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Sadly, aside from counting, there are many ways to 'cheat' in cards; I think this is really a part of the game. As the commentator said, it is the responsibility of the card holder to hide his or her hand. Other than holding or hiding cards, spying on cards is an option. But doing it blatantly rather than working on skill is a weak game. I am sure Skillsrock wouldn't do so well going off of his cards alone. But just the same, I wouldn't want him sitting next to me in a game either.
@@muzkat101 -It’s the sign of a weasel and puts a black eye on the game. I’d lie detector the other guy to see if there was collusion and if so, ban him for life. Would you want to play with a guy like this?
That dealer / supervisor team was horrible. Who in their right mind allow players taking the cards off of the table without telling them off? That must be the most outrageous thing I have ever seen.
@@ihavegreatcomments8532 At most places if someone leaves the table with cards and goes into another room with them, that deck is retired and they bring in a new deck. Because he could have marked those cards in some way. If you are at a casino and that happenes, but they do not retire the deck and get a new one, run away from that casino as fast as you can.
@@ihavegreatcomments8532 yeah, no...that would make it possible that those cards have been marked once they left the table. A new deck should have been brought in as soon as a card left the table.
I would never play at a casino where they allow a player to be so obnoxious whether he's cheating or not. I don't enjoy somebody yelling in my ear or throwing chips around.
If Skillsrocks had quietly taken the wins with class and not had outrageous celebrations, it wouldn't have been as bad. It was hard to watch Barry not use his hand to effectively protect his cards, so I'm glad that he learned that lesson from all of this.
@@Sk82478it isn't even considered cheating, if your neighbor doesn't know how to look at his cards without showing them to others he probably doesn't have much experience and will keep losing $
imo it was a 1-sided collusion attempt. I don't put any fault on Antonio for that one. He didn't even know that the guy was trying to signal anything. I don't like Antonio for his trash content but I firmly believe he was not in on anything in this circumstance. But the attempt at collusion? That's straight cheating.
While it is the players responsibility to hide their cards, the way skillrocks acts with every hand shows he enjoys winning just by looking at someone's cards. It's sickening how it acts.
Spying cards cheats the other 7 players. Its like noticing the shuffler is marking cards and using that advantage without telling anyone. There is no skill in peeking, it just gives you a secret unfair advantage. It attracts bad karma and makes you dislike yourself for doing it.
It is up to every player to protect their cards but at every game I've ever sat at whenever someone around me isn't protecting their hand and I get an accidental glimpse at what they have or could easily do so I tell them they need to protect their hand. I never take advantage of the situation like this piece of human garbage did. Just his mouth alone is reason to dislike him. The cheating just makes it that much easier.
Yes I agree with you it’s their responsibility to protect their cards…. But this guy is purposely leaning over to look… there is a diff when you are flashing your cards and someone can see and there is a diff when u are trying to do ur best to protect your cards as Barry is doing… then the cheater is Leaning way over to look
I also think you need to protect your cards. The problem i have is he moved personal belongings of Barry to get a better look. He should not be messing around with whats nit his and clearly in front of another player.
Every player knows you have to protect your cards from others peeking. The guy taking the cards from the table and then bringing them back and that deck still being in play is what’s crazy.
Spying cards cheats the other 7 players. Its like noticing the shuffler is marking cards and using that advantage without telling anyone. There is no skill in peeking, it just gives you a secret unfair advantage. It attracts bad karma and makes you dislike yourself for doing it.
@@davidshuff2700 you have to dislike yourself if you cheat. Cheating cheats yourself out of the pleasure of true accomplishment. To cheat yourself out of true hapiness you have to dislike yourself
@@davidshuff2700 the cheater in question is very insecure and hates himself, its very apparent. Most narcissism is rooted in deep insecurity. They are usually really hard on themselves and can't handle any more self criticism, so they blame others and attack others and exude arrogance as a defense mechanism. They are usually at their maximum threshold of self loathing, that is why they can't take any more blame or criticism. They are usually not consciously aware of this either.
Much like Barry himself pointed out after this happened, he takes full responsibility for not guarding his cards better. However, what he couldn't abide was Skillsrocks using the knowledge to try to tip off a 'friend' at the table.
@@jmzbnd724 Seriously. Dude might as well been resting his head on the other guys shoulder when he was taking a peak. That's how close he was getting lol
If a player is going to flash their hole cards, that's on them. I guarantee this scumbag wouldn't have ever seen my hand, even if he was sitting in my lap! But there's a BIG difference between seeing a player's flashed hand and leaning over to sneak a peek! Well deserved ban, and I hope other rooms ban him as well. Just goes to show you that you simply cannot trust casino security to protect you. If this was blackjack, security would have caught it in a heartbeat, but they obviously aren't nearly as invested in protecting your money.
@@jmzbnd724 One hand to lift. Other hand to shield. If you absolutely must peak 1-handed, use that hand (and your body) to shield the cards (i.e. angle them towards your body).
Barry learned a good lesson and took it like a champ. Protecting your cards is apart of the game and you have a responsibility to do so. Getting relaxed, putting your hood up and putting your opponents in your blind spot with sunglasses was silly. He put himself in a disadvantage by not watching his opponents as well. He spent too much time focusing on things he wanted to instead of watching the table and the action.
yeah not like the motherfucker didn't move his glasses or lean his whole body to peak when everyone else knows its not allowed. The only lesson here is for the dude getting caught.
I agree with the idea that you gotta secure your cards. If you're peaking your cards openly enough where your opponent sitting beside you simply has to move their eyes toward your cards to cheat, you're doing it wrong. That being said, being an actual honest player, you should probably whisper to them to secure their cards better and that their peaks are very open.
@@petek7217 %100 lifted his whole cards way to high when looking. Protecting your cards is the FIRST thing any card player learns...If he was standing behind him...You might have a point; He wasn't. He was sitting at the table. No way possible to see the hand without sloppy card checks...Is it ethical? No. Is it cheating? NO! Supreme Court said it best: "You can't trespass someones eyes. If you don't want it to be in public, put up a fence." Anyone watching, take this as a lesson: Protect your cards from prying eyes...
@@brentfarvors192 only part I argue is the guy leans in, also he moved his glasses to continue to peek. Supreme Court/law doesn't mean right and wrong. My ethics let me know. So those two arguments I stand by. And so did that casino. Keep not cheating if you want to, ethical people know what it is.
@@petek7217 My response stands. You can "technically" say moving the glasses counts as cheating, but the responsibility of protecting ones cards always falls on the player...
Seriously. If someone moved something of mine, I'd be pissed whether I thought they were cheating or not. I'd probably put them back just to make a point.
I know right?? I to observe my opponents alot.. I feel like I would have picked up on this quickly... I mean he made it so fucking obvious lol dummy..🤣🤣🤣
The only thing he did that's cheating was kicking the dudes foot. Not saying he shouldn't be kicked out for that but there's nothing in the rules about trying to look at someone's cards.
This reflects on the Casino, the dealer at the table, and the game. That deck still in play was unreal. The kick under the table, wow. They need to review their policies at this casino; everyone watching this will think twice before playing there. The unethical player, lots of luck, sits at a table; the table should stand and ask the floor, do you want us to leave or him?
While it's true it's not exactly against any rules/laws to peek an opponent's cards but considered unethical. But beyond that, once you are deemed unethical by the community you will find it much harder to join games by the sheer fact that allowing such players in a game gives an appearance of a shady game to begin with.
@@Endor2001 Yes, this is very true. I would say the one rule he did break was when he took the cards from off the table. If I were in the game I would have demanded a new setup.
@@Mundanesoup4 I have as well and, like you, typically I will inform them once unless they give me a reason not to want to tell them. It's good to know there are still honest players out there.
During the wild west of poker, I'd imagine this is the type of guy who wouldn't leave the game without a handful of shotgun shells in his chest.... it's a shame he got to walk freely
Never played in a casino where the dealer allows players to reach across the table to take a pile of cards out of the muck.. and then allows them to roam the floor showing them off
You’re allowed a ‘safe retrieval’ if the dealer allows it. Mostly that’s done to verify a muck or a correct amount of a certain card in the deck. Taking stuff off the table should immediately result in a deck change, and it’s kinda frowned upon, but as the stakes approach nosebleed, players tend to do whatever they want. Look a baccarat players and see what kind of card abuse happens there.
True. It's the difference between ACCIDENTALLY seeing someone's hand, and DELIBERATELY trying to look at their hand. You are, rightly, expected to protect your hand from all other players. You should NOT be expected to have to guard your hand from DELIBERATE CHEATS.
Nah, the idea of "you should protect your cards so it's your fault" is just crazy to me. That means "it's totally not against the rules for me to run around the table as each person gets dealt their hand and try to peek every single person's hand and lean over next to them, as long as I don't touch them or mess with them. It's just their responsibility to hide it from me!" The dude moved his glasses to get a better view, leaned over to peek at his cards, and then swiped thousands of dollars off it. 1: moved property, 2: invaded space, 3: acted dishonestly outside of gentleman's play. If that's "not against the rules" you aren't playing a game, you're getting scammed by being fair. At that point just bring a gun to every poker game and say "well I'm not shooting you, nor am I saying I am! I'm just POINTING IT AT YOU AND TELLING YOU TO FOLD." If there's no honor among thieves, then there is no clan, no rules, no game. Barry DID attempt to hide his cards to some degree. You can see him hover hand his cards. Just not enough to stop the parasite inside of his skin from seeing them.
I was dying when they showed him moving Barry’s sunglasses to get a better view of Barry’s cards haha all on camera. The thing that bothers me is the fact the casino hasn’t paid Barry back a single dollar that he lost in that game. If the casino is going to give dude a lifetime ban then clearly they believe he was either cheating or destroying the integrity of the game. I don’t want anyone to lose their jobs, but the dealer(s) they had working should not be dealing in any poker room.
@@K13dawg Allowed a player (skillclown) to remove cards from the table then bring them back. The dealer then returned those cards to the deck and continued to deal with them. This is arguably more egregious than the peeking at another players cards. Floor should have been called. The whole deck should have been thrown in the garbage and skillclown should have gotten a formal warning at the very least if not escorted to the door.
How is it the casinos issue that Barry didn’t protect his cards? This technically isn’t even cheating, it’s just completely slimy and unethical but not cheating.
You clearly don't know how poker works if you think a casino is giving money back to a player who doesn't know how to properly protect his hand. In what world do you think ANY casino ANYWHERE would ever feel like they are obligated to do so? Do you even play poker?
I remember one time I was playing at a recently opened poker room in Vegas. The guy next to me was basically showing me his cards with the way he would peel them. At one point I even asked the dealer if it was okay to look at players card's if I saw them to try and tip the guy off. The dealer just looked at me and shrugged while everyone else laughed it off. Karma was what got me though; when I saw him peel JJ's, I look down at KK's. Least to say he hit quads and I lost my stack
@@neckup44 You are probably right. Why in the world anyone would go all in pre flop is beyond me unless you are too short stacked to actually play your cards.
It's crazy that no other player at the table realized the guy was looking at his neighbor's cards. Unless everybody is completely wasted, someone ought to say something. Or the dealer! He absolutely has to see this!
As the commentator himself said in the video, this isn't even considered cheating, the guy showing his cards was just being a careless bad poker player and his weaknesses was exploited.
Barry just took the high road later, proving he is the better man. I live and work in a casino in a small NV town, and that jerk would have a difficult time walking after an act like this came to light.
That’s weird lol I work at The Borgata. Killed a man in Cicero once, too. But this is TH-cam nobody would ever believe a comment like that because it’s probably a lie. But wanted to tell someone why not.
It is one thing to show your cards where someone can see them . It is another thing to lean over and cut your eyes to get a look at their cards. Making a move to see someones cards like that is cheating. Barry was not exposing his cards the cheater was leaning over that is not the same.
Barry seemed aware of this and took many measures to hide his hole cards. It looks like he peeked a lot, but I don’t think it’s possible to see Barry’s cards very often. But of course just a couple times a night is a very big difference, especially with no limit.
“It’s a very subtle peak” *leans over in his chair with his eyes glaring directly at his neighbors cards after literally moving around items on the table so he could get a perfect glance.
Yea amazing how so many people are emphasizing it as not cheating. Their own moral boundaries must be quite flimsy. Unethical is all you need to know, cheating is just another way to say it.
Earlier this year a player was coming in when his seat opened up next to me. The dealer said so and so was coming in and warned me and the seat to the left of the new player to not try and look at his hole cards explaining briefly that he was vision impaired to the point that he needed to bring the cards up to his face to see them. he did expose them at times. I respected that wish as I hope all who sit next to him do. Just 1-2 NL at Iowa casino but regardless of stakes show some morality, right?
100% be a decent human. Bad beats, being slow rolled or sucked out on the river are part of poker. Cheating is not. Kicking his friend under the table is absolutely cheating. He should be blackmailed from any casino for that along with his behavior.
The protect your card rule wasn't designed for people who purposely lean over to view your cards when you have your hands and or chips obstructing the view where a player sitting normally wouldn't be able to see them. The cheating dude was leaning back and at an angle to get a better view of the cards. The first time he did it, he should have been approached by the producers and warned. You could clearly see something was up. He wasn't upset that he was banned cuz he'll just do it at another casino.
If you're properly protecting your cards, no one should be able to see them, even if they *are* leaning over to try. still not cheating... now, colluding by kicking another player under the table, assaulting another player, and leaving the room with cards from one of the live decks? you're outta here
@@stormytyca of course it makes it cheating, you are doing something to gain a tactical advantage over your opponents that is against the rules of the game. If this is not cheating, then Mike Postle was never cheating by using an app to see all the UFI chipped cards in the livestream he played in based on your logic of looking at people's cards isn't cheating.
@@dox42o not the same thing. Postle used that app to gain that knowledge, no matter how well his opponents protected their hands. The fact that he used outside "help" and/or an electronic device with the express purpose being to gain an *unfair* advantage is what makes his stuff cheating. The act of leaning slightly to peek your opponent's improperly protected cards, while not completely sportsman-like, involves no app, or actually breaking the rules. There is no unfair advantage involved. Anyone can, in theory, physically lean over to try and see if their opponents are properly protecting their hands, or if they're able to get a peek. Is it an asshole move? Yes. Will I tell you to cut it out at my games? Yes. Doesn't make it cheating, or anywhere *close* to Postle's level of douchery. What I think you're thinking of is leaning to peek at someone's cards and then signaling someone else to let them know what they are. *That's* cheating. Nice try.
Protect your cards at all time, but thats just unethical! Also, any casino that allows you to take your cards off the table and then come back and play with the same deck is unheard of. Insane!
Played there years ago, I was so surprised at how much abuse the dealers take and how they let players yell, curse and slam the table without any repercussions All the other casinos I've played at will give you a warning and kick your ass out, I know it's the hustler casino but still that ruins the game
Yes. This would normally not be tolerated at a normal game in any casino. What you have to remember though, is that this is a live stream, and so the casino is not so much interested in good behavior as they are in getting viewers to stay tuned. Because of this, far from keeping the table polite and orderly, the producers actively encourage outrageous displays of temper. This is why Hellmuth gets a pass to threaten to burn a casino to the ground, because they know that shit goes viral and they can cash in with the extra exposure. There is no such thing as bad publicity as far as they are concerned. Unless of course, the producers themselves are part of the controversy, a la Postlegate, and the show gets immediately cancelled.
@@emdiar6588 The fact that they've convinced themselves a few views are worth more than presenting any trace of integrity = cartoonish level of stupidity. It doesn't matter which angle you take, the casino embarrassed itself beyond reason here.
Everything about this was horrible, him looking at the opponent cards unfortunately its not illegal. But to act like if he bluff him without cheating deserves a slap every time he got up and threw the chips. Now him telling his buddy, I don't know how no one in charged looked into that. No one should ever get on this again if a player is allowed to reach over a grab cards away from dealer and walk away with them
Even though its not ILLEGAL YET, Spying cards cheats the other 7 players. Its like noticing the shuffler is marking cards and using that advantage without telling anyone. Knowing 2 dead cards every hand provides you with a HUGE advantage, especially on flush boards when you know the nuts are in the muck and nobody else does. There is no skill in peeking, it just gives you a secret unfair advantage. It attracts bad karma and makes you dislike yourself for doing it.
Doesn’t compare at all to the Postal cheating. One is peaking at someone’s hand that is supposed to be responsible for protecting his cards. The other is text book cheating
Thank you for that. People in the comment section appear to have been abducted by aliens and taken back to the middle age for some fucking reason... If he is 100% ill intentioned (which he is) of course its fucking cheating. That kind of stupid excuse wouldnt stick, and if he was playing against me and i saw that footage i guarantee i would have taken my money back no matter what
Ya i know you're supposed to protect your cards and barry learned an expensive lesson but that guy in pink is an unethical person who i couldn't trust.
How in the name of God does that dealer let him grab the deck? I dealt in vegas for 7 years on LOW limit tables and would have never allowed that to happen. I know in higher limit games players have more of a leash, but that's just ridiculous. What's more insane is letting him LEAVE THE ROOM with some cards. Then apparently put those same cards back into the deck and keep on dealing??? What in the actual F ??? Absolutely unheard of
After the whole Robbi fiasco where they should have locked down the room and checked everyone for devices immediately, you can see now that security isn’t their strong suit.
I was thinking the same thing...even letting him look through the deck after a hand is outrageous. For one thing, he could be looking at what other players had to get a clue about how they play. No one should be allowed to touch any cards except their own, while they are playing those cards, and not after or any other time.
The glasses hide a poker players "tell" but seeing this i worry about the reflection of his cards showing in glass frames, even by putting on the table theres reflection, which is why i thought he was repositioning them, what do you guys think?
Even if looking at your opponents cards isn't illegal, just dirty. He still had something going on with the other guy when he kicked him under the table. So that's straight up cheating.
The commentators definitely saw him peaking those cards. why they didn't say anything just shows they aren't to talk about any form of cheating at this game probably because there is plenty mike pestle shenanigans going on. The only reason they talked about the leg kick is prob because Barry brought it up first. Now I don't think seeing cards in plain view is cheating but if you have to sneakily lean far out of your way to get a peak at somone else's cards than that is for sure 100% cheating.
Wore his hoddie: was sloppy looking at his cards....if a player shows his cards okay....no foul....if a player goes out of his way to view opponents hole cards F. O. U. L
Antonio and his friends seemed always shady. This video just confirms that their videos were all fake. If you cheat on live stream, imagine what they had done behind their cameras. Ever since middle school, people who looked like them tended to be so shady.
This kind of unethical cheating does happen in live games. It happened to me once many years ago. The cheater who sat next to me called my all in bluff on the river with a small under pair to a wet board. Everyone on the table wasn't convinced of his play to call with a small under pair and called out his cheating. He didn't mutter a word to defend himself. Fastforward today, this guy is long gone in poker scene. Cheaters like this never go far in their poker career.
Was this like 1959 where bluffing hadn’t been invented yet or something? I recently called a massive river jam with 44 on a KJ977 board against a loose aggro player to my immediate right who donked into my as the PF aggressor, was I cheating? Looking at cards is unethical (not cheating however) but if the only evidence was that he called with an underpair and everyone’s immediate reaction was that he was cheating, I would never want to play at that table and those people shouldn’t play poker.
@@mackwilkins5167 This pot was over $5,000 on $5 - $10 cash game with regular/full time poker players 10 years ago. One of them later became Vegas poker pro with $19 million live tournament cash under his belt. Everyone on the table was experienced enough to know what had happened from how the cheater preflop aggressively 3-bet from SB into my raise from the bottom position (to isolate) then continued aggressive betting into all high card connected flop, turn, and checked on the river with straight possibility, then called all in with a small under pair. You may want to adjust your condescending attitude. It won't help you on poker table or in life.
A. Why would it be his fault if you don’t protect your hand? Thats on you boss. B. You must have imagined this or play with the tightest players ever if you have never had a bluff called.
I'd say the parking lot meeting is the higher priority... and depending on how it turns out, maybe lift the lifetime ban while he sips food through a straw for the rest of his life. If this pile of $hit gets away with this unscathed, there is something wrong with the poker community!
He still walked away from the table with 2 of his cards in hand...???🤨🙄. The people running that casino are stupid, guess you can get away with anything there.
Look man , I learned to play in prison and one thing you learn from the door, " protect your cards! " I also got elbows . YOU WILL EAT ONE IF YOU WANT TO GET SLICK !!! 💯 THIS SKILLSROCKS DUDE WOULD OF DEFINITELY GOT ROCKED AND ATE AN ELBOW!!!
Most games and sports- especially poker- are based on taking opportunity of opponent weaknesses. With that being said, if a player is not protecting their cards, I think it is perfectly ethical to take advantage of that. This is not a charity case or a training session. When you’re playing for live money, it is YOUR responsibility to protect yourself at all times, and no one should get a pass for personal mistakes. That’s the name of the game. Now as far as the collusion part, THAT is actually legit cheating, because that is an advantage being created that other players do not have the opportunity to exploit, prevent, or have direct control of.
When he grabbed the cards after the hand from the dealer blew my mind that he wasn’t immediately reprimanded!!! Then he proceeded to take a walk and comes back and they don’t change the deck or even say anything!!! 🧠🧨
Naw that cheater was moving Barry's stuff to peek. That's not just catching an unguarded hand, that's straight up looking for it. Even worse when he tried to tip off his buddy. Both of them should've been tossed right then and there. Their stacks are then split evenly with remaining players at the table.
Dude, the lean over he was doing should've put the flags up for the supervisors. Also the victim isn't doing a good job of covering and concealing his cards.
If you have ever played in a casino with a bunch of people, you know it is almost impossible to fully hide your cards. If you are intentionally looking at someones cards, in my mind that is definitely cheating and not a legal play.
@@aquapony hahaha ya really dude you actually think THATS what a lady is????? She's probably had bills thrown at her ffs Too quick to defend shows that the dude is simping
Barry wasn't loose. Dude was moving his whole torso and readjusting shit on the table to see that cards. There are games where dude would just straight up get his ass beat for that and go home with no money.
The other players should also realize it is a disadvantage for them if they let a cheater get away with it. He will have the chip lead illegitimately and hence be in a far stronger position vs the whole table. Everyone should have seen that going on, and everyone should have said something.
Honestly catching someone’s hand is one thing. Setting up or leaning to see cards is cheating to me. Cheating is setting up an unfair advantage in any way.
You didn't mention the strangest thing. Skillsrocks picked up all of the cards after the hand was over, looked thru them and took 2 cards out. Then he followed Barry into the next room to show him what he had ( supposedly ) when he folded. Didn't anyone notice him looking thru the cards to find the 2 that would make him look innocent? Why was he allowed to look thru the cards with the controversy still in play? After this happened, he continued to look at Barry's cards. No shame at all.
Bro kicked him so hard that Antonio had the "wtf was that" display. Bringing more attention to it. Scumbag move all around but damn, how aggressive bruh. Dude punted his homie 67yds and he still didn't get the message. In that regard, I don't know that Antonio was aware ahead of time what he was doing and therefore can't say collusion. He was trying to collude but it seems Antonio just got kicked instead. The way he threw his cards down like he had a straight flush tho 🤣 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Im sorry, arent people supposed to hide their cards when they look? I always make sure I hide from all angles, how could this high roller just allow someone to see his cards every single hand?
Still.. spying cards cheats the other 7 players. Its like noticing the shuffler is marking cards and using that advantage without telling anyone. Knowing 2 dead cards every hand provides you with a HUGE advantage, especially on flush boards when you know the nuts are in the muck and nobody else does. There is no skill in peeking, it just gives you a secret unfair advantage. It attracts bad karma and makes you dislike yourself for doing it.
Found this: However, poker is a game where you try to outsmart your opponents. If you’ve warned a player a few times that you can see their cards and nothing changes, you can continue playing. After all, you can’t keep folding for an entire game to accommodate one player. But however often you feel you should warn a player (or fold as a result of seeing their cards) is up to your discretion. It is considered poor poker etiquette to continue playing and exploit their mistake without first notifying them or giving them a chance. The guy got caught being a sleazeball. Now everyone knows not to play with him. That's part of the game as well.
Respect for Barry. Even though he didn’t protect enough he still kept half his stack despite playing with his cards face up. Someone really should’ve come and told him what was going on while they were playing though
They should've given Barry his money back, yes it was not cheating although for Barry to have been stripped of almost 5k under is outrageous especially because Skills got banned and committed multiple offenses that day #JusticeforBarry
The kick/fold was %100 DEFINITELY CHEATING!!! Signaling other players is 1 MILLION % CHEATING!!!! Can't really say what I really feel about those scum bags!!!
Definitely wouldn't compare this to mike postle who colluded with an insider to get a live feed of stream showing all the other players cards. This was angeling by an unethical player against a player that doesn't protect his cards well enough.
I feel like there's a limit to how much you can go out of your way to look at an opponent's cards without it going from just unethical to cheating. If they just lift the cards too much and you look sideways, fine--you're an asshole if you keep doing it, but fine. If you literally crane your neck over their shoulder and move things on the table to catch the cards, you might as well be using a camera or mirror
No, there's a limit how much you go to ethical to unethical. If they just lift the cards too much and you look sideways you're not an asshole. They are literally showing you. Look at the cards and punish these stupid players for playing so defenseless, then they might learn to be careful
Cheating would be using something to be able you to do something you weren't supposed to be able to do. Like using a mirror to see from an angle you wouldn't otherwise see. That's cheating
@@davipenha what if I put my head over the guys shoulder...where do you draw the line...imagine if you were there. What do you think is acceptable. How far leaned over is too far. Like actually think
I look at people when they are looking at their cards. If I can see the cards without trying I definitely look and announce hey bud I can see your cards, you outta cover them up.
I love the whole argument of looking at a player's card that if he isn't protecting it isn't cheating. I seem to remember a little scene from a movie called Casino where you had two guys doing that and the Casino tuned them up for it. But if you say hey that's a movie well then why would a casino ban you after someone says "I think he cheated and looked my cards."
This is what I find funny too. Lots of people saying it's technically not cheating when it is the dictionary definition of cheating "act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination". People act like because he wasn't walked off in handcuffs that he did nothing wrong. It wasn't like Barry accidentally flashed his cards. His method of viewing his cards may have been a little lazy but not completely abnormal. That douchebag was deliberately and conspicuously going out of his way to sneak a peek so much so that he moved barry's glasses for the sole purpose of cheating. Most people expect to be caught when they are obviously glancing at other players cards so they don't do it much less act like an ass when it works out to their benefit. He should never be allowed in another casino because apparently cameras don't even deter this cheater.
It's a scumbag move but it isn't cheating to look at another players cards like this. It is cheating to send signals to other players (that is collusion). In this instance it was between three players, so it is at the discretion of the casino to ban or not ban player(s). What you talk about in casino is between two players and the casino - this will result in the casino banning both players to say the least.
Most poker rooms will post the rules for that room on an entrance wall, and sometimes around a few places in the room itself. ‘Protect your hand at all times’ is usually prominently displayed there. Flip side is, most tour rules will have discretionary rules concerning this behavior too and can sometimes remove a player from an event if this happens.
He’s a cheater in my eyes. Even with it not TECHNICALLY being a rule breaker. If he’s going to play that game he should play it straight up and have the confidence in himself to know how to play
Lol atleast they admit it's not "cheating" dishonest yes 100% but it's also gambling for real money so dudes an idiot for not being more careful with his cards
So if you're (correctly) reporting that "looking at a player's hole cards isn't technically cheating", why is the title of your video labeled "shocking poker cheating..."?
It is your responsibility to guard your cards but Barry did a very reasonable job at that. You guard your cards not expecting you neighbors to lean over your should and move your belongings to get a better view.
I loved a dealer once, she dealed in a table filled with bigshots literally, people who can make a bet worth a million time of both me and her earnings for life, people who, with a flick of a finger, can literally make both of us disappear. Based on the introduction of these people, I think that they are wealthy and powerful people aswell (10-20-20 blinds are not meant for average folks) and it is to her best interest to just not point it out and as a matter of fact, no evidence means he is not guilty, the dealer couldn't possibly said something like "I saw you peaked at his cards 30s ago" which these VIPs might make a big deal out of it and literally get the dealer in trouble instead
@@catbuikhang6482 Fair enough... but that doesn't stop the other players at the table from pointing it out. Him knowing what ONE other player's cards are gives him an advantage over ALL other players. So they should have spotted that and put an end to it, for their own sake. Still, one of the dealers could have pointed it out to the floor person, after they finished their rotation. The floor person shouldn't have any hesitation to put an end to it, since it destroys the integrity of their casino.
@@catbuikhang6482 Yea but that's why I don't buy that. Like I said... that advantage he gained was costing ALL OTHER PLAYERS money. Poker players won't mind their own business when someone is stealing their money. I'd say they were just not very aware of what was happening at the table.
@@cnelsonlv99 Yes and that is also their mistake that costing them money lol or maybe it's just that they themselves just wanted to enjoy themselves and do not want to raise a fuss
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Sadly, aside from counting, there are many ways to 'cheat' in cards; I think this is really a part of the game. As the commentator said, it is the responsibility of the card holder to hide his or her hand. Other than holding or hiding cards, spying on cards is an option. But doing it blatantly rather than working on skill is a weak game. I am sure Skillsrock wouldn't do so well going off of his cards alone. But just the same, I wouldn't want him sitting next to me in a game either.
Do they allow you to leave the table with your cards too ?. No thanks. Your casino sucks. Probably literally.
@@muzkat101 lá pipi q pipi por
EXACTLY ITS NOT CHEATING,
@@muzkat101 -It’s the sign of a weasel and puts a black eye on the game. I’d lie detector the other guy to see if there was collusion and if so, ban him for life. Would you want to play with a guy like this?
The worst part about it is he acts like he’s some great poker player when he wins a hand.
Exactly
Yeah skills is trash. Def deserved to be banned
As if being a great poker player means anything lul
All cheaters act like that
He’s like those online poker experts who say shit like: “I would’ve folded the full house” when they can see the cards
That dealer / supervisor team was horrible. Who in their right mind allow players taking the cards off of the table without telling them off? That must be the most outrageous thing I have ever seen.
I agree, and once a player leaves the table with cards in his hand that deck must be retired and a new deck should be put into play.
@@stevestewart6287 they just bring the missing cards
@@ihavegreatcomments8532 At most places if someone leaves the table with cards and goes into another room with them, that deck is retired and they bring in a new deck. Because he could have marked those cards in some way. If you are at a casino and that happenes, but they do not retire the deck and get a new one, run away from that casino as fast as you can.
@@ihavegreatcomments8532 yeah, no...that would make it possible that those cards have been marked once they left the table. A new deck should have been brought in as soon as a card left the table.
The fact that the dealer even let him touch the muck and get the cards out is the first red flag. Would have never happened when I was dealing.
I would never play at a casino where they allow a player to be so obnoxious whether he's cheating or not. I don't enjoy somebody yelling in my ear or throwing chips around.
You're very sensitive and feminine
While true, you gotta remember this is a show, and for some people this sort of trash scumbag of a player is entertainment.
You do that in ANY of the casinos around here get ready, you’re signing 86 papers and probably a lifetime signature 100%
Well if u can't stand the heat....
It's fucking irritating, and it's mindboggling how many people defend that shit. "pOker nEeDS peRSoNaLIty"
That outfit choice should've been another reason to ban him.
If Skillsrocks had quietly taken the wins with class and not had outrageous celebrations, it wouldn't have been as bad. It was hard to watch Barry not use his hand to effectively protect his cards, so I'm glad that he learned that lesson from all of this.
Makes you wonder how many people get away with this
@@Sk82478it isn't even considered cheating, if your neighbor doesn't know how to look at his cards without showing them to others he probably doesn't have much experience and will keep losing $
Wouldn’t have been as bad? 🤡
The fact that he kicked another player under the table should be a sign of collusion.
that's probably what had him kickable, looking wasn't enough
imo it was a 1-sided collusion attempt. I don't put any fault on Antonio for that one. He didn't even know that the guy was trying to signal anything. I don't like Antonio for his trash content but I firmly believe he was not in on anything in this circumstance. But the attempt at collusion? That's straight cheating.
Do you know how many times I've had to stretch out my legs and have inadvertently hit another player's leg/foot?
@@tomb816 yeah that's not what was happening here though
@@tomb816 just another scumbag cheater.
While it is the players responsibility to hide their cards, the way skillrocks acts with every hand shows he enjoys winning just by looking at someone's cards. It's sickening how it acts.
I was "ok" with it up UNTIL the very second he kicked his partner under the table...Where is the mafia when we need them...?
Or maybe he just enjoys winning...
Spying cards cheats the other 7 players. Its like noticing the shuffler is marking cards and using that advantage without telling anyone. There is no skill in peeking, it just gives you a secret unfair advantage. It attracts bad karma and makes you dislike yourself for doing it.
Yeah no shit who dosent like money
It's pretty simple, he's just a trash human being
Even though looking at another players hand is not cheating, he still tapped "soflo" foot to make him try to check which is 100% cheating.
Spy opponents card is cheating 100% otherwise u can play open card
@@cityhunter5962 false, its your responsibility to hide your whole cards idiot
@@cityhunter5962 It is not cheating as stated in this video, you need to hide your cards.
Looking over at another player’s cards is 💯 cheating
@@cityhunter5962 are you incapable of learning or do you just ignore the statement presented to you. It’s not cheating to spy cards, protect your hand
Much respect to Barry for keeping his cool and not even asking for a refund. Dude is clearly a legit player
Thanks for a great upload, well edited!
It is up to every player to protect their cards but at every game I've ever sat at whenever someone around me isn't protecting their hand and I get an accidental glimpse at what they have or could easily do so I tell them they need to protect their hand. I never take advantage of the situation like this piece of human garbage did. Just his mouth alone is reason to dislike him. The cheating just makes it that much easier.
I agree I warn them first time and if they keep showing after that so be it. This guys is braging after every play so dumb.
Yes I agree with you it’s their responsibility to protect their cards…. But this guy is purposely leaning over to look… there is a diff when you are flashing your cards and someone can see and there is a diff when u are trying to do ur best to protect your cards as Barry is doing… then the cheater is Leaning way over to look
I also think you need to protect your cards. The problem i have is he moved personal belongings of Barry to get a better look. He should not be messing around with whats nit his and clearly in front of another player.
that's y i usually wait until it's my turn but that dude should b blacklisted whatever he goes so messed up
If its the responsibility of the player to protect their cards, it's not cheating by the other player if the former doesn't manage to do so.
Every player knows you have to protect your cards from others peeking. The guy taking the cards from the table and then bringing them back and that deck still being in play is what’s crazy.
Spying cards cheats the other 7 players. Its like noticing the shuffler is marking cards and using that advantage without telling anyone. There is no skill in peeking, it just gives you a secret unfair advantage. It attracts bad karma and makes you dislike yourself for doing it.
@@Enderboiiii I don’t think he dislikes himself
@@davidshuff2700 you have to dislike yourself if you cheat. Cheating cheats yourself out of the pleasure of true accomplishment. To cheat yourself out of true hapiness you have to dislike yourself
@@davidshuff2700 the cheater in question is very insecure and hates himself, its very apparent. Most narcissism is rooted in deep insecurity. They are usually really hard on themselves and can't handle any more self criticism, so they blame others and attack others and exude arrogance as a defense mechanism. They are usually at their maximum threshold of self loathing, that is why they can't take any more blame or criticism. They are usually not consciously aware of this either.
@@Enderboiiii oh ok
Much like Barry himself pointed out after this happened, he takes full responsibility for not guarding his cards better. However, what he couldn't abide was Skillsrocks using the knowledge to try to tip off a 'friend' at the table.
How much more can u guard your cards?...So its ok to go behind someone during a hand?...personal space was clearly violated
@@jmzbnd724 Seriously. Dude might as well been resting his head on the other guys shoulder when he was taking a peak. That's how close he was getting lol
If a player is going to flash their hole cards, that's on them. I guarantee this scumbag wouldn't have ever seen my hand, even if he was sitting in my lap! But there's a BIG difference between seeing a player's flashed hand and leaning over to sneak a peek! Well deserved ban, and I hope other rooms ban him as well. Just goes to show you that you simply cannot trust casino security to protect you. If this was blackjack, security would have caught it in a heartbeat, but they obviously aren't nearly as invested in protecting your money.
@@jmzbnd724 One hand to lift. Other hand to shield. If you absolutely must peak 1-handed, use that hand (and your body) to shield the cards (i.e. angle them towards your body).
@@toddmacadam3888 - That was a $5,400 lesson that Barry learned. Or one hopes he learned.
Barry learned a good lesson and took it like a champ. Protecting your cards is apart of the game and you have a responsibility to do so. Getting relaxed, putting your hood up and putting your opponents in your blind spot with sunglasses was silly. He put himself in a disadvantage by not watching his opponents as well. He spent too much time focusing on things he wanted to instead of watching the table and the action.
Yep don't trust no one period Berry. I hope he sees this video. Learning lesson.
The worst thing is at 5:10 when the mask was taken off. This could have murdered people in the height of Covid.
Bruh if you were seated next to poker bunny, you would be focusing on the things you wanted to as well
yeah not like the motherfucker didn't move his glasses or lean his whole body to peak when everyone else knows its not allowed. The only lesson here is for the dude getting caught.
That hoodie is making it harder for him to see what the cheater is doing
I agree with the idea that you gotta secure your cards. If you're peaking your cards openly enough where your opponent sitting beside you simply has to move their eyes toward your cards to cheat, you're doing it wrong. That being said, being an actual honest player, you should probably whisper to them to secure their cards better and that their peaks are very open.
Yuo...I saw a Doug Polk video one time where he mentioned a guy next to him was flashing his hole cards. Doug warned him twice then stopped.
Yea if a player exposes their own cards that's on them.
Its immoral to let a sucker keep his money
Looking at his hole cards is unethical but not cheating. Kicking his buddy in the leg is DEFINITELY cheating
%100! Protecting your whole cards is the PLAYERS responsibility...
@@brentfarvors192 100% cheated by leaning into view... cards were plenty protected. Not to mention dude moved his glasses at one point.
@@petek7217 %100 lifted his whole cards way to high when looking. Protecting your cards is the FIRST thing any card player learns...If he was standing behind him...You might have a point; He wasn't. He was sitting at the table. No way possible to see the hand without sloppy card checks...Is it ethical? No. Is it cheating? NO! Supreme Court said it best: "You can't trespass someones eyes. If you don't want it to be in public, put up a fence." Anyone watching, take this as a lesson: Protect your cards from prying eyes...
@@brentfarvors192 only part I argue is the guy leans in, also he moved his glasses to continue to peek. Supreme Court/law doesn't mean right and wrong. My ethics let me know. So those two arguments I stand by. And so did that casino. Keep not cheating if you want to, ethical people know what it is.
@@petek7217 My response stands. You can "technically" say moving the glasses counts as cheating, but the responsibility of protecting ones cards always falls on the player...
The fact that he moved the guys glasses (which were acting as protection) should be enough to get him banned.
Seriously. If someone moved something of mine, I'd be pissed whether I thought they were cheating or not. I'd probably put them back just to make a point.
It should be enough to have him pulled into the back room and raccoon him
It's crazy that nobody noticed during the game. Am I the only one that looks at my opponents at a poker table? Cheaters are at every level.
I know right?? I to observe my opponents alot.. I feel like I would have picked up on this quickly... I mean he made it so fucking obvious lol dummy..🤣🤣🤣
The only thing he did that's cheating was kicking the dudes foot. Not saying he shouldn't be kicked out for that but there's nothing in the rules about trying to look at someone's cards.
Exactly! Caught a guy to my left trying to peek at my cards on the 1st level of a tournament 🤷♂️
'at every lev'. Friend of me just started to observe our host dealer trying to peak at the next cards... 25c 50c...
@@Zaluskowsky is that host dealer also in the game?
"It was a very subtle peak" - Guy leaning over Barry's shoulders with binoculars
This reflects on the Casino, the dealer at the table, and the game. That deck still in play was unreal. The kick under the table, wow. They need to review their policies at this casino; everyone watching this will think twice before playing there. The unethical player, lots of luck, sits at a table; the table should stand and ask the floor, do you want us to leave or him?
While it's true it's not exactly against any rules/laws to peek an opponent's cards but considered unethical. But beyond that, once you are deemed unethical by the community you will find it much harder to join games by the sheer fact that allowing such players in a game gives an appearance of a shady game to begin with.
True, but yet, he did NOT break any rules. Gotta protect your cards.
@@Endor2001 Yes, this is very true. I would say the one rule he did break was when he took the cards from off the table. If I were in the game I would have demanded a new setup.
@@Jkief123 absolutely. Why nobody on the floor saw that or didn't do anything about that is unbelievable.
I've played with people who raise their cards so much I can see them. Usually I say something but if they're annoying or smell bad I wont lol
@@Mundanesoup4 I have as well and, like you, typically I will inform them once unless they give me a reason not to want to tell them. It's good to know there are still honest players out there.
During the wild west of poker, I'd imagine this is the type of guy who wouldn't leave the game without a handful of shotgun shells in his chest.... it's a shame he got to walk freely
We need to go back to those days. A lot less loud mouths and a lot more caskets.
🤠😂🤣🤣🤣
been to a few house poker nights where i seen people get pummeled for stuff like this. not at casinos though because its not cheating
Yeah his life should have come to an end for this.
I would mind dropping a few 5.56mm rounds into that greasy spic
Never played in a casino where the dealer allows players to reach across the table to take a pile of cards out of the muck.. and then allows them to roam the floor showing them off
Its 10/20/40. They can basically do whatever they want.
You’re allowed a ‘safe retrieval’ if the dealer allows it. Mostly that’s done to verify a muck or a correct amount of a certain card in the deck.
Taking stuff off the table should immediately result in a deck change, and it’s kinda frowned upon, but as the stakes approach nosebleed, players tend to do whatever they want. Look a baccarat players and see what kind of card abuse happens there.
@@andrewdrennan9436 dont ever compare baccarat to poker.
@@aro327 to be specific, I was comparing the card abuse between the two game’s players.
@@aro327 lol
Tell me you have no experience at that level without telling me you have no experience at that level.
Many times I tell people, "Sir, cover your cards ... I can see your hand." What good is it to win by cheating?
True.
It's the difference between ACCIDENTALLY seeing someone's hand, and DELIBERATELY trying to look at their hand.
You are, rightly, expected to protect your hand from all other players.
You should NOT be expected to have to guard your hand from DELIBERATE CHEATS.
Nah, the idea of "you should protect your cards so it's your fault" is just crazy to me. That means "it's totally not against the rules for me to run around the table as each person gets dealt their hand and try to peek every single person's hand and lean over next to them, as long as I don't touch them or mess with them. It's just their responsibility to hide it from me!" The dude moved his glasses to get a better view, leaned over to peek at his cards, and then swiped thousands of dollars off it. 1: moved property, 2: invaded space, 3: acted dishonestly outside of gentleman's play. If that's "not against the rules" you aren't playing a game, you're getting scammed by being fair. At that point just bring a gun to every poker game and say "well I'm not shooting you, nor am I saying I am! I'm just POINTING IT AT YOU AND TELLING YOU TO FOLD."
If there's no honor among thieves, then there is no clan, no rules, no game. Barry DID attempt to hide his cards to some degree. You can see him hover hand his cards. Just not enough to stop the parasite inside of his skin from seeing them.
The poker world is a lot smaller than he might have realized! He will get what coming to him.
I was dying when they showed him moving Barry’s sunglasses to get a better view of Barry’s cards haha all on camera. The thing that bothers me is the fact the casino hasn’t paid Barry back a single dollar that he lost in that game. If the casino is going to give dude a lifetime ban then clearly they believe he was either cheating or destroying the integrity of the game. I don’t want anyone to lose their jobs, but the dealer(s) they had working should not be dealing in any poker room.
What did the dealers do?
@@K13dawg Allowed a player (skillclown) to remove cards from the table then bring them back. The dealer then returned those cards to the deck and continued to deal with them. This is arguably more egregious than the peeking at another players cards. Floor should have been called. The whole deck should have been thrown in the garbage and skillclown should have gotten a formal warning at the very least if not escorted to the door.
How is it the casinos issue that Barry didn’t protect his cards? This technically isn’t even cheating, it’s just completely slimy and unethical but not cheating.
@@K13dawg nothing. That was the problem. Probably in on it , as well as the casino.
You clearly don't know how poker works if you think a casino is giving money back to a player who doesn't know how to properly protect his hand. In what world do you think ANY casino ANYWHERE would ever feel like they are obligated to do so? Do you even play poker?
I remember one time I was playing at a recently opened poker room in Vegas. The guy next to me was basically showing me his cards with the way he would peel them. At one point I even asked the dealer if it was okay to look at players card's if I saw them to try and tip the guy off. The dealer just looked at me and shrugged while everyone else laughed it off. Karma was what got me though; when I saw him peel JJ's, I look down at KK's. Least to say he hit quads and I lost my stack
Sure, cool story. He hit quads lol
@@jessebella9322 thanks!
So you're saying you went all in knowing he had at least a set when you were holding a pair?🤔
@@eddiewaters4383 trapped him preflop
@@neckup44 You are probably right. Why in the world anyone would go all in pre flop is beyond me unless you are too short stacked to actually play your cards.
I don't know I wont call that cheating. Isn't a player responsible to protect his own hole cards? But I am not sure.
It's crazy that no other player at the table realized the guy was looking at his neighbor's cards. Unless everybody is completely wasted, someone ought to say something. Or the dealer! He absolutely has to see this!
As the commentator himself said in the video, this isn't even considered cheating, the guy showing his cards was just being a careless bad poker player and his weaknesses was exploited.
Barry just took the high road later, proving he is the better man. I live and work in a casino in a small NV town, and that jerk would have a difficult time walking after an act like this came to light.
That’s weird lol I work at The Borgata. Killed a man in Cicero once, too. But this is TH-cam nobody would ever believe a comment like that because it’s probably a lie. But wanted to tell someone why not.
peaking isn't cheating, however kicking someone's leg under the table, that's definitely cheating.
Peeking
@@thisismagacountry1318 thanks. Though in truth I think peeking players are pea kings in deed.
Maybe he had restless leg syndrome. 😄😄
What makes his peeking cheating was when he moved an obstacle out of the way to see the cards. That's straight cheating
Agree
It is one thing to show your cards where someone can see them . It is another thing to lean over and cut your eyes to get a look at their cards. Making a move to see someones cards like that is cheating. Barry was not exposing his cards the cheater was leaning over that is not the same.
”Whazup dawg?! Don’t play with me!”
*Don’t you worry about that. Nobody is ever gonna play poker with you again after this* 😂😂😂
Barry seemed aware of this and took many measures to hide his hole cards. It looks like he peeked a lot, but I don’t think it’s possible to see Barry’s cards very often. But of course just a couple times a night is a very big difference, especially with no limit.
“It’s a very subtle peak”
*leans over in his chair with his eyes glaring directly at his neighbors cards after literally moving around items on the table so he could get a perfect glance.
That's just a part of poker. Ethical? NO Cheating? NO. BUT, that kick/fold IS CHEATING 1 MILLION % CHEATING POS!
Yea amazing how so many people are emphasizing it as not cheating. Their own moral boundaries must be quite flimsy. Unethical is all you need to know, cheating is just another way to say it.
How can you move another players glasses?
@@GODISGREAT_12 There is no specific rule against it...Better question is; How do you not notice...?
@@brentfarvors192 yea I was thinking that too. That guy needs to be more aware
Earlier this year a player was coming in when his seat opened up next to me. The dealer said so and so was coming in and warned me and the seat to the left of the new player to not try and look at his hole cards explaining briefly that he was vision impaired to the point that he needed to bring the cards up to his face to see them. he did expose them at times. I respected that wish as I hope all who sit next to him do. Just 1-2 NL at Iowa casino but regardless of stakes show some morality, right?
100% be a decent human. Bad beats, being slow rolled or sucked out on the river are part of poker. Cheating is not. Kicking his friend under the table is absolutely cheating. He should be blackmailed from any casino for that along with his behavior.
@@BrooklynZ00 Counterpoint: Being slowrolled is "not" part of poker.
The protect your card rule wasn't designed for people who purposely lean over to view your cards when you have your hands and or chips obstructing the view where a player sitting normally wouldn't be able to see them. The cheating dude was leaning back and at an angle to get a better view of the cards. The first time he did it, he should have been approached by the producers and warned. You could clearly see something was up. He wasn't upset that he was banned cuz he'll just do it at another casino.
If you're properly protecting your cards, no one should be able to see them, even if they *are* leaning over to try. still not cheating... now, colluding by kicking another player under the table, assaulting another player, and leaving the room with cards from one of the live decks? you're outta here
The leaning should be a bigger issue for people.
Is the leaning unethical? yes. Still doesn't make it cheating, as shady as it might be.
@@stormytyca of course it makes it cheating, you are doing something to gain a tactical advantage over your opponents that is against the rules of the game. If this is not cheating, then Mike Postle was never cheating by using an app to see all the UFI chipped cards in the livestream he played in based on your logic of looking at people's cards isn't cheating.
@@dox42o not the same thing.
Postle used that app to gain that knowledge, no matter how well his opponents protected their hands. The fact that he used outside "help" and/or an electronic device with the express purpose being to gain an *unfair* advantage is what makes his stuff cheating.
The act of leaning slightly to peek your opponent's improperly protected cards, while not completely sportsman-like, involves no app, or actually breaking the rules. There is no unfair advantage involved. Anyone can, in theory, physically lean over to try and see if their opponents are properly protecting their hands, or if they're able to get a peek.
Is it an asshole move? Yes. Will I tell you to cut it out at my games? Yes.
Doesn't make it cheating, or anywhere *close* to Postle's level of douchery.
What I think you're thinking of is leaning to peek at someone's cards and then signaling someone else to let them know what they are. *That's* cheating.
Nice try.
The audacity this guy have, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s found dead.
U want to kill this guy huh? 🙂
Protect your cards at all time, but thats just unethical! Also, any casino that allows you to take your cards off the table and then come back and play with the same deck is unheard of. Insane!
Played there years ago, I was so surprised at how much abuse the dealers take and how they let players yell, curse and slam the table without any repercussions
All the other casinos I've played at will give you a warning and kick your ass out, I know it's the hustler casino but still that ruins the game
Don't go there then leave the hustling to the hustlers
Yes. This would normally not be tolerated at a normal game in any casino.
What you have to remember though, is that this is a live stream, and so the casino is not so much interested in good behavior as they are in getting viewers to stay tuned. Because of this, far from keeping the table polite and orderly, the producers actively encourage outrageous displays of temper. This is why Hellmuth gets a pass to threaten to burn a casino to the ground, because they know that shit goes viral and they can cash in with the extra exposure.
There is no such thing as bad publicity as far as they are concerned.
Unless of course, the producers themselves are part of the controversy, a la Postlegate, and the show gets immediately cancelled.
Hockey Poker,...sic(pph-thuua)!!
@@emdiar6588 The fact that they've convinced themselves a few views are worth more than presenting any trace of integrity = cartoonish level of stupidity.
It doesn't matter which angle you take, the casino embarrassed itself beyond reason here.
I really hope they made an example out of him, our society has allowed the "easy" route to become cool.
Call these dirtbags out and CANCEL THEM!!!!
Everything about this was horrible, him looking at the opponent cards unfortunately its not illegal. But to act like if he bluff him without cheating deserves a slap every time he got up and threw the chips. Now him telling his buddy, I don't know how no one in charged looked into that. No one should ever get on this again if a player is allowed to reach over a grab cards away from dealer and walk away with them
Even though its not ILLEGAL YET, Spying cards cheats the other 7 players. Its like noticing the shuffler is marking cards and using that advantage without telling anyone. Knowing 2 dead cards every hand provides you with a HUGE advantage, especially on flush boards when you know the nuts are in the muck and nobody else does. There is no skill in peeking, it just gives you a secret unfair advantage. It attracts bad karma and makes you dislike yourself for doing it.
how the hell the dealer didnt see that geek looking at the other guys cards, its easy to see him looking
6:48 the chick next to Barry was also looking at his cards lol
Barry is an idiot.
Jeez.. wassup with all this.. it’s almost like everyone was in it together
Doesn’t compare at all to the Postal cheating. One is peaking at someone’s hand that is supposed to be responsible for protecting his cards. The other is text book cheating
Naa b of your leaning over trying to look at cards that's cheating
I understand you have to protect your cards but the hand when the buddy kick him to fold is plain cheating.
@@nhatha7178 , that’s collusion
“It’s easy when you can see their cards” -Mike THEGOD Apostle
MIKE POSTLE... IS A CLOWN.....
@@jonrajsl291 obviously so is this guy looking at the guys cards
When you go out of your way to see your opponents cards then you are absolutely cheating and I don't give a shit what anyone says
Thank you for that. People in the comment section appear to have been abducted by aliens and taken back to the middle age for some fucking reason... If he is 100% ill intentioned (which he is) of course its fucking cheating. That kind of stupid excuse wouldnt stick, and if he was playing against me and i saw that footage i guarantee i would have taken my money back no matter what
Hard to argue with it. Maybe not cheating by the letter of the law, but we all know this is a cheater, at the most base level!
If you defend the leaning in I don’t think you can defend the moving of his opponents glasses to get a better view.
Damn im glad this is happening to cheaters and people are actually catching them now! I love poker and cheating is so fucked up !!!!
Ya i know you're supposed to protect your cards and barry learned an expensive lesson but that guy in pink is an unethical person who i couldn't trust.
YA THINK?
How in the name of God does that dealer let him grab the deck? I dealt in vegas for 7 years on LOW limit tables and would have never allowed that to happen. I know in higher limit games players have more of a leash, but that's just ridiculous. What's more insane is letting him LEAVE THE ROOM with some cards. Then apparently put those same cards back into the deck and keep on dealing??? What in the actual F ??? Absolutely unheard of
After the whole Robbi fiasco where they should have locked down the room and checked everyone for devices immediately, you can see now that security isn’t their strong suit.
I was thinking the same thing...even letting him look through the deck after a hand is outrageous.
For one thing, he could be looking at what other players had to get a clue about how they play.
No one should be allowed to touch any cards except their own, while they are playing those cards, and not after or any other time.
Barry didn't feel this fool breathing on his shoulder??? Man was leaning over so hard. How no one saw it is beyond me.
Well poker bunny sure as fuck wouldn’t, she’s always more worried about getting good camera angles than actually playing poker.
The glasses hide a poker players "tell" but seeing this i worry about the reflection of his cards showing in glass frames, even by putting on the table theres reflection, which is why i thought he was repositioning them, what do you guys think?
".. if you aint cheating, you aint tryna win" 🤣🤣
Even if looking at your opponents cards isn't illegal, just dirty. He still had something going on with the other guy when he kicked him under the table. So that's straight up cheating.
I kind of wish Barry would wait about a year then pay somebody to take a baseball bat to the SkillsRocks' knees. LOL
The commentators definitely saw him peaking those cards. why they didn't say anything just shows they aren't to talk about any form of cheating at this game probably because there is plenty mike pestle shenanigans going on. The only reason they talked about the leg kick is prob because Barry brought it up first. Now I don't think seeing cards in plain view is cheating but if you have to sneakily lean far out of your way to get a peak at somone else's cards than that is for sure 100% cheating.
I'm shocked none of the other players noticed or said anything. Wouldn't that throw the whole game off?
Looking at the players cards might not be considered cheating in the rules but then telling other players to fold by kicking them definitely is
In the old days, there is a way that cheaters were dealt with…we should bring that back.
Your shootin' iron work?
In the old days they would take you out back and bust your kneecaps.
Agreed.
Nothing says "do better" like the last cheater's severed head on a pike!
Wore his hoddie: was sloppy looking at his cards....if a player shows his cards okay....no foul....if a player goes out of his way to view opponents hole cards
F. O. U. L
The guy even has what looks like eyes on his sweatshirt lol.
Cody, good point.
Antonio and his friends seemed always shady. This video just confirms that their videos were all fake. If you cheat on live stream, imagine what they had done behind their cameras. Ever since middle school, people who looked like them tended to be so shady.
I was at a casino once and the guy next to me told me he saw a few of my hands. Very honest man!
Imagine the ppl he didn’t tell… 😂
This kind of unethical cheating does happen in live games. It happened to me once many years ago. The cheater who sat next to me called my all in bluff on the river with a small under pair to a wet board. Everyone on the table wasn't convinced of his play to call with a small under pair and called out his cheating. He didn't mutter a word to defend himself. Fastforward today, this guy is long gone in poker scene. Cheaters like this never go far in their poker career.
Was this like 1959 where bluffing hadn’t been invented yet or something? I recently called a massive river jam with 44 on a KJ977 board against a loose aggro player to my immediate right who donked into my as the PF aggressor, was I cheating? Looking at cards is unethical (not cheating however) but if the only evidence was that he called with an underpair and everyone’s immediate reaction was that he was cheating, I would never want to play at that table and those people shouldn’t play poker.
@@mackwilkins5167 This pot was over $5,000 on $5 - $10 cash game with regular/full time poker players 10 years ago. One of them later became Vegas poker pro with $19 million live tournament cash under his belt.
Everyone on the table was experienced enough to know what had happened from how the cheater preflop aggressively 3-bet from SB into my raise from the bottom position (to isolate) then continued aggressive betting into all high card connected flop, turn, and checked on the river with straight possibility, then called all in with a small under pair.
You may want to adjust your condescending attitude. It won't help you on poker table or in life.
A. Why would it be his fault if you don’t protect your hand? Thats on you boss.
B. You must have imagined this or play with the tightest players ever if you have never had a bluff called.
@@brianroush2642 No comment to your inexperienced opinion.
@@coolpoolshark Except for the fact he's right you fuckin fish
Why are so many poker players absolute creeps? Lifetime ban for that sonovabich and a parking lot meeting
I'd say the parking lot meeting is the higher priority... and depending on how it turns out, maybe lift the lifetime ban while he sips food through a straw for the rest of his life. If this pile of $hit gets away with this unscathed, there is something wrong with the poker community!
Easy Joe Pesci.
He still walked away from the table with 2 of his cards in hand...???🤨🙄. The people running that casino are stupid, guess you can get away with anything there.
Look man , I learned to play in prison and one thing you learn from the door, " protect your cards! " I also got elbows . YOU WILL EAT ONE IF YOU WANT TO GET SLICK !!! 💯 THIS SKILLSROCKS DUDE WOULD OF DEFINITELY GOT ROCKED AND ATE AN ELBOW!!!
Most games and sports- especially poker- are based on taking opportunity of opponent weaknesses. With that being said, if a player is not protecting their cards, I think it is perfectly ethical to take advantage of that.
This is not a charity case or a training session. When you’re playing for live money, it is YOUR responsibility to protect yourself at all times, and no one should get a pass for personal mistakes. That’s the name of the game.
Now as far as the collusion part, THAT is actually legit cheating, because that is an advantage being created that other players do not have the opportunity to exploit, prevent, or have direct control of.
When he grabbed the cards after the hand from the dealer blew my mind that he wasn’t immediately reprimanded!!! Then he proceeded to take a walk and comes back and they don’t change the deck or even say anything!!! 🧠🧨
Naw that cheater was moving Barry's stuff to peek. That's not just catching an unguarded hand, that's straight up looking for it. Even worse when he tried to tip off his buddy.
Both of them should've been tossed right then and there. Their stacks are then split evenly with remaining players at the table.
Dude, the lean over he was doing should've put the flags up for the supervisors.
Also the victim isn't doing a good job of covering and concealing his cards.
Barry Wallace is a true G for saying cool and not even asking for his money back.
If you have ever played in a casino with a bunch of people, you know it is almost impossible to fully hide your cards. If you are intentionally looking at someones cards, in my mind that is definitely cheating and not a legal play.
You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about. Almost impossible to fully hide your cards? Wtf are you talking about
I would have words for him about that chip that hit the lady. He's a chump and that would have needed to be addressed.
Lady??? ummm no
@@aquapony hahaha ya really dude you actually think THATS what a lady is?????
She's probably had bills thrown at her ffs
Too quick to defend shows that the dude is simping
Let's be honest Barry is silly for being so loose. Then the dealer and moderator are stupid for not spotting this blatant cheating.
Barry wasn't loose. Dude was moving his whole torso and readjusting shit on the table to see that cards. There are games where dude would just straight up get his ass beat for that and go home with no money.
@@sleazypolar bro he had to of seen that dude leaning over to see his cards, he definitely should’ve readjusted or move a seat over
Barry is pretty dumb not to notice a guy almost leaning right into you
The other players should also realize it is a disadvantage for them if they let a cheater get away with it.
He will have the chip lead illegitimately and hence be in a far stronger position vs the whole table.
Everyone should have seen that going on, and everyone should have said something.
It's cheeting the moment you move obstacles, in this case the opponent's sunglasses, from obstructing your view of the hole cards.
Honestly catching someone’s hand is one thing. Setting up or leaning to see cards is cheating to me. Cheating is setting up an unfair advantage in any way.
But were they obstructing his chips?
You didn't mention the strangest thing. Skillsrocks picked up all of the cards after the hand was over, looked thru them and took 2 cards out. Then he followed Barry into the next room to show him what he had ( supposedly ) when he folded. Didn't anyone notice him looking thru the cards to find the 2 that would make him look innocent? Why was he allowed to look thru the cards with the controversy still in play? After this happened, he continued to look at Barry's cards. No shame at all.
Imagine taking cards off a blackjack table and then the casino not saying anything and keeping the same deck.
The security guard needed to beat him up for taking the cards away from the table and leaving for a bit.
Bro kicked him so hard that Antonio had the "wtf was that" display. Bringing more attention to it. Scumbag move all around but damn, how aggressive bruh. Dude punted his homie 67yds and he still didn't get the message. In that regard, I don't know that Antonio was aware ahead of time what he was doing and therefore can't say collusion. He was trying to collude but it seems Antonio just got kicked instead. The way he threw his cards down like he had a straight flush tho 🤣 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Im sorry, arent people supposed to hide their cards when they look? I always make sure I hide from all angles, how could this high roller just allow someone to see his cards every single hand?
Still.. spying cards cheats the other 7 players. Its like noticing the shuffler is marking cards and using that advantage without telling anyone. Knowing 2 dead cards every hand provides you with a HUGE advantage, especially on flush boards when you know the nuts are in the muck and nobody else does. There is no skill in peeking, it just gives you a secret unfair advantage. It attracts bad karma and makes you dislike yourself for doing it.
Found this: However, poker is a game where you try to outsmart your opponents. If you’ve warned a player a few times that you can see their cards and nothing changes, you can continue playing. After all, you can’t keep folding for an entire game to accommodate one player. But however often you feel you should warn a player (or fold as a result of seeing their cards) is up to your discretion. It is considered poor poker etiquette to continue playing and exploit their mistake without first notifying them or giving them a chance. The guy got caught being a sleazeball. Now everyone knows not to play with him. That's part of the game as well.
Should have a dress code to those tables: not allow clowns 🤡 with pink suite!!! 😂😂😂😂
Respect for Barry. Even though he didn’t protect enough he still kept half his stack despite playing with his cards face up.
Someone really should’ve come and told him what was going on while they were playing though
I’m sure he was told eventually that night. When you’re dealing with 29m delays it’s difficult though.
@@andrewdrennan9436 I imagine he was told after, but definitely not during or he would’ve covered immediately
what do u expect from a cheap casino they are not a big organization live stream maybe 20-30 viewers
@@1goal1dream39 some Hustler Casino streams pull over a million viewers. Not sure what you’re talking about.
They should've given Barry his money back, yes it was not cheating although for Barry to have been stripped of almost 5k under is outrageous especially because Skills got banned and committed multiple offenses that day #JusticeforBarry
The kick/fold was %100 DEFINITELY CHEATING!!! Signaling other players is 1 MILLION % CHEATING!!!! Can't really say what I really feel about those scum bags!!!
Poor innocent minority couldn't hide his hand
Stop watching hustler casino it's a joke
@@justsomeguy1671 M8 its been four months tf you talkin bout xD
@@FangzDx it's a disgrace to the game
Definitely wouldn't compare this to mike postle who colluded with an insider to get a live feed of stream showing all the other players cards. This was angeling by an unethical player against a player that doesn't protect his cards well enough.
is he STILL alive ?
bro is also wearing the thief starter pack, idk how you're all surprised
Great presentation. However I must admit I was more interested in the playboy bunny at the table, that is until she put her jacket on
I feel like there's a limit to how much you can go out of your way to look at an opponent's cards without it going from just unethical to cheating. If they just lift the cards too much and you look sideways, fine--you're an asshole if you keep doing it, but fine. If you literally crane your neck over their shoulder and move things on the table to catch the cards, you might as well be using a camera or mirror
No, there's a limit how much you go to ethical to unethical. If they just lift the cards too much and you look sideways you're not an asshole. They are literally showing you. Look at the cards and punish these stupid players for playing so defenseless, then they might learn to be careful
Cheating would be using something to be able you to do something you weren't supposed to be able to do. Like using a mirror to see from an angle you wouldn't otherwise see. That's cheating
@@davipenha what if I put my head over the guys shoulder...where do you draw the line...imagine if you were there. What do you think is acceptable. How far leaned over is too far.
Like actually think
I’m on the fence about this “peeking” thing because as much of a scumbag move as it is, it’s up to the players to protect their cards.
It’s the leaning in to peak at the cards I don’t like. How that isn’t seen at the table during the game is mind blowing to me.
So cheating is OK as long as you get away with it? Take a long hard look in the mirror.
its up to the players to not be fuckin cheaters too bud. Exposed cards have to be announced.
@6:36
I look at people when they are looking at their cards. If I can see the cards without trying I definitely look and announce hey bud I can see your cards, you outta cover them up.
Wow, security is slacking at the Hustler Casino.. and this is live streamed game, and none of the commentators speaks up about it?
So, is it cheating if your opponent doesn't hide his cards well?
One of the top rules of poker: "Protect your hand."
I love the whole argument of looking at a player's card that if he isn't protecting it isn't cheating. I seem to remember a little scene from a movie called Casino where you had two guys doing that and the Casino tuned them up for it. But if you say hey that's a movie well then why would a casino ban you after someone says "I think he cheated and looked my cards."
This is what I find funny too. Lots of people saying it's technically not cheating when it is the dictionary definition of cheating "act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination". People act like because he wasn't walked off in handcuffs that he did nothing wrong. It wasn't like Barry accidentally flashed his cards. His method of viewing his cards may have been a little lazy but not completely abnormal. That douchebag was deliberately and conspicuously going out of his way to sneak a peek so much so that he moved barry's glasses for the sole purpose of cheating. Most people expect to be caught when they are obviously glancing at other players cards so they don't do it much less act like an ass when it works out to their benefit. He should never be allowed in another casino because apparently cameras don't even deter this cheater.
It's a scumbag move but it isn't cheating to look at another players cards like this.
It is cheating to send signals to other players (that is collusion). In this instance it was between three players, so it is at the discretion of the casino to ban or not ban player(s). What you talk about in casino is between two players and the casino - this will result in the casino banning both players to say the least.
Most poker rooms will post the rules for that room on an entrance wall, and sometimes around a few places in the room itself. ‘Protect your hand at all times’ is usually prominently displayed there.
Flip side is, most tour rules will have discretionary rules concerning this behavior too and can sometimes remove a player from an event if this happens.
He’s a cheater in my eyes. Even with it not TECHNICALLY being a rule breaker. If he’s going to play that game he should play it straight up and have the confidence in himself to know how to play
He broke like fifty of the unwritten rules. That book is bigger.
Time out question isnt it your job as a player to make sure ur protecting ur cards from being seen as well as from getting folded on you.....
Lol atleast they admit it's not "cheating" dishonest yes 100% but it's also gambling for real money so dudes an idiot for not being more careful with his cards
So if you're (correctly) reporting that "looking at a player's hole cards isn't technically cheating", why is the title of your video labeled "shocking poker cheating..."?
It is your responsibility to guard your cards but Barry did a very reasonable job at that. You guard your cards not expecting you neighbors to lean over your should and move your belongings to get a better view.
If he did a reasonable job, Skills wouldn't have seen his hands every single time. It's not hard to ensure no one sees your hand.
If anybody should be criticized and condemned, it is the dealer and the other players at the table who didn't pick up on what was happening.
I loved a dealer once, she dealed in a table filled with bigshots literally, people who can make a bet worth a million time of both me and her earnings for life, people who, with a flick of a finger, can literally make both of us disappear. Based on the introduction of these people, I think that they are wealthy and powerful people aswell (10-20-20 blinds are not meant for average folks) and it is to her best interest to just not point it out and as a matter of fact, no evidence means he is not guilty, the dealer couldn't possibly said something like "I saw you peaked at his cards 30s ago" which these VIPs might make a big deal out of it and literally get the dealer in trouble instead
@@catbuikhang6482 Fair enough... but that doesn't stop the other players at the table from pointing it out. Him knowing what ONE other player's cards are gives him an advantage over ALL other players. So they should have spotted that and put an end to it, for their own sake.
Still, one of the dealers could have pointed it out to the floor person, after they finished their rotation. The floor person shouldn't have any hesitation to put an end to it, since it destroys the integrity of their casino.
@@cnelsonlv99 yeah well, you are totally right on that point, maybe other players just minding their own business lol
@@catbuikhang6482 Yea but that's why I don't buy that. Like I said... that advantage he gained was costing ALL OTHER PLAYERS money. Poker players won't mind their own business when someone is stealing their money. I'd say they were just not very aware of what was happening at the table.
@@cnelsonlv99 Yes and that is also their mistake that costing them money lol or maybe it's just that they themselves just wanted to enjoy themselves and do not want to raise a fuss