck.
Yeah Jesus Christ if someone said that to me I would go to my mom's house and just break down crying
like.. somehow combined it‘s worse than the parts by itself. Because she’s being subdued through it in a way, almost punished
Yeah that A-hole would get kicked out of the door immediately
that's super scary. legit gaslighting and manipulation - i actually feel sorry for her. she was even saying how hard that is for her and he was like "yeah but you have to" essentially
“Bro I barely know you” That fucked me up. You just MARRIED this man, you should know EVERYTHING about him. Wdym you barely know him. Did y’all get married JUST to have sex? That’s insane.
I live in the Bible Belt and so many people get married just to have sex, it’s sad
Yes. From someone who was in that culture, yes that’s exactly why they get married so quickly into dating (or “courting”).
Yes that’s absolutely why they got married so quickly
absolutely. most of us do this at least subconsciously. we are all down bad. (us christians)
yea, purity culture drives people to get married super young and that’s why they end up with so many kids. it’s depressing tbh
The fact that so many men are perfectly ok with having sex with someone who DOESN'T WANT TO is fucking crazy! If I thought someone was just saying yes to appease me I would immediately be grossed out
Right?!? My boyfriend once told me after the act that he didn't really want to but he felt bad because I "put in a lot of effort" (I put on something sexy in the bathroom, took me 2min max). It made me feel ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE and we had to have a long talk about how he doesn't owe me sex and that I'm not gonna get mad or leave him if he says no sometimes. Can't imagine not caring about your partners feelings...
Right!!
literally. how is it hot that someone doesn't want to participate
@@irgendwoaunid4048 You are amazing. Truly.
@@therearetwowolves your view on life is so one dimensional it's honestly laughable
Her problem isn't that she doesn't like sex, her problem is that he doesn't do any sort of build-up or foreplay with her beforehand, which is really important because it makes sex more intimate and pleasurable for both partners. She's saying "you put no effort into turning me on" and he's completely ignoring her and being like "WhAt if I rEaD a BoOk woULd tHaT hELp"
Exactly. And honestly for a lot of women, penetration isn’t the best way for pleasure. But it sounds like he wants to boink and calm it a day
like, she’s just asking him not to treat her like a hole
I was your 666th like, you're welcome
The funny thing is is a book would probably recommend foreplay
Men would do anything instead of listening to their wife
He accuses her of "ignoring his emotions" when she doesn't want to have sex with him, meanwhile she's upset about the actual fight they were just in. Do you care about HER emotions, sir??? Your horniness and entitlement are not emotions, either.
Yeah he literally is like "I can't believe you ignored my emotions, now could you please ignore your emotions and indulge my entitlement even if you don't feel like it?" What an absolute asshole.
That part is so disgusting :( youre so right
But that kind of thing speaks volumes about how guys in more socially and culturally conservative backgrounds and communities that are more strict on enforcing gender norms are socialized in a way to conflate their emotions and feelings with sexual urges. They are taught not to be emotionally expressive or vulnerable, and those feelings end up manifesting as additional or intensified sexual urges to use sex as a release for it instead. Getting sex from a woman you like or are with is supposed to be the only socially acceptable way for a guy to receive love and feel loved in a relationship without it being "gay" or "unmanly" in such situations where traditional gender norms are strictly enforced.
Yeah, and like when he said, 'humble yourself and have sex with your partner anyway' like maybe hey guy, maybe _you_ should humble _yourself_ and respect that your wife *_doesn't want to have sex_* !
RIGHT like she’s not ignoring his emotions, she knows what he wants. But she _doesn’t,_ Paul!
She basically just said he's never made her c*m in the nicest way possible. As a woman, this is genuinely my worst fear. Stay safe queen
Exactly. That's why she is trying to put so much emphasis on foreplay bc that's the only time she derives pleasure... from anticipation of something that won't happen lol
I feel really sorry for her. It took me a long time to get to that point personally but when I finally did get to that point, I realized I could never go without pleasure like that. I really hate this misinformation that women aren't supposed to climax. It's bulshit. Ninety-nine percent of women are capable of having an orgasm through penetration
Same like not even in a ‘i wanna cum’ way but like im afraid i sleep with someone and they dont care about my pleasure
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I don't even know how you can do something like that, to knowingly keep a relationship going where you know they're not getting the same out of it as you...like literally so gross.
the fact that he said "even if you're upset with me and don't want to have sex with me you should HUMBLE YOURSELF and do it anyway" WHAT? WHAT? EXCUSE ME?
Exactly! Why doesn’t HE humble himself and realize he isn’t entitled to it😤
Just hearing him talk during that section set off so many red flags. Like I instinctively felt unsafe and had to remind myself it was a video as weird as it sounds.
@@EmilyTotallynotbees Aww I feel that, kinda same 😣❤️
Hold on, timestamp??
@@EmilyTotallynotbees yeah I had to hit pause and cool off for a second during this part
i feel really really bad for morgan. her pain is like.. barely veiled and her laughter was so forced
I would if she wasn't actively pushing a toxic ideology. I'd feel bad for her because unlike most young women and girls raised in the Evangelical Christianity lifestyle and purity culture she actually knows what she's lost in terms of agency and independence.
@@milhousevanhoutan9235 i feel like you can feel disgusted at her for pushing the ideology but also feel bad for her because she's likely uncomfortable at best
@@the-postal-dude I agree, she's both a victim and a perpetrator of this evangelical patriarchal system, and has essentially been brainwashed to believe that this is the only "right" way to live, even if somewhere in her head she knows it's damaging. I was the same way being raised in the church and left once I was 19. They emotionally manipulate you so much that sinning or leaving the church is equal to eternity in hell, and you start to believe it. So I feel bad for people who are more susceptible to this type of conditioning, but she's also an adult and is responsible for those decisions.
@@the-postal-dude Ultimately the reason I don't feel bad for her is empathy fatigue. I've lived a while now and for as long as I can remember Evangelical Christians have consistently been trying to destroy this country and take the freedoms of everyone else. Despite being delt defeat (skokes trial) after defeat (creationism is not science) after defeat (Intelligent Design is just creationism with extra steps etc.) they are somehow managing to fail upwards and are closer than ever before to succeeding in their goal of creating a theocratic state. They do not truly believe everyone is equal and are hostis humani generis. For heaven's sake, they are proponents of the war crime of forced birth and have managed to remove the the only obstacle from it being the law.
As a result of that I can't find it in my heart to forgive or be charitable to them anymore, outside of the children they're brainwashing. That goes double for someone who lived an alternative life and CHOSE to become that. If you'll forgive the dramatic language- It is very clear that in whatever comes next Evangelical Christians will be counted among my enemies. Which is a shame, because all I ever wanted was to live my life and let them live theirs- but they wouldn't leave me the fuck alone.
UndercoverHyaenidae- glad you got out! Hope you found a support network that's there for you.
The more I watch these two, the more I feel sorry for Morgan. She just seems like she's so full of life, and now she's stuck with this stuck-up, boring, inexperienced manchild.
What do you mean by inexperienced?
@@naomisoltesz9890 dudes been raised in such a bubble I would say he’s inexperienced when it comes to…. Like…. everything lol
@@naomisoltesz9890 I mean that he has no experience in pleasuring his partner. Perfectly fine to not have sex before marriage, if that's what a person wants, but not really caring if your partner enjoys it is not okay. I mean Nick is right, books won't help there. If he keeps reading books, and not asking Morgan what she likes, it won't matter how much sex they're having. His experience will still amount to zero.
@@rainbeau6760 Okay, I agree with you 100% then. I thought it was a jab at his lack of sexual relations prior to being in a relationship.
i kinda disagree bc she seems boring af to me, but like a lot of xtian women she probably suppressed her personality to be what she thinks she's supposed to be. I do think its sad that whoever she could have been has been stifled.
someone in chat said "they obviously have no intimacy outside of sex" and I could not agree more, that seems to be the whole problem
Totally agree
what could it else be ? like hugs ? im not englisch
@@marvin2678in English, intimacy can also be used to refer to emotional closeness and not just sex.
She's like "I'd like some forplay and affection and maybe even some conversation before we have sex" and he's like "Hmmm no."
"No no no that can't be it. I must consult the sacred Sex Books"
“Hmmm I’ll read another book to fix this”
I was thinking the same thing, ask her what she enjoys and do it. She wants some foreplay and likely hasn't been given an orgasm by him their entire marriage. Books can't tell you what your partner likes, only they can.
@@annikaseidl9492 literally.
All she wants is a back rub, words of affirmation, and some flowers. It ain’t that hard 🤦🏼
You really get the feeling Paul is clueless and childish, and Morgan is more self-aware, but is suppressing her emotions because she wants to make it work as a good Christian wife. I think she's becoming the Mommy in that relationship, which isn't going to be great for her sex life.
accurate read
Very childish
M-Mommy? Sorry, Mommy?
@@SirArthurTheGreat I hate this trend
@@BubbleBunnyy I hate it as well but I also contribute to it sadly
The shift in his tone when he realized she KNEW how bad he wanted to have sex one time that she didn't? SCARY AF.
25:16
Genuinely sounds like that part in movies where someone really powerful and vain learns about something the protagonist kept from them. 27:16 too. This video went from pretty sad but funny to _mildly_ scary
That made me uncomfortable as well. My first husband never cared about consent and this was very similar. His sexual needs are apparently more important than her emotional needs, which is BS.
So- so, you knew
HOLY SHIT dude is like a total psycho who always wants sex bc he’s never jacked off in his life
Yeah. Even if she knew he should have been fine with the fact that she wasn't ready for that. Sex is never owed to you no matter how badly you want it, because sex involves another living person with thoughts and feelings, and if they don't want it then you have no right to make them feel bad about that.
Her panicked laughter is heartbreaking.
My highschool ex used "well men have more wants of the flesh" to coerce me into sexual favors for him, but say that "sex is a sin for a woman, don't be a jezebel" whenever I wanted reciprocation. Purity culture and the gender roles permeated in Christianity is so dangerous. And, since there was no sex ed in my Christian school I had no clue what consent was, and didn't even realize I was being abused until YEARS later, doing SANE training as an RN.
what kind of religious guilt nonsense is that 💀 sounds like some shit I'd hear back home
@@tink6225 is this... ✨ Trauma bonding??✨
@@C0UNTD00DU lmao
Are you KIDDING?? He called you a JEZEBEL??? That insult speaks volumes about what type of person he was. I'm so sorry you had to put up with that
There wasn't sex ed in my school either, but I still knew what consent is. You don't need sex ed to be able to know what consent is. Lol
her saying that sex is a selfless act is such a HUGE red flag
Ikr like do you think she even knows the female orgasm exists?
Elaborate please
@@Smileynathi she's basically saying "I'm doing this for him because I don't enjoy it (thus the selflessness)"
HUGE! More like a whole red light! As in leave any man who makes you feel this way!
I mean i kinda relate to some of the things she's saying because I'm sex positive asexual which means i don't enjoy sex for myself but i do like to please my partner and enjoy the emotional closeness. However i feel like if you're not asexual maybe you shouldn't feel that way as a woman? lol?
Edit: not the end part tho lol just to be clear never have sex if you don't wanna Jesus Christ
holy shit this guy just does not see her as a human being. She is a christian wife first and foremost to him and a person second. That's crazy to see, hope she gets out of this!!
In purity culture that's exactly what its taught. Women are to submit to their husbands as that is the hierarchy. As Jesus/The Lord is the head of the Church the Husband is the Head of the Household, and everyone must respect and be in their place in that hierarchy.
You should check out Morgan's music videos from before she was with Paul.
Yeah, she wasn't a virgin when she got married.
(Morgan Hawley, night is young)
@@razzle8140 yeah she mentions that but I'm not sure why it matters could you tell me?
i do feel bad for her but i can't give her full empathy because of how violently transphobic she is
@@earharted transphobes don't deserve good sex 💕
theres definitely an issue with female pleasure and enjoying sex in christian marriage. my old church did promote the idea that even if you didn't necessarily want to have sex, it was part of your duty as a wife to please your husband, so they didn't get other urges. ergo if they cheat on you its because you didn't have enough sex with them.
they also liked to say that everytime you had sex with someone outside of marriage, you lost part of your soul to them? so when you got married you wouldn't have the full magical connection with them. they talked alot about sex for a church..
that’s so weird, but also explains why so many christian men cheat; they’re taught this bullshit.
dude i heard metaphors like your virginity is a bracelet you're giving to your future husband and every act you do with someone that's not him is like taking a bead off the bracelet that shit was unhinged
@@bimpadimp Ours was a flower’s petals 🤢
so what youre saying is sex outside of marriage = horocruxes 🤔🤔 /j
(*whorecruxes)
Did you heard the bubblegum or the apple metaphor
I used to always hate sex until I got with my current partner. To anyone who also does it to appease their partner-hope is not lost and you’re not broken. It takes healing from past trauma and the right person. My heart aches for this girl
This is extremely relatable for me and I know it is for Morgan. She enjoyed s3x when it was with her past partner.... Paul needs a lot of therapy (I know Morgan does too and needs to get back on her meds but geez Paul literally admitted to coercion)
I barely ever enjoy sex. Still waiting and looking, I guess
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I had two really bad partners that I slept with. I am still unable to sleep with my current partner because of it, but thankfully they are very understanding about it and never pressure me to do anything. I hope one day I can also heal from those experiences as you have
i read this ¨i used to always hate hate sex¨ (bc i'm stupid dumby fart face) and was extremely confused for a hot sec
I was laughing and cringing at first, but then when she kept going on about how she wasn't satisfied or receiving affection outside of the bedroom, I just got kinda sad. A relationship like that sounds awful.
"you ignored my feelings even though you were aware of them." so she's supposed satisfy you and please you, even tho she obviously didn't want to after the argument? are christian wives really supposed to satisfy their husbands even when they don't want to? that's absolutely ridiculous. women aren't objects. you're not entitled to that stuff. you don't just get whatever you want, when you want. your wife's feelings should matter too. she's a person too. god, this video ended up really upsetting me.
@@spoiledsweet362 no, Christian wives are not expected to do that biblically. The Bible says wives are a partner, a complement (she's strong where he's weak and vice versa). Fundamentalist teachings say that women are property and are beneath their husband, including having little value outside marriage and baby making. They twist the Bible to satisfy their greed and narcissism.
@@spoiledsweet362 Yeah apparently it's not good when she ignores his feelings, but she should ignore her own feelings because he feels entitled to sex. Shit's wild.
@@spoiledsweet362 It has nothing to do with the religion, honestly. It's just how he chooses to think. Dude is extremely entitled and acts like the world is his alone. He's just a selfish prick honestly, and it's entirely because of himself. Idk why she's still with him.
@@4m0ris i’m pretty sure most christian men are trained to think that they’re owed s3x from their wives. i’ve heard many christian men speak of their wives as if they’re property. i grew up with very christian grandparents, so i’ve seen how this stuff goes.
Came for a roast of bad sex advice, ended up watching a very awkward public marital arguement
LITERALLY
ikr it's obvious she's resentful and unsatisfied but doesn't want to ruin her fantasy world
PLEASE-
but it is kinda sad tbh...
@@everything5066 I don't really think it's about "her fantasy world", that girl is being abused and doesn't even understands how much
And probably a rape confession (possibly)
to anyone wondering why she kept laughing so much, it’s because she was uncomfortable. women are socialized in a way that discourages loud or big emotions, encourages subservience and politeness, and centers male comfort. having internalized years of feminine socialization, in situations where men who are bigger and/or older than you are making you uncomfortable, your body wants to release that nervous energy, but you can’t yell at him, you can’t run away, and you can’t cry, so you laugh.
1000%
You actually explained it very well.
yeah 100% her uncomfortable laughs were making me so sad there’s so much going on behind that.
Since I was socialized as a girl as a trans guy I totally still do this even though I present as a guy most of the time bc im uncomfortable
i love this comment
him telling her to "humble herself" makes my blood BOIL dude holy shit.
he's literally expecting her to cater to his needs only and IGNORING her feelings about how HE upset her. even though he's upset in the video that she's "ignoring" his horniness because HE HURT HER 🙄 i hate christian men who feel entitled to their wife's body just because they are married. i hope she wakes up and realizes she needs to divorce this man child for her own well-being
That video was WILD. Bro fr had a visceral, overwhelming response to not having sex. Also the way he talks about it being "taken away" from him just further drives the idea that their sex life is abhorrently one-sided in his favour. Also the way he gets mad about her knowing he wanted sex is genuinely scary. He's acting like she owed her sex and that she was wrong for not getting it to him. I hope she escapes that marriage ASAP.
A lot of churches do teach that women are to “submit to their husbands” and basically that husbands are owed sex. It’s really, really gross.
He's gonna pull a qanon on her I'm sure.
It’s definitely abusive marriage.
yeah i hope she gets out this is genuinely sad. church has brainwashed her to believe this is normal and okay and that that’s just the role God expects women to play.
I don't know, I feel for him in a way. He has a bigger sex drive than he knew was possible before marriage.
But neither of them are willing to give up their Christian reigns and blinders. So they're fitting themselves into boxes they aren't meant for.
I've totally felt what he's describing. I've had to go and leave and take a long hard walk because of not having sex. But then, I'm not trying to be someone I'm not and not trying to stay put in relationships where our sex drives don't match.
jesus christ that man is a walking definition of abuse. Literally thinking he's entitled to sex when she is too upset?? GUILTTRIPPING her and making HER feel like she's the one who needs to "humble" herself??? Saying that people should have sex anyway to please him when they don't want it? My dude that is called rape. literally what the hell. This guy is an actual monster.
When he was talking about it. I almost thought he was going to admit to forcing himself on her. I’m so serious. It was so uncomfortable.
Bro fr like the way he expects sex and when she refuses it's HER FAULT?? Its so frustrating to see people like this that either don't get education on these topics or just don't care which is awful.
Also so sorry for the topic change but that profile picture is so cute😭
No one asked sarah you are talking to your non-existent friends and dad that never came back 😭😭😭😭
@@QuinnThomasFootball Found the dude who keeps women drier than the Sahara desert.
@@QuinnThomasFootballok buddy, have fun wondering why women won't date you
Their video quickly went from being "what we wish we knew before sex (rated PG)" and turned into "the problems in our marriage that we can't talk about (without getting into an argument)."
“what we wish we knew about each other” (live)
Ignore my wife challenge (she cried) (wholesome)
It's almost like you should take time to know who and what you're getting into BEFORE you marry them 😂
@@charliedeegan1598Cant do that if you don’t believe sex before marriage
Her: could you put the tiniest bit of effort into this relationship
Him: BOOKS BOOKS BOOKS BOOKS BOOKS
i'm so sad for her. she has been so brainwashed to think that this is normal or healthy at all. at the same time- I'm frustrated that she's promoting this and encouraging other young girls to essentially force themselves to be intimate even when they don't want to.
Coercion is rape, and every type of non-enthusiastic consent is blurred lines. We shouldn't tell young girls anything else, if you don't want to do it 100%, like even if you're 50/50, just wait and think about it more. The sex and emotional aftermath never feels good when you settle or compromise for someone else
I also think that it's weird and gross as fuck that he literally does not care if she wants to do it or not. Doing the sex is more important to him than her feelings or volition and that's the grossest thing.
tbh i think she’s so deep in it that she doesn’t even know what’s she’s doing is wrong, this is all she knows
@@chefboyardee5273 I was just coming here say the same thing!
She just gave birth. Even if she ever realized, she's never gonna be fully rid of him.
If anyone needs to hear this: You do not owe anyone sex! It doesn’t matter if they paid drinks, dinner, if you said yes earlier or (and I can’t believe I need to say this) if you’re married. You can always say NO at any moment if something makes you uncomfortable. Stay safe!
YES
marital rape was literally legal until very recently, it's no wonder the mindset is still lingering
@@cdw2468 where I live it became a crime 29 years ago. That's more than enough time for people to figure it out and change their mindset. They just choose not to.
@@elleembee6335 i understand what you mean but unfortunately that's not how things work. If someone was not raised to understand consent and thought taking advantage of someone was okay, having rape become illegal after those core values have been instilled doesn't just make those ideas go away. These people now have to relearn and recondition themselves to understand what consent is. If they have years of thinking one way, it will take years of mental rehab.
@@smeneses575 I don't think that's they deserve any sympathy no matter their background. What I'm saying is that it wasn't recent. There's been plenty of time for people to change, they just choose not to. The law obviously doesn't change the behavior of people who choose to hurt others and think of their spouse as their property. Using how recent the law was as an excuse holds no water.
In the last ten years there's been a significant conversation about consent and education as to what that means. At this point, if they're still doing it, there's no excuse.
My parents had lawn darts but I don't because they're illegal. My parents left me to raise my siblings at age 10 but I didn't do that because it's illegal (and awful parenting). My parents treated my sister and I as though we were worth less than our brother, it was ingrained in us, but we didn't raise our children that way. My mother was irrational and violent with me, constantly berating me and treating me like a servant. I learned that those things weren't ok and that I shouldn't have to live like that or make my kids live like that, so I didn't continue the cycle of abuse. There's no excuse.
I love how he is getting the information from books and “articles” about sex and pleasure instead of from his WIFE who has had sex before. Not going to ask her what she likes, that’s emasculating to him. She is repeatedly saying that she wants foreplay in every possible way.
I'm guessing he listens to her in the bedroom but on camera he's playing it off
@@MellowJelly what about ANYTHING that happens in the video tells you that he listens to her
And every time he talks about reading books, especially when he says he's going to go out and find MORE books to read to find out how to please her better (when that clearly hasn't worked up until now)... she's doing everything short of literally just rolling her eyes at him. This man is so self-centered and oblivious to everyone's feelings but his own
Vanilla sex for woman can be painful especially at first. What she’s saying makes me think that she is going through this because of such a lazy, selfish oaf of a man who won’t bother to make her feel good or at least comfortable.
I grew up in the church and was always told not to have sex until marriage but now that I’m 23 and have came out as asexual they are now pushing me to have babies 🤦♀️
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That's the thing they always contradict themselves.
"Don't have sex till marriage!"
"I don't want to get married or have sex."
"WHAT? THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE GET MARRIED NOW AND MAKE BABIES OTHER WISE YOU ARE A DISAPPOINTMENT!!!"
or
"I want to have a baby but not get married."
"YOU FILTHY WHORE!!! A DISGRACE IN THE NAME OF GOD!!!'
@@danrandlehandle wtf is your problem?
@@AussieLeftist okay I don’t remember writing this and I would never write this so imma assume I started a reply and fucked it up. Totally support this person and fuck the church
@@AussieLeftist I’m guessing he means she should leave the CHURCH 😅. I read it the wrong way first though and totally get the reaction lol
It's really funny to me how Morgan is basically so unbothered by the one time she refused sex because she was upset. She was like "yeah I'm not having sex with you I was mad at you" and that's like a revelation to him? Like? How did you think that was gonna go buddy
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Ive noticed something about that... First of all, over years of seeing their content, I strongly believe Morgan is a victim of religious abuse. I don't want to have that judgement when I don't know them personally but they make it soooo hard to see their relationship any differently. But it really seems like (in my opinion) she opens up and says this stuff to Paul for the 1st time only when she's on camera because off camera he reacts in a toxic or abusive way. So if she says it on camera, she gets a chance to explain more, soften the blow, etc.
She has dropped some thinly veiled hints many times and other signs, including them arguing in a leaked clip or a live, supports that being the case.
@@GlitterBot5000Can't like because reasons... that are funny, like you, funny reasons, me funny with reasons, but know I do enjoy your reply.
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@@BeeTeaDubs 😂
@@BeeTeaDubsIts strange because like Beth and Kristen, they talked about the abuse they’ve had in the secular community, particularly the entertainment industry. So their option is to go into the other end? Its reached the point where its just as bad but they cant admit it since its what their livelihood is made up of.
To be fair to Beth and Dav, they are getting closer to realizing it, especially Dav. Beth is still WIP, but can go either way.
Paul gives me the creeps. The way he looks at the camera and Morgan with such empty eyes, the language he uses (sex being "taken" from him, like a child getting their tablet "taken" away as punishment), and the way he is delusional enough to think ha can be an authority on absolutely anything. These sheltered men are children with the strength of a grown man which is scary.
men like him always act like women saying "no" to them are taking away their rights to have sex, go on a date, etc💀
that last line is so true
Paul is scary, and the fact that they can't seem to communicate as a couple is insane
Yes!!!!
@@bzuku9554 those same men always say "not all men" when THEY ARE THOSE MEN
Hearing her ask for emotional intimacy from her HUSBAND and her husband acting like a Literal Child about Everything is like pulling teeth
she probably suggests something to try and he’s like “the books don’t say that, idk if we should babe”
It’s almost like he bases his entire life on the old rules and stories from an old book written by a people and culture far removed from him. A book written by people in a time where those rules made sense then, but not anymore…….yeah, he sucks!
Ps. I’m a Catholic, but I’m not a crazy person. Some people need to chill.
This is a genuinely worrying relationship, like I'm actually scared that this dude is going to abuse her because of how entitled he is
yeah :/
he's already sexual abusive. coercive r*pe is a form of abuse... manipulation & gaslighting are too. it sucks even more because he can use the bible - a book written by a bunch of men - to justify his disgusting ideas on marriage.
Sounds like he already is tbh
He already is, you can tell by how little he values consent
@@DollfaceLizkah straight up
@@DollfaceLizkah and how he is delusional enough to think someone wants to have sex after fighting with the other person and they haven't even made amends yet. truly sickening. sounds like he puts 0 emotion or care into sex which seems like her main issue with it. These types of guys are just placeholders going through the motions of life and not actual life partners.
Paul: blue balled after a regular couple fight, driving aimlessly on a lone country road, a single sexless tear running down his cheek
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Sexless tear😭😭😭
Gshsgsgsgsgsgs I'm DYING!!!
Ok i know this is off topic but i just flashed back to supernatural "a single man tear" song
LMFAOOOOOO THIS COMMENT KILLED ME 😭😭😭😭😭😭
They need a nice, wholesome, Christian divorce.
Lol facts.
HELP
Amen
Honestly I feel so bad for Morgan whenever I watch them. She seems like a happy, bubbly person who got roped into a cult
Nahh, just cause you don't agree with them doesn't mean that they should get divorced 🤷🏽♀️
Wild prediction: they'll be divorced in 5 years and she'll date women.
The good ending lol
Yoo I thought I was buggin, she does gives off such strong lesbian vibes 😭😭
God please
@@Nicole_11 she is indoctrinated though and divorce is probably not part of god’s plan according to them
I really hope so because the alternative is her living a life of being abused
as a girl who was around very entitled men my whole life, I recognized her nervous laughing immediately. You can’t get anger or you’ll shatter their world view. they’ll completely break and you’ll have to deal with the aftermath. So all you can do is laugh. I react the same way when I’m uncomfortable around men so I’m just really worried for her.
One time this kid that rode my bus randomly got off at my bus stop and said he lived that way too (I knew he didn’t bc he’d never gotten off there before and it was a dead end street too) and walked with me and was trying to get with me or something despite me telling him I had a boyfriend and saying that no, I didn’t want to also have someone on the side just bc they live closer(bf lived 30 minutes away). And I was awkward laughing and he goes “oooh she smiled she’s thinking about it” like no dude I’m just trying to get home
yeah awkward laughing is often "I'm uncomfortable, this situation needs to stop." as someone with social anxiety and has been forced to socialize in things I can't deal with, it means "get me out me out here I don't like this!" Yeah people think being nice means you want more but you just don't want anything negative. Someone once told me I was terrible because I tried standing up for myself (it was actually also in the middle of a family situation.) And no one should ever be forced into anything at all ever
Yup and people wonder why I get nervous easily
right?!
all this sounded pretty familiar to me, and how uncomfortable she was felt so familiar.
it went from watching silly dumb overly conservatives talking about sex for laughs to me going "holy fuck, holy fuck, oh my gosh, holy fuck" and being legitimately worried for her.
Now I see why some men hate me. Cause I'm a very direct person. 😳
His tone change when he says “so you knew?” Is absolutely terrifying
no fr like wtf...
SERIOUSLY BRO
I can't believe they recorded this, played it back, edited, and uploaded this thinking that was a good part to include. I mean their whole video in general sucks, but that was a scary part.
@@kitsunemeansfox 25:15
i was actually terrified.
I feel terrible because while Paul was being a big baby about not getting sex, Morgan was upset because they had a fight and that fight hadn’t been resolved.
Paul only cares about himself and his own pleasure, while Morgan is trying to keep the actual relationship going.
Exactly. It’s one thing to be frustrated because you had planned on intimate time and got derailed by a fight. It’s another thing altogether to have the opinion that you should have sex despite having said fight.
Men moment
this is unintentionally really good relationship advice. perfect example of an unhealthy relationship. shows you EXACTLY what to avoid
YES
But to be honest: Is this advice worth seeing a woman stuck in a relationship like that? It makes me so sad for her :(
I hope she makes it out of there and with that in mind, we can all enjoy additional knowledge
Her laughing so much about basically being assaulted (being pressured/coerced is assault) is breaking my heart. This is not how you deal with that trauma, honey!
she's laughing because she's uncomfortable :( especially when it's being publicly posted online, it's difficult for people in uncomfortable situations to express their discomfort openly. his change in tone when he realized she was "brazenly ignoring his feelings" was scary and i cant imagine how it is when they're alone
I’m sure she doesn’t even REALIZE it either, I bet she’s confused as to why it bothers her when she probably thinks that it shouldn’t. The whole thing is so damn sad, and what is worse is the guy is clearly completely unwilling to change ...
She vomited at the altar at their wedding. Said it was just nerves.
@@Maialeen that’s right!!! And I will say, when I grew up in purity culture, I felt like sex was just as scary and nauseating to me as it sounds like it is for Morgan :(
I mean to be fair she was clearly actively seeking out this type of relationship. She seems much more aware than Paul but she wasn’t aware enough to not get married after 4 months. Hard to get context from this video but she pretty clearly made some very unaware decisions as well. Sucks that so many men have absolutely zero emotional development
Imagine reading a book on how to please YOUR WIFE instead of asking her. And saying that while she is sitting right next to you. 🤣
Because only another dude can clue you into being better at it, not some dumb woman! /s
While I completely agree that's something you should talk to your partner about, she honestly could of had no clue what to tell him even if he did ask. Masturbating is a sin to them. She also said sex doesn't mean that much to her, so even more indication that she had probably had very few orgasms prior to her christian marriage. As someone who grew up in a sexually repressed environment I couldn't even make myself finish ALONE, much less with someone else, until I was almost 21 years old (sorry I know TMI but it feels relevant). Women's bodies are more complicated when it comes to sex and it's got to be sooo hard to flip the switch from being shamed and sex repulsed to being your husband's personal flesh light. I honestly feel really bad for her, she is brainwashed.
@@sonofabatchobrownies i feel like women are expected to not talk about these things because they are “unlady like” too! If asked by my bf to tell him what i like, i get shy and uncomfortable asking for what i want even though hes asking because of the way i was raised to be a lady. So I really have no problem with this dude reading the book on how to please her, still think he is a big problem
Books can be a great resource, but nothing is a replacement for talking to your partner. Also, the books that'll help are the ones by sex counselors/therapists etc., not the smut and/or christian purity stuff that he's probably reading
LITERALLY 😭
A possibility that I don't think is being discussed enough is that Morgan doesn't necessarily dislike sex in general, but she just wants to feel loved by the person she's having sex with, particularly because he's her husband. It sounds a lot to me like he just treats her like a conduit for his own pleasure, projects his feelings onto her, and ends up having very one-sided sex without even realizing she wasn't happy with it. And she seems put off by how little agency and intimacy she gets in her own sex life 😅
yeah she kept bringing it back to their emotional connection and i was like,, that's gonna be an iusse whether or not you have sex (even if having sex just amplifies that neglected feeling). if her emotional needs were being met on a regular basis, i just feel like there shouldn't be a huge disconnect of sex and an emotional connection?? but if youre in a relationship where your partner isn't listening to your emotional wants, ofc you're gonna feel like the sex doesn't have an emotional connection.
idk i don't wanna therapize them since idk them and don't have the qualifications lol but it definitely felt like they had emotional/communcation issues besides just the sex dynamics
Especially given that she has obviously put a lot of thought and emotional energy into investing in purity bullshit given that she's repented/born again. She's been in a position where her faith and belief in the importance of sex is held as secondary to someone like him who has been "good" his whole life and then to essentially be faced with the fact that he is in fact full of the mustard disregard that she was told was sinful must be very confusing.
It did feel like Nick was missing the mark a bit on that point by focusing on the fact that she “didn’t enjoy the physical sex part” when I honestly very much understand the experience of not understanding the physical sensation of sex without the emotional connection over the top of it
Yeah like literally the only build up she could think of was cuddling or have a deep conversation and so it kinda makes me think there's absolutely no foreplay at all. Like he just walks up to her, shows her he's hard, and she just turns over so he can have sex with her like omg omg omg that's so bad!!
Yes! Exactly! He doesn't care if she's unhappy and doesn't want it because HE wants it, so she just needs to "humble" herself and fucking submit to him using her body?! It's disgustingly selfish and unloving! It feels so clear and simple!
The saddest thing is that Morgan seemingly knows excatly what kind of person Paul is, but she's constantly trying to gaslight herself into thinking it's an ideal marriage. One of the many harms Christianity does to people.
Please stop blaming Christianity for every cat peeing in your shoes.
Evil can be done by bad people calling themselves Christians, not by Christianity itself. I mean, the way their marriage is going is NOT what Chrstianity teaches. As a matter of fact, the Bibel says it's NOT okay if, for example, a husband uses his wife for his own pleasure without caring about the wife's feelings.
@@AsrielDremurrBomj Yea but sadly a lot of people do things in the name of Christianity whether they go against the bible or not, and you can’t deny that a lot of Christian’s have build a culture that allows these things to happen and will be defended by the church
@@AsrielDremurrBomj okay but Christians are literally the ones blaming their actions on Christianity. Then you get mad at others for calling it out 😂 wtf. Do you know how many Christians preach about "wives serving their husband, being subservient" etc? You can't get mad at people for calling out what Christians say they are doing in the name of Christianity. If enough of y'all say it, seems like it IS being done in the name of Christianity. Also this couple specifically says they do these things because of religion. So regardless of what you think, the comment was accurate. Even if the entirety of other Christians DON'T, this couple still DOES.
@@AsrielDremurrBomj Of course not all christians, because they are a religion with millions of believes and each one has their own interpretation of the bible and follow different braches.
But that doesn't remove that the couple in the video have a Christian TH-cam channel to talk about said religion in their lives, and this includes intimacy. And their toxic behaviours are justified by their interpretation of the bible.
@@AsrielDremurrBomjthe problem is, because of the rule that you can’t have sex before marriage, lots of Christian’s rush into marriage in order to have sex (like this couple). And because divorce is so fucking hard to get as a Christian, if it turns out one of them is abusive, or overall they don’t work together, they’re kinda stuck
i feel like paul got married and just thought “i’m gonna be able to have sex whenever and wherever i choose and my wife has to oblige cuz she’s my wife” like no paul that’s not how sex in marriage works even if ur christian or if ur not it goes both ways
That is not what Evangelical Christianity (emphasis on Evangelical) teaches and what purity culture pushes. He believes that because he's been raised his entire life with that expectation. Under their belief system she should be subservient to him and submit to his desires. The phrase "As Jesus is the head of the church so is the Husband and Father the head of the household" is a very common refrain in Evangelical Christianity so they literally put married men on par with Jesus and disobedience is sinful.
His "mistake" was he married a woman who had been in the world and became a born again virgin, if he'd married some poor woman who had been raised under the same circumstances as him he would be getting exactly what he wanted at her expense. Instead he (thankfully) has a wife with an independent streak.
I thought in the church a man is allowed to have unconsenting sex with his wife just because they're married. So he might be basing it off of that. Idk they teach really fucked up shit in the church. I think for a long time marital rape wasn't even punished because of our puritanical morals.
@@milhousevanhoutan9235 that's what so frustrating. ughhh
That and also I think he thought she was gonna be a “slut” for him since she wasn’t a “virgin”. He felt he was being so charitable by marrying an “unclean” woman, and he thought by making that “sacrifice” that he would deserve and be entitled to what he perceives as his just reward (sex). It’s quite grotesque.
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There is truly no religious phrase that disgusts me more than ‘humble yourself’. It’s always somebody from a position of more power speaking to somebody with less power and straight up telling them ‘I know you don’t want to do this, but you should put up with it and just do what I tell you.’
I'm a Christian and I just wanted to throw out the perspective that is biblical for people to at least know that there are actual Christians not part of the purity movement who disagree so strongly with whats seen here. The way the word humble its used here is so demeaning and derogatory. The husband is supposed to care for his wife more dearly than his own life and so much of that is being humble and seeing her needs as greater than your desires and your own needs. And while I think humility should be expressed and excersised by both parties its crazy manipulative and evil to leverage humility to raise yourself over your wife. That's not supported by the Bible.
Humbling oneself is only really a thing if you're being particularly arrogant. Kind of like the expression "get off your high horse". It's not intended to be used in such a repulsive manner.
Sex should be a shared experienced not a servile one.
@@ivetterodriguez9628 Yeah, it's something we should all be seeking to do because our hearts are inherently proud. But in marriage it's the responsibility of the husband to lead his wife spiritually. This is a responsibility not a command to women to be lead. And in this case rather than telling his wife she needs to humble herself he should be telling men to do so. Every verse in the Bible that directs husband's to be the "head" of the married couple compares the husband to Jesus who was worthy of all worship but who instead denies that for the sake of his church by dying for her. The important thing here is that this type of leadership is one that isn't to be taken lightly. Any man who takes advantage of his wife is in need of deep humility and understanding that headship is a responsibility to lead by example. I hope that all makes sense. There are so many bad examples of mean from churches misunderstanding and misrepresenting what hesdship is. Also it's not something to be flaunted and every couple is able to approach this in their own way. The important thing is that both husband and wife understand they and their spouse are imperfect, but by loving eachother through that they are able to mirror God's love for the people he created
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Oh my YES, it’s too true it hurts
lol "I felt like a virgin"...he was that bad huh 💀
HAHAHA
That shii kilt me💀💀
As I read this That Madonna song came to mind lol
The "praise the lord" gave me whiplash lmao
I was thinking the same 💀
the craziest thing to me isn’t his perspective, but rather the fact that HER perspective on consent and everything is SO foreign to him 😭 like it’s never crossed his mind that if one person doesn’t want to have sex, you don’t have sex
About the "scheduling of sex" thing I think I remember Morgan saying (or its just something Christian trad wifes mention alot) that because there was often times where he would want sex but she wouldn't be in the mood most the time so they would schedule what days they would have sex so she could mentally prepare herself, knowing what was going to happen that day even if she really didn't want to
That’s so gross whaat
and a lot of people who were r*ped had to do the same thing: mentally prepare themselves for something they didn't want. i had to do it too.
I was about to comment about this she literally says "he wants sex way more than she does, or she wants sex way less than he does..or more" and I💀
I'm sorry, MENTALLY PREPARE??? That sounds absolutely horrifying
That’s just so sad because I schedule sex because I recently got off my birth control so we plan when it’s low and use protection and don’t have sex when I’m ovulating. And I plan because there’s nights I don’t have my son. Or we haven’t in a while so we wanna set aside a time to. But to be like “he keeps wanting to fuck and I don’t wanna so I am gonna set a day or days to satisfy him to leave me alone”
"Humble yourself and just have sex with me." Bro humble YOURSELF and accept no for an answer !?!? She went on a whole monologue about how for her sex is supposed to be just as much about emotional intimacy and dude wants her to just give it up even if she's mad at him. He definitely ruined sex for her.
"Bro I barely know you" is a response a lot of women raised in purity culture feel on the "honeymoon night", women have reported feeling violated even after consensual relations because the expectation is to '"never do anything" unless you're married and then to suddenly "do everything" when you become married (ignoring that a lot of the cultural conditioning that tells women that they need to be "of service" to their husbands within this setting). Because sexy relations are so stigmatized, people (especially women) will unconsciously hold onto internalized beliefs that sexuality is disgusting instead of a natural thing all humans go through, let alone exploring that within themselves.
YES!!! THAT FCKING PART!! Before it’s not okay but now that I’m married all is okay?? when I dont even know what all is? Let alone what makes me feel good and can actually make this enjoyable for the both of us?? Bruh if I would’ve stayed in the church with that mindset and would’ve gotten married I would be so miserable oh my goodness
I left behind purity culture when I was 18, but this still holds true for my relationships even though I didn't stay abstinent. I had a lot of moments when I just had to stop or ended up disassociating because I had intense feelings of shame. This could even happen on my own if penetration is involved.
wow, imagine, who would have thought that shit's toxic as fuck, who knew
That's true, but also both men and women are not taught to expect female pleasure to be a factor. The female body doesn't work that way.
Sheila Wray Gregoire did some research into sex lives of Christian women, and how different teachings affect female pleasure and sexual functionality.
Dude, I feel so bad whenever I see anybody talk about these two. It is so dang painfully obvious that Morgan’s needs AREN’T being met at all. Like, every single video I’ve seen of these two is Morgan making some solid points, and Paul talking down to her.
It breaks me.
There is actually a video on their page where they describe how on their wedding day Morgan ran off at the altar sick (she has anxiety issues) and Paul didn’t go after her or check on her or anything. He was mainly standing at the altar concerned about the wedding and not so much his then-future wife. The pastor actually noticed something was wrong before he did
omg that's really, really bad
Which video is that? Now I'm curious.
Did they not know each other at all before they got married?? 😭
@@vanillameringues Yah they didn't; they were only with each other for like a few months LOO
@@CANINETHEROPY yeah that’s true 😭😭 I cannot imagine
he heard her talk about how sex is more pleasurable and fulfilling when shes emotionally invested (she mentioned conversation, massage, etc) and then proceeded to say he expects sex after a bad argument anyways. huh??
u r so right
This literally sent chills down my spine. The way his tone shifted when she said she knew he was about when they didn’t have sex and then the way he said you should have sex with your partner anyway when you’re upset with them and don’t want to while she awkwardly laughed and defended herself was terrifying. And that they will be bringing children into that situation where the boys will be led to believe they are owed sex and the girls being taught that they don’t deserve to control their own body is so sad. To act like losing your bodily autonomy is gods will is sickening.
Yeah I hope thats the only abuse she has to endure
Very much so reminded my of my marriage. Those two years felt like twenty. I hope Morgan gets away from him.
here is some serious sex advice: only have sex when BOTH of you want it. It's ok to try to get each other in the mood. You can dress up, dirty talk, cuddling, kissing etc. whatever works for you BUT neither of you should ever feel pressured to have sex. It should never feel like its a "have to" or an expectation. And never get upset with your partner when they aren't/can't get into the mood. Just talk to each other. Don't read books about your relationship issues, don't go to friends and ask them just go to YOUR partner and be open and honest with each other always. If anyone has any questions I'm right here!!
Content warning: SA
"Humbling yourself" and having sex when you don't want to may please your partner at the time, but *you're hurting yourself in the long run.*
When you're intimate and don't want to be, your brain doesn't know that you're technically consenting; your brain just knows "I don't want to be doing this" and *will process the event the same as it would process assault.*
Any decent partner would choose you *not traumatizing yourself* over pleasuring them if they understood the mental damage caused by consenting when you don't want to
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Same thing happened to me and you don’t realize it at the time but your brain clicks it as an assault afterwards. In the moment you are just waiting for it to be over and you kinda disassociate (probably is different for others)
Every time I’ve had sex just because my partner wanted to I always felt awful during and after. Just downtrodden and disrespected, even if they didn’t push me or do anything crazy. It just felt wrong.
Well put, thank you
thank u!!! the signs of sexual coercion are so obvious
they really used the video as their own therapy session to passive aggressively tell each other "hey, this isn't working and our sex life is absolutely awful" and i don't know how to feel about it 💀
Most of their videos are like some passive aggressive sessions
Like, they seem to be completely unaware that pressuring/forcing/ guilting your spouse into sex is marital rape. It really sounds like he is doing that, and it's so uncomfortable
I have to imagine this is incredibly common among religious couples, especially the more devout ones. As far as religion is concerned, marriage is not a partnership, no matter what they tell you. It's an ownership. And because the husband effectively owns the wife, she must therefore do whatever is asked of her, regardless of her own feelings.
It's fucking disgusting.
@@Manigeitora There's also a tenet in Christianity that you should have sex with your spouse whenever they ask for it; back when I regularly attended church (grew up devoutly Christian), there was a whole subsection of the sermon in which the pastor addressed this, and that the only exception was like if you were sick or something. But it was so uncomfortable to listen to because I feel like anyone with two brain cells could tell that the verse isn't saying what they think it's saying.
With the whipped cream story, it goes to show that he assumed that how that she's his wife that he can bring what ever fantasies into the bedroom and she's going to be ok with it. That boundaries don't matter anymore because she's his wife. I'm glad he learned that lesson early on but I hope he continued to keep it in mind.
I can't believe this started off as 'advice' and then just trainwrecked into a barely veiled couples counseling session
FR like cut the camera 😭😭
ye what was the advice even? did i forget or was there no advice ever lol
@@edelleaa "don't expect it to be good at first... uh don't expect it to be like the books... anyway let's argue about our source of resentment in this relationship showing that we have no right to be giving advice about this"
@@koolaidkeira *deadass*
@Amaris Nikini🌙 damnit you beat me to it
I hate that the entire message of their video was “women, just LET yourself be assaulted.” Because holy moly. That is exactly what we are told both indirectly and directly by society constantly throughout our entire lives. More people don’t need to be giving out r*p* advice like this. Holy mother of Gormu. What the actual hell is going on and why isn’t he being arrestedddd!
What is gormu???
& yeah it’s so sad. I feel truly bad for all the women who suffer from this sort of message and even believe it themselves because it is all they’ve ever been told. It’s especially common in religious households & areas.
@@hommefataltaemin Gormu is the “god” that nick and mr beard worship on their new podcast lol. On a serious note yes I completely agree with what you said.
THAT WAS EXACTLY THE MESSAGE OF THIS VIDEO
Seriously! I can’t believe that even with her saying that she can’t have sex after an argument he keeps going back and saying they should. It’s not something that can be argued if she keeps saying no. And how he kept saying having sex after an argument would ‘bless them’ to try and get her to agree with him. Ugh that’s so disgusting and manipulative. I’m glad she didn’t back down. A lot of people are saying he’s like a kid who got his toys taken away from him and really that’s so accurate.
When someone dont want sex one night for any reason, why would you get mad? Punishing your partner because they dont want to have sex will certainly not make them want to have sex with you more. It is abuse
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Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria is a thing that exists especially among people with ADHD. The emotions it can invoke are a mixture of anger, shame etc. Honestly what he describes sounds a lot like RSD but he kept bringing it back to sex so I'm not really gonna try to defend a client that keeps standing up and saying "I'm guilty!" in front of the jury.
@@milhousevanhoutan9235 Let’s be real though I have ADHD and experience RSD all the time, but when it comes to sex I understand it’s not something someone owes me or should do as a favor or “to be nice.” When it comes to social interactions or work environment I can understand the effect RSD can have one someone. But when it comes to anyone’s sex life? RSD shouldn’t even be brought up because it’s a matter of respecting your partner as a human being that also has wants and needs.
TL;DR Let’s not try to make excuses for objectively shitty behavior
@@milhousevanhoutan9235 she experiences rejection every time he ignores her thoughts, choices, & autonomy. why are you so quick justify coercive r*pe & side with him.
(& it doesn't matter whether their religion justifies it. religion was used to justify oppression based on race. it's still wrong when it's used to justify oppression based on gender.)
& there are tons of people with ADHD who don't act like him so like.... let's not do this lol
@@milhousevanhoutan9235 yeah hi, RSD haver here, it is a difficult challenge every day. it's also literally not a situation where this should be a defense because you should know damn well you have it going in, and not let that risk damaging your relationship?? you are so unbelievably gross for this comment.. I am so disgusted, we ADHDers have enough shit making things impossible this year already without people like you pretending like RSD is an excuse for whining about not getting laid. go sit in a corner. if you have RSD so bad you get rapey you need to not be around other people.
I CRACKED THE CODE
When he was so shocked that she knew he was mad and wanted sex but rejected him anyway, I know what was happening. And it's more sinister than any of the other analyses I've seen.
Paul read in one of his Sex Books™ that angry sex was more passionate and better than regular sex, so he got her angry ON PURPOSE in order to try and get her to have angry sex with him. The book probably failed to mention (or Paul didn't read it, let's be honest) that just because she's mad doesn't mean she WILL have sex with you no matter what.
SEX BOOKS TRADEMARK GOT ME ROLLING AHHH
Angry sex is too sophisticated for these completely non-sophisticated folk
They schedule their sex because of how much she doesn't like to have sex with him. Its insane that they think for a second that they're the people who should be giving sex advice
Scheduled sex is such a horrifically stale and forced regiment that shouldn't exist unless it's literally the person's kink
@@MellowJelly I get that it would genuinely work for people with very busy lives, kinda like scheduled dates, even more if the couples preferences in the bedroom need prep. But I also understand that when you're truly comfortable and emotionally connected with your partner it blooms spontaneously without the need to save the date, even when prep is needed. But sadly those last 2 things are missing in most Christian marriages because of how love and intimacy are taught in the church.
@@MellowJelly kink isn’t above criticism either. most kinks and fetishes are literally rooted in violence against women so the idea that ppl w kinks are some protected class that cannot b criticized is wrong
@@chefboyardee5273 thank you. I don't understand this whole business about "kink-shaming" because some of this shit is terrible and wrong. And I'm not anti-sex by any means, and yes people should be free to explore things beyond what is prescribed as 'appropriate' (e.g., missionary and/or vanilla sex) but no kink is above criticism, justified or unjustified
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And some of y'all just nasty. 🤢
I'm only 5 mins in... Don't tell me this is true 🤣😂👽
When he starts talking about how upset he is about not having sex, talking about "intimate moments being taken away" I do not buy it. He isn't upset about the emotional part, he just thinks he is entitled to her whenever he wants.
Yeah because it's not an intimate moment being taken away if the intimate moment was never there for her. It didn't exist so it can't be taken away. If he means kissing and hugging not escalating into more, then he's basically saying her kisses aren't worth shit unless she puts out after
He doesnt actually think its "intimate and beautiful", hes just pissed he didnt get pussy 😭😭 he doesnt care about how she feels at all or whether shes enjoying herself.
I hate his cap
someone should tell her if she isn’t into the physical moment she can just say no. suspect she’s too busy “being a good wife” to someone with years of pent up energy to enforce boundaries
women not pleasing their husbands is a big no no in christianity. she probably feels like she can’t say no
The transformed wife (a kind of Christian influencer in this sphere) compares sex with your husband to her obligation to clean the toilet and her husbands obligation to go to work and be the breadwinner. It's seen as a wife's duty in that model of traditional marriage.
@@imsmolandangery4274 urgh yeah she's absolutely awful, her husband too. I've seen people cover them before. It gets really dark
Its pretty hard to “just say no” when youre married to a man who is perfectly fine admitting that he gets so angry when he cant have sex that he wants to just get in his car and drive + tells her that she needs to HUMBLE HERSELF and have sex with him anyways. 💀 im all for encouraging women to speak up about their boundaries but its harder than “just say no”. She does say no. And he gets mad and shames her about it.
@@allyrae3344 that’s why i said someone should let her know that actually, you can say no, as a generic possibility that is allowable. i assume the rest of her social circle reinforces to her that his needs are first
the thing about "waiting for marriage" to have sex is that you have no clue if you're sexually compatible or not until after you're stuck in a legally binding relationship. and then people wonder why their spouses cheat on them because they never communicate their sexual needs.
Right? Yeah you have to be at least somewhat compatible.
That's a communication problem though. It's not like every couple is immediately sexually compatible most of the time couples work on it
@@athenajaxon2397 exactly, like you should work it out before getting married tho 💀 like you don't need to marry someone within a month of meeting them
@@citrinethecorgi they're too repressed to talk about it though 😭
YESSSS WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT
This has the most "are the straights ok?" energy I've ever seen
More like are the church kids ok lmao
We're not, thanks for asking 😂
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Do you even need to ask at this point?
@@CindyMartinez1one lmfaoooo
Him practically saying he deserved sex reminded me a lot of my ex and it is absolutely wild to me that people are like that. Women aren’t objects where YOU decide when sex is. I hope she realizes how fucked up and toxic this truly is
I doubt it. It's not just him who holds this view, it's everyone around her. She grew up with these beliefs and has no motivation to distance herself from them. And she often seems to hold 'more extreme' views than her husband, as well. Though they both seem to consider themselves were 'progressive'.
It's frustrating to watch/see
@@fentina
She didn't even grow up Christian she put herself here.
She was a degenerate and now she's a slave as is he.
Was way too real for me too, my ex used the exact same tactics as him. Was so hard to break out of that relationship, even though I knew I hated it. The gaslighting and guilting with that one was impressive
this feels like when you go over to a friend's house for dinner and you want them to pass the salt, but you don't want to interrupt their impending divorce.
Lmaoo
Hahaha best comment
Jayne's hat from Firefly?
@@alternatea4591 yes! I have a Star Wars TTRPG character that was basically Jayne, but a female Twi’lek. This is my (heavily photoshopped) cosplay.
Wife: "It sucks when the hypothetical man neglects the emotional aspect of the relationship, how about a snuggle or back rub once in a while?"
Husband: "I must go read a book to figure out why my wife seems upset right now."
This triggered me in a way where I had to fully stop working and almost cried. Especially when she said “sometimes even when you’re mad at your partner you still need to have sex” like. That is coercion love…
What’s even more upsetting is that she may not even have any idea that it is. The fact that she’s doing this, well aware that she’s not enjoying it but doing it because she knows her husband wants it is absolutely fucked up. It’s really depressing
Yeah, I mean, there are some people using withholding sex from their partner specifically as a punishment, and that's a bit screwed up (unless they're into that, I guess) but that's not nearly the same as not wanting to have sex with someone you're mad at. It's very natural not to want to be touched and physically close to someone you feel has hurt you in some way.
@@TheAwesomes2104 “withholding sex” doesn’t matter because you don’t owe anyone sex??
@@TheAwesomes2104 fym "withholding sex" ????? that is not a thing
@@nikkinnom to be fair to the commentator, i think they meant that "withholding sex" is sometimes a trope in movies and media where people (usually women) are openly saying they will not have sex with them although wanting to in order to coerce them to do something. Like a transaction. Not that I think anyone owes their body to anyone ever, but its still a very weird thing that I imagine could be hurtful the other partner to openly try to use sex as a bargaining chip.
It's not that she doesn't like him, she is laughing because she is scared and uncomfortable.
Because who wouldn't be?
I agree
This straight up screams that she doesn’t feel consistently loved AND that there’s no foreplay/she’s not getting off. He’s acting like he’s entitled to sex and her body.
Straight up screams rape to me...
I can't imagine thinking "I barely know you" about my partner after getting married, holy shit that's a yikes!! I've been with my bf for almost 2 years now and I still feel like there's a lot to go until marriage such as moving in together, etc. Marrying after 4 months of dating is fucking insane!!
Everything about this video was just so insane, and so terrifying!! The way that Paul got so visibly angry when Morgan said she recognized when he was upset that they weren't having sex that night - man was literally twitching, and then insists that she should concede and have sex with him even when she's angry??? Like, if you can't understand that you are not OWED sex, you should not be having it. And Morgan's awkward, hostage laughter the entire video... These people need a divorce.
“It would mean so much to me if you would roll over and touch me” WHY DON’T YOU DO THAT BRO??? Why is it on HER only? He’s so entitled that he not only thinks sex should just happen when he wants it, but he also expects her to do all the emotional work too… What a living hell!
It’s really sad that he see his own wife as an sexual object and not a real woman with feelings
GOD THIS FEELS SO AWKWARD! I genuinely wonder how they thought they could be giving anyone advice about this when it´s blatantly obvious they can´t even talk to each other
Yeah it's so awkward you could cut it with a knife. It's like a Lars Von Trier film.
They're gonna get divorced eventually and he's going to use his platform to start a male incel Christian podcast bc he just has 0 self awareness
I hope with everything in me they do get divorced. He’s a walking red flag and she deserves to live her life without shrinking herself down for him.
Yeppp
I'm banking on that he finds out that he also likes guys and there is a whole gay-sex parties fiasco or something. He is so repressed that he gets angry when he is denied sex from a previous fight, he has to have some more deep issues and fixations that are just waiting to cum to life.
I doubt it. He is gonna cheat on her and she will probably just take it. These people thrive off validation of the church
He actually complains that SHE is ignoring HIS emotions when she doesn't want to have sex while she's mad at him while he *completely* ignores her being mad at him??? You know, like, ignoring her emotions.
It is like borderline social commentary in and of itself that literally this married couple is about to have sex on their honeymoon but they're so nervous and awkward about it because they "barely know each other"... on their HONEYMOON
Yeah and we clearly see people with different needs and personalities that don't fit when it's about sex. So now she (especially her, because she's literally not satisfied at all and it seems like she's also not getting taken seriously by him, probably if she would speak about it he would get upset because he will have taken sex away from him again 🥴) is stuck in a marriage that she would have left it it was only a relationship to her because for her it makes a big difference and I don't think she sees a divorce as a possible way.
Thats why I think you should have sex before marriage.
it's fair if they didnt wanna have sex before marriage, valid choice. but the fact they didnt communicate AT ALL is ridiculous, not about expectations, what their boundaries are, just free falling into a honeymoon/marriage clearly neither of them prepared for.
I think Morgan is finally realizing she doesn’t wanna be with him
I Hope so!
I hope that she realizes that eventually though they did just have a kid. And he was a massive dick about her struggle with infertility calling her a bad wife, and lover, etc.
Ok so I work at an adult toy store, and the fact that shit like this is so common baffles me. Men will come in asking for products that will make their wives tighter, more sensitive, more excited, etc. and it’s weird. The worst was when some guy had asked if we had an aphrodisiac that he could easily apply to his wife without her noticing and I immediately told him to just leave the store. Another horrifying encounter was when a married couple asked me what the point of lube was….
I wish there was a sex store near me. I remember I was somewhere in ny and walked into the coolest for women/nb sex store. It was brightly and softly lit, dildos and vibratos on display, employees were super nice and chill. I was still a teenager so I was very shy, but if I had that store now??😂
It really is so horrifying. These men don't understand that by pressuring their wives and not providing any amount of foreplay or love is actively making the sex worse for both of them. Obviously the woman is not receiving the care and attention she deserves and can also be pretty hurt from there being no natural lubrication from being turned on, but my partner has told me that it feels better for them when I'm having my clit stimulated. It causes muscle contractions and more lubrication, which is better for everyone involved, but men like this feel like it isn't worth their time for their partner to have more enjoyment? It's so fucking crazy to me. Also, the comment about a couple not understanding what the lube is for is absolutely insane. Even sometimes when I'm really turned on, I still need lube. Either she is the epitome of WAP or she has become accustomed to having painful, dry sex. Ugh it makes me so sad and angry
it feels like a "POV: ur a marriage counselor and neither of them will let u get a word in"
"Yeah I wasn't having sex with you I was mad at you." She needs to talk to him like this more often.
So sad that she’s been brainwashed into thinking that’s not ok
@@Epic-so3ekshe is also probably afraid of him, especially after watching the end of the video. She laughed way to much to merely be annoyed or unconcerned, it was to soften what she knew would make him flip. You can see in his reaction he’s immediately pinning it on her and being coercive. It’s disgusting 🤢
I was also raised in a Christian household and i cannot tell you how many married women would ‘joke’ about how angry/upset/ annoyed their husband would get when they didn’t sleep together. Like his emotional well being was entirely wrapped up in her spreading her legs. Disgusting
I feel really bad for her… I hope one day she gets out of this toxic relationship
*abusive
You KNOW they had a full-on argument after shooting this video 😬
I got lowkey scared for Morgan when Paul kept on pushing the topic of not having sex after a fight. He got so posessive over the concept of it like it was his right and only his desire for sex was valid but her feelings weren't. He was pushing the line of consent so far. I may not like either of them but I would not want to see their relationship turn to marital rape...
Morgan’s laugh was so forced and she kept making other noises, she sounds really stressed about it too
It already has turned to that... Coercion isn't consent
@@PGOuma I mean from what it seems they don't have sex when Morgan is not in the mood after a fight but him going this heavy on the topic and trying to guilt trip her is extremely worrying.
Oh my god he is genuinely so disgusting. That he thinks sex can get “taken away” from him, prioritizes sex over how she feels (including after an argument??), that she feels pressured to have sex, he doesn’t think about her wants at all, accusing her of “not thinking about his emotions” when she didnt want to have sex. This is rancid. I hope shes okay.
It made me really mad when chat said “witch laugh” or “evil laugh” when she was awkwardly laughing because he made her uncomfortable
Exactly
It kinda sounded like an evil laugh tho tbh. I can see why people could misinterpret it that way. I also feel like she was lowkey legit laughing at how pathetically he was acting towards her lol
@@ruesylvester i would laugh at him too, cuz wtf. Disbelief. Though that could still be considered an awkward laugh
I don't even wanna imagine what they said to each other after filming this. This video literally gets crazier and crazier and the fact that they're ENCOURAGING THESE UNHEALTHY DYNAMICS TO THEIR AUDIENCE BROOOOO
So they recorded THAT and then agreed, Yeah, that is something the public should see. Let's upload it to youtube. Wow.
In another video they tried to say that in the beginning of their marriage he went too fast, and now he's a genius because he realizes he has to slow down, be tender, and wait for her arousal to catch up to his. I thought THAT video was wild, because he admitted it took him years to realize her body didn't work the same way as his. But now it's obvious their problems go a lot deeper than that.
Yet they both still think they can be models of the Christian lifestyle for thousands of young believers.
Admits in front of tens of thousands of people that he didn't stop for her when she was in pain and that that makes him a good husband.
Idk if it’s just me but “waiting till marriage” and then getting married four months after meeting kinda defeats the purpose of “waiting”.
Right, it's like the whole approach is backwards. Sex, when you get down to it, is really just biology. I understand people not wanting to engage in it before they know a person on a certain level for emotional and psychological reasons (I am very much in that camp), but when you hold it as this big prize to be unlocked after getting the marriage achievement - regardless of the quality of the relationship - it's just as meaningless as when you have sex with a stranger, because it's functionally the same thing. And clearly the relationship quality is subpar and a half with these two.
I think they'll say that you gotta get married as soon as possible, because the more you wait, the harder it'll be to "hold back" from having sex. That's why so many of them rush into marriage.
My friend, who's christian but like....normal, recently had her 'bachelorette' party (it was just afternoon tea at one of the bridesmaid's house, but the only gifts she got were lingerie) and at the end of it, all the married (christian) women there gave her sex advice, and they said the most batshit disgusting stuff ever. One of them said that the secret to keeping your marriage healthy was to 'do it all the time. Just do it and do it and do it, even if you don't want to, bc he will want to and if he's getting satisfied at home he won't look for satisfaction elsewhere. So do it a lot. You have to' and my friend just stared at her like 'okay...thanks 🙂' (bc like i said, she's normal, so she knows that's insane)
It's just crazy to me that that's how these people think. That sex sucks, but it's an obligation. So many of my childhood friends married soooo young bc they just wanted to fuck and that was the condition, and then they were fed the most disgusting advice by their elders that also got married young out of obligation, so they don't know shit either
it’s so upsetting knowing that she is actively being so traumatized but I have to give her props for arguing with him and not shutting down when he says she owes him sex