I have toyota prius hybrid, I get 450 miles range on one tank, highest EV tesla plaid is 420 miles range on one charge, prius is still better, hybrids and plug in hybrids still make sense, tesla does not make any sense
This past winter in Illinois totally turned me off for an EV. Cars were dying in subzero weather because the batteries were freezing and lines for charging were an hour plus wait then another 45 minutes to charge ABSOLUTELY NO THANK YOU!!!!!
Same for hybrids. Paramedics were being electrocuted trying to save people from hybrids. That's why they had to make a law to have more clear markings on hybrids, like toyotas blue emblem. And still, it will take them longer to save you from one.
I'm not against EVs at all, I've owned two Teslas (never again), but what I am against is mandates and not giving people choice. Let the customer choose, gas, hybrid, hydrogen, or EV. Let the free market decide without taxpayer subsidies or incentives.
So you had 2 Teslas, but are not going to buy them again? Wouldn't you have come to that decision with the 1st Tesla? Just curious what made you change your mind on Tesla.
I currently own one. I think they are awesome for daily drivers....super smooth. I wouldn't buy one if I had to charge at superchargers on a regular basis. (I only drive like 50-100 miles per day). But yes, I HATE government mandates....definitely a negative in my book:(
Exactly This. 40-60 miles of range is entirely sufficient for the majority of commuting and around-town driving. Then you have infinite range after that.
@@sarapent28 The same weight argument applies to battery too, but on a much larger scale. The majority of the time you're just driving around with 1,500+ lbs of excess luggage. The PHEV just does it better.
@@sarapent28so it sounds like that's a problem for lazy people. For the rest of the people who aren't lazy and will plug in the hybrid, it makes sense.
I'll keep saying it, when something is government pushed it never goes well. I agree we should have emission standards but the EV mandates were ridiculous.
No! No emissions standards! Let the market and the American people decide what they want to drive instead of the bureaucratic EPA that has an anti-business agenda! This is just another example of the government killing businesses and forcing companies to layoff workers. This is exactly why cats are made in Mexico and their parts. The EPA gutted the rust belt.
@@theredwedge9446 yes indeed but the worst is that mining for batteries is polluting shitloads, plus 80% of the mines are under the chinese communist party's control which makes for an even bigger problem
@@InternetDude I know. I been subscribed to you for forever now lol. Some people have it better than others but the real world issues especially in the cold cannot be hidden. Plus they are extremely expensive out of warranty. I didn’t care for mine. Hows that Prime doing?
@@mike_wellington_ It's been great. The dealer got a '24 Prime XSE in stock in January so we traded our '21 in for a new '24. They were happy they made money on our trade and the new vehicle and we got new with full warranty again, new instrument cluster screen, better quality backup cam, etc. R4P is such an amazing overall vehicle.
I mean...the same can be said of subsidizing crude oil. We need to talk about solutions at 15:00 as adults, not just jab at each other. We all love cars but cmon. The compliance cars exist because the emissions standards are increasing higher and higher. Because of costs, we see less and less repairable cars, leading to insurers easily declaring total loss.
@@terrancecloverfield6791 ok well there are other ways of meeting emissions standards.... And I honestly the governments need to stop being so radical in instituting them. They are essentially imposing a massive tax on the average man to try and keep up with arbitrary standards. There's no scientific evidence of global warming... And if we want a cleaner environment we need to stop cutting down trees at such a high rate. Trees clean the air. On top of the fact that electric vehicles are also awful for the environment when you consider the waste they will produce and the hazardous conditions to mine the components for the batteries.
EVs are too tethered. A horse had to stop to rest and eat, when the Model T came along rural farmers could come to town whenever they wanted. Horses had to be left at a livery stable - a hitching post was short-term , a livery station is like a charging station. The average person couldn't afford a horse, they walked or took an urban street car. A wealthy home owner had a carriage house and a hay dealer delivered hay for the horses - very costly. Look at the narrow 1920 garages - built for a Model T - not a horse. The bicycle was expensive at first but it offered freedom to go places. Bikes weren't originally for kids - too costly. A bike can be good local alternative to an EV. A folding bike can be carried inside a commuter bus and placed beside an office worker's desk so it can't be stolen. An e-bike can have 30 mile range but an office might prohibit batteries inside
There is no cooling. There was never a large market in the first place. And with the possible new administration saying, "drill baby drill", the market will drop to beat zero along with all infrastructure required. Hybrid technology is currently the best alternative. Battery technology is not ready. If everyone drove a reasonable size hybrid car, fuel consumption would drop by 2/3rds and fuel prices would go below $1.
Those 4 manufacturers are producing overpriced EVs, no wonder they are forced to scale back. When Tesla can profitably manufacture and sell Model Y suvs then, except for the few die hard MB, BMW, Mini and Audi fans, people will buy Teslas that have better software interfaces, more storage space, a great charging network, longer ranges with smaller batteries and cost less. Legacy automakers will keep on struggling to make their EV lines profitable.
EPA may lose its teeth (due to recent Supreme Court findings). If "requirements" by the EPA evaporate, the landscape for EV's, PHEV's, hybrids, and Ice may cause a wild west show for OEM's. This will be fun to watch.
It’s weird the governments want us to jump to EVs, skipping over Hybrids and PHEVs. EV tech just isn’t there to make it viable for every type of cars, I’m all environments and uses (cold weather, off reading, trucks, etc.). Companies and the gov should focus and optimizing hybrids, then PHEVs, then EVs, also for those hybrids take the pressure off emissions and junk so we can get some sweet V6 hybrids sedans (ideally wagons and sport backs.
Hey guys, let’s create an electric car that has lousy range, a poor charging network and costs 15000 more than its gas counterpart. Whoever had that idea should be fired.
Toyota is standing there looking at the other brands with a grin on their face like “I told y’all 💪🏽😏” But yeah, they got to get their 💩 together with their truck line up
My biggest issue with EV's is charging even for everyday commuting as an apartment dweller, the infrastructure is also very weak in my area. Even a Tesla superchargers there's only 2 in a 30 radius and my closest one is over 10 miles away and the same from my job. They are perfect for a retired person or someone who lives in town and doesn't road trip much or has a gas vehicle they can take. The latter is most common in my area since they may have multiple children and need a larger gas vehicle still.
Thanks for the news Kirk. Sad to hear. I leased a BZ4X two months ago and just purchased a 2024 Venza. Your review helped a lot on choosing the Venza XLE trim. I have had a Camry Hybrid for over 10 years and a Prius for 7. The BZ4X is the smoothest car I’ve ever driven and makes the Venza so clunky. EVs are coming and the future, but more slowly than anticipated. Not too surprising as the world, especially US, were so slow to adopt hybrids too
EV’s were never going to work fully. Range and charging, batteries are expensive since to replace, batteries are volatile. There needs to be a clean energy alternative that isn’t limiting like battery electric.
I 100% prefer gas; however, my issue with EV’s isn’t simply “I hate all things electric.” I hate the lack of creativity/variation with electrified vehicles today. It seems to be either “let’s see just how ridiculously fast we can make this” or “let’s build a boring efficient soulless appliance.” Of course there are some middle ground options and my knowledge may be limited, but I miss when things like the V6 Accord Hybrid and CR-Z were produced. I guess the closest would be the Hybrids that Kia/Hyundai made that still used conventional automatics.
The rest of the car is important. You're right, they take the soul out of the car with not only removing the ICE power plant but also sterilizing the inside of the car to the point it feels like a doctors office. Who wants to spend 1000's of hours in a doctors office?
We control the market, yes us common folks. Use your money as a vote, don’t spend it where you don’t like and voice your thoughts and change peoples minds!
I think the nearest thing to a "green" future in the next 2 decades is biofuels, like ethanol and bio-diesel. Maybe in the future we'll move to hydrogen, but if governments want to push the whole idea of "green vehicles", then renewable fuel is the future
We have already gone thru this phase of biofuels, two decades ago. Growing fuels doesn't work, it takes more energy to grow fuel than energy the grown fuel produces. For example, 10units of energy was used to produce 8units of energy. The reason why it was even workable to begin with is subsidies. All the eco folks that were doing biodiesel then have all abandoned that and moved over to EVs. EVs is still the future but is still currently limited with batteries. Once battery gets better is when EVs will be come mainstream.
@@DaBinChe "moved over to EVs" while clearly everyone is moving away from EVs because it's not the future or sustainable. There is an insanely limited amount of materials for batteries, even just Lithium if you ignore the rest, and less than 5% of Lithium batteries are recycled world wide. If we keep the 5%, then we have maybe 2 decades of Lithium. If we recycle all of it, then we have until the 2090s, but we will run through the world wide supply by the end of the century because materials can only be reused so many times before its life is used. EVs are a temporary future, which is why I did say "maybe in the future we'll move to hydrogen." Biofuels are a possible short term future to make governments feel like they did something special in their utter failure of forcing EVs world wide
@@ezioahmet4192 biofuel folks were a fringe there are WAY more EV users than bio fuel user ever was so calling EV a fringe would be calling biofuel an anomaly. Who says we will be stuck on Lithium forever??? As I said batteries are limited now and that is the hold up to wide EV adoption, once batteries tech gets better it'll be EV all the way. Same thing was said with the horse less carriage when it first came out, most folks at the time did not see it replacing horses, look at us now. You have the same mentality as those folks about their horses. The ICE took time to develop so will batteries for EVs. Speaking of limited resources, there is also a limited amount of oil so we have to move away from it sooner or later. Hydrogen just like biofuel requires more energy to produce than energy it generates. Oil works cause it generates more energy than it takes to produce. One reason why battery EVs are so good is that it is 90+% efficient compared to ICE only being 30ish% efficient. There is minimal lost thru heat with battery EVs unlike ICE where most of the energy is lost as heat. To be able to be sustainable we need better efficiency and this is where EVs come in.
Yeah, the manufacturers WANT 80% EV sales by 2035. Hey, manufacturers, I don't care what you want. Did you ever think of consulting US ,,, YOUR CUSTOMERS?? How about considering what WE want? I just bought an ice Toyota so it will be 2 or 3 decades before I consider another car.
A Yaris for me. The long-term reliability and simplicity of Yaris beats any potential hybrid savings. Toyota no longer sells Yaris in U.S., but a used Yaris beats any new EV in long-term reliability. If EV batteries were the size of weekend luggage and the same for different vehicles and very reliable used then a beater EV market could evolve. Most Americans buy used cars because gasoline cars can last 20+ years
I've been through two disruptions in different markets - and what we see in automotive is typical for disruptions: the new tech doesn't reach the expected sales/profits resulting in uncertainties, some manufacturers falling back to the old tech with investments to hybrids and ICEs. Meanwhile, an increasing number of large cities will curb ICE&hybrids from entering the cities limits or centers to protect people from toxic fumes. Last one joining is Stockholm. Who will buy a vehicle which won't be allowed driving where you want to go? For Europe, I predict a 70-80% share of EVs with new registrations in 2030, despite all the hesitation by the manufacturers.
Look, the poor quality of public DC chargers has become a huge problem. Now you wonder if Nissan has decided to delay the phaseout of the current Sentra and Versa (neé Almera) models and instead put in new engines into both models to extend their usable sales life until at least 2030.
@@nehtals Until takes more than and hour to recharge for maybe 400 miles in EV.. an most of them use electricity made by fosil fuel. So we're ready my friend
Please show a chart or graph of how EV sales have have changed month to month or quarter to quarter. Too many media say ev sales are "slowing" when they are actually growing. Just not growing as fast as in the past.
Exactly new car sales are down for all cars, but actual real factual numbers show EV's sales are up year over year...but nobody here wants to acknowledge that...
After experiencing 120° in Las Vegas, crushing the old record by a mile and the hottest July in History. I'm leaving for a cooler climate in 2 weeks, but others might not be able to just pull up stakes. I believe and have for a long time that HYBRID is the way to go. When bloggers are all doing 0-60 on every other site, people are programmed that acceleration is the primary metric. We need to judge cars for handling, not just speed.
In order to have EV supersede ICE, fix these Physics and Finance problem first: 1. Supercharge station in all kinds of existing gas station under 30 min (ie. no need to wait in line) 2. Quick charge at 110V home from 0% - 80% in under 2 hours. 3. Electric bill will not skyrocket and ALL families will get gov subsides 4. $25k base trim price point and $35k for top trim for Sedan (No BS monthly subscription needed). 5. At minimum 380 miles range whereas weather and AC usage will never affect the range 6. Battery can last at least 10-12 years and battery replacement cost cannot be above $5k.
Look I'm not an EV fan boy, but the reason the huge losses are happening with EVs is simple. Developing an entirely new propulsion system and platform requires huge investments. To recoup that you need to spread it out over as many vehicles as you can. Ford didn't do that. GM has been way too slow rolling out Ultium. Then we had an artificial price spikes during COVID. Those EVs that came out then were way overpriced but their true value remains way less. Why wasn't Hyundai Kia mentioned in this piece? Because they created a platform to be used across several models and instead of one car on its unique platform, you 5 or 6. Economies of scale. I hate Musk as much as the next guy but the fact is Tesla sells more vehicles than Mercedes and BMW combined. This is no different than when Ford and GM tried to go diesel in the 80s. They hype it up, there's initially interest, it dies down but there remains a solid albeit smaller market for the unique powertrain. We are car guys, there is no plot afoot. The ZR1 has 1000 HP V8. The Mustang has a 500HP V8. BEVs are great for a specific market. If that's not you buy what you want.
A lot of issues with BEV is the limitations created by batteries (cost, weight, charging time and by corollary to that design to get range due to cost, weight and charging time). Toyota/Lexus strategy/prediction is predicated on that having a change due to solid state batteries reaching vehicles. I think it's right if they were right about the arrival of such a tech however historical this sort of disruption, while inevitable, takes much longer to materialize (think LEDs: blue LED were discovered in the mid 1990's, OLED in the late 1990's but widespread adoption of LED backlighting not until a decade later, similar with signal lights, OLED displays only in the last 5 years, we are still going through the transition to LED lighting. So wha should have taken 5 years in paper took about 25. Expect something similar with SSB.
Should range double or triple, charging time and an assortment of charging infrastructure must become ubiquitous for ev's to be accepted by the majority of the market. Who wants to buy a car that can't be driven when and where we want it to?
I won’t buy an EV, I lease them. I don’t drive an EV because the government tells me I should. I don’t drive an EV to save the planet or make a political statement. I don’t drive an EV to save money on fuel. My insurance rates are the same for a comparably priced ice vehicle. I drive an EV because I like driving a quiet car with instant torque. I like driving an EV so I wake up to a full “tank” every morning. I like not having to stand in kitty litter because someone overfilled their tank. I like not having my hands smell like gasoline. I like not having to worry about my credit card getting skimmed. I like not having to go inside to get my receipt when the “see cashier for receipt” pops up on the screen. EV’s are not for everyone. We take my wife’s ice vehicle if we are going somewhere that would require me to DC fast-charge more than twice. If you want to drive a diesel F-250, with dual exhaust stacks coming up through the bed, while riding on a 12” lift, enjoy it. Some people drive an EV simply because they like to.
Misrepresentation: there is not EV mandates , they are emission mandates. As long as the EV products compared to Tesla and Lucid are consuming 20% more then what "traditional" car makers are offering they are not competitive. Yes overall market impact from the high interest rates cannot be neglected. Overall sales are down.
@vancity2349 how many Teslas made it to 1 million miles and in what amount of time? you can't really slow down the natural way that batteries degrade over time, so if you get 1 million miles as fast as possible, its not the same as a 20 year old engine still starting. Lets see a 20 year old battery start
@@NormalCleanCars Not many but they are there which the haters wont acknowledge. Average miles driver per year in the US is 14,263. 200,000 miles equates to approx 14yrs. So that battery degradation works out too 0.86% per year for 14 yrs which is incredible. Props to Tesla for amazing engineering.
Because at the end of the day, most people don't charge them and only put gas in them and drive them like gas vehicles, which just means they are heavier, less efficient ICE vehicles.
Moral choice? I think not. The brain-washed sheep choice more like. Future generations will look back and laugh at how we stupid people drank the Cool-Aid, believing this anti-carbon 'global heating' nonsense and so sealed the fate of the western '1st world' empire - actually accelerating the destruction of our economies and standard of living. Great job people 👏
I continue to enjoy your content. Very balanced, very fair. Its easy to dunk on EVs right now and rightly so. But the naunce with hybrids and the suefsce leval global market at play in China and the US does make me pick a side, it makes me want to ask questions and learn more. And as I learn more, I enjoy this hobby more, regardless of powertrains.
I have a beloved 2018 Audi S6 that is approaching 75K miles. Most enjoyable (and most expensive to maintain) car I have owned, and at 72, that is a bunch. It is getting up there in the danger zone for accelerating expenses and sadly there is nothing on the market that I think I would enjoy as much that I could commit the dollars to. Will be looking forward to your review of the awesome S8. There must be enough oil company executives, software engineers, etc. that can handle spending $150K on a car.
I literally bought a 2024 Camry, just because the 2025 Camry were all hybrids. Nothing against hubrids, but i wanted to hear and feel the gas engine and gears shift...not that fake humming sound. 😊
The problem IMO is that people want an EV (or any car, really) to be reliable (Tesla isn't), affordable, quicker and easier to charge and insurable. Once some of these problems are solved, there will be greater adoption. But the only way there is through the problems. And given the option, most companies wont until theyre forced by market conditions. Well, guess who's working on these problems?... the chinese.
PHEV. Most Americans drive far less (per day) than present batteries offer in the way of power....30-40 miles.....Avoid filling up more than once a month or even a quarter! Its time. Produce FAR more phev's. Americans will buy them.
I love my 2024 Subaru SOLTERRA. Range is great for my daily 200miles. It has been averaging 4.3 miles per kWh. After 4,000 miles my range has been consistently 274miles. I charge it overnight in my garage. I was out camping and then a storm with torrential rain, small hail and lightning hit. Only way out was downhill in mud with rapidly moving water and “Cosmo” my 2024 SOLTERRA laughed at the little storm and got me out with ease. I also have a 1991 na Miata with a removable hardtop, 5speed manual, lsd and it’s a blast to drive around Colorado mountain roads. So I would like both options please.
I think what happens is that CEOs want to keep their stock values high. These EV claims were probably first made when EVs were in fashion. But I don't think the CEOs ever intended to do it. The first chance they get to announce they are backtracking, and their stock won't go down, they do it. But they never were in the first place. The real problem for these companies is that China can make EVs. And they can take over a lot of countries with cheap EVs. In my opinion, Toyota and others should get serious about EVs since they won't be able to hide behind tariff walls in Europe and the U.S. forever. They are already feeling the sting from EVs in other places. The worst thing they can do is to build a gas, hybrid, and BEV option, since putting batteries in an ICE car will not compete against China who are building from the ground up EVs.
New tech always has hiccups, but auto sales have been down across the board, so why focus on one segment? Anyway, EVs have gotten progressively better, and will continue to do so. You can't say that about ICE, the tech is too mature to do much more, and hibrids are more ICE than EV. I remember people saying that they would NEVER buy a cell phone, then they would NEVER buy a smart phone. Yeah.... right. What is going on now, is mainly that serious EV manufacturer wannabes are starting to see what they will have to compete with (much of which is now made in China) and so they are re-tooling to be able to do so. They have not "given up" on EVs at all.
Well I do agree that the electric vehicle infrastructure and current offerings does need to upgrade in quality and come down in price, I find it hard to believe that it's all entirely costs related when I'm seeing people willing to plop down $80,000 on a brand new diesel pickup truck, or 40 to 50 Grand on a brand new Challenger or charger. What that tells me is that a lot of people don't give two shits about the repercussions of their actions, and don't take the global warming situation seriously..... Until it affects them personally, in which then they'll blame it on the government for "not warning them enough". In short, the consumer wants to have its cake and fuck it too. And in the event any consequences come up in the end, they want to run and cry and play victim, while demanding that someone else do something to fix the situation in an unrealistic way after it's already weird its ugly head.
Imagine buying a car that costs significantly more to purchase and insure while getting less range with an energy source far less dependable and worse for the environment and then calling that progress. All in the name of fixing an environmental issue that doesn’t actually exist. Thats a perfect democrat lie.
Wish you'd also add some thoughts on other markets and the implication (Europe, Asia) I am from Europe and not everyone here really wants to go towards EV, but as you said the regulation force them down our throat, but there seems to be some resistance coming up. maybe the ICE ban will be postponed....
11:22 "VW wants to invest in more PHEVs" - THEN WHERE'S THAT AWESOME GOLF GTE IN THE STATES? We need to lobby Congress to allow us to import whatever we want **as long as it's not sold here by the manufacturer** to keep it fair to dealers and so people that won't ever own a SUV or pickup truck has a wider choice in decent small vehicles without waiting their whole lives to import one.
Hybrid and E-Power should be the way forward. Forget about EV for now. I don't know why Nissan USA is sleeping on themselves with E-Power. At least the 2025 Kicks should have been E-Power.
It's economies of scale leading to a competitive price. Charge +$29k for the same sized vehicle, and the juice isn't worth the sqeeze. Get the price below ICE cars, and a lot more people will sign on the dotted line.
Solar panels and a type of vehicle you can charge is on average a very good idea for people that don't drive a lot. But seen as the things they have to do for the batteries and those vehicles burning and a 100 more points. Not sure its good to have them on mass on the road. Best do hybrid, hydrogen or something new.
EVs should compete with other cars on their own merits. Manufacturers are making half hearted poorly designed vehicles that happen to be electric. If electric is the future then companies that refuse to make them will lose the market. Let the market decide what is best or it will bite you.
I would buy a hybrid 10 out of 10 times over a full EV
I just did. A Camry hybrid
Akio toyoda is correct after all 😅
Yeah..but these fools was too blind to see …🤦🏾♂️them & this bull 💩EVs
Soooo government telling automakers what people need is not the answer!?!? Who would have thought!?
Reagan was right about this - The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help
Ex-VAX-ly. Mandates are concerning. My car body, my choice. Government should not be the largest employer.
So.... Toyota was right all along.
I have toyota prius hybrid, I get 450 miles range on one tank, highest EV tesla plaid is 420 miles range on one charge, prius is still better, hybrids and plug in hybrids still make sense, tesla does not make any sense
@@manjotsandhu9539 tesla plaid gets nowhere near that range 😂
@lexman8678 dude I know it's not nowhere near that, even I m not fan of tesla, 420 if it's plugged in and charging, but driving range is around 370
@manjotsandhu9539 considering most people floor it in those they would only be about 40 miles lol
@@lexman8678EV is still the future.
Battery cost 30-40% of the car prices, if your battery is dead you can't sell it, you can't use it. It's just not interesting
And Toyota is replacing over 102,000 to-date engines as a cost of $30,000
@@vancity2349 Yeah, don't buy the first year of a new thing. Welcome to 1920.
So why do you assume the battery will fail? Less than 2% of ev batteries have had to be replaced.
@@DeadAir21 And how many of the EVs counted in your data point are over 10 years old? I'm gonna guess it's roughly 2% right?
NEVER selling my RC350. Beautiful AWD coupe with great resale value and a buttery smooth V6. One of the most reliable powertrains on planet earth too
Facts
This past winter in Illinois totally turned me off for an EV. Cars were dying in subzero weather because the batteries were freezing and lines for charging were an hour plus wait then another 45 minutes to charge ABSOLUTELY NO THANK YOU!!!!!
Were you there
@@jngobngoyes. And so was I.
The fact that it’s hard to put out EV battery fire alone is absolutely no no.
Same for hybrids. Paramedics were being electrocuted trying to save people from hybrids. That's why they had to make a law to have more clear markings on hybrids, like toyotas blue emblem. And still, it will take them longer to save you from one.
I'm not against EVs at all, I've owned two Teslas (never again), but what I am against is mandates and not giving people choice. Let the customer choose, gas, hybrid, hydrogen, or EV. Let the free market decide without taxpayer subsidies or incentives.
So you had 2 Teslas, but are not going to buy them again? Wouldn't you have come to that decision with the 1st Tesla? Just curious what made you change your mind on Tesla.
@@byhsu6140 probably for a business
I currently own one. I think they are awesome for daily drivers....super smooth. I wouldn't buy one if I had to charge at superchargers on a regular basis. (I only drive like 50-100 miles per day). But yes, I HATE government mandates....definitely a negative in my book:(
Do people choose to breath their toxic emissions which make us sick and kill us?
There is no MANDATE. Please explain to what you are talking about. Supply documentation if it exists.
Plug-in Hybrid with more range, that's the solution, no more battery, no problem you still got the combustion motor.
Exactly This. 40-60 miles of range is entirely sufficient for the majority of commuting and around-town driving. Then you have infinite range after that.
@@sarapent28 The same weight argument applies to battery too, but on a much larger scale. The majority of the time you're just driving around with 1,500+ lbs of excess luggage. The PHEV just does it better.
@@sarapent28so it sounds like that's a problem for lazy people. For the rest of the people who aren't lazy and will plug in the hybrid, it makes sense.
@@sarapent28 Toyota already have a partnership with BYD in Chinese.
I'll keep saying it, when something is government pushed it never goes well. I agree we should have emission standards but the EV mandates were ridiculous.
No! No emissions standards! Let the market and the American people decide what they want to drive instead of the bureaucratic EPA that has an anti-business agenda! This is just another example of the government killing businesses and forcing companies to layoff workers. This is exactly why cats are made in Mexico and their parts. The EPA gutted the rust belt.
It’s called a GSE, government sponsored enterprise, they almost always fail.
@@billurban1581 Whatever you want to call it, its bad.
oh my you're so insightful 😂 nobody else said that
What mandates are you talking about?
No one wants to wait around to charge
But....that new battery technology is right around the next corner. Right?
EV cars are also complete nonsense, these batteries...
@@johneddys2351 Is that literal or no ? Honestly I see the future being Hybrids or eco friendly fuels for internal combustion engines.
@@klotzalexandre9249 batteries are still so primitive.
@@theredwedge9446 yes indeed but the worst is that mining for batteries is polluting shitloads, plus 80% of the mines are under the chinese communist party's control which makes for an even bigger problem
I told everyone 5 years ago that people would revert back to gas. Nobody believed me.
-Former Model S owner.
I drove Model S from 2015 to 2021. Now we have RAV4 Prime and Lexus ES hybrid. Zero regrets.
@@InternetDude I know. I been subscribed to you for forever now lol. Some people have it better than others but the real world issues especially in the cold cannot be hidden. Plus they are extremely expensive out of warranty. I didn’t care for mine.
Hows that Prime doing?
@@mike_wellington_ It's been great. The dealer got a '24 Prime XSE in stock in January so we traded our '21 in for a new '24. They were happy they made money on our trade and the new vehicle and we got new with full warranty again, new instrument cluster screen, better quality backup cam, etc. R4P is such an amazing overall vehicle.
@@mike_wellington_ Once Lexus comes out with an ES PHEV I will buy one in a heartbeat.
Only 20 k miles on my y p, but easily the safest, fastest, most inexpensive, I've ever owned,
Imagine how bad the numbers would be if the government wasn't subsidizing the price of EV's.....
I mean...the same can be said of subsidizing crude oil. We need to talk about solutions at 15:00 as adults, not just jab at each other. We all love cars but cmon. The compliance cars exist because the emissions standards are increasing higher and higher. Because of costs, we see less and less repairable cars, leading to insurers easily declaring total loss.
@@terrancecloverfield6791 ok well there are other ways of meeting emissions standards.... And I honestly the governments need to stop being so radical in instituting them. They are essentially imposing a massive tax on the average man to try and keep up with arbitrary standards.
There's no scientific evidence of global warming... And if we want a cleaner environment we need to stop cutting down trees at such a high rate. Trees clean the air. On top of the fact that electric vehicles are also awful for the environment when you consider the waste they will produce and the hazardous conditions to mine the components for the batteries.
This is nothing surprising because nobody in his or her right mind expected everybody will drive only limited and expensive vacuum cleaners.
Then why the tariffs on BYDs or MGs?
EV's Are Nothing but a Fad in the Automotive industry 😮😅😢😎
EVs are too tethered. A horse had to stop to rest and eat, when the Model T came along rural farmers could come to town whenever they wanted. Horses had to be left at a livery stable - a hitching post was short-term , a livery station is like a charging station. The average person couldn't afford a horse, they walked or took an urban street car. A wealthy home owner had a carriage house and a hay dealer delivered hay for the horses - very costly. Look at the narrow 1920 garages - built for a Model T - not a horse. The bicycle was expensive at first but it offered freedom to go places. Bikes weren't originally for kids - too costly. A bike can be good local alternative to an EV. A folding bike can be carried inside a commuter bus and placed beside an office worker's desk so it can't be stolen. An e-bike can have 30 mile range but an office might prohibit batteries inside
There is no cooling. There was never a large market in the first place. And with the possible new administration saying, "drill baby drill", the market will drop to beat zero along with all infrastructure required. Hybrid technology is currently the best alternative. Battery technology is not ready.
If everyone drove a reasonable size hybrid car, fuel consumption would drop by 2/3rds and fuel prices would go below $1.
It’ll be interesting to watch legacy auto companies go out of business from being behind in the EV race.
Those 4 manufacturers are producing overpriced EVs, no wonder they are forced to scale back. When Tesla can profitably manufacture and sell Model Y suvs then, except for the few die hard MB, BMW, Mini and Audi fans, people will buy Teslas that have better software interfaces, more storage space, a great charging network, longer ranges with smaller batteries and cost less. Legacy automakers will keep on struggling to make their EV lines profitable.
People want hybrids seems to be the case.
It’s not EV’s, it’s legacy auto EV’s.
EPA may lose its teeth (due to recent Supreme Court findings). If "requirements" by the EPA evaporate, the landscape for EV's, PHEV's, hybrids, and Ice may cause a wild west show for OEM's. This will be fun to watch.
The EPA can go to hell for all I care 😀
It’s weird the governments want us to jump to EVs, skipping over Hybrids and PHEVs. EV tech just isn’t there to make it viable for every type of cars, I’m all environments and uses (cold weather, off reading, trucks, etc.).
Companies and the gov should focus and optimizing hybrids, then PHEVs, then EVs, also for those hybrids take the pressure off emissions and junk so we can get some sweet V6 hybrids sedans (ideally wagons and sport backs.
You are logical, your government is ideological.
Hey guys, let’s create an electric car that has lousy range, a poor charging network and costs 15000 more than its gas counterpart. Whoever had that idea should be fired.
honda need to reinvent ICE and hybrid.
They vowed to go all EV by 2030
They lied
Thank god 🙏
Toyota is standing there looking at the other brands with a grin on their face like “I told y’all 💪🏽😏”
But yeah, they got to get their 💩 together with their truck line up
Totally agree about Lexus changing strategy - unless they can produce vehicles with 700 mile range that aren’t behemoths
Ev demand isn't down as they all specify, its because of overpriced junk they made.
Nope. It's down. Far fewer fools left to buy them...
I'm hoping automakers will also start to realize people still want physical buttons for basic controls and no passenger screens on the dash...
My biggest issue with EV's is charging even for everyday commuting as an apartment dweller, the infrastructure is also very weak in my area. Even a Tesla superchargers there's only 2 in a 30 radius and my closest one is over 10 miles away and the same from my job. They are perfect for a retired person or someone who lives in town and doesn't road trip much or has a gas vehicle they can take. The latter is most common in my area since they may have multiple children and need a larger gas vehicle still.
Thanks for the news Kirk. Sad to hear. I leased a BZ4X two months ago and just purchased a 2024 Venza. Your review helped a lot on choosing the Venza XLE trim. I have had a Camry Hybrid for over 10 years and a Prius for 7. The BZ4X is the smoothest car I’ve ever driven and makes the Venza so clunky. EVs are coming and the future, but more slowly than anticipated. Not too surprising as the world, especially US, were so slow to adopt hybrids too
EV’s were never going to work fully. Range and charging, batteries are expensive since to replace, batteries are volatile. There needs to be a clean energy alternative that isn’t limiting like battery electric.
There is not enough lithium, cobalt in the world to make all the batteries to replace most ICE vehicles. It's a fantasy....
I 100% prefer gas; however, my issue with EV’s isn’t simply “I hate all things electric.” I hate the lack of creativity/variation with electrified vehicles today. It seems to be either “let’s see just how ridiculously fast we can make this” or “let’s build a boring efficient soulless appliance.” Of course there are some middle ground options and my knowledge may be limited, but I miss when things like the V6 Accord Hybrid and CR-Z were produced. I guess the closest would be the Hybrids that Kia/Hyundai made that still used conventional automatics.
The rest of the car is important. You're right, they take the soul out of the car with not only removing the ICE power plant but also sterilizing the inside of the car to the point it feels like a doctors office. Who wants to spend 1000's of hours in a doctors office?
We control the market, yes us common folks. Use your money as a vote, don’t spend it where you don’t like and voice your thoughts and change peoples minds!
That’s what happens when the Chevron Plan gets overturned. Gas vehicles are here to stay!!
I think the nearest thing to a "green" future in the next 2 decades is biofuels, like ethanol and bio-diesel. Maybe in the future we'll move to hydrogen, but if governments want to push the whole idea of "green vehicles", then renewable fuel is the future
We have already gone thru this phase of biofuels, two decades ago. Growing fuels doesn't work, it takes more energy to grow fuel than energy the grown fuel produces. For example, 10units of energy was used to produce 8units of energy. The reason why it was even workable to begin with is subsidies. All the eco folks that were doing biodiesel then have all abandoned that and moved over to EVs. EVs is still the future but is still currently limited with batteries. Once battery gets better is when EVs will be come mainstream.
@@DaBinChe "moved over to EVs" while clearly everyone is moving away from EVs because it's not the future or sustainable. There is an insanely limited amount of materials for batteries, even just Lithium if you ignore the rest, and less than 5% of Lithium batteries are recycled world wide. If we keep the 5%, then we have maybe 2 decades of Lithium. If we recycle all of it, then we have until the 2090s, but we will run through the world wide supply by the end of the century because materials can only be reused so many times before its life is used. EVs are a temporary future, which is why I did say "maybe in the future we'll move to hydrogen." Biofuels are a possible short term future to make governments feel like they did something special in their utter failure of forcing EVs world wide
@@ezioahmet4192 Everyone isn't 'moving away' from EVs. The world's largest market certainly isn't.
@@ezioahmet4192 biofuel folks were a fringe there are WAY more EV users than bio fuel user ever was so calling EV a fringe would be calling biofuel an anomaly. Who says we will be stuck on Lithium forever??? As I said batteries are limited now and that is the hold up to wide EV adoption, once batteries tech gets better it'll be EV all the way. Same thing was said with the horse less carriage when it first came out, most folks at the time did not see it replacing horses, look at us now. You have the same mentality as those folks about their horses. The ICE took time to develop so will batteries for EVs. Speaking of limited resources, there is also a limited amount of oil so we have to move away from it sooner or later. Hydrogen just like biofuel requires more energy to produce than energy it generates. Oil works cause it generates more energy than it takes to produce. One reason why battery EVs are so good is that it is 90+% efficient compared to ICE only being 30ish% efficient. There is minimal lost thru heat with battery EVs unlike ICE where most of the energy is lost as heat. To be able to be sustainable we need better efficiency and this is where EVs come in.
whenever govt tells us something is a good idea it's guaranteed not to be.
Yeah, the manufacturers WANT 80% EV sales by 2035. Hey, manufacturers, I don't care what you want. Did you ever think of consulting US ,,, YOUR CUSTOMERS?? How about considering what WE want? I just bought an ice Toyota so it will be 2 or 3 decades before I consider another car.
It's the government, not manufacturures.
The video narrator said it was the manufacturers ... was he wrong?
the main points are there are such less models and options of those affordable EV.... 😒😒😒😒😒
A Yaris for me. The long-term reliability and simplicity of Yaris beats any potential hybrid savings. Toyota no longer sells Yaris in U.S., but a used Yaris beats any new EV in long-term reliability.
If EV batteries were the size of weekend luggage and the same for different vehicles and very reliable used then a beater EV market could evolve. Most Americans buy used cars because gasoline cars can last 20+ years
I wonder who has been saying this for years now!🤔
oh gee what a surprise, I said this 2 over years ago that it would die before it really got started, but no, people are so gullible.
Gas is more proven than ev😂
I’ll continue driving my 2006 Lexus until the wheels fall off before I buy electric.
I've been through two disruptions in different markets - and what we see in automotive is typical for disruptions: the new tech doesn't reach the expected sales/profits resulting in uncertainties, some manufacturers falling back to the old tech with investments to hybrids and ICEs. Meanwhile, an increasing number of large cities will curb ICE&hybrids from entering the cities limits or centers to protect people from toxic fumes. Last one joining is Stockholm. Who will buy a vehicle which won't be allowed driving where you want to go? For Europe, I predict a 70-80% share of EVs with new registrations in 2030, despite all the hesitation by the manufacturers.
Look, the poor quality of public DC chargers has become a huge problem. Now you wonder if Nissan has decided to delay the phaseout of the current Sentra and Versa (neé Almera) models and instead put in new engines into both models to extend their usable sales life until at least 2030.
We aren't ready yet for EV
speak for yourself
@@nehtals Until takes more than and hour to recharge for maybe 400 miles in EV.. an most of them use electricity made by fosil fuel. So we're ready my friend
@@nehtalswe speak for the enegy grid.
Please show a chart or graph of how EV sales have have changed month to month or quarter to quarter.
Too many media say ev sales are "slowing" when they are actually growing. Just not growing as fast as in the past.
Exactly new car sales are down for all cars, but actual real factual numbers show EV's sales are up year over year...but nobody here wants to acknowledge that...
After experiencing 120° in Las Vegas, crushing the old record by a mile and the hottest July in History. I'm leaving for a cooler climate in 2 weeks, but others might not be able to just pull up stakes. I believe and have for a long time that HYBRID is the way to go. When bloggers are all doing 0-60 on every other site, people are programmed that acceleration is the primary metric. We need to judge cars for handling, not just speed.
In order to have EV supersede ICE, fix these Physics and Finance problem first:
1. Supercharge station in all kinds of existing gas station under 30 min (ie. no need to wait in line)
2. Quick charge at 110V home from 0% - 80% in under 2 hours.
3. Electric bill will not skyrocket and ALL families will get gov subsides
4. $25k base trim price point and $35k for top trim for Sedan (No BS monthly subscription needed).
5. At minimum 380 miles range whereas weather and AC usage will never affect the range
6. Battery can last at least 10-12 years and battery replacement cost cannot be above $5k.
Look I'm not an EV fan boy, but the reason the huge losses are happening with EVs is simple.
Developing an entirely new propulsion system and platform requires huge investments. To recoup that you need to spread it out over as many vehicles as you can. Ford didn't do that. GM has been way too slow rolling out Ultium. Then we had an artificial price spikes during COVID. Those EVs that came out then were way overpriced but their true value remains way less. Why wasn't Hyundai Kia mentioned in this piece? Because they created a platform to be used across several models and instead of one car on its unique platform, you 5 or 6. Economies of scale. I hate Musk as much as the next guy but the fact is Tesla sells more vehicles than Mercedes and BMW combined. This is no different than when Ford and GM tried to go diesel in the 80s. They hype it up, there's initially interest, it dies down but there remains a solid albeit smaller market for the unique powertrain. We are car guys, there is no plot afoot. The ZR1 has 1000 HP V8. The Mustang has a 500HP V8. BEVs are great for a specific market. If that's not you buy what you want.
Finally someone who gets it. Facts!
Sorry man but I'll stick with my ICE for ever. going all EV just doesn't make sense, 2030 not gonna happen.
A lot of issues with BEV is the limitations created by batteries (cost, weight, charging time and by corollary to that design to get range due to cost, weight and charging time).
Toyota/Lexus strategy/prediction is predicated on that having a change due to solid state batteries reaching vehicles.
I think it's right if they were right about the arrival of such a tech however historical this sort of disruption, while inevitable, takes much longer to materialize (think LEDs: blue LED were discovered in the mid 1990's, OLED in the late 1990's but widespread adoption of LED backlighting not until a decade later, similar with signal lights, OLED displays only in the last 5 years, we are still going through the transition to LED lighting. So wha should have taken 5 years in paper took about 25. Expect something similar with SSB.
You should tell ic truck buyers how much $$$ added to sticker to that carbon tax to build a v8
I count paper plates that I see every morning when I bring my kid to school. I see more EVs with white plates than gas cars
Please do a breakdown on how Ford is loosing $50k on each EV.
And how much Ford loses the first couple of years on a total refresh on an Explorer.
Should range double or triple, charging time and an assortment of charging infrastructure must become ubiquitous for ev's to be accepted by the majority of the market. Who wants to buy a car that can't be driven when and where we want it to?
I won’t buy an EV, I lease them. I don’t drive an EV because the government tells me I should. I don’t drive an EV to save the planet or make a political statement. I don’t drive an EV to save money on fuel. My insurance rates are the same for a comparably priced ice vehicle. I drive an EV because I like driving a quiet car with instant torque. I like driving an EV so I wake up to a full “tank” every morning. I like not having to stand in kitty litter because someone overfilled their tank. I like not having my hands smell like gasoline. I like not having to worry about my credit card getting skimmed. I like not having to go inside to get my receipt when the “see cashier for receipt” pops up on the screen. EV’s are not for everyone. We take my wife’s ice vehicle if we are going somewhere that would require me to DC fast-charge more than twice. If you want to drive a diesel F-250, with dual exhaust stacks coming up through the bed, while riding on a 12” lift, enjoy it. Some people drive an EV simply because they like to.
Misrepresentation: there is not EV mandates , they are emission mandates. As long as the EV products compared to Tesla and Lucid are consuming 20% more then what "traditional" car makers are offering they are not competitive. Yes overall market impact from the high interest rates cannot be neglected. Overall sales are down.
Battery cars are the dumbest thing since last time they did battery cars like 140 years ago
Why?
@@vancity2349 Try selling a 10yr old car with a dead battery. Case closed.
@@riseabove3082 There are Tesla's on the road with over 1,000,000 miles and original batteries...
@vancity2349 how many Teslas made it to 1 million miles and in what amount of time? you can't really slow down the natural way that batteries degrade over time, so if you get 1 million miles as fast as possible, its not the same as a 20 year old engine still starting. Lets see a 20 year old battery start
@@NormalCleanCars Not many but they are there which the haters wont acknowledge.
Average miles driver per year in the US is 14,263. 200,000 miles equates to approx 14yrs. So that battery degradation works out too 0.86% per year for 14 yrs which is incredible. Props to Tesla for amazing engineering.
Why don't they just keep hybrids and make the hybrid batteries larger. Or go with plug in hybrids.
Because at the end of the day, most people don't charge them and only put gas in them and drive them like gas vehicles, which just means they are heavier, less efficient ICE vehicles.
@@Treaxvour they go into hybrid mode when the ev battery is not charged. and you can always charge them while driving at highway speeds.
Purchasing an EV is the moral choice if you are able to have an at home charger and are looking to spend a lot of money on a luxary car
Moral choice? I think not. The brain-washed sheep choice more like. Future generations will look back and laugh at how we stupid people drank the Cool-Aid, believing this anti-carbon 'global heating' nonsense and so sealed the fate of the western '1st world' empire - actually accelerating the destruction of our economies and standard of living. Great job people 👏
I continue to enjoy your content. Very balanced, very fair. Its easy to dunk on EVs right now and rightly so. But the naunce with hybrids and the suefsce leval global market at play in China and the US does make me pick a side, it makes me want to ask questions and learn more. And as I learn more, I enjoy this hobby more, regardless of powertrains.
I have a beloved 2018 Audi S6 that is approaching 75K miles. Most enjoyable (and most expensive to maintain) car I have owned, and at 72, that is a bunch. It is getting up there in the danger zone for accelerating expenses and sadly there is nothing on the market that I think I would enjoy as much that I could commit the dollars to. Will be looking forward to your review of the awesome S8. There must be enough oil company executives, software engineers, etc. that can handle spending $150K on a car.
I literally bought a 2024 Camry, just because the 2025 Camry were all hybrids. Nothing against hubrids, but i wanted to hear and feel the gas engine and gears shift...not that fake humming sound. 😊
Wait until Govt stops trying to stabilize gas prices , and it goes past $4 avg nationwide. Then EVs will be back in vogue.
2030 full EVs?? Maybe if they can charge to 80% in 5 minutes!!! Solid state batteries?? Can’t wait but cost does come into that for us common folks !!
I thinkToyota is losing market share in Thailand because they don't make competitive EVs.
All hail Toyota!!🫡🫡
The problem IMO is that people want an EV (or any car, really) to be reliable (Tesla isn't), affordable, quicker and easier to charge and insurable. Once some of these problems are solved, there will be greater adoption. But the only way there is through the problems. And given the option, most companies wont until theyre forced by market conditions. Well, guess who's working on these problems?... the chinese.
PHEV. Most Americans drive far less (per day) than present batteries offer in the way of power....30-40 miles.....Avoid filling up more than once a month or even a quarter! Its time. Produce FAR more phev's. Americans will buy them.
I love my 2024 Subaru SOLTERRA. Range is great for my daily 200miles. It has been averaging 4.3 miles per kWh. After 4,000 miles my range has been consistently 274miles. I charge it overnight in my garage. I was out camping and then a storm with torrential rain, small hail and lightning hit. Only way out was downhill in mud with rapidly moving water and “Cosmo” my 2024 SOLTERRA laughed at the little storm and got me out with ease.
I also have a 1991 na Miata with a removable hardtop, 5speed manual, lsd and it’s a blast to drive around Colorado mountain roads.
So I would like both options please.
I think what happens is that CEOs want to keep their stock values high. These EV claims were probably first made when EVs were in fashion. But I don't think the CEOs ever intended to do it. The first chance they get to announce they are backtracking, and their stock won't go down, they do it. But they never were in the first place. The real problem for these companies is that China can make EVs. And they can take over a lot of countries with cheap EVs. In my opinion, Toyota and others should get serious about EVs since they won't be able to hide behind tariff walls in Europe and the U.S. forever. They are already feeling the sting from EVs in other places. The worst thing they can do is to build a gas, hybrid, and BEV option, since putting batteries in an ICE car will not compete against China who are building from the ground up EVs.
I want hybrid and plug-in hybrids instead for now
EVs are for the DL dudes. Go ahead fellas buy one we know.
New tech always has hiccups, but auto sales have been down across the board, so why focus on one segment? Anyway, EVs have gotten progressively better, and will continue to do so. You can't say that about ICE, the tech is too mature to do much more, and hibrids are more ICE than EV. I remember people saying that they would NEVER buy a cell phone, then they would NEVER buy a smart phone. Yeah.... right. What is going on now, is mainly that serious EV manufacturer wannabes are starting to see what they will have to compete with (much of which is now made in China) and so they are re-tooling to be able to do so. They have not "given up" on EVs at all.
Well I do agree that the electric vehicle infrastructure and current offerings does need to upgrade in quality and come down in price, I find it hard to believe that it's all entirely costs related when I'm seeing people willing to plop down $80,000 on a brand new diesel pickup truck, or 40 to 50 Grand on a brand new Challenger or charger. What that tells me is that a lot of people don't give two shits about the repercussions of their actions, and don't take the global warming situation seriously..... Until it affects them personally, in which then they'll blame it on the government for "not warning them enough". In short, the consumer wants to have its cake and fuck it too. And in the event any consequences come up in the end, they want to run and cry and play victim, while demanding that someone else do something to fix the situation in an unrealistic way after it's already weird its ugly head.
Imagine buying a car that costs significantly more to purchase and insure while getting less range with an energy source far less dependable and worse for the environment and then calling that progress. All in the name of fixing an environmental issue that doesn’t actually exist. Thats a perfect democrat lie.
Precisely
Too expensive and no lasting return.
lasting return? All cars deprecate
Good job!
You got to make another clip about hyundai Kia and Tesla!
Wish you'd also add some thoughts on other markets and the implication (Europe, Asia)
I am from Europe and not everyone here really wants to go towards EV, but as you said the regulation force them down our throat, but there seems to be some resistance coming up. maybe the ICE ban will be postponed....
11:22 "VW wants to invest in more PHEVs" - THEN WHERE'S THAT AWESOME GOLF GTE IN THE STATES? We need to lobby Congress to allow us to import whatever we want **as long as it's not sold here by the manufacturer** to keep it fair to dealers and so people that won't ever own a SUV or pickup truck has a wider choice in decent small vehicles without waiting their whole lives to import one.
I dont mind other people driving EVs, as long as I am not an EV owner or told/forced to be owner of one.
Good news!
I said it since day one, ev it's too political, and the infrastructure and technology are not ready for it.
Why does buick even exist at this point??? They should go with pontiac, and pontiac is cooler than buick
China.
Big facts.
It will be 2040 when EVs hit 40 % of new car sales. 55% hybrid 5% ICE
Protectionist government policies will retard EV adoption for as long as they are in place.
Hybrid and E-Power should be the way forward. Forget about EV for now. I don't know why Nissan USA is sleeping on themselves with E-Power. At least the 2025 Kicks should have been E-Power.
Hybrids or Hydrogen combustion engines. Like the ones smaller manufacturers are building using LS style engines.
GOOD.
It's economies of scale leading to a competitive price. Charge +$29k for the same sized vehicle, and the juice isn't worth the sqeeze. Get the price below ICE cars, and a lot more people will sign on the dotted line.
I just want a basic, easy to fix car. Preferably good on gas.
Solar panels and a type of vehicle you can charge is on average a very good idea for people that don't drive a lot. But seen as the things they have to do for the batteries and those vehicles burning and a 100 more points. Not sure its good to have them on mass on the road. Best do hybrid, hydrogen or something new.
EVs should compete with other cars on their own merits. Manufacturers are making half hearted poorly designed vehicles that happen to be electric. If electric is the future then companies that refuse to make them will lose the market. Let the market decide what is best or it will bite you.
I want an alcohol electric hybrid with an batteries and an easily removable alcohol generator
I’d consider hydrogen before EV. Have a RAV4 prime now.
Hydrogen for cars that hilarious...do you want to be part of the Toyota Murai lawsuit?
Why? Because it take 30 minutes to fast charge an EV? I have never seen a hydrogen fuel station in my entire life!
@@nehtals Toyota sold 10M cars last year, 2800 were Murai's...say no more
@@nehtals because I like to help Kirk get more comments 😂yall get so defensive it’s hilarious
I told you so.
5 years from now “we’ll be fully EV by 2040, 10 years from now “we’ll be fully EV by 2050… and so on .. 😂