Never pipe gutter water into a French Drain
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- This apartment had water seeping in the underground wall.
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I like how you intersperse footage of details of the job with sped-up footage/music. Keeps a good flow in your videos. Really liked that moment where you took off the tape from the channel drain and we see two different angles. *Excellent work.* Thanks Shawn.
Thank you Sheena! The maintenance guy asked me what was up with the drain because it had rained and there was all that water on top. I explained that there was still duct tape on the drain (to protect it from concrete during the pour), and we still needed to come remove it. That was the money shot with us pulling the tape!
@@GCFD That was the money shot, as i said in my comment, Before noticing you said it... heh
When days are rough or even a good day there is nothing better than having a new video from Shawn. Thanks for bringing a lot of value to us viewers and making us smile! Keep up the good work!
thank you!
As a bonus, that apartment got a new party sized patio!
Yes for sure. I like using concrete to achieve two goals like this. 👍
I like how you treat your employees. Very respectful to them.
They are my biggest asset. 👍
I hope you pay that old dude well, he's a great worker
Hard worker with a good attitude.
👍👍 For sure!
A very good Thursday morning to you all in the USA from Wellington Somerset in the UK
With great cones, comes great authority 🤣👏👏👏
Hahah! Indeed
The follow-ups you do coming back to the house to show the results in-use is greatly appreciated
thank you Bradon. It's my favorite part, but a huge pain to get that footage sometimes.
I like how your guys actually trowel the concrete unlike some guys who only bull float it.
I agree with your feelings about keeping the channel and gutter separate are probably the better way to go. Yes, it's double the work and supplies, but if you get a heavy thunderstorm that drops a lot of water in a quick downpour you easily over power that channel drain with the gutter drainage alone. Then all the work you did is for nothing, and the customer is left disappointed as they still have the problem. Nice Job!
I agree. We try to build these systems for the most heavy thunderstorm ever and make sure it flows.
I dunno, 4" PVC pipe. If you have a thunderstorm pouring down that much rain, you are going to have massive flooding everywhere, the gutter coming down off the roof is already overflowing at that point to overwhelm a 4" PVC pipe. The volume and flow doesn't quite add up. Not for Noah's flood anyway.
Shaun, you and your team keep up the great work, and remember to always, "Do the Hard Right over the Easy Wrong".
A wise man once said "all your labor is in the trench". I remember a job you did a while ago where you put in a French drain along a fence, but also had to get rid of a bunch more water from gutters and such - you dug one trench and put both pipes in it, perforated to catch the water coming in along the fence and solid for the gutters & basins, joining them into one solid pipe at the end of the French drain to flow to the outfall. That was eye-opening for me - putting two separate pipes for two separate purposes in the same trench. Brilliant.
I sure thing so. Some people think it's a waste of pipe and glue. I will continue keeping them separated. Sometimes I will send a gutter through a channel drain if the fall works out in my favor, but never through a french drain.
Definitely makes sense keeping them separated. You can have a significant amount of gutter water flow before you ever get ground water saturation to the point of using a French drain.
You could legitimately probably flow about 3000 gallons of water on a standard ranch style three bedroom house that’s less than 1300 ft.² livable through gutter drains before a french drain activates.
I’ve got both in my backyard
from the Netherlands thanks for the video Shawn
thank you!
Thankyou Sean and the team for the video.
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Hi Shawn... I heard you say, "Everyone thinks I'm crazy cause you have to do..." I'm a retired contractor who retired at the "young" age of 53, so I think I know what I'm talking about when I say this. That is one of the best compliments any peer could have given you; I had the same thing said of me many, many times over the years. They don't even know it but they are actually saying, "I don't want to do the work to do the job correctly" or "I just want to do minimal work to half-ass a job and get paid". So you just tell them to keep saying those things about you.
Well said! Thank you!
Another job well done! I never would've thought drainage would be so interesting.
It is indeed. Shawn works with physics and nature instead of trying to take short cuts.
Thank you Caleb. Me either. I'm a biologist-turned-drainage guy.
There is nothing like having a crew you trust and can count on, that can use their own mind to help make decisions =) You are a great Boss/Leader Even the concrete guys willing to help dig ditches etc with you
Thank you! I like that term Leader. I try to provide them what they need to get the job done well.
Why don’t you put the gutter water into a drain lower to cause a flow away from houses
Best part of your channel, Shawn, is that you solve problems. That's a good feeling.
I think so too. Drainage solutions can't be faked either. The flooding is either solved or not.
Ronald is fast becoming one of my TH-cam heroes. The man gets it done!
Haha he thinks it's so funny that people follow him and ask about him.
I learned from a wise man that when gutter water is caught in a pipe keep it in that pipe. Great vid, Shawn! Taking that tape up shows why you'll get called on again and again. Lovely to see Ronald and the Concrete Guys too. 😊
FYI... cones don't always work as showing a sign of authority! I've worn mine numerous times and have just been given funny looks!!! 🤔
Another fine example of your skills at determining the cause of drainage problems but also your excellent solutions to them as evidenced by your frequent returns to the sites. Cheers to you and your teams.
👍👍 Laurie
It's always a relief to find the "smoking gun" problem on a job... Especially if multiple other people have couldn't solve an issue😉. Great job GCF.!
I like how Shawn asked his guy what he needed him to do, showing not just what a boss he is but, what a great leader he is.
This video is why you should always call Gate City Foundation. Shawn is the best. Great video.👍👍👍👍
Facts. Two previous owners ago, they piped the downspouts to a corrugated pipe into the flower beds next to the house. It was fine when they had tons of plants. The subsequent homeowners covered the area in gravel… not enough plants. So all the water was going to the foundation and leaking into the basement.
We put extensions on the downspouts away from the house away from the beds next to the house and the water problems in the basement minimized.
Awesome. Check grading and remove the gravel around the house. The gravel lets the water soak in whereas soil lets the water run along the surface.
That makes a lot of sense when there isn’t much fall to keep the gutter water separate from the Channel drain. The velocity of water coming down the gutter could quickly overwhelm the channel drain. Specially on a apartment complex those have large roofs and displace a lot of water ! I like how your concrete guys always put up splatter risk avoidance plastic. Great work as always Shawn!
Thanks for sharing Shawn, great job.
Shawn is like a landscaping doctor...he diagnoses and treats the root of the problem not just the symptoms. Great video once again!
My boss would have us hand balling all that work! No fancy equipment on his watch.😅
Rory I just bought a very fancy piece to replace a hand broom. This work is hard enough, so if I can buy a machine it keeps the guys fresh for doing what the machine can't. That video should be coming up next week.
I'm fairly sure the french drain had a similar story,
"There is a french drain" "ok where is the outfall" "uhh.. outfall?"
Too many people think that a frenchdrain is a water percolating device or magically takes the water away, it isn't it's a collection device that still needs to send that water somewhere.
Very well said. I see that all the time too. Piping the water under ground like this does make it appear to be gone.
Man I wish you guys worked in MD. Contractors here are terrible. It’s motivated me to resolve problems like this on my own.
Nice! Go get it 👍
Wonderful work as usual!!
Thank you!
Excellent work as always
thank you
You do great work, I like that you include a follow up to show your work in action.
Saving the planet 1 drain at a time.Great Video as always!
Thank you
Keeping water away from the foundation......And giving it a place to out fall You guys are fantastic, Watching from Denton,MD.
thank you william!
Dude you are like a water genius. Thanks for all these helpful videos.
Waters easy, flows downhill. It doesnt like going uphill in a pipe with ribs for it to get trapped in!
Always enjoy your videos. Really like how you go back to see how your systems work. 😀
Thank you Matthew. thanks for watching!
Another successful job! Great work.
thank you michael
Another great video. Your channel is not only entertaining but informing!
thank you Finian!
Awesome job! Rerouting water is such an amazing thing to watch 💯👍👍
Thank you! This job was under scrutiny and you cant fake the results!
Great video! Very cool!
I like the way you put stones at the end of the run where it meets daylight. Less likely to get covered up or at least you know where it is if maintenance is not done by the management company. I saw you on EC2. Great job!
Hey Roger - That was my first experience doing a podcast. It was pretty interesting.
Thanks for sharing!
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Good quality work and that’s what I see when I watch your videos!
Thank you Tony!
Great job Shawn and crew. You guys have done a lot of work at the apartments. Glad to see you guys working with Harvey and his crew and also the Maintenance at the apartments. It's so much easier when contractors work with each other. I know the owners are happy with all the results from all the work you all have done. Can't wait to the next video.
Thank you Shane!
Another great job! Great video angles on this one.
Thank you Steve! I've been trying to do more of that for sure. If the subject is not super interesting, I use interesting camera angles.
Love it. That reveal of the channel drain was great theatre.
I thought so too. The maint guy was very worried that it wasn't working until I told him we still had to remove the protective duct tape. Money shot!
5:35 Sounds like someone was attempting to build a soakaway. They're a fairly common feature in the UK. Will be especially going forward with our push for Sustainable Urban Drainage System (ie get it into the ground as near to the source as possible and don't just pipe it downhill to a river and cause flooding). Built properly they work perfectly fine, but you need the right soil and it needs the right capacity to cope with expected rainfall.
Great jov Shawn, that looks so much nicer and should work for years.
thank you Brent!
Good lesson! Mom's unit needs its drains rebuilt soon, and these videos have been a great font of ideas.
thank you! Good luck with your project.
@@GCFD Cheers!
Seems like a lot of corners were cut, when that complex was originally built………. now they are having to come back and spend more money. This video proves again that hiring the right people from jump, saves you money and headaches. Great work again!
thank you Lee!
mate yo always do amazing work. Glad to see the channel is ready starting to pick up steam.
Ronald rocks!
Totally agree! He's a cool dude.
For sure! He's a keeper.
Almost to 35k subscribers!
I know! I don't know what the holdup is. I've been trying to make more videos. I have at least 1000 video clips in the que right now and needing to send two disk drives off for recovery (do'h!)
First time I’ve seen Ron on a machine. 😝
Yep. He doesn't want to run anything but he really took to the concrete buggy. He loves that thing.
nice job,if you need water for cleaning ,can get a trailer or water bowser ,and a drum water ,then a hose and a pump,and jet wash paths ,can buy petrol water pumps ,with hose and just need a large drum water,maybe a ibc on back of your truck 1000 lt fork lift plastic container ,cheap too ,what i use here in england ,to wash dirt bikes ,after been on a moto-x track ,very muddy ,use ibc 1000lt container,and is on back of flat bed truck ,with petrol jet wash ,is cold wash ,but works nice ,and i have used your french drain and gutter system for wash erea ,works nice ,full bubble slope on concrete slab ,so water runs were i want it too,then move it some were else,powerd by gravity ,i love how you go back to the job and its raining and you get excited when water flows nice ,i do the same ,simple tech but works great ,was on a job once and they were fitting a walk in shower room ,i ask straght away,is it down hill to the drain hole ,not flat or up hill,they look at me bit funny and i say,water flows down hill ,for free ,got be half to full bubble or you got a problem ,make a big puddle ,they ask how i know this ,and i said i had a good teacher ,you and your vids ,keep up the good work ,spread the knowdlegde ,doing good things ,educate the world ,help others ,solve problems
Great Job!
Thank you Sniper
sir I have learned a lot watching your videos , I must agree with you on keeping the gutter and French drain separate , it is logic to do it the way you do it , once you understand how it works. the do’s and doints. my feeling is you are 100% correct the way you doing it. O by the way I watch each and every one of you videos . thanks for sharing you Knowledge.
WOW THAT WAS A BIG JOB! FULL BUBBLE BOSS!
👍👍 Full results too! lol
22:06 New this evening, man arrested for being in bushes of apartment complex with flashlight. Film at 11pm. HAHA 😁😁
haha gotta get that footage
Great video
Thank you Scott
I've loved the series at this complex. TH-cam is making it hard however with ads every 2 and a half minutes. It saps the pleasure.
Thank you! Sorry about the wack-a-mole ads.
Your usual great job!
Thank you Jerry
Find somebody that looks at you like Ronald looks at his drainage work, and you will be forever happy.
Hahahah!
If every worker was like Ronald the world would be a much better place, My g/f works 2 jobs and 1/2 the people from both places complain about everything & call out all the time
Your videos honestly make me happy, having a tuff time over here with life and all but man these videos make my day I love when you go back to watch your work in action with rain
Just wait for those sponsors to come rolling in from construction companies hahah
thank you! I'm very happy to hear you enjoy my videos. Keep up the good work! - Shawn
What would you do without Ronald? Guys like him who you could leave alone priceless. Great vid one question. When you guys were breaking it up did you cover the glass doors ? Really enjoy the channel keep it up…..Bobby
Bobby - I was freaking out the whole time with the door. They didn't want to cover it!
keep on keeping on Shawn looking forward to more informative videos as always shout out to the main man Ronald.
👍👍 thank you Anthony
another great video,didn't really take you long to do, love watching the concrete team how they just get on with it
thank you Taylor!
Guess I need to get some cone's for the bedroom 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😁
haha
I'm in central Iowa and just ran into a new development where they are running all gutters in corrugated pipe then into a culvert. They have minimal fall and all 4 gutters into 1 4" pipe with multiple y fittings. Slab on grade foundations. Watching them install it won't be long before they have water problems. Something like 40 new build homes done the same way.
Business opportunity waiting. :)
Hahah Jochen! Luke - that's why I started GCFD. I see everyone using corrugated and running it uphill. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@GCFD they are stupid. You deeply understand what you are doing. That's the difference. :)
Developers want to get in and out as quick as possible, and could care less if it actually works. They just want to get paid. Why would they spend more time and money installing this when they can quickly slap down corrugated pipe and get paid the same
@@matthewp1682 because the people actually doing the job should have some integrity in their work and it also would prevent a, too be fair very small, number of lawsuits in a few years when the water damage starts. I do understand that many of these developers actually make a new business for the project then dissolve the company after the work is completed so they don't have to face these troubles. on paper your point is fair but that is a very dehumanizing way to be as a person.
Nice, there is always something to learn though I’m not at all related to your line of work. You have a great team as well as efficient concrete sub contractor who comes in and does a great job which reflect in end product
Thank you!
Nice, Thank you for sharing.. To use the runoff water at the end, couldn't the complex put some plantings, like a flowerbed, that would use up most of the excess water, so it don't end up making a mess with erosion.. We had a area like that on our property, and we put a large flowerbed, now there is no erosion at all and the plants love it..
Yes that's a great idea. I will do a follow up to see if they do anything.
Usually it's tougher to mow around more obstacles and also more labor to upkeep the flower beds at a bigger complex. They typically don't want to spend the money. I believe the grass will hold once established, especially if the correct type of grass is used.
Always interesting
That Ronald is a beast. Just let him go. He works circles around guys half his age. He deserves Christmas bonus' 🎉
i like seeing you go back to the job site at 11pm in the rain with your camera and flood light and no one either notices or cares to yell at you.
👍👍 Don't forget I'm out there talking to the camera too
What about the dog. 23:00
17:34 Isn't that much dirt against that brick holding water going to destroy that over time? Here were I live the dirt level has to be a minimum of 6" below the level of the 1st course of bricks on the concrete foundation. So you have to have at least 6" of foundation exposed on any wall. Keep up the good work sir! 👍😁
Not with the Clay content of the dirt, as mentioned high clay content is a natural deterrent of water, like what is used on Pond Dams, water cannot go through it. Watch any of Chris's videos at Letsdig18 for reference.
I agree it's strange Hallock but that's how they do it here. The brick goes way underground on all houses.
good stuff
Thank you!
True pro !!
Thank you Steve!
I constantly hear people throw out the French drain as a universal solution. Having tried various things and watched these videos, I'd only use a French drain as a LAST resort.
Good job, as always. I have had a drain discharge similar to this one, except mine was beside a driveway and quickly got broken by a car tire. Went back and encased the end in concrete with a 2 ft by 3 ft pad and all has been good since. I am thinking that this drain discharge might have been better with something similar. Or at least mixing some gravel with the soil at the discharge point. Otherwise, erosion might be a problem. With this being an apartment complex, the pipe could become a trip hazard.
I’d suggest you put a couple sheets of plywood against the glass sliding doors to protect them. I noticed you didn’t do that in another of your videos. That’s taking quite a chance of breaking the glass doors.
I agree! They definitely are risking replacing a door.
Shawn, great work again.👍👍 You should get a metal detector to help locate those wires in the ground, even though they are marked! Also, I thought you mentioned that you were going to do something with the gutter drain on the back side, not sure if you did or just missed that one!
I do have a locating meter that shows depth. If it's a more significant utility sometimes we will locate it ourselves.
That must drive you a bit crazy when you don’t have good fall for your pipes! No rebar?
Yes we really have to mind our fall when we don't have much. No rebar needed in our area with our subsoils and climate.
I'd say the downstairs wall with the cut out for inspection needs to be dealt with. Probably remove all the drywall. Also where did the water go? Under a furred up floor. Studs need to be replaced.
Good as ususal xcept you're slipping, the channel drain was crooked.
Yes they tore that wall open and dried everything out then replaced the wall with new drywall. It's been good 👍
@@GCFD Good, thanks.
I’ve seen a lot of mould on disaster work.
In Calgary some years ago, it was covered up.
@@GCFD I like your concrete guys.
That track buggy is a life saver.
Do you fight to see who drives it?
Wish you were in Kentucky. Our backyard could use your help.
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Great vid. More stabila levels please
Another great video shawn.could i make a suggest when you do a speed up section 《eg concreating》could you tell us how long it took or run a digital clock .your video are only getting better.
That's a great idea! I'll try to start adding that in.
Tune in for the next video. Same gutter time, same drain channel!
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Great job. Why didn't you extend the outlet nearer the drain as you would have had even more fall and create less inevitable errosion to the grass bank ?
The purpose was to let the water spread before the drain to not overwhelm it. He stated it in the video. Adding more fall wouldn't help with anything either because there was plenty and at the end of the pipe they added rocks when they came back to slow the water down and prevent erosion.
It could have gone either way. We were worried about blasting the water across the sidewalk so we cut it short to help the water disperse and slow down, like John said above. 👍
Shawn have you ever been called upon to design drainage management on new construction ?
Amazing quality video, however, the fisheye lens makes me dizzy haha.
I always knew Ronald was the real boss! 😏🤣
hahah
Hard to find good help now days give that man a raise Lol.
Always good work! They went with the right company.
We need a playlist made of this place please
I will get going on a playlist!
Seems like the out flow will be an interesting issue unless that ground really sucks up the water.
For sure. This was a terrible outfall at best. But the flooding/mold/moisture is gonee so that's what they were going for.
Ive watched damn near every single one of your videos, and it got me curious have you ever had to or would you ever in a situation identical to this, pour the concrete so it directs flow into a sump pump then redirect the water up the hill into a drain near the parking lot? I guess idk if there was even a drain close enough that made sense. Great video, great work.
He might do that if the concrete pad was at the bottom of a bowl and there literately was nowhere for the water to go making the sump pit the only option to get rid of the water...
The problem with a sump pit & pump is 1) the use electricity which costs the homeowner money, 2) require maintenance and 3) don't work if the power fails which it can in a bad thunderstorm when you REALLY need it...
Yes there are a few videos where they install sump pits to pump water elsewhere
Like A and KP said above 👍👍. Sump pumps work very well but they are a last resort if we can't drain the water away via gravity.
Having it covered up & removing the tape the day after was the money shot, Fixing the problem here on that one was smooth, except for the hand digging on the flat, As a Renter i feel sorry for whoever will be getting those unit's with those age old AC unit's & hopefully that place makes it right by gutting that wall & removing the mold/debris etc.
yes they've been in there and replaced everything on that wall since we fixed the seeping issues. 👍
My guess is that they haven't paid you for the work you have done. Your comments at the end of the video about something being 'unfortunate'.... I hope that is not the case. You do good work and provide a great benefit for the community.
My take is there was probably a chance of litigation from the tenant against the apartment complex and, by being proactive and quickly solving the issue, everyone was happy and things went well for all involved in the end.
@@TheFatesLieutenant All the timber most likely would need stripping out and the wall left exposed with the windows open for a month or two for the wall to dry out. Could not really have a tenant until dry.
@@johnclements6614 True - I was thinking along the lines of a previous tenant - Thanks
Hahah Brian, all except the unnamed who wanted free rent.
You mentioned at the beginning that you were going to catch the drain at the bottom of the hill, but I didn't see any more footage showing you catch that one. Did management change their mind or something?
No we just got an elbow on that one so it kicked away from the building. 👍
god damnit bill, I SAID NO GUTTER WATER IN THE FRENCH DRAIN!!!
(joke)