Nice review of a very nice kit. Thanks for the information. Best quote from the video: "I'm not rich, I'm irresponsible. " I think there are a lot of lock pickers who can relate. 🤣😂🤣
Hell yeah man been waiting for this video. I actually got mine a few days ago and have been working on It nonstop. I ended up taking your advice and buying it after you replied to a comment I made about it saying don’t wait and man it was worth it. And I totally agree!!!!
I 100% agree. It’s good stuff for what it is and the price. 10 years ago, we didn’t have stuff like this. People complaining don’t know how lucky they are lol. Thanks for watching!
A lot of the lock picking community doesn't like lpl because how good he is at picking. There are a bunch of people who think he makes it look too easy and it discourages new pickers (hes done more for lock sport than 99.9% of the community) or they think hes a phony. (Which is also laughably false) There is another group that thinks the stuff from ci is too expensive and really only for beginners. Idk 30 bucks to get started is what I paid for a garbage set of picks and the Genesis set is about that and its decent quality. But god forbid someone try to make the hobby accessible for the past decade and make some money while doing it ig.
@@Blake-jl8lh I don’t listen to complaining about their prices because only a poor and unsuccessful loser would say or think that. So their opinion is moot.
@@robdubentnah, I’m poor and unsuccessful and from my research CI has excellent quality, excellent QC, and excellent prices. Especially for beginners that have light pockets or don’t want to make a huge investment in a hobby they aren’t sure they’ll enjoy.
Another nice review and I agree with everything you say about using this system for training. I think CI is continually improving their products. Keep up the good work on producing sensible, informative videos.
I just picked up the Echelon set to go along with my Genesis set. I've gotta get this damn thing now. Wonderful review, just subscribed, keep up the great content man. Hope to see more!!
Yeah, I was told so much conflicting information leading up to this video that basically I was lied to from multiple sources lol. But at the end of the day, it’s a good quality block. It was still made in China, but it was refined, assembled, and finished in California. It’s a good lock.
There are current sales now that have been up for a while, just not on this. I like how it uses known cores common to locksport rather than just generic cores. Would be nice if he offered a discount on the training lock if purchased at the same time as this. One may pay $120 but then another $50 seems steep as it is almost half the price of this. Have you used his square traveler hook and can compare it to the standard round model? I have one of both but not much to use them on.
Thanks for watching, I haven't used the square traveler yet. I have the traveler hook for my companion tool, and the one from the arbiter set. I'll have to try them out and see if theres a difference, but I don't have the round ones yet because I just bought the Sparrows rat hook which is similar. Don't know if I will use it enough to justify purchasing the round one from CI, but I'm happy to have the one from the Arbiter set because it fits in my case and thats more important to me at the moment. But thanks for thinking about that. It's a good question.
Thank you for this, for many of the reasons others have mentioned in the comments here. Once i have built a decent set of picks, a vice, turners, etc., I'll likely get this too as it's a really cool product.
Fantastic review and kudos for owning up to what you saw was a mistake on the CI Practice lock. Why I love watching your channel! Question, what's the name of those pliers that you stated helps straighten out the shims? Per chance would you have a link? Cheers!
Thanks for watching! Those pliers are called "Resurrector Pliers" and they work perfectly on those decoder tools, and it also works on sparrows and peterson decoder shims as well. It's just a good tool for straightening out really thin sheet metal stock. Also, Covert Instruments reached out to me and said their mortise cylinder was actually made in China, but it was assembled, drilled, tapped, and finished by Pacific Lock in California. But I added subtitles to the video to clarify that. Sorry again for the miss information. I'm doing my best. Here is the link to those pliers, they are only $12! covertinstruments.com/collections/bypass-tools/products/resurrector-pliers
Great Vid, thanks, like you I'm getting schooled by 410's, i'm sure that plastic housing doesn't help, need to slay that demon and this might be a way to go
You can do it! Those LOTO locks were kicking my but, never opened one until I worked on these. I then went to a locksport meetup 2 weeks ago and opened a 6 Pin LOTO that they had in under 20 minutes. I'll take that!
Funny part is I saw this when you put it out. And wasn't able to get one. Shortly after I was... but they've been outta stock since then. Just sent them a little ear tug.
So if picking a door or core that is in a padlock it can still have the problem of the driver pins dropping out? - it's not just about these not being in a door or lock body? (haven't ever picked yet - but about to order genesis from CI)
That is correct, casein point, American Lock 1100s, you 100% can drop the driver pins and brick the core. It’s no big deal, he just learned to not over rotate on padlocks, and when you’re doing lockouts or trying to pick a lock, that is a use due to the nature of your job, such as locksmithing, or helping out a friend, you learn to hold those pins up as you rotate the cylinder.
Got ya beat, in the last 6 months I got the .F N.G. set w/training lock, The Arbiter set, THE ECHELON PICK SET, RIV-PICK and COVERT COMPANION TURNING TOOL EXPANSION PACK which I'm going to put together with a key smart key organizer w/led UV Flashlight and USB flash drive for my EDC kit for Cybersecurity.
I'm a Boasian Bill fan too, Along with yourself. As well as Deviant Ollam, Lockpicking Lawyer, LockPick Noob, David Bombial,, and many other YT folk out there!
I have some CI stuff and review it as well. At their last sale I bought a couple things (comb picks and the dimple rake) and I’m not really impressed. The genesis set was by far the best purchase I made from CI, and I like the practice lock as well.
I didn't like the dimple rake either and it seems everything besides the picks and turners are made of a softer metal. I think covert instruments overall is a tremendous value for everyone of all skill levels because of how well everything is made and packaged
Oh wow/shit!!! I had no idea that the guts would still fall out even if the cylinder is inside the lock body still I was about to disable my front door and had no clue 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@mathewringle8444 looks like they took down the old listing. The one with the cylinders for sale with the block. Looks like they’re not selling it anymore. As long as your vice can expand a 2 inches, it’ll hold this. Overall dimensions doesn’t really matter. Just the dimensions of your bench vice.
Dude is clearly a shill for Covert instruments! Kidding. Love the content. Started with Southord, went to Sparrows, stuck on Covert Instruments. I have most of their tools.
Dude, if you know someone that's looking for a shill, tell them I'm available! Because my wife is PISSED that I spend so much money. Also, I like to go full ham on purchases for a few weeks, then play catch up for a month or two paying off my credit cards. It's a terrible habit to get into and I do not suggest it! Thanks for watching!
@sandman_locksport Thankfully, thus far lockpicking has been the cheapest of my hobbies. Jeeps, guns, fishing, all have been much more of me worrying she would sell them for what I told her I paid for them. Thankfully she's not an issue anymore. I'll get in touch with Mr. Person and see if he needs a brand ambassador. Seems like he could use it
@@Curlee187 I agree. That’s kinda what motivated me to do these reviews, I spent 20k in two years on wood working hand tools and people complain about paying $200 for an amazing Lockpick set. I needed to set the record straight and tell people is ok to splurge on great tools. I still spend $400 on a hand tool that only does one job and I haven’t even used it yet. But it’s worth $400 to me. That’s all that matters.
@@Curlee187 you’ll love the Jimy Longs picks. They are the best in the world and I will fight anyone that doesn’t agree with me lol jk. But they really are the best and I can prove it with physics and science.
Why wouldn't it be considered locksport? Maybe I'm out of touch, but I remember when locksport first became a named thing, and it was about... Picking locks. This thing is designed to hold locks while you pick them. It comes with some locks which are meant to be picked. Therefore, I refer whoever to my original question. I don't own this, or any of CI's stuff, but it looks like it would perform it's intended purpose well. In my opinion, one could make their own version out of wood with nothing more than a drill, some standard drill bits, a hole saw, spade bit, hammer and chisel, a set screw for the rim/mortise cylinder, and the ability to drill straight. However, this is already done for you, might last longer (depending on the wood used), no worries about moisture... And, I suppose if you didn't already have any of those tools, you'd probably spend as much or more than the price of entry on even cheap tools. And you'd still have to buy the locks to populate it if you didn't already have those. So, weigh your options, but if you're just starting out, don't have much of anything (or would simply prefer the done-for-you solution), this seems well made, and all considered, not actually too bad of a price. Yes, it's a hefty chunk of change, but the argument could be made that it's an investment. $120 breaks down to $10 a month for a year; could you skip 3 cups of convenience coffee each month for a year? If you're a cigarette smoker, could you smoke 25 fewer cigarettes each month for a year? If you can control yourself in such a fashion, you've got a layaway (or reimbursement) plan.
Nice review of a very nice kit. Thanks for the information.
Best quote from the video: "I'm not rich, I'm irresponsible. " I think there are a lot of lock pickers who can relate. 🤣😂🤣
Haha! Thanks for watching!
Well I didn’t expect to watch a 22 minute video on this product but I sure did. Very comprehensive and well done. Thanks for sharing.
Glad it was helpful! Sorry for any mistakes I made in that video. Thanks for watching!
Hell yeah man been waiting for this video. I actually got mine a few days ago and have been working on It nonstop. I ended up taking your advice and buying it after you replied to a comment I made about it saying don’t wait and man it was worth it. And I totally agree!!!!
Glad I could help! I love mine, I use it all the time as a warm up and as a "humbler" when I'm feeling too cocky! Thanks for watching!
Fantastic review. LPL takes a lot of flack over covert instruments, I think his company is a real value add for new pickers.
I 100% agree. It’s good stuff for what it is and the price. 10 years ago, we didn’t have stuff like this. People complaining don’t know how lucky they are lol. Thanks for watching!
I'm not new and I love my covert instruments
A lot of the lock picking community doesn't like lpl because how good he is at picking. There are a bunch of people who think he makes it look too easy and it discourages new pickers (hes done more for lock sport than 99.9% of the community) or they think hes a phony. (Which is also laughably false)
There is another group that thinks the stuff from ci is too expensive and really only for beginners. Idk 30 bucks to get started is what I paid for a garbage set of picks and the Genesis set is about that and its decent quality. But god forbid someone try to make the hobby accessible for the past decade and make some money while doing it ig.
@@Blake-jl8lh I don’t listen to complaining about their prices because only a poor and unsuccessful loser would say or think that. So their opinion is moot.
@@robdubentnah, I’m poor and unsuccessful and from my research CI has excellent quality, excellent QC, and excellent prices. Especially for beginners that have light pockets or don’t want to make a huge investment in a hobby they aren’t sure they’ll enjoy.
Great video. The trainer finally came back in stock and this convinced me to buy it
Another nice review and I agree with everything you say about using this system for training. I think CI is continually improving their products. Keep up the good work on producing sensible, informative videos.
Thanks for watching Lock Judge!
I just picked up the Echelon set to go along with my Genesis set. I've gotta get this damn thing now. Wonderful review, just subscribed, keep up the great content man. Hope to see more!!
Hey thanks for explaining their pac lock. I wondered why it was priced so expensive. But it's totally worth it then.
Yeah, I was told so much conflicting information leading up to this video that basically I was lied to from multiple sources lol. But at the end of the day, it’s a good quality block. It was still made in China, but it was refined, assembled, and finished in California. It’s a good lock.
There are current sales now that have been up for a while, just not on this. I like how it uses known cores common to locksport rather than just generic cores. Would be nice if he offered a discount on the training lock if purchased at the same time as this. One may pay $120 but then another $50 seems steep as it is almost half the price of this. Have you used his square traveler hook and can compare it to the standard round model? I have one of both but not much to use them on.
Thanks for watching, I haven't used the square traveler yet. I have the traveler hook for my companion tool, and the one from the arbiter set. I'll have to try them out and see if theres a difference, but I don't have the round ones yet because I just bought the Sparrows rat hook which is similar. Don't know if I will use it enough to justify purchasing the round one from CI, but I'm happy to have the one from the Arbiter set because it fits in my case and thats more important to me at the moment. But thanks for thinking about that. It's a good question.
Answered all my questions on this 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thanks for watching!
@@sandman_locksport absolutely my friend
Thank you for this, for many of the reasons others have mentioned in the comments here. Once i have built a decent set of picks, a vice, turners, etc., I'll likely get this too as it's a really cool product.
Fantastic review and kudos for owning up to what you saw was a mistake on the CI Practice lock. Why I love watching your channel! Question, what's the name of those pliers that you stated helps straighten out the shims? Per chance would you have a link? Cheers!
Thanks for watching! Those pliers are called "Resurrector Pliers" and they work perfectly on those decoder tools, and it also works on sparrows and peterson decoder shims as well. It's just a good tool for straightening out really thin sheet metal stock. Also, Covert Instruments reached out to me and said their mortise cylinder was actually made in China, but it was assembled, drilled, tapped, and finished by Pacific Lock in California. But I added subtitles to the video to clarify that. Sorry again for the miss information. I'm doing my best. Here is the link to those pliers, they are only $12!
covertinstruments.com/collections/bypass-tools/products/resurrector-pliers
Great vid man. I also got the trainer an the practice lock. I'm definitely enjoying it. Sc4 is great but I love using the Sc20 lishi for that lock.
Right on! I'll have to try the SC20 per your suggestion! Thanks for watching!
Great Vid, thanks, like you I'm getting schooled by 410's, i'm sure that plastic housing doesn't help, need to slay that demon and this might be a way to go
You can do it! Those LOTO locks were kicking my but, never opened one until I worked on these. I then went to a locksport meetup 2 weeks ago and opened a 6 Pin LOTO that they had in under 20 minutes. I'll take that!
Funny part is I saw this when you put it out. And wasn't able to get one. Shortly after I was... but they've been outta stock since then. Just sent them a little ear tug.
So if picking a door or core that is in a padlock it can still have the problem of the driver pins dropping out? - it's not just about these not being in a door or lock body? (haven't ever picked yet - but about to order genesis from CI)
That is correct, casein point, American Lock 1100s, you 100% can drop the driver pins and brick the core. It’s no big deal, he just learned to not over rotate on padlocks, and when you’re doing lockouts or trying to pick a lock, that is a use due to the nature of your job, such as locksmithing, or helping out a friend, you learn to hold those pins up as you rotate the cylinder.
@@sandman_locksport awesome! thanks for the info! really appreciate it! also thanks for all the great content you're putting out!
I got the boss's ok to purchase a couple items from Covert Instruments, so ten it is!
Got ya beat, in the last 6 months I got the .F N.G. set w/training lock, The Arbiter set, THE ECHELON PICK SET, RIV-PICK and COVERT COMPANION TURNING TOOL EXPANSION PACK which I'm going to put together with a key smart key organizer w/led UV Flashlight and USB flash drive for my EDC kit for Cybersecurity.
Nice! I got you beat, I own everything!
I'm a Boasian Bill fan too, Along with yourself. As well as Deviant Ollam, Lockpicking Lawyer, LockPick Noob, David Bombial,, and many other YT folk out there!
I have some CI stuff and review it as well. At their last sale I bought a couple things (comb picks and the dimple rake) and I’m not really impressed. The genesis set was by far the best purchase I made from CI, and I like the practice lock as well.
I'm glad you like the Genesis set, sorry the other tools didn't work out for you. Keep collecting and keep picking! Thanks for watching!
I didn't like the dimple rake either and it seems everything besides the picks and turners are made of a softer metal. I think covert instruments overall is a tremendous value for everyone of all skill levels because of how well everything is made and packaged
Oh wow/shit!!! I had no idea that the guts would still fall out even if the cylinder is inside the lock body still I was about to disable my front door and had no clue 😂😂😂😂😂😂
What are the length and width of this beast?
Sizes are in the product description on the website. Google is your friend.
@@sandman_locksport Looked, didn't see it. Thanks though.
@@mathewringle8444 looks like they took down the old listing. The one with the cylinders for sale with the block. Looks like they’re not selling it anymore. As long as your vice can expand a 2 inches, it’ll hold this. Overall dimensions doesn’t really matter. Just the dimensions of your bench vice.
@@sandman_locksport I'm actually wondering if I can put it in an ammo can on top of my other locks and sets...or if it's too wide/long.
The .50 cal of GREATNESS!!!
Dude is clearly a shill for Covert instruments!
Kidding. Love the content. Started with Southord, went to Sparrows, stuck on Covert Instruments. I have most of their tools.
Dude, if you know someone that's looking for a shill, tell them I'm available! Because my wife is PISSED that I spend so much money. Also, I like to go full ham on purchases for a few weeks, then play catch up for a month or two paying off my credit cards. It's a terrible habit to get into and I do not suggest it! Thanks for watching!
@sandman_locksport Thankfully, thus far lockpicking has been the cheapest of my hobbies. Jeeps, guns, fishing, all have been much more of me worrying she would sell them for what I told her I paid for them. Thankfully she's not an issue anymore.
I'll get in touch with Mr. Person and see if he needs a brand ambassador. Seems like he could use it
@@sandman_locksport And now I just made an order of Jimmy Longs picks.
@@Curlee187 I agree. That’s kinda what motivated me to do these reviews, I spent 20k in two years on wood working hand tools and people complain about paying $200 for an amazing Lockpick set. I needed to set the record straight and tell people is ok to splurge on great tools. I still spend $400 on a hand tool that only does one job and I haven’t even used it yet. But it’s worth $400 to me. That’s all that matters.
@@Curlee187 you’ll love the Jimy Longs picks. They are the best in the world and I will fight anyone that doesn’t agree with me lol jk. But they really are the best and I can prove it with physics and science.
This is so helpful.
Why wouldn't it be considered locksport? Maybe I'm out of touch, but I remember when locksport first became a named thing, and it was about... Picking locks. This thing is designed to hold locks while you pick them. It comes with some locks which are meant to be picked. Therefore, I refer whoever to my original question.
I don't own this, or any of CI's stuff, but it looks like it would perform it's intended purpose well. In my opinion, one could make their own version out of wood with nothing more than a drill, some standard drill bits, a hole saw, spade bit, hammer and chisel, a set screw for the rim/mortise cylinder, and the ability to drill straight. However, this is already done for you, might last longer (depending on the wood used), no worries about moisture... And, I suppose if you didn't already have any of those tools, you'd probably spend as much or more than the price of entry on even cheap tools. And you'd still have to buy the locks to populate it if you didn't already have those.
So, weigh your options, but if you're just starting out, don't have much of anything (or would simply prefer the done-for-you solution), this seems well made, and all considered, not actually too bad of a price. Yes, it's a hefty chunk of change, but the argument could be made that it's an investment. $120 breaks down to $10 a month for a year; could you skip 3 cups of convenience coffee each month for a year? If you're a cigarette smoker, could you smoke 25 fewer cigarettes each month for a year? If you can control yourself in such a fashion, you've got a layaway (or reimbursement) plan.
Harbor Freight Central Machinery 2.75" Articulated Vacuum Base Vise $19.99 fit my purpose nicely
My next investment.
P. S. I'm broke too!
“… and I’m not rich. I’m not rich, I’m irresponsible.”
🤷🏻♂️😂
@@sandman_locksport makes me want to hop back on there and buy a cut out