I wish I could walk up to people and sarcastically slow-clap at them but being that much of an asshole in real life takes an insane amount of confidence
Some kid did this to me in junior high after I did a presentation for a group project. He waited until the video was over and started slow clapping. He was an ass.
I will have a service where its almost like cameo but instead people can pay me to walk up to them somewhere slow clapping and monologue to them about a topic they choose
my brother had a shirt that said “jesus christ” instead of the cocacola logo and the tagline was “eternally refreshing” and i thought it was the hardest shirt in existence
I had a Pepsi: The Choice of a Generation parody shirt that read Jesus: The Choice of the LAST Generation and I maintain it was the hardest shirt in existence, even if that was an entire generation ago
The way the Bible justifies this mindset is pretty simple - humanity IS a sorry lot, in fact every single human aspect that is positive is single-handedly attributed to God's influence, while everything else humans do is our own fault.
@@lonestarlibrarian1853 Perhaps, but I think you underestimate just how vile and disgusting the Bible paints humanity as. The books Ecclesiastes, Genesis (the flood specifically) and Job are perfect examples of this view - no suffering is too great to not be deserved, and no human action can have even a small semblance of meaning or goodness according to those books. The best thing a person can do is completely depersonalise themselves and devote every fiber of their being to God without ANY second thought (since as we know from the New Testament many thoughts themselves are equal to committing physical sins)
@@P4rz1va1 much of the Bible is based on the Torah lmao the Jewish holiday of Passover is a commemoration of the final plague of Egypt and the freeing of the Hebrews (Jewish people)
Philosophy professor in God's Not Dead: Sign this athiest paper or you FAIL! My actual philosophy professor: tbh guys I'm a bit hungover and my wife is leaving me so we're just gonna watch some star trek episodes and chill
fr no philosophy teacher has been that hard line about anything. like the ultimate conclusion of most philosophy is that there are no hard answers but it’s helpful to talk through and discuss potential theories on the unknowable questions of life. being hardline and belligerent on something like the existence of god is kind of anti-philosophy
oh 100%. i minored in philosophy in college and never once have i had a philosophy professor outright say an opinion is wrong, that’s the antithesis of philosophy. no philosopher worth their credentials will ever shut down something as uncertain as the existence of god, even if they don’t think there is one. the only time any of my philosophy professors had a hard line was when a student said garlic is objectively bad. philosophy is (or should be) about open minded conversation, even when debates or arguments get involved. and when it gets riled up it’s almost never a “NO YOURE WRONG” it’s usually more throwing a proof against someone else’s theory at then like a brick (i.e. diogenes and the plucked chicken)
my philosophy teacher makes a "I'm not trying to attack religion" disclaimer in class so often that at this point he just says "insert disclaimer here," it's our inside joke now lmao
“No reason to be moral”. It’s called empathy? Knowing your actions or words could hurt other people should be enough to prevent you from doing those things. Why do you need the threat of hell or the reward of heaven to be a good person? That’s like people who only follow the law because of the punishment not because those things are wrong and bad to do.
the thing is, there are actual people who wishes they can do things but can't cuz of the laws and punishment 🤦 while i'm not religious at all, i can see it's importance to hold brain dead people down 😂
8:21 my fav movie detail is that the costuming folks couldn’t be bothered to dress the Muslim leading lady in appropriately modest clothing or even wrap her headscarf correctly!!! really cements the idea that her identity & culture is nothing but a plot device that can be removed when convenient 🤩 edit: spelling
Also, her arms are bare. Most Muslim girls I know wear long sleeved clothes, and the ones that wear pants tend to wear them with loose fabric. Also, why is her scarf so ugly? I’ve seen so many scarves with pretty colors and designs, they didn’t have to give her a raggedy one 😂
@@gregjayonnaise8314 this!! the fact that she wore short sleeves and her neck & hair weren’t even covered by her scarf really demonstrates how little thought went in to her character.
I love how the girl in God's not Dead says "I refuse you to go up against this professor in his own classroom" like it's his lair and he has special lair attacks.
Well the real argument is, without God moral standards are plastic and can be changed for any reason, so the only thing separating Jim Jones and Joe Everyman in practice is consensus. That turns into a million other little ethical wildfires when we look at historic mob behavior (i.e. every riot and lynching in history). In practice, Atheists are just borrowing the ethics and morality of traditionally Christian western powers and assuming that consensus is just intuition. It's extremely shortsighted when you realize that human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism were commonly held social values all over the world until relatively recent Christianization ended such practices. There was no intuitive value proposition in these peoples to tell them such things were wrong, they had to be told.
in high school my brother got caught with weed and my parents forced us to start going to church to try and "save" him, we went every sunday and it got to the point where our parents were making us go on mission trips and all kinds of crazy jesus stuff. at some point the church approached me and they asked me to play drums in the church band - my mom was there and basically forced me to agree to it. I had to bring my own personal drum set every sunday which meant waking up early to pack all of my gear and having to stay late to put it all back up. basically I was doing this for free and thought the rest of the band was also doing it for the "charity" of church or whatever. This was absolutely not the case. the rest of the band including the backup singers were ALL getting paid to be there, and from what i had learned it was quite a decent amount (would have been a good amount for a young man like myself in my mid-late teens), I had asked them before i accepted the offer to play in the band if there would be any pay and the pastor LIED TO MY FACE and told me that everyone was doing it for the love of god. you can imagine my anger when I found out that they were literally taking advantage me, a young teen. I remember the day that I quit I walked up to the pastor and told him how i felt so betrayed that the other members were getting paid and he made up some story trying to gaslight me that I specifically said i didnt want the money or something (absolute bullshit, ive always been money motivated). and at that point i just left and never came back. The whole ordeal backfired on my parents tremendously, it turned me into an atheist lol. Organized religion did damage to my emotional and psychological health that Im pretty sure is irreparable.
and all that happened over weed man. Actions really do be having unintended consequences (saying this more in regard towards your parents in this situation)
@raye_wonderland1276 I think it's a combination. There are a lot of churches that take advantage of people and tell them to force Christianity on others, for fear of hell or whatever. Your mom sounds cool, but this happens.
@Raye_Wonderland jokes dawg not a big deal 🤷🏽♂️ he/she rejected God because he/she was abused then does that help? Both are stupid reasons. The main thing is all you know about this person in one TH-cam comment so who gives a shit of course they have other reasons for why they rejected God.
For a TikTok, a kid asked his mom if she’d kill him if God commanded her to. She said “he wouldn’t ask me that.” To which he responded with “what if he did?” And she said “Well if god commands me to then I would” BROOOO????? This shit scares me. All logic goes out the window
"He wouldn't ask me that" - He literally did! That story of Abraham (and ordering the genocide of the Midianites, and the flood, and the rules regarding enslavement) was what made me realize that if the Bible is an accurate account of the character of God (big if, for a host of reasons), then he's actively malevolent.
Ok but to be fair... if God is asking you to do something that means that somehow you've discovered he actually is real meaning heaven and hell are real and everything in the Bible is true so like what is she supposed to do? Tell God no and spend eternity in hell?? Nah man I'm doing whatever that entity says lol
ever since i got sent to rehab (at 16) my parents have ramped up the christianity tenfold. as a queer, mentally ill person, the religious trauma is strong when my mom tells me “god is punishing you for what you did” like no i’m dealing with withdrawals from addiction. Anyways loved this video I really feel like you’ve found your niche
@@kirabad-artist6532 because he made a deeply flawed species and then punishes us for being deeply flawed. He'd have no fun if he made us the way he expects us to be. It's like when a parent never teaches you something and then gets mad that you don't know it
No joke, we had this poster in my Christian high school that had a list of every mainstream band and their Christian Alternatives. I used it to discover better artists because I’d only known the Christain artists.
Lol true it hurt itself in confusion energy Like when the DARE people would tell kids al the street names for drugs and who may try to sell them Making it easy to find drugs lol
so i went to a catholic middle school, and we'd have religion class every day. i was one of the teacher's favorites, because i was really invested and usually asking questions and trying to debate him on tougher points. i'll never forget one day, toward the end of the year in eighth grade, he called me over to his desk and said "hey i've got this movie i was thinking of showing the class, i think you'll enjoy it," and he pulled out god's not dead. i guess my face screwed up or something, because he went "oh have you seen it?" and i told him that i had heard from friends that it was really corny and mischaracterizing and propaganda-y, so he said "okay. i trust you. we won't watch it then." and he gave me the dvd and told me to throw it in the trash. so i threw it out, and uh yeah we never watched god's not dead anyways love u mr. i
this is rlly cool, it's always nice when people in religious groups like a church or otherwise have the maturity to calmly and respectfully bounce off the other people there with each others' thoughts, it's just nice and can make any religion an interesting thing to put time into :] I'm not too religious anymore but it always makes me happy when people in any faith are just like. cool to each other about stuff and communicate respectfully lol
Bruh, no joke. That quote actually rooted from early chemophobic creationist fundamentalists who thought cancers are related to the Cabal and Jews controlling people with the mark of the beast, lol. Some of them came from outright Godwin's law, such as the holocaust deniers. Not even straw atheists such as the Dawkin wannabes in the movie.
i think my favorite part about God's Not Dead is how clear it is that the writers never stepped outside their Christian bubble, nor their White bubble like the Chinese guy and his dad speak in Chinese over the phone...but one guy is speaking Mandarin and the other's speaking Cantonese. it's hysterical!
and that's not even getting into the Islamphobia of it all like the dad forces his daughter to wear niqab--which is wrong, but unfortunately it does happen. even secular parents police what their kids wear. but also the whole niqab is worn incorrectly; its literally just a scarf around her head and pulled over her nose. while it's not uncommon to wear a hijab with another scarf over the face, niqab is technically a separate garment (at least three garments, if you wanna get technical) more importantly, a niqab is worn with looser clothing (or at least with an abaya) not a 3/4 raglan tee with your cleavage out (3/4 sleeves are more acceptable with a hijab*, but as niqabs are more modest they're meant to be worn with more modest clothing, y'know?) ((*okay so "hijab" is technically an umbrella term for the certain decorum Muslims, regardless of gender. but the word itself is commonly used to refer to the one scarf wrapped around your head style, especially in North America. but garments like niqab also qualify has Hijab. not a major issue but wanted to clarify))
Like when I say the Asian in the movie I was like.. now they are gonna say "communist bad. Communism hate God" and lo and behold he's from China so they are implying that anti communist talking point.
The God’s not Dead section reminded me a lot of how my old pastor would talk about college as a whole. He’d talk at length about these “godless professors brainwashing people”. It’s so obvious that a lot of pastors and folks who make these films have never been to a regular college.
The Duck Dynasty guys and the Pureflix creator actually have been. The entirety of hate against higher education is ultimately an act to control the base. These are educated people, spewing propaganda that they know isn't true, with the intent to sell a product to ignorant people to reaffirm a false belief that actually hurts that very same group. The scene reads like a stereotype cause the audience they are selling to expects one. It's just sad.
It makes me wonder what classes at Christian Universities are like. Pretty sure there was a church attendance requirement at the college my friend went to. Yet he had the gall to complain when his science class presented Climate Change as scientific fact.
Well, when your entire existence consists of brainwashing people, specifically tiny, tiny children that haven't been thought to think critically and now never will... you have to convince yourself that actually, it is the grown adults getting a higher education who are required to read more than a single book and who engage with more than one viewpoint in their lives that are being brainwashed.
It's been 10+ years and I still walk around the house in panic thinking my whole family has been raptured but me cause I don't believe everything anymore. Religious trauma runs deep
One morning when I was like 17 I woke up to what felt like someone shaking my bed and I was like “give me a minute” until I realised that my solid wood bed frame couldn’t shake like that. I got up all panicked, and the clouds just happened to clear for a second and the sun shown brightly through my window and I said “no I’m not ready!” Out loud And then realised it was an earthquake
@@NixieEppler lol, reminds me of the time I was sleeping then was woken by the sound of a choir and several loud horns and trumpets. I froze in my bed in absolute fear that Jesus was coming back at that exact moment and those were the instrumental sounds of his angelic army; I knew I wasn't prepared. I ran to my window and looked outside, scared shitless, expecting to see floating chariots and the four apocalyptic doomsday horses. Turns out it was just my mom blasting church music. Thanks, mom.
a similar thing happens to me every so often. usually just for a few minutes after waking up or getting out of bed when it's eerily quiet, because the rest of my family is still asleep. but i've never been religious so the rapture doesn't cross my mind, it's more of an existential horror imagining even for a moment that they all might have died in like a car accident or something. perhaps that's trauma too, idk. but it's very rare so it could just be random. the human brain acts in strange ways when deprived of sleep (or not fully awake in this case)
@@chainswordcs yh, i feel this way too sometimes. I always thought of it as some sort of invasive thought. Bc common sense tells me that it’s unlikely that has happened, and it’s a thought I don’t want to have, but it comes into my head anyway. It’s just a different form of fear and worry that you can’t write off because of sleepy delusion. I don’t think it’s abnormal.
@@chainswordcs it rlly only becomes abnormal and a cause for concern when it is frequent, you are fully awake, and you start to believe and act as if your thoughts have actually happened or are about to.
The fact a large chunk of twenty one pilot’s songs are about religious trauma and struggling with faith makes Nick having a twenty one pilots phase even funnier
@@cherryred11 a lot of their older stuff mostly. “Implicit Demand For Proof” and “Addict With A Pen” from the self titled album are two of the more obvious ones but there are allusions to religion in a lot of their other works, notably “Glowing Eyes”, “Anathema”, “Be Concerned”, “Ode To Sleep”, “Holding On To You”, and “The Judge” To get a better idea though you can look up “twenty one pilots songs about religion” and a couple people have made some lists of specific instances where tøp is referencing stories/verses from the Bible
@@steakfilly5199 dude listen to his songs. He had a song called “blasphemy” for crying out loud. You can be openly Christian and struggle with faith/experience religious trauma. He expresses in his music that his battle with depression was a major reason for why he questioned his beliefs
Throughout high school, I worked as a hostess in a restaurant in Malibu. The owners were a deeply religious Christian couple and were friends with David AR White, the founder of PureFlix. He was beginning to divorce his wife and came in on a date. They sat at the table for nearly 5 hours (We had a 2hr limit) and engaged in some heavy PDA. I always remember that when I see ads for PureFlix stuff.
The funniest part about God is Not Dead, which you touched on, is the fact that the main character isn't arguing with an atheist the whole time. He's arguing with a Christian who's pissed off at God. The premise of the movie literally can't get off the ground bc it's actually just two christians arguing with each other.
@@firewolfandrewb Exactly, the bible says that everyone already believes, so they assume that's the case because they believe in the bible axiomatically. They can't even imagine disagreement.
i remember watching god’s not dead when i was younger, like 11, because it was on netflix and for some reason, my interest was peaked. after, i was filled with so much fear and anxiety that because my family didn’t go to church, we would all die. after seeing the ending scene with the professor, i spiraled into a panic and cried to my grandmother (who was, and still is, an avid church go-er) about how scared i was that this was what was going to happen to my family and i will never forget her saying, “god doesn’t work like that, ever. unless it’s for people who have done biblical wrongs like denounce him like murder, hate his message, and actively go against the bible” and i remember that pushed me away from everything relating to christian faith.
even as an avid Catholic, i absolutely feel you for the fear. I'm really sorry you had to experience that fear, it truly sucks :"( I also remember as a kid being scared as hell bc i'd go to hell if i don't obey God.
@@ayakaimpacts Damn that sounds traumatic. One of the reason I'm against introduction of religion to kids. Let them grow old enough to choose what they wanna believe instead of brainwashing them young.
@@ayakaimpacts the older I get the more and more I realize how many people use God and paint them to be an abuser. Like I know it's not all Christians, some of the most kind people I've met in my life are Christian. It just makes me mad sometimes that I didn't see it growing up when it was so glaringly obvious Edit: things like saying you only need him to live. Only being friends with people in the church. Heck just the hate that's sometimes thrown at LGBT people is enough
I saw some christian movie that butchered a school shooting story. I already didn't want to be religious and we called that movie "Fucked up" universally and did not enjoy it.
Sorry to hear that you had that experience. That whole franchise is so awful and damaging to what actually good Christians stand for. I wish that more of the Church would be willing to look inward and realize that the reason so many people leave or are turned away is because of the trauma they cause
my ethics professor in college taught the "morality is impossible without God" nonsense, he then sued the school for telling him to respect trans students, he also compared gay marriage to "marrying the family dog"
@@Kaislyngmine talked ab philosophy and the morality/ethics of different actions in relation to many issues. we talked about lots of current issues and old ones, prob my favorite class i’ve taken in college so far
I had an acquaintance in 8th grade that always tried to get me to go to his youth group, and one day I did. When I stood in with the group for a religious musical performance, I saw all the other kids surrounding me including my friends break down into hysterics with their arms in the air genuinely crying and acting possessed. It scared me away how they lost their minds just because of some generic Christian rock song. Another thing was during a Bible reading or something, one of the kids asked the pastor if people who take their own lives and gay people really go to hell; and the pastor said something like "yes, we might not understand it, but that's because God's plan are beyond our understanding" or something. I didn't talk to the kid who invited me much after because it became awkward when I respectfully said it wasn't for me. I genuinely tried to make myself believe in God for years, I wanted something to help my life feel more fulfilled and feel like everything would be okay. But I just couldn't make myself believe. Maybe one day.
Religion isn’t the only thing that can make your life fulfilled.. You don’t have to believe in Christianity or make yourself believe.. There’s other religions to follow that you could look into it as well. But don’t do it because you think you SHOULD but because you genuinely want to. Again though, there’s so much that can make you feel fulfilled in life not just religion! 💜
@@KingOfGaymes I know that, but I'm sort of rebuilding my life after a long time struggling with drug addiction. I've been clean for 4 years but it takes a while to feel whole. The addiction and all the damage that comes with it causes lasting traumas, you know? I always felt something was missing and struggled with mental health so much that I started using when I was only 15. I am working toward finding all the things that will give my life more meaning and fulfillment, while also doing the harder things that have to be done to support myself and rebuild. Hopefully I'll get there one day. I'm trying to find my calling and jump into hobbies and passions more. For the time being I'm stuck in my little geographic area, but would like to travel one day.
you basically described my 14 year-long journey at catholic schools in a nutshell. 8th grade is the exact year they started specifically bringing up gay people, i remember it bc my uncle was out at the time and i couldn’t comprehend why people would blindly judge & condemn a normal human being. and for a decade before that, the lessons all say jesus loves everyone! it’s insanity how they rope you in with love & will turn to hate just to benefit from othering people. anyway, just my two cents, thank you for sharing your story.
I was homeschooled in middle school and high school, and my mom sat me down, forced me to watch God's Not Dead and told me that this is what it would be like if I went to high school or college. Like that a teacher would fail me if I proclaimed my faith. Even when she said that, I had a hunch it wasn't really going to happen - shocker I was right.
At my old church my sibling and I were one of the only people who went to public school. Most went to this very conservative and religious private school. My mom was at one of the meetings they had for the church and the ones that home schooled or private schooled all truely believed that's what went on in public school. My mom shut them down real quick saying "how can you know that if you've never taken your kid to public school? This has literally never happened to my kids." They probably felt the same way still but I'm glad my mom shut that BS down when she heard it It was a really weird experience being one of the only public school kids. The church would say "your close friends should only be from the church" but at the same time the kids from church treated you weird. They'd form cliques and it'd never really get past a superficial relationship even after years of attending
What conservatives don't expect, these days because of lgbt acceptance in the class room, they want to homeschool more so they can shelter their kids, I knew it would make lots of conservative parents end up with children that don't want to visit them and etc, but I never got insight into the life of someone in this situation and I really appreciate it
My favorite "Christian movie" is The Prince of Egypt. It's actually a really good animated film. Even tho it's basically Bible Fanfiction, it's better than a lot of Disney movies from that era.
For the mustard seed thing it's like a metaphor cuz mustard seeds are tiny but turn into a huge plant. It's about like growing your faith basically. (I almost became a nun. Now Im trans and I smoke weed.)
Fr as a satanist I'll look around at all religions (including the different branches of satanism I'm no hypocrite) and see all the different propaganda and content they make and just- ??? I thought the people who make things for religious purposes were here to have fun and make things to let people know their religion is here to accept new people and to have something fun for existing members not be atrocious and turn people away 😭
The Bible is fiction. Type Bible Criticism and let your illusions be shattered by facts. So the Christian hustlers look for rubes who never question this cult.
@@kkatgurl Christian brainwashing- when done by an amateur - looks sleazy. The Bible is fiction, so the Christian hustlers sometimes look crazy. Sensationalism is how they do it. THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!! ETC.
I remember watching God's Not Dead with my youth group some years ago and I was so moved by the end that i actually texted my friends that God wasn't dead. Hands down cringiest shit I've ever done and I am so thankful that not a single one of them acknowledged it
You're not alone, while they never showed god's not dead at a church i used to go to, i remember once they had some seminar with a guest speaker. I was so moved i started taking my bible to school and trying to preach to random people, and when people made fun of me for it (which wasn't actually that common, but at the time I felt like EVERYONE was laughing at me) I would go off in a corner and read by myself. Eventually the cringe of my own behavior snapped me out of it but that went on for a little while.
Oh man I can relate. I hit peak cringe after my retreat for communion. I can still scroll down my songs on my iPhone and find a list of Christian songs from back then. 😂
My cousin, at 18, was in a car accident with a few of his friends. A couple died instantly, the driver was fine, and my cousin suffered for most of a day before dying, and at his funeral, the pastor for his church actually pulled the "his suffering was a gift, so he had time to ask for forgiveness" thing.
That's really really sad "he suffered, but at least he ain't going to hell like those probably will for not asking God's forgiveness " is a pretty depressingly mean subtext to apply to a tragedy.
I have this game that I play with myself where I pick a random media piece and go "surely there can't be fanfiction of this", and there always is. I did this with God's Not Dead, and to my horror/delight there was slash fics of the two pastor dudes. I didn't read any because I was too busy dying of laughter, but I have some saved for when my friend comes over to cry-laugh.
I was not allowed to go to church (banned by my mom) after I started having panic attacks at age 5, sobbing inconsolably, throwing up, etc. because my entire family was going to go to Hell because my older brother was born out of wedlock and my dad is an atheist etc. We lived across the street from the church in a tiny town and I was allowed to go there by myself all the time until that point. My mom says she was so scared of how brainwashed I was that it was what made her officially leave religion altogether (I'm surprised she was still clinging on at that point because she also said she was forced to stand in front of the church she had grown up in and say that she regretted having my brother because she wasn't married yet, then they forced her to marry my dad who was cheating on her the whole time, and then when my brother was diagnosed with Autism they told her it was because he was conceived out of wedlock and God was punishing both her and him for it) I was then raised athiest but at age 15 I got really into Christian Punk Rock, not in a religious way I just really liked the early 2000's style and the lyrics that were emo but not in a way that would get me in trouble at school for writing them in the margins of my work. I liked to play a game called "Is he talking about God or his girlfriend" with my friends, where I would read out lyrics out of context, and the dirtier they sounded the more likely it was to be about God ("I want to be inside you" and "You make me feel like an exploding star" type stuff. whaaat that's not dirty he means Jesus) Tangentially related I discovered Christian Punk Rock because I was obsessed with Power Rangers at age 15 and in the sound track of Power Rangers Ninja Storm there is two songs by Relient K so I then painstakingly ripped every Relient K song one at a time off youtube to put on my ipod lmao
@@maplefoxxo Oh we're good now, we only go to Universalist Unitarian churches now (and not very dedicatedly haha), my mom is now atheist and I am agnostic xD
10:26 I think the most unrealistic thing about God's Not Dead is that there would still be students attending class at that point. You know a few people would've gone to the dept chair to complain about how their class has gone so far off the rails. Probably at least a few of them wouldn't have shown up after the first day. And there probably would be one kid that would've interjected in the middle of the whole "God's Not Dead" speech and talk about how this is not what they signed up for.
Instead in this movie you can see them all taking notes and look super interested. College students are some of the most cynical beings in the universe, they are the last people that would be convinced by his weak straw man arguments.
@@Chillerll Don't forget that part where they all stand up in unison and proclaim they are now all Christians, defying the mean old angry Atheist man. And those Christians? Albert Einstein.
Fun fact: the script was based on an actual lawsuit involving a university professor who really did things like have his students sign their names under “God is dead”
i grew up catholic and i’ve always wondered why christian kids seem so ‘obsessed' with jesus. like we use the same scripture, have the same holidays etc... but i don’t know any catholic that talks about god or jesus outside of a religious context lol. so getting a window into this world was very informative. thank you!!
I grew up Protestant (specifically Baptist) and there was always a big emphasis on evangelism and being "born again". While faith is important, I think there's kind of an unspoken rule in a lot of Protestant denominations that salvation comes through action, and as such missionary work in evangelism are considered very important. In fact, a pretty big difference is that for Baptists, you don't get baptized until you are old enough to understand the ramifications of what that means, so usually like 13+, primarily because you can't really comprehend or take action on any of these ideas until you're older, even if they start the initiation much earlier. It's also worth noting, I'm pretty sure the Catholic Bible is different. The Protestant Bible lacks a few books, like 1st and 2nd Maccabees, and a few others. I don't think it has a major impact on theology, I think political and historical circumstances play a much larger role, but it's certainly part of it. Personally, I'm not religious anymore, but I still find the theology in first thing because you basically have three separate world religions all based Judaism, two of which are larger than the thing they spawned from, and then those to break down into so many more complex denominations based on slight differences in opinion. It's kind of wild.
Same. I always found it annoying/boardering on disturbing in some cases. I'd have protestant friends that just made it their entire personality at certain points in our childhood. As soon as they found out or realized I was one of those dirty-papist-mary-worshipping-pagan folks, they'd start trying to evangelize... it was super fun.
@@pennyforyourthots Obviously I don't know your personal experience, but theologically among protestants it's huge that salvation comes through grace only, not our actions.
Christianity is so vast. Most Catholics I know only follow their faith once a week, but I know there are those who are just as devoted With Jesus in the forefront of their lives. Idk, I think if you’re a Christian that means Jesus should be at the forefront of your life, right?
@@TheNinjapancake14 in my experiance in catholicism, what I’ve taken away is less about worshipping the figures of Jesus and god, and much more on how you, as a person, are living your life and interacting with others. catholicism is far from perfect (im more agnostic at this point tbh), but I appreciate the values the church has instilled in me.
I went to a Christian school starting in 2016-2021. At that point I was DEEP in the closet and the fact that I went there during the election made the conservativism really ramp up. Needless to say it was very anxiety inducing and actually attempted a few times and ended up going to rehab at 18, never finishing high school. I'm 20 now and working on getting my diploma and it's crazy to look back and see how many things there were that I thought was normal but totally wasn't (ex. Going to chapel every week, having a devotion/prayer at the beginning of every class, etc.) Religion can be great for some people, and horrible for others. I wish more Christians recognized that
Grew up baptist. Raised by parents "called by god" to homeschool, church 3 times a week, woke up early to read Bible verses before breakfast. Immediately put all that behind me when I moved out at 18, but this video has really taken me back because a lot of this media was literally all I had growing up. I'm gay and living an amazing life on my own terms now, but I wish I could be doing that and also be a Christian like I was raised. It's such a shame I had to choose. I'm sure not every church is like that but the one I was raised in was extremely controlling.
There are methodist churches that are open to queer folks. It all boils down to whether you want your parents to be disappointed in you for leaving the church or going to a different one.
Hi! Just here to second what the other person said. I'm pan and genderfluid and my fiance is nonbinary. I currently go to my fiance's church, which is a Methodist church, and despite being in a small town in Arkansas everyone I've met there has been very loving and accepting, even the older adults/elders who I was frankly scared to interact with after hearing how people back in my hometown used to talk. At this point in my life, I'm more comfortable being openly queer in that church than I would be in a room of even my closest family members. I've also been to a Presbyterian church which was also really accepting. My ex was on the staff there for a semester and they publicly announced me as her girlfriend at one of their functions when she first started, when they also announced another staff member and her boyfriend, and it made me feel more accepted than I had in the church in a very long time. Absolutely no pressure from me to go out looking for a church, just wanted to share in case my experiences might offer you a bit of hope.
It’s rules that people have. Let’s say everyone in the world was morbidly obese, and there was man who could make you healthy all you have to do is go on a diet and workout. Everyone would like that man, but if everyone was forced to eat spinach and run miles everyone would hate him. The answer is CHOICE.
@@LicoriceLain I made a reply under the OG comment, but those churches at least from my point of view are wrong. The Goal of the church is to love everyone no matter what and also to obey what’s in the book. Jesus was eating with those he would’ve send to hell, to try to give them a great eternity. The answer isn’t compromise, but rather choice and compassion
If you ever wanted to go back to a church, google if there are any reconciliation churches near you! They’re a network of progressive congregations that are dedicated to LGBTQ+ acceptance.
I love when you talk about your experience with religion! I just left christianity a year or two ago and it's so nice hearing perspectives of other people who had a similar experience that I did.
me too!! i was raised christian and my entire family is super conservative christian and i grew up going to crazy strict private schools and about two years ago i stopped identifying as christian and as of this point im not sure if i really believe in God. i believe in some higher power but i’m not sure what that means for me exactly. also, i’m pansexual which is really difficult because my family is so homophobic and i’ve had to stay closeted for years which of course has had a major toll on my mental health and largely effected my view on christianity and conservatism. anyways, sorry for the rant lol but yeah i’m in the same situation
Thank you for mentioning this! It's a similar concept as the reason why Conservative art isn't usually that good. There's a huge lack of depth since the only apparent reason for the art itself is to spread propaganda or to negate another party's propaganda. This causes the art to be shallow, low effort, and frankly shit lol I've heard a lot of awful Christian music that has kindergarten level lyrics and chords, yet adults will say these songs are so good and deep. It's not deep at all. There's no nuance at all. There's no commentary on anything in it. It feels empty, like its missing something, unless you already hold the beliefs it's trying to further. To an outsider, there's little to no substance to this type of conservative or Christian art most of the time
Especially the music! The only Christian bands with actually deep lyrics i know of are The Oh Hellos and I Am Empire- the latter ironically often getting called satanic for being a rock lmao
tom macdonald in a nutshell, his raps are literally just right wing talking points over a cheaply produced 2013 eminem era type beat, and his fans eat it up and act like others are too dumb to understand, like no dude, he just has preschool level lyrics, you only think it’s smart because it aligns with your politics
@@employee4272 oh yes! Christian music is so incredibly shallow lol ZERO depth at all but many Christians seem to think its so meaningful. I grew up with Switchfoot, Robbie Seay, and music like that and it was always so boring, even if it was musically competent. My parents never seemed to understand why it didn't strike me as deep or meaningful. Its just shallow lol the words are so badly written (and the musical parts are usually pretty rudimentary too in many cases). Ive seen other commenters saying the same thing and im so glad im not the only one who feels this way lol
@@javiartem yes! If you read it out instead of rap it, its just what white middle school-aged boys with conservative fathers spew out because they dont know the reality. Not only is it shallow, its also not even the full facts. People who speak like Tom MacDonald don't really understand what theyre even talking about, so they cant make substantial commentary on it. I feel like a lot of Christians are similar with the Bible and their own religious teachings. The art is all surface level, digestible dribble being spoonfed to them so they dont have to understand it, they just have to spread it. Its sad
As a Christian myself, yeah you nailed it on the head. Religion wasn’t meant to be sold and while their actually is a lot of good Christian media most of it isn’t advertised as Christianity media, most of it isn’t insanely popular, and most of it isn’t considered “Christian enough” to pass because not every line is about god. For example, the song “praying hands” by Ty Brassel is about how he went from selling drugs in the trap to a Christian rapper, but i was asked to turn it off it at my youth group. It’s mildly ironic. also, the Bible is rated R in many places and XXX in several, and considering it talks about incest-prostitution and infant genocide in several places, I don’t see how explicit music is the bane of Christ.
We showed God's Not Dead at our church for free once and sold concessions for a youth group fundraiser. I worked popcorn for a very long time without eating anything and I passed out, so my dad took me home but I didn't get any of the fundraiser money because I didn't finish my concessions shift. My dad said it was a stupid movie and he thanked me for passing out so he didn't have to sit through it
My Christianity relationship is strange with me being Native American and growing up on a reservation. It certainly was a source of hope for a lot of people needing it. Then I remember being weirded out by a missionaries kid and how he was forbidden from POKEMON because it was "satanic" 😂 I started questioning everything since then.
I remember being extremely disappointed in my confirmation class when other religions were presented as flat caricatures of what they really believed, and being very disillusioned with the lies. It was one of the things that made me start researching the historicity of the Bible, and the house of cards fell shortly thereafter.
as an ex-Christian, it was horrible being forced to succumb to all of my moms christian radio stations... but lemme tell yall.. skillet is still a number one favorite that stays on all my playlists
Your taste is your taste, and that's cool, but I genuinely hope that Skillet is only one of your favorites because you haven't listened to a ton of Christian hard rock. If you haven't heard of Project 86, Blindside, Grammatrain, Thousand Foot Krutch, or RED, please do yourself a favor and check them out! Also coming from an ex-Christian, by the way. I 100% wouldn't waste my time with propaganda music unless it absolutely slapped.
switchfoot will always be the one I look back on, especially after having a bad experience at a skillet concert recently that really soured me on the band
I relate so much. I remember that my sister actually liked the Christian music and I didn't so my mom would make me feel bad by saying, "Well your sister likes it why don't you?"
dude the first time somebody dropped me a “god’s not dead” text back in the day, I legit thought I was getting a sort of veiled threat or something lmao
Narrated `Aisha: that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Give Faith+1 a listen! Their best song is "Start Pleasing Jesus" "I want to get down on my knees and start pleasing Jesus. I want to feel his salvation all over my face…" That really spoke to me. Cartman is such a good, wholesome child of faith.
@@Normenne thank you. Our faith was reignited by the wholesome nature of Faith+1, as I too am in love with Jesus, and it is important others spread the word.
Made the difficult decision to walk away from the church last year. All the hypocrisies as well as seeing how they warped my brother left me disillusioned.
Hey, I'm sorry man, I know how you feel. Seeing your loved ones vanishing into the echo chamber is frustrating and terrifying. I went through the same thing a few years before you, and while I still believe in a God, and I still think the teachings in the gospels are incredible if you ACTUALLY read them, I hate the church and what I've seen it do to people. Anyway, all that to say my heart goes out to you. I hope you have people in your life who support and understand you.
@@grantandrews4826 Practically nobody argues against the teachings of the gospels, they argue against either the teachings of the rest of the Bible (seriously, fuck Paul) or the historicity thereof.
Even though I am a Christian, I feel horrible for people with religious trauma and I am sorry that so many Christians are homophobic, misogynistic, and closed-minded. This video was really interesting to watch and I am so sorry that nick had a bad experience with religion.
I went to see God’s Not Dead with my friend (not for religious reasons) and we were laughing so hard and the only other people in there besides us were nuns :/
at a really young age, my dad heard me sing the word bitch bc of the alanis morisette song playing on the radio, and then my entire childhood we only had the christian radio stations playing in the car. lots of rebecca st james, newsboys, dctalk. it was helpful when asking for CDs by relient k, superchick, and paramore bc they were more mainstream but still publicly talked about being christian so i could say they were a christian band 😂 it’s been an interesting process deconstructing from christianity
As a 30 yr old black woman let's just say I've seen alot. Thank you Nick for your commentary on hip hop. You're what an ally is supposed to be. Great vid 🙂❤
was raised verrry catholic as a kid and then halfway thru ccd for confirmation i was like "I'm??? pretty sure i don't believe in any of this anymore?? ...did i ever??" and i was terrified the WHOLE TIME because i thought I'd get found out and punished 💀 anyway, it's been so great to see you regularly again nick! I'm glad you allowed yourself some time and grace - excited to see what you've got going for the rest of the year (hope there's more music!)
Same! I was in the car with my mom outside of the school that held CCD on Monday nights and I basically told her that I didn’t want to go anymore. I was in 6th grade and was about to be “held back” by a year because I stopped putting in effort. My dad was turning away from Catholicism and Christianity at that time and it kinda indirectly gave me “permission” to recognize that I didn’t… actually… have to believe in all of it. My mom was terrified that I was gonna go to hell tho, but she got over it quickly lol. She was never a devout Catholic, thank god. So she never pushed it after that.
This is a recurring fear in Christian media: That their children will eventually outgrow Jesus in the same way they outgrew Santa and the Easter Bunny. There's a lot of paranoia, that they must shield their children from 'the world' or else that will happen.
This was a nostalgia trip lol. For a while, I was only allowed to listen to Christian music so I survived on TobyMac, Lecrae, KB, Canon, Trip Lee, Skillet, NF, 116, and so many more lol. Thankfully I grew up and my parents eased up but crazy how evangelical-raised kids really just had the same childhood.
One half of my family was very much like that. Christian music only and everything else was "of the devil." But my Dad has always been a big metal head. Spent my weekends and summers getting my brain mushed by christian propaganda then went home to listen to Black Sabbath and Korn, then went to school singing Nicki Minaj on the bus every day. Honestly, you can really tell by the quality of the art that Christian songs and media are produced with the main intent to indoctrinate and not to be generally enjoyable. I literally never liked a single one of the thousands of Christian pop songs fed to me. I found them all pretty annoying even from a young age, but then again my parents used to play metal for me as a baby to get me to stop crying, so I don't know how much of it is the genuine quality versus my inherent predisposition. *Edit: Just wanted to add that my poor little cousin, who is trapped in an extreme fundamentalist household, recently asked for a guitar and her dad took her to a shop and told them she only needed a guitar that could play contemporary gospel. The next time I saw her, she got so excited when she brought me the guitar and I started playing Def Leppard and Judas Priest and revealed to me that she too really loves Metal and Hard Rock. Apparently, no amount of indoctrination can stop the Metal.
@@TheAwesomes2104 Yeah, my dad and mom would still listen to their secular rock music, it was more of an issue with them not wanting me to listen to expletive music that talked about sex, drugs, etc., which I get, but goddamn it was frustrating being the kid at school who only listened to Christian music and was not in the know of anything going on (no social media (vine back then). Of course, once I started to grow up and started gaining my own taste in music, they stopped caring as much (which is also probably due to me and my brother exposing our parents to more "outside" things). Nowadays I'll show my parents songs every now and then that I think they'll like, but out of respect for them (and to not feel too embarrassed, like watching a sex scene with your parents) I tend to pick cleaner songs.
as a person who not only grew up ridiculously christian but with the added bonus of being in the church of the SALVATION ARMY, this video literally reached into my brain and took out so many memories I had in there, all the way down to the names of the christian bands. the only songs i was allowed to have on my ipod were 2000s christian rock bangers. i watched gods not dead nearly Every year at youth group. went to christian girl scouts, christian book club, "sacred dance" (dance class but christian, non-sexual, etc dances), vacation bible school, jesus camp for Most of my summer vacations, and more...... and it just ended up with me being a huge queer dude who kinda forgot most of those experiences. besides a few bible verses that i was forced to memorize. i'm guessing it's all kinda blank for a good reason. this video kinda helped me look back on all the fearmongering and trauma(?) and laugh at a good chunk of it. it really was that goofy.
I really appreciate how respectful and understanding you were during this video! I don’t think you know how much that means to me as a Christian who is constantly feeling disappointed and saddened by what other people who claim they are Christians do and say.
The greatest “christian” art is that by Sufjan Stevens. I put it in quotations because it doesn’t fall under the traditional use of that label upon art. As a queer christian man his art is a true reflection of his self and life experiences, and it was a good bridge in me accepting music with christian influences and themes (such as TPAB) after I fell out of religion. As far as best purely christian art, many orthodox hims do go hard and/or be bangers.
sufjan is really good. been listening to him a ton lately. my favorite Christian band would be half•alive though (specifically their album Now, Not Yet). the oh hellos are another good one tho idk that much about them to say if they’re a Christian band or just like made a Christian inspired album
I guess there’s a difference between Christian art and art made by a Christian. If I never saw this comment I would’ve never known that about Sufjan lol
One of my favorite sleep shirts is from a vbc camp I went to as a kid. It has a sheriff cowboy gopher that says "have a rip roaring good time with Jesus." To me that's comedy gold.
@@ColumineMiette Religious Education, a class in the UK where you learn about random stuff and the teachers try and force a religious (usually christian) message into it.
I worked at a Christian bookstore in 2014 and we played this movie on a loop 😭 Nick, god’s not dead, he’s surely alive - he’s living on this inside roaring like a lion 🦁 lmao I haven’t seen this movie in almost ten years and I still remember that gd song
I had a Christian friend in high school who was pretty cool but one morning she all of a sudden started following me around the school while constantly asking if I owned a Bible because she "just wanted me to be saved." We didn't talk much after that because that creeped me the fuck out.
not only was this video a great critique of christian culture, it made me feel so seen as someone who grew up super mega christian. especially when you talked about feeling guilty about listening to secular music and trying to force yourself to like christian stuff, that was always me!! love your vids so much dude
I jus wanna say that not every Christian is the same. We aren't supposed to force others to obey God or to even fo//ow, but because we're human we have the freedom of choice sooooo some are gonna, unfortunately, abuse the knowledge they've been give. I'm sorry for that, but it doesn't reflect on the genuine and intimate relationship that God wants with you :3
@@morgandixon1234 thanks for being nice or whatever but i dont want a relationship with god. christians really need to learn to not push their shit onto other people
@@morgandixon1234 this is what i mean when i say christians need to learn to not force shit on people!! i dont wanna hear that he loves me bro stop that shit
@@hannahbibby4 but why does it bother u? i mean even if i don’t tell you it’s not gonna change the fact that He does love u…i can’t force how He has always been :/
Coming from someone who grew up atheist. half alive is a fantastic Christian band that tackles both the struggles and fears and living under a god, the human experience outside of their religion, and their love for their god in such a beautiful way, I really wish more religious bands could be like them
This is such a small creator but I also really like Semler. They do a couple of secular music as well as religious. The ones I really enjoy are about their experiences being a LGBT Christian. One of their songs you can just feel the emotion and hurt as they're calling out all the Christian BS like mega churches, propaganda, etc and how much love they have for their God that doesn't represent any of that to them
I just HAVE to point out that the guy playing the atheist Professor is in fact the same guy who played Leonidas' best friend in Meet the Spartans, the 300 Spartans parody Usually actors playing in those awful religious films are religious themselves but this guy played a guy with heavy homoerotic undertones next to a known porn star and i just find it funny
I remember staying up many nights as a child worried because I didn't really believe in God. I didn't know how to process feeling like I was doing something wrong by questioning the religion I was raised on. It was strange because although I didn't believe it was true, I was still afraid of going to hell and never seeing my family again. I prayed to be able to just believe the way other people did. I wanted so badly to not doubt. Thankfully my inability to blindly accept something as true just because someone else said it was has actually been a huge aid. Critical thinking has brought me so much enlightenment then Christianity ever did. Thanks for sharing Nick
This was my exact experience too! I remember crying to my mom saying “I believe in him in my head but not my heart like everyone else” it was wilddd. I also hated the idea that I couldn’t just be my own person and do what I wanted without the fear of “losing eternal life”
Science about christian music here!! As a former person who sang christian songs on stage with four other people, they use so many at a time because then the group can create harmonies and dissonance, which creates an emotional response. If you think about a large choir singing a song that means a lot to people with strong or relatable themes, like maybe See You Again by Charlie Puth or that guy on tiktok who flash mobs places with a choir and people freak out, it has an impact on people. Harmonies and dissonance, for a lot of people, create chemical responses in the brain, which causes something called "frisson", a feeling of chills and joy throughout the body. You might also get this feeling when reading a really good poem or looking at a beautiful piece of artork. Frisson is more likely to happen in music where there's harmony, especially in 3rds from my experience as both a former worship singer and from 7 years in a regular choir. I think these large groups singing standard songs with lots of harmony where different people can sing along in their own vocal range somewhere creates a choir-like feeling. When I first started, I was able to learn an entire new song and harmonize within a 40 minute rehearsal the same day as youth group. I think to both a performer and a regular church goer, this creates a sense of belonging, being able to learn and be included very quickly. But most importantly, with the harmonies and intense, empowering lyrics (such as Oceans, probably the most popular worship song, "spirit lead me where my trust is without borders, let me walk upon the waters wherever you would call me" gives a sense of having purpose and your life having direction), and combine that with 3 or 4 part harmonies and dozens of other people singing along, and you create a chemical response in the brain that for over half of people causes those chills and that chemical response. Many, many former christians (myself included) were sort of... manipulated into christianity through our love of group performance and that emotional response that music creates in our brains. We're taught that those chills and strong feelings we get during the songs are God reaching out to us personally and giving us signs, but in reality we would most likely get that same exact chemical response by singing Back To December by Taylor Swift with a large group of people who know how to harmonize (and that's not a joke! That's literally how I realized God wasn't actually speaking to me through music, because I got that same feeling during a breakup song). Music is a very powerful thing, and there are a lot of people who don't get that "frisson" experience and therefore don't really understand how easy it is to convince people, especially young people or people who have never really participated in music before, that those feelings are coming from God and not your brain just enjoying how music sounds. Seriously, look up a song with a standard chord progression like Back To December or a Lewis Capaldi song being sung by a choir, and then look up a worship song like Oceans or Waymaker being sung by a choir. Same feelings. And this isn't to say that God doesn't exist or anything, I'm just saying that it feels a little scummy to give hours and hours of time and energy into performing for the church because I thought that was the only time I really felt like I was connecting with God, when in reality I just really like to sing with other people.
fun fact: my college was actually mentioned in the credits of God's Not Dead. long before i went there, but my parents pointed it out when we watched it
I'm a pretty hardcore atheist but I gotta say, the ways that our generation interprets religion are super refreshing. In general (there are obviously always outliers) it seems that millenial/genz Christians actually give a shit about what Jesus taught, that is unconditonally loving, accepting, and helping others, especially those on the fringes of society. I had a class in college last semester where there were just 8 of us and the teacher. Every person in the class aside from me was Catholic, but they were all super empathetic, caring, and not judgmental. If ya'll keep that up, then really I have nothing to complain about :).
@@gypsylee333 Well of course, but I'm not talking really about the institution of organized religion but more the ideology of Christianity as a whole. I probably should have made that clearer. The Catholic church has committed tons of human rights abuses, but hopefully these new generations of religious people can help solidify that shit not being OK and work toward stamping it out.
@@gypsylee333 That's a tough line to walk. I think that someone can resonate with the teachings of Catholicism while rejecting the actions of the Vatican. Does that make them Catholic at that point? I don't know, honestly. I'm not informed enough nor religious so I'd only be speculating.
I grew up a devoutly religious family. I was religious too once, but eventually had church trauma, my family denies it, I came out trans, and my family has rejected me
It sucks that people will turn away from their own family in the name of religion. You deserve to live happily as your true self. I'm sorry your family can't see that.
Sorry to hear about that, and family stinks for not loving you the way they should’ve. Just know that even though Christianity doesn’t agree with your choice, we respect it and you. The church and its members need to remember of how to love despite differences
The best advice I can give you is to stay well away from any state with a Republican majority. Your crappy parents are the least of your real world worries.
That really fuckin sucks, Chrono. My experience isn’t exactly the same, but I know what it’s like to have my religious trauma dismissed, and I know people who’ve had it even worse than me in the church. I see you, I hope things are going well in spite of it all, and I wish you the best.
Been wondering this myself too. It’s just so weird how often ‘christian art’ is just so cringe. It’s usually so disengenuous and fake which should in it of itself be very un-christian. But alas they make tons of money off people caring more about how religiously they posture themselves more than the art itself. Being christian, myself, I’m often annoyed with how my beliefs are advertised.
We used to have karaoke parties at my house with friends and we would pull up Christian songs like "Oceans (Where Feet May Fail)" and perform a fake cry night scenario where people fall to their knees and repent... our friends who did not grow up Christian were terrified lmao
I relate to this topic so much, growing up in a extremely religious household (from Christianity to Jesus believing Jewish communities and cults) I've never felt so isolated and ostracized from not being religious enough, i was always condemned for questioning the reasons we did what we did and if the Bible, god and well any of it was real... I was never in the "in groups" of religion for being interested in other subjects and not the acceptable small list of things that were pure and god fearing. Fear is such a powerful tool in religion, especially as a woman. Don't interrupt, don't speak up, don't disrespect your parents,, brothers, elders, leaders, don't let men lust over you, don't dress up, don't be masculine, don't dance, don't masturbate, don't be queer, don't be yourself... It's taken me years to deconstruct these fears that were never my own, i don't know how but my family and I made it out okay, never looked back and are all living our lives as we please. I can't express how much I am thankful for that.
Btw, there's no such thing as "Jesus believing Jewish communites." Those are anti-semitic hate groups, dedicated to trying to trick young Jews that don't know any better into Christianity. They're deceitful, hateful, wrong, and very much not Jewish.. Belief that Jesus is God is contrary to many of the fundamental tenants of Jewish texts and belief, including the Torah.
@@plaidpvcpipe3792 I really don't understand why you felt the need to correct me or "teach" me on a post were i was telling my traumatic childhood with extreme religion... Those people were called Messianic Jews they DO exist, and for the most part were decent people who studied all the books of the Bible, why i distrust them and hated my time there are other reasons. So please, shut the fuck up.
@@fionap.6311 I can tell you don't like the Messianic "Jewish" movement, either. I am correcting you not because I'm angry at you, I'm correcting you because I *am* a Jew, and because I have had to deal with the constant misunderstanding of my religion, including the harmful stuff perpetuated by the Messianic "Jews." They're not Jews, they're Christians. You can be an ethnic Jew and a Christian, but to refer to a religious movement that believes in the divinity of a dude named Jesus as Jewish is inaccurate. I know this because I'm a Jew, and I've researched movements like "Jews For Jesus" and others. That's all I'm saying, and I think it's important for people to know and understand. I hope you understand where I'm coming from, and that I'm just trying to help people understand a harmful Christian religious group that has clearly caused you (and others) a lot of grief. Fundamentalist Jews and harmful Jewish cults (look up Lev Tahor) exist, and none of them involve Jesus, because then they wouldn't be Jewish.
I grew up growing to an Assemblies of God church, and whilst I was not necessarily super devout (especially once I reached my teens), I DID have a strong belief in God and for a long time even after I stopped really going to church, I had this weird superiority complex about being "pure". Turns out I'm just asexual
Nick, I love that you are doing these videos! I grew up in a southern baptist household and developed some anxiety that really amped up when I embraced Calvinism at a young age. I'm recently out of the church (two years now!), embracing my authentic self as a butch lesbian. Videos like this where you relate your own experience in the religion to evangelical media, talking points, etc are so important in starting conversations and helping people from similar backgrounds/situations know that they are not alone. Excellent video, look forward to watching more from you! Really funny story: I loved the Newsboys (because of this movie/my upbringing) until my dad's friend worked at a performance they held in my hometown. He said he never met a more rude group of people in his life. Treated people below them poorly and left their room (that they stayed in before the show, idk the term) a mess. Obviously not trying to say this is the case for all Christians/evangelicals, just interesting how real life contrasts with the image they project of themselves.
very cool!! i’m in a very similar situation (was raised christian by a super conservative family, had to stay closeted for years, and am still closeted but open about my sexuality at school and am finally moving out next year which i’m excited for to really explore who i am as my own person) and i agree with what you said 100%! i love hearing about others similar experiences since i’ve never met anyone in real life who’s gone through the same situation i have surrounding that
@@lovrboi I'm glad that you were able to share this! I've also never met someone in person who had the same experiences, and am not put to my parents (I'm coming out when I graduate college this year). I wish you luck as you continue your journey in life and I hope someday you're able to fully be your authentic self out loud and proud dawg
They actually tried to get a straw man to play the teacher, but the lead actor actually had a straw allergy. Got so itchy every time he tried to run lines. So they settled for the human guy, but in the script his name is still "Straw Man"
As a current Jesus freak, I love this video. You did an amazing job of pointing out the common problems in Christian media/art. I appreciate that you are not here just to bash us! Thanks for giving me something to laugh along with you about
I first learned about God's Not Dead after I suddenly received three texts all saying "God's Not Dead" in close succession of each other from two siblings and my stepmom. It was very ominous at the time, especially since by that time I'm pretty sure I recently stopped being Christian (and I've still never explicitly told any of them). TURNS OUT THEY APPARENTLY TELL THE AUDIENCE TO TEXT THAT PHRASE AT THE END OF THE MOVIE.
Loving the new videos. It can be frustrating when trauma seems to get in the way of us creating the art we want to create but you're doing an excellent job and it's been epic to watch you grow with your channel
I went to a private Christian University, and the English dept was a holdout of rationality. One prof would say, "to be a Christian tea maker doesn't mean you need to put a Bible verse on every bag of tea", and that applies to all forms of Art. Your Art should stand on its own without needing to rely on being preachy.
@@admiraloverdone Correct, indoctrination should be a more insidious, slow burn thing, where you lure in your victims with pleasant, unrelated forms art and entertainment. Then, when their minds are completely smooth and receptive from the funny vegetables, that's when you threaten them with eternal hellfire and damnation.
The biggest thing I don’t get is why Josh Whedon’s character didn’t just drop the class. It has been so long since I’ve seen the movie, but like he could have dropped the class, taken it with a different professor or transferred a credit from community college.
Or talked to a school administrator. What the prof is doing in the classroom wouldn't be allowed anywhere and unless it happened in a private university, would violate a students 1st amendment rights.
DUDE I'm so glad you finally found a way to incorporate talking about your experience growing up in a Christian household and the church into a video! I relate to so much of what you talked about and it's honestly crazy that I used to say God is not dead was my favorite movie lmao. And yes! You absolutely don't need to make some sort of solution or conclusion for Christians from your experience! I hope you're doing a little better now and I love your new content ❤️
I grew up deeply Christian. My whole life I had family members who were youth pastors, on the worship team, in the youth band, and everything was about church all the time. I always felt so alienated like something was wrong with me because I didn’t feel anything for god. I hated going and I felt like an outsider. My church was very much a contest of “who’s the most Christian” and I always felt like I wasn’t Christian enough despite going to the same church for nearly my whole life. I recently separated from the church and I feel so much more like myself, but I dread having to tell my family that im no longer Christian.
It will go badly at first but as long as ur committed to it they will give up. My parents accepted I am atheist and eventually stopped asking me about it. Took a lot of endurance and I was lucky I moved out at 21 (I’m 31 now) and they don’t ever bring it up to me.
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Great commentary. Can relate
So he's a atheist that likes to be anti semetic
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no one has ever walked up to me sarcastically slow clapping & now I feel like I've never had a full college experience 😔
I wish I could walk up to people and sarcastically slow-clap at them but being that much of an asshole in real life takes an insane amount of confidence
Some kid did this to me in junior high after I did a presentation for a group project. He waited until the video was over and started slow clapping. He was an ass.
I will have a service where its almost like cameo but instead people can pay me to walk up to them somewhere slow clapping and monologue to them about a topic they choose
@@souper.scooter this is a genius idea. I would absolutely pay for this.
Bruh teacher did this to me and my classmates since almost primary school lol
my brother had a shirt that said “jesus christ” instead of the cocacola logo and the tagline was “eternally refreshing” and i thought it was the hardest shirt in existence
Ngl that's really funny
I had a Pepsi: The Choice of a Generation parody shirt that read Jesus: The Choice of the LAST Generation and I maintain it was the hardest shirt in existence, even if that was an entire generation ago
ngl i would buy that shirt
it is though
it is
“If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed” - Albert Einstein
As someone with the same birthday as him IVE ALWAYS FUCKING SAID THIS. If you rely on religion to be a good person you’re not a good person,
The way the Bible justifies this mindset is pretty simple - humanity IS a sorry lot, in fact every single human aspect that is positive is single-handedly attributed to God's influence, while everything else humans do is our own fault.
@@boianko Which is pretty funny when looking at the Old Testament god, who displays a lot of the faults of humanity and few of the positive aspects.
@@lonestarlibrarian1853 The old testament is absolutely wild. There's so many scary shit to learn about as a kid...
@@lonestarlibrarian1853 Perhaps, but I think you underestimate just how vile and disgusting the Bible paints humanity as. The books Ecclesiastes, Genesis (the flood specifically) and Job are perfect examples of this view - no suffering is too great to not be deserved, and no human action can have even a small semblance of meaning or goodness according to those books. The best thing a person can do is completely depersonalise themselves and devote every fiber of their being to God without ANY second thought (since as we know from the New Testament many thoughts themselves are equal to committing physical sins)
Prince of Egypt is legitimately a work of art, I'm not Christian anymore but I would still watch the hell out of that movie.
Yes! It's so beautifully animated. And the music... such a great movie
one of mt favorite movies of all time❤️it means so much to me still
it's honestly a little more Jewish than Christian imho
@@dunjunart it's based on a story from the bible.
@@P4rz1va1 much of the Bible is based on the Torah lmao the Jewish holiday of Passover is a commemoration of the final plague of Egypt and the freeing of the Hebrews (Jewish people)
Philosophy professor in God's Not Dead: Sign this athiest paper or you FAIL!
My actual philosophy professor: tbh guys I'm a bit hungover and my wife is leaving me so we're just gonna watch some star trek episodes and chill
fr no philosophy teacher has been that hard line about anything. like the ultimate conclusion of most philosophy is that there are no hard answers but it’s helpful to talk through and discuss potential theories on the unknowable questions of life. being hardline and belligerent on something like the existence of god is kind of anti-philosophy
oh 100%. i minored in philosophy in college and never once have i had a philosophy professor outright say an opinion is wrong, that’s the antithesis of philosophy. no philosopher worth their credentials will ever shut down something as uncertain as the existence of god, even if they don’t think there is one. the only time any of my philosophy professors had a hard line was when a student said garlic is objectively bad. philosophy is (or should be) about open minded conversation, even when debates or arguments get involved. and when it gets riled up it’s almost never a “NO YOURE WRONG” it’s usually more throwing a proof against someone else’s theory at then like a brick (i.e. diogenes and the plucked chicken)
my philosophy teacher makes a "I'm not trying to attack religion" disclaimer in class so often that at this point he just says "insert disclaimer here," it's our inside joke now lmao
@@xSmythosx was the student who said garlic was bad a vampire
Yeah, I feel like the writers of this movie have never had a philosophy class in their lives.
“No reason to be moral”. It’s called empathy? Knowing your actions or words could hurt other people should be enough to prevent you from doing those things. Why do you need the threat of hell or the reward of heaven to be a good person? That’s like people who only follow the law because of the punishment not because those things are wrong and bad to do.
Seriously Christians who insist people are only moral to avoid Hell are telling on themselves more than they realize
BASED
exactly, if you need a threat of hell to remain virtuous then you were never a good person to begin with.
Don't you know empathy is only bestowed upon the religious /s
the thing is, there are actual people who wishes they can do things but can't cuz of the laws and punishment 🤦 while i'm not religious at all, i can see it's importance to hold brain dead people down 😂
8:21 my fav movie detail is that the costuming folks couldn’t be bothered to dress the Muslim leading lady in appropriately modest clothing or even wrap her headscarf correctly!!! really cements the idea that her identity & culture is nothing but a plot device that can be removed when convenient 🤩
edit: spelling
Ikr. That was is no a way a burkha. They should have just given her a hijab since she should be unmarried instead of the botched up burkha.
thought the same thing. the scarf was so haphazardly put on.. The dad can't have cared that much lol.
Also, her arms are bare. Most Muslim girls I know wear long sleeved clothes, and the ones that wear pants tend to wear them with loose fabric. Also, why is her scarf so ugly? I’ve seen so many scarves with pretty colors and designs, they didn’t have to give her a raggedy one 😂
@@gregjayonnaise8314 this!! the fact that she wore short sleeves and her neck & hair weren’t even covered by her scarf really demonstrates how little thought went in to her character.
@@gregjayonnaise8314 There’s a shop in my area that sells scarves. The scarves come in many different colors and designs.
I love how the girl in God's not Dead says "I refuse you to go up against this professor in his own classroom" like it's his lair and he has special lair attacks.
Legendary actions
His CR must be insane
CR 30 College Professor
Dude he’s got resistance to radiant damage in there, how well do you think these paladins would do there?
Bro's got the elemental advantage
I straight up had a shirt that looked like it said twilight on it but it actually said jesus is thelight instead lmao
i love jesusfreakcore shirts. they're so creative
HELPPP thats so funny
I HAVE THAT SHIRT
I had that same shirt and wore unironically growing up 😂. I wore because I genuinely loved Twilight but I also loved Jesus as well 🤣🤣🤣.
!!!! i have one from when i was 16 that’s captain america’s shield but with a cross in the center lolol
The fact that some people feel God is the only thing stopping them from not doing horrible things is terrifying
As an atheist that literally means nothing is stopping them 😭
Well the real argument is, without God moral standards are plastic and can be changed for any reason, so the only thing separating Jim Jones and Joe Everyman in practice is consensus. That turns into a million other little ethical wildfires when we look at historic mob behavior (i.e. every riot and lynching in history). In practice, Atheists are just borrowing the ethics and morality of traditionally Christian western powers and assuming that consensus is just intuition. It's extremely shortsighted when you realize that human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism were commonly held social values all over the world until relatively recent Christianization ended such practices. There was no intuitive value proposition in these peoples to tell them such things were wrong, they had to be told.
@@TheManonCanon We're unstoppable 👿
@@nicka.9057 is the devil emoji intended as irony? And you do realize we were talking about doing terrible things…
@@TheManonCanon Yes
in high school my brother got caught with weed and my parents forced us to start going to church to try and "save" him, we went every sunday and it got to the point where our parents were making us go on mission trips and all kinds of crazy jesus stuff. at some point the church approached me and they asked me to play drums in the church band - my mom was there and basically forced me to agree to it. I had to bring my own personal drum set every sunday which meant waking up early to pack all of my gear and having to stay late to put it all back up. basically I was doing this for free and thought the rest of the band was also doing it for the "charity" of church or whatever.
This was absolutely not the case.
the rest of the band including the backup singers were ALL getting paid to be there, and from what i had learned it was quite a decent amount (would have been a good amount for a young man like myself in my mid-late teens), I had asked them before i accepted the offer to play in the band if there would be any pay and the pastor LIED TO MY FACE and told me that everyone was doing it for the love of god. you can imagine my anger when I found out that they were literally taking advantage me, a young teen. I remember the day that I quit I walked up to the pastor and told him how i felt so betrayed that the other members were getting paid and he made up some story trying to gaslight me that I specifically said i didnt want the money or something (absolute bullshit, ive always been money motivated). and at that point i just left and never came back.
The whole ordeal backfired on my parents tremendously, it turned me into an atheist lol. Organized religion did damage to my emotional and psychological health that Im pretty sure is irreparable.
and all that happened over weed man. Actions really do be having unintended consequences (saying this more in regard towards your parents in this situation)
@raye_wonderland1276 I think it's a combination. There are a lot of churches that take advantage of people and tell them to force Christianity on others, for fear of hell or whatever. Your mom sounds cool, but this happens.
You rejected God because you were mad at your parents 😭
That's terrible, I'm sorry man. I hope you're doing better now.
@Raye_Wonderland jokes dawg not a big deal 🤷🏽♂️ he/she rejected God because he/she was abused then does that help? Both are stupid reasons. The main thing is all you know about this person in one TH-cam comment so who gives a shit of course they have other reasons for why they rejected God.
For a TikTok, a kid asked his mom if she’d kill him if God commanded her to. She said “he wouldn’t ask me that.” To which he responded with “what if he did?” And she said “Well if god commands me to then I would” BROOOO????? This shit scares me. All logic goes out the window
Aha, the plot of Binding of Isaac 😅
So God never asked Abraham to sacrifice Issac? That just didn't happen I guess.
"He wouldn't ask me that" - He literally did! That story of Abraham (and ordering the genocide of the Midianites, and the flood, and the rules regarding enslavement) was what made me realize that if the Bible is an accurate account of the character of God (big if, for a host of reasons), then he's actively malevolent.
@@indigopines issac and his mom irl???
Ok but to be fair... if God is asking you to do something that means that somehow you've discovered he actually is real meaning heaven and hell are real and everything in the Bible is true so like what is she supposed to do? Tell God no and spend eternity in hell?? Nah man I'm doing whatever that entity says lol
“How can you hate someone who doesn’t exist”
Dude I hate so many fictional characters that is not an argument.
God does exist
@@blaizegottman4139 cool you can believe that but this comment has nothing to do with whether he exists just that that is a bad argument.
@@blaizegottman4139 For you.
its funny hearing this from another bnha fan LOL same tho
@@reneedailey1696 what about me
“There’s a god in that classroom, and I’m him.” Hardest line ever dropped tho.
He isn't God though
Rewatching it for laughs I also said “dayumn” 🤣
@@blaizegottman4139 Well duh. It's a line from a cheesy movie and God isn't real.
@@blaizegottman4139 I mean, you could make the argument that he is. We're all gods in a sense, in the way that god is in all of us
@@reneedailey1696 of course he's real. He's me 😈 (I am agnostic this is a joke)
ever since i got sent to rehab (at 16) my parents have ramped up the christianity tenfold. as a queer, mentally ill person, the religious trauma is strong when my mom tells me “god is punishing you for what you did” like no i’m dealing with withdrawals from addiction. Anyways loved this video I really feel like you’ve found your niche
don't be depressed, be faithful
@@alexamderhamiltom5238 😐
@@alexamderhamiltom5238 If your god is so powerful, why doesn’t he just cure everyone’s depression?
@@alexamderhamiltom5238 Why doesn’t he make all the souls brave?
@@kirabad-artist6532 because he made a deeply flawed species and then punishes us for being deeply flawed. He'd have no fun if he made us the way he expects us to be.
It's like when a parent never teaches you something and then gets mad that you don't know it
No joke, we had this poster in my Christian high school that had a list of every mainstream band and their Christian Alternatives. I used it to discover better artists because I’d only known the Christain artists.
Lol true it hurt itself in confusion energy
Like when the DARE people would tell kids al the street names for drugs and who may try to sell them
Making it easy to find drugs lol
Lecrae is the gateway drug of secular rap and is the sole reason I got into it more. Still Christian tho
hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I found out that Evanescence was a Christian band a few weeks ago and I don't know how to deal with this information lol
I’d call that a win in my book
so i went to a catholic middle school, and we'd have religion class every day. i was one of the teacher's favorites, because i was really invested and usually asking questions and trying to debate him on tougher points. i'll never forget one day, toward the end of the year in eighth grade, he called me over to his desk and said "hey i've got this movie i was thinking of showing the class, i think you'll enjoy it," and he pulled out god's not dead. i guess my face screwed up or something, because he went "oh have you seen it?" and i told him that i had heard from friends that it was really corny and mischaracterizing and propaganda-y, so he said "okay. i trust you. we won't watch it then." and he gave me the dvd and told me to throw it in the trash. so i threw it out, and uh yeah we never watched god's not dead anyways love u mr. i
This is very wholesome ❤️
Happy for u, whenever i asked questions it felt like the teacher was ready to murder me
this is rlly cool, it's always nice when people in religious groups like a church or otherwise have the maturity to calmly and respectfully bounce off the other people there with each others' thoughts, it's just nice and can make any religion an interesting thing to put time into :] I'm not too religious anymore but it always makes me happy when people in any faith are just like. cool to each other about stuff and communicate respectfully lol
@@lugoorstar what the hell man?
@@lugoorstar bro what :(
Her: “I have Cancer”
Him: “Grow up “
Me: Dude, her Cancer is literally maturing.
Bruh, no joke. That quote actually rooted from early chemophobic creationist fundamentalists who thought cancers are related to the Cabal and Jews controlling people with the mark of the beast, lol. Some of them came from outright Godwin's law, such as the holocaust deniers.
Not even straw atheists such as the Dawkin wannabes in the movie.
I’m a Scorpio. It’s not that hard.
(This is a joke btw. I’m not dumb lmao)
*a son walk up to their father* father, I am leaving, I am a man, I have metastasized.
@@MooseShower😂😂😂😂
i think my favorite part about God's Not Dead is how clear it is that the writers never stepped outside their Christian bubble, nor their White bubble
like the Chinese guy and his dad speak in Chinese over the phone...but one guy is speaking Mandarin and the other's speaking Cantonese. it's hysterical!
and that's not even getting into the Islamphobia of it all
like the dad forces his daughter to wear niqab--which is wrong, but unfortunately it does happen. even secular parents police what their kids wear. but also the whole niqab is worn incorrectly; its literally just a scarf around her head and pulled over her nose. while it's not uncommon to wear a hijab with another scarf over the face, niqab is technically a separate garment (at least three garments, if you wanna get technical)
more importantly, a niqab is worn with looser clothing (or at least with an abaya) not a 3/4 raglan tee with your cleavage out
(3/4 sleeves are more acceptable with a hijab*, but as niqabs are more modest they're meant to be worn with more modest clothing, y'know?)
((*okay so "hijab" is technically an umbrella term for the certain decorum Muslims, regardless of gender. but the word itself is commonly used to refer to the one scarf wrapped around your head style, especially in North America. but garments like niqab also qualify has Hijab. not a major issue but wanted to clarify))
Glad you did.
Wow these writers and directors truly are terrible at their jobs lmao
holy shit lol that's hilarious. It's like they didn't even try
Like when I say the Asian in the movie I was like.. now they are gonna say "communist bad. Communism hate God" and lo and behold he's from China so they are implying that anti communist talking point.
The God’s not Dead section reminded me a lot of how my old pastor would talk about college as a whole. He’d talk at length about these “godless professors brainwashing people”. It’s so obvious that a lot of pastors and folks who make these films have never been to a regular college.
The Duck Dynasty guys and the Pureflix creator actually have been. The entirety of hate against higher education is ultimately an act to control the base. These are educated people, spewing propaganda that they know isn't true, with the intent to sell a product to ignorant people to reaffirm a false belief that actually hurts that very same group.
The scene reads like a stereotype cause the audience they are selling to expects one. It's just sad.
It makes me wonder what classes at Christian Universities are like. Pretty sure there was a church attendance requirement at the college my friend went to. Yet he had the gall to complain when his science class presented Climate Change as scientific fact.
Well, when your entire existence consists of brainwashing people, specifically tiny, tiny children that haven't been thought to think critically and now never will... you have to convince yourself that actually, it is the grown adults getting a higher education who are required to read more than a single book and who engage with more than one viewpoint in their lives that are being brainwashed.
For real, 100%
It's been 10+ years and I still walk around the house in panic thinking my whole family has been raptured but me cause I don't believe everything anymore. Religious trauma runs deep
One morning when I was like 17 I woke up to what felt like someone shaking my bed and I was like “give me a minute” until I realised that my solid wood bed frame couldn’t shake like that. I got up all panicked, and the clouds just happened to clear for a second and the sun shown brightly through my window and I said “no I’m not ready!” Out loud And then realised it was an earthquake
@@NixieEppler lol, reminds me of the time I was sleeping then was woken by the sound of a choir and several loud horns and trumpets. I froze in my bed in absolute fear that Jesus was coming back at that exact moment and those were the instrumental sounds of his angelic army; I knew I wasn't prepared. I ran to my window and looked outside, scared shitless, expecting to see floating chariots and the four apocalyptic doomsday horses. Turns out it was just my mom blasting church music.
Thanks, mom.
a similar thing happens to me every so often. usually just for a few minutes after waking up or getting out of bed when it's eerily quiet, because the rest of my family is still asleep.
but i've never been religious so the rapture doesn't cross my mind, it's more of an existential horror imagining even for a moment that they all might have died in like a car accident or something.
perhaps that's trauma too, idk. but it's very rare so it could just be random. the human brain acts in strange ways when deprived of sleep (or not fully awake in this case)
@@chainswordcs yh, i feel this way too sometimes. I always thought of it as some sort of invasive thought. Bc common sense tells me that it’s unlikely that has happened, and it’s a thought I don’t want to have, but it comes into my head anyway. It’s just a different form of fear and worry that you can’t write off because of sleepy delusion. I don’t think it’s abnormal.
@@chainswordcs it rlly only becomes abnormal and a cause for concern when it is frequent, you are fully awake, and you start to believe and act as if your thoughts have actually happened or are about to.
When you realize how much time Josh spent making custom power point animations for his presentation, you begin to realize his girlfriend had a point.
The fact a large chunk of twenty one pilot’s songs are about religious trauma and struggling with faith makes Nick having a twenty one pilots phase even funnier
as a Christian, I rlly didn’t realize that a lot of their songs were about religious trauma. what songs in particular are you talking about?
@@cherryred11 a lot of their older stuff mostly. “Implicit Demand For Proof” and “Addict With A Pen” from the self titled album are two of the more obvious ones but there are allusions to religion in a lot of their other works, notably “Glowing Eyes”, “Anathema”, “Be Concerned”, “Ode To Sleep”, “Holding On To You”, and “The Judge”
To get a better idea though you can look up “twenty one pilots songs about religion” and a couple people have made some lists of specific instances where tøp is referencing stories/verses from the Bible
Tyler Joseph is openly Christian so idk what the hell you’re talking about lmao
@@steakfilly5199 dude listen to his songs. He had a song called “blasphemy” for crying out loud. You can be openly Christian and struggle with faith/experience religious trauma. He expresses in his music that his battle with depression was a major reason for why he questioned his beliefs
@@pixel4o4 that’s a good point lol
The goal of the movie wasn't ever about convincing someone, it was about catering to Christians - making them feel good.
Throughout high school, I worked as a hostess in a restaurant in Malibu. The owners were a deeply religious Christian couple and were friends with David AR White, the founder of PureFlix. He was beginning to divorce his wife and came in on a date. They sat at the table for nearly 5 hours (We had a 2hr limit) and engaged in some heavy PDA. I always remember that when I see ads for PureFlix stuff.
Thanks for sharing the lore! 😂
Christian hypocrisy strikes again, lol!
Spending 5 hours at a restaurant sounds nightmarish
The funniest part about God is Not Dead, which you touched on, is the fact that the main character isn't arguing with an atheist the whole time. He's arguing with a Christian who's pissed off at God. The premise of the movie literally can't get off the ground bc it's actually just two christians arguing with each other.
And he’s clearly a Richard Dawkins parody.
@@JennyCThree Maybe but despite my general contempt for Richard Dawkins at times he 100% makes way better arguments
The sad part is that some Christians do really think atheists are just Christians in denial
It's cuz Evangelicals assume everyone secretly "knows" that God's real and their interpretation of him is correct.
@@firewolfandrewb Exactly, the bible says that everyone already believes, so they assume that's the case because they believe in the bible axiomatically. They can't even imagine disagreement.
i remember watching god’s not dead when i was younger, like 11, because it was on netflix and for some reason, my interest was peaked. after, i was filled with so much fear and anxiety that because my family didn’t go to church, we would all die. after seeing the ending scene with the professor, i spiraled into a panic and cried to my grandmother (who was, and still is, an avid church go-er) about how scared i was that this was what was going to happen to my family and i will never forget her saying, “god doesn’t work like that, ever. unless it’s for people who have done biblical wrongs like denounce him like murder, hate his message, and actively go against the bible” and i remember that pushed me away from everything relating to christian faith.
even as an avid Catholic, i absolutely feel you for the fear. I'm really sorry you had to experience that fear, it truly sucks :"( I also remember as a kid being scared as hell bc i'd go to hell if i don't obey God.
@@ayakaimpacts Damn that sounds traumatic. One of the reason I'm against introduction of religion to kids. Let them grow old enough to choose what they wanna believe instead of brainwashing them young.
@@ayakaimpacts the older I get the more and more I realize how many people use God and paint them to be an abuser. Like I know it's not all Christians, some of the most kind people I've met in my life are Christian. It just makes me mad sometimes that I didn't see it growing up when it was so glaringly obvious
Edit: things like saying you only need him to live. Only being friends with people in the church. Heck just the hate that's sometimes thrown at LGBT people is enough
I saw some christian movie that butchered a school shooting story.
I already didn't want to be religious and we called that movie "Fucked up" universally and did not enjoy it.
Sorry to hear that you had that experience. That whole franchise is so awful and damaging to what actually good Christians stand for. I wish that more of the Church would be willing to look inward and realize that the reason so many people leave or are turned away is because of the trauma they cause
my ethics professor in college taught the "morality is impossible without God" nonsense, he then sued the school for telling him to respect trans students, he also compared gay marriage to "marrying the family dog"
Did you vomit directly on him?
“ethics”
genuinely, wtf does an ethics class teach?
my ethics prof didn’t believe in god haha it’s like we experienced each side of the spectrum
@@Kaislyngmine talked ab philosophy and the morality/ethics of different actions in relation to many issues. we talked about lots of current issues and old ones, prob my favorite class i’ve taken in college so far
I had an acquaintance in 8th grade that always tried to get me to go to his youth group, and one day I did. When I stood in with the group for a religious musical performance, I saw all the other kids surrounding me including my friends break down into hysterics with their arms in the air genuinely crying and acting possessed. It scared me away how they lost their minds just because of some generic Christian rock song.
Another thing was during a Bible reading or something, one of the kids asked the pastor if people who take their own lives and gay people really go to hell; and the pastor said something like "yes, we might not understand it, but that's because God's plan are beyond our understanding" or something. I didn't talk to the kid who invited me much after because it became awkward when I respectfully said it wasn't for me. I genuinely tried to make myself believe in God for years, I wanted something to help my life feel more fulfilled and feel like everything would be okay. But I just couldn't make myself believe. Maybe one day.
I mean, there’s plenty of religions and beliefs aside from Christianity. Hell even agnostics and atheists gave their own things.
Religion isn’t the only thing that can make your life fulfilled.. You don’t have to believe in Christianity or make yourself believe.. There’s other religions to follow that you could look into it as well. But don’t do it because you think you SHOULD but because you genuinely want to. Again though, there’s so much that can make you feel fulfilled in life not just religion! 💜
@@KingOfGaymes I know that, but I'm sort of rebuilding my life after a long time struggling with drug addiction. I've been clean for 4 years but it takes a while to feel whole. The addiction and all the damage that comes with it causes lasting traumas, you know? I always felt something was missing and struggled with mental health so much that I started using when I was only 15. I am working toward finding all the things that will give my life more meaning and fulfillment, while also doing the harder things that have to be done to support myself and rebuild. Hopefully I'll get there one day. I'm trying to find my calling and jump into hobbies and passions more. For the time being I'm stuck in my little geographic area, but would like to travel one day.
you basically described my 14 year-long journey at catholic schools in a nutshell. 8th grade is the exact year they started specifically bringing up gay people, i remember it bc my uncle was out at the time and i couldn’t comprehend why people would blindly judge & condemn a normal human being. and for a decade before that, the lessons all say jesus loves everyone! it’s insanity how they rope you in with love & will turn to hate just to benefit from othering people. anyway, just my two cents, thank you for sharing your story.
why were they acting possessed?
I was homeschooled in middle school and high school, and my mom sat me down, forced me to watch God's Not Dead and told me that this is what it would be like if I went to high school or college. Like that a teacher would fail me if I proclaimed my faith. Even when she said that, I had a hunch it wasn't really going to happen - shocker I was right.
At my old church my sibling and I were one of the only people who went to public school. Most went to this very conservative and religious private school. My mom was at one of the meetings they had for the church and the ones that home schooled or private schooled all truely believed that's what went on in public school. My mom shut them down real quick saying "how can you know that if you've never taken your kid to public school? This has literally never happened to my kids." They probably felt the same way still but I'm glad my mom shut that BS down when she heard it
It was a really weird experience being one of the only public school kids. The church would say "your close friends should only be from the church" but at the same time the kids from church treated you weird. They'd form cliques and it'd never really get past a superficial relationship even after years of attending
we MUST teach the FEAR
Wow
What conservatives don't expect, these days because of lgbt acceptance in the class room, they want to homeschool more so they can shelter their kids, I knew it would make lots of conservative parents end up with children that don't want to visit them and etc, but I never got insight into the life of someone in this situation and I really appreciate it
My favorite "Christian movie" is The Prince of Egypt. It's actually a really good animated film. Even tho it's basically Bible Fanfiction, it's better than a lot of Disney movies from that era.
i still stand by prince of egypt being the best animated film ever
Yeah, Prince of Egypt and Veggie Tales both slap
The music is amazing and animation still holds up to this day! And at least they got one thing right: for once none of the characters were white!
still listen to that soundtrack regularly
Moses is hot in that movie
For the mustard seed thing it's like a metaphor cuz mustard seeds are tiny but turn into a huge plant. It's about like growing your faith basically. (I almost became a nun. Now Im trans and I smoke weed.)
the plot twist
Hell yeah
based
Smoke weed all you want lmao your life expectancy will go down 😂😂😂
@@QuinnThomasFootball lol that’s just inaccurate the science says otherwise
as a christian , sometimes i see christian propaganda and see christian’s talk and i’m blown away like what r y’all doing?
Same lol
Fr as a satanist I'll look around at all religions (including the different branches of satanism I'm no hypocrite) and see all the different propaganda and content they make and just- ??? I thought the people who make things for religious purposes were here to have fun and make things to let people know their religion is here to accept new people and to have something fun for existing members not be atrocious and turn people away 😭
@@StellarSaturn7440 nerd. real satanists would laugh at you. and i mean the elite luciferian satanists
The Bible is fiction. Type Bible Criticism and let your illusions be shattered by facts. So the Christian hustlers look for rubes who never question this cult.
@@kkatgurl Christian brainwashing- when done by an amateur - looks sleazy. The Bible is fiction, so the Christian hustlers sometimes look crazy. Sensationalism is how they do it. THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!! ETC.
I remember watching God's Not Dead with my youth group some years ago and I was so moved by the end that i actually texted my friends that God wasn't dead. Hands down cringiest shit I've ever done and I am so thankful that not a single one of them acknowledged it
You're not alone, while they never showed god's not dead at a church i used to go to, i remember once they had some seminar with a guest speaker. I was so moved i started taking my bible to school and trying to preach to random people, and when people made fun of me for it (which wasn't actually that common, but at the time I felt like EVERYONE was laughing at me) I would go off in a corner and read by myself. Eventually the cringe of my own behavior snapped me out of it but that went on for a little while.
Wow I can feel the cringe from here. Glad you ain’t like that no more
One of my relatives texted me that back then. I was in a campus ministry back then, and I still found it cringy.
Oh man I can relate. I hit peak cringe after my retreat for communion. I can still scroll down my songs on my iPhone and find a list of Christian songs from back then. 😂
ooo i did that! i regret it to this day 😖😖😖
My cousin, at 18, was in a car accident with a few of his friends. A couple died instantly, the driver was fine, and my cousin suffered for most of a day before dying, and at his funeral, the pastor for his church actually pulled the "his suffering was a gift, so he had time to ask for forgiveness" thing.
Oof... I'm sorry about that. Pastor seemed like a douche.
yikes
That's really really sad "he suffered, but at least he ain't going to hell like those probably will for not asking God's forgiveness " is a pretty depressingly mean subtext to apply to a tragedy.
Oof size: MAXIMUM
Gods not dead is great as a comedy, but that’s not what it was intended to be.. it was intended to be serious.. Which makes it even funnier in a way
I have this game that I play with myself where I pick a random media piece and go "surely there can't be fanfiction of this", and there always is. I did this with God's Not Dead, and to my horror/delight there was slash fics of the two pastor dudes. I didn't read any because I was too busy dying of laughter, but I have some saved for when my friend comes over to cry-laugh.
@@ilikebread757 there are fanfics of everything.. e v e r y t h i n g
@@ilikebread757 Spill the tea 🔫
I remember when we had to watch that movie at school (a strict christian school) and everyone in the room thought it was hilarious lol
In that way, I like to think of it as a Christian Twilight
bro I was just going through your acc to find something I hadn't watched yet and you posted this. gods on my side fr 😫😫😫
Fr fr me too 🙏🏼🙏🏼🤣
I was just watching the deranged dms episode he was on
God is not green.
God loves u.
Nah I’m kidding, he said ur a nerd
@@krusher181 did he tell you that? Fake as hell
I was not allowed to go to church (banned by my mom) after I started having panic attacks at age 5, sobbing inconsolably, throwing up, etc. because my entire family was going to go to Hell because my older brother was born out of wedlock and my dad is an atheist etc. We lived across the street from the church in a tiny town and I was allowed to go there by myself all the time until that point. My mom says she was so scared of how brainwashed I was that it was what made her officially leave religion altogether (I'm surprised she was still clinging on at that point because she also said she was forced to stand in front of the church she had grown up in and say that she regretted having my brother because she wasn't married yet, then they forced her to marry my dad who was cheating on her the whole time, and then when my brother was diagnosed with Autism they told her it was because he was conceived out of wedlock and God was punishing both her and him for it)
I was then raised athiest but at age 15 I got really into Christian Punk Rock, not in a religious way I just really liked the early 2000's style and the lyrics that were emo but not in a way that would get me in trouble at school for writing them in the margins of my work. I liked to play a game called "Is he talking about God or his girlfriend" with my friends, where I would read out lyrics out of context, and the dirtier they sounded the more likely it was to be about God ("I want to be inside you" and "You make me feel like an exploding star" type stuff. whaaat that's not dirty he means Jesus)
Tangentially related I discovered Christian Punk Rock because I was obsessed with Power Rangers at age 15 and in the sound track of Power Rangers Ninja Storm there is two songs by Relient K so I then painstakingly ripped every Relient K song one at a time off youtube to put on my ipod lmao
Did you listen to Flyleaf? I was an atheist in high school but their music goes harddddd and got me through my abusive home environment.
holy shit that's awful, I do hope things have gotten better tho
@@maplefoxxo Oh we're good now, we only go to Universalist Unitarian churches now (and not very dedicatedly haha), my mom is now atheist and I am agnostic xD
10:26 I think the most unrealistic thing about God's Not Dead is that there would still be students attending class at that point. You know a few people would've gone to the dept chair to complain about how their class has gone so far off the rails. Probably at least a few of them wouldn't have shown up after the first day. And there probably would be one kid that would've interjected in the middle of the whole "God's Not Dead" speech and talk about how this is not what they signed up for.
fr what college student is gonna sit through some other kid hijacking the class they paid a few thousand dollars for, so unrealistic
Instead in this movie you can see them all taking notes and look super interested. College students are some of the most cynical beings in the universe, they are the last people that would be convinced by his weak straw man arguments.
But if all the students complained, that would go against our dumb propaganda that college is evil
@@Chillerll Don't forget that part where they all stand up in unison and proclaim they are now all Christians, defying the mean old angry Atheist man. And those Christians? Albert Einstein.
Fun fact: the script was based on an actual lawsuit involving a university professor who really did things like have his students sign their names under “God is dead”
i grew up catholic and i’ve always wondered why christian kids seem so ‘obsessed' with jesus. like we use the same scripture, have the same holidays etc... but i don’t know any catholic that talks about god or jesus outside of a religious context lol. so getting a window into this world was very informative. thank you!!
I grew up Protestant (specifically Baptist) and there was always a big emphasis on evangelism and being "born again". While faith is important, I think there's kind of an unspoken rule in a lot of Protestant denominations that salvation comes through action, and as such missionary work in evangelism are considered very important.
In fact, a pretty big difference is that for Baptists, you don't get baptized until you are old enough to understand the ramifications of what that means, so usually like 13+, primarily because you can't really comprehend or take action on any of these ideas until you're older, even if they start the initiation much earlier.
It's also worth noting, I'm pretty sure the Catholic Bible is different. The Protestant Bible lacks a few books, like 1st and 2nd Maccabees, and a few others. I don't think it has a major impact on theology, I think political and historical circumstances play a much larger role, but it's certainly part of it.
Personally, I'm not religious anymore, but I still find the theology in first thing because you basically have three separate world religions all based Judaism, two of which are larger than the thing they spawned from, and then those to break down into so many more complex denominations based on slight differences in opinion. It's kind of wild.
Same. I always found it annoying/boardering on disturbing in some cases. I'd have protestant friends that just made it their entire personality at certain points in our childhood. As soon as they found out or realized I was one of those dirty-papist-mary-worshipping-pagan folks, they'd start trying to evangelize... it was super fun.
@@pennyforyourthots Obviously I don't know your personal experience, but theologically among protestants it's huge that salvation comes through grace only, not our actions.
Christianity is so vast. Most Catholics I know only follow their faith once a week, but I know there are those who are just as devoted With Jesus in the forefront of their lives.
Idk, I think if you’re a Christian that means Jesus should be at the forefront of your life, right?
@@TheNinjapancake14 in my experiance in catholicism, what I’ve taken away is less about worshipping the figures of Jesus and god, and much more on how you, as a person, are living your life and interacting with others. catholicism is far from perfect (im more agnostic at this point tbh), but I appreciate the values the church has instilled in me.
As someone still trapped in the church this video was very cathartic for me, so thank you for that
Embrace how stupid and silly those people are at the church. So pompous in their little outfits, judgemental freaks.
Hope you’re able to escape soon! Stay strong!
watching this video while my sister hysterically prays in our shared room:,)
❤
I was where you are. it won’t be like this forever ! keep going !
I went to a Christian school starting in 2016-2021. At that point I was DEEP in the closet and the fact that I went there during the election made the conservativism really ramp up.
Needless to say it was very anxiety inducing and actually attempted a few times and ended up going to rehab at 18, never finishing high school.
I'm 20 now and working on getting my diploma and it's crazy to look back and see how many things there were that I thought was normal but totally wasn't (ex. Going to chapel every week, having a devotion/prayer at the beginning of every class, etc.)
Religion can be great for some people, and horrible for others. I wish more Christians recognized that
Hope your doing well man :)
Most do it’s the ones in positions of power that don’t.
I am glad you are still here
christians don't realize that because they're stupid. You have to be an idiot to buy into their scam.
Glad that you made it out, friend. Hope that you're doing better now!
Grew up baptist. Raised by parents "called by god" to homeschool, church 3 times a week, woke up early to read Bible verses before breakfast. Immediately put all that behind me when I moved out at 18, but this video has really taken me back because a lot of this media was literally all I had growing up.
I'm gay and living an amazing life on my own terms now, but I wish I could be doing that and also be a Christian like I was raised. It's such a shame I had to choose. I'm sure not every church is like that but the one I was raised in was extremely controlling.
There are methodist churches that are open to queer folks. It all boils down to whether you want your parents to be disappointed in you for leaving the church or going to a different one.
Hi! Just here to second what the other person said. I'm pan and genderfluid and my fiance is nonbinary. I currently go to my fiance's church, which is a Methodist church, and despite being in a small town in Arkansas everyone I've met there has been very loving and accepting, even the older adults/elders who I was frankly scared to interact with after hearing how people back in my hometown used to talk. At this point in my life, I'm more comfortable being openly queer in that church than I would be in a room of even my closest family members.
I've also been to a Presbyterian church which was also really accepting. My ex was on the staff there for a semester and they publicly announced me as her girlfriend at one of their functions when she first started, when they also announced another staff member and her boyfriend, and it made me feel more accepted than I had in the church in a very long time.
Absolutely no pressure from me to go out looking for a church, just wanted to share in case my experiences might offer you a bit of hope.
It’s rules that people have. Let’s say everyone in the world was morbidly obese, and there was man who could make you healthy all you have to do is go on a diet and workout. Everyone would like that man, but if everyone was forced to eat spinach and run miles everyone would hate him. The answer is CHOICE.
@@LicoriceLain I made a reply under the OG comment, but those churches at least from my point of view are wrong. The Goal of the church is to love everyone no matter what and also to obey what’s in the book. Jesus was eating with those he would’ve send to hell, to try to give them a great eternity. The answer isn’t compromise, but rather choice and compassion
If you ever wanted to go back to a church, google if there are any reconciliation churches near you! They’re a network of progressive congregations that are dedicated to LGBTQ+ acceptance.
I love when you talk about your experience with religion! I just left christianity a year or two ago and it's so nice hearing perspectives of other people who had a similar experience that I did.
I don’t agree with religion but I still love God ♥️
me too!! i was raised christian and my entire family is super conservative christian and i grew up going to crazy strict private schools and about two years ago i stopped identifying as christian and as of this point im not sure if i really believe in God. i believe in some higher power but i’m not sure what that means for me exactly. also, i’m pansexual which is really difficult because my family is so homophobic and i’ve had to stay closeted for years which of course has had a major toll on my mental health and largely effected my view on christianity and conservatism. anyways, sorry for the rant lol but yeah i’m in the same situation
@@lovrboi dude same
Enjoy your journey, my friend ✌️❤️
Yeah! It's hard to believe I only left Christianity a couple of years ago myself, it really is such an intense journey sometimes
Thank you for mentioning this! It's a similar concept as the reason why Conservative art isn't usually that good. There's a huge lack of depth since the only apparent reason for the art itself is to spread propaganda or to negate another party's propaganda. This causes the art to be shallow, low effort, and frankly shit lol I've heard a lot of awful Christian music that has kindergarten level lyrics and chords, yet adults will say these songs are so good and deep. It's not deep at all. There's no nuance at all. There's no commentary on anything in it. It feels empty, like its missing something, unless you already hold the beliefs it's trying to further. To an outsider, there's little to no substance to this type of conservative or Christian art most of the time
no i’m so sick of christian music, they recycle all the same chord progressions, drums, and religious metaphors,,,
Especially the music! The only Christian bands with actually deep lyrics i know of are The Oh Hellos and I Am Empire- the latter ironically often getting called satanic for being a rock lmao
tom macdonald in a nutshell, his raps are literally just right wing talking points over a cheaply produced 2013 eminem era type beat, and his fans eat it up and act like others are too dumb to understand, like no dude, he just has preschool level lyrics, you only think it’s smart because it aligns with your politics
@@employee4272 oh yes! Christian music is so incredibly shallow lol ZERO depth at all but many Christians seem to think its so meaningful. I grew up with Switchfoot, Robbie Seay, and music like that and it was always so boring, even if it was musically competent. My parents never seemed to understand why it didn't strike me as deep or meaningful. Its just shallow lol the words are so badly written (and the musical parts are usually pretty rudimentary too in many cases). Ive seen other commenters saying the same thing and im so glad im not the only one who feels this way lol
@@javiartem yes! If you read it out instead of rap it, its just what white middle school-aged boys with conservative fathers spew out because they dont know the reality. Not only is it shallow, its also not even the full facts. People who speak like Tom MacDonald don't really understand what theyre even talking about, so they cant make substantial commentary on it. I feel like a lot of Christians are similar with the Bible and their own religious teachings. The art is all surface level, digestible dribble being spoonfed to them so they dont have to understand it, they just have to spread it. Its sad
the pipeline from Christian rock to twenty one pilots is not talked about enough omg
…I didn’t know this was a thing. That explains so much lmao
So they make it seem like religion is bad
As a Christian myself, yeah you nailed it on the head. Religion wasn’t meant to be sold and while their actually is a lot of good Christian media most of it isn’t advertised as Christianity media, most of it isn’t insanely popular, and most of it isn’t considered “Christian enough” to pass because not every line is about god. For example, the song “praying hands” by Ty Brassel is about how he went from selling drugs in the trap to a Christian rapper, but i was asked to turn it off it at my youth group. It’s mildly ironic. also, the Bible is rated R in many places and XXX in several, and considering it talks about incest-prostitution and infant genocide in several places, I don’t see how explicit music is the bane of Christ.
The only good Christian movie I've seen is Prince of Egypt
Because it's not about the music it's about control.
We showed God's Not Dead at our church for free once and sold concessions for a youth group fundraiser. I worked popcorn for a very long time without eating anything and I passed out, so my dad took me home but I didn't get any of the fundraiser money because I didn't finish my concessions shift. My dad said it was a stupid movie and he thanked me for passing out so he didn't have to sit through it
Seems like they were just happy to keep more money for themselves then if they didn't want to pay you for work done because you didn't do all of it...
@@Darca1n christian charity
Poor kid
It physically hurts how much I relate to your childhood in Christianity 💀
Probably because you're atheist
SAME
It’s cathartic
Same.😑
Same, but I was catholic. So I had to convince my family that Christian Rock wasn't satanic
My Christianity relationship is strange with me being Native American and growing up on a reservation. It certainly was a source of hope for a lot of people needing it. Then I remember being weirded out by a missionaries kid and how he was forbidden from POKEMON because it was "satanic" 😂 I started questioning everything since then.
Kind of ironic that a missionary kid was who made you start questioning
I remember being extremely disappointed in my confirmation class when other religions were presented as flat caricatures of what they really believed, and being very disillusioned with the lies. It was one of the things that made me start researching the historicity of the Bible, and the house of cards fell shortly thereafter.
Interesting
my mom forbid me from pokémon because they evolved
how is pokemon satanic thats so silly 😭😭
Josh could have solved this issue by going to the admin of the school and saying “this is against my religious freedom” then he would have been fine
as an ex-Christian, it was horrible being forced to succumb to all of my moms christian radio stations... but lemme tell yall.. skillet is still a number one favorite that stays on all my playlists
Shame you're a former Christian
Your taste is your taste, and that's cool, but I genuinely hope that Skillet is only one of your favorites because you haven't listened to a ton of Christian hard rock. If you haven't heard of Project 86, Blindside, Grammatrain, Thousand Foot Krutch, or RED, please do yourself a favor and check them out!
Also coming from an ex-Christian, by the way. I 100% wouldn't waste my time with propaganda music unless it absolutely slapped.
switchfoot will always be the one I look back on, especially after having a bad experience at a skillet concert recently that really soured me on the band
I relate so much. I remember that my sister actually liked the Christian music and I didn't so my mom would make me feel bad by saying, "Well your sister likes it why don't you?"
dude the first time somebody dropped me a “god’s not dead” text back in the day, I legit thought I was getting a sort of veiled threat or something lmao
*Sees a fake newspaper headline, in his mind, about the "God's not dead killer."*
As a Muslim, this is one of the most American moments of all time.
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).
I love reformed church kids meming on the church as adults. An iconic genre.
Give Faith+1 a listen! Their best song is "Start Pleasing Jesus"
"I want to get down on my knees and start pleasing Jesus. I want to feel his salvation all over my face…"
That really spoke to me. Cartman is such a good, wholesome child of faith.
WHAT LMAO
I couldn't tell if he got the reference or not
I was about to post a comment about this great band as I don't think he got the reference. Thank you for sharing the good word of faith+1
@@Normenne thank you. Our faith was reignited by the wholesome nature of Faith+1, as I too am in love with Jesus, and it is important others spread the word.
It's too bad they broke up after one album 🥺 💔
Made the difficult decision to walk away from the church last year. All the hypocrisies as well as seeing how they warped my brother left me disillusioned.
Hey, I'm sorry man, I know how you feel. Seeing your loved ones vanishing into the echo chamber is frustrating and terrifying. I went through the same thing a few years before you, and while I still believe in a God, and I still think the teachings in the gospels are incredible if you ACTUALLY read them, I hate the church and what I've seen it do to people.
Anyway, all that to say my heart goes out to you. I hope you have people in your life who support and understand you.
@@grantandrews4826 Practically nobody argues against the teachings of the gospels, they argue against either the teachings of the rest of the Bible (seriously, fuck Paul) or the historicity thereof.
What are you talking about
@@grantandrews4826 so you hate the Church but you believe in God how does that make sense
@@blaizegottman4139 No one is obligated to explain themselves to you. Turn the other cheek if it bothers you.
Even though I am a Christian, I feel horrible for people with religious trauma and I am sorry that so many Christians are homophobic, misogynistic, and closed-minded. This video was really interesting to watch and I am so sorry that nick had a bad experience with religion.
Yea.
As a Christian myself, I feel the same way.
I'm Roman Catholic btw. (But I'm also Trans and Progressive.)
You said it. I'm a Christian myself as well as a goth.
The worst people I’ve encountered in life have been christians. The reason why I left as well.
@@SunIsLostYou think you’re making it to Heaven?
@SunIsLost so how do you justify supporting all the child rape?
I went to see God’s Not Dead with my friend (not for religious reasons) and we were laughing so hard and the only other people in there besides us were nuns :/
at a really young age, my dad heard me sing the word bitch bc of the alanis morisette song playing on the radio, and then my entire childhood we only had the christian radio stations playing in the car. lots of rebecca st james, newsboys, dctalk. it was helpful when asking for CDs by relient k, superchick, and paramore bc they were more mainstream but still publicly talked about being christian so i could say they were a christian band 😂 it’s been an interesting process deconstructing from christianity
Love relient k, I have a similar story 😂
"bitch" by meredith brooks, gets mistaken for an alanis song all the time
Which song was it 👀
Superchick & relient k were the gateway drug fr😂
lmao me when i was obsessed with twenty one pilots in middle school
As a 30 yr old black woman let's just say I've seen alot. Thank you Nick for your commentary on hip hop. You're what an ally is supposed to be. Great vid 🙂❤
"I have cancer."
"Oh grow up!"
😅😅😅
Best dialogue 12/10
2 sentence love story: "i have cancer,"
"GROW UP AMY."
was raised verrry catholic as a kid and then halfway thru ccd for confirmation i was like "I'm??? pretty sure i don't believe in any of this anymore?? ...did i ever??" and i was terrified the WHOLE TIME because i thought I'd get found out and punished 💀
anyway, it's been so great to see you regularly again nick! I'm glad you allowed yourself some time and grace - excited to see what you've got going for the rest of the year (hope there's more music!)
Same! I was in the car with my mom outside of the school that held CCD on Monday nights and I basically told her that I didn’t want to go anymore. I was in 6th grade and was about to be “held back” by a year because I stopped putting in effort.
My dad was turning away from Catholicism and Christianity at that time and it kinda indirectly gave me “permission” to recognize that I didn’t… actually… have to believe in all of it. My mom was terrified that I was gonna go to hell tho, but she got over it quickly lol. She was never a devout Catholic, thank god. So she never pushed it after that.
This is a recurring fear in Christian media: That their children will eventually outgrow Jesus in the same way they outgrew Santa and the Easter Bunny. There's a lot of paranoia, that they must shield their children from 'the world' or else that will happen.
This was a nostalgia trip lol. For a while, I was only allowed to listen to Christian music so I survived on TobyMac, Lecrae, KB, Canon, Trip Lee, Skillet, NF, 116, and so many more lol. Thankfully I grew up and my parents eased up but crazy how evangelical-raised kids really just had the same childhood.
One half of my family was very much like that. Christian music only and everything else was "of the devil." But my Dad has always been a big metal head. Spent my weekends and summers getting my brain mushed by christian propaganda then went home to listen to Black Sabbath and Korn, then went to school singing Nicki Minaj on the bus every day. Honestly, you can really tell by the quality of the art that Christian songs and media are produced with the main intent to indoctrinate and not to be generally enjoyable. I literally never liked a single one of the thousands of Christian pop songs fed to me. I found them all pretty annoying even from a young age, but then again my parents used to play metal for me as a baby to get me to stop crying, so I don't know how much of it is the genuine quality versus my inherent predisposition.
*Edit: Just wanted to add that my poor little cousin, who is trapped in an extreme fundamentalist household, recently asked for a guitar and her dad took her to a shop and told them she only needed a guitar that could play contemporary gospel. The next time I saw her, she got so excited when she brought me the guitar and I started playing Def Leppard and Judas Priest and revealed to me that she too really loves Metal and Hard Rock. Apparently, no amount of indoctrination can stop the Metal.
@@TheAwesomes2104 Yeah, my dad and mom would still listen to their secular rock music, it was more of an issue with them not wanting me to listen to expletive music that talked about sex, drugs, etc., which I get, but goddamn it was frustrating being the kid at school who only listened to Christian music and was not in the know of anything going on (no social media (vine back then). Of course, once I started to grow up and started gaining my own taste in music, they stopped caring as much (which is also probably due to me and my brother exposing our parents to more "outside" things). Nowadays I'll show my parents songs every now and then that I think they'll like, but out of respect for them (and to not feel too embarrassed, like watching a sex scene with your parents) I tend to pick cleaner songs.
Skillet was one of my favorite bands until I saw pics of them performing on Candace Owens' show and John Cooper wearing an anti-mask/antivaxx tshirt
@@DiamondM97 oh goddamnit ofc
As an atheist I still like lecrae very much. His modern stuff is a lot more nuanced when it comes to his belief than most Christian music.
as a person who not only grew up ridiculously christian but with the added bonus of being in the church of the SALVATION ARMY, this video literally reached into my brain and took out so many memories I had in there, all the way down to the names of the christian bands. the only songs i was allowed to have on my ipod were 2000s christian rock bangers. i watched gods not dead nearly Every year at youth group. went to christian girl scouts, christian book club, "sacred dance" (dance class but christian, non-sexual, etc dances), vacation bible school, jesus camp for Most of my summer vacations, and more...... and it just ended up with me being a huge queer dude who kinda forgot most of those experiences. besides a few bible verses that i was forced to memorize. i'm guessing it's all kinda blank for a good reason. this video kinda helped me look back on all the fearmongering and trauma(?) and laugh at a good chunk of it. it really was that goofy.
same bro... same
So you used to be Christian but you became queer why
@@blaizegottman4139 because they didn't "become" "queer" they were always that way and realized it about themselves
@@salemisjuucy I see
Wasting childhoods becaise our families were selfish is sadly normalized in the US :(
I really appreciate how respectful and understanding you were during this video! I don’t think you know how much that means to me as a Christian who is constantly feeling disappointed and saddened by what other people who claim they are Christians do and say.
I would say in this video be was but in others he isn't really
@@TheJoshProject wait what does that mean
@@miguelatkinson I think they're saying that in other videos he's a bit more spiteful to religion
The greatest “christian” art is that by Sufjan Stevens. I put it in quotations because it doesn’t fall under the traditional use of that label upon art. As a queer christian man his art is a true reflection of his self and life experiences, and it was a good bridge in me accepting music with christian influences and themes (such as TPAB) after I fell out of religion. As far as best purely christian art, many orthodox hims do go hard and/or be bangers.
Illinois is the most ambitious folk album ever made imo. The horns are so fucking good
sufjan is really good. been listening to him a ton lately. my favorite Christian band would be half•alive though (specifically their album Now, Not Yet). the oh hellos are another good one tho idk that much about them to say if they’re a Christian band or just like made a Christian inspired album
But yea “John Wayne gacy Jr” is maybe the most empathetic song ever written. Sufjan is on another level fr
I didn't know he was Christian! His music is so genuinely good that I don't mind I guess.
I guess there’s a difference between Christian art and art made by a Christian. If I never saw this comment I would’ve never known that about Sufjan lol
i remember watching "god's not dead" in catechism in primary school. that movie made me question why i was a christian... im an atheist now
One of my favorite sleep shirts is from a vbc camp I went to as a kid. It has a sheriff cowboy gopher that says "have a rip roaring good time with Jesus." To me that's comedy gold.
I would absolutely wear that lmao
Fun fact! At age 10 all of the kids in RE was forced to watch the God is not dead film. It was traumatic.
What's RE?
@@ColumineMiette Religious Education, a class in the UK where you learn about random stuff and the teachers try and force a religious (usually christian) message into it.
If you thought God's not Dead was traumatic I don't think you can handle Passion of the Christ
@@scottybabb6223 they were ten ofc it's going to be distressing lmfao
@@INSANEASYLUMPSYCHICS oh I spent see that part
I worked at a Christian bookstore in 2014 and we played this movie on a loop 😭 Nick, god’s not dead, he’s surely alive - he’s living on this inside roaring like a lion 🦁 lmao I haven’t seen this movie in almost ten years and I still remember that gd song
I sang the whole this reading this 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m so sorry 😂😂😭😭
the newsboys kinda go crazy tho😹
I never watched the movie and I know that song almost word for word😭
I had a Christian friend in high school who was pretty cool but one morning she all of a sudden started following me around the school while constantly asking if I owned a Bible because she "just wanted me to be saved." We didn't talk much after that because that creeped me the fuck out.
Thats the only friend you had who cared about you
@@Polycubismi don’t think so hun 😅
@@Polycubismnu uh. That's more selfish than anything.
As a fellow person who was a “Jesus Freak” i really enjoyed this video as well as Nicks discussion of his religious trauma
not only was this video a great critique of christian culture, it made me feel so seen as someone who grew up super mega christian. especially when you talked about feeling guilty about listening to secular music and trying to force yourself to like christian stuff, that was always me!! love your vids so much dude
I jus wanna say that not every Christian is the same. We aren't supposed to force others to obey God or to even fo//ow, but because we're human we have the freedom of choice sooooo some are gonna, unfortunately, abuse the knowledge they've been give. I'm sorry for that, but it doesn't reflect on the genuine and intimate relationship that God wants with you :3
@@morgandixon1234 thanks for being nice or whatever but i dont want a relationship with god. christians really need to learn to not push their shit onto other people
@@hannahbibby4 well it’s not my own word but i get ya. Thanks for reading my reply tho annnd He loves you anyways:3
@@morgandixon1234 this is what i mean when i say christians need to learn to not force shit on people!! i dont wanna hear that he loves me bro stop that shit
@@hannahbibby4 but why does it bother u? i mean even if i don’t tell you it’s not gonna change the fact that He does love u…i can’t force how He has always been :/
Coming from someone who grew up atheist. half alive is a fantastic Christian band that tackles both the struggles and fears and living under a god, the human experience outside of their religion, and their love for their god in such a beautiful way, I really wish more religious bands could be like them
Agreed, half alive is fire.
This guys are probably the only band I listen to
they’re christian?
Thanks for the recommendation! I Am Empire is a really good one too.
This is such a small creator but I also really like Semler. They do a couple of secular music as well as religious. The ones I really enjoy are about their experiences being a LGBT Christian. One of their songs you can just feel the emotion and hurt as they're calling out all the Christian BS like mega churches, propaganda, etc and how much love they have for their God that doesn't represent any of that to them
I just HAVE to point out that the guy playing the atheist Professor is in fact the same guy who played Leonidas' best friend in Meet the Spartans, the 300 Spartans parody
Usually actors playing in those awful religious films are religious themselves but this guy played a guy with heavy homoerotic undertones next to a known porn star and i just find it funny
It would be, if not for the fact that Kevin Sorbo is one of the biggest WASP celebrities out there
@@johncaulfield8935 well ill be damned
Maybe spartans broke him 💀
DISAPPOINTED!
I remember staying up many nights as a child worried because I didn't really believe in God. I didn't know how to process feeling like I was doing something wrong by questioning the religion I was raised on. It was strange because although I didn't believe it was true, I was still afraid of going to hell and never seeing my family again.
I prayed to be able to just believe the way other people did. I wanted so badly to not doubt.
Thankfully my inability to blindly accept something as true just because someone else said it was has actually been a huge aid. Critical thinking has brought me so much enlightenment then Christianity ever did.
Thanks for sharing Nick
This was my exact experience too! I remember crying to my mom saying “I believe in him in my head but not my heart like everyone else” it was wilddd. I also hated the idea that I couldn’t just be my own person and do what I wanted without the fear of “losing eternal life”
Science about christian music here!! As a former person who sang christian songs on stage with four other people, they use so many at a time because then the group can create harmonies and dissonance, which creates an emotional response. If you think about a large choir singing a song that means a lot to people with strong or relatable themes, like maybe See You Again by Charlie Puth or that guy on tiktok who flash mobs places with a choir and people freak out, it has an impact on people. Harmonies and dissonance, for a lot of people, create chemical responses in the brain, which causes something called "frisson", a feeling of chills and joy throughout the body. You might also get this feeling when reading a really good poem or looking at a beautiful piece of artork.
Frisson is more likely to happen in music where there's harmony, especially in 3rds from my experience as both a former worship singer and from 7 years in a regular choir. I think these large groups singing standard songs with lots of harmony where different people can sing along in their own vocal range somewhere creates a choir-like feeling. When I first started, I was able to learn an entire new song and harmonize within a 40 minute rehearsal the same day as youth group. I think to both a performer and a regular church goer, this creates a sense of belonging, being able to learn and be included very quickly.
But most importantly, with the harmonies and intense, empowering lyrics (such as Oceans, probably the most popular worship song, "spirit lead me where my trust is without borders, let me walk upon the waters wherever you would call me" gives a sense of having purpose and your life having direction), and combine that with 3 or 4 part harmonies and dozens of other people singing along, and you create a chemical response in the brain that for over half of people causes those chills and that chemical response. Many, many former christians (myself included) were sort of... manipulated into christianity through our love of group performance and that emotional response that music creates in our brains. We're taught that those chills and strong feelings we get during the songs are God reaching out to us personally and giving us signs, but in reality we would most likely get that same exact chemical response by singing Back To December by Taylor Swift with a large group of people who know how to harmonize (and that's not a joke! That's literally how I realized God wasn't actually speaking to me through music, because I got that same feeling during a breakup song).
Music is a very powerful thing, and there are a lot of people who don't get that "frisson" experience and therefore don't really understand how easy it is to convince people, especially young people or people who have never really participated in music before, that those feelings are coming from God and not your brain just enjoying how music sounds. Seriously, look up a song with a standard chord progression like Back To December or a Lewis Capaldi song being sung by a choir, and then look up a worship song like Oceans or Waymaker being sung by a choir. Same feelings.
And this isn't to say that God doesn't exist or anything, I'm just saying that it feels a little scummy to give hours and hours of time and energy into performing for the church because I thought that was the only time I really felt like I was connecting with God, when in reality I just really like to sing with other people.
Somehow knowing that nick was a Christian Rap Boy makes me feel better about once being a Christian Heavy Metal Girl lol
fun fact: my college was actually mentioned in the credits of God's Not Dead. long before i went there, but my parents pointed it out when we watched it
i cant wait for your christian parody shirt, "Nickisnotjesus"
I'm a pretty hardcore atheist but I gotta say, the ways that our generation interprets religion are super refreshing. In general (there are obviously always outliers) it seems that millenial/genz Christians actually give a shit about what Jesus taught, that is unconditonally loving, accepting, and helping others, especially those on the fringes of society. I had a class in college last semester where there were just 8 of us and the teacher. Every person in the class aside from me was Catholic, but they were all super empathetic, caring, and not judgmental. If ya'll keep that up, then really I have nothing to complain about :).
You really suck if you think there is nothing to complain about with the Catholic Church 🤢 really?! Nothing?!? Cough child grape cough
@@gypsylee333 Well of course, but I'm not talking really about the institution of organized religion but more the ideology of Christianity as a whole. I probably should have made that clearer. The Catholic church has committed tons of human rights abuses, but hopefully these new generations of religious people can help solidify that shit not being OK and work toward stamping it out.
@@Jabadamazo I feel like if you're still a Catholic, you're complicit in all their crimes, giving tithe money to silence victims and shuffle p3dos.
@@gypsylee333 That's a tough line to walk. I think that someone can resonate with the teachings of Catholicism while rejecting the actions of the Vatican. Does that make them Catholic at that point? I don't know, honestly. I'm not informed enough nor religious so I'd only be speculating.
@@Jabadamazo maybe if they never went to church, but still. I'm an anti theist though so I really hate religion.
I grew up a devoutly religious family. I was religious too once, but eventually had church trauma, my family denies it, I came out trans, and my family has rejected me
It sucks that people will turn away from their own family in the name of religion. You deserve to live happily as your true self. I'm sorry your family can't see that.
Sorry to hear about that, and family stinks for not loving you the way they should’ve. Just know that even though Christianity doesn’t agree with your choice, we respect it and you. The church and its members need to remember of how to love despite differences
I accept you. I'm not religious or anything, I just think you deserve the same chance everyone else gets. Go you!
The best advice I can give you is to stay well away from any state with a Republican majority. Your crappy parents are the least of your real world worries.
That really fuckin sucks, Chrono. My experience isn’t exactly the same, but I know what it’s like to have my religious trauma dismissed, and I know people who’ve had it even worse than me in the church. I see you, I hope things are going well in spite of it all, and I wish you the best.
as someone w religious trauma (I was raised roman catholic) this was very comforting and healing, thank you
Been wondering this myself too. It’s just so weird how often ‘christian art’ is just so cringe. It’s usually so disengenuous and fake which should in it of itself be very un-christian. But alas they make tons of money off people caring more about how religiously they posture themselves more than the art itself. Being christian, myself, I’m often annoyed with how my beliefs are advertised.
We used to have karaoke parties at my house with friends and we would pull up Christian songs like "Oceans (Where Feet May Fail)" and perform a fake cry night scenario where people fall to their knees and repent... our friends who did not grow up Christian were terrified lmao
I relate to this topic so much, growing up in a extremely religious household (from Christianity to Jesus believing Jewish communities and cults) I've never felt so isolated and ostracized from not being religious enough, i was always condemned for questioning the reasons we did what we did and if the Bible, god and well any of it was real... I was never in the "in groups" of religion for being interested in other subjects and not the acceptable small list of things that were pure and god fearing.
Fear is such a powerful tool in religion, especially as a woman.
Don't interrupt, don't speak up, don't disrespect your parents,, brothers, elders, leaders, don't let men lust over you, don't dress up, don't be masculine, don't dance, don't masturbate, don't be queer, don't be yourself...
It's taken me years to deconstruct these fears that were never my own, i don't know how but my family and I made it out okay, never looked back and are all living our lives as we please.
I can't express how much I am thankful for that.
So now I can laugh at all the ridiculousness instead of hating myself... I love it
Btw, there's no such thing as "Jesus believing Jewish communites." Those are anti-semitic hate groups, dedicated to trying to trick young Jews that don't know any better into Christianity. They're deceitful, hateful, wrong, and very much not Jewish.. Belief that Jesus is God is contrary to many of the fundamental tenants of Jewish texts and belief, including the Torah.
@@plaidpvcpipe3792 I really don't understand why you felt the need to correct me or "teach" me on a post were i was telling my traumatic childhood with extreme religion... Those people were called Messianic Jews they DO exist, and for the most part were decent people who studied all the books of the Bible, why i distrust them and hated my time there are other reasons. So please, shut the fuck up.
@@fionap.6311 I can tell you don't like the Messianic "Jewish" movement, either. I am correcting you not because I'm angry at you, I'm correcting you because I *am* a Jew, and because I have had to deal with the constant misunderstanding of my religion, including the harmful stuff perpetuated by the Messianic "Jews."
They're not Jews, they're Christians. You can be an ethnic Jew and a Christian, but to refer to a religious movement that believes in the divinity of a dude named Jesus as Jewish is inaccurate. I know this because I'm a Jew, and I've researched movements like "Jews For Jesus" and others. That's all I'm saying, and I think it's important for people to know and understand.
I hope you understand where I'm coming from, and that I'm just trying to help people understand a harmful Christian religious group that has clearly caused you (and others) a lot of grief. Fundamentalist Jews and harmful Jewish cults (look up Lev Tahor) exist, and none of them involve Jesus, because then they wouldn't be Jewish.
@@urheehoo ffs not you too
I grew up growing to an Assemblies of God church, and whilst I was not necessarily super devout (especially once I reached my teens), I DID have a strong belief in God and for a long time even after I stopped really going to church, I had this weird superiority complex about being "pure". Turns out I'm just asexual
What's asexual
little to no sexual attraction. It's a spectrum though
Nick, I love that you are doing these videos! I grew up in a southern baptist household and developed some anxiety that really amped up when I embraced Calvinism at a young age. I'm recently out of the church (two years now!), embracing my authentic self as a butch lesbian. Videos like this where you relate your own experience in the religion to evangelical media, talking points, etc are so important in starting conversations and helping people from similar backgrounds/situations know that they are not alone. Excellent video, look forward to watching more from you!
Really funny story: I loved the Newsboys (because of this movie/my upbringing) until my dad's friend worked at a performance they held in my hometown. He said he never met a more rude group of people in his life. Treated people below them poorly and left their room (that they stayed in before the show, idk the term) a mess. Obviously not trying to say this is the case for all Christians/evangelicals, just interesting how real life contrasts with the image they project of themselves.
golly i love butch lesbians so much
sincerely,
a femme lesbian
very cool!! i’m in a very similar situation (was raised christian by a super conservative family, had to stay closeted for years, and am still closeted but open about my sexuality at school and am finally moving out next year which i’m excited for to really explore who i am as my own person) and i agree with what you said 100%! i love hearing about others similar experiences since i’ve never met anyone in real life who’s gone through the same situation i have surrounding that
@@elizabeth8312 femmes are also amazing! -sincerely a butch
@@lovrboi I'm glad that you were able to share this! I've also never met someone in person who had the same experiences, and am not put to my parents (I'm coming out when I graduate college this year). I wish you luck as you continue your journey in life and I hope someday you're able to fully be your authentic self out loud and proud dawg
I am just amazed that the teacher in the movie was played by a real person and not a litteral straw man.
He’s tvs Hercules, so Stan Xena I guess.
They actually tried to get a straw man to play the teacher, but the lead actor actually had a straw allergy. Got so itchy every time he tried to run lines. So they settled for the human guy, but in the script his name is still "Straw Man"
As a current Jesus freak, I love this video. You did an amazing job of pointing out the common problems in Christian media/art. I appreciate that you are not here just to bash us! Thanks for giving me something to laugh along with you about
That’s a great attitude!
I first learned about God's Not Dead after I suddenly received three texts all saying "God's Not Dead" in close succession of each other from two siblings and my stepmom. It was very ominous at the time, especially since by that time I'm pretty sure I recently stopped being Christian (and I've still never explicitly told any of them). TURNS OUT THEY APPARENTLY TELL THE AUDIENCE TO TEXT THAT PHRASE AT THE END OF THE MOVIE.
Loving the new videos. It can be frustrating when trauma seems to get in the way of us creating the art we want to create but you're doing an excellent job and it's been epic to watch you grow with your channel
“Human ass people” is my new favorite term
I went to a private Christian University, and the English dept was a holdout of rationality. One prof would say, "to be a Christian tea maker doesn't mean you need to put a Bible verse on every bag of tea", and that applies to all forms of Art. Your Art should stand on its own without needing to rely on being preachy.
Case in point, veggie tales
@@admiraloverdone Correct, indoctrination should be a more insidious, slow burn thing, where you lure in your victims with pleasant, unrelated forms art and entertainment. Then, when their minds are completely smooth and receptive from the funny vegetables, that's when you threaten them with eternal hellfire and damnation.
The biggest thing I don’t get is why Josh Whedon’s character didn’t just drop the class. It has been so long since I’ve seen the movie, but like he could have dropped the class, taken it with a different professor or transferred a credit from community college.
Yea
The lore is so weak.
Or talked to a school administrator. What the prof is doing in the classroom wouldn't be allowed anywhere and unless it happened in a private university, would violate a students 1st amendment rights.
DUDE I'm so glad you finally found a way to incorporate talking about your experience growing up in a Christian household and the church into a video! I relate to so much of what you talked about and it's honestly crazy that I used to say God is not dead was my favorite movie lmao. And yes! You absolutely don't need to make some sort of solution or conclusion for Christians from your experience! I hope you're doing a little better now and I love your new content ❤️
thank u christina!!! i always appreciate ur support :-)
I grew up deeply Christian. My whole life I had family members who were youth pastors, on the worship team, in the youth band, and everything was about church all the time. I always felt so alienated like something was wrong with me because I didn’t feel anything for god. I hated going and I felt like an outsider. My church was very much a contest of “who’s the most Christian” and I always felt like I wasn’t Christian enough despite going to the same church for nearly my whole life. I recently separated from the church and I feel so much more like myself, but I dread having to tell my family that im no longer Christian.
You don't have to go to church to be Christian.
It will go badly at first but as long as ur committed to it they will give up. My parents accepted I am atheist and eventually stopped asking me about it. Took a lot of endurance and I was lucky I moved out at 21 (I’m 31 now) and they don’t ever bring it up to me.
@@bluliite how so
@@markigirl2757 bummer
It's a shame you stopped believing