The guy sold this smoke and mirrors job to the one guy that was actually going to drive it. If he sold this to a regular collector, none of this would have come up.
Possibly but it’s not really a collector car anymore with all the modifications. It’s now a drivers car which is why the last guy dumped and possibly the guy who built it. This to me is a catalog car that someone fixed the body and bought a bunch of cool parts from the catalogs because he read about them in hotrod or from a TV show but really didn’t know how to make it all work together so they dumped it at auction. The next buyer couldn’t figure it out so he dumped it at auction. Had some other regular non TH-camr bought it the car probably would not have been fixed either and sold again. At least it’s getting fixed and someday driven.
The average price for a Hemi Superbird is around $250K with auction prices ranging from $300K-$1M. So buying one for half the price should ring every bell and raise every red flag.
It was raced competitively, t-boned, rebought (returned to the seller after the sale for some reason), resto-modded, engine swapped - to a different type of engine than the original too... plenty to bring the price down to 'dirt cheap' (for the model). It fooled him, it would probably have gotten me too.
The seller was probably nervous and sweating seeing that Tyler Hoover was the winning bidder…realizing that EVERY issue with the car would be all over TH-cam
Based on what Tyler tells us all in this video the seller shouldnt have been nervous but laughing because he knew he had a sucker on the way to pick it up. Invest in a magnet, NEVER buy a car sight unseen online and take an expert on that car with you to inspect it. Richard Rawlings KNOWS how to flip cars and NEVER has to ask his wife if he can buy it.
Tyler didn't even name it in the video, and he made 130K over a shitty car. Actually he's probably showing this vid to his buddies and laughing their asses off.
makes you wonder what kind of financial world we live in that people are willing to write a $140G check off of pictures, I guess he really wanted it that bad. I guess money means too much to me. The part that gets me is what is a Superbird really worth without the original engine? I've never wanted a rolling cartoon to drive around town in so I guess i'll never find out.
@@jefffaller8474 years ago i was messing around on ebay and found a rusted shell of one of these for sale ....it sold for 104k no motor no trans no interior, just a rusted to hell shell.
@@jefffaller8474 Even more, a reasonably comparable example sold for about a million. Our world is such that a $130k hooptie may be a great investment.
From my experience, people who compulsory collect muscle cars all have cars like this. The person who bought my dad’s triple black ‘68 charger 318 dropped in a hemi crate motor, and then parked it with the rest of his 50+ cars. It will never be driven maybe ever again, but it looks pretty and it has a hemi. These people are just another breed.
People who look at muscle cars as a status symbol are the furthest thing possible from actual car people. They should be driven regularly and driven hard and if you can't handle that then you shouldn't own one.
@@Sheehy223 That's just your perception of things and is not an absolute truth. Your wants and needs and fun =/= someone else's. Keep that in mind when you judge other people.
@@Whirrun But do keep in mind, it is better for the car’s condition overall that they be used routinely. Just letting them sit does cause several parts to rot and cause for a lengthy restoration should another person acquire the car and want to use it.
@Curtis Lovrak .... you kinda highlight something that has been on many of my friends' minds, but even my own. For instance I often get bothered by strange folks telling me to V8 my Gremlin. Why? It runs great, it's plenty spunky. What more do I need? I've also taken a lot of flack for putting the V6 BACK IN my little '88 Ram. What's the big deal? I already have fast cars. I don't need a fast, gas guzzling truck! And this sort of highlights.... that NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE FAST! 99% of us just take our cars to shows or parades. Very few of us actually drag race them. And besides.... when gas prices skyrocket - what's the first thing to get parked??? The car with the big, honkin' engine. My little red truck has a funny story. It was bought by a friend, the V6 pulled out and a 440 stuffed in. Then along came another really cool car that would've been amazing with a 440, so the engine came out of the truck and into that project. So the truck sat for 5 years, with no engine. I bought it and stuffed the V6 back in. In the same amount of time, the same buddy who bought the little red truck originally found one we call "Beige Lightning" because it has a 318. He was going to 440 *THAT* truck only to have the same epiphany I've had. "Why does it need to be fast?" So, he's going to put a 4-barrel on the 318, maybe upgrade the ignition and add twice pipes and then JUST DRIVE IT. Who cares if it's a lowly 318? It's plenty spunky, will return double-digit fuel mileage numbers and it's friggin' cool just as it is. And the funny thing is that nowadays, Millennials who want classic cars are now buying the pedestrian 6-cylinder or small V8 cars. They don't care about speed. They just want the style. And t'ain't nuthing wrong with 'dat!
Hello, crazy LeBaron guy here 👋 I actually told Mr. Hoovie in great detail all of the extensive issues with this car. He wasn’t listening to anything I was telling him, and was busy hopping around from LeBaron to LeBaron obsessing about wether each had the automated indicator voice or not and playing with all of the controls in each one.
Dude, I feel for you. I had a similar experience with my 68 Camaro. I knew the big block was tired, but I didn't realize how tired....replaced it with a GM ZZ454, and then I started spraying a fire hose of cash at it. I have basically replaced everything with top quality components.....so 4 years later I am at about the same money invested as I would have been starting with a proper car in the first place. I have since found out the shop was a "puppy mill" of hot rods. I will say this...the car is TRULY mine....through time, blood (literally), I have come to love it and not focus on being shaded, and I have learned a ton!
So let me summarize this. You got a cheap Camaro, that ended up needing work, and you spent the same amount as you would've spent buying one that had already been fixed up to begin with..? So... You lowballed a guy for a clunker expecting it to be a high dollar car...? That's how you come across..
This is a good opportunity for BaT to really crack down on these sellers who don't engage or have a lack of information or documentation such as PPI. I used to think that if it was on Bat then it likely going to be a great buying experience. Now, not so much. Still a very cool car and Looking forward to seeing it completely sorted out.
One thing I’ve known for buying cars even though I’m a teenager, always buy with cash, and look at the car before you spend a dime on it, lots of people make the same stupid mistakes buying cars sight unseen, so yes it is Hoovies fault.
Any project Hemi Superbird will be six figures. Hoovie got it for half price with plenty of room to pull the restomod stuff and go stock to increase value. Not sure why he’s complaining.
I've sold several cars on Bring-A-Trailer to buyers sight unseen and they each thanked me for my honestest and how I represented exactly what the car was. So calling them stupid shows you are stupid yourself.
At abt 4 minutes “… So I asked the wife if I could buy a super bird and she said no, then I kept talking and then eventually she said yes.” The story of just about every car guy everywhere with a long suffering non-car wife!
I was always taught in aviation, and advise my customers, to only spend 80% of your budget on your airplane. That way, if you do need to sort stuff out you still have 20% of the budget left. I apply this same process to my car purchases!
When you get screwed over and ghosted by a seller like that, your only recourse is to take it to the courts. I used to do title work in Florida, and I once had a guy who bought a car off e-bay. It was a 68 Chevelle. I don't remember how much he paid for it. After he got the car the seller disappeared. Never got the title or a registration to prove the seller was the legal owner of the car and without either of those documents you can't take legal possession of a car. I helped him out as much as I could. It took him several months but he was eventually able to take legal ownership of the car.
I once went to look at a 66 mustang fastback. I had asked the seller about possibly driving it home (about 100 miles) and he replied that the car was absolutely drivable. I decided a trailer was a better idea so I rented a trailer and went to look at the car. It did run and it had all new front suspension but the seller was VERY reluctant to let me drive the car (he claimed he was worried about the tag and registration but he was also a local sheriffs deputy so I didn't think there would be a problem). I finally assured him there would be NO SALE at any price without driving the car. He agreed that I could drive the car if we remained inside his subdivision. The car wallowed around the road in desperate search of something to hit, I was terrified, and the further we went the worse it got. When we got back to his house I crawled under the car where I discovered the shock towers were rusted away. At that point he produced a catalog showing that you could buy every piece that was rusted, he KNEW what he was selling! What a rotten skunk! I had just wasted an evening towing a trailer that I wasted money to rent for 200 miles.
I had a similar experience with an old Volvo ( the ones from the 60s and 70s are getting a little bit collectible now ). Thankfully the valve covers are literally a few bolts and no obstructions, so it was easy to see the 3-4mm deep groves in the cams (it was developing NO power at all. Think go-kart levels at full throttle, and barely running) ... Rebuilding a 40 year old motor with absolutely no idea where to get parts from... hard pass. Most of the people who used to work on them are retired or dead by now. So.. rule #1, 2, and 3... drive it first or no money.
@@donotwantahandle1111 Sounds like you dodged a huge repair bill, then. Any reputable seller has paperwork and has no issues with you inspecting normal things.
Saw an interview with ex Ford and BMC Motorsport Director Stuart Turner and he openly laughed at people who pay big money for old race cars. Reckons all the iconic cars go straight to the top collectors of kept by manufacturers and what's left has been been rebodied, VIN swapped to avoid taxes, plundered for parts, wrecked and so on and was basically junk the teams don't want any more.
I have restored former race cars and I can tell you that they are beaten to death. They have been modified hastily multiple times, often crashed and barely repaired. Engines have only been run hard and you will rarely find one with the original motor. People think it would be great to own a former race car, but it's the probably the worst car you could own. Nice to look at and brag about but don't expect to drive it
Everything on a rally car is aged, most mechanical parts are replaced for every event and body shell may last a season unless rolled. It's the nature of motor racing.
I'm probably the only person on the planet who's TOO honest when I sell shit. I've fucked myself over many times by telling people every single thing that's wrong with whatever I'm selling. And at the same time, I've been ripped off just about every time I've bought something from someone else. Where the hell is the karma at?
Same lol, traded a 93 bmw e34 540i that had a slight coolant leak and a transmission on the way out, for a vw passat v6 wagon. Drove home 3 hours away no issues, 2 weeks later the VW transmission blows up. would have much rather paid for a v8 bmw trans rebuild than a crappy family car trans rebuild.
We're out here - I'm the same way. I sold a Ford Explorer for $300 because it wouldn't start and needed to be towed away. Basically almost scrap value. But I didn't want the guy buying it to think he was being screwed. Probably just needed a starter. I recently sold an Acura TL for $1,000 because I knew it needed new brake pads and rotors all around, and would probably need other minor repairs to keep it running well. I had just changed the oil, tranny fluid, hood lifts and spark plugs myself, and repaired the radiator reserve tank and cap myself. I even threw in all the transmission fluid I had for the car AND a long neck flexible funnel that would make adding fluid to the car easier. Same deal there, I wanted the guy that bought it to know as much about the state of the car as I did, and not feel like he was ripped off. I could have lied, said the car was tip top and sold it for $2,500. But a guy has to sleep at night.
This actually makes me so happy that a person who will pay 130 grand for an unknown car is proof that having money doesn't mean that people have sense.
One of the morals of this story is that Bring-a-Trailer is not a "reputable seller". It is an internet marketplace that differs from Craigslist only in the quality of the photos and the huge fee they charge. They are not a dealership and not warranting that the description is in any way accurate.
12:13 the BIGGEST flaw i see with that car, is that wonk ass stereo who in their RIGHT MIND restores a car, or atleast tries/claims to restore a car, but then puts some crap like that in it like yeah sure the original might have less accessibility for modern things, but that just ruins the whole originality of the interior
Had this kind of thing happen to me. I bought a '65 Rambler, "without rust, runs and drives" and it turned out to be a complete disaster. Almost everything in it needed to be rebuilt, and every body panel was full of Bondo. Buyer beware!
We've probably all been there. Bought a Charger years ago before they went nuts, looked good, drove ok, got it home and started to go through it. Bondo, rust, cover ups, dodgy engine and transmission cover ups, you name it. Eventually we just trashed it as it was not even worth parting out, except for the trunk lid and a few interior pieces. Learnt my lesson. Thankfully. Now, the ego goes to one side and my mechanic has final say, and yes he is one of the good ones, abit like the Wizard. 🤟😎👍
Paid $200 for a 68 R/T Charger. Bought it for the windshield. Scrapped out the remainder. Recently saw one in MUCH worse shape that was just a stripped shell sell for $12,000. If we had a crystal ball how rich would we be?
Seems like a pretty nice car once you sort out the engine, suspension, and tune. I can see someone paying $130k or even more if it’s running perfectly just for how it looks and the nostalgia factor.
Kinda sucks that when you are buying online you have to expect there to be some sort of lie that you have to expect with it. Just another example of people being shite people.
Yep, no one ever sells vehicles at a lower price when they work perfectly... he says he seen them selling for close to a million yet somehow expected a perfect one when he paid 130?
Good on BaT to do what they could to "make things right". Even better it was sold to someone who could "make money" off the deception....so it's not that bad of a hit. From what I've seen, when this Superbird is done, it's going to be pretty bad aZZ!! Well it already is, but when it's fully running right....that's what I'm saying. Vroommm!!
Hoovie knew this was a pile of shit kit car when he first saw it: it was bought specifically for the channel views, don’t try to convince me otherwise.
@@mysterycomment1553 This is what happens when a guy has obviously never gotten greasy or even done an oil change and all his knowledge is from watching videos and reading car magazines. His mechanic isn't much better. The "wizard" can figure out the most exotic Italian sportscar but can't figure out a Chrysler?
I don't know Hoovie personally, but he's likable and I've thoroughly enjoyed his content over the years. Anyone who would screw him over on purpose is just a craptastic human being. Not making accusations, just one man's assessment.
Hey Tyler, so enjoy watching your channel, but feel your pain at all these scams! At one time (before yours), the most feared comment a business owner could hear was: "Hi, I'm Mike Wallace from 60 Minutes". Perhaps it is time to use your fame and car knowledge to start calling out these scum-bags. Every scam-artist on Bring-a-Trailer needs to know there is a Jay Leno or Tyler of Hoovies garage lurking with a camera and large audience.
If this was my car. And this is indeed a real Hemi car… I’d send it to a reputable restoration shop and have them go through and put everything back to original. You’d have quite the investment on your hands Tyler
I would watch the shit out of a racing series where they actually have to modify a regular production car to run a similar race. Can't do anything to the powertrain you can upgrade brakes and steering and wheels tires and add Safety Equipment otherwise everything is stock. Have the team purchased the car on a Monday and give them 2 weeks to prep it. Have the race the following Saturday. I would watch the absolute shit out of that.
We had racing like that in South Africa for a while. To keep the racers honest you could challenge someone else's car and it was compulsorily sold to you at the manufacturers recommended retail price plus the cost of a roll cage. But I have spent thousands on upgrades and mods was not accepted as an excuse for a higher price as doing that was against the regs!
@@andrewallen9993 I forgot about that. I should have said same brand should be allowed claimer rules. Is that series watchable anywhere? Like on TH-cam or something?
Sir, I used to wait on you at a restaurant in Atlanta. You were always a kind gentleman, you tipped well, and even though you were so tall you couldn't fit under the tables, forcing us servers to reroute around you, you were well liked by all the staff. You were a true pleasure to serve! I have recently learned about the "Tesla Jump" and Alex Choi's role in the act. I was disappointed in his role in that video going viral. Below is what I have commented on his videos about that role he played. Thank you for listening and thank you for being a genuinely nice person in real life! Mr. Choi, I so enjoy many atuomotive TH-camr postings. It depresses me to state that you have become my first to be blacklisted in my mind. Your content about the Tesla going airborne was in so many ways outside what I believe the community is about. Yes, you were not the driver. Thank you! However, you were present. You positioned yourself ahead of time to record the event . So, basically, you supported an individual who used a vehicle that was not his own, to perform a destructive action that resulted in 1. The vehicle being totaled. 2. Passengers lives being put at risk. 3. Innocent people having their property being destroyed. 4. Innocent property owners undergoing hardship when they just want to continue their normal lives getting to and from work and running errands. 5 Endangering the life of a person's pet. (Cat) You were okay with someone destroying another person's property. (No difference between a corporation's property or a private individual, maybe using an app, to reduce their car payments. Why? Because there isn't a difference. The Tesla wasn't his to destroy on a whim.) All this was just for views. Shame on you! Really! I cannot think of any action that would be more cruel. I have enjoyed your content. Content from others too! But my liked content didn't involve the destruction of anyone else's property, nor the damage of the property of innocent bystanders. Your glorification of such disregard of another's property is SHIT! Go on a rally. How would you feel when your fire farting Lambo is driven into a lake just for Shits and Giggles! Maybe insurance even decides not to reimburse you because they say you thought it was okay so that you could get TH-cam views. (Which puts zero $'s back into your pockets to continue the loan payments.) Good luck with that claim! Correct this disaster. Call out the crap person who performed this stunt. Help out your own community. Redeem yourself!
The first time I saw this car, the $90 wheels on it told me everything I needed to know about it. Literally the biggest red flag I've ever seen on a vehicle in my entire career. 🤣
Um... Firstly Hoovie put them on, secondly they are $186.99 each not $90, and if you cant even get that right what credibility have you got? Thirdly, Aero's have been good enough for Nascar for the last 40 years so they fit the theme of the car. Lastly this thing, even if it was burnt out sitting on the bottom of a lake is better than that pile of shite Trans Am.....
@@borismcfinnigan3430 ......except Hoovie DIDN'T put the wheels on it. He bought it that way. Look at the 2:30 mark in this video: th-cam.com/video/2paj-WGSicw/w-d-xo.html And the difference between a Trans Am and this Superbird, is you can get in the Trans Am and drive 1000 miles coast to coast, looking good and having fun, instead of dragging it to 10 different shops every time it breaks down and having to explain why your $130000 dollar car has wagon wheels and a Jeep CJ7 roll bar in it. 🤣
Been there sort of. Bought my 1974 Maverick Grabber from Arizona and I live in Ohio. Talked to the car lot and they didn't lie. The car had 90k original on it, had been painted once covering the stripe kit, was fully loaded including AC, PS, Disc brake, auto idle kickdown, trim package, seatbelt interlock the works. Little old lady who's husband owned it. That was true. He bought it for himself when he retired, and because he had a bad back ordered it with a super soft vinyl bench seat, rare option considering grabbers came with buckets, only a few hundred made in 74'. He died and she only drove it a few times and decided to sell it, local dealer helped her do that. Well, the story was true however none of the fluids in the car had ever been changed save for the oil, even then it was old and thin. The coolant had eaten up the aluminum to the point it was so soft I put my finger through the timing cover replacing hoses. it was the consistency of a cream on the inside. The thermactor emissions port had been blocked by a BB to keep it open but got sucked into the motor, so someone put another in it and it got sucked in. 2 BB's bouncing around cylinders.... The thermactor emissions had been partially removed from the exhaust and the car had no radio, radio antenna or horn button. The lot quick sprayed the car after I said I wanted it and lost the antenna, so they took out the radio to install a new one but I closed on the deal before they finished so they stopped working on it. I ended up just pulling the 302 out and swapping it for a fresh built 289 I did. When I took the heads off the 302 there were 2 cylinders with hundreds of BB craters in them with the BB embedded in the pistons. Glad I swapped the motor. Heck glad I only spent 2,800 dollars on an original Grabber in 2007! Now shes my pride and joy..
If you were actually stupid enough to buy a $130k car without getting the title for it first then what you get is on you! Before buying any classic car look it over "in" person, learn to read Vin codes and always make sure they have the clear and clean title for it.
I got scammed on a $3,500 car. I felt much less bad when I saw your journey. I did have a LOT more work to do than your Superbird, but at the end of the day I'm spending far less money. It's nice to know I can always count on Hoovie to make even dumber decisions than me!
@@GetOffMyLog That car is one of the most well engineered cars I've ever worked on. That engine has to be the easiest fuel injected engine in existence.
Man... that sucks... but as a car guy who has built a 76 vette fully restored, and a autoX mustang Cam C class, rebuilt a 97 7.3 f250 4x4... You NEVER buy something without going and looking/driving it, EVER Never buy it if they wont agree to a cold and hot start Never buy if the oil is fresh and clean, same for transmission fluid Will i go look at something and buy it on the side of the road from a total stranger? Absolutely... blew my dad's mind when i did that with my truck... doesnt matter, u have the title, bill and the major mechanical looks ok, and you can fix the rest
Wife & I were just watching this and I told her - THIS is why when I fix a car up for sale, it gets EVERYTHING done to it as best I possibly can! When I'm done with it, I don't want anyone to have to do much of anything. Unless it's a parts car or something (duh). She just nods and goes... yeah, I see that now!
Damn an aquitance of mine sold his Superbird for a little over 2 grand in the late 80s, still haven't told him how much their worth now cause I know he'd be kicking himself
I’ve had countless of times when looking for a classic car that the buyer tells me it’s absolutely mint and rustfree. Upon arriving I see a wreck where the only thing holding what’s left of the body to the frame is some ducttape work. I’ve seen countless cars that were just rotten, had an immense amount of body filler or had an engine that would not ever run right anymore. All of those had good pictures which didn’t show any of those issues. Moral of the story, be very careful when buying classic cars. Always ask about intricate details beforehand and always inspect the car before you buy it
Had a guy tell me a car had a dent in the rear drivers fender. Drive 2.5 hours there. The car had been ass packed and that fender wasn't dented it was buckled because the entire body was shifted over from the accident. I figured what the hell I'll use it for a driver if I get it real cheap. I literally offered him 30% of his asking price because he lied and he immediatly took it. 6 months later i was putting an engine in it because god knows who fixed an engine issue and blocked an oil passage so it ate up the cam.
@@gearjammergamer8560 such a classic thing. Those guys absolutely know what they are selling and are hoping that you'll simply buy the car because you drove so far. But what did you do with the engine? And is it running again?
@@dennis885600 Put a new engine in it. Drive it everyday. As far as car prices as of right now I got a good deal on it. Just had to swap the engine. It's never going to be 100% right due to the body being tweaked. Works great for a daily
roll cage + no padding on it + no helmet = serious head injury when some clown runs into you while they are focused on diddling their phone instead of the road.
I was a teenager when these came out. The car mags said they overheated on the street, because the air intake for the radiator was so small - it was meant to work at 180mph, not 70mph.
Right on Sam. You get it. I don't care about it being on BAT or whatever. The whole Superbird thing was staged, concocted, and bullsh!t. I stopped watching his channel.
We had one of those Chryslers that talked. Stupid thing said "Your engine oil pressure is low prompt service is required" constantly no matter how full it was or how new the oil pump/pressure sensor was. It also said "please fasten your seatbelts" constantly too.
Even if you drop $30k into that beast IMO it’ll be worth it. Imagine how much it’ll be worth in 10 years. Pain in the ass I’m sure to deal with these headaches but hoovie is making TH-cam revenue on the saga. Enjoy the ride hoovie not everyone can own a superbird ❤️
Especially if he (by that I mean the right person) sorts out and pretty's up the wiring. Make this a one footer and he won't lose. Tyler likes to play like he has no clue, but in reality, he's pretty savvy (or lucky) - pretty sure he did some mental math on this purchase to ensure he wouldn't go too far underwater if it went south before putting his bid in..
That's exactly why it is called bring a trailer. The majority of times that is the case. Unfortunately the seller did not disclose the issues but at the end of the day you have a iconic car that will continue to increase in value.
Click bait , He was not scammed , He bought A resto mod that was not completed and assembled partially improperly . You got a real super bird for 1/10th its resale value . a 528 hemi is a 15k to 20k engine just by its self . < pre inflation . Listening to your tales of woe about the tuning is nothing short of ridiculous. Its a fast ecu . there is a ton of support for it . Struts and suspension would be a pain to get the right struts. But, with the right parts it will probably be yards better than the Chrysler front suspension that came under them. Those cheap ass Aero wheels should have given you a clue that there was a mix of cheap and pricey parts. you could have flown out there and inspected the car before purchase . Were you scammed ? NO . does it need work ? Of course. Resto mods can be full of bugs at first , It could be a case of passing on headaches as you said it went through a few purchasers who most likely couldn't figure out the ecu and cooling . So quit mewing like you have been burned . Now that you have made it public scored a bunch of money from TH-cam with your click bait titles . That the car itself generated . publicly fix it proper and you could make your money back easily. Get your snoopy friend's and start back searching its origins and see if you can find the original block. or a number coded match block and turn it back into a restoration. either way you won . sometimes your tails of woe are just so fake and contrived it is silly .
This is a very similar situation to the truck I bought recently. Main difference was that I knew it had a bad engine. What I didn't know was ALL the other issues of so much more wrong with it, some were severe risks to itself, some were significant risks to others on the road. It was appalling how bad this truck was. Just tonight I found that nearly the entire radiator is blocked with caked on grime behind the air-to-air and A/C condenser. So I'll be cleaning that out tomorrow, as well as fixing the window crank so the door latch doesn't get jammed against it, preventing the door from opening.
"Partial re-body" ?? I'm one hundred percent sure that's a vin-swap to an entirely different replacement body shell. I highly doubt there's a single screw coming from the original car.
That is what I though when I first saw this car. It doesn't even have the braces under the wings. I'm betting the car is really a satellite with the vin swapped, and the original car was probably rusted and junked. I bet the original 426 is long gone and that is why it has a newer crate engine.
It's mainly his own fault, he bought an old car sight unseen off BAT from shifty seller who wasn't answering questions FROM THE BEGINNING. While the car was being auction. You know how many times I wanted to buy a car I thought was a steal but refrained bc it was a non-communicating seller!?
The balls on this seller if he knows who Tyler is and who is audience is...talk about insane! You guys are better people than I am, I would have at least put out his name on blast.
If you want a perfect car, or the seller to 'make it right' when something goes wrong shortly after the sale then you should be buying a new car with a warranty.
@@alexnone5720 Where do you get this BS from, if you want a perfect car and buy a new car & warranty crap from what I posted above? First off the car is a classic muscle car, you are never getting a new one of those; and back then they had what they called a tail light warranty. I am referring to proper disclosure, it's a lot like being honest. This no $5K hoopty, this car owner was asking shy of $150K for this car, and usually at that price things are disclosed or lawyers get involved in court. There are some states where this is law already...for absolutely no reason at all, right? Not to mention lemon laws for new cars too because even new cars can be total POS as well and warranty won't save you from them. To have a thriving economy consumers require certain assurances or they won't spend or invest...without proper infrastructure you are trapped in a non prosperous third wold economic scenario.
@@sickjohnson you expect honesty from a used car salesman? The seller didn't ask for the 130k or whatever it went for, people bid it up that high. Maybe the people that stopped bidding knew something that Hoovey didn't. Disclosure on a used car is a check box that says "as is - no warranty" and you aren't getting around that as long as the SN or VIN match up the title. New cars come with buyer protection, used ones don't even come with a tail light warranty if it is a private sale What's the rambling about infrastructure and 3rd world countries about?
I live in Arkansas. In 2000 I purchased a 1996 Impala Super Sport from a person in Canada...sight unseen other than picture. The car was listed as only having 6,000 miles. The process of importing the car was rather interesting but doable. I flew up to drive the car back to Arkansas and have to say the seller was every honest about the car...it was spotless and beautiful. Not a single rock chip or scratch anywhere! Car was unique due to Canadian market cars requiring some things the US market cars didn't have, such as daytime running lights.
If you wanted a resto-mod as opposed to original or NOS/restored, why not just buy an old but clean B-body and mod it to your liking? As much as this car was modified, adding a wing and nose to a Road Runner would not be worse. Unless it's from a known hot rod shop, or unless you know the builder, should pass. With a car like this, the only way to approach the deal is assuming a checkered build/past and/or, putting it on a 2-post with a tech who knows and spending hours going over it. Doing a VIN search etc. Better yet, locate a Super Bird expert and start a search. Last - You get what you pay for.
I’m so glad we don’t have this in the uk. It’s like the Wild West in America. Such a shame because this car looks beautiful it’s just been really badly built. Good luck with it buddy.
I worked at a dealer for 15 years. We got snowjobbed multiple times at various auctions. Flood cars quick fixed and repainted from Katrina, title washed totalled out trash, stolen vehicles with altered VIN and/or incorrect titles. It's easy to con in the US with very little recourse. Most states only offer lemon law protection on brand new cars. There's very little consumer protection here. Contracts generally just offer arbitration, which heavily favors the seller. It IS the Wild West here. Hell, I don't even need a yearly inspection for emissions or road worthiness where I live. If you saw the shit boxes on the road around here, you'd be afraid to drive to the local grocer, let alone commute a significant distance.
@@noobplebdeluxe4426 It’s really not that dramatic and pretty great for a buyer without Hoovie’s money. You buy a clearly mis sold car that’s a pile of shite from a dealer…you are legally entitled to return it, simple. Much better than the ‘as is’ mentality slapped on a car, which is really just a useful get out for a dealer to shift a crap car without doing work that probably morally should be completed prior to sale.
We don’t have MOT in the US, there are cars driving around that are completely unfit for the road. Some states have permanent registration for older vehicles so they can just keep driving those old vehicles as long as they can keep them running. It is kind of wild now that I think about it.
Bring a Trailer should do what Carfection does, send there own trained photographer who knows cars, might cost a bit more but they know what there selling on there site, Rj in Oz
Mr. Hoove has a addiction for below market value cars. $100K is like $1k dine-out-in to him. Just another dinner. Where most of us 98% would do a thorough inspection when spending that kind of money……..More Power to Him!!! It’s nice to see a Video Channel presenting a fool collector. Makes Me only dream…..
Lol been there. “ran last summer (3 months beforehand), just needs a new battery” brought my own without telling him first and he started screaming at me that I didn’t trust him.
YES! I bought a 79' 300 and seller told me it was near perfect condition. When is was dropped it a nearly a complete wreck. Bad tire, wipers' did not work, dash lights didn't work, AC non operational even after he told he would replace the compressor, plugs and wire shot and list goes on. He hooked me in by telling what a good Christian he was... And it goes on. Ended up giving it to my friend for a third of price.. He is whipping in to shape.
These are worst case scenarios for guys who literally buy 100s of cars often sight unseen... I've bought a dozen cars, new and used, over my life and havent had any issues. I honestly dont know anyone who has.
I bought a used car sight-unseen and had it shipped to me. The car was almost perfect, so it isn't an interesting story. How many TH-cam videos are made about the millions of airplane flights that didn't crash?
Tyler, YOU of all people, should not have fallen for this! I learned my lesson on "buying without through inspection" many years ago when I purchased a first gen Mustang. Wow, put together with Bondo. What makes me more worried is when a car expert does this. First and foremost, a Superbird is NOT a Superbird when it has been restomodded. After my sad experience with that Mustang, I have never since bought without a personal inspection and I always check every serial number of the important parts to be sure that it is authentic and matching. With that, I am generally assured that it will hold its value. That, of course, doesn't substitute for a long test drive, inspection on a lift, and running a magnet over the entire car. Like me, I will bet you will never do this again! BTW, I enjoy your videos.
I think he comes across as a great guy. Doug Tabbutt is much more weasel like than Hoovie LOL. No offence Doug but you must admit being a used car salesman requires at least some weasel DNA
i paid $4000 (that's a four and three zeroes) for my bird. turns out it's a 1 of 1, white in and out. used to overheat All the time. drove me nuts! got radiator recored and it's been fine ever since. .........just a thought. Btw, bought it in 1980 :-)
How does a car guy like this get taken? And how does BAT allow vehicles to be listed if it’s not an accurate depiction? Guess it’s not the same BAT since it was sold to the new owners, even w/ the auction fee refund…. And the guy who sold it screwed up b/c he’s now getting outed by VW and Hoovie
cant you just sue him? find the previous owner at the DMV , get a lawyer and get to work? wierd how little you can do in the us when they sell you crap cars and lie..
The sold "as is" protection clause in a vehicle contract is damn near iron clad. Usually, arbitration is the only recourse, but that heavily favors the seller. As far as I know, only failure to disclose known salvage can force a buy-back or guarantee a civil court win. Incorrect title will as well, with matching mileage between car and title being the most straight forward way to detect a scam. Unfortunately, if the vehicle is older than ten years, title mileage is exempt.
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The guy sold this smoke and mirrors job to the one guy that was actually going to drive it. If he sold this to a regular collector, none of this would have come up.
That's true!
Possibly but it’s not really a collector car anymore with all the modifications. It’s now a drivers car which is why the last guy dumped and possibly the guy who built it. This to me is a catalog car that someone fixed the body and bought a bunch of cool parts from the catalogs because he read about them in hotrod or from a TV show but really didn’t know how to make it all work together so they dumped it at auction. The next buyer couldn’t figure it out so he dumped it at auction. Had some other regular non TH-camr bought it the car probably would not have been fixed either and sold again. At least it’s getting fixed and someday driven.
Bring A Trailer 🤣🤣🤣
Why would they not drive it? It’s not original in any sense of the word
@Andrew Ladzun because it’s not a roadworthy car it has to be towed, Bring A Trailer
The average price for a Hemi Superbird is around $250K with auction prices ranging from $300K-$1M. So buying one for half the price should ring every bell and raise every red flag.
It was raced competitively, t-boned, rebought (returned to the seller after the sale for some reason), resto-modded, engine swapped - to a different type of engine than the original too... plenty to bring the price down to 'dirt cheap' (for the model).
It fooled him, it would probably have gotten me too.
the "beep-beep" not working... unforgivable!
Wasn’t too bad, what he ended up putting back into it. And again, even with its bad history, prices still going up
well keep in mind not having the original motor is a big big deal and it had been a partial rebody
No doubt about it. As a "car guy" he should have known better
The seller was probably nervous and sweating seeing that Tyler Hoover was the winning bidder…realizing that EVERY issue with the car would be all over TH-cam
Guy was likely too dumb to put it together.
I doubt he cares too much $130k for car being talked about on TH-cam?
Based on what Tyler tells us all in this video the seller shouldnt have been nervous but laughing because he knew he had a sucker on the way to pick it up. Invest in a magnet, NEVER buy a car sight unseen online and take an expert on that car with you to inspect it. Richard Rawlings KNOWS how to flip cars and NEVER has to ask his wife if he can buy it.
Yea but Tyler isn't the type of guy who is going to put the guys name out there
Tyler didn't even name it in the video, and he made 130K over a shitty car.
Actually he's probably showing this vid to his buddies and laughing their asses off.
If I was spending 100k plus, I would fly out with a mechanic and have an inspection. Especially if it’s listed as t-boned.
Exactly, hard to believe he didn't appreciate the red flag warnings.
makes you wonder what kind of financial world we live in that people are willing to write a $140G check off of pictures, I guess he really wanted it that bad. I guess money means too much to me. The part that gets me is what is a Superbird really worth without the original engine? I've never wanted a rolling cartoon to drive around town in so I guess i'll never find out.
Honestly for that price especially, I would want the car anyways, still would be nice to know though
@@jefffaller8474 years ago i was messing around on ebay and found a rusted shell of one of these for sale ....it sold for 104k no motor no trans no interior, just a rusted to hell shell.
@@jefffaller8474 Even more, a reasonably comparable example sold for about a million. Our world is such that a $130k hooptie may be a great investment.
From my experience, people who compulsory collect muscle cars all have cars like this. The person who bought my dad’s triple black ‘68 charger 318 dropped in a hemi crate motor, and then parked it with the rest of his 50+ cars. It will never be driven maybe ever again, but it looks pretty and it has a hemi. These people are just another breed.
Preach they’re the worse
People who look at muscle cars as a status symbol are the furthest thing possible from actual car people. They should be driven regularly and driven hard and if you can't handle that then you shouldn't own one.
@@Sheehy223 That's just your perception of things and is not an absolute truth. Your wants and needs and fun =/= someone else's. Keep that in mind when you judge other people.
@@Whirrun But do keep in mind, it is better for the car’s condition overall that they be used routinely. Just letting them sit does cause several parts to rot and cause for a lengthy restoration should another person acquire the car and want to use it.
@Curtis Lovrak .... you kinda highlight something that has been on many of my friends' minds, but even my own. For instance I often get bothered by strange folks telling me to V8 my Gremlin. Why? It runs great, it's plenty spunky. What more do I need? I've also taken a lot of flack for putting the V6 BACK IN my little '88 Ram. What's the big deal? I already have fast cars. I don't need a fast, gas guzzling truck!
And this sort of highlights.... that NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE FAST! 99% of us just take our cars to shows or parades. Very few of us actually drag race them. And besides.... when gas prices skyrocket - what's the first thing to get parked??? The car with the big, honkin' engine.
My little red truck has a funny story. It was bought by a friend, the V6 pulled out and a 440 stuffed in. Then along came another really cool car that would've been amazing with a 440, so the engine came out of the truck and into that project. So the truck sat for 5 years, with no engine. I bought it and stuffed the V6 back in.
In the same amount of time, the same buddy who bought the little red truck originally found one we call "Beige Lightning" because it has a 318. He was going to 440 *THAT* truck only to have the same epiphany I've had. "Why does it need to be fast?" So, he's going to put a 4-barrel on the 318, maybe upgrade the ignition and add twice pipes and then JUST DRIVE IT. Who cares if it's a lowly 318? It's plenty spunky, will return double-digit fuel mileage numbers and it's friggin' cool just as it is.
And the funny thing is that nowadays, Millennials who want classic cars are now buying the pedestrian 6-cylinder or small V8 cars. They don't care about speed. They just want the style.
And t'ain't nuthing wrong with 'dat!
Hello, crazy LeBaron guy here 👋 I actually told Mr. Hoovie in great detail all of the extensive issues with this car. He wasn’t listening to anything I was telling him, and was busy hopping around from LeBaron to LeBaron obsessing about wether each had the automated indicator voice or not and playing with all of the controls in each one.
😆 that's hilarious
That Wile-e coyote falling bit basically summed up Hoovie's entire experience so far haha
wile e coyote is a plymouth belvedere
Dude, I feel for you. I had a similar experience with my 68 Camaro. I knew the big block was tired, but I didn't realize how tired....replaced it with a GM ZZ454, and then I started spraying a fire hose of cash at it. I have basically replaced everything with top quality components.....so 4 years later I am at about the same money invested as I would have been starting with a proper car in the first place. I have since found out the shop was a "puppy mill" of hot rods. I will say this...the car is TRULY mine....through time, blood (literally), I have come to love it and not focus on being shaded, and I have learned a ton!
Sometimes that’s what it’s all about!
So let me summarize this. You got a cheap Camaro, that ended up needing work, and you spent the same amount as you would've spent buying one that had already been fixed up to begin with..?
So... You lowballed a guy for a clunker expecting it to be a high dollar car...? That's how you come across..
This is a good opportunity for BaT to really crack down on these sellers who don't engage or have a lack of information or documentation such as PPI. I used to think that if it was on Bat then it likely going to be a great buying experience. Now, not so much. Still a very cool car and Looking forward to seeing it completely sorted out.
Not really, he bought it sight unseen. Is hoovies fault
what lack of information? Was he supposed to list that driving a 50 year old race car hundreds of miles may cause it to overheat?
One thing I’ve known for buying cars even though I’m a teenager, always buy with cash, and look at the car before you spend a dime on it, lots of people make the same stupid mistakes buying cars sight unseen, so yes it is Hoovies fault.
@@allencajah1140 We're not talking some kid's Corolla here. Collector cars are often found far away, sometimes even in other countries.
@@Emira_75 how many cars are bought on BaT without the buyer actually seeing it in person?
Paying 6 figures sight-unseen is pretty stupid
Exactly....
You’ve obviously not seen him introduce his YT videos…
Any project Hemi Superbird will be six figures. Hoovie got it for half price with plenty of room to pull the restomod stuff and go stock to increase value. Not sure why he’s complaining.
I've sold several cars on Bring-A-Trailer to buyers sight unseen and they each thanked me for my honestest and how I represented exactly what the car was. So calling them stupid shows you are stupid yourself.
You’re a jackass. You don’t think this guy realizes his mistake ? Give the guy a break.
At abt 4 minutes “… So I asked the wife if I could buy a super bird and she said no, then I kept talking and then eventually she said yes.” The story of just about every car guy everywhere with a long suffering non-car wife!
I want to know how he got her to go from a NO, to a YES! My wife has not fallen for that and I have owned over 100 cars.
If you've owned over 100 cars you don't need it to work.
@@jmblur after 37 years of marriage, I am still scared when I drag another vehicle home! Lol.
@@db9071 shut up
@@robdajuiceman1328 learn how marriage works
I was always taught in aviation, and advise my customers, to only spend 80% of your budget on your airplane. That way, if you do need to sort stuff out you still have 20% of the budget left. I apply this same process to my car purchases!
Too bad aircraft and car prices are rising faster than pur pocket books can keep up with. Good advice btw.
Unlike cars, there are no "Deals" on airplanes.... you either pay in purchase price or you pay in repairs.. .
Aviation taught me to ask the seller for maintenance records.
Glad the sellers info is public. Hopefully he won’t have a chance to scumbag other people
Facts
Where at?
That seller should be Black-Balled from all web sites to sell any vehicles
@@adamsears1403 By "black-balled," you mean kicked in the balls until they're black & blue, right? 😉
@@guardrailbiter if you add a concussion in then it's a deal. 🤝
Hoovie’s stories make me feel better about all my automotive mishaps over the years. Thanks Hoovie!
Yup, These guys on VinWiki made tons of $100,000 mistakes so we don't have to make a $10k mistake when we buy that low budget collectable.
Maybe if that LeBaron convertible had been owned by Jon Voight, it would have been worth it
underrated comment
Or Art Vandelay.
@@runwillrobinson the big import/export guy? Or the architect?
@@HerculesRockefellerESQ or marine biologist
Is that you George?
When you get screwed over and ghosted by a seller like that, your only recourse is to take it to the courts. I used to do title work in Florida, and I once had a guy who bought a car off e-bay. It was a 68 Chevelle. I don't remember how much he paid for it. After he got the car the seller disappeared. Never got the title or a registration to prove the seller was the legal owner of the car and without either of those documents you can't take legal possession of a car. I helped him out as much as I could. It took him several months but he was eventually able to take legal ownership of the car.
I once went to look at a 66 mustang fastback. I had asked the seller about possibly driving it home (about 100 miles) and he replied that the car was absolutely drivable. I decided a trailer was a better idea so I rented a trailer and went to look at the car. It did run and it had all new front suspension but the seller was VERY reluctant to let me drive the car (he claimed he was worried about the tag and registration but he was also a local sheriffs deputy so I didn't think there would be a problem). I finally assured him there would be NO SALE at any price without driving the car. He agreed that I could drive the car if we remained inside his subdivision. The car wallowed around the road in desperate search of something to hit, I was terrified, and the further we went the worse it got. When we got back to his house I crawled under the car where I discovered the shock towers were rusted away. At that point he produced a catalog showing that you could buy every piece that was rusted, he KNEW what he was selling! What a rotten skunk! I had just wasted an evening towing a trailer that I wasted money to rent for 200 miles.
I had a similar experience with an old Volvo ( the ones from the 60s and 70s are getting a little bit collectible now ). Thankfully the valve covers are literally a few bolts and no obstructions, so it was easy to see the 3-4mm deep groves in the cams (it was developing NO power at all. Think go-kart levels at full throttle, and barely running) ... Rebuilding a 40 year old motor with absolutely no idea where to get parts from... hard pass. Most of the people who used to work on them are retired or dead by now.
So.. rule #1, 2, and 3... drive it first or no money.
I went to see a car and took a clipboard with list of things I should check. I was told to go home!
@@donotwantahandle1111 Sounds like you dodged a huge repair bill, then. Any reputable seller has paperwork and has no issues with you inspecting normal things.
Still cheaper than being stuck with the car, and worse yet, trying to convince everyone that the sheriff is a crook.
"waisted"?? You did your "due diligence" like a pro......don't be hard on yourself for being an adult
Saw an interview with ex Ford and BMC Motorsport Director Stuart Turner and he openly laughed at people who pay big money for old race cars. Reckons all the iconic cars go straight to the top collectors of kept by manufacturers and what's left has been been rebodied, VIN swapped to avoid taxes, plundered for parts, wrecked and so on and was basically junk the teams don't want any more.
I have restored former race cars and I can tell you that they are beaten to death. They have been modified hastily multiple times, often crashed and barely repaired. Engines have only been run hard and you will rarely find one with the original motor. People think it would be great to own a former race car, but it's the probably the worst car you could own. Nice to look at and brag about but don't expect to drive it
Everything on a rally car is aged, most mechanical parts are replaced for every event and body shell may last a season unless rolled. It's the nature of motor racing.
I'm probably the only person on the planet who's TOO honest when I sell shit. I've fucked myself over many times by telling people every single thing that's wrong with whatever I'm selling. And at the same time, I've been ripped off just about every time I've bought something from someone else. Where the hell is the karma at?
It will come
Same lol, traded a 93 bmw e34 540i that had a slight coolant leak and a transmission on the way out, for a vw passat v6 wagon. Drove home 3 hours away no issues, 2 weeks later the VW transmission blows up.
would have much rather paid for a v8 bmw trans rebuild than a crappy family car trans rebuild.
Nah.. I'm with you on the selling. But I've never been ripped off buying 'cause I buy so so low (not in 2022 of course!!!)
Same here man.
We're out here - I'm the same way. I sold a Ford Explorer for $300 because it wouldn't start and needed to be towed away. Basically almost scrap value. But I didn't want the guy buying it to think he was being screwed. Probably just needed a starter. I recently sold an Acura TL for $1,000 because I knew it needed new brake pads and rotors all around, and would probably need other minor repairs to keep it running well. I had just changed the oil, tranny fluid, hood lifts and spark plugs myself, and repaired the radiator reserve tank and cap myself. I even threw in all the transmission fluid I had for the car AND a long neck flexible funnel that would make adding fluid to the car easier. Same deal there, I wanted the guy that bought it to know as much about the state of the car as I did, and not feel like he was ripped off. I could have lied, said the car was tip top and sold it for $2,500. But a guy has to sleep at night.
This actually makes me so happy that a person who will pay 130 grand for an unknown car is proof that having money doesn't mean that people have sense.
One of the morals of this story is that Bring-a-Trailer is not a "reputable seller". It is an internet marketplace that differs from Craigslist only in the quality of the photos and the huge fee they charge. They are not a dealership and not warranting that the description is in any way accurate.
It's a car listing site, an advertising website.
BAT. No thanks. Crappy cars lying carries no problems
Actually they are a den of market manipulating thieves.
@@cayman9873 I figured it was a rich mans website like anything Doug demuro does
@@MultiRokushoit is a cesspool for cars like everything Demuro is involved in.
12:13 the BIGGEST flaw i see with that car, is that wonk ass stereo
who in their RIGHT MIND restores a car, or atleast tries/claims to restore a car, but then puts some crap like that in it
like yeah sure the original might have less accessibility for modern things, but that just ruins the whole originality of the interior
Had this kind of thing happen to me. I bought a '65 Rambler, "without rust, runs and drives" and it turned out to be a complete disaster. Almost everything in it needed to be rebuilt, and every body panel was full of Bondo. Buyer beware!
Why would anyone buy a car that expensive sight unseen? There's a Hoovie born every minute!
We've probably all been there. Bought a Charger years ago before they went nuts, looked good, drove ok, got it home and started to go through it. Bondo, rust, cover ups, dodgy engine and transmission cover ups, you name it. Eventually we just trashed it as it was not even worth parting out, except for the trunk lid and a few interior pieces. Learnt my lesson. Thankfully. Now, the ego goes to one side and my mechanic has final say, and yes he is one of the good ones, abit like the Wizard.
🤟😎👍
Paid $200 for a 68 R/T Charger. Bought it for the windshield. Scrapped out the remainder. Recently saw one in MUCH worse shape that was just a stripped shell sell for $12,000. If we had a crystal ball how rich would we be?
@@michaelwilkening8542 oof
Seems like a pretty nice car once you sort out the engine, suspension, and tune. I can see someone paying $130k or even more if it’s running perfectly just for how it looks and the nostalgia factor.
Kinda sucks that when you are buying online you have to expect there to be some sort of lie that you have to expect with it. Just another example of people being shite people.
buying used cars in person is the same, the only difference is you might catch them on the lie if you know what you're looking at
Bring A Trailer means it doesn’t drive 🤣🤣🤣
@@darylarmentrout252 Duh, Sherlock. However, that’s not even what I’m even talking about here.
Dude, it's "Bring a Trailer".......why would anyone buy a show car from BaT at $130k ??? Not me.....
As my dad has always told me, "when you buy a used car, you're buying someone else's problems." Those words are very true.
Yep, no one ever sells vehicles at a lower price when they work perfectly... he says he seen them selling for close to a million yet somehow expected a perfect one when he paid 130?
@@ThirdGen87x2 the million one was original, he knew this was a restomod. That really tanks the price, but some restomod run well
Same applies to marriage. 🤣🤣
Tyler needs his own playlist on this channel
He's annoying and a try hard. But the core of the stories are good so I'll occaisonally tolerate him.
Man I'm glad I know how to work on cars. To be honest you got a good car that needed alot of bugs worked out.
Good on BaT to do what they could to "make things right". Even better it was sold to someone who could "make money" off the deception....so it's not that bad of a hit. From what I've seen, when this Superbird is done, it's going to be pretty bad aZZ!! Well it already is, but when it's fully running right....that's what I'm saying. Vroommm!!
Hoovie knew this was a pile of shit kit car when he first saw it: it was bought specifically for the channel views, don’t try to convince me otherwise.
So the joke is on us viewers? Could be.
@@johnmcmullen456 Welcome to TH-cam.
And he's still crying about it.
@@randall1959 exactly this is pathetic. Hoovie is such a car baby.
@@mysterycomment1553 This is what happens when a guy has obviously never gotten greasy or even done an oil change and all his knowledge is from watching videos and reading car magazines. His mechanic isn't much better. The "wizard" can figure out the most exotic Italian sportscar but can't figure out a Chrysler?
I don't know Hoovie personally, but he's likable and I've thoroughly enjoyed his content over the years. Anyone who would screw him over on purpose is just a craptastic human being. Not making accusations, just one man's assessment.
I do miss him buying the classic "peoples" cars vs the supercars of today but I sill love his stuff!
Think about it this way if it was perfect it wouldn't make good content...
I watch just on the hopes of seeing him robbed and beaten for being a delusional idiot.
He needs/wants the drama for the content potential.
That's his business model
I fell in love with Hoovie’s bad car adventures somewhere between the stolen Mercedes and the Lebaron funeral. RIP both hoopties
Hey Tyler, so enjoy watching your channel, but feel your pain at all these scams! At one time (before yours), the most feared comment a business owner could hear was: "Hi, I'm Mike Wallace from 60 Minutes". Perhaps it is time to use your fame and car knowledge to start calling out these scum-bags. Every scam-artist on Bring-a-Trailer needs to know there is a Jay Leno or Tyler of Hoovies garage lurking with a camera and large audience.
If this was my car. And this is indeed a real Hemi car… I’d send it to a reputable restoration shop and have them go through and put everything back to original. You’d have quite the investment on your hands Tyler
Numbers wouldn’t match. Especially without original motor unfortunately
Honestly bring back the old NASCAR rules... That's why Rally is still awesome, they still have minimum production requirements
I would watch the shit out of a racing series where they actually have to modify a regular production car to run a similar race. Can't do anything to the powertrain you can upgrade brakes and steering and wheels tires and add Safety Equipment otherwise everything is stock.
Have the team purchased the car on a Monday and give them 2 weeks to prep it. Have the race the following Saturday. I would watch the absolute shit out of that.
We had racing like that in South Africa for a while. To keep the racers honest you could challenge someone else's car and it was compulsorily sold to you at the manufacturers recommended retail price plus the cost of a roll cage. But I have spent thousands on upgrades and mods was not accepted as an excuse for a higher price as doing that was against the regs!
@@andrewallen9993 I forgot about that. I should have said same brand should be allowed claimer rules.
Is that series watchable anywhere? Like on TH-cam or something?
@@HerculesRockefellerESQ 😀
@@HerculesRockefellerESQ Absolutely. Been saying this for years. Eighth on dude!
Remember when you traded you F150 lightning for a Hummer which had a roof leak.
And you did it for clicks.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Sir,
I used to wait on you at a restaurant in Atlanta. You were always a kind gentleman, you tipped well, and even though you were so tall you couldn't fit under the tables, forcing us servers to reroute around you, you were well liked by all the staff. You were a true pleasure to serve!
I have recently learned about the "Tesla Jump" and Alex Choi's role in the act. I was disappointed in his role in that video going viral. Below is what I have commented on his videos about that role he played. Thank you for listening and thank you for being a genuinely nice person in real life!
Mr. Choi,
I so enjoy many atuomotive TH-camr postings. It depresses me to state that you have become my first to be blacklisted in my mind. Your content about the Tesla going airborne was in so many ways outside what I believe the community is about. Yes, you were not the driver. Thank you! However, you were present. You positioned yourself ahead of time to record the event . So, basically, you supported an individual who used a vehicle that was not his own, to perform a destructive action that resulted in
1. The vehicle being totaled. 2. Passengers lives being put at risk. 3. Innocent people having their property being destroyed. 4. Innocent property owners undergoing hardship when they just want to continue their normal lives getting to and from work and running errands. 5 Endangering the life of a person's pet. (Cat)
You were okay with someone destroying another person's property. (No difference between a corporation's property or a private individual, maybe using an app, to reduce their car payments. Why? Because there isn't a difference. The Tesla wasn't his to destroy on a whim.)
All this was just for views. Shame on you! Really! I cannot think of any action that would be more cruel.
I have enjoyed your content. Content from others too! But my liked content didn't involve the destruction of anyone else's property, nor the damage of the property of innocent bystanders.
Your glorification of such disregard of another's property is SHIT! Go on a rally. How would you feel when your fire farting Lambo is driven into a lake just for Shits and Giggles! Maybe insurance even decides not to reimburse you because they say you thought it was okay so that you could get TH-cam views. (Which puts zero $'s back into your pockets to continue the loan payments.) Good luck with that claim!
Correct this disaster. Call out the crap person who performed this stunt. Help out your own community. Redeem yourself!
Cool story bro
Ok what THEE fuck are you talking about?!?!
I feel for you pal. You should call out that seller though. There might be other potential victims out there that need to avoid him.
The first time I saw this car, the $90 wheels on it told me everything I needed to know about it. Literally the biggest red flag I've ever seen on a vehicle in my entire career. 🤣
Yup.......the body color roll bar was my 2nd flag 😉👍
Um...
Firstly Hoovie put them on, secondly they are $186.99 each not $90, and if you cant even get that right what credibility have you got?
Thirdly, Aero's have been good enough for Nascar for the last 40 years so they fit the theme of the car.
Lastly this thing, even if it was burnt out sitting on the bottom of a lake is better than that pile of shite Trans Am.....
@@borismcfinnigan3430 ......except Hoovie DIDN'T put the wheels on it. He bought it that way. Look at the 2:30 mark in this video:
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And the difference between a Trans Am and this Superbird, is you can get in the Trans Am and drive 1000 miles coast to coast, looking good and having fun, instead of dragging it to 10 different shops every time it breaks down and having to explain why your $130000 dollar car has wagon wheels and a Jeep CJ7 roll bar in it. 🤣
@@classicreaction5340 Dude he has literally said how he put the wheels on it and explained what wheels were on it when he bought it hahaha
@@borismcfinnigan3430 Aaah,,,,,no. Those crap wheels were on it when he bought it and surprisingly Hoover likes them.
Been there sort of. Bought my 1974 Maverick Grabber from Arizona and I live in Ohio. Talked to the car lot and they didn't lie. The car had 90k original on it, had been painted once covering the stripe kit, was fully loaded including AC, PS, Disc brake, auto idle kickdown, trim package, seatbelt interlock the works. Little old lady who's husband owned it. That was true. He bought it for himself when he retired, and because he had a bad back ordered it with a super soft vinyl bench seat, rare option considering grabbers came with buckets, only a few hundred made in 74'. He died and she only drove it a few times and decided to sell it, local dealer helped her do that. Well, the story was true however none of the fluids in the car had ever been changed save for the oil, even then it was old and thin. The coolant had eaten up the aluminum to the point it was so soft I put my finger through the timing cover replacing hoses. it was the consistency of a cream on the inside. The thermactor emissions port had been blocked by a BB to keep it open but got sucked into the motor, so someone put another in it and it got sucked in. 2 BB's bouncing around cylinders.... The thermactor emissions had been partially removed from the exhaust and the car had no radio, radio antenna or horn button. The lot quick sprayed the car after I said I wanted it and lost the antenna, so they took out the radio to install a new one but I closed on the deal before they finished so they stopped working on it. I ended up just pulling the 302 out and swapping it for a fresh built 289 I did. When I took the heads off the 302 there were 2 cylinders with hundreds of BB craters in them with the BB embedded in the pistons. Glad I swapped the motor. Heck glad I only spent 2,800 dollars on an original Grabber in 2007! Now shes my pride and joy..
"Holes that I could double fist" Are we not doing phrasing anymore? 😜
You win for the day. Whomp Whomp
Sploosh.
If you were actually stupid enough to buy a $130k car without getting the title for it first then what you get is on you! Before buying any classic car look it over "in" person, learn to read Vin codes and always make sure they have the clear and clean title for it.
Wow, a VinWiki post 30 seconds after my wife is wheeled into surgery...thank goodness for the small things
Wow
Lol the things people will make up for likes
I hope it goes well for your wife
Goodluck!
I hope the two events are not related!!! 😆 Prayers for a safe and full recovery.
Spending that much on a car, you need to see it in the flesh
I got scammed on a $3,500 car. I felt much less bad when I saw your journey. I did have a LOT more work to do than your Superbird, but at the end of the day I'm spending far less money. It's nice to know I can always count on Hoovie to make even dumber decisions than me!
For $3500 what would you expect?
@@markwillner1179 It's a 1990 Mazda Miata, they aren't worth much to begin with.
@@DirtSweatGears lol I overpayed for my miata as well but it runs and drives great. Such is life with a 30 year old piece of Japanese steel
@@GetOffMyLog That car is one of the most well engineered cars I've ever worked on. That engine has to be the easiest fuel injected engine in existence.
@@DirtSweatGears for sure. And they take abuse about as well as anything.
Man... that sucks... but as a car guy who has built a 76 vette fully restored, and a autoX mustang Cam C class, rebuilt a 97 7.3 f250 4x4...
You NEVER buy something without going and looking/driving it, EVER
Never buy it if they wont agree to a cold and hot start
Never buy if the oil is fresh and clean, same for transmission fluid
Will i go look at something and buy it on the side of the road from a total stranger? Absolutely... blew my dad's mind when i did that with my truck... doesnt matter, u have the title, bill and the major mechanical looks ok, and you can fix the rest
Ed, you’ve got to give us the backstory on Cleetuses LS swapped Murci.
Wife & I were just watching this and I told her - THIS is why when I fix a car up for sale, it gets EVERYTHING done to it as best I possibly can! When I'm done with it, I don't want anyone to have to do much of anything. Unless it's a parts car or something (duh). She just nods and goes... yeah, I see that now!
Damn an aquitance of mine sold his Superbird for a little over 2 grand in the late 80s, still haven't told him how much their worth now cause I know he'd be kicking himself
he knows
My wife sold my series one Maserati Sebring for 600 dollars!
@@andrewallen9993 how much did you sell the wife for
@@alecweinstein4990 😁
yeah but thats all it was worth back then we bought them in the early to mid-80s for as little as 900$ complete and 2500 very nice
I’ve had countless of times when looking for a classic car that the buyer tells me it’s absolutely mint and rustfree. Upon arriving I see a wreck where the only thing holding what’s left of the body to the frame is some ducttape work. I’ve seen countless cars that were just rotten, had an immense amount of body filler or had an engine that would not ever run right anymore. All of those had good pictures which didn’t show any of those issues.
Moral of the story, be very careful when buying classic cars. Always ask about intricate details beforehand and always inspect the car before you buy it
Had a guy tell me a car had a dent in the rear drivers fender. Drive 2.5 hours there. The car had been ass packed and that fender wasn't dented it was buckled because the entire body was shifted over from the accident. I figured what the hell I'll use it for a driver if I get it real cheap. I literally offered him 30% of his asking price because he lied and he immediatly took it. 6 months later i was putting an engine in it because god knows who fixed an engine issue and blocked an oil passage so it ate up the cam.
@@gearjammergamer8560 such a classic thing. Those guys absolutely know what they are selling and are hoping that you'll simply buy the car because you drove so far. But what did you do with the engine? And is it running again?
@@dennis885600 Put a new engine in it. Drive it everyday. As far as car prices as of right now I got a good deal on it. Just had to swap the engine. It's never going to be 100% right due to the body being tweaked. Works great for a daily
roll cage + no padding on it + no helmet = serious head injury when some clown runs into you while they are focused on diddling their phone instead of the road.
Any large purchase you make sight unseen from a total stranger you literally have no one to blame but yourself.
Keep up the good work Hoovie. You throw money at cars most of us wish we could.
If I had the money he spends a month on repairs and maintenance, I'd throw my money away.
I was a teenager when these came out. The car mags said they overheated on the street, because the air intake for the radiator was so small - it was meant to work at 180mph, not 70mph.
What?? You mean to tell me something unfortunate happened to Hoovie?! 😱🤯
LMAO...BAHAHA
Right on Sam. You get it. I don't care about it being on BAT or whatever. The whole Superbird thing was staged, concocted, and bullsh!t. I stopped watching his channel.
First rule of buying your dream car: *NEVER BUY SIGHT UNSEEN*
Meep meep!
There you go Tyler.
We had one of those Chryslers that talked. Stupid thing said "Your engine oil pressure is low prompt service is required" constantly no matter how full it was or how new the oil pump/pressure sensor was. It also said "please fasten your seatbelts" constantly too.
Even if you drop $30k into that beast IMO it’ll be worth it. Imagine how much it’ll be worth in 10 years. Pain in the ass I’m sure to deal with these headaches but hoovie is making TH-cam revenue on the saga. Enjoy the ride hoovie not everyone can own a superbird ❤️
Especially if he (by that I mean the right person) sorts out and pretty's up the wiring. Make this a one footer and he won't lose. Tyler likes to play like he has no clue, but in reality, he's pretty savvy (or lucky) - pretty sure he did some mental math on this purchase to ensure he wouldn't go too far underwater if it went south before putting his bid in..
He paid 100k for a vin number wit ha different body wrapped around it.
Why would you bury the car as opposed to junking it?
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Bring a trailer is full of bad experiences. I’ll stay away from that site.
You are right. We should all just stick to eBay motors.
That's exactly why it is called bring a trailer. The majority of times that is the case. Unfortunately the seller did not disclose the issues but at the end of the day you have a iconic car that will continue to increase in value.
Click bait , He was not scammed , He bought A resto mod that was not completed and assembled partially improperly . You got a real super bird for 1/10th its resale value . a 528 hemi is a 15k to 20k engine just by its self . < pre inflation . Listening to your tales of woe about the tuning is nothing short of ridiculous. Its a fast ecu . there is a ton of support for it . Struts and suspension would be a pain to get the right struts. But, with the right parts it will probably be yards better than the Chrysler front suspension that came under them. Those cheap ass Aero wheels should have given you a clue that there was a mix of cheap and pricey parts. you could have flown out there and inspected the car before purchase . Were you scammed ? NO . does it need work ? Of course. Resto mods can be full of bugs at first , It could be a case of passing on headaches as you said it went through a few purchasers who most likely couldn't figure out the ecu and cooling . So quit mewing like you have been burned . Now that you have made it public scored a bunch of money from TH-cam with your click bait titles . That the car itself generated . publicly fix it proper and you could make your money back easily. Get your snoopy friend's and start back searching its origins and see if you can find the original block. or a number coded match block and turn it back into a restoration. either way you won . sometimes your tails of woe are just so fake and contrived it is silly .
Yeah, I've got great respect for his Wizard, but when he said Wizard couldn't tune it and it had to be taken elsewhere, I went whuh de fawk?
If you see Cooper Cobra tires....RUN! If they use shitty tires they did the entire car shitty.
Hoovie ! Say it ain't so Tyler ! A Dealer actually misrepresented
a Collector Car ? ? Wow, Who'd a thunk it.
This is a very similar situation to the truck I bought recently. Main difference was that I knew it had a bad engine. What I didn't know was ALL the other issues of so much more wrong with it, some were severe risks to itself, some were significant risks to others on the road. It was appalling how bad this truck was. Just tonight I found that nearly the entire radiator is blocked with caked on grime behind the air-to-air and A/C condenser.
So I'll be cleaning that out tomorrow, as well as fixing the window crank so the door latch doesn't get jammed against it, preventing the door from opening.
Once again, Hoovie lets his heart override his head & he gets dudded. If it sounds too good to be true, then it usually is!
'There was no meep-meep' - Hoovie. That hit me in the feels bro!🤣
The thing about it being a garage queen which is only good to look at is that its ugly as sin.
Some types of sin are beautiful though.
My wife never approves of my car hoarding either but eventually gets annoyed and comes around
Love you Tyler! Good luck
You have to answer on how you spend YOUR money? Yikes...
"Partial re-body" ?? I'm one hundred percent sure that's a vin-swap to an entirely different replacement body shell. I highly doubt there's a single screw coming from the original car.
That is what I though when I first saw this car. It doesn't even have the braces under the wings. I'm betting the car is really a satellite with the vin swapped, and the original car was probably rusted and junked. I bet the original 426 is long gone and that is why it has a newer crate engine.
It's got the braces in the trunk and has too many Superbird only parts on it to be a Satellite...not just the nose cone and wing.
He made a video about a month ago with an expert looking at it. Expert said it was real.
Steve Magnante said it's real. It's 100% real. It was a race car that was crashed and repaired.
@@barrybambmessagedeletedbyy7467 Don't you know, the REAL experts are in the TH-cam comments section 😄
It's mainly his own fault, he bought an old car sight unseen off BAT from shifty seller who wasn't answering questions FROM THE BEGINNING. While the car was being auction. You know how many times I wanted to buy a car I thought was a steal but refrained bc it was a non-communicating seller!?
They need to put the seller on blast to protect other people
Imagine being scammed that hard and your balance - considering the incomes from the Superbird videos - is still positive :D
Oh man. The "That's all folks" absolutely killed me. That was vold blooded Ed. Lol
Beautiful car, lots of good parts there. Nothing that can't be fixed if you really want to drive it. Looks like not that bad of a deal for what it is.
Been there, bought a car on there and found out the engine was a European diesel engine not certifiable in the U.S.
The balls on this seller if he knows who Tyler is and who is audience is...talk about insane!
You guys are better people than I am, I would have at least put out his name on blast.
What does he care? Unloaded the turd
If you want a perfect car, or the seller to 'make it right' when something goes wrong shortly after the sale then you should be buying a new car with a warranty.
@@michaelschmidt5179 True but if word got out that he is this much of a POS...his life could get harder for him as it should....no? #Karma
@@alexnone5720 Where do you get this BS from, if you want a perfect car and buy a new car & warranty crap from what I posted above? First off the car is a classic muscle car, you are never getting a new one of those; and back then they had what they called a tail light warranty. I am referring to proper disclosure, it's a lot like being honest. This no $5K hoopty, this car owner was asking shy of $150K for this car, and usually at that price things are disclosed or lawyers get involved in court. There are some states where this is law already...for absolutely no reason at all, right? Not to mention lemon laws for new cars too because even new cars can be total POS as well and warranty won't save you from them. To have a thriving economy consumers require certain assurances or they won't spend or invest...without proper infrastructure you are trapped in a non prosperous third wold economic scenario.
@@sickjohnson you expect honesty from a used car salesman? The seller didn't ask for the 130k or whatever it went for, people bid it up that high. Maybe the people that stopped bidding knew something that Hoovey didn't. Disclosure on a used car is a check box that says "as is - no warranty" and you aren't getting around that as long as the SN or VIN match up the title.
New cars come with buyer protection, used ones don't even come with a tail light warranty if it is a private sale
What's the rambling about infrastructure and 3rd world countries about?
I live in Arkansas. In 2000 I purchased a 1996 Impala Super Sport from a person in Canada...sight unseen other than picture. The car was listed as only having 6,000 miles. The process of importing the car was rather interesting but doable. I flew up to drive the car back to Arkansas and have to say the seller was every honest about the car...it was spotless and beautiful. Not a single rock chip or scratch anywhere! Car was unique due to Canadian market cars requiring some things the US market cars didn't have, such as daytime running lights.
Happy Friday everyone
If you wanted a resto-mod as opposed to original or NOS/restored, why not just buy an old but clean B-body and mod it to your liking? As much as this car was modified, adding a wing and nose to a Road Runner would not be worse. Unless it's from a known hot rod shop, or unless you know the builder, should pass. With a car like this, the only way to approach the deal is assuming a checkered build/past and/or, putting it on a 2-post with a tech who knows and spending hours going over it. Doing a VIN search etc. Better yet, locate a Super Bird expert and start a search. Last - You get what you pay for.
I’m so glad we don’t have this in the uk. It’s like the Wild West in America. Such a shame because this car looks beautiful it’s just been really badly built. Good luck with it buddy.
I worked at a dealer for 15 years. We got snowjobbed multiple times at various auctions. Flood cars quick fixed and repainted from Katrina, title washed totalled out trash, stolen vehicles with altered VIN and/or incorrect titles.
It's easy to con in the US with very little recourse. Most states only offer lemon law protection on brand new cars. There's very little consumer protection here. Contracts generally just offer arbitration, which heavily favors the seller.
It IS the Wild West here. Hell, I don't even need a yearly inspection for emissions or road worthiness where I live. If you saw the shit boxes on the road around here, you'd be afraid to drive to the local grocer, let alone commute a significant distance.
I'll take wild west over red tape bureaucracy hell
@@noobplebdeluxe4426 👍👍
@@noobplebdeluxe4426 It’s really not that dramatic and pretty great for a buyer without Hoovie’s money. You buy a clearly mis sold car that’s a pile of shite from a dealer…you are legally entitled to return it, simple. Much better than the ‘as is’ mentality slapped on a car, which is really just a useful get out for a dealer to shift a crap car without doing work that probably morally should be completed prior to sale.
We don’t have MOT in the US, there are cars driving around that are completely unfit for the road. Some states have permanent registration for older vehicles so they can just keep driving those old vehicles as long as they can keep them running. It is kind of wild now that I think about it.
So sorry Hoovie! You are a good man and I hate to see this happen.
Bring a Trailer should do what Carfection does, send there own trained photographer who knows cars, might cost a bit more but they know what there selling on there site, Rj in Oz
Mr. Hoove has a addiction for below market value cars. $100K is like $1k dine-out-in to him. Just another dinner. Where most of us 98% would do a thorough inspection when spending that kind of money……..More Power to Him!!! It’s nice to see a Video Channel presenting a fool collector. Makes Me only dream…..
Know the feeling. I once bought a 'running and driving' project car, and once it was delivered I very quickly realised the engine was siezed solid!
Lol been there. “ran last summer (3 months beforehand), just needs a new battery” brought my own without telling him first and he started screaming at me that I didn’t trust him.
YES! I bought a 79' 300 and seller told me it was near perfect condition. When is was dropped it a nearly a complete wreck. Bad tire, wipers' did not work, dash lights didn't work, AC non operational even after he told he would replace the compressor, plugs and wire shot and list goes on. He hooked me in by telling what a good Christian he was... And it goes on. Ended up giving it to my friend for a third of price.. He is whipping in to shape.
Watching these videos I wouldn't buy even a new car in US. Every car seems to be a scam
These are worst case scenarios for guys who literally buy 100s of cars often sight unseen... I've bought a dozen cars, new and used, over my life and havent had any issues. I honestly dont know anyone who has.
A new car scam?
This video is about a used car. You're not very bright.
@@dr.floridaman4805 don’t be a jerk
I bought a used car sight-unseen and had it shipped to me. The car was almost perfect, so it isn't an interesting story. How many TH-cam videos are made about the millions of airplane flights that didn't crash?
Tyler, YOU of all people, should not have fallen for this! I learned my lesson on "buying without through inspection" many years ago when I purchased a first gen Mustang. Wow, put together with Bondo. What makes me more worried is when a car expert does this. First and foremost, a Superbird is NOT a Superbird when it has been restomodded. After my sad experience with that Mustang, I have never since bought without a personal inspection and I always check every serial number of the important parts to be sure that it is authentic and matching. With that, I am generally assured that it will hold its value. That, of course, doesn't substitute for a long test drive, inspection on a lift, and running a magnet over the entire car. Like me, I will bet you will never do this again! BTW, I enjoy your videos.
So as it goes the flying wiener mobile was a bust. I’m positive he’ll get over it soon.
Not seeing a scam. I mean how many people actually drive these? Tune up and shocks is just regular maintenance. Nice looking car, at a bargain price!
something about tyler, hardly know the guy, will likely never meet him in my life but he just rubs me off as a weasel
I think he comes across as a great guy. Doug Tabbutt is much more weasel like than Hoovie LOL. No offence Doug but you must admit being a used car salesman requires at least some weasel DNA
8:45 When your planning on possibly paying that much for a car, why not pay just a little more to have a vehicle inspector look it over first!
STOP SAYING "NASCARS" You are a well respected car guy and you're saying this?!
Nascars nascars nascars 😂
i paid $4000 (that's a four and three zeroes) for my bird. turns out it's a 1 of 1, white in and out. used to overheat All the time. drove me nuts! got radiator recored and it's been fine ever since. .........just a thought. Btw, bought it in 1980 :-)
Dose not matter if its Bring A Trailer or Reverb or any other site on the old nets, its “Buyer Be Ware!”!!!!
How does a car guy like this get taken? And how does BAT allow vehicles to be listed if it’s not an accurate depiction? Guess it’s not the same BAT since it was sold to the new owners, even w/ the auction fee refund…. And the guy who sold it screwed up b/c he’s now getting outed by VW and Hoovie
cant you just sue him? find the previous owner at the DMV , get a lawyer and get to work? wierd how little you can do in the us when they sell you crap cars and lie..
The sold "as is" protection clause in a vehicle contract is damn near iron clad. Usually, arbitration is the only recourse, but that heavily favors the seller. As far as I know, only failure to disclose known salvage can force a buy-back or guarantee a civil court win. Incorrect title will as well, with matching mileage between car and title being the most straight forward way to detect a scam. Unfortunately, if the vehicle is older than ten years, title mileage is exempt.